How Powerful Would Ace Be If He Survived?
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Fun fact: ace actually had basic armament and observation haki. He unlocked them in the ace novel while fighting a vice Admiral
Manga readers and anime watchers are weird when it comes to canon man I tell ya
Ya people forget that haki was a thing already since before skypiea, but Oda either didn't know how he wanted to portray it(which I heavily doubt since he was able to portray it perfectly immediately after timeskip which is btw only 3 weks after a lil break oda had around 2010) or that luffy at the time couldn't see it so we shouldn't be able to either.
Ace had future sight confirmed by newgate in the Ace novel thatch was his guiding hand in learning it
@@BlaxkSunFactss Ace novel canon to the anime
@@Snoozy96 I love ace he had so much potential
Imagine if Ace's flame turns blue after awakening
Ultraviolet would be the hottest. So maybe that's the color of the pirate king?
Me too I will look like marco
He’d possibly be white like luffy.
How can fire be white? White is special to Luffy
@@sniffingminorsFire can glow white
correct me if I am wrong, white beard was actually protecting ace by taking him in his crew from the world government, white beard already knew that ace was roger's son. If ace didn't join white beard pirates, the admirals would be after him, he refused to join the warlords, and because of Roger, he would be chased by the entire world government,so by becoming a member of white beard pirates he was protected under his name
btw ace is my favourite character followed by zoro
I think the government only found out when he got captured because they offered him a seat on the warlords
Whitebeard wanted to slowly mature ace, and give him to place of pirate king slowly. most cases, you'd need to go to extremes to reach Yonko lvl / pirate king level(which is what he was already doing/ what luiffy is doing) and since you put yourself at risk, whitebeard was definitely taking his time developing his skills, but that would make it a slow process.
You correct buddy
The funny thing is I always thought of the reason author killed Ace was because Whitebeard had to die for the story to progress. And with Whitebeard death there is no viable story route for Ace to live because he as a character is kind of under developed at that time.
Idk how the world govt knows about him being Roger's son, I always thought that Blackbeard told them
If Emperor Ace gathered a full crew
Name - Spade Pirates
Yonko - Ace
Wings - Jinbei/ Yamato
- Little Oars Jr ( Cuz Ace made a hat for him??)
- Bartolomeu (It’s obvious he would have been Ace’s fan if he didn’t join WB pirates and continued being himself)
-Pedro, He wanted to follow Rogers but i believe his son wouldn’t be bad choice.
- Aokiji, Cuz he would be spying a Yonko with a D but will end up liking him instead and eventually will be loyal to him.
- Viola, Cuz Ace will save Dressrosa instead cuz Law will find him before luffy to attack Doffy and Viola, her devil fruit will make her great navigator + she is 😍. And ace will go “oreno nakama da?”
-Hiyori - Everyone needs a good musician in the crew isn’t it? And she might wanna explore the sea just like her parents?
- Denjiro - Princess Hiyori needs to have a bodyguard and a swordsman is missing from the crew.
- And his own mates ( dont worry, there would be HUGE ship, We have room for Little Oars Jr, Remember?)
WHO DO YOU GUYS WANNA ADD HERE?
Aokiji wouldn’t be a wing?
I think Luffy and Ace would just arrive at Laugh Tale together and duke it out one on one there. That's more believable than the Davy Back Fight scenario.
One single Davy Back Fight between both crews: Ace & Luffy fight each other with Sea Stone bracelets nullifying their powers. Ace would definitely want to see if Luffy is stronger and Luffy would definitely want to fight Ace in a "fair" fight
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I can see Luffy, Ace and Sabo happily reuniting after so many years.
Just ya imagination.
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Mqybe just this timeline its gons be. Just luffy sabo dies
Bc
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If ace never joined whitebeard, sure he might get a lot stronger, but he will definitely die faster. This man is always going to dangerous places. If anything, whitebeard preserved ace's life.
Dw Ace has plot armor, he’s basically the MC of One Piece if Luffys out of the story
@@scaryramling1845 plot armour? The armour that helped him turn onto a donut?
@@boomerana. Shit well Roger was able to live that long, and imo it was Luffys plot armor that killed off Ace, since Ace would’ve been fine if he didn’t step in to shield Luffy, and I also said that without Luffy Ace would be the MC since he had his own novel and everything, and he also has Good DF, Conquerors, OP Bloodline, he had all the requirements to be a MC like Luffy
@@scaryramling1845 true about Ace being MC part but his plot armour is pretty trash. Went to chase after blackbeard and ended up imprisoned by the marines who found out his bloodline. Mother died because of his amazing plot armour. His armour was so powerful that his father, the great pirate king, was unable to even see him.
@@boomerana. Yeah him dying was part of the plot
Same reason why Jiraiya had to die
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What if bonnie made rayleigh young?
Rayleigh will not accept it
But yeah what if he accepted (idea for next video)
From what I have gathered WB never intended to return from Marineford, he was ready to let Marco and Ace take the reins of the crew - and he wanted to go out with a bang before letting his crew see him truly weak.
Sabos memory would eventually return, Dragon is Luffys father and sooner or later they would meet - and I think that would be enough to trigger shit.
3D2Y really depends on how was Ace saved, if Shanks came a bit earlier and saved them both - Luffy and Ace could figure out they are not strong enough and could both train with Rayleight (Ace as he wouldnt now be capitan/first mate of a crew that basically has a huge target on their back with WB dead and Luffy because he saw that he is basically a fodder for top tier fighters). I am sure Rayleight would be more than happy to take son of Roger into his care, considering how much Roger had influence on his life Ace is basically his nephew.
I think much would change still, even if Luffy would train with Rayleight either way - he would not have this pain and desperation to get this much stronger - so it is possible that he is considerably weaker now. I am not sure what happens to reamining WB pirates vs blackbeard pirates war, maybe it never happens and thus WB pirates never go into hiding. Garp was furious when Ace died and I am guessing that made him retire (I adming my memory is getting bit fuzzy) - so maybe he still doesnt retire if Ace is alive and can be called a traitor because he just stood and watched how Marines lose the war (while he still is one of their greatest weapons) and because of his relations to Luffy (who is seen as a person who freed Ace, thus is seen as much of a problem as Yonkos),.....
I cant even get to the bottom of how many small things change, that was a battle that certainly marked an era of OPverse - and it was stated from the start that who wins that battle is justice. And outcome of that battle was basically:
Ace dies - Marines win
Ace lives- WB fleet wins
Who knows how many small things would change, maybe Akainu doesnt become fleet admiral as Marines start to understand that they are not that much stronger than Yonko crews and that while that holds true "Absolute justice" cant work, if Ace is alive when Shanks comes to Marineford, it is entirely possible that Shanks just helps WB crew in fight and they go on to ruin Marines which leads to BB never getting WBs fruit,........
Possibilities are basically limitless
Wow the Whole essay you have to much time
yeah i have too much time like 5 sec of c/p[copypaste from my save notes]@@Theguywhieditz
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I Imagine has devil fruit awakening turning his flames blue, making them hotter than magma. Imagine if this happens to sabo.
Wow really good idea, I like it.
That's actually pretty good idea
blue would be cool
Broo actually strawhats still get a time skip even if there is no Marine fort arc cuz they were sent to diffrent places by kuma before luffy even knowing about ace execution and kuma even stated the direction of luffy to Raleigh soo there might be some delay in finding luffy but eventually timeskip is for sure which means after time skip ace teams up with really a strong 9 men team since jimbe will not join this time soo untill dresrosa if consider the same we get alience of luffy law momo kid and ace and this time it will way to easy to deaft kaido
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It would’ve been way more interesting if u just started with “if ace survived marineford”
Instead of Nico Robin, Ace could've maybe recruited Charlotte Pudding, Im pretty sure she can read the Poneglyphs, thats why Teach kidnapped her.
Pudding would probably have to awaken her 3rd eye. Fact check me cause I have no idea.
@@PixelPirates-FF She doesn’t need to I believe.
(VIDEO SUGGESTIONS) what if Luffy was inspired to be a pirate by Blackbeard instead of shanks? and what if Shanks, Blackbeard, and Buggy, were still on the same crew?
You mean shanks and buggy?
I am not going to watch any new Japanese anime , USA TV-series or movies until One Piece Episode 1089 is released in sub with Netflix. Bye new Animes, Movies and TV-Series! I am going to be as uninteractive as offline until you, KoL, Brago, Liam, Ohara and/or Sawyer release a video that has One Piece Episode 1089 in the title. I will not read the One Piece manga too until the final Chapter is released or Episode 1089 is released in any shape or size.
ACE actually knows about luffy's true goal so I seriously doubt that he would stand in his way....... They might make an alliance to fight for the final road polyniff together...or Nico robin's help or something else
Sadly akainu unleashed aces full potential as a pastry😢
Katakuri: ...the forbidden donut!
Saying Ace would defeat Whitebeard is basically saying that Ace at that point would be far stronger than any Admiral
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Ace is so popular and he has good story too. He is my on eof the favourite character. He would have been at least yonko or near yonko character because of his geins of pirate king and df.
He is my fav character in one piece. Luffy and his back story the dynamics are just too good
@@homunculus6410 yesh
Katakuri: ooh a donut
Luffy: why are you eating my brother
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I didn't know there is a filler next week, I guess I rushed to act. Sorry for assuming that episode 1089 will not continue on TOEI animation.
Blackbeard also wouldn’t have his additions from Impel Down. If he never becomes a warlord he never gets that access. Marineford doesn’t give him the chance to use the chaos of the war. In fact if he does try Impel Down he might die at the wardens hands. It was Shiryu, who gave him the antidote to the poison. If Shiryu isn’t released he can’t help Blackbeard.
idea for a video: what if Nico Robin got captured by the navy but specifically the wg? We know that one of the gorosei, Ju Peter is obsessed about capturing Nico Robin, we don't know why, because he has a connection to Robin or whatsoever but the wg thinks of Robin as a huge threat because she can read poneglyphs and is pretty dangerous as an individual. So im curious if Robin will just be placed on lvl 6 in impel down if they manage to capture her or if they will have an execution. Either way, the straw hats will bust there
I am so convinced that long ring long land is much more important than it seems, Oda doesn't just put things there for jokes only... I think it's possible that Blackbeard could choose to do a davy back fight against the strawhats for Robin instead of fighting them, after all he does tend to avoid a clash if he knows he can't win for sure
maybe but i don’t think Blackbeard really needs Robin since he kidnapped pudding already who could read poneglyphs, but then again Robin had already translated the other poneglyphs so maybe she’s useful for that
fun fact sanji would sooner realize that the strawhats still care for him. since ace exists meaning ace would help sanji realize sooner.
I don't think that Ace would steal a member of luffy's crew ,
Also devil fruits user cant enter laughtal ( except Luffy) cuz they get really sick
This is the most unlikely scenario you've ever made.
Ace is going to be stronger than he was when he was leading the second division of the Whitebeard Pirates? By himself?
Best way to make Ace stronger would be if Ace lied to Garp about wanting to become a Marine and get better training and learning the world better. Then he'd leave to become a Pirate, get the Flame Fruit, Ace Novels, but actually able to free Oden and have her join his crew. They constantly fight to get stronger, and decided to accept being a Warlord when he gets the invite and starts to look after Rogers old crew to train his own better.
@@joseguadalupemartineztorre9702 that makes sense receiving direct training from GARP and then heading out to sea at the same time he did originally.
@@maxlee8780 I think that Ace & Luffy being sons of Roger & Dragon were the main reasons he didn't want to train them, let alone stay with him. Pretty sure he could've gotten permission, or just ignored orders, to have them on his ship as he'd train them personally. I'm also pretty sure the Marines also had at least some teens forced to join by their parents for also wanting to be Pirates and the Navy just gave them the discipline to be better, so Ace & Luffy saying they're going to be Pirates wouldn't have been taken seriously
@joseguadalupemartineztorre9702 that makes no sense because he did train Luffy. And he said that children aren't responsible for their parents sins. And why would he treat his own grandson that way?
There is no reason why he couldn't train them more than he did. He would have been even more enthusiastic to train them.
@@maxlee8780 the only reason he trained Luffy is because IT'S HIS GRANDSON, same with him training Ace. He trained them enough that they could get stronger on their own, and Luffy enough to control his DF. Also, Sengoku has shown every single time that his loyalty is to the Marines, and was ready to fight Garp when he came up on the execution platform. Garps an active Marine, he'd definitely come across various Pirates, and the boys would definitely start a stowaway running gag, Luffy being the Undisputed MC Hostage, and Ace constantly running into danger. Again, knowing all the big shots in the WG, they'd start to question who the parents are and would definitely try to use them as examples to children of Pirates or bait for Dragon
W vid but whitebeard will still clap ace old whitebeard
Bro did not watch the Nebulandia arc...
ohara ace could and would have surpassed and be above all the yonko and possibly equal to his father and Luffy
what if sonic spawned in the strawhats' ship after brook's arc (what if sonic joined the strawhats.)
Don't forget that whitebeard was trying to make ace the pirate king. Even sengoku explains how ace was delusioned because it seems like to ace that hes the one trying to make wb be the king but in reality, whitebeard has been trying to make ace the pirate king which is why he goes so far as to even risk his life to "Save" ace
I think a better point in "time" to start that hipotesis is if Ace met Rayleigh at Shabody (unlike the light noble, in which ace is off to have fun while Duece going to coat the ship), and he (Reyleigh) told him what Roger was really like and the resson why he left him (Ace) behind.
Ace denies it, but after hearing from Yamato in Onigashima that his father and Luffy has the same dream, he understand that he need to get stronger so he can help Luffy to become the king.
Ace continues to meet Jimbe, after fighting for a few days with an endlless smile on their faces, they ecnolleging each other.
Jimbe teach Ace more about Haki, and they head back to Onigashima to free Yamato from his chains to make him their nakma. On Onigashima they face King the Wild Fire (vs Ace), Jack (vs Yamato), and Who's Who (vs Jimbe), after a rough win they flee Wano before Kaido is back.
In that point the Spade Pirates are super strong and recognazied crew.
After Kaido hears that Jimbe Ace with his shanenigans on Onigashima, Kaido move to attack Fishman Island.
Their he face WhiteBeard that came to protect his teritory.
WB & ACE Takeing down Kaido, and Ace is reconsized as a Yunko!
Wow I went really deep into it for a moment there😅🤣
It ended up amazing😁
Man I wish that was true 😢
I think that u missed Ace promise to Yamato (that he made before joining Whitebeard), I think that after Whitebeard death (in your plot) he would go to fight Kaido and fulfill his promise.
A second reason is you could have just had Ace join Luffy and have survived when White beard died being the pirate king does that mean that you have weeked maximum potential that is only a goal and title and it would have been more satisfying if he wanted Luffy to become the pirate king.
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also I have two theories and rumors option one Ace might have been cloned by vega Punk just like Stussy option two Ace had a child that he didn't know about the bloodline of Roger continues
Ace is undeniably the 🐐 🔥
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He not the goat but he is a pretty good character
A tasty meal ?
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@@thehevandragon Ayooo
Love that what ifs please do more like what if akinu was never born or ohara was mever destroyed or what if ace and luffy and sabo were the same age
WOW! a truly amazing video
super-duper-ace-in-one kewl!
A run on with Emporio Ivankov could have given us a glimpse at Portgas D. Anne (Gol D. Anne)
Ace was only a pirate for 3 years. Talk about cut short.
Another banger by the goat
Can you do if luffy had aces mero mero no mi
If you read the ace manga you would know that whitebeard was training ace (His commanders were at least). So no WB wasnt holding him back, rather was making him stronger.
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bro i think whitebeard would have won or he would be on equal footing with ace since during marine ford whitebeard had stage 50 cancer two donut holes and a heart attack with half of his face blown off and he was still clapping the admirals cheeks and also clapped blackbeard i think it would have been fair to say that whitebeard diseases had killed hich left ace really sad
Edit: Whitebeard already knew ace was rogers son and i think ace would also have a hard time handling marco since marco is a top tier fighter
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Love your videos and your stories and how you explain them but I have a question. When One Piece finished what would you do? Would you quit (pls don't) and what vids would you make?
He makes vids for other anime and manga too
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I dont see Ace being able to defeat Whitebeard… Blackbeard was about to get beat if it wasnt for Whitebeard suffering too much from damage of like 300 bullets and 100 cannon fire.
What would happen if Luffy ate Yonkos' Commander Devil Fruit
What happened to SABO then?
I wonder if we'll ever see the Davy Back Fight again in the series. Not my favorite concept, but would be neat to see it referenced again in a flashback.
Bro just said shanks for watching 😂😂😂 lol
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The man marked by flames is also another person
Bro called Ace aids at 6:48 💀
17:03 Afro luffy slams Ace
Ace was an interesting character. Because his potential was so much more than just commander of the Emperor Pirate. But, he couldn't achieve such a level of power because he settled with Whitebeard. He found his family and that's where he lost his Will to get stronger. I mean, he would have to get stronger but Will is something that affects the people of the One Piece world directly. Crocodile lost to Luffy because he lost his Will, Moria lost to Luffy because he lost his Will, and Golden Lion lost to Luffy because of his Will. The only person who didn't lose to Luffy based on his Will would be the main villain of the 3d2y movie. Because Haki is the manifestation of your Willpower. The entire purpose of introducing Haki was to let characters inflict their Will upon others. Why were the four emperors so strong? Why is Mihawk the world's greatest swordsman? Why are the admirals so freaking strong? Because they believe in themselves. They believe in their strength. Despite having disadvantages, they won't back down from a battle or use any cheap method to win. These people have confidence in their strength and their Haki will never get weaker. The same can't be said for Ace. His Will to become the next Pirate King disappeared the moment he joined Whitebeard Pirates, which effectively gave a huge blow to his Haki. He was still a monster with his devil fruit and Haki that he needed to use in the New World. But, there was no major improvement.
Sometimes, one person's death can motivate others to be stronger.
It is very safe to put Shanks equal to Blackbeard now. The anime made it more clear. Blackbeard has entered the OG yonko level in my opinion after yesterday. However Buggy will always be stack at Moria level for eternity to me. Anime onlys need to know Moria = Buggy.
Thinking that whitebeard never mentioned or taught ace armament or conquerors haki is ludicrous. Thinking that ace was in wano/grand line and never learned haki is ludicrous. Whitebeard would have been his silvers Raleigh meaning that a basic logia attack, even a magma one, would have had little effect.
Why is nobody talking about the wings and fire on the back of the warlords clone . They are clearly related with lunarions or maybe vegapunk has implemented DNA of lunarions on them.
how could ace with basic armament and observation haki with a pretty good logia fruit defeat whitebeard with a stronger devil fruit significantly better haki since he has advanced conqueror's haki as well as advanced armament ( I think) and whitebeard also has a supreme grade sword and significantly more experience fighting
imagine if ace and yamato had a child, WOULD BE ONE OF THE MOST Op characters BECAUSE the child would have the blood of roger and kaido
What if anyone and everyone can eat three devil fruits as long as it wasn't the same type.
So another words if you eat Logia, Zoan, and Paramecia. You'd be perfectly fine but if you eat two of the same type you would die.
So what devil fruit would be the best combinations and which crew members would eat them and how would that affect the story
I would love to see two versions of this one where their have eaten the original devil fruits in Canon and and two other devil fruits to compliment it.
And then they ate three different devil fruit that would be the best fit for each crew member for Straw Hat Pirates and you can make up any devil fruits that you think would be best for example like the game game fruit that allows you to live your life like a game.
Everything you saying is true because ace probably would have become king 🤴 of the pirates like luffy wants to but ace would have unlocked true powers of haki and unlocked his true powers of his devil fruit powers it would have been crazy if wano luffy and his crew meet wano ace there it would have been the wilderness fighting vs kaido
Also im happy ace died because half of this was just pure him being roger son there aint no way he was beating wb even if he was sick and he most def wasn’t beating kaido or big mom also he wouldn’t beat luffy in a 1v1 his haki is just too terrible to beat g5 on top of that the spade pirates are just pure fodder so people like katakuri queen and king would be in the fight against luffy and ace sanji and zoro wouldn’t be able to beat them because the whole cake arc with sanji never happened in this and zoro doesn’t train with mihawk and he doesn’t get enma to dmg kaido and beat king so luffy would have been eaten
I think you could just leave Ace alive and kill Whitebeard it could be cool seeing him as the “new captain” of the Whitebeard crew
there's a particular scene in one piece film red that reveals about the fingerland family, there's a scene where luffy said that Uta is related to shanks, the world government find about this info they said this,( even if she's related to nge fingerland family by blood) so they they foreshadow the existence of the fingerland family
This theory is dumb on so many levels. Ohara, please refrain yourself from concoting these stupid hypotheses and limit yourself to going on road trips with Cdawg and Joey.
Thia 100% would never have happened Ace was a great character but he was too reckless bro would be dead early on. Also without marineford blackbeard woulda never made it outta impel down so yeah no
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I don’t think Ace would beat luffy in a Davy back fight or a real fight while luffy has gear 5 yea ace might be strong but he doesn’t have the durability of kaido or big mom so luffy definitely wins this
At the age of 19 ace had 500 million bounty on him but at the age of 19 Luffy had 3 billion bounty on him prove me if I'm wrong
He doesn't have to take robin tho....if he fights Kaito he will definitely meet odens father and since the guy knows how to read and write poneglyphs...
i want reply please; oden could take a divine departure attack from gol roger at his prime and still ran like nothing happened to fight with roger that was before he learned to use conquer haki but after he got more powerful he was pretty much one shotted by kaido who is much weaker than roger and whitebeard even by bounty. How was this possible
If ace was still alive would he have awakened his fruit. I think his flames would be blue because blue flames are supposingly hotter than normal red.
Yamato would have went with Ace and they can read the Poneglyphs..... remember Yamato IS Oden
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What if the devil fruits did not have the water weakness what devil fruit would the straw hats have and how would it affect the story.
And of course the original devil fruits that the crew already had they would still have.
Ace would never reach his full potential bc he follows another. His dream was to make another person the greatest not himself so he would probably never reach a super high level of CoC
I ain't gon lie ace joining whiteboeard saved his life we know the marine knew a that point that he was Rogers son they woulve send an amiral on his ahh
Lol as if blackbeard will be able to kill whitebeard. Even if he does a sneak attack he aint getting tremor fruit. The whitebeard pirates are still a thing. Ace and whitebeard might be weakened but bb doesnt even have a strong crew. And even if he gets the fruit he definitely isnt making it out alive
Luffy would not give up ronin or any crew mate for anything honestly if Luffy lost he would keep his crewmate
Yoo i think u made a mistake sure this is ace's journey but do you really think ace would beat luffys plot amour and that nico robin would want to anyone else pirate king after what happen at enies lobby?
Ok. How the hell are the SPADE. Pirates beating the straw hats in those types of fights and such.
Because of this video i am happy ace died because i like the team up of kidd law and luffy also luffy vs katakuri and a whole and i mean whole lot of other fights that were necessary for luffy to develop as a pirate character and fighter
Ace the was always three times stronger than Luffy when the where kids and when the both started there adventures . So am assuming that if ace was still alive he would be three times stronger than current Luffy
Imagine having a whole gang pull up to come save you and you still die that’s crazy cuz you wanted to get your get back
Won't yamato join with ace i think s(he) knows the meaning of road ponegilph by read the dairy of the uden right?
Do you think Ace would've picked up Jimbei on his crew? Out of respect for him and everything?
what are you talking about, luffy didnt go into training because of marineford it was because of sabaody, he say "run away we cant win"
Ace is the flame god buttt Luffy be like :IM THE SUN GOD BETTA CYA SUCKKA
Didn’t this have a different thumbnail with ace having blue fire and punching kadio or am I thinking of something else
I'm sorry but I dont believe him beating whitebeard.He is just too much of a beast old and sick or not