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  • Chris Broussard has an MVP vote, so he lists his top 5 MVP players this season. Nick Wright and Kevin Wildes react to the list that includes Nikola Jokic, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Luka Doncic, Jayson Tatum, and Giannis Antetokounmpo.
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  • @FirstThingsFirst
    @FirstThingsFirst  หลายเดือนก่อน +10

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    • @garyco766
      @garyco766 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This year Jokic is:
      1st in Box +/-
      1st in offensive box +/-
      1st in defensive box +/-
      1st in Value over Replacement Player
      1st in PER
      1st in Win Shares
      1st in Win Shares/48 minutes
      1st in Offensive Win Shares
      2nt in Defensive Win shares (next to Rudy, who didn't make your MVP ballot)
      Basically that's every advanced stat that matters.
      And Jokic is THE player on the best/most feared team in basketball. Without him, they collapse. How is that not MVP? Seriously man.

    • @Zemlja_je_ravna
      @Zemlja_je_ravna หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Jokic +-18.9 this shouldn't even be a debate

  • @jackharrist8180
    @jackharrist8180 หลายเดือนก่อน +487

    Nick will never get over the fact that Brou has a vote but he doesn't 😂 😂

    • @PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88
      @PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      If Nick had a vote, he will try his best to sneak Lebron in some of the categories. lol

    • @EuroGupper
      @EuroGupper หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      Nick is biased

    • @YouReallyDontKnow
      @YouReallyDontKnow หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      @@EuroGupperso is every other media voter, he just happens to have more attention around his opinions.

    • @YouReallyDontKnow
      @YouReallyDontKnow หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88at this stage of lebrons career? He definitely wouldn’t. Nick is a lebron fan, but even he realizes now that lebron is on the tail end of his career there’s just no possible way he can be in the arguments for things like MVP and DPOY when there’s just so many young stars in the league.
      2018 and younger lebron? He’d definitely be voting lebron first for everything lol

    • @silvergold2140
      @silvergold2140 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Thank God He Does Not

  • @MoDeTricKs
    @MoDeTricKs หลายเดือนก่อน +275

    Big respect to Brou for explaining why this Luka year was so impressive with all the injuries that Dallas had, Luka or Jokic not going to be mad if either of them wins it. They gave the MVP to Embiid last year(Because he begged for it on national media) and it should have gone to Joker. That is why Jokic had a head start for MVP and he was amazing again this season ...

    • @jjalkman1999
      @jjalkman1999 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Jokic should win but Luka wouldn't be nearly as bad as Embiid was (who almost made up for it this year by actually playing MVP caliber before the injury).

    • @MoDeTricKs
      @MoDeTricKs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jjalkman1999 Embiid definitely one of the top 5 scariest players in the league this year, And would be top 5 MVP candidate for sure. His play-making out the double team needs to be tested and overcome these playoffs for him to be up there with The Don and Joker.

    • @happyGuru5766
      @happyGuru5766 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Honestly I'm mad Embiid winning MVP last year but this if he actually play more game and not get injured I vote for him MVP.

    • @enterprise9001
      @enterprise9001 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Luka isn’t going to win it and he might not even come in second

    • @dawsnoshift4286
      @dawsnoshift4286 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stop the revisionist history

  • @gonzalorojo6815
    @gonzalorojo6815 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The first dude keeps saying Luka’s late season surge. The dude average 34/9/10 the whole season. Had 73 points in a game back in January. What are you talking about late season surge?

  • @frentury
    @frentury หลายเดือนก่อน +220

    Good job Broussard, as usual

    • @TheMissiIe
      @TheMissiIe หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As usual? The guy gave Embiid MVP because he didn't want Jokic to 3-peat... Brou disregards logic and reason the moment he doesn't like someone

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@TheMissiIe Embiid deserved the award.

    • @LeRicckk
      @LeRicckk หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fr, i agree with all of his picks

    • @TheMissiIe
      @TheMissiIe หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @penkima4923 no he didn't. Jokic had by far the better stats. Not to mention Jokic is the overwhelming favourite until Perk and his rxcist comments made voters scared of being called out

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@TheMissiIe Their stats were nearly equal. But Embiid is the better defender.

  • @raleighstein9227
    @raleighstein9227 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    Most assists in a season by a center:
    708 - Jokic this season
    702 - Wilt Chamberlain
    678 - Jokic last season
    Joker just recorded the most assists ever by a center over a 2 season span.

    • @shibity
      @shibity หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Jokic is great. One of those guys who deserves to be top 3 MVP candidate every year.

    • @TeeeWal
      @TeeeWal หลายเดือนก่อน

      And Luka still finished with 1st in points and 2nd in assists, along with having 52.6 rpa per game… so what does this help with Jokic lol

    • @antonquirgst2812
      @antonquirgst2812 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TeeeWal I totally want Luka to win it too, although advanced metrics would overall prefer Jokic, (as he surely has better defense as well due to sheer size)... still I do hope Luka wins it after this montrosity (in a good way) of a season even by his very high standards!

    • @Redline-jm5cd
      @Redline-jm5cd หลายเดือนก่อน

      Give it to Luka magic! Eos

    • @ReAIex17
      @ReAIex17 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@antonquirgst2812 I like both players but its between Luka winning his first and Jokic winning his third, and they normally vote for the guy that didnt get it yet

  • @rancehamilton4683
    @rancehamilton4683 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Brou is probably the most logical analyst on TV. He obviously watches games and votes for the most deserving candidate

    • @Kruppt808
      @Kruppt808 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Idk that Westbrook pity vote the other year😂😂😂😂
      Nah but you are 1000% correct, he doesn't do the "hot take" stuff, at least not purposely. He has been consistent these last 10-15 years I've seen him on TV on what he says, values year to year.

    • @rancehamilton4683
      @rancehamilton4683 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Kruppt808 I hope there is some kind of voter reform for next season. SAS leaving a 50 win player who’s averaging 34,9,10 out of his top 5 was maybe the wildest take I’ve ever heard. Then went on to talk about SGA leading the league in assist 😂. It’s obvious his vote has nothing to actually do with basketball.

  • @scavengertag
    @scavengertag หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    Thanks for not spoiling in the title! Too many shows do this.

    • @codyb.3015
      @codyb.3015 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This show has done it regularly, so hopefully this means they won't anymore.

  • @dponedeep
    @dponedeep หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Luka getting his respect !!

  • @MrFROLAC
    @MrFROLAC หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Fair play to Brou, the real analyst. He mentioned the stats, and the injuries, absolutely the most transparent NBA analyst as of today!

  • @MarvyG23
    @MarvyG23 หลายเดือนก่อน +459

    Luka is my MVP

    • @AndYouAre
      @AndYouAre หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Definitely the best season this year. Jokic to me barely gets the nod based on advanced analytics.

    • @exzicution
      @exzicution หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      I’m with you but the nba media sucks

    • @terryhoward8119
      @terryhoward8119 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Nah, joker is the mvp

    • @stefasaurus2476
      @stefasaurus2476 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Good thing you don’t vote

    • @abe-love
      @abe-love หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stefasaurus2476so

  • @timocruz510
    @timocruz510 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Chris "He's bouncy" Broussard

  • @rogerhernandez8899
    @rogerhernandez8899 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    “I got Wemby number one, Joe Berry number 2…….”

  • @elidavis9538
    @elidavis9538 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Chris Broussard will go down on the right side of history

  • @icyballerj5857
    @icyballerj5857 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    34/9/9 is to good to not win
    Carrying the most injured team in the whole league to 50 wins in the hardest confrence probably ever(2024 west)

  • @bjensen
    @bjensen หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Jokic gets his team better shots than anyone else on any other team, especially in crunch time. Whether it is a dunk for Gordon, a post move from Jokic, or an open 3 for MPJ or KCP, Jokic gets them better shots.
    That's why he's so good and the Nuggets win close games.

  • @user-pf8jj3fx9y
    @user-pf8jj3fx9y หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    FINALLY! Luka is being recognized.

  • @noli0408
    @noli0408 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    can't complain with brou's vote

  • @KamiiFB14
    @KamiiFB14 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    stats on teammates consistency was perfect to understand luka's season

  • @matthewsawczyn6592
    @matthewsawczyn6592 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    "Serbian Twitter accounts" 😆

  • @sensei_of_stealth
    @sensei_of_stealth หลายเดือนก่อน

    When nick says “Ok stop” 🤣

  • @Reen579
    @Reen579 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Nick really trying to make "buttress" work these past few days 😂

  • @Davian_James
    @Davian_James หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    As a Nugget fan, I'm fine with Luka winning. But for Brou to ignore Murray missing 23 games (by not mentioning his name) but made sure to name Irving missing 24, (which the last two he sat out because the Mavs had nothing to gain) is thr kind of the stuff that pisses my off about the debate. Clowns.

    • @tubbsthabarber4507
      @tubbsthabarber4507 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      For some perspective I will say that the Mavs had the most inured team in the league this season with players who contributed a minimum of 10 minutes a game missing a combined 200 games. Yes Murray missed time but Luka didn’t have a single lineup play 100 minutes together until after the trade deadline 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @DonRobinho97
    @DonRobinho97 หลายเดือนก่อน +138

    Chris Broussard knows ball. He’s the only one in media who actually deserve to have a vote.

    • @tayche1
      @tayche1 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      He should take rob parkers and have 2

    • @NikolaIvanovic-pu7hg
      @NikolaIvanovic-pu7hg หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      His reasoning when it comes to MVP is so wrong.
      Jokic was the MVP as a 6th seed playing WITHOUT Jamal Murray and Michael Porter. That is why he was the MVP in the first place. If Jamal was healthy and Denver was 6th Jokic wouldn't win the MVP.
      But now because Jokic was the MVP as a 6th seed we will give the MVP to the 5th seed who plays WITH Kyrie Irving and not WITHOUT him? What is next? A player wins the MVP as a 5th seed playing on a team with 3 Hall of Fame teammates in their prime?

    • @damroll
      @damroll หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@NikolaIvanovic-pu7hgkyrie was out 1/3 of the season and Luka is having historically great season, individually.
      I am not mad if Jokic wins but I think Luka certainly does have a case to win it.

    • @ImGayWhenISayThisBut
      @ImGayWhenISayThisBut หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@damrollyou completely ignored the point he brought up though.
      Kyrie played 5800% more games than Jamal did. Kyrie is a 1st ballot HOFer still in his prime.
      Jokic missed MPJ & Murray combined for 155 games which is more games than ALL of Luka’s teammates combined. Then add in the the injuries to the other role players/starters on that team.
      Jokic winning as 6th was the biggest carry job ever. Luka did not carry anything. If he did? It was for a very short period of time.

    • @uncletido99
      @uncletido99 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@ImGayWhenISayThisBut I think Brou has Luka and Jokic tied and like Nick stated, tie goes to the guy who doesn't have one

  • @marckus6777
    @marckus6777 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    I got Nikola for MVP, great segment 🔥💯

  • @CCCoNeTiMe
    @CCCoNeTiMe หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Brou went for Rudy as DPOY on his radio show.

  • @zukusenryu
    @zukusenryu หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    It’s not all about seeding. Jokić has the better individual stats than Luka.
    Including totals because that needs to be a big factor that Jokic was out there more than Shai and Luka
    10th in ppg (5th in total)
    4th in RPG (3rd in total)
    3rd APG (2nd in total)
    2nd in field goals made
    8th in steals
    58.3 field goal %
    65% true shooting
    9th in minutes played
    1st in PER
    1st in win shares
    1st box plus/minus
    1st in VORP
    1st in PIE
    1st in Raptor
    2nd in triple doubles
    On floor +11.6
    Off floor -8.4
    On/off = +20
    Jokic played in 9 more games than Luka which is over 10% of the season

    • @tellsteveharveyidontwanthe2283
      @tellsteveharveyidontwanthe2283 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      theres a reason why jokic is nr 1 in every advanced metric plus dont forget denvers bench is 28th in productin the 3rd worst in the league

    • @Smido83
      @Smido83 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Dude... Dallas rested their entire starters the last 2 games, cause they had nothing to play for... if you wanna count those games it just shows how desperate you are. Luka had to do more with way less because of a plathera of injuries to the entire roster. You made the same argument for Jokic 2 years ago. Now its Lukas turn.
      Not to mention all those advanced metrics are so good, cause Denver plays their great starting lineup way more minutes then any other team in the league. Noone is even close. And you have no other big with NBA quality as a backup. And your bench overall is one of the worst of the entire NBA. So of course his advanced numbers are through the roof.

    • @readmycomment3707
      @readmycomment3707 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Cope loser Lukas better

    • @readmycomment3707
      @readmycomment3707 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Btw EPM is a more reliable stat and Lukas ahead of Jokic in that

    • @zukusenryu
      @zukusenryu หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Smido83 okay even if you take away all the advanced stats Jokić has better box score stats. Sorry but Luka isn’t getting rewarded for playing less games than Jokic. Total points/rebounds/assists matter too

  • @iArijan
    @iArijan หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Brou is a people’s man

  • @Lukcv88
    @Lukcv88 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great arguments Brou!

  • @RockstarxQ
    @RockstarxQ หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Broussard is spot on

  • @haunter93til
    @haunter93til หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    as a kid I would've been saying Luka for MVP, as a grown man now I would say Jokic and it comes down to efficiency, impact on winning, and the deep metrics PER, +/-, availability, win shares, defensive win shares. and with all that into consideration, it is clearly Jokic.

    • @ResearcherQuian
      @ResearcherQuian หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I love Luka and I am a Mavs fan since Dirk and I want SGA to win it. But you are right, it is clearly Jokic. They are just trying to find ways to explain why they are going Luka or SGA but nah, definitely Jokic.

    • @kingjaydex7464
      @kingjaydex7464 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Most people in sports media don’t follow advanced impact metrics unfortunately. They see Jokic 26-13-9 to Luka 34-9-9 and they think Luka has a far bigger impact

    • @ShaySeazon
      @ShaySeazon หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kingjaydex7464 that’s not true, jokic is going to win mvp this year lol

    • @user-fq3jb1nj2g
      @user-fq3jb1nj2g หลายเดือนก่อน

      #77

    • @enmorot
      @enmorot หลายเดือนก่อน

      Completely agree. A younger version of me might have had Luka at first. But because of the reasons you brought up, it's hard to argue against Jokic. His value to Denver is insane.

  • @nicksteadman6823
    @nicksteadman6823 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Nuggets didn’t get the 1st seed so no reason to rob Luka of his historic season.
    I remember when Luka first came to the NBA and I was wondering how much better could he possibly get and here we are!!!
    34 pts, 9.8 assists, 9.2 rebounds, 49% FG, 38% 3p% 🔥🔥🔥

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Luka has the 4th best stats this season, if we exclude Embiid.

    • @toshirohitsugaya857
      @toshirohitsugaya857 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@penkima4923 The 4th? Lol. If you add points + assists + rebounds together you have the greatest statistical season since the merger of ABA and NBA

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toshirohitsugaya857 Who cares. If you add all the other stats to that, you get the 4th best statistical numbers this season.

    • @toshirohitsugaya857
      @toshirohitsugaya857 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@penkima4923 Absolutely not. On what basis do say that exactly?

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@toshirohitsugaya857 I'm just looking at the PER.

  • @Boomi_Dog
    @Boomi_Dog หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Wait did Brou just pronounce Gobert’s name the way I think he did…

    • @TheMOnkeyballs69
      @TheMOnkeyballs69 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Jo-bert 😂

    • @Monotony619
      @Monotony619 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probs cos in french the g is normally a j sound. To my knowledge.

    • @tooglianprimus15
      @tooglianprimus15 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Monotony619I thought that was Italian

    • @Monotony619
      @Monotony619 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tooglianprimus15 I think many European countries to be fair

    • @Kruppt808
      @Kruppt808 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You forgot Brou lived in New Orleans, he knows the French dialect 😂😂😂😂

  • @sportsguy25
    @sportsguy25 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Gobert being a now 4 time DPOY is a mockery of the award itself

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What seasons did he not deserve it?

    • @TheGoatLocker
      @TheGoatLocker หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@penkima4923the seasons his "defense" got exposed in the playoffs and cost his team a series win.

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@TheGoatLocker The DPotY-award is a regular season award.

    • @zackhicks5320
      @zackhicks5320 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@penkima4923 so if the MVP is bounced out in the first round, that’s fine?

    • @AaronMich90
      @AaronMich90 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zackhicks5320 dirk did lol

  • @AnthonyBrown-xd2lw
    @AnthonyBrown-xd2lw หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jokic MVP. Number one in efficiency rating, box Plus/Minus OFF & DEF and win shares. Tell the whole story. Jokic, Luka & SGA

  • @cptsketch13
    @cptsketch13 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Brou's Wemby estimates are better than Wildes and I love Wildes.

  • @jordanwalker6819
    @jordanwalker6819 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    It is illogical to have tatum over giannis

    • @ShaySeazon
      @ShaySeazon หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      best player on the best team, you can definitely make an argument for hi; not as the MVP but as a 3-4 guy in the ballot for sure.

    • @treychapo1898
      @treychapo1898 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Having him over Brunson is the bigger problem to me, Brunson looked like the overwhelmingly better player than Tatum all year and he is a 2nd seed without another all star

    • @jammer9941
      @jammer9941 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Here's the thing you don't have to like it but there is a valid argument for it. You had a guy who averaged 30 last year willing sacrifice his scoring numbers to seamlessly integrate two very good players resulting in easily the best record in the NBA and in terms of net rating and average point differential a top 5 team all time. Certainly not a flashy look at my numbers argument but in terms of results effective.

    • @jordanwalker6819
      @jordanwalker6819 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @jammer9941 is that the argument for tatum being MORE VALUABLE than giannis?

    • @skillethead15
      @skillethead15 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s the wins. 64 wins and the next best team won 57 games. Meanwhile, the Bucks have been trash since Doc took over. Giannis doesn’t deserve to be above Tatum.

  • @jeremyellismusic
    @jeremyellismusic หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That defensive rating impact stat is flawed mainly for the reason that these guys are all starters. when they step on/off the court usually a bench guys are playing for either team. The FG% allowed stat is much more legit because it's only about their direct personal impact.

  • @nackdrums7909
    @nackdrums7909 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6:43 Rudy Jobert?😂

  • @milosmomcilovic4166
    @milosmomcilovic4166 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love for both of them from 🇷🇸...Hope they match up in West finals... Whoever wins MVP out of two of them is fine by me

  • @killerwhale9247
    @killerwhale9247 หลายเดือนก่อน

    why is the audio so silent

  • @SimpleJack-69
    @SimpleJack-69 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Jaxson Hayes can play though" Wildes 🐐

  • @bradpote2446
    @bradpote2446 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    MVP should be voted every months to avoid end of the season bias and media narratives.
    At the end of the year you do the math a and the best players win.
    Also, if a player is hurt for a month he won t be voted that month. And that will pénalise him at the end of the year when cumulating points.

    • @sleepnot4804
      @sleepnot4804 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      you hav the player of the month for that to let you know

  • @colebryant1108
    @colebryant1108 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brou’s one knock on SGA is that his teammates played games? What are we doing 😂 it’s SGA fellas

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jokic's and Luka's teammates were injured.

  • @kelleywhitehurst3180
    @kelleywhitehurst3180 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They like the advanced metrics to make a case for defensive player of the year, but ignore the advanced metrics for MVP.
    Win Shares : Jokic
    Offensive Win Shares : Jokic
    Defensive Win Shares : Jokic
    Offensive Box +/- : Jokic
    Defensive Box +/- : Jokic
    Box Plus Minus : Jokic
    Value over replacement : Jokic
    Player Efficiency Rating : Jokic
    Triple doubles : Jokic 2nd

  • @TheNostalgiaFiend
    @TheNostalgiaFiend หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My MVP vote goes to -
    FIRST THINGS FIRST
    Thanks for all of the constant entertainment....for years now guys!

  • @jesstiss222
    @jesstiss222 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yall forget the circumstances of Joker’s first 2 MVPs already … Jokić and the Nuggets literally changed the game by building around their #41 draft pick as a Point Center, the same way Steph changed the league previous by leading to the small ball era!
    Jokić was the Wemby-esque enigma of that time, with the individual and team success all on his shoulders. It was a completely different situation

  • @PhilTheNeed
    @PhilTheNeed หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jokic should win it I’m sorry the most dominate player we’ve ever seen

  • @corey2232
    @corey2232 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Can't believe Nick finally persuaded Brou to join the Luka bandwagon! Nice job!

  • @DanieldeBavaria
    @DanieldeBavaria หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Brou is just good, I hope Luka will win his deserved MVP-Trophy.

    • @colbypook647
      @colbypook647 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not deserving and won’t win

  • @frankgreco4694
    @frankgreco4694 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    1. Jokic
    2. Luka
    3. SGA
    4. Giannis
    5. Brunson
    Would have been mine but honestly 6 players have an argument and none of them would be a bad MVP.

    • @alejandrosierra3743
      @alejandrosierra3743 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same as u but switching 1 and 2

    • @Zemlja_je_ravna
      @Zemlja_je_ravna หลายเดือนก่อน

      Award should go to the MVP - "most" valuable player, means it needs to go the the best. That is Jokic by all means.

  • @kghd2647
    @kghd2647 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    1:17 Brou says that as if Tatum doesn't have multiple guys on his team that are borderline All NBA guys
    Meatriding off the charts

  • @geoforce6228
    @geoforce6228 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Jokic won mvp as 6th seed on a team that would be worst in the nba without him, with campazzo as starting point guard. That nuggets team wasn’t even an nba team without jokic. It’s not the same case with Luka AT ALL. Gotta love how these analysts refuse to use logic.

    • @ghawkins816
      @ghawkins816 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      That Dallas team with Gafford, Washington, Jones, and Hardaway ain't a good team either, especially considering how many games Kyrie missed. Gotta love how fans see it differently for their guy instead of being unbiased.
      I just watched Jokic get drugged by Wemby in a game he needed to get the one seed. That can't happen to The MVP.

    • @justindavid9979
      @justindavid9979 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ghawkins816 MVPs can have off nights. Stef laid an egg in THREE games of the '16 Finals as the only unanimous MVP in NBA history. (Bron did the same in the '11 Finals.) Embid laid eggs during the entire postseason last year. He also famously went scoreless in a previous game against the Raptors, shooting 0 for 11. Jokic was simply suboptimal against the Spurs, at 3 assists shy of a triple double.
      You left out KYRIE as a Luka teammate, along with the Mavs +/- with him on the court and Luka sitting, compared to Denver's +/- when Jokic is sitting (the latter of which was geoforce's main point that you have yet to address).

    • @justindavid9979
      @justindavid9979 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ghawkins816 I'll address it for you. In +/-, Jokic is #1 in the League this season. Luka is 20th, with "Gafford, Washington, Jones, and Hardaway" on his team.

    • @cmc2110
      @cmc2110 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mavs ain’t making the play-in’s without Luka

    • @Acradus
      @Acradus หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@justindavid9979gawking those “advanced stats” doesnt make you the genius you think it does lol
      +/- is the ultimate team stat about whether the lineup fits together. Of course jokic fits in the lineup… hes the star C for the team and lead playmaker

  • @jevonjohnson5797
    @jevonjohnson5797 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brou prédication was closest

  • @Redline-jm5cd
    @Redline-jm5cd หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Luka is my MVP this year hands down

  • @abhinavaman08
    @abhinavaman08 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gobert and Davis nearly plays 40+minutes in close games. Wemby barely plays 32mins. Hence the first stat of point differential when player is out of game shouldn't be considered.

  • @intheshell35ify
    @intheshell35ify หลายเดือนก่อน

    I give defense to Wemby. I'm a sucker for the cup off the fingertips on a block. It looks so dominant.

  • @gonzalorojo6815
    @gonzalorojo6815 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jokic lost the number 1 seed with all starters playing in the second to last game against the worst team in the league. How come people not talk about this?

  • @jimmysweat2200
    @jimmysweat2200 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Now imagine adding Ben Simmons to the team

  • @SimpleSock
    @SimpleSock หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    1. Jokic
    2. Luka
    3. SGA
    4. Giannis
    5. Brunson

    • @enmorot
      @enmorot หลายเดือนก่อน

      My list too. I would be ok with SGA at 2, but Luka deserves the nod.

    • @zukusenryu
      @zukusenryu หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same I got but have Brunson and Giannis flipped. But I don’t have an issue with Giannis at 4

  • @dilwalecricket
    @dilwalecricket หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Joker is the MVP. They have the same win loss record as OKC. I won’t be mad if Luka wins but joker has been the MVP from day one and has achieved nothing but wins and amazing stats

    • @donttrendonme
      @donttrendonme หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Luka is on an unstable team and still competing by throwing up all time numbers

    • @Jomitheelf
      @Jomitheelf หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well Jokic was MVP based on those leaked MVP votes.

    • @benbretel3697
      @benbretel3697 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Luka mvp

    • @christianwestbrook6477
      @christianwestbrook6477 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Luke is barely behind them tho that makes no sense you act like the nuggets have 10 more wins wtf there 3rd 😂 luka stats are better and nuggets without jokic is better than mavs without Luka which means luka is more valuable

    • @morgann6
      @morgann6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you didn’t pay attention to what broussard said?

  • @timocruz510
    @timocruz510 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I get the Luka box score appeal, but check out the Mavs' offence with Luka on the court vs. Kyrie, kinda comparable.
    Now look at the Nuggets offence with Jokic on/off... it's night and day. Jokic + bench unit is a 122 off rating... that's insane

    • @hiphopotamus69
      @hiphopotamus69 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Jokic never plays with bench players so if he is off the court most of Denver’s starters are off the court. That juices his on/off metric dramatically.

    • @rodericksasu6976
      @rodericksasu6976 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Bro you just said it "kinda comparable with *Kyrie* ". Like that's not a factor. It's Kyrie. Lol.

    • @Joe_Ma99
      @Joe_Ma99 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Their back up centers are cheeks and everyone knows it…got anything else?

    • @timocruz510
      @timocruz510 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hiphopotamus69 Wrong, the team's rating with Jokic and no other starter in the lineup is still 122... Jamal and MPJ w no Jokic isn't even over 110... It's staggering. He's insanely valuable

    • @timocruz510
      @timocruz510 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Joe_Ma99 Yeah him and Bench players have an offensive rating of 122 on the court
      He's better than Luka he's just not insanely ball dominant
      We'll see who's more valuable if they meet in the playoffs. I'm a Luka fan too

  • @actuallyfactual006
    @actuallyfactual006 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Factually speaking Luka’s season is not relative to what Jokic did as a 6th seed… Kyrie this season has better numbers (even a 50/40/90 season) than Jokic’s team mates two years ago COMBINED (as MPJ & Murray both missed the whole season)
    Luka’s second best player this year Kyrie is having a greater season than Jamal Murray despite them both playing the same amount of games… in the games Luka actually PLAYED the Mavs were 46-24, the games Jokic PLAYED the Nuggets were 55-24 which is a NINE GAME win difference. Add to that, the Mavs actually have a WINNING record when Kyrie plays and Luka doesn’t; but a LOSING record in the games Luka played but Kyrie didn’t.
    Finally, last year Nick’s argument in favour of Embiid was that Philly won more games than the Nuggets in a tougher conference (54wins vs 53wins) plus Embiid was the better defender… Big surprise now THIS SEASON all of that actually applies in favour of Jokic, and it has to go out the window 🤔

  • @johnbarkley925
    @johnbarkley925 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    TO ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE JOKIC IS THE MVP this year.
    - he played more games than other MVP candidates, had the tied best record in the West with his best teammate miss 25 games.
    - Jokić was fifth in total points, third in total rebounds, second in total assists, and eighth in total steals. He’s the only player in NBA history to be top-10 in all four categories in a single season.
    - Jokić led the entire league in on/off offensive efficiency with plus-18.9 points per 100 possessions.
    -He was first in total plus-minus at plus-682.
    Jokić was first in VORP (Value Over Replacement Player), PER (Player Efficiency Rating), Win Shares, Offensive Win Shares, Box Plus/Minus, Offensive Box Plus/Minus, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus.
    - Every single Nuggets starter had a higher effective field goal percentage with Jokić on the floor compared to him off it.
    -Jokić was the only player in the league that averaged at least 25 points, 10 rebounds, and 9 assists. He's the sixth player to ever put up these numbers.
    - Jokic was second in total at-rim assists and total two-point assists.
    - He was first in total steals by a center.
    - Jokić was fifth in total deflections in the NBA.
    - He was second in the NBA in non-restricted painted area field goal percentage at 61.7 percent (minimum 100 attempts).
    - He finished second in total points in the painted area.
    - Jokić was first in post-up points and assists.
    - He also led the league in total points and total assists from the elbows.
    Jokić recorded the second-most double-doubles in the league with 68 and the second-most triple-doubles with 25.
    - Nikola had 21 games of 25-point triple-doubles, which led the league.

    • @h98986
      @h98986 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fantastic analysis. Unfortunately, these pundits are married to their bad takes from the past i.e. Jokic is the worst MVP since Dave Cowens.
      And that's what determines their votes, not the evidence. Absolute disgrace.

  • @wilhen1000
    @wilhen1000 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I understand what they are saying about Luca. But was someone having a similar year as Joker when he was a sixth seed and won the mvp?

    • @jdankerdake
      @jdankerdake หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jokic led the league in all the advanced metrics that year: PER, WS, WS/48, BPL, and VORP (and the year before, and the year after, and this year).

  • @tompratt7125
    @tompratt7125 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    CB argues for Luka by saying Jokic once won MVP as a sixth seed. What he conveniently omits is that Jokic's two primary competitors for the award that year were Giannis and Embiid who played on teams that won 50 games The Nuggets won 48--no appreciable difference. Nuggets were a lower seed because they were in the much tougher west. No comparison to this year's race. CB also continues to ignore on off plus minus, or in other words what is a team's net rating when a certain player is on the court and what is it when they're off? Jokic leads the league by a mile. Luke is a distant 25th. Jokic has more impact on winning than any player,

    • @abhinavaman08
      @abhinavaman08 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thats what happens mate, people just remember winners, not the story behind it.

    • @micahcraig3898
      @micahcraig3898 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Your argument is flawed in so many ways. First of all you said joker season with 48 came when the west was extremely strong and competitive and that's why he didn't win as many games. Have you completely ignored the juggernaut that is the west right now?? You have teams that would place in top four in the east fighting for a playin spot in the west. That point is poorly made. And you saying plus minus (a literal stat that is heavily criticized because it is wildly inconsistent and downright inaccurate at times saying that absolutely terrible players have a great plus minus therfore they are good. When plus minus is literally dependant on who's on the court at the same time with you. ) but you want to use that it determines who's more impactful to winning? That's not even the purpose of the stat, it's actually used to determine lineup effectiveness, not individual greatness. How about we use a more realistic stat of winning with vs without that player. Jokers team is 2-1 without him, small sample but they are still solid and mostly likely above .500 without him. Lukas team is 4/8 without him literally a .333, I'll even be generous and remove the last two games they lost which makes them 4/6 which is still well below .500. Oh and by the way, those 8 losses would make up the difference in their records with dallas at 50 at Denver at 57. Mvp is the best player among the best teams who is doing the most and if you think that is joker, more power to you. But that is a terrible method for measuring mvp. Imo but who cares

    • @connor_phillipz5689
      @connor_phillipz5689 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Jokic's on off numbers are massively skewed by Denver's rotations. If Luka played the same line shift rotations that Jokic does his on off numbers would not be any worse. And the West this sesson is significantly stronger than the year Jokic won as a 6 seed and Luka got his team to 50 wins. Your arguments are hollow.

    • @pmpster5
      @pmpster5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lol sure. but when jamal is out, nuggets take a step back.

    • @pmpster5
      @pmpster5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      learn rotations. joker gets high numbers a PER because the way they rotate. everyone on that team tends to have positive +/- because they rotate any moment a minus happens

  • @keynanvarnado7592
    @keynanvarnado7592 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If we're going by on/off metrics and winning isn't that important, Herb Jones should be DPOY. His on/off for a wing defensively is insane.

  • @rUserious-qo1qk
    @rUserious-qo1qk หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tell me why this background music is kinda 🔥

  • @nikhilprasad8115
    @nikhilprasad8115 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    1. Jokic (on/off numbers are insane)
    2. SGA (young team, #1 seed)
    3. Luka (great final push)
    4. Brunson (2 seed with many injuries)
    5. Giannis (team plays no D w/o him)

    • @justindavid9979
      @justindavid9979 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good pick for #4. Tatum's team would probably still be a top seed without him.

  • @Saylin021
    @Saylin021 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    They are arguing against thin air here. No one is using the wins/seeding argument against Luka

    • @MarvyG23
      @MarvyG23 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      Some people do

    • @ismaeel_914
      @ismaeel_914 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      True story if it was lebron they would’ve said seed matters

    • @exzicution
      @exzicution หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Then he should win it

    • @shepheardsounds3342
      @shepheardsounds3342 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      They have been

    • @tayche1
      @tayche1 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Bill simmons was lol

  • @ottoman5713
    @ottoman5713 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brou 100% agree

  • @lightswitch1483
    @lightswitch1483 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The Celtics are +77 in games Tatum didn't play, the team is stacked. Im not trying to hear no Tatum MVP noise lol

  • @gsp3428
    @gsp3428 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nicks reasoning for DPOY is precisely why you shouldnt ever give him a vote, because he doesnt think Gobert deserves 4 or Davis deserves one for his career, you give it to the best defensive player who had the most impact, simple as that. And Wemby should absolutely be the defensive player of the year, never seen a guy block and alter so many shots.

  • @markula_4040
    @markula_4040 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If Wemby wins DPOY as a rookie, what is to stop him from just winning it every year? The only thing I can think of is voter fatigue or injuries keeping him from 65 games.

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If the voters start watching Wemby's games or his stats, then Wemby won't be winning more DPotY-awards.

  • @nikolapanic9614
    @nikolapanic9614 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Other guys are amazing, but Jokic is bringing most value to his team.

  • @kelvinperez2702
    @kelvinperez2702 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If SGA, according to Brou, is the most clutch player in the league, averaging 30, and has the number one seed in the west, how is he not MVP

  • @KW-md1bq
    @KW-md1bq หลายเดือนก่อน

    The on/off the court impact stats at 7:34 are not how you should vote for DPOY. Stars sub straight back in if the bench loses a lead. The garbage time minutes that the superstars are off the floor are not high-quality data to make your DPOY votes or any projections from.

  • @alechelgeland9761
    @alechelgeland9761 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I felt for Nick when he tried to say you’re insane if you think the Lakers defense is the same without him and they cut him off lmao

  • @NiKi-ij2ln
    @NiKi-ij2ln หลายเดือนก่อน

    Agree with Brou 100%

  • @justingabriel1765
    @justingabriel1765 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You know I haven’t been paying attention this season and like a couple weeks ago I asked myself why are we putting Luka in this tier with Giannis and Jokic and Embid when they all won mvps and he hasn’t really been at that level, then I see people talking about luka for mvp, so maybe it’s the right question to ask atm

  • @rossmoodie8202
    @rossmoodie8202 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Best segment on this show ! Pity we can only have it once a year.

  • @jonnyharding3646
    @jonnyharding3646 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Was legitimately shocked when he had Jokic number 2. Let's go Luka MVP!

  • @TheDiaboliq666
    @TheDiaboliq666 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brou, hat of to you!

  • @patton72010
    @patton72010 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Joe-Bear at number 2 6:43

  • @kshaun84
    @kshaun84 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like how Brou reason for Tatum is that the Celtics were the best team. Nothing about the player .. But everything was about Boston. Jalen overall had a better season.

  • @jdankerdake
    @jdankerdake หลายเดือนก่อน

    And Wemby put up those numbers in less than 30 minutes per game! Shaq played 38 mpg as a rookie.

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Shaq wasn't 7'5".

  • @fbhombal
    @fbhombal หลายเดือนก่อน

    Media finally realizing that if they give it to Jokik or SGA and then Luka ends up beating both of them to get to the finals, they will really look dumb.

  • @milanbabic7017
    @milanbabic7017 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've got a surprise to you haters - Luka is also a Serbian only from Slovenia. Probably originated from Bosnia.

  • @aonr3465
    @aonr3465 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Brou will be on the right side of history when we look back at this season!!

  • @LavrencicUrban
    @LavrencicUrban หลายเดือนก่อน

    I AGREE WITH EVERY POINT BROU MADE.

  • @gam1ngloko
    @gam1ngloko หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stephen A and Skip must be stripped of their voting rights next season. They vote based on their feelings

  • @OfficialSwisher
    @OfficialSwisher หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Luka is an MVP once he crosses half court, Joker is an MVP only within 7 feet of the hoop. Even then, guys like Zion and Wemby and Giannis are better.

  • @matthewlu1337
    @matthewlu1337 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gotta give Broussard his flowers. Overall solid list and the points he makes for Luka are knowledagble and actual good points

  • @andreas_kuenster
    @andreas_kuenster หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why do they even vote. Give the fans 20% of the votes, the media 20%, the Refs 10% and Players and Coaches get the other 50% of the votes. Like it is, it's just ridiculous.

  • @HiQuis
    @HiQuis หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lead the league in scoring while pretty much averaging a triple double. There should be nothing to discuss

  • @user-th7tf2hy4s
    @user-th7tf2hy4s หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gobert not winning DPOY is just disrespectful.. MIN won 56games and was the best defense in the league and the only reason for that is Gobert..

  • @bonedale
    @bonedale หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brou's MVP voting is founded in the same logic as presidential voting

  • @UnconventionalReasoning
    @UnconventionalReasoning หลายเดือนก่อน

    Eight players have three or more MVPs: Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar, M.Malone, Magic Johnson, Bird, Jordan, and James. All of them were recognized as future greats by at least their second year (Malone started in the ABA so it's a bit weird.) In the past decade, with three back-to-back MVPs, Curry, Antetokounmpo, and Jokić, it took until their fourth or fifth year to make the All-Star team, they needed more time to develop than the other all-time greats.

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Giannis and Jokic came from Europe, so it was the league that had to develop. Not the players. Same with Steph, who transformed the game. And all of them were lower draft picks.

    • @UnconventionalReasoning
      @UnconventionalReasoning หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@penkima4923 Both Giannis and Jokic had to develop. Steph had to develop. The other greats I listed hit the ground running.

  • @Vega_Sports
    @Vega_Sports หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man I hope they give Wemby his DPOY

  • @Luis-sy6gl
    @Luis-sy6gl หลายเดือนก่อน

    Actually brou was closer to Wemby predictions