Me too and not only that. I like the Adeptus Sororitas more then the Space Marines (I know hot take) but when I saw the canoness in the second or third edition codex I was hooked with the Battle Nuns. Their leaders who are literal Saints.
"We iz cuztodian cuz the gitz never said we woz not there. Zo me and the zogs we iz da bestest cuztodian. " Orks always were custodian. Because i beleive it.
I have been a commission painter for the past 20 years... Armies i have painted for female clients or sold to a female client. Necrons, four Eldar, painted one, one sold Sisters of battle, four, the one on my table currently will make five before the end of September. Nids, seven, did a 3000 point expansion on one of these armies earlier this year, mostly bio titains she had gotten ner hands on. Tau, two Orks, one painted, one sold Harlequins, three painted, one of these i was asked to match a paint scheme of the one troupe/star weaver she had painted herself, two sold This is all the same client... Daemons, tzeentch/slaanesh, one Daemons, tzeentch/nurgle, one slaanesh for aos, one The only... space marine "army"... was a gag for her husband... Two units of angry marines... he is an imperial fist player. The other space marine entry for a woman i have, is a dad that, ordered up his daughter's kill team painted up in my little pony character colors as part of a kill team birthday gift... hilariously i ended up painting up a warcry starter set for her as she "didn't want the spacemen"... i still swear he lost a bet and had them painted for himself and used his daughter as an excuse. Because those models have shown up at the game store... Ahhh friends...
@@johnwalton287 This is exclusively 40k, AOS, other GW games Unique female clients, 11 Unique Male clients 94 if we toss in other game systems/sculpts/canvas/board games the unique female clientele jumps to 19, and male clientele jumps to 113. Most prominent non gw games in the past 5 years for female clients, being malifaux and moonstone. I have done two asoiaf starter boxes as gifts for spouses that were later expanded upon. I have done a web warriors/a-force list for mcp, for one client. I have not seen this client playing mcp, but I have painted up 83 models for them. Most prominent non gw games for male clients over the past 5 years have been mcp, shatterpoint, battletech, asoiaf and conquest.
I think we all want to be welcoming and inclusive to others but it has to be done where appropriate to established lore or source material. KCD2 has had pushback for not representing minority's in the game when it's set in 13th century Bohemia, I mean come on get a grip, what diversity do they think existed in a landlocked eastern European kingdom that's situated in modern day Poland. Sympathy and understanding has limits n mines draining rapidly
They used the sister of silence for all the promotional material and released this a day before SM2 They know full well the community hates the retcon, they just don't care about the community.
Speak for yourself, there's a large majority of us who are laughing at all the people getting butthurt whilst we continue to paint our models. It's not a big deal, and people need to get over it.
@@feesh3096 Haven't watched the video and gone straight to the comments section to pick fights I see. The custodes reveal trailer from 4 moths ago after the initial retcon is at 80% dislike. You porn addicts are far from the majority
@@feesh3096 See this is exactly how we got to modern media being garbage. It's not the Female Custodes that's brewing chaos... It's the possibility of what comes after. They will now start using their own lore and characters as magnets for investors. With different Investors come different demands. And the lore changes according to business environments. Then the lore starts breaking apart like what happened to Star Wars. All for what? Ticking boxes?
“These men are my bodyguards, their lives forfeit to the guarantee of my physical safety. Of their loyalty to me there shall be no question nor doubt. I, and I alone, shall have the authority to stand in judgement over them. No other commander shall they have in battle nor in service. None shall bar them from me and none shall hamper or stall their mission. So it is decreed!” - The Emperor (Declaration made during the Age of Strife)
" Never 🛑STOP an Enemy from making a *_Mistake. "_* ~ Sun Tzu 🀄 ▶24:18 = Hey you better watch it, North: *_Warhammer~EXPLAINED_* is gonna come for you💥🔨 next
@@margaretwood152 The quote is "Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake" it's from Napoleon not Sun Tzu and he said it at Waterloo, which he lost.
Mixed sex military units have never been generally referred to as "Men" huh? LOTR and "The Race of Men" meant literally only the males? Come on, its not that hard.
I have no big stakes in this, because I neither collect custodes nor marines. But I can totally understand where people are comming from here. We have seen enough beloved franchises becomming a twisted mess in a vain effort to catch "modern audiences". Your solution sounds viable aswell. Dont play those folks, dont waste your time on them and find based people, who enjoy the hobby the way you do. And btw, your guest the other day was quite correct: 3D printing is there. I am a complete amateur in this field, and got my first printer this summer. And since then I have printed 90% of my stuff.You got to look into safety prodecures but it aint rocket science - quite the contrary. Anyways, I share your view 100% - we dont need this company anymore. If they dont stuff we like, we have ways to do our thing!
I like Vampire; the Masquerade. Life is pain. Current stewards just present a "safe edgy" image, while also tripping over themselves to apologize for even going that far. I haven't given them a penny. A shame because some of the rule changes aren't bad, it's the narrative that's mostly been destroyed.
Totally agree with you. And I have recently looked into FDM printing. The minis coming out of my Bambo A1 with 0.2mm nozzle look so great with little to no cleanup! not super duper crisp-great but they definetly have reached a level of detail GW had 15 years ago when I got into the hobby and thats absolutely *insane!* And it doesnt make any dirt, big noise or other maintenance issues usually connected with Resin. I think if this continues, FDM printing will be the true nail in the coffin for GW. Everybody can have it. Its super affordable. It can stand anywhere in any room. The material is super cheap. it has already reached a level of detail perfect for gamers and is likely to top that in the next couple of years.
Custodes should have never left Terra and should have never been in the game short of being one unit or one hq in an imperium army. the female custodes bit is just the final ring of the bell.
Hard agree. Obviously there are certain lore to tabletop exceptions we can make but seeing Custodes get bodied by normal factions on tabletop is a hard ask. It DOES happen. Like imagine reading a book where the tau park a few riptides and just blow away Custodes lol. This is coming from a tau player mind you.
Nah, I play them as an army, have since they came out. They are my first and only army, even after all this time. I would have never gotten into 40k if not for my golden boys.
"So we sent one custard girl whose literal job is guard the emperor waaaaaay off to antagonise some chapters into creating a useless barrier of dead worlds that any hive fleet would just zoom through upon detecting no sustenance." GW, Gooner Writers 2024
This. At last finally someone who sees it. Custodes never should have been their own army and should only have ever been 1 or 2 speical units that other Imperials can take as an ally. Everytime I point this out, Custodes fans seethe.
I was entirely neutral about Guilliman coming back but as a Dark Angels collector since the late 80s I was excited about the return of teh Lion. But then GW had Mike Brooks write the book so I refused to read it.
It was actually pretty good cause his politics aside he writes good Ork books and did a really good job with the Lion returned. I personally didn't notice any of his politics bleed into his novels.
@@skycommander2153 I thought it was mediocre: not a great story, but not the worst either. I think Brooks is overrated and don't care much for his novels, but to each his own.
I've been a female in the hobby 40k for over a decade. I do not like the direction GW is taking. I didn't even like the Primaris addition, I miss the old square and bulky aesthetic. I don't need representation and it's not what got me into 40k. I find the Raven Guard and Blood Angels super cool, it's my armies. I LOVE Dreadnoughts, they're my favorite unit. I just love them.
Always has been Throughout my experience within Warhammer 40k fandom, kits and lore. Games workshop always ruin the fun for most of the fans here, remember tts? Turns out game's workshop F him over even though he's probably the reason a good chunk of us were introduced to Warhammer, oh and the patches that could make the rulebook outdated, and those books are the same price if not more expensive than some combat patrol, doesn't make it better that games workshop has been continually increasing the kits prices every year. Other than that, the lore has always been F over, multiple retcons has happened before to made things a lot more logical, but the way they introduced female custodians was practically nonexistent, they really just said female custodian has always existed, which is probably why most fans were angry at them Remember, for those we cherish, we die in glory
As Fantasy old blood, I've been warning 40k fans for a few years now that they're heading for their own End Times event and AoS-style "sequel". The rolling out of the Primaris Marines and the gradual return of all the Primarchs are two of the biggest indicators of this trend. The misunderstanding with my warning, however, is that people tend to think that means it'll be a 1-1 repeat of the End Times, but it won't. GW learned for their past experience with the End Times, and has opted to roll out the 40k changes in a much more gradual and tested manner. It's imperative to understand that GW views the 40k setting, as it was, as "restrictive". They want to dismantle the existing framework to make a setting that's more open ended and flexible. By doing so, GW can do anything they want with their product - that could range from shoving in brain-dead politics, to making consumers rebuy their armies. This is what AoS was/ is, and this it what 40k 2.0 will be.
I don't disagree, but I think it's sad that GW would see 40k (and Fantasy) as restrictive because they both started out as very broad kitchen sink settings that were designed to be able to accommodate a wide variety of creature types and character types. 40k has to be one of the most well conceived wargame settings ever because damn near everyone has a reason to fight everyone else. It's an odd thing that companies with well developed, deep IPs with dedicated fanbases often seem to end up chaffing at the restrictions that places on them whilst companies with newer, less well developed IPs look on with envy. It's a grass is always greener mentality, the owners of an established IP crave freedom and the owners of new IPs crave the structure a developed IP provides. Regarding the Brain-dead politics, it seems that GW has lost interest in working with dystopias, especially a morally ambiguous, black on black one like 40k. They so desperately want Space Marines to be the heroes though. AOS was their first attempt at a more straight forwardly black and white setting where the good Stormcast had to fight the bad worshippers of Khorne but it did so poorly they had to inject some ambiguity back into the setting with the subsequent editions. Still not as much as 40k though.
@@Culexus101 Hard disagree. Fantasy itself was quite literally the most good vs evil Warhammer setting, even when considering AoS. Even early AoS had this ambiguity on who the good guys were that Old Fantasy lacked. Now if you're talking about post-6th edition Fantasy that introduced stuff like Bretonnian nobility taking 99% of their farmer's grain, then yeah, they grimdarked Fantasy by a lot at that point. But before that? It was by far the most good vs evil setting.
@@stephenjenkins7971 This is interesting to hear. Because I remember reading about this one incident in the lizardman army book. A bunch of high elves, who were supposed to be their staunch allies were butchered, because a slaan (One of the magical toad guys in charage of the lizardmen) read an ancient tablet and it said the high elves were not meant to be in the lizardman homelands yet. So the slaan had all the high elves butchered so it wouldn't conflict with the rules of his stone tablet of prophecy. Is this the sort of stuff that was added to the 6th and 5th editions of fantasy? Because my memory is a little bit fuzzy, but I remember joining the fantasy setting and building my whole army not to long before its demise and the end times fiasco went down.
@@Justacheese High Elves and Lizardmen were never "staunch allies". The Lizardmen considered the Asur to be bugs at most. They attacked anyone that got in their way; their goals just so happened to have aligned in the first Chaos Invasion so the Asur stayed out of their way and the Lizardmen stayed in Lustria for the most part. That being said, I don't recall if that was the idea behind the Lizardmen from the start, or that began at a certain Edition. So I can't really answer your question. I do recall a massive "grimdarking" of Fantasy in 6th Edition onwards, though. Like, the idea of Slaanesh eating up elven souls was introduced at that time, adopted from 40k. That being said, the End Times occurred in 8th Edition.
@stephenjenkins7971 I'd say post 6th and pre 4th, so 3rd ed. 80s Warhammer Fantasy was quite a grimdark setting compared to 90s WF. The Empire might be making a lot of technological and scientific progress, but it's still a place where superstition runs rampant. Where pissing off the wrong people, or just being unlucky, could get someone burnt as a Witch or Warlock even if they had no magical powers whatsoever.
The way I see this shit, is pretty much the same as they pulled in Comic books. Fake geek girl comes in, throws their shit all over the modeling table that everyone who was already in the store is at, working, and says "This sure is a great store... going to look even greater when we get rid of all of you and put up the pink My Little Pony curtains". The rest of the table full of boys and girls who were already the established patrons of the store, and are all quite tight all look at each other and say, "Who the hell are you? We've never even met you before".
"They want your thing, not their own thing" is literally the mindset of an unsocialized 2 year old child. Our societies are being increasingly run by selfish people who've never had any friends.
It’s the literal problem though and as much as you want to sneer at people that state this.. it’s the truth their not happy unless YOUR hobbies and things also represent them too because if it was about anything other than virtue signalling these idiots would actually support this stuff but as soon as the changes are made they drop rhetoric IP and move onto the next thing to ruin
Today I stumbled across a video which boiled down the argument to "representation matters", and went on to say that while male miniatures sold in the past due to the largest demographic wanting them, the more people can see themselves in every faction, the better. Comments disagreed with them.
I’d hope people want a cool setting rather than people who look like them or have the same genetails. I’m white, a white dude in Dynasty Warriors would suck if he’s supposed to be an indigenous Japanese warrior. I’m not like ‘hurr durr he looks like me’
Was it by chance called "Warhammers gender problem" by a guy named salamander? If so I saw part of it and saw his comments cooking him. So I think that's the same one. Yeah he barely knew what he was talking about, but to his credit I didn't watch the full thing.
i remember them defending this nonsense by saying that the lore "doesn't matter that much anyway!" or something along those lines. If they don't care about it, why should we?
Exactly. This is the same level of corporate stupidity that ruined Starwars. What made this especially egregious is the female custodes announcement came shortly after the Horus Heresy book series concluded.
If the community wasn't a bunch of spineless consoomers we would have boycotted the "eRa InDoMiTus" and we would have forced GW to make good lore to buy their shit.
If GW doesn't care about 40k lore, why should I? And it's the lore that keeps people shackled to 40k. It sure as shit isn't the actual ruleset. It's the imagery, the idea. In my group, many of us now play OPR with our 40k models, we're not buying the codexes and expansions. I'm seeing more printed models appear (though most have expansive "official" collections). The move away will take time to filter through because it's some individuals not buying a £40 set here and there rather than a sudden slam on the brakes where millions of people are suddenly spending nothing on the products every day (compare Bud Light). Time will tell whether the old guard moving away is enough - it's not like GW did much to keep us around anyway, it's probably factored in.
@@calebh373gw has spent 4 decades refining and improving the lore, female custodes is an egregious change, it adds nothing of value to already solid lore. The change isn’t even backed up by a figure release. It is the common practice of gw to change the lore to either improve the story and facilitate selling more figures or correct an inconsistency or mistake.
@@johnwalton287in in those 4 decades they have retconned Hughes swathes of the lore on a whim like the necrons, the end times, the original 13th black crusade, death of the squats and reintroduction of the votann, necrons pariahs and alot more. The fact is GW has always changed the lore on a whim the only difference is they failed to do it respectfully and just tried to gaslight the fans.
They should NEVER have been established as a standing army. Custodes, if anything, are an attachment or used in small doses. The rules and codex are a joke. You see them in a store, and no one wants to play them as an opponent. Overhyped, underperforming, and lame. Having 4 or 5 in an army, as a support element, gives you a tacticool advantage, and a small dose of kickass that give you an A for cool points, and gives you a solid standing support team that can take most comers.
The hatred and attack on men and what they enjoy for the last century has been destroyed or take. Away. And they have the gull to talk about sexism or toxicity
Personally, it always felt like GW was testing the waters to see what would happen. If the overall backlash wasn't massive (outside the normal gate keeper types). Then they would consider pushing this out to Space marines.
If they are going to do it, they need to introduce female space marines as a new thing. The Horus Heresy books alone make it impossible to pull an "always has been" with any level of believability.
@@calebh373 if GW didnt do "there have always been female custodies" and instead made it a brand new add on to the lore as some recent major breakthrough in genetic engineering to now allow female custodies to be a thing, i think it would have gone a lot better. Sure people would have grumbled about it but it wouldnt feel so forced. And given how GW handled female custodes i wouldnt be suprised if they do the same for space marines in general, or one or both of the missing primarchs coming back and being a woman, which would suck for those with custom marine chapters lore who use geneseed from a unknown primarch now made redundant. Either way introducing female marines is going to be messy no matter what way they get brought in.
I had a friend who shelved his Custodes army. It's just become a joke at this point that I don't even run into people playing Custodes in the store either. They didn't help sales by this foolish decision.
The thing is this won't be the end of it, I can see it a few steps down the road. They are trying to force this with the codex and now this, and they will try it again. Next thing they will release characters or new models that have some gross freak Custodes. Just wait, don't let them gaslight you, it's coming, that's the level they work at.
If you buy from resellers you're still supporting GW, since they still make money on every legit model that gets sold. Buy from recasters or buy from a 3d printer, if you really do need to have those specific things.
They should have left it as a setting and never turned it into some kind of soap opera. I had played 40k since Rogue Trader up until 5th ed, and I honestly preferred when the setting was vague, leaving us all wiggle room for our imaginations to fill in the rest. Im happy I have left GW products behind years ago and returned to other games I love and discovered new ones I am falling in love with. GW was NOT my starting point in the wargame hobby and it won't be my ending point. You are correct, my hobby is mine, it does not belong to GW.
In the 90s and 00s they were advancing the clock, just quite slowly. The Third War for Armageddon took place in M41.998, and the Eye of Terror Campaign from late 3rd took place in M41.999. If they had got to a point where one year of real time equalled one year of 40k time I think that could've been ok. We would now be in M42.024 and we'd have a whole tapestry of comparatively small stories to talk about, so even big events like the return of old Rowboat could be set against the backdrop of a galaxy that was still mostly just chugging along.
The NBA thing is funny, I know a lot of tall women. I'm 6'8" and my mother was a basketball player. Nearly all of the chicks I know who play amateur or semi-pro basketball, don't watch women's basketball. Maybe because they play it? But I tell you what they do watch they do watch, men's basketball. Whenever the Olympics is on or it's NBA season in the US they're endlessly discussing the men's games. It's the nature of the beast that Men's basketball requires players playing at the highest skill level in their field. And as these women, actually love the game, they want to see it being played at its absolute best. Obviously I can't speak for everyone, but I think if you watch sports, you are watching it for the love of the game (or you gamble). The thing is the people who are changing 40k and pay lip service to all of the nonsense that has come since 8th ed and onwards, don't love the lore or the game. They love Disney Star Wars or New Doctor Who, and want 40k to be that, not what it is.
The theory that makes the most sense to me is that this came from Amazon. The Custodes are the strongest humans in the imperium outside of the primarchs, and they wanted it to be a woman. Henry Cavill has a contractual stipulation that everything in the TV show must be correct according to the lore or he can veto it. To score an end-run around him, they changed the lore.
How does it benefit show? Why does something need to be changed to fit some random set of boxes? If I made blade white, people would skin me. So no, it's not gonna fly if the opposite is true, and if I have to change a character for no reason. So I'll ask again what does it ADD for the setting? Because it doesn't add ANYTHING making it pointless if not detrimental to a fans enjoyment because they're mucking around. It's not the gotcha question you think it is.@@bonkstrum9555
Unfortunately I cant go out and spend money on a few pints with my friends. 1. I dont drink anymore. 2. The closest friend lives 40 minutes away. He doesnt care at all about nerd hobbies and has too much going on in his life with his wife and kids. 3. All my warhammer friends live across the country in various locations. My hobby is primarily revolving around online discussion and youtube videos at this point. Ive come to the realization that table top gaming is pretty much a waste of time despite being the only recreation i have in my life. Ive been weighing the idea of selling my collection off and just quitting the hobby altogether. I dont even have guests that would see painted models on a shelf at this point.
I say, instead of buying genuine GW models from ebay to not give GW money (because the resellers need to buy their stuff from GW in the first place before they can resell it, so in a way GW still get our money), I reckon to have a real meaningful impact to GW is to go full on 3D printing and support proxy designers. that way we can totally vote with our own wallet, when GW starts to see the decline of their sales, and the rise of proxy / look-a-like designers
12.15 Thankyou!!! I have a 25k pt deathwatch force pretty much entirely made up of Firstborn marines as i found Primaris to be a lame addition to the lore. Slowly but surely they have grown on me admittedly. But i was more interested in a pushback against them within the narrative. As in firstborn, being extremely hesitant or even a primarch taking offence at their geneseed being worked on without their knowledge. And was bitterly disappointed that we got neither of those. Not to mention recent changes that made my collection pretty much redundant. And that change, brought on by vocal fans who do not collect deathwatch, is in direct conflict with GWs' recent 9th edition deathwatch lore. (Guilliman donated entire companies of "greyshields" to watch fortresses so that they could take offensive actions instead of stuck running small killteams. GW has done a 180° turn on that lore tid bit, but have not even bothered to explain why there is a 180° turn in the narrative. And have just quickly moved on. GW are unable to creatively write anymore, in my opinion.
@RMCbreezy Yeh it's in the Deathwatch 9th edition codex. I thought it was a really interesting way to explain how a faction known for having limited, specialised resources could then become a fully fledged faction. While also explaining why we have new "upsized" marine models! GW have also stated that "this is the easiest, simplest and most balanced edition to date" So the fact they cannot support a faction that has essentially already been established in the lore as a very recently increased in size fighting force, makes no sense for a company that has recorded massive profits.
@hollyd8989 GW writes rules to sell models. Poorly implemented rules = less of a playerbase at tournaments. GW uses tournaments to get all of their data. Competitive warhammer coupled with GW writing rules for models leads to an encouragement of "army hopping" rather than dedicating yourself to one faction.
the moment you stop resisting is the moment they win. It is the sheer venomous response to this that will stop GW. times are changing. Arch has the right of it. We must make sure they understand the customers aren't happy with this. Your path is the path of surrender. It is the customer who wields the Power. If we don't voice our anger then the changes will continue at an increased pace. So. Stay angry. Don't buy from them if you can, And make your voice heard. A company takes an incredible amount of abuse before they change accordingly.
@@bonkstrum9555 actually he is right. when you stop fighting they win. because the other side will not stop fighting, they will keep shouting and fighting. they will turn 40k in the marvel and starwars, shit. a diverse mess because that is all that matters. not the story, not the fans.
@@bonkstrum9555strange take. Arch is pretty much saying the "They came for the communists and I did nothing because I'm not a communist" line. Don't get me wrong, I stopped watching Arch videos back in like 2018... The rolling Rs are too much for me. It's almost as obnoxious as Major Kill mush mouthing school yard profanity.
Just here to leave the receipt’s: 7th Edition - page 6, paragraph 3, referred to as pronoun ‘his’ ordeal, offered up ‘sons’. 8th Edition - page 14, paragraph 4 "Custodians begin their lives as the infant sons of the noble houses of Terra" "Terran aristocracy have willingly given up almost entire generations of newborn sons to earn it.". 9th edition - Page 7, paragraph 5 (similar to 8th edition) and page 8, paragraph 6, referred to as ‘son, nephew’.
An actual fleshed out army of Sisters of Silence .. I would be all over that in a heartbeat. I love the stories and law that is surrounding Adepta Sororitas, Inquisitors, Imperial Agents and now Sisters of Silence. There is so much untapped potential for these factions to not only be made standalone, but they would flourish.
@@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561 Copium addict. GW has been very blunt that 40k was a satire of authoritarianism. Imagine being such a 🤡 that you proceed to use satire unironically 🤣
Can't say I wholly agree with everything but your point right at the end about your hobby being yours and not theirs is exactly how I've felt about this all for a few years now. I bought a 3d printer and don't give GW money for minis, only the occasional paint. Their crap does not affect me, I am free to paint my little elves and robots and write about them all I want, and I'm free to disregard the absolute cringe that they've tried to pawn off as eldar lore. In my little group of 6-7 friends who I do play warhammer with, most of us are kinda like this with one notable exception. A guy who focuses way too much on what GW does and gets mad over balance updates and sold and sold two armies after getting upset over how GW decided to change them. I've known these guys for a few years now, and he's done this twice over the course of 10th edition. If you're gonna get mad over any of GW's decisions and yet keep giving them money, you're shooting yourself in the foot. Make your hobby your own and do what you want.
So I’m a massive Custodes fan, and I feel like I occupy a weird space in how people feel about this. Personally I do not even kind of care that there are female Custodes, what I care about is the storytelling. The process is a mystery yada yada and the emperor is quite the pragmatist, so it doesn’t strike me as something that couldn’t happen, but it also seems like something that absolutely does not matter in the grand scheme of things. In the lore, females can’t become space marines because the process destroys their bodies, there is no such precedent for Custodes. That being said, as of right now it feels hamfisted as all hell and I’m excruciatingly disappointed about the disregard for the Sisters of Silence. The discourse around this is frustrating because of the idiotic echo chambers of both sides of the argument.
I’m afraid the gates are breached and the city is burning. Us survivors must band together and build a new community with stronger walls. GW’s decline is in progress and unless something drastic happens it will continue to diminish until it’s replaced.
Remember Game of Thrones? The Mountain and the Viper? My suspension of disbelief lets me substitute Martell with a well-trained agile woman. It doesn't let me substitute Clegane. Femstodes can't offend me like other retcons (Cawl and the great rift) because it doesn't register in my mind.
Beyond my gaming table is an important cultural artifact. A collaborative endeavour of decades, touched by thousands of artisans. The 40k universe is a masterpiece of my culture, but it has been deformed and vandalised by it's lawful custodians. Just as with any treasured cultural relic, I am angered, even insulted by it's degradation, and sorrowful of its loss.
@@MhmComoQuevedoseeing as GW is an English company, what do you think? Are you so out of the loop, not paying attention to their news, that you dont understand how an englishman would be kinda touchy about culture right now?
@@MhmComoQuevedo No, probably British since GW is British-made. Also, you haven't been on the internet long if you think Americans are particularly guilty of this; its far more common elsewhere in braindead political corners. Not that it matters; its still massively cringey.
@MhmComoQuevedo no, not American. And the lore isn't based on toy soldiers. It's inspired by many different histories, fictions, religious texts, British cultural touch stones and wider European/American influence. And then with grim dark extravagance builds on top and below.
I've kinda softened to the idea of female Custodians, I hate how GW introduced them by just saying "They've always existed" despite there being no description of female Custodes. Some writers did include very vague mentions here and there but that really doesn't confirm or back up the argument that female Custodes have existed for over 10 millennia. Personally, if GW wanted to pull the "They've always existed" and actually give a logical or solid reason as to why, they could've added some lore onto Erda, the mother of the Primarchs, where The Emperor designed a small batch of Custodes to guard her and they just happen to be female to differentiate them from his normal Custodes, lets says there's about 100 of them at maximum, that way, you can introduce the concept of female Custodes, but no in a way that spits in the faces of people who like Custodes and their lore, and it adds to a character that does have a pretty important presence in the universe (or at least in the 30k era to an extent).
Why? This is just the start. 40k has been one of the ironically most diverse lore and game systems for decades whilst others were not. But because two factions (Custodes & Astartes) are all male they want to forcibly change this. Don't submit to the taste of that leather boot my friend. This will get much worse and they'll corrupt & ruin the hobby lore like the cult have done with Star Wars, LOTR. etc
This nonsense is partially your fault north. You tolerated all the small nonsense for so long that GW finally felt they could pull some big shenanigans, and now you have to live with it. This is what you wanted, this is what you had in mind.
They could've used lore and said that the male-only Custodes had to be reinforced with Sisters of Silence taking the vows of a Custodian because they took heavy casualties during the Indomitus Crusade; perhaps because more than a couple thousand of them ran afoul of some traitor Primarchs who decided to mount their golden heads on spikes, so some of the Sisters of Silence got up-jumped into becoming Custodes because they're not only almost as good as the Custodes, but they also know how Custodes act, and that would help them fit in better. That's how you could've made it make sense, instead of pretending that there have always been female Custodes.
Hey GW NEVER said Orks can't be Custodians ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ 1990's WH40K My Armour is Contempt My Shield is Disgust My Sword is Hatred In the Emperor's name, let none survive 2020's WH40K My Armor is Transgender My Shield is Crybully My Sword is Cancelculture In DEI's name, force all to be WOKE
I wonder how people in the hobby felt back then when Rogue Trader turned into Warhammer 40K, when the emperor was just a regular scientist, the primarchs were just generals and space marines were just psychopathic cops
Primaris Marines was not a retcon but an addition. It brought back a Primarch and gave us new and cool models. And it STILL got a load of pushback and controversy. So how is it surprising that this created such a storm?
@@northernexile GW went for 10,000 years, there’s for all this time, in fact been a brand new character, actually no, not new, there’s always been a Cawl since like emperor times (like there’s always been female custodes). He’s a magic tech man, who has in complete and total secret created primaris marines. Science that’s the closest anyone has come to the emperor. Ohh and they are all better than your entire army. How is someone this universe warping never spoken of by any character? His touch and influence never felt by the imperium or it’s enemies? A character who worked with the emperor yet is never mentioned by him or plays any role in the heresy? The scouring? There’s just nothing. Not even a vague codex paragraph. Then the project itself. How is that logistically possible? Nobody knew? Nobody noticed? No traitors? No leaks? None of Cawls enemies within the Mechanicus learned what he was doing? No escaped test subjects? No resources needed for this project? It’s as bad as Palpetine and his secret army from episode 9. Awful writing. Then we have the absurdity of crossing the rubicon being a huge risk, yet every named space marine succeeds. Then that every single space marine chapter is just totally fine with integrating primaris marines, no friction, no conflict, no whiff of heresy. This is comparable to oh yeah, there’s actually been some female custodes knocking about. Actually I was around for both and it’s not comparable, because you all seem far more enraged by this than fucking Cawl. This is adding stuff too, a whole gender in fact. That we got better models is meaningless when it’s the lore that you take issue with. If they released five S tier female custodian models tomorrow and three 5* peak Abnett books you’d still have a problem with it. And imagine your reaction if they decided one of the unnamed primarchs was actually female.
@@danielloaces589 The emperor had quite an advantage as he created the thunder warriors on a mad max style, low tech single world dystopia, where nobody knew anything about him. And being a god tier psyker with precognition probably helps out a bit. Cawl, without being a god tier psyker, or a precog, being a known entity and major player, achieved primarus in complete and total secret from the high tech mass surveillance of both the mechanicum and the imperium. Is it impossible no. Is it highly improbable yup. Have GW addressed it after 7 years nope.
I wouldn't be so annoyed with it if they made female Custodes a new thing (Say Crawl found a way to make female Custodes as A way to quickly replenish the numbers of certain dwindling Custode forces) and made it very clear they are very few and dar between but to say "Yeah there has always been female Custodes" just feels like a slap in the face and makes me question what they will change about other factions I adore..
Uncool thing about the Sisters of Silence is that they actually have a pretty decent unit range in the Liber Imperium for the Horus Heresy. Unfortunately 90% of those datasheets do not have models representation💀
Some of the comments here and this dudes temper tantrum makes me wonder the quality of people around here. Like i stated its wronf how the femstodes where introduced but behaving like an angry toddler like North is, super sad.
I don't mind the femstodes, it's just the effort was so poor. You could have wrote it where thousands of years ago the sisters of silence had struggles trying to fight on their own, so they needed a power boost, they fought for it and got it with the help of male stodes, then it's cool and everyone likes it. But just retconning with a twitter post is shit
Wait, Custodian players are selling their armies because people are making comments of female custodes? Then you have us Dark Angel players getting “are you really loyalist tho” and “so you play chaos marines” for the last 15 years.
How often has this type of thing worked? Is it 0% of the time? You can't throw the lore out, you can add, you can't destroy. The addition has to make sense, too. Can't believe that needs to be said.
I'm against the lore change and how they were implemented not the idea itself. If for example they had Valdor or Valaris go 'our last tithe was insufficient in replenishing our numbers experiment with females or sisters of silence' and this was something NEW and reasonably explored. There wouldn't be as much blow back.
I said for a while, augmented sisters giving them some small stats & rules boost would make them more appealing and able to stick around with their larger MALE Custodian companions.
I think you made some good points but there are some pretty hard disagrees in here. Throughout the rant, you have a extremely negative view of people who are okay with female custodes and GW and believe like they are all acting out of malice. I think your point of 'not everybody who hates female custodes is doing so for bad reasons' should also apply to people who don't mind the change and GW. I think female custodes are alright, and I don't really hold any ill will towards anybody I disagree with, save for the ones who actively bullied people homebrewing female representation before the change. Second, I also hold the lore in strong regard and strongly dislike Cawl and Primaris, (as well as the Mag'Ladroth rewrite) but I don't think all lore purists are a monolith on opinion. Despite the name, brotherhoods are not always all male (Brotherhood of steel being my go to example) an bioalchemy was never restricted by gender unlike geneseed. While a few old lore excerpts are retconned, I do not think the change is as big as it is made out to be, I don't see a big difference between male and female custodes. Third, I just don't see female custodes take anything away from sisters of silence, as you said yourself, it's their abilities as blanks and being a elite warrior order that sets them apart and makes them so cool. Custodes where never and are still not that, and lorewise they still complement each other, covering each other's weaknesses. It's even seen in the animation you complained about, as I believe the two protagonists are a custode and a sister of silence, although admittedly I have not had the means to watch Tithe yet. I think all around it was a alright rant and you have your reasons, but I wanted to speak up, as you acted a bit like those who disagree are some sort of monolith and harbour ill will towards you. Cheers. Also, in case anybody tries that tourist nonsense in the replies, I've been playing since I was a kid and have a ton of armies, my main being nearly 200 firstborn Lamenters
in plastic the sisters of silence have: - 1 squad kit that can be built one of three ways - 1 character kit that comes with both a sister of silence and a custodes - the rhino but it's just the space marine rhino, no upgrade kit for it just here take a rhino in resin they have: - 1 weapons pack with twin pistols that is heresy only - 1 black library character model that can be used as a generic hq if chosen - 1 30k only transport by contrast the custodes have: - 8 plastic kits - 16+ resin kits and upgrade kits while on the surface level female custodes don't bother in a vacum until i see the real things it really means that gw won't properly expand the sisters of silence because gw will go "oh but we've made it so custodes can be female so we won't be expanding this range in 40k, oh 30k we provided rules but no models for new units we might consider doing when we've run out of tanks for every other faction first and then updated all the xenos range for 40k too i write this as several times I have attempted to be a sister of silence player in 40k and gw just kept fucking them up on a rules front. last i looked at their rules they weren't even immune to psychic powers they were just resistant which is lame but then this edition psychic powers are lame compared to their glory days back in 7th edition
The original plan for the larger space marine models was simply to replace everyone's entire collection - but GW realised this was going too far so they invented the 'Primaris' as an option (thankfully).
I really love the idea of female Custodes. I know they were introduced just now. They were not planned in the beginning. But they are here now. And I really, really love it. I play Custodes and have nearly everything of the faction several times. I read everything from the black library concerning them, have all the codices and cherish them. I hope there will be female models in the future. The Adeptus Custodes never saw itself as part of the empire. Rules of the empire do no not concern them, do not interest them. The golden palace is a faction itself. The Sisters of Silence are not part of the Adeptus Custodes, they are their most important allies. But that's it. There is absolutely no reason, why infant girls cannot become Custodes just like infant boys.
I think the Custodes in this episode is cool like all Custodes are but I can't help but feel like it's forced now. We see way more Female Guard units/characters now which is fine it's a militia whatever. The weirdest part about this is the Sisters of Battle are arguably one of the coolest factions and then you throw in the Sisters of Silence and you have 2 awesome women only groups in 40k and it still isn't enough for the loud minority on twitter. Female space marines in 5 years just watch.
I have scaled back to skirmish level games completely. Some kill team but mostly Stargrave, Space station zero, and others. The others being miniature agnostic i print out my crews. GW has not got money from me in a very long time.
Of all the changes GW has made over the years that have bothered me (Primaris being the No1 offender) the female Custodians are the one I want to like the most, but just don't, and the way they handled it, basically lore by Tweet, was just down right disrespectful to the fans who actually took the time to read GWs lore. I own both the 8th ed and 9th ed Custodes Codices even though I don't play the army just so I could have their lore. If they'd had Cawl wave his magical deus ex machina wand and now all of a sudden the Custodes can convert females going forward I'd have given them the side eye and thought "I know way you're doing this, but at this point what's one more asspull to add to Cawls list", but they didn't, they had to make it retroactive, and imo it was too late to make that kind of change. In fact it was too late in 2018 when the first codex landed, you would have to go all the way back to the mid 00s* when GW first started developing the HH as a setting (for a card game of all things) to get to a point where GW could've introduced female Custodes, and do you know what GW did instead? They invented the Sisters of Silence... *I genuinely don't think many would've minded if GW ignored the Rogue Trader era Custodes fluff because so much of the Rogue Trader fluff in the original BRB had been altered and reworked even before second ed dropped. RT also tended to use 'Man' in a deliberately antiquated way to mean 'Mankind', or simply 'Human'. The Imperium of Man wouldn't have lasted very long if its name was literally true...
Diversity isn’t a bad thing in this hobby, those that disagree need to have a word with themselves and stop being what is bad about the hobby. On another note I wish GW would add some more female options for Astra militarum given that it is a very diverse army. Maybe they could also make an Astra Militarum themed dust pan and brush to make it easier to remove models from the table 😂
A bunch of 3D print content has been created to flesh out the Sisters of Silence -- Speechlessness by 3D designers on the purple site and other places which adds to them instead of trying to shoehorn some female custodes. Why GW can't just do the same boggles the mind.
Because they don't care. It's all about pleasing a certain shareholder pair who push this aggressive nonsense on most companies they invest in. It won't stop unless people react with poison.
The reason Custodes arent being played anymore isnt because of the lore change (for some that may be the case, but not the vast majority). The reason people dont play Custodes as much anymore is because their codex rules are complete shit. The lore change was the insult to the injury.
Custodes were my primary faction, they were the 3rd army I started after tyranids and world eaters. I started collecting them in 2019. I loved custodes, they were the coolest faction imo. Along with the sisters of silence. They were just so cool and unique, 2 organisations working together and fighting as one. I have a 2000+ point army of custodes and sisters of silence. Which is why it hurts to say I will NEVER give another PENNY to another custodes product until femstodes are retconned into oblivion. I've been harrassed, insulted and called every vile name under the sun. Custodes just aren't fun anymore, custodes fan spaces aren't fun anymore. I hate it, and I hate the custodes now....At least I have world eaters still. Or maybe I should just indulge in star wars legion.
I have a Adeptus Custodes army as my secondary. It's gonna be using it for a "War in the Webway" narrative game my friends and I are planning for New Years Eve. In my head canon none of my Custodes are women the only women in my Adeptus Custodes are Sisters of Silence. I love the look of them and the lore behind them. I am okay with the concept of female custodes however you have to put in the legwork you can't just say "Oh they were always there" bullshit. They weren't. You know it, I know it and games workshop sure as hell knows it. What they could have said was post Horus Heresy they were desperate for new recruits because they lost I believe it was around 80 to 90% of their force from the War in the Webway and the Siege of Terra. They took any high born infants male or female and put them through the process and a few women managed to become Custodes but it was an extremely low amount like 50 to 100 women tops in the 10,000 managed to survive the process. That way it would explain why there were so seldom seen in the galaxy at large. It's not perfect but it give them plausible believability in the setting.
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I honestly left the community. I still play 40k with my wife and enjoy the books. She, like me, thinks female stodes. Currently working on something I call "purehammer" which is basically warhammer pre-primaris and I go from there using my own lore. The great rift happens, Guilliman doesn't revive fully but managed to tell cawl to awaken the primaris, Cawl's primaris are just upgraded gear and a massive stockpile of marines to act as reinforcements to all chapters. That's about as far a I have gotten since I'm actually writing BL style which is actually pretty hard.
Early commenter, but I have to say, this whole issue makes it so infuriating to play/collect Stodes. I *personally* think it does nothing to clarify/retcon women into the Custodes, but it's SO annoying how controversial it is, that I just groan angrily every time it's joked about or mentioned. They *could* have just introduced a female Custodian via that Tithes animated short and we could've hit that angle. I get it: they changed the lore. They fumbled the change. But to me it hurts nothing to include women as Custodes. Space Marines are still all male. Sisters of Battle are still all female. The fraternity/sorority factions are still there. I still think Sisters of Silence are still cool, and lose nothing ALSO having female Custodians. Again, all opinion. I get it, I do, but it just doesn't bother me.
Games workshop also needs to remember that they work for us. Not the other way around. It’s for this exact reason that I’m starting to explore other games like infinity and one page rules.
I plan to use the female custodes as add ons to other models, like a unit of tyranids with their corpses ripped up at their feet, some cut into so I can put the claw going through them. Or use chaos models to mix match them to show they came from the warp and are enemies of the emperor and the imperium!
The only way that female Astarte's could be introduced is if they were Alpharius. But as people already stated Warhammer already has the sister of silence which in itself could be considered as a non-augmented space marine chapter.
The takeaway for me is that it can be fine for female Custodes, but who is this for? Who wanted this? A small, loud minority is forcing things like diversity and equity, in the worst, communistic sense of the terms, and at the expense of a built in fan base. If i knew that the majority of my viewers wanted me to stick to lifting and they hated my figurine painting, but a tiny minority made fun of my base for being exclusive, who am I going to cater to? My majority audience, of course. Otherwise, I go broke and noone watches my channel. Why? sure, you get called names.... ist, phobe.... bigot, racist.... but the truth is that the MAJORITY doesn't want it, and they did it anyways. I think the way the new Space Marine 2 is doing on steam speaks for itself. despite the leftist crying for diversity and for us to boycott, they are making money hand over fist by catering to the majority, and we could not be happier. No one is forcing anything. No one is lecturing us. It is just a good game, with a good story, and for the record...... I RUN SISTERS OF BATTLE, so don't tell me I don't want women in the space. They don't even know the lore to begin with.
I don't care that there are female custodes. I care that they are not consistant with the lore. Consistency keeps a loyal fan base, making stupid changes that override the years of lore is the dumbest thing they can do and sadly its happening.
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I like sisters of silence more than custodes, even before the change to the lore
That’s fair.
Sisters of silence are fucking sick, they did them dirty by creating female custodes
Me too and not only that. I like the Adeptus Sororitas more then the Space Marines (I know hot take) but when I saw the canoness in the second or third edition codex I was hooked with the Battle Nuns. Their leaders who are literal Saints.
yes
"We iz cuztodian cuz the gitz never said we woz not there. Zo me and the zogs we iz da bestest cuztodian. "
Orks always were custodian. Because i beleive it.
I have been a commission painter for the past 20 years...
Armies i have painted for female clients or sold to a female client.
Necrons, four
Eldar, painted one, one sold
Sisters of battle, four, the one on my table currently will make five before the end of September.
Nids, seven, did a 3000 point expansion on one of these armies earlier this year, mostly bio titains she had gotten ner hands on.
Tau, two
Orks, one painted, one sold
Harlequins, three painted, one of these i was asked to match a paint scheme of the one troupe/star weaver she had painted herself, two sold
This is all the same client...
Daemons, tzeentch/slaanesh, one
Daemons, tzeentch/nurgle, one
slaanesh for aos, one
The only... space marine "army"... was a gag for her husband...
Two units of angry marines... he is an imperial fist player.
The other space marine entry for a woman i have, is a dad that, ordered up his daughter's kill team painted up in my little pony character colors as part of a kill team birthday gift... hilariously i ended up painting up a warcry starter set for her as she "didn't want the spacemen"... i still swear he lost a bet and had them painted for himself and used his daughter as an excuse. Because those models have shown up at the game store... Ahhh friends...
That's cool, do you make a reasonable amount of money for the time put in or do you just do it to paint?
So, zero Custodes? I get that right?
How many male customers for comparison?
Yeah, I keep hearing that Tyranids are really popular with women in the hobby, no one's really sure why.
@@johnwalton287
This is exclusively 40k, AOS, other GW games
Unique female clients, 11
Unique Male clients 94
if we toss in other game systems/sculpts/canvas/board games the unique female clientele jumps to 19, and male clientele jumps to 113.
Most prominent non gw games in the past 5 years for female clients, being malifaux and moonstone.
I have done two asoiaf starter boxes as gifts for spouses that were later expanded upon.
I have done a web warriors/a-force list for mcp, for one client.
I have not seen this client playing mcp, but I have painted up 83 models for them.
Most prominent non gw games for male clients over the past 5 years have been mcp, shatterpoint, battletech, asoiaf and conquest.
I despise ESG.
@@skwam7202 welcome to the club...
I would offer you a cookie but we ran out of cookies long ago.
Everyone does.
I think we all want to be welcoming and inclusive to others but it has to be done where appropriate to established lore or source material. KCD2 has had pushback for not representing minority's in the game when it's set in 13th century Bohemia, I mean come on get a grip, what diversity do they think existed in a landlocked eastern European kingdom that's situated in modern day Poland. Sympathy and understanding has limits n mines draining rapidly
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@@benstewart7970*modern day Czech Republic
They used the sister of silence for all the promotional material and released this a day before SM2
They know full well the community hates the retcon, they just don't care about the community.
Speak for yourself, there's a large majority of us who are laughing at all the people getting butthurt whilst we continue to paint our models.
It's not a big deal, and people need to get over it.
@@feesh3096 Haven't watched the video and gone straight to the comments section to pick fights I see.
The custodes reveal trailer from 4 moths ago after the initial retcon is at 80% dislike. You porn addicts are far from the majority
@@feesh3096 See this is exactly how we got to modern media being garbage.
It's not the Female Custodes that's brewing chaos... It's the possibility of what comes after.
They will now start using their own lore and characters as magnets for investors. With different Investors come different demands.
And the lore changes according to business environments. Then the lore starts breaking apart like what happened to Star Wars.
All for what? Ticking boxes?
@@feesh3096 It will become a "big deal" if it is allowed to continue. That's the whole point.
@@anjaneyasreetrout2444 big deal to terminally online sad children maybe
There are NO female Custodes
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@@margaretwood152 The quote is "Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake" it's from Napoleon not Sun Tzu and he said it at Waterloo, which he lost.
Mixed sex military units have never been generally referred to as "Men" huh? LOTR and "The Race of Men" meant literally only the males?
Come on, its not that hard.
@@Optix334 No
@@Optix334 shizen off back to magic the gathering
I have no big stakes in this, because I neither collect custodes nor marines. But I can totally understand where people are comming from here. We have seen enough beloved franchises becomming a twisted mess in a vain effort to catch "modern audiences".
Your solution sounds viable aswell. Dont play those folks, dont waste your time on them and find based people, who enjoy the hobby the way you do.
And btw, your guest the other day was quite correct: 3D printing is there. I am a complete amateur in this field, and got my first printer this summer. And since then I have printed 90% of my stuff.You got to look into safety prodecures but it aint rocket science - quite the contrary.
Anyways, I share your view 100% - we dont need this company anymore. If they dont stuff we like, we have ways to do our thing!
I like Vampire; the Masquerade. Life is pain. Current stewards just present a "safe edgy" image, while also tripping over themselves to apologize for even going that far. I haven't given them a penny. A shame because some of the rule changes aren't bad, it's the narrative that's mostly been destroyed.
Totally agree with you. And I have recently looked into FDM printing. The minis coming out of my Bambo A1 with 0.2mm nozzle look so great with little to no cleanup! not super duper crisp-great but they definetly have reached a level of detail GW had 15 years ago when I got into the hobby and thats absolutely *insane!* And it doesnt make any dirt, big noise or other maintenance issues usually connected with Resin. I think if this continues, FDM printing will be the true nail in the coffin for GW. Everybody can have it. Its super affordable. It can stand anywhere in any room. The material is super cheap. it has already reached a level of detail perfect for gamers and is likely to top that in the next couple of years.
Custodes should have never left Terra and should have never been in the game short of being one unit or one hq in an imperium army. the female custodes bit is just the final ring of the bell.
Hard agree.
Obviously there are certain lore to tabletop exceptions we can make but seeing Custodes get bodied by normal factions on tabletop is a hard ask.
It DOES happen. Like imagine reading a book where the tau park a few riptides and just blow away Custodes lol. This is coming from a tau player mind you.
@@shirghazaycowboysthen in a killteam match you lose 2 or 3 custodes to a dozen guardsmen xd
Nah, I play them as an army, have since they came out. They are my first and only army, even after all this time. I would have never gotten into 40k if not for my golden boys.
"So we sent one custard girl whose literal job is guard the emperor waaaaaay off to antagonise some chapters into creating a useless barrier of dead worlds that any hive fleet would just zoom through upon detecting no sustenance."
GW, Gooner Writers 2024
This. At last finally someone who sees it. Custodes never should have been their own army and should only have ever been 1 or 2 speical units that other Imperials can take as an ally. Everytime I point this out, Custodes fans seethe.
I was entirely neutral about Guilliman coming back but as a Dark Angels collector since the late 80s I was excited about the return of teh Lion. But then GW had Mike Brooks write the book so I refused to read it.
It was actually pretty good cause his politics aside he writes good Ork books and did a really good job with the Lion returned. I personally didn't notice any of his politics bleed into his novels.
I liked the book. I had no idea he was woke. I won’t read his books in future.
He adds woke stuff in small parts in like that one book he mentioned a sister was trans. Or implicating lion was gay
@@skycommander2153 I thought it was mediocre: not a great story, but not the worst either. I think Brooks is overrated and don't care much for his novels, but to each his own.
@@MidWanker-Minis that's a very woke thing to say😂. if it's good, read it, if not don't. who cares about his political opinion
I've been a female in the hobby 40k for over a decade. I do not like the direction GW is taking. I didn't even like the Primaris addition, I miss the old square and bulky aesthetic. I don't need representation and it's not what got me into 40k. I find the Raven Guard and Blood Angels super cool, it's my armies. I LOVE Dreadnoughts, they're my favorite unit. I just love them.
Just speak with your wallet and stop giving them your money if you don't like it pretty simple.
I hate GW, but I’m addicted to that plastic crack and they serve my favorite flavor
this is how i responded. wont even get the new space marine game. no more money for gw.
This is the correct response. The issue is that there's too many Stepford Wives in the community for people to follow their convictions.
@@crimsonknight7011 Find alternatives bro.
Already did. My imperial knights sit lonely on the bottom shelf of my ever growing gunpla collection.
Separating ones love for the 40k verse and their disappointment with GW is becoming key to enjoy the hobby
Always has been
Throughout my experience within Warhammer 40k fandom, kits and lore. Games workshop always ruin the fun for most of the fans here, remember tts? Turns out game's workshop F him over even though he's probably the reason a good chunk of us were introduced to Warhammer, oh and the patches that could make the rulebook outdated, and those books are the same price if not more expensive than some combat patrol, doesn't make it better that games workshop has been continually increasing the kits prices every year.
Other than that, the lore has always been F over, multiple retcons has happened before to made things a lot more logical, but the way they introduced female custodians was practically nonexistent, they really just said female custodian has always existed, which is probably why most fans were angry at them
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As the saying goes: "You're not a real Warhammer Fan until you hate GW!"
As Fantasy old blood, I've been warning 40k fans for a few years now that they're heading for their own End Times event and AoS-style "sequel". The rolling out of the Primaris Marines and the gradual return of all the Primarchs are two of the biggest indicators of this trend.
The misunderstanding with my warning, however, is that people tend to think that means it'll be a 1-1 repeat of the End Times, but it won't. GW learned for their past experience with the End Times, and has opted to roll out the 40k changes in a much more gradual and tested manner.
It's imperative to understand that GW views the 40k setting, as it was, as "restrictive". They want to dismantle the existing framework to make a setting that's more open ended and flexible. By doing so, GW can do anything they want with their product - that could range from shoving in brain-dead politics, to making consumers rebuy their armies. This is what AoS was/ is, and this it what 40k 2.0 will be.
I don't disagree, but I think it's sad that GW would see 40k (and Fantasy) as restrictive because they both started out as very broad kitchen sink settings that were designed to be able to accommodate a wide variety of creature types and character types. 40k has to be one of the most well conceived wargame settings ever because damn near everyone has a reason to fight everyone else. It's an odd thing that companies with well developed, deep IPs with dedicated fanbases often seem to end up chaffing at the restrictions that places on them whilst companies with newer, less well developed IPs look on with envy. It's a grass is always greener mentality, the owners of an established IP crave freedom and the owners of new IPs crave the structure a developed IP provides.
Regarding the Brain-dead politics, it seems that GW has lost interest in working with dystopias, especially a morally ambiguous, black on black one like 40k. They so desperately want Space Marines to be the heroes though. AOS was their first attempt at a more straight forwardly black and white setting where the good Stormcast had to fight the bad worshippers of Khorne but it did so poorly they had to inject some ambiguity back into the setting with the subsequent editions. Still not as much as 40k though.
@@Culexus101 Hard disagree. Fantasy itself was quite literally the most good vs evil Warhammer setting, even when considering AoS. Even early AoS had this ambiguity on who the good guys were that Old Fantasy lacked. Now if you're talking about post-6th edition Fantasy that introduced stuff like Bretonnian nobility taking 99% of their farmer's grain, then yeah, they grimdarked Fantasy by a lot at that point.
But before that? It was by far the most good vs evil setting.
@@stephenjenkins7971 This is interesting to hear. Because I remember reading about this one incident in the lizardman army book.
A bunch of high elves, who were supposed to be their staunch allies were butchered, because a slaan (One of the magical toad guys in charage of the lizardmen) read an ancient tablet and it said the high elves were not meant to be in the lizardman homelands yet. So the slaan had all the high elves butchered so it wouldn't conflict with the rules of his stone tablet of prophecy.
Is this the sort of stuff that was added to the 6th and 5th editions of fantasy? Because my memory is a little bit fuzzy, but I remember joining the fantasy setting and building my whole army not to long before its demise and the end times fiasco went down.
@@Justacheese High Elves and Lizardmen were never "staunch allies". The Lizardmen considered the Asur to be bugs at most. They attacked anyone that got in their way; their goals just so happened to have aligned in the first Chaos Invasion so the Asur stayed out of their way and the Lizardmen stayed in Lustria for the most part.
That being said, I don't recall if that was the idea behind the Lizardmen from the start, or that began at a certain Edition. So I can't really answer your question. I do recall a massive "grimdarking" of Fantasy in 6th Edition onwards, though. Like, the idea of Slaanesh eating up elven souls was introduced at that time, adopted from 40k.
That being said, the End Times occurred in 8th Edition.
@stephenjenkins7971 I'd say post 6th and pre 4th, so 3rd ed. 80s Warhammer Fantasy was quite a grimdark setting compared to 90s WF. The Empire might be making a lot of technological and scientific progress, but it's still a place where superstition runs rampant. Where pissing off the wrong people, or just being unlucky, could get someone burnt as a Witch or Warlock even if they had no magical powers whatsoever.
The way I see this shit, is pretty much the same as they pulled in Comic books.
Fake geek girl comes in, throws their shit all over the modeling table that everyone who was already in the store is at, working, and says "This sure is a great store... going to look even greater when we get rid of all of you and put up the pink My Little Pony curtains".
The rest of the table full of boys and girls who were already the established patrons of the store, and are all quite tight all look at each other and say, "Who the hell are you? We've never even met you before".
"They want your thing, not their own thing" is literally the mindset of an unsocialized 2 year old child.
Our societies are being increasingly run by selfish people who've never had any friends.
It’s the literal problem though and as much as you want to sneer at people that state this.. it’s the truth their not happy unless YOUR hobbies and things also represent them too because if it was about anything other than virtue signalling these idiots would actually support this stuff but as soon as the changes are made they drop rhetoric IP and move onto the next thing to ruin
It always has to represent them and they're own narcissism. They ruin everything.
One of my local gaming cafes, one of the ladies in the hobby plays White Scars. It’s a really nicely painted army too
Im sure that GW does not want anymore fan loyalty and money anymore.
I would have to add it to the "GW Fuck Up" list.
It is better to die for the 3D Printer, than to live for GW.
@@Captain-Thievius yes.
I don't have the room for a 3d printer but I would like to find more United Kingdom sites for 3d printed models.
@@JamesTheLamenter LaserForge Miniatures is cool if you want Iron Hands. Etsy has a wide assortment of 3D Prints and transfers they’ll ship to you.
@@JamesTheLamenter LaserForge Miniatures is cool if you want some Iron Hands flavor. I’ve used them and have no complaints.
@@Captain-Thievius thank you
"all you get are jokes about female Custodes". Welcome to the Tau experience!
and blood raven player experience
Laughs in listening to over 30 years of "Dark Angels are Chaos" dumbassery.
Today I stumbled across a video which boiled down the argument to "representation matters", and went on to say that while male miniatures sold in the past due to the largest demographic wanting them, the more people can see themselves in every faction, the better. Comments disagreed with them.
I'm shocked.
I’d hope people want a cool setting rather than people who look like them or have the same genetails.
I’m white, a white dude in Dynasty Warriors would suck if he’s supposed to be an indigenous Japanese warrior. I’m not like ‘hurr durr he looks like me’
@@northernexilethe cult of woke already had representation;
It’s called Slaanesh.
Was it by chance called "Warhammers gender problem" by a guy named salamander? If so I saw part of it and saw his comments cooking him. So I think that's the same one. Yeah he barely knew what he was talking about, but to his credit I didn't watch the full thing.
@@zelda4ever72 It was indeed.
I've ignored all the lore since the introduction of Primaris. It's hot garbage. I'll stick with old lore and painting classic minis off eBay.
Cool. Stay there
Me too, older lore and a setting on the precipice of destruction by Abbadon’s 13th black crusade is best
Games Workshop will do a full Ubisoft and sink
@@princepsarqueek Go Woke , Get Broke
" Never (ever) 🛑STOP an _Enemy_ from making a *_Mistake. "_*
~ Sun Tzu 🀄
It doesn't help their prices are completely unjustifiable and insane.
@@thenight527 Yes, yet people still buy the over priced shite. Hopefully this prevents it a bit
who knows, mabey they will course correct when they start going bankrupt
i remember them defending this nonsense by saying that the lore "doesn't matter that much anyway!" or something along those lines.
If they don't care about it, why should we?
Exactly. This is the same level of corporate stupidity that ruined Starwars.
What made this especially egregious is the female custodes announcement came shortly after the Horus Heresy book series concluded.
If the community wasn't a bunch of spineless consoomers we would have boycotted the "eRa InDoMiTus" and we would have forced GW to make good lore to buy their shit.
if the lore doesnt matter that much anyway, why would they feel the need to change it to begin with?
If GW doesn't care about 40k lore, why should I?
And it's the lore that keeps people shackled to 40k. It sure as shit isn't the actual ruleset. It's the imagery, the idea. In my group, many of us now play OPR with our 40k models, we're not buying the codexes and expansions. I'm seeing more printed models appear (though most have expansive "official" collections).
The move away will take time to filter through because it's some individuals not buying a £40 set here and there rather than a sudden slam on the brakes where millions of people are suddenly spending nothing on the products every day (compare Bud Light).
Time will tell whether the old guard moving away is enough - it's not like GW did much to keep us around anyway, it's probably factored in.
The old guard will be moved out like firstborn. And new primaris( accepting, open, and reasonable people) will take their place.
@@bonkstrum9555 If behaving like a cuckoo makes one "accepting, open and reasonable", you and I have very different definitions.
I want you to go research the original Rogue Trader and tell me again how sacred and unchanging 40K lore is.
@@calebh373gw has spent 4 decades refining and improving the lore, female custodes is an egregious change, it adds nothing of value to already solid lore. The change isn’t even backed up by a figure release.
It is the common practice of gw to change the lore to either improve the story and facilitate selling more figures or correct an inconsistency or mistake.
@@johnwalton287in in those 4 decades they have retconned Hughes swathes of the lore on a whim like the necrons, the end times, the original 13th black crusade, death of the squats and reintroduction of the votann, necrons pariahs and alot more. The fact is GW has always changed the lore on a whim the only difference is they failed to do it respectfully and just tried to gaslight the fans.
They should NEVER have been established as a standing army. Custodes, if anything, are an attachment or used in small doses.
The rules and codex are a joke. You see them in a store, and no one wants to play them as an opponent. Overhyped, underperforming, and lame.
Having 4 or 5 in an army, as a support element, gives you a tacticool advantage, and a small dose of kickass that give you an A for cool points, and gives you a solid standing support team that can take most comers.
Every time GW does something stupid all the Chinese recasters celebrate.
best places to get chinese recasts?
The hatred and attack on men and what they enjoy for the last century has been destroyed or take. Away. And they have the gull to talk about sexism or toxicity
This is where I've landed. I use the parts of the 40k lore I like. I play with 3d printed models and One Page Rules rules. Never been happier.
This is the way.
This is exactly what I do.
Personally, it always felt like GW was testing the waters to see what would happen. If the overall backlash wasn't massive (outside the normal gate keeper types). Then they would consider pushing this out to Space marines.
If they ever do female space marines, or even a whiff of a hint or rumor they are going to do it, im doing a normal space marine army out of spite.
If they are going to do it, they need to introduce female space marines as a new thing. The Horus Heresy books alone make it impossible to pull an "always has been" with any level of believability.
@@calebh373 if GW didnt do "there have always been female custodies" and instead made it a brand new add on to the lore as some recent major breakthrough in genetic engineering to now allow female custodies to be a thing, i think it would have gone a lot better. Sure people would have grumbled about it but it wouldnt feel so forced. And given how GW handled female custodes i wouldnt be suprised if they do the same for space marines in general, or one or both of the missing primarchs coming back and being a woman, which would suck for those with custom marine chapters lore who use geneseed from a unknown primarch now made redundant. Either way introducing female marines is going to be messy no matter what way they get brought in.
I can't wait for my tyranids to come out as gay
no it will be gender neutral trans species bugs :/
@@Registeel13Ty i mean isnt asexual on the flag, so.. we could hope for that if im right and not implanting a fake memory
I had a friend who shelved his Custodes army. It's just become a joke at this point that I don't even run into people playing Custodes in the store either. They didn't help sales by this foolish decision.
The thing is this won't be the end of it, I can see it a few steps down the road. They are trying to force this with the codex and now this, and they will try it again. Next thing they will release characters or new models that have some gross freak Custodes. Just wait, don't let them gaslight you, it's coming, that's the level they work at.
If you buy from resellers you're still supporting GW, since they still make money on every legit model that gets sold.
Buy from recasters or buy from a 3d printer, if you really do need to have those specific things.
Are there true copies of their models available from printers? Cause all ive seen are close copies with subtly fucked proportions
They should have left it as a setting and never turned it into some kind of soap opera. I had played 40k since Rogue Trader up until 5th ed, and I honestly preferred when the setting was vague, leaving us all wiggle room for our imaginations to fill in the rest. Im happy I have left GW products behind years ago and returned to other games I love and discovered new ones I am falling in love with. GW was NOT my starting point in the wargame hobby and it won't be my ending point. You are correct, my hobby is mine, it does not belong to GW.
In the 90s and 00s they were advancing the clock, just quite slowly. The Third War for Armageddon took place in M41.998, and the Eye of Terror Campaign from late 3rd took place in M41.999. If they had got to a point where one year of real time equalled one year of 40k time I think that could've been ok. We would now be in M42.024 and we'd have a whole tapestry of comparatively small stories to talk about, so even big events like the return of old Rowboat could be set against the backdrop of a galaxy that was still mostly just chugging along.
Misters of silence when?
I'm waiting for my Misters of battle with their top hats....
@@JamesTheLamenter why wait? You can literally do it now
@@heartsickruben I don't know any UK sites that see any.
You mean Misters of Mute
@@JamesTheLamentermy man, network yourself someone with a 3d printer
Since the first of the Ten Thousand were created, there have always been male Sisters of Silence.
The NBA thing is funny, I know a lot of tall women. I'm 6'8" and my mother was a basketball player. Nearly all of the chicks I know who play amateur or semi-pro basketball, don't watch women's basketball. Maybe because they play it? But I tell you what they do watch they do watch, men's basketball. Whenever the Olympics is on or it's NBA season in the US they're endlessly discussing the men's games. It's the nature of the beast that Men's basketball requires players playing at the highest skill level in their field. And as these women, actually love the game, they want to see it being played at its absolute best. Obviously I can't speak for everyone, but I think if you watch sports, you are watching it for the love of the game (or you gamble).
The thing is the people who are changing 40k and pay lip service to all of the nonsense that has come since 8th ed and onwards, don't love the lore or the game. They love Disney Star Wars or New Doctor Who, and want 40k to be that, not what it is.
Don't need another Marvel, Star Wars, Doctor Who, Star Trek, Lord of The Rings, literally everything else situation
we dont want 40k becoming another generic sci fi setting like the others.
The theory that makes the most sense to me is that this came from Amazon. The Custodes are the strongest humans in the imperium outside of the primarchs, and they wanted it to be a woman. Henry Cavill has a contractual stipulation that everything in the TV show must be correct according to the lore or he can veto it. To score an end-run around him, they changed the lore.
And demigods having a female orgin affects the show how?
@@bonkstrum9555 It fulfills a "X number of women and minorities in lead roles" stipulation that amazon insists on
@@doomguy9049 and this affects the show how?
@@bonkstrum9555 If the show doesn't meet Amazon's requirements it won't be made.
How does it benefit show? Why does something need to be changed to fit some random set of boxes?
If I made blade white, people would skin me. So no, it's not gonna fly if the opposite is true, and if I have to change a character for no reason.
So I'll ask again what does it ADD for the setting? Because it doesn't add ANYTHING making it pointless if not detrimental to a fans enjoyment because they're mucking around.
It's not the gotcha question you think it is.@@bonkstrum9555
Unfortunately I cant go out and spend money on a few pints with my friends.
1. I dont drink anymore.
2. The closest friend lives 40 minutes away. He doesnt care at all about nerd hobbies and has too much going on in his life with his wife and kids.
3. All my warhammer friends live across the country in various locations. My hobby is primarily revolving around online discussion and youtube videos at this point.
Ive come to the realization that table top gaming is pretty much a waste of time despite being the only recreation i have in my life. Ive been weighing the idea of selling my collection off and just quitting the hobby altogether. I dont even have guests that would see painted models on a shelf at this point.
I say, instead of buying genuine GW models from ebay to not give GW money (because the resellers need to buy their stuff from GW in the first place before they can resell it, so in a way GW still get our money), I reckon to have a real meaningful impact to GW is to go full on 3D printing and support proxy designers. that way we can totally vote with our own wallet, when GW starts to see the decline of their sales, and the rise of proxy / look-a-like designers
12.15 Thankyou!!! I have a 25k pt deathwatch force pretty much entirely made up of Firstborn marines as i found Primaris to be a lame addition to the lore. Slowly but surely they have grown on me admittedly. But i was more interested in a pushback against them within the narrative. As in firstborn, being extremely hesitant or even a primarch taking offence at their geneseed being worked on without their knowledge. And was bitterly disappointed that we got neither of those.
Not to mention recent changes that made my collection pretty much redundant. And that change, brought on by vocal fans who do not collect deathwatch, is in direct conflict with GWs' recent 9th edition deathwatch lore. (Guilliman donated entire companies of "greyshields" to watch fortresses so that they could take offensive actions instead of stuck running small killteams. GW has done a 180° turn on that lore tid bit, but have not even bothered to explain why there is a 180° turn in the narrative. And have just quickly moved on.
GW are unable to creatively write anymore, in my opinion.
Holy shit i was about to say theyre supposed to be akin to kill teams more than chapters, but i never knew that piece of lore
@RMCbreezy Yeh it's in the Deathwatch 9th edition codex. I thought it was a really interesting way to explain how a faction known for having limited, specialised resources could then become a fully fledged faction. While also explaining why we have new "upsized" marine models! GW have also stated that "this is the easiest, simplest and most balanced edition to date"
So the fact they cannot support a faction that has essentially already been established in the lore as a very recently increased in size fighting force, makes no sense for a company that has recorded massive profits.
Because no one played Deathwatch. Pretty simple explanation. You probably have a majority of points of DW in existence lol
@hollyd8989 GW writes rules to sell models. Poorly implemented rules = less of a playerbase at tournaments. GW uses tournaments to get all of their data.
Competitive warhammer coupled with GW writing rules for models leads to an encouragement of "army hopping" rather than dedicating yourself to one faction.
@@joshclark2274 while i agree its dumb, them saying its balanced doesnt mean every faction that was will be in this edition
the moment you stop resisting is the moment they win. It is the sheer venomous response to this that will stop GW. times are changing.
Arch has the right of it.
We must make sure they understand the customers aren't happy with this. Your path is the path of surrender. It is the customer who wields the Power. If we don't voice our anger then the changes will continue at an increased pace.
So. Stay angry. Don't buy from them if you can, And make your voice heard. A company takes an incredible amount of abuse before they change accordingly.
Taking advice from Narchzi is youre first problem.
@@bonkstrum9555 actually he is right. when you stop fighting they win. because the other side will not stop fighting, they will keep shouting and fighting. they will turn 40k in the marvel and starwars, shit. a diverse mess because that is all that matters. not the story, not the fans.
Ah, siding with a nazi sympathizer. Not a good look.
@@bonkstrum9555strange take. Arch is pretty much saying the "They came for the communists and I did nothing because I'm not a communist" line.
Don't get me wrong, I stopped watching Arch videos back in like 2018... The rolling Rs are too much for me.
It's almost as obnoxious as Major Kill mush mouthing school yard profanity.
I totally endorse this message. If you don't care about GW, nothing they do effects your hobby, games or imagination.
Just here to leave the receipt’s:
7th Edition - page 6, paragraph 3, referred to as pronoun ‘his’ ordeal, offered up ‘sons’.
8th Edition - page 14, paragraph 4 "Custodians begin their lives as the infant sons of the noble houses of Terra" "Terran aristocracy have willingly given up almost entire generations of newborn sons to earn it.".
9th edition -
Page 7, paragraph 5 (similar to 8th edition) and
page 8, paragraph 6, referred to as ‘son, nephew’.
An actual fleshed out army of Sisters of Silence ..
I would be all over that in a heartbeat. I love the stories and law that is surrounding Adepta Sororitas, Inquisitors, Imperial Agents and now Sisters of Silence.
There is so much untapped potential for these factions to not only be made standalone, but they would flourish.
"I have dug my grave here, I will triumph or die. No remorse, no pity, no fear"
"Tolerance only leads to treachery and betrayal"
Apathy is death. Tolerance leads to new bonds and forges alliances.
You realize that GW made that quote to poke fun at these brainlets who say this unironically, right? They were always pretty left-leaning.
@@stephenjenkins7971 Tourist.
@@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561 Copium addict. GW has been very blunt that 40k was a satire of authoritarianism. Imagine being such a 🤡 that you proceed to use satire unironically 🤣
Can't say I wholly agree with everything but your point right at the end about your hobby being yours and not theirs is exactly how I've felt about this all for a few years now. I bought a 3d printer and don't give GW money for minis, only the occasional paint. Their crap does not affect me, I am free to paint my little elves and robots and write about them all I want, and I'm free to disregard the absolute cringe that they've tried to pawn off as eldar lore.
In my little group of 6-7 friends who I do play warhammer with, most of us are kinda like this with one notable exception. A guy who focuses way too much on what GW does and gets mad over balance updates and sold and sold two armies after getting upset over how GW decided to change them. I've known these guys for a few years now, and he's done this twice over the course of 10th edition.
If you're gonna get mad over any of GW's decisions and yet keep giving them money, you're shooting yourself in the foot. Make your hobby your own and do what you want.
10:35 bro got a bit to mad there. I agree with him but this infantile reaction is a bit much he was stuttering like crazy
So I’m a massive Custodes fan, and I feel like I occupy a weird space in how people feel about this. Personally I do not even kind of care that there are female Custodes, what I care about is the storytelling. The process is a mystery yada yada and the emperor is quite the pragmatist, so it doesn’t strike me as something that couldn’t happen, but it also seems like something that absolutely does not matter in the grand scheme of things. In the lore, females can’t become space marines because the process destroys their bodies, there is no such precedent for Custodes. That being said, as of right now it feels hamfisted as all hell and I’m excruciatingly disappointed about the disregard for the Sisters of Silence.
The discourse around this is frustrating because of the idiotic echo chambers of both sides of the argument.
GW basically changing almost 40 years of established lore to placate the woke is... disheartening. Keep the Gates, Brothers.
I’m afraid the gates are breached and the city is burning.
Us survivors must band together and build a new community with stronger walls.
GW’s decline is in progress and unless something drastic happens it will continue to diminish until it’s replaced.
Remember Game of Thrones? The Mountain and the Viper? My suspension of disbelief lets me substitute Martell with a well-trained agile woman. It doesn't let me substitute Clegane. Femstodes can't offend me like other retcons (Cawl and the great rift) because it doesn't register in my mind.
Beyond my gaming table is an important cultural artifact. A collaborative endeavour of decades, touched by thousands of artisans. The 40k universe is a masterpiece of my culture, but it has been deformed and vandalised by it's lawful custodians. Just as with any treasured cultural relic, I am angered, even insulted by it's degradation, and sorrowful of its loss.
Are you American? I can only fathom an American saying lore based on toy soldiers is an “important cultural artifact “ lol.
@@MhmComoQuevedoseeing as GW is an English company, what do you think? Are you so out of the loop, not paying attention to their news, that you dont understand how an englishman would be kinda touchy about culture right now?
@@MhmComoQuevedo No, probably British since GW is British-made. Also, you haven't been on the internet long if you think Americans are particularly guilty of this; its far more common elsewhere in braindead political corners. Not that it matters; its still massively cringey.
@MhmComoQuevedo no, not American. And the lore isn't based on toy soldiers. It's inspired by many different histories, fictions, religious texts, British cultural touch stones and wider European/American influence. And then with grim dark extravagance builds on top and below.
I've kinda softened to the idea of female Custodians, I hate how GW introduced them by just saying "They've always existed" despite there being no description of female Custodes. Some writers did include very vague mentions here and there but that really doesn't confirm or back up the argument that female Custodes have existed for over 10 millennia.
Personally, if GW wanted to pull the "They've always existed" and actually give a logical or solid reason as to why, they could've added some lore onto Erda, the mother of the Primarchs, where The Emperor designed a small batch of Custodes to guard her and they just happen to be female to differentiate them from his normal Custodes, lets says there's about 100 of them at maximum, that way, you can introduce the concept of female Custodes, but no in a way that spits in the faces of people who like Custodes and their lore, and it adds to a character that does have a pretty important presence in the universe (or at least in the 30k era to an extent).
Why? This is just the start. 40k has been one of the ironically most diverse lore and game systems for decades whilst others were not.
But because two factions (Custodes & Astartes) are all male they want to forcibly change this.
Don't submit to the taste of that leather boot my friend.
This will get much worse and they'll corrupt & ruin the hobby lore like the cult have done with Star Wars, LOTR. etc
This nonsense is partially your fault north. You tolerated all the small nonsense for so long that GW finally felt they could pull some big shenanigans, and now you have to live with it. This is what you wanted, this is what you had in mind.
They could've used lore and said that the male-only Custodes had to be reinforced with Sisters of Silence taking the vows of a Custodian because they took heavy casualties during the Indomitus Crusade; perhaps because more than a couple thousand of them ran afoul of some traitor Primarchs who decided to mount their golden heads on spikes, so some of the Sisters of Silence got up-jumped into becoming Custodes because they're not only almost as good as the Custodes, but they also know how Custodes act, and that would help them fit in better. That's how you could've made it make sense, instead of pretending that there have always been female Custodes.
GW channeling themselves through the female custodian, kyrith: YOU WILL OBEY!!!
Hey GW NEVER said Orks can't be Custodians ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
1990's WH40K
My Armour is Contempt
My Shield is Disgust
My Sword is Hatred
In the Emperor's name, let none survive
2020's WH40K
My Armor is Transgender
My Shield is Crybully
My Sword is Cancelculture
In DEI's name, force all to be WOKE
You sound like you watch Arch. Super cringe
Is the ‘wokeness’ in the room with us right now?
Cringe af
I wonder how people in the hobby felt back then when Rogue Trader turned into Warhammer 40K, when the emperor was just a regular scientist, the primarchs were just generals and space marines were just psychopathic cops
What I find telling is that something as trivial as this got a far, far, far bigger backlash than Cawl and the Primaris marines…
Primaris Marines was not a retcon but an addition. It brought back a Primarch and gave us new and cool models. And it STILL got a load of pushback and controversy.
So how is it surprising that this created such a storm?
@@northernexile GW went for 10,000 years, there’s for all this time, in fact been a brand new character, actually no, not new, there’s always been a Cawl since like emperor times (like there’s always been female custodes).
He’s a magic tech man, who has in complete and total secret created primaris marines. Science that’s the closest anyone has come to the emperor. Ohh and they are all better than your entire army.
How is someone this universe warping never spoken of by any character? His touch and influence never felt by the imperium or it’s enemies? A character who worked with the emperor yet is never mentioned by him or plays any role in the heresy? The scouring? There’s just nothing. Not even a vague codex paragraph.
Then the project itself. How is that logistically possible? Nobody knew? Nobody noticed? No traitors? No leaks? None of Cawls enemies within the Mechanicus learned what he was doing? No escaped test subjects? No resources needed for this project? It’s as bad as Palpetine and his secret army from episode 9. Awful writing.
Then we have the absurdity of crossing the rubicon being a huge risk, yet every named space marine succeeds. Then that every single space marine chapter is just totally fine with integrating primaris marines, no friction, no conflict, no whiff of heresy.
This is comparable to oh yeah, there’s actually been some female custodes knocking about.
Actually I was around for both and it’s not comparable, because you all seem far more enraged by this than fucking Cawl.
This is adding stuff too, a whole gender in fact. That we got better models is meaningless when it’s the lore that you take issue with. If they released five S tier female custodian models tomorrow and three 5* peak Abnett books you’d still have a problem with it. And imagine your reaction if they decided one of the unnamed primarchs was actually female.
If emperor could stay hidden, why not cawl?
@@danielloaces589 The emperor had quite an advantage as he created the thunder warriors on a mad max style, low tech single world dystopia, where nobody knew anything about him. And being a god tier psyker with precognition probably helps out a bit.
Cawl, without being a god tier psyker, or a precog, being a known entity and major player, achieved primarus in complete and total secret from the high tech mass surveillance of both the mechanicum and the imperium.
Is it impossible no. Is it highly improbable yup. Have GW addressed it after 7 years nope.
@@Cyber_Crows love me emperor
I wouldn't be so annoyed with it if they made female Custodes a new thing (Say Crawl found a way to make female Custodes as A way to quickly replenish the numbers of certain dwindling Custode forces) and made it very clear they are very few and dar between but to say "Yeah there has always been female Custodes" just feels like a slap in the face and makes me question what they will change about other factions I adore..
Uncool thing about the Sisters of Silence is that they actually have a pretty decent unit range in the Liber Imperium for the Horus Heresy.
Unfortunately 90% of those datasheets do not have models representation💀
Exactly. They don't care about the fans who wanted more to prove their apparent representation. Lol
Some of the comments here and this dudes temper tantrum makes me wonder the quality of people around here. Like i stated its wronf how the femstodes where introduced but behaving like an angry toddler like North is, super sad.
I don't mind the femstodes, it's just the effort was so poor. You could have wrote it where thousands of years ago the sisters of silence had struggles trying to fight on their own, so they needed a power boost, they fought for it and got it with the help of male stodes, then it's cool and everyone likes it. But just retconning with a twitter post is shit
Wait, Custodian players are selling their armies because people are making comments of female custodes?
Then you have us Dark Angel players getting “are you really loyalist tho” and “so you play chaos marines” for the last 15 years.
That’s actually really funny
Next up in breaking news... GW retcons lore to introduce the Horus Heresy. Shock! Horror!
I'm surprised north isn't talking about somthing so much more important. The ring of fire protocol from the thuthes show.
How often has this type of thing worked? Is it 0% of the time? You can't throw the lore out, you can add, you can't destroy. The addition has to make sense, too. Can't believe that needs to be said.
I'm against the lore change and how they were implemented not the idea itself. If for example they had Valdor or Valaris go 'our last tithe was insufficient in replenishing our numbers experiment with females or sisters of silence' and this was something NEW and reasonably explored. There wouldn't be as much blow back.
I said for a while, augmented sisters giving them some small stats & rules boost would make them more appealing and able to stick around with their larger MALE Custodian companions.
@@BroadHobbyProjects it would also give them a niche as a super anti psyker/daemon killer. But alas gw is dumb
Sisters of silence are cool , but I'm not into bald with top knot, male or female.
I think you made some good points but there are some pretty hard disagrees in here.
Throughout the rant, you have a extremely negative view of people who are okay with female custodes and GW and believe like they are all acting out of malice. I think your point of 'not everybody who hates female custodes is doing so for bad reasons' should also apply to people who don't mind the change and GW. I think female custodes are alright, and I don't really hold any ill will towards anybody I disagree with, save for the ones who actively bullied people homebrewing female representation before the change.
Second, I also hold the lore in strong regard and strongly dislike Cawl and Primaris, (as well as the Mag'Ladroth rewrite) but I don't think all lore purists are a monolith on opinion. Despite the name, brotherhoods are not always all male (Brotherhood of steel being my go to example) an bioalchemy was never restricted by gender unlike geneseed. While a few old lore excerpts are retconned, I do not think the change is as big as it is made out to be, I don't see a big difference between male and female custodes.
Third, I just don't see female custodes take anything away from sisters of silence, as you said yourself, it's their abilities as blanks and being a elite warrior order that sets them apart and makes them so cool. Custodes where never and are still not that, and lorewise they still complement each other, covering each other's weaknesses. It's even seen in the animation you complained about, as I believe the two protagonists are a custode and a sister of silence, although admittedly I have not had the means to watch Tithe yet.
I think all around it was a alright rant and you have your reasons, but I wanted to speak up, as you acted a bit like those who disagree are some sort of monolith and harbour ill will towards you.
Cheers.
Also, in case anybody tries that tourist nonsense in the replies, I've been playing since I was a kid and have a ton of armies, my main being nearly 200 firstborn Lamenters
in plastic the sisters of silence have:
- 1 squad kit that can be built one of three ways
- 1 character kit that comes with both a sister of silence and a custodes
- the rhino but it's just the space marine rhino, no upgrade kit for it just here take a rhino
in resin they have:
- 1 weapons pack with twin pistols that is heresy only
- 1 black library character model that can be used as a generic hq if chosen
- 1 30k only transport
by contrast the custodes have:
- 8 plastic kits
- 16+ resin kits and upgrade kits
while on the surface level female custodes don't bother in a vacum until i see the real things it really means that gw won't properly expand the sisters of silence because gw will go "oh but we've made it so custodes can be female so we won't be expanding this range in 40k, oh 30k we provided rules but no models for new units we might consider doing when we've run out of tanks for every other faction first and then updated all the xenos range for 40k too
i write this as several times I have attempted to be a sister of silence player in 40k and gw just kept fucking them up on a rules front. last i looked at their rules they weren't even immune to psychic powers they were just resistant which is lame but then this edition psychic powers are lame compared to their glory days back in 7th edition
Gutted to get a 30% weaker Custodian.
Female playing Tyranids are scary.. More scary than female Dark Eldar players..
The original plan for the larger space marine models was simply to replace everyone's entire collection - but GW realised this was going too far so they invented the 'Primaris' as an option (thankfully).
I really love the idea of female Custodes. I know they were introduced just now. They were not planned in the beginning.
But they are here now. And I really, really love it. I play Custodes and have nearly everything of the faction several times. I read everything from the black library concerning them, have all the codices and cherish them.
I hope there will be female models in the future.
The Adeptus Custodes never saw itself as part of the empire. Rules of the empire do no not concern them, do not interest them. The golden palace is a faction itself.
The Sisters of Silence are not part of the Adeptus Custodes, they are their most important allies. But that's it.
There is absolutely no reason, why infant girls cannot become Custodes just like infant boys.
I think the Custodes in this episode is cool like all Custodes are but I can't help but feel like it's forced now. We see way more Female Guard units/characters now which is fine it's a militia whatever. The weirdest part about this is the Sisters of Battle are arguably one of the coolest factions and then you throw in the Sisters of Silence and you have 2 awesome women only groups in 40k and it still isn't enough for the loud minority on twitter. Female space marines in 5 years just watch.
That female custodes looks like Majorkill somehow
Comment of the day, get pinned.
lmaoo😂
I have scaled back to skirmish level games completely. Some kill team but mostly Stargrave, Space station zero, and others. The others being miniature agnostic i print out my crews. GW has not got money from me in a very long time.
Of all the changes GW has made over the years that have bothered me (Primaris being the No1 offender) the female Custodians are the one I want to like the most, but just don't, and the way they handled it, basically lore by Tweet, was just down right disrespectful to the fans who actually took the time to read GWs lore. I own both the 8th ed and 9th ed Custodes Codices even though I don't play the army just so I could have their lore. If they'd had Cawl wave his magical deus ex machina wand and now all of a sudden the Custodes can convert females going forward I'd have given them the side eye and thought "I know way you're doing this, but at this point what's one more asspull to add to Cawls list", but they didn't, they had to make it retroactive, and imo it was too late to make that kind of change. In fact it was too late in 2018 when the first codex landed, you would have to go all the way back to the mid 00s* when GW first started developing the HH as a setting (for a card game of all things) to get to a point where GW could've introduced female Custodes, and do you know what GW did instead? They invented the Sisters of Silence...
*I genuinely don't think many would've minded if GW ignored the Rogue Trader era Custodes fluff because so much of the Rogue Trader fluff in the original BRB had been altered and reworked even before second ed dropped. RT also tended to use 'Man' in a deliberately antiquated way to mean 'Mankind', or simply 'Human'. The Imperium of Man wouldn't have lasted very long if its name was literally true...
Diversity isn’t a bad thing in this hobby, those that disagree need to have a word with themselves and stop being what is bad about the hobby. On another note I wish GW would add some more female options for Astra militarum given that it is a very diverse army. Maybe they could also make an Astra Militarum themed dust pan and brush to make it easier to remove models from the table 😂
A bunch of 3D print content has been created to flesh out the Sisters of Silence -- Speechlessness by 3D designers on the purple site and other places which adds to them instead of trying to shoehorn some female custodes.
Why GW can't just do the same boggles the mind.
Because they don't care. It's all about pleasing a certain shareholder pair who push this aggressive nonsense on most companies they invest in.
It won't stop unless people react with poison.
The reason Custodes arent being played anymore isnt because of the lore change (for some that may be the case, but not the vast majority). The reason people dont play Custodes as much anymore is because their codex rules are complete shit. The lore change was the insult to the injury.
I would like to mention that the lore and the book is how a massive amount of 40k fans interact or discover the hobby. It matters
This vid is so petulent.
I got rid of my Warhammer+ after watching the femstode rubbish.
Custodes were my primary faction, they were the 3rd army I started after tyranids and world eaters. I started collecting them in 2019. I loved custodes, they were the coolest faction imo. Along with the sisters of silence. They were just so cool and unique, 2 organisations working together and fighting as one. I have a 2000+ point army of custodes and sisters of silence. Which is why it hurts to say I will NEVER give another PENNY to another custodes product until femstodes are retconned into oblivion. I've been harrassed, insulted and called every vile name under the sun. Custodes just aren't fun anymore, custodes fan spaces aren't fun anymore. I hate it, and I hate the custodes now....At least I have world eaters still. Or maybe I should just indulge in star wars legion.
I have a Adeptus Custodes army as my secondary. It's gonna be using it for a "War in the Webway" narrative game my friends and I are planning for New Years Eve. In my head canon none of my Custodes are women the only women in my Adeptus Custodes are Sisters of Silence. I love the look of them and the lore behind them.
I am okay with the concept of female custodes however you have to put in the legwork you can't just say "Oh they were always there" bullshit. They weren't. You know it, I know it and games workshop sure as hell knows it.
What they could have said was post Horus Heresy they were desperate for new recruits because they lost I believe it was around 80 to 90% of their force from the War in the Webway and the Siege of Terra. They took any high born infants male or female and put them through the process and a few women managed to become Custodes but it was an extremely low amount like 50 to 100 women tops in the 10,000 managed to survive the process. That way it would explain why there were so seldom seen in the galaxy at large. It's not perfect but it give them plausible believability in the setting.
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I honestly left the community. I still play 40k with my wife and enjoy the books. She, like me, thinks female stodes. Currently working on something I call "purehammer" which is basically warhammer pre-primaris and I go from there using my own lore. The great rift happens, Guilliman doesn't revive fully but managed to tell cawl to awaken the primaris, Cawl's primaris are just upgraded gear and a massive stockpile of marines to act as reinforcements to all chapters. That's about as far a I have gotten since I'm actually writing BL style which is actually pretty hard.
Adeptus Troonstodes arrived and nobody noticed them for thousands of years. Just like Primaris which totally weren't noticed also.
Early commenter, but I have to say, this whole issue makes it so infuriating to play/collect Stodes. I *personally* think it does nothing to clarify/retcon women into the Custodes, but it's SO annoying how controversial it is, that I just groan angrily every time it's joked about or mentioned.
They *could* have just introduced a female Custodian via that Tithes animated short and we could've hit that angle.
I get it: they changed the lore. They fumbled the change. But to me it hurts nothing to include women as Custodes.
Space Marines are still all male. Sisters of Battle are still all female. The fraternity/sorority factions are still there. I still think Sisters of Silence are still cool, and lose nothing ALSO having female Custodians.
Again, all opinion. I get it, I do, but it just doesn't bother me.
I am happy i got my own 3d Printer :)
Games workshop also needs to remember that they work for us. Not the other way around. It’s for this exact reason that I’m starting to explore other games like infinity and one page rules.
One of the things i despise about this the most if u have any remote critique regarding this in certain warhammer groups you looked down upon
How is that any different here? Say that you don't mind the lore changed here and you'll be pilloried.
@@Capt.DanInJapan facts. But in Warhammer groups in real life it hits a little different than internet groups
I plan to use the female custodes as add ons to other models, like a unit of tyranids with their corpses ripped up at their feet, some cut into so I can put the claw going through them.
Or use chaos models to mix match them to show they came from the warp and are enemies of the emperor and the imperium!
The only way that female Astarte's could be introduced is if they were Alpharius. But as people already stated Warhammer already has the sister of silence which in itself could be considered as a non-augmented space marine chapter.
Love the video! Epic Rant! After 25 years, I left the GW hobby and found better games and Lore. It was liberating.
The takeaway for me is that it can be fine for female Custodes, but who is this for? Who wanted this? A small, loud minority is forcing things like diversity and equity, in the worst, communistic sense of the terms, and at the expense of a built in fan base. If i knew that the majority of my viewers wanted me to stick to lifting and they hated my figurine painting, but a tiny minority made fun of my base for being exclusive, who am I going to cater to? My majority audience, of course. Otherwise, I go broke and noone watches my channel. Why?
sure, you get called names.... ist, phobe.... bigot, racist.... but the truth is that the MAJORITY doesn't want it, and they did it anyways. I think the way the new Space Marine 2 is doing on steam speaks for itself. despite the leftist crying for diversity and for us to boycott, they are making money hand over fist by catering to the majority, and we could not be happier. No one is forcing anything. No one is lecturing us. It is just a good game, with a good story, and for the record...... I RUN SISTERS OF BATTLE, so don't tell me I don't want women in the space. They don't even know the lore to begin with.
I want new Living Saints , or more Saint Celestine backstory , or more Lelith Hesperax story . Who the actual fuck asked for Ma'mstode ?
Femstodies were always a pissing contest from Amazon .
Why not bring the sisters of silence? Or make them chaos marines made by the one guy who's name I forget but who's not the emperor
I don't care that there are female custodes. I care that they are not consistant with the lore. Consistency keeps a loyal fan base, making stupid changes that override the years of lore is the dumbest thing they can do and sadly its happening.
My guy the lore has never been consistent