Chase from Edison Motors did say that it was extremely easy to work with Scania as an engine supppier compared to the better known engine producer in the NA market
Edison Motors is doing the same thing you guys are with the diesel electric semi, and according to Chase, the owner, they will be sourcing engines threw Scania.
Edison's focus is more in what they refer to as "vocational heavy duty trucks." Basically, short-haul, niche trucks (snow plow, logging truck, oilfield trucks, etc) that aren't meant to be used in long-haul, OTR applications. The company Bruce is talking with are dedicated OTR trucks. It'd be interesting to see Edison and these guys collaborate because Edison has already had some serious R&D done on their electric drive axels, as well as their motor controlers. I wish I had to spare money to invest in either company.
@@actschp1 No, while those are the heavy trucks they're starting with, the intention is to also cover long haul trucks - as they put it, there is no range limits as as long as you have diesel in the tanks you can keep driving, and instead of having to stop and charge, you just fill th diesel tanks - although they can still be charged at a charging station, like a pure battery truck.
@BruceWilson, Have you thought of doing an episode with Edison Motors. Considering they are using Scania Engines for the generator. Just a thought. Thanks, and enjoy your content.
Please tell us a bit more about the engine, is this the the older 9,3 liter puschrod engine or the newer twincam 10,6 ?keep up the good work and greetings from Sweden 🙂👍
Very similar to edison motors. I think its cools that two smaller companies are making their own versions of the hybrid, Edison is more of the logging and utility side while these guys focuses more on the long haul style trucks. a collab between the two would be insane
The five cylinder Scania's are renowned for their fuel efficiency so you are not going to need a lot of fuel on board. I would suggest a dummy facia on the drivers side tank, so that you can hide the Def tank behind it and so make the fuel tank look larger than it actually is. 👍
Edison motors has build and tested there truck for some time and now has a order to build a lumber truck that is not a prototype but a true finished product!
it is still a prototype technically. it's production testing. They have a bit to go before they can actually say production, but the trucks are very close to being production ready. they have the tech, they need the smoke testing, and the production facility.
Edison is currently building 10 trucks for customers. One is for the local logging company, one is a plow truck, one is a pickup truck install on a Dodge pickup. A couple are as of this time confidential. One is a really old truck. Need to go check them out.
Edison motors is a joke, the next 50 trucks will be prototypes since they are constantly changing equipment. Edison hasn't even really tested anything. They have had a working prototype for over a year and it's barely been tested. It should have over 200k miles on it at this point.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj actually they shouldn't. topsie is a Proof of concept. it's a marketing tool, they need real customers, with real money to invest into the company to actually build things. they can't just run topsie for a variety of reasons. don't think they are even authorized beyond testing to do anything with it. but as a marketing tool it's done wonders for them. while they can't run topsie as a working truck they can build working trucks as part of fleet tests, these working trucks are part of trials, so the next 50 trucks are the smoke testing fleet. they are getting companies to buy the trucks while providing more then the value of the truck in support and maintenance. the specs for the truck shouldn't change much after these 10 go out
@@leonhart2452 5 semis and 5 pickup retros. If I remember correctly, of the 5 semis, one is their own second proto, one similar for Royal, one will be a snowplow with Emcon, one for Tolko, and one undisclosed. Most likely all except Emcon plow and undisclosed would be logging trucks. 5 pickups: one is Deboss, one is a land cruiser because they inadvertently got a too short axle, one is undisclosed, 1 is a 90yo truck, 1 I don't remember. Edison made an overview video about them.
Well, Scania's does have DPF filters for road use trucks, 2097594 is the PN for the DPF filter inside the muffler on all Euro 6 road trucks on EU. Inside the muffler works like this: gases from the engine passes first on a DOC (this can be replaced too if goes bad), then DPF filter, then passes on some sort of cavity that is sprayed by the DEF injector then goes to the twin SCR filters (that can't be replaced, if they go bad then a new muffler is needed). my 2018 R500 comes with thys system. Regens does exist, they mostly are automatic, but you should check your Scania owner manual for that info about regens and how to manualy perform then if needed. the only new scania engines that i know that does not have DPF filters are the ones for construction machines and stationary aplications, like generators or water pumps.
I was about to say that. They have a DPF between the two SCR catalyst and it does the regens but without extra fuel injection like all the other DPF's need so
But they were able to meet the US regulations with just fluid. That is v attractive to the US market, any recirculation is gonna get ripped out in most states anyway. Thats why he is saying it doesn't have it.. because their "us spec" doesn't.
@@dzzope seriously, i don't believe that Scania made a special muffler for trucks just for the US (and if im correct, thare are no scania market trucks sold by scania anymore, only Bruce have one, and there may be other very few ones to have) that does not have a DPF inside it. i don't know the US laws about the emitions stuff, im from Portugal, but every time a watch a video about modern diesel cars or trucks of US, all of them came from factory with DPF systems, just like here in Europe, so seriously i don't belive that the US aproves a modern road truck with no DPF on it for regular road transit. if that was the case, here in Europe Scania should have made their trucks DPF free 10y ago, yet they still came with it
@@killzone89 Umm. It's a bit of pipe.. they do loads of custom touches, a bit of pipe is hardly a challenge. Also, they supply military trucks which tend not to have emissions equipment for reliability.
The Boys from Edison have already confirmed that Scania and their EU compliant engine is already Californian Carb compliant and will allow many refit kits to save older trucks from the scrap pile and wrecking yards. It seems this project is not the only one working on refitting old trucks with Diesel generators and Electric axel BEV trucks. Edison did Topsy and Carl with Cat engines , now they are doing new builds with Scania engines. The USA and Canada are years behind EU on electric trucks however Vocational trucking and refitting of older trucks with Hybrid systems makes perfect sense. I think the Hybrid model is a game changer and will make huge inroads in specialised areas. Full electric is massive in EU and they are still dealing with Charging infrastructure. Check out the Electric trucker on YT who is running Volvo, Mercedes and Iveco Electric trucks in long haul and short haul config. The future is already here even if Tesla have not delivered on time.
The engines Edison is using are not carb or epa compliant for on-highway vehicles. Edison thinks they are going to fall under generator emissions but that is not going to fly. If the engine is used for propulsion it must comply with on highway emissions.
@@pigletshut I guess it all comes down to the cardigan wearing greanies in government as to what will qualify. If diesel generator Hybrid allows for a few hundred miles/ kilometres of pure EV operation and that meets clean truck rules then yes. These hybrid systems will meet quota rules. The added benefit of this drive-train is being able to use the trucks generator to supply power back to load. As Chase from Edison said, imagine that there were hundreds of trucks with mobile generators able to plug into grid in emergency operations or blackouts. Adding back the right to repair and owner operators being able to service and fix their own fleet. Kudos to all these companies that are looking at the Generator to EV propulsion systems. Edison seems further along but I am sure there are others . Some of the EU manufacturers are also looking at Hydrogen Hybrid and Diesel Hybrid trucks as pure electric BEV won't suit all applications of long haul in remote and rural areas. That is where the Hybrid over full diesel come into the picture using sweet spot fuel consumption and estimated 30% fuel savings over full Diesel powered trucks. This will be part of Edison's fuel saving validation and data capture over the coming months. Development is moving quickly and I am sure this is only the start of e we will find ourselves over the coming 2 years.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj You could be correct however the Diesel does not provide Propulsion. In the Edison and then again in this truck Bruce is having built, the Diesel merely runs a generator so the jury is out on the meeting of Road going rules. and the engine does not need to run all the time to propel the vehicle. The diesel only drives the generator and generates electricity that can either charge the batteries or both charge and provide sufficient power to drive the electric axles that are the propulsion system. Rule-makers need to rejig to refute or accomodate. Time will tell.
@@michaelanderson3771 THIS is exactly why Edison has got the ok from the regulating bodies to fall under generator emissions because the engine is not used for propulsion. Not hooked to the drive train in anyway. Just provides electricity just like a locomotive.
Such pretty truck. Good addition to have road going ones while Edison Motors does their heavy duty diesel-electrics. Scania USA just keeps on gathering customers. Maybe in future Scania could infiltrate USA market themselves.
Hey Bruce!!! I used route and install all the electrical cables and batteries for the Volvo electric trucks. I can lend some help/info on what you’ll need to complete the battery and electric motor install on this!! This thing is awesome can’t wait to see the completion!!!!
People are being so negative about electric vehicles but this stuff is genuinely an improvement on what already exists and weather you like it or not it is the future, more power and the ability to be quiet when its needed is a good thing and also this system can be retrofitted into any old truck and make them fully viable to keep working for as long as you want.
@@Triaxx2pure electric has a way to go to work everywhere but it's v easily possible, at least in europe where driver hours are restricted for regular breaks and sleep. I think you guys have it too but with those restrictions, there are trucks that are pure electric that can pull a full load longer than you are allowed to drive. Charging infrastructure is the big thing but that is changing pretty fast. Also, it's v much more suited to regular routes where the infrastructure has to stretch so far in places with nothing else around is less of a problem. The US, Aus, Canada have much more of that than europe but how many trucks need that endurance vs how many are on the roads. It's not perfect by any means but they are currently viable if your operating area has suitable coverage of chargers.
@@dzzope Unfortunately it's taken several billion dollars to build just a handful of chargers so unless some private company takes the matter in hand, it's unlikely for us to see any sort of large charging infrastructure within the next few decades.
@@Triaxx2 Den stora skilnaden är väll igentligen avstånden . Ta EU och lägg in det i USA kartan så ser vi avstånden . Att köra Mellan Florida - Alaska med el lastbil skulle ta månader eller har jag fel ? Men att exempel köra Avfall i New york med el lastbil skulle funka .
@@andersmartensson1851 A quick google shows that it's 71 hours from Orlando Florida to Juneau Alaska. That's about 4200 miles or 6800 Km, give or take. Assuming you have enough drivers to swap out every eight hours, and assuming a 300 mile Tesla Semi with a Tesla charger at each stop it's roughly 85 hours with no load, since you'll have to stop 14 times if each time is maximum range. Of course this is assuming several things are fully optimal and ignoring any potential disparate hills to give more power from regenerative braking or not. Of course compares to a Diesel Electric which can run on anything you can put into a Diesel Engine, and which when the batteries go down, simply kicks on the engine and fills itself in a few minutes, you can drive that 71 hours straight through with maybe an hour total added on.
Standard fare for Restomod classic cars.. Scania even have a standard bolt on 400hp electric motor/generator unit. You saw them on the big V8 hybrid patrol boats in Sweden.
As a rollback truck driver I sometimes have to abuse the clutch and 6 gears are fast. The automatic 8 speed of the new mercedes trucks is not as good as a human shifting. So electric axles with only 1 gear, is no mess with shifting or clutch abuse. Electric drive with a gen-set could have the benefits of diesel and electric. And non of the charging problems or range limitations.
I think this is the future for cars and trucks for the next two decades. In 2010 I rode a Prius until 2014 for 200K, no issues with the car and 20km/l loving the acceleration of the hybrid no BMW could keep up with me until 80km/h at the traffic lights. Even with my Volvo Diesel that I use now I am getting 23 km/l.... But with much higher roadtaxes in the Netherlands.....
Bruce suggest butterfly deck plates fully polished so they could be opened at the truck show and show off all the tech. Don’t forget to include some bad ass wheel fenders again with more lights. The truck and tech is amazing can’t wait to see the final products
There is another company in North America that manufactures diesel electric hybrid trucks: Edison Motors, based in Merritt, BC, Canada. They are the first link on Bing and Google when searching for diesel electric hybrid trucks. It may be different in other parts of the world outside of NA. Additionally, Edison Motors is collaborating with Scania for their diesel engines.
As a genset, he can get everything from Scania USA, and repair/replacement parts will be easier to get than Caterpillar. Scania USA will next day pretty much any part for the products they sell.
KW/liter or KW/Gallon is the key measure of the generator. Usually much more than the price of home or commercial electricity rates. Plug it in when you can to minimize energy costs.
Drove a new DM model Mack in 1973 powered by a Scania engine. Scania had an office in Stratford ,Ct. and was trying to break into the American engine market.
The Scania V8 is actually the Mack V8. Mack had the V8 in production and in trucks 4 years before Scania started working on their own version of the Mack v8.
@@shawnchurch316 Mack sent a ENDT-64 to Scania for testing but didn’t put it into production. Both Mack and Scania launched a new V8 in 1969, very similar engines. The old ENDT-64 had problems and Scania didn’t want to use the design and Mack stop producing it.
Hey Bruce how about getting these folks to put all that Scania gen set and electrics into your White Scania chassis with one electric axle and the Scania lift axle? That Scania gen engine could sit a lot lower in the chassis than it is in the Peterbilt so floor height shouldn't be an issue. Just another way to showcase what Scania cabovers can bring to trucking. And then put the V8 and running gear into a Peterbilt chassis! As a factory of course Scania are way ahead in electric or hybrid trucks. Funfact: Edison found that (at least in Canada) by using the Scania engine and gen set the owners can use red diesel as the engine is not driving the truck. More savings!
Watched the full video now. It's an awesome project, and it's so good to see your relationship with Scania blossoming into awesome stuff. This and what Edison are doing is really cool, and i'm looking forward to seeing updates on both along with more awesome Scania stuff 🙂
i guess the only reason that these company's like your friend and Edison Motors in Canada using SCANIA engine's is that they are willing to work with these company's and provide the needed know how and help, and the big 3 CAT, DETROIT and CUMMINS give shit about working and helping these developpers, costumer service is the main importand thing where Europe stands for..... again another fail for USA :) Thumbs up for the build.
Cummins is the only NA engine supplier that can be made to go into anything. CAT bowed out of highway engines, Detroit is just DTNA and they would rather just keep things to themselves. Same with Volvo and Paccar. Did I hear something about International S13 has some Scania lineage?
@CecilSimulations No need to chase edison motors. They haven't developed or manufactured anything and they have zero proprietary technology or intellectual property.
So what if it's been done before, it's this combination that hasn't been done before. Like ol Bruce said, it's super unique, which is true in its own way, being it's scania engine, in an a peterbilt frame. Personally, I think it's a cool build, these one off builds show what can be done, and pushes the r&d side of things down the road further, that's how we learn more about a particular technology!
@@jonnothetruckerlook at Edison Motors. They started the retrofit kit for a diesel-electric semi and are running Scania. They’ve had this concept running for a while now
Why..? Edison have their own IP. Their own R/D build. Do you think they just spill their beans to anyone😂 Edison worked hard for their products. Its a Company secret.
@@Christopher_RockAmerican. Canada can still be a bit ahead. We now require automatic headlights on cars. Also we have been pulling two 53' trailers between the three interior provinces, and east of Ontario, something America still doesn't want to do. Double pups are everywhere, but the longest you'll see are double 48's on some toll highways. And some years ago a Quebec carrier trialed some Volvo FHs. Too bad nothing came of it.
A great hybrid platform. I am sure it's done, but he said you start the Genny and it goes straight up to 2000rpm.....surely the driver would allow it to warm up first. If a Genny is going to be loaded up charging whilst driving, then warming it up it'll extend its life 10 fold. Great episode, keep it up! Love the Scania buy in, progress through innovation!
Addison motors at a Burgess. Columbia are built-in their own trucks and they're using e axles with scanning a motors. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't end up going to Edison motors new manufacturing plant. When they build it, they're already built in trucks for the logging industry and the oil fields in alberta.
Yall should definitely work with Edison Motors to become an official installer of Edison Motors cause yall already have a junkyard Edison Motors would love
That's amazing, Edison Motors developed a retro fit kit for existing Class 8 trucks, and they have dealer/ install partners in Texas and they use Scania powered generators. Edison also makes kits for pickup trucks.
Since it got a Scania engine I think it have got its place next to the Scania, just another way for Scania to modernize the American trucks. Perhaps Scania will ask to have both trucks on your show tour.
wow this is content that im passionate about this is definately the way to go . Bruce you should get these guys to build you one of your own would be insane
Imagine the breakdowns after a few months of running in the salt, When all the electrical connections start getting corroded & shorting out sensors etc..
As a European non-truck driver, I wish these guys to succeed and I kinda agree that this type of hybridisation IS indeed the future. On paper it should make trucking more efficient and it should work, unless certain powers will think otherwise. 😑😒 We'll see. I'm rooting for the yank truckers to have easier life! 💪😎
Bruce, I've watched and subscribed since near your first episode .. I hope I'm not sounding condescending when I say I am proud of how and where you have evolved to. Now, cutting edge stuff!! Growin fine!!😊
It’s a great idea, but I cannot imagine when those trucks break down alongside the highway finding a skilled mechanic to work on it. This better be a city truck or regional truck close enough for in-house mechanic to come out and fix it. Good luck.
I would love to know the complexity of adding a live front axle and also to answer more questions about the actual propulsion, such as if it even has an automatic clutch to enable regen with the engine off. must be the best motorized braking since its huge range of braking power
I like the idea of a heavy duty diesel electric truck. The concept is similar to a diesel electric locomotive with the electric axels The other part I like is the serviceability of all the parts which is generally available right now. Large fleet companies would use this type of truck to lower fuel and maintenance costs . If you could get all this worked out and proven for the roads you maybe able to sell a production kit conversion And use any engine choice out there not just a Scania motor but other remanufactured engines of various types and power available. I would like to see this rolling down the road soon
Sort of. Diesel electric locomotives don’t use battery banks in the USA. They go Prime mover to alternator (generator depending on AC vs DC loco) to traction motors. The prime mover is always running, and varies its RPM as well.
You'll have tech on the truck so probably set it up so that it can give suggestions to the driver regarding what motive power to use and where to fuel given the route. Maybe insulate the hood like a generator enclosure to limit noise if it's running at full rip when you're trying to sleep.
It operates like a locomotive. The range is as far as the diesel fuel can keep the generator going. Plus the "jake brake" regening topping up the batteries even more.
@@ctibpo991 lol. The kind I’m talking about do. The big diesel/electric freight locomotives. They have huge battery banks that are used for firing up the locomotive and keeping the computers and lights on as the unit cycles on and off with auto start/stop. (FYI I drive them for a living)
@@ctibpo991 that’s true I did say it operates like a loco but that was meant as a generalization not an exact specific break down of how it operates. Just that the main idea between the two is the same. There’s a diesel engine that makes electricity and the electricity runs electric motors. And yes they have batteries a lot of them.
@ajidamarjati Scanias own gearboxes are all automated manuals. If you REALLY wanted to use their own 12 speeds, pretty sure you could make that happen.
Timmy Gentry said he was working with Uly on having him ship everything he needed to put a Scania in a Peterbilt. And he also said that Uly was two and his trucks also.
Tesla truck will be better for some transports, and these hybids better for others.The diesel engine gen is an added cost compared to what the Teslas got
Need to add flexible high wattage solar panels where ever u can on the roof and stuff.. need about 3000-4000watts worth as a secondary option passive charging system, would also help increase range b4 hybrid motor runs
@@roryhennessey1983 Hand Built Heavy Vocational truck. Check out Edison Motors. Ironicly uses Scania Engines on their production trucks. Fun watching them go from loggers to a trucking manufacturer.
@roryhennessey1983 no it was a KW but Edisons idea is to repower any make with diesel electric and also build their own trucks. The fact remains though Edison was the first with this idea and the first to build it.
Even from a layman's point of view this makes sense . I would think the front clip/hood & fenders should have a unique design from the start just to shake things up just a little.
You wont know what you have till you run it 240,000 miles in one year form Denver to Los Angeles. It is brutal and Cummins uses that route for experimentation. Anything anywhere else proves nuthin!!!
![Servicing [SCANIA XPI] engine changing oil & fuel filter](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LALvhi1WM9A/mqdefault.jpg)
Chase from Edison Motors did say that it was extremely easy to work with Scania as an engine supppier compared to the better known engine producer in the NA market
After all they didn't even talk to him.
and did it in his backyard haha
That’s because Cummins is building their own hybrid semi right now
@@Datsun280zeeeewell Edison Motors was trying to use Cat engines for their trucks
Edison Motors is doing the same thing you guys are with the diesel electric semi, and according to Chase, the owner, they will be sourcing engines threw Scania.
Was about to comment the same XD
Edison's focus is more in what they refer to as "vocational heavy duty trucks." Basically, short-haul, niche trucks (snow plow, logging truck, oilfield trucks, etc) that aren't meant to be used in long-haul, OTR applications. The company Bruce is talking with are dedicated OTR trucks.
It'd be interesting to see Edison and these guys collaborate because Edison has already had some serious R&D done on their electric drive axels, as well as their motor controlers. I wish I had to spare money to invest in either company.
How bout clear Perspex Inneer chassis cover some cool pinstriping?
@@actschp1
No, while those are the heavy trucks they're starting with, the intention is to also cover long haul trucks - as they put it, there is no range limits as as long as you have diesel in the tanks you can keep driving, and instead of having to stop and charge, you just fill th diesel tanks - although they can still be charged at a charging station, like a pure battery truck.
@BruceWilson, Have you thought of doing an episode with Edison Motors. Considering they are using Scania Engines for the generator. Just a thought. Thanks, and enjoy your content.
Please tell us a bit more about the engine, is this the the older 9,3 liter puschrod engine or the newer twincam 10,6 ?keep up the good work and greetings from Sweden 🙂👍
@bjornnyberg1609 I was just trying to get Bruce's attention. Just another fan of his.
@jessegilchriest5241 FYI it's Wilson not Wilcon he won't see it if you spell it incorrectly
Edison motors is irrelevant and will not exist in 24 months.
@@HackeryX thank you.
Alright, now we need a collab between you guys and Edison motors
Yep we do,... we have Bruce to have some fun with and we have Edison motors for the more serieus moments.
Facts
Appropriate that the Peterbilt is painted in the Swedish colors with a yellow frame and blue cab
and a Scania engine in it. 😎👍
Looks more purple than blue to me 🤨
Peter Griffin!😁
@@TopiasSalakka It's Dark Blue
Very similar to edison motors. I think its cools that two smaller companies are making their own versions of the hybrid, Edison is more of the logging and utility side while these guys focuses more on the long haul style trucks. a collab between the two would be insane
The five cylinder Scania's are renowned for their fuel efficiency so you are not going to need a lot of fuel on board. I would suggest a dummy facia on the drivers side tank, so that you can hide the Def tank behind it and so make the fuel tank look larger than it actually is. 👍
I saw a guy like Hugh at a buffet and told him, man I don’t wanna get between u and the food. He laughed his behind off 😂😂😂
Edison motors has build and tested there truck for some time and now has a order to build a lumber truck that is not a prototype but a true finished product!
it is still a prototype technically. it's production testing. They have a bit to go before they can actually say production, but the trucks are very close to being production ready. they have the tech, they need the smoke testing, and the production facility.
Edison is currently building 10 trucks for customers. One is for the local logging company, one is a plow truck, one is a pickup truck install on a Dodge pickup. A couple are as of this time confidential. One is a really old truck.
Need to go check them out.
Edison motors is a joke, the next 50 trucks will be prototypes since they are constantly changing equipment. Edison hasn't even really tested anything. They have had a working prototype for over a year and it's barely been tested. It should have over 200k miles on it at this point.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj actually they shouldn't. topsie is a Proof of concept. it's a marketing tool, they need real customers, with real money to invest into the company to actually build things. they can't just run topsie for a variety of reasons. don't think they are even authorized beyond testing to do anything with it. but as a marketing tool it's done wonders for them. while they can't run topsie as a working truck they can build working trucks as part of fleet tests, these working trucks are part of trials, so the next 50 trucks are the smoke testing fleet. they are getting companies to buy the trucks while providing more then the value of the truck in support and maintenance. the specs for the truck shouldn't change much after these 10 go out
@@leonhart2452 5 semis and 5 pickup retros. If I remember correctly, of the 5 semis, one is their own second proto, one similar for Royal, one will be a snowplow with Emcon, one for Tolko, and one undisclosed. Most likely all except Emcon plow and undisclosed would be logging trucks. 5 pickups: one is Deboss, one is a land cruiser because they inadvertently got a too short axle, one is undisclosed, 1 is a 90yo truck, 1 I don't remember. Edison made an overview video about them.
Well, Scania's does have DPF filters for road use trucks, 2097594 is the PN for the DPF filter inside the muffler on all Euro 6 road trucks on EU. Inside the muffler works like this: gases from the engine passes first on a DOC (this can be replaced too if goes bad), then DPF filter, then passes on some sort of cavity that is sprayed by the DEF injector then goes to the twin SCR filters (that can't be replaced, if they go bad then a new muffler is needed). my 2018 R500 comes with thys system. Regens does exist, they mostly are automatic, but you should check your Scania owner manual for that info about regens and how to manualy perform then if needed. the only new scania engines that i know that does not have DPF filters are the ones for construction machines and stationary aplications, like generators or water pumps.
I was about to say that. They have a DPF between the two SCR catalyst and it does the regens but without extra fuel injection like all the other DPF's need so
@@HackHans that and they shut the exhaust brake flap a bit to generate more heat and gas pressure
But they were able to meet the US regulations with just fluid. That is v attractive to the US market, any recirculation is gonna get ripped out in most states anyway.
Thats why he is saying it doesn't have it.. because their "us spec" doesn't.
@@dzzope seriously, i don't believe that Scania made a special muffler for trucks just for the US (and if im correct, thare are no scania market trucks sold by scania anymore, only Bruce have one, and there may be other very few ones to have) that does not have a DPF inside it. i don't know the US laws about the emitions stuff, im from Portugal, but every time a watch a video about modern diesel cars or trucks of US, all of them came from factory with DPF systems, just like here in Europe, so seriously i don't belive that the US aproves a modern road truck with no DPF on it for regular road transit. if that was the case, here in Europe Scania should have made their trucks DPF free 10y ago, yet they still came with it
@@killzone89 Umm. It's a bit of pipe.. they do loads of custom touches, a bit of pipe is hardly a challenge.
Also, they supply military trucks which tend not to have emissions equipment for reliability.
The Boys from Edison have already confirmed that Scania and their EU compliant engine is already Californian Carb compliant and will allow many refit kits to save older trucks from the scrap pile and wrecking yards.
It seems this project is not the only one working on refitting old trucks with Diesel generators and Electric axel BEV trucks.
Edison did Topsy and Carl with Cat engines , now they are doing new builds with Scania engines.
The USA and Canada are years behind EU on electric trucks however Vocational trucking and refitting of older trucks with Hybrid systems makes perfect sense.
I think the Hybrid model is a game changer and will make huge inroads in specialised areas.
Full electric is massive in EU and they are still dealing with Charging infrastructure.
Check out the Electric trucker on YT who is running Volvo, Mercedes and Iveco Electric trucks in long haul and short haul config.
The future is already here even if Tesla have not delivered on time.
Edison came about BECAUSE Tesla didn't deliver on time. 🤣
Will these locomotive style hybrid trucks still satisfy their clean truck quota?
The engines Edison is using are not carb or epa compliant for on-highway vehicles. Edison thinks they are going to fall under generator emissions but that is not going to fly. If the engine is used for propulsion it must comply with on highway emissions.
@@pigletshut I guess it all comes down to the cardigan wearing greanies in government as to what will qualify.
If diesel generator Hybrid allows for a few hundred miles/ kilometres of pure EV operation and that meets clean truck rules then yes. These hybrid systems will meet quota rules.
The added benefit of this drive-train is being able to use the trucks generator to supply power back to load.
As Chase from Edison said, imagine that there were hundreds of trucks with mobile generators able to plug into grid in emergency operations or blackouts.
Adding back the right to repair and owner operators being able to service and fix their own fleet.
Kudos to all these companies that are looking at the Generator to EV propulsion systems.
Edison seems further along but I am sure there are others .
Some of the EU manufacturers are also looking at Hydrogen Hybrid and Diesel Hybrid trucks as pure electric BEV won't suit all applications of long haul in remote and rural areas.
That is where the Hybrid over full diesel come into the picture using sweet spot fuel consumption and estimated 30% fuel savings over full Diesel powered trucks.
This will be part of Edison's fuel saving validation and data capture over the coming months.
Development is moving quickly and I am sure this is only the start of e we will find ourselves over the coming 2 years.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj You could be correct however the Diesel does not provide Propulsion.
In the Edison and then again in this truck Bruce is having built, the Diesel merely runs a generator so the jury is out on the meeting of Road going rules. and the engine does not need to run all the time to propel the vehicle.
The diesel only drives the generator and generates electricity that can either charge the batteries or both charge and provide sufficient power to drive the electric axles that are the propulsion system.
Rule-makers need to rejig to refute or accomodate.
Time will tell.
@@michaelanderson3771 THIS is exactly why Edison has got the ok from the regulating bodies to fall under generator emissions because the engine is not used for propulsion. Not hooked to the drive train in anyway. Just provides electricity just like a locomotive.
Such pretty truck. Good addition to have road going ones while Edison Motors does their heavy duty diesel-electrics. Scania USA just keeps on gathering customers. Maybe in future Scania could infiltrate USA market themselves.
Hey Bruce!!! I used route and install all the electrical cables and batteries for the Volvo electric trucks. I can lend some help/info on what you’ll need to complete the battery and electric motor install on this!! This thing is awesome can’t wait to see the completion!!!!
You need to check out Edison trucking over there in Canada they're building a company from scratch add building electric trucks from scratch semis
Pretty sure they make hybrid trucks much like this one.
People are being so negative about electric vehicles but this stuff is genuinely an improvement on what already exists and weather you like it or not it is the future, more power and the ability to be quiet when its needed is a good thing and also this system can be retrofitted into any old truck and make them fully viable to keep working for as long as you want.
Pure Electric has quite a few downsides, almost all of which are either solved, or heavily mitigated by the Diesel/Electric Hybridization.
@@Triaxx2pure electric has a way to go to work everywhere but it's v easily possible, at least in europe where driver hours are restricted for regular breaks and sleep. I think you guys have it too but with those restrictions, there are trucks that are pure electric that can pull a full load longer than you are allowed to drive.
Charging infrastructure is the big thing but that is changing pretty fast.
Also, it's v much more suited to regular routes where the infrastructure has to stretch so far in places with nothing else around is less of a problem. The US, Aus, Canada have much more of that than europe but how many trucks need that endurance vs how many are on the roads.
It's not perfect by any means but they are currently viable if your operating area has suitable coverage of chargers.
@@dzzope Unfortunately it's taken several billion dollars to build just a handful of chargers so unless some private company takes the matter in hand, it's unlikely for us to see any sort of large charging infrastructure within the next few decades.
@@Triaxx2 Den stora skilnaden är väll igentligen avstånden . Ta EU och lägg in det i USA kartan så ser vi avstånden . Att köra Mellan Florida - Alaska med el lastbil skulle ta månader eller har jag fel ? Men att exempel köra Avfall i New york med el lastbil skulle funka .
@@andersmartensson1851 A quick google shows that it's 71 hours from Orlando Florida to Juneau Alaska. That's about 4200 miles or 6800 Km, give or take. Assuming you have enough drivers to swap out every eight hours, and assuming a 300 mile Tesla Semi with a Tesla charger at each stop it's roughly 85 hours with no load, since you'll have to stop 14 times if each time is maximum range.
Of course this is assuming several things are fully optimal and ignoring any potential disparate hills to give more power from regenerative braking or not.
Of course compares to a Diesel Electric which can run on anything you can put into a Diesel Engine, and which when the batteries go down, simply kicks on the engine and fills itself in a few minutes, you can drive that 71 hours straight through with maybe an hour total added on.
It's a space age engine in a stoneage truck.
Standard fare for Restomod classic cars..
Scania even have a standard bolt on 400hp electric motor/generator unit. You saw them on the big V8 hybrid patrol boats in Sweden.
22:00 Box of doom. Touch anything in there and even your early ancestors will feel it..
As a rollback truck driver I sometimes have to abuse the clutch and 6 gears are fast. The automatic 8 speed of the new mercedes trucks is not as good as a human shifting. So electric axles with only 1 gear, is no mess with shifting or clutch abuse. Electric drive with a gen-set could have the benefits of diesel and electric. And non of the charging problems or range limitations.
I think this is the future for cars and trucks for the next two decades. In 2010 I rode a Prius until 2014 for 200K, no issues with the car and 20km/l loving the acceleration of the hybrid no BMW could keep up with me until 80km/h at the traffic lights. Even with my Volvo Diesel that I use now I am getting 23 km/l.... But with much higher roadtaxes in the Netherlands.....
Bruce suggest butterfly deck plates fully polished so they could be opened at the truck show and show off all the tech.
Don’t forget to include some bad ass wheel fenders again with more lights.
The truck and tech is amazing can’t wait to see the final products
A generator from Denmark and an engine from Sweden
There is another company in North America that manufactures diesel electric hybrid trucks: Edison Motors, based in Merritt, BC, Canada. They are the first link on Bing and Google when searching for diesel electric hybrid trucks. It may be different in other parts of the world outside of NA. Additionally, Edison Motors is collaborating with Scania for their diesel engines.
Edison isn't "collaborating" with Scania - they're just buying Scania engines. I bought a Toyota; that doesn't make Toyota and me collaborators.
@corm7538 The reason why Edison motors comes up first is because they are wasting investor money on adwords.
As a genset, he can get everything from Scania USA, and repair/replacement parts will be easier to get than Caterpillar. Scania USA will next day pretty much any part for the products they sell.
the 5 cyl are very fuel efficient
KW/liter or KW/Gallon is the key measure of the generator. Usually much more than the price of home or commercial electricity rates. Plug it in when you can to minimize energy costs.
@@ctibpo991 sure. but they use the engine for vehicles as well. plenty of buses worldwide have the scania 5 cyl in them
The great thing about Scanias is driver comfort and their confidence in a machine that is reliable. The average driver does not care what powers it.
Drove a new DM model Mack in 1973 powered by a Scania engine. Scania had an office in Stratford ,Ct. and was trying to break into the American engine market.
Worked on a few. Way underpowered
Scania delivered 15 000 engines to Mack during a 25 year period
The Scania V8 is actually the Mack V8. Mack had the V8 in production and in trucks 4 years before Scania started working on their own version of the Mack v8.
@@shawnchurch316 Mack sent a ENDT-64 to Scania for testing but didn’t put it into production.
Both Mack and Scania launched a new V8 in 1969, very similar engines. The old ENDT-64 had problems and Scania didn’t want to use the design and Mack stop producing it.
will we see Rich Rebuilds in here in some point???? that would be interesting, awesome video as always
Hey Bruce how about getting these folks to put all that Scania gen set and electrics into your White Scania chassis with one electric axle and the Scania lift axle? That Scania gen engine could sit a lot lower in the chassis than it is in the Peterbilt so floor height shouldn't be an issue. Just another way to showcase what Scania cabovers can bring to trucking. And then put the V8 and running gear into a Peterbilt chassis!
As a factory of course Scania are way ahead in electric or hybrid trucks.
Funfact: Edison found that (at least in Canada) by using the Scania engine and gen set the owners can use red diesel as the engine is not driving the truck. More savings!
With the stickers on the windshield its so hard not to see a Pixar Cars face on this truck.
Watched the full video now. It's an awesome project, and it's so good to see your relationship with Scania blossoming into awesome stuff. This and what Edison are doing is really cool, and i'm looking forward to seeing updates on both along with more awesome Scania stuff 🙂
i guess the only reason that these company's like your friend and Edison Motors in Canada using SCANIA engine's is that they are willing to work with these company's and provide the needed know how and help, and the big 3 CAT, DETROIT and CUMMINS give shit about working and helping these developpers, costumer service is the main importand thing where Europe stands for..... again another fail for USA :)
Thumbs up for the build.
Cummins is the only NA engine supplier that can be made to go into anything. CAT bowed out of highway engines, Detroit is just DTNA and they would rather just keep things to themselves. Same with Volvo and Paccar.
Did I hear something about International S13 has some Scania lineage?
Bruce Wilson now chasing Edison Motors nice to see 😎🤠
@CecilSimulations No need to chase edison motors. They haven't developed or manufactured anything and they have zero proprietary technology or intellectual property.
Don't forget the 'Playboy' mud flaps, and the bullet lug nuts. Gotta cater to the tastes of USAmerican truckers. /s
So what if it's been done before, it's this combination that hasn't been done before.
Like ol Bruce said, it's super unique, which is true in its own way, being it's scania engine, in an a peterbilt frame.
Personally, I think it's a cool build, these one off builds show what can be done, and pushes the r&d side of things down the road further, that's how we learn more about a particular technology!
It already exists, Scania had done hybrid trucks since a few years
@mathieuauffret7324 not in a pete though
@@jonnothetrucker that’s what I said : « Scania did it » 😉
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@@jonnothetruckerlook at Edison Motors. They started the retrofit kit for a diesel-electric semi and are running Scania. They’ve had this concept running for a while now
@fredcalder2869 I'm aware of them, and again not that particular combination
Personally, i prefer Scania 11L inline 6 engines over the five cyl ones.
But they are amazing powerplants regardless.
Yes, contact Edison motors I do believe they’re ahead of everyone on this
Why..? Edison have their own IP. Their own R/D build.
Do you think they just spill their beans to anyone😂
Edison worked hard for their products.
Its a Company secret.
Scania has had hybrid trucks for sale for years. It's nothing new.
@@falksweden remember the North American market are far behind the European
@@falkswedenNot really a popular product anywhere though.
@@Christopher_RockAmerican. Canada can still be a bit ahead. We now require automatic headlights on cars. Also we have been pulling two 53' trailers between the three interior provinces, and east of Ontario, something America still doesn't want to do. Double pups are everywhere, but the longest you'll see are double 48's on some toll highways. And some years ago a Quebec carrier trialed some Volvo FHs. Too bad nothing came of it.
Yes!!!!! I always wanted a ”american truck” with the v8 from sweden
A great hybrid platform. I am sure it's done, but he said you start the Genny and it goes straight up to 2000rpm.....surely the driver would allow it to warm up first. If a Genny is going to be loaded up charging whilst driving, then warming it up it'll extend its life 10 fold.
Great episode, keep it up! Love the Scania buy in, progress through innovation!
We have these diesel electric set ups in double deck buses in the uk. They're using a 4 cylinder cummins (180hp?) in the back to drive the genset
Addison motors at a Burgess. Columbia are built-in their own trucks and they're using e axles with scanning a motors. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't end up going to Edison motors new manufacturing plant. When they build it, they're already built in trucks for the logging industry and the oil fields in alberta.
Yall should definitely work with Edison Motors to become an official installer of Edison Motors cause yall already have a junkyard Edison Motors would love
That's amazing, Edison Motors developed a retro fit kit for existing Class 8 trucks, and they have dealer/ install partners in Texas and they use Scania powered generators. Edison also makes kits for pickup trucks.
Edison is years ahead of the game on this already. But hells yeah for y’all!
This is a huge step in the right direction only time will tell
Hello, & hands down one the coolest videos that u ever ✔️ done!!!🎉
Great content Bruce, also kudos to you for stepping up your editing skills! GG
Since it got a Scania engine I think it have got its place next to the Scania, just another way for Scania to modernize the American trucks. Perhaps Scania will ask to have both trucks on your show tour.
This guy really needs to go up and see Chase and his trucks.
Very nice Bruce! Greetings from the Netherlands.
wow this is content that im passionate about this is definately the way to go . Bruce you should get these guys to build you one of your own would be insane
Love the paint 🇸🇪! Tribute to the engine?
Hi Bruce love your content, would be great to see the boys convert the white Scania to a hybrid..
Imagine the breakdowns after a few months of running in the salt, When all the electrical connections start getting corroded & shorting out sensors etc..
As a European non-truck driver, I wish these guys to succeed and I kinda agree that this type of hybridisation IS indeed the future. On paper it should make trucking more efficient and it should work, unless certain powers will think otherwise. 😑😒 We'll see. I'm rooting for the yank truckers to have easier life! 💪😎
Collaboration with Edison Motors when?
Bruce, I've watched and subscribed since near your first episode .. I hope I'm not sounding condescending when I say I am proud of how and where you have evolved to. Now, cutting edge stuff!! Growin fine!!😊
It’s a great idea, but I cannot imagine when those trucks break down alongside the highway finding a skilled mechanic to work on it. This better be a city truck or regional truck close enough for in-house mechanic to come out and fix it. Good luck.
that was an issue regarding standard diesel trucks too back in time when trucks got gasoline engines. 'Time will fix it'
Another vote for Edison Motors here!
It will be cool ! The future here Boys , with a Old School Look ! NICE !
Very awesome build hope nothing but the best in this build
Nice of them to make honorable mention of the guy who put that truck together. Saw that truck come out of NY on a lowboy.
You should touch base with Edison Motors , they're building a new facility in Golden British Columbia for electric building electric hiway tractors.
I would love to know the complexity of adding a live front axle and also to answer more questions about the actual propulsion, such as if it even has an automatic clutch to enable regen with the engine off. must be the best motorized braking since its huge range of braking power
Congrads, your becoming cutting edge.
I like the idea of a heavy duty diesel electric truck.
The concept is similar to a diesel electric locomotive with the electric axels
The other part I like is the serviceability of all the parts which is generally available right now.
Large fleet companies would use this type of truck to lower fuel and maintenance costs .
If you could get all this worked out and proven for the roads you maybe able to sell a production kit conversion
And use any engine choice out there not just a Scania motor but other remanufactured engines of various types and power available.
I would like to see this rolling down the road soon
Blue and yellow, Swedish color.😁
We have this for more that 100 years just think on the diesel electric trains, right that's the same.
But in their eyes it is an innovation and ''made in the usa''...they are a little behind. 🤫
@@thedutchhuman Oeps,..I think I like you're reaction but .....ssssttttttttt.
Diesel electric has no batteries
Sort of. Diesel electric locomotives don’t use battery banks in the USA. They go Prime mover to alternator (generator depending on AC vs DC loco) to traction motors. The prime mover is always running, and varies its RPM as well.
@@dash456789 Ok-Ok it's a (smal) detail but I give you that.
You'll have tech on the truck so probably set it up so that it can give suggestions to the driver regarding what motive power to use and where to fuel given the route. Maybe insulate the hood like a generator enclosure to limit noise if it's running at full rip when you're trying to sleep.
& great video 📹, & congratulations 🎉bruce on a very cool 😎 video 📹
Jag hoppas att ni monterar in samma luftfjädring som i Scanian och med skivbromsar runt om med ABS .
Edison Motors in Canada has already done this in Logging Trucks etc, the battery range seems small for a highway truck.
It operates like a locomotive. The range is as far as the diesel fuel can keep the generator going. Plus the "jake brake" regening topping up the batteries even more.
Locomotives don't have batteries.
@@ctibpo991 lol. The kind I’m talking about do. The big diesel/electric freight locomotives. They have huge battery banks that are used for firing up the locomotive and keeping the computers and lights on as the unit cycles on and off with auto start/stop. (FYI I drive them for a living)
@2kanchoo the a/c motors are driven directly by the gen not by a battery pack
@@ctibpo991 that’s true I did say it operates like a loco but that was meant as a generalization not an exact specific break down of how it operates. Just that the main idea between the two is the same. There’s a diesel engine that makes electricity and the electricity runs electric motors. And yes they have batteries a lot of them.
Wishing you guy's the best of luck
You should do an 770 V8 18 speed manual Pete.
Why a manual? It makes no sense anymore.
Theres no manual gearbox could handle Scania's 770 torque bud. max Rating on 18 speed fuller is 2050lbft, scania 770 makes 2730lbft.
Well not a stock transmission. Build it race trucks with c18 1000+ hp fun with Eaton fuller
@ajidamarjati
Scanias own gearboxes are all automated manuals.
If you REALLY wanted to use their own 12 speeds, pretty sure you could make that happen.
Looks really cool, but it might need a Scania coffee maker
It will be the younger brother off Karl from EDISON MOTORS 😊😊
Only Scania themed videos goin forward💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚🇧🇷
So cool!! Really great video
Timmy Gentry said he was working with Uly on having him ship everything he needed to put a Scania in a Peterbilt.
And he also said that Uly was two and his trucks also.
Now that's something awesome !!!
Take a drink for every comment saying something about the boys up north
Just a thoughtful critique, you need to wear/position your mics higher, could barely hear you during the video
Wow a real Frankenstein...👤
Need to see it run
This is the future. I could definitely get behind a kit to make my truck diesel electric.
Uhhhh,nice .
A great way to have the best of 2 continents
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This is bad ass! I'm live in austin
These set-ups are going to be better than the Tesla semi that would have to stop and recharge. They have something here, the future of trucking.
Tesla truck will be better for some transports, and these hybids better for others.The diesel engine gen is an added cost compared to what the Teslas got
Need to add flexible high wattage solar panels where ever u can on the roof and stuff.. need about 3000-4000watts worth as a secondary option passive charging system, would also help increase range b4 hybrid motor runs
What about Edison motors? You should give them a shout out. He has been doing this in his backyard before you
Edison has not developed anything new, have zero proprietary technology or intellectual property.
Edison Motors was the first to do it in Canada
Was it a Peterbilt?
@@roryhennessey1983 From what I know/have seen the majority of the truck was built in house. including the cab.
@@roryhennessey1983 Hand Built Heavy Vocational truck. Check out Edison Motors. Ironicly uses Scania Engines on their production trucks. Fun watching them go from loggers to a trucking manufacturer.
@@Thewargamesguydidn’t even answer his question at all. But no they didn’t build it in a Peterbilt.
@roryhennessey1983 no it was a KW but Edisons idea is to repower any make with diesel electric and also build their own trucks. The fact remains though Edison was the first with this idea and the first to build it.
Bruce you need to Edison Motors for sure and he has partner doing hybrid rrtro ehab of Old and new trucks DeBossgrage channel
Have you thought about keeping the engines alternator to be able to recharge the starter motor battery? Edison found that was useful.
Even from a layman's point of view this makes sense .
I would think the front clip/hood & fenders should have a unique design from the start just to shake things up just a little.
Steve from the uk i think is cool and what uz r doing have hit a pocket in the market best of luk with the project
You wont know what you have till you run it 240,000 miles in one year form Denver to Los Angeles. It is brutal and Cummins uses that route for experimentation. Anything anywhere else proves nuthin!!!
The pickup truck manufacturers also use that route for testing trucks.
instead of stealing Teslas idea they call it stealing Edison Motors idea
Huh?
they are also using round wheels, stolen that idea from some hardworking stone age inventor. Sad.
It's a resto mod ;)
cool project
I would be curious to see one of these trucks at a million miles and see what kind of maintenance was required, new technology is always contankerous
And that's 389 Peter built car hall there. You go put a scanning engine in it.
Hey Bruce how are you doing today my friend I like watching your TH-cam videos