Brighton fan here wishing the best of luck with Potter. He played some great football with us and before our new arch rivals chelsea came along he had us flying high. That did take about two years or so and it seems that Potter needs that kinda time to bed himself in and do whatever a managers does, to get the team in a good position. I'm unsure if he will get that time at West ham but we will see, although you all know far better than i do about how West ham is run. Hopefully potter works magic, was great to see you guys win the conference league a few years ago.
I recall Potter playing good football at Brighton, but also having 2 relegation dog fights in the 2 full seasons he had with you guys. Not much difference to what Lopetegui was doing here.
Sullivan's suggestion that Potter's success at Brighton was helped by that club's infrastructure leads to the conclusion that if Potter fails at West Ham it will be down to West Ham's infrastructure, i.e. down to Sullivan.
Posted this as a reply, but thought I'd give it it's own post in case anyone was interested: I started following West Ham in 03/04 when we were in the Championship (stupid teenager I was). In that time we have had an average Premier League postion of 11.68, and an average points per season in the Premier League of 44.73. In the last 4 seasons with Moyes (not inlcluding the two seasons where he came in and saved us from relegation, I couldn't be bothered compiling partial season stats) we have had an average Premier League position of 9.00, and an average points per season of 53.25. I think it's pretty easy to forget what was going on fairly regularly prior to the 2020/2021 season. We sucked. Before 2020/2021, we had placed better than 10th in the Premier League 3 times since 03/04. 9th under Pardew in 2005/2006, 9th under Zola in 2008/2009 and 7th under Bilic in 2015/2016. In the last 4 years, we came 6th, 7th, 14th and 9th. This is not normal for West Ham. Our top 5 premier league points totals in the premier league since 2003/2004 years are: 65 under Moyes in 2020/2021, 62 under Bilic in 2015/2016, 56 under Moyes in 21/22, 55 under Pardew in 2005/2006 and 52 under Moyes in 2023/2024 (that got him sacked). This means that 3 of our best 5 points totals since 2003/2004 have occured in the last 5 years. West Ham have experienced an unprecidented level of success since 2020. To think this is business as usual is completely fallacous and incorrect, and to expect it to continue in the post-Moyes era is optimistic verging on stupid. I hope that Potter can also perform above traditional expectations for West Ham, but it's important to remember that historically mid-table is a good season.
Soler, Todibo, Killman, Summerville, Wan-Bissaka and Fullkrug are good signings. Its Lopetegui that was the problem. Hope I don't regret saying that at the end of the season.
Something to look forward to now that long overdue departure of our coach has materialised. I just hope Potter is given the freedom to play the way he sees fit.
I don’t know why but I’m becoming very optimistic regarding Potter. Sometimes it’s a case of the right person at the right time. I agree this is the perfect opportunity for him and given the circumstances for us as well We need to get 100% behind him
@HammersChat Agreed. Turmoil is par for the course at West Ham at this time. Potter didn't survive Chelsea's behind the scenes basket weaving. I doubt he will flourish fully at West Ham either. Not that I particularly doubt his abilities it's just that the sand is constantly shifting under a person's feet at this club. Under a more stable board I think he could do better for us than he might be 'allowed' to do just now. But then, I really wasn't thinking Sully would even pull the trigger on Lopetegui until three different sources reported he had definitely gone today 😂
I don’t think it’s accurate to say that Potter developed players at Brighton so they could be sold to big clubs that was the nature of Brighton itself and those players perception of the club. Now we are a bigger club and want to be considerably bigger still but like it or not as things stand players like Kudus and previously Paqueta were only ever at West Ham as a middleman to move onto better things. So we need to either avoid players like that or use them to gradually improve the club to the point where as with Aston Villa and Newcastle they are far less likely to want to move onto better things. As you say that’s a club issue not a Potter issue he would only want to move people on if they become disruptive or if the support falls below what he needs and moving them on may provide the budget to improve the team overall.
Trouble is Sullivan wants the managers to develop assets we can sell for squillions. Sullivan has said it not like we want to sell them, but he seems resided to the fact that he can’t stop our best players being poached, because they want to leave once their heads are turned.
Frankie was excellent as always, a lot in common, my opinion on Potter is we are in for a couple of years of mid table mediocrity. The club still hasn`t decide a vision an identity a style, just moving from one manager to another who just happens to be unemployed. That said, prove me wrong please Harry.
Sure beats relegation battles every second year. Mid table mediocrity is a good result for West Ham historically. Since you said to prove you wrong, I compliled some stats. I started following West Ham in 03/04 when we were in the Championship (stupid teenage I was). In that time we have had an average Premier League postion of 11.68, and an average points per season of 44.73. In the last 4 seasons with Moyes (not inlcluding the two seasons where he came in and saved us from relegation, I couldn't be bothered compiling partial season stats) we have had an average Premier League position of 9, and an average points per season of 53.25. I think it's pretty easy to forget what was going on fairly regularly prior to the 2020/2021 season. We sucked. Before 2020/2021, we had placed better than 10th in the Premier League 3 times since 03/04. 9th under Pardew in 2005/2006, 9th under Zola in 2008/2009 and 7th under Bilic in 2015/2016. In the last 4 years, we came 6th, 7th, 14th and 9th. This is not normal for West Ham. Our top 5 premier league points totals in the premier league since 2003/2004 years are: 65 under Moyes in 2020/2021, 62 under Bilic in 2015/2016, 56 under Moyes in 21/22, 55 under Pardew in 2005/2006 and 52 under Moyes in 2023/2024 (that got him sacked). This means that 3 of our best 5 points totals since 2003/2004 have occured in the last 5 years. West Ham have experienced an unprecidented level of success since 2020. To think this is business and usual is completely fallacous and incorrect, and to expect it to continue in the post-Moyes era is optimistic verging on stupid. I hope that Potter can also perform above traditional expectations for West Ham, but it's important to remember that tradtionally mid-table is a good season.
Funny how power works, really. If Sullivan had done the job he has done as owner (in terms of choosing + signing players) in Steidten’s position, Sullivan would have sacked him years ago. He can fail and get away with it because he owns the club
Brilliant watch as always lads, enjoy Frankie’s hot takes on things, hope alls well with the family geo! Was also wondering what Frankie’s association is with cray wanderers, heard he mentioned training and games on Saturdays and Sundays?
I'm gaining optimism, we could well have a possibility of enjoying football again. Welcome Graham, you weren't my first choice (much like Lop) but we already like you more than the last two so we need you to do well!
No to Ashworth, considering how Brighton has progressed after Potter and Ashworth left, it points to Tony Bloom and his AI analytics team that did the heavy lifting. Also, considering the headlines from Sky and Manchester Evening News ... "Dan Ashworth overruled at Man Utd over Southgate", "Dan Ashworth pushed for Gareth Southgate at Man United". I'll rather not have him in charge of the direction of the club if that's his professional judgement of what constitutes a good coach - and for Man. Utd of all places.
@@DC-uf6ve Sure, way to misunderstand to context. Bravo. Or, do you really think the Analytics team is AI itself, then you're some kind of special. Or could it be the case that they employ AI as a tool to process, filter and refined the data the Analytics department have gathered. I wonder which context is more likely.
Totally agree. Its not the director of football going out scouting players its the analytics and scouting team. Man U soon got rid of him when they realised he didnt bring much to the table and Brighton and Newcastle have kicked on since he left.
As a WHU fan who lives in Swansea the job he did with the Swans shouldn't be overlooked. If you take Chelsea out of the equation as they were a poisoned chalice for a long time, each club he has gone to has been a positive progression. Chelsea was a step too far but if you think that we might be his level then it might just work out well.
Isn’t 2.5 years standard manager contract now, Amorim signed a 2.5yr contract and Iraola has similar but just signed a new 2 yr extension recently & Silva signed a 3 year, so I think that length is pretty much the norm now
But he has got all the deals over the line...Let's be real he doesn't choose the signings he closes them. And before Tim, how frustrating was it watching Sullivan struggle to close deals and watch them constantly fall through. I think we need a proper scouting system so Tim can get some real talent over the line. All the successfully run clubs are not relying on one man to identify and sign targets, they have a full infrastructure backing the d.o.f. As long as Sullivan is no longer the one sitting down with our targets it's still better than it was! But we still need to build on our scouting staff.
I totally agree with you Geo, that’s what I thought and that would explain why Sullivan is not keen on steidten as he probably reports back to Kretinski , now is the time to see how Tim works with a progressive manager employed who wants to use youth, hopefully they are both singing from the same hymn sheet 🙏🤞, I’d like him to have a bit more time personally
Nice seeing you geo with frankie and frankie your right luck don't let anyone tell you different .look at the final fiorontina were the better side only paqetta bowen and happening end of game won that . Nice to win farmers cup like h did inter toto 99 but luck .
I agree re TS it makes total sense, the power struggle goes on and explains the undermining of him from Sullivan from early on. Done himself no favours but seriously I warned 8 months ago the brewing disaster of expecting to transform a team in around 2 months because Sullivan refused to payoff Moyes for those last dying useless months post last Christmas. I said anything better than 50% success with new players would be a bonus. Duran/Fulkrug were the killers but what’s the full story there, but we have to be realistic, when you need 8 or 9 players you end up taking risks on second, third or fourth choices at some point and some you buy are in and out of favour not necessarily based on talent either. You are right, luck over judgement indeed is the influencing factor here and will be while the clowns are in control.
You have to have the players, no one will do anything with what we have, we need a Quality Keeper/centre half/fast energetic Centre midfielder/ centre forward/ right through the middle ⚒️
I totally agree that the cup win a lot of luck. How Moyes managed to get a contract after only getting ONE POINT more than Pellegrini boggles my mind, but his time coincided with Rice coming into his own. I think the COVID situation also seemed to benefit him. There were rumblings of getting him rid of him during the World Cup break and that season's performance only validates that, but the run in the UECL and, ultimately, the win, diverted attention from the poor run in the league and facilitated another European, that we wouldn't have had.
The amount of times I have had arguments with fellow fans and also opposition fans over the same thing our European cup runs papered over the rapidly regessing league form and the third year was only because we won a cup we were massive favourites to win
What is long term success? Do we know what that looks like? For me it is attacking football and pushing for Europe, trying for a cup? Or is there another definition?
interesting that @JacobSteinberg is also reporting "Worth stressing there are no break clauses or targets for Potter to hit here" in regards to his 2 1/2 year deal
I’m more enthusiastic than Frankie about potter, we should be a lot better tactically and think we need a couple signings especially in midfield.. players need to take some responsibility and step up.. hopefully it clicks
If TS is a Kresinsky man then could Tim winding up staff and talking to players been a deliberate ploy to push the tension between himself and Loppy in getting him sacked - just a thought
Wow, Sullivan really took his “don’t fire a manager until you have a replacement ready” theory to a ridiculous extreme this week, but at least it’s over. Hopefully Potter can do a good job.
I think Tim is the deal closer not the deal chooser. Sullivan was notorious for failing to get signings over the line, Tim gets them done. As a fan base we was always furious with failed approaches Tim takes that heat off Sullivan.
Totally on board with Frankie regards Moyes bit of luck bringing a trophy. I'm not one of those that demean pur ECL win but I firmly believe Moyes success was a happy accident rather than part of a Sully masterplan.
Our biggest players have ambitions? Because I can't think of many that have shown that they do. Bowen for sure. Soucek too. That's about it though. No one else has put in the effort that says 'I want Europe'.
We can finally move on and look forward to Villa cup game. Don't want to be distracted by more of the backroom toxicity. Agree, Steidten is eyes and ears for Kretinsky, who now knows how dysfunctional club is, and if he were to take over, the extent of the infrastructure rebuild and clear out.
I like the TS theory but it is said TS never wanted Lop and felt he should be sacked. However DK blocked DS from sacking Lop after Leicester game, so how do we square that one 🤔
I’ll throw a couple of things back to you for the sake of debate - perhaps DK didn’t block the sacking and that rumour is incorrect. (Personally struggle to believe Sullivan was ready to sack Lopetegui but they did have that meeting) But if Kretinsky did block it, perhaps it was due to no successor lined up? Or they had to discuss who was coming in before pulling trigger? Edit: perhaps unpopular but points wise I think they maybe did the right thing, purely points wise 8 points from 12. Lost against city and Liverpool.
Loppy with go down as a terrible appointment but for me the amateurish and classless actions of the ownership will live longer in my mind. Fingers crossed Potter has a better run and everyday that goes by we are closer to new owners lol COYI!!
The problem is that Sully wants to be Chairman, Manager, Chief Scout, Negotiator, and everything that involves responsibility at the club. He clearly has trust issues. He can never relinquish full control to anyone and initially says yes then claws it back. Therefore, HE is the biggest problem. Steidten is obviously not innocent in all of this but he's not working under the right conditions to thrive, and neither will Potter. It's already common knowledge that Sully's not convinced. Will be interesting to see how this all pans out... A step in the right direction today though. ⚒
I think it's too early to judge Tim and his level of success at West Ham - it's only been 1 window, 5 months ago that he had as free a reign as you can get at a club (unless you are the owner 😉)... Granted there were mistakes, like the Osman debacle, although I think we dodged a bullet there... Even with a diluted role under Moyes he signed Kudus and Alvarez, both impressive at the time both holding value at a minimum with Kudus being significantly worth more now... People moan about Guilherme but I am happy we done that deal, it being the first was a statement from Tim too... I think he's been alright, even impressive..! I like the signings and think Steidten shines most with the bidding, negotiating and ability to attract players that would probably not of come to us without his involvement... What worries me with him is the leaking of info this past week, I think he's good at using the media to his end as we saw in the summer but think if he was behind the Potter leaks it was a mistake and maybe a mis-step too far... I personally want and hope he stays, I think he'll work well with Potter and should get the opportunity... Pulling the plug early on Loppy was necessary, doing so with Tim would be a massive backward step...
Also, I don't mind him being around them players at the training ground and the stadium/changing room on match days... Seeing first hand the way the manager works with players, how players work with the coaching team etc would be valuable to him I think... I heard a group within the squad, or one of the players who was talking for a number of them, approached Steidten and raised concerns about Lopetagui, possibly more than once... I believe they used him as a conduit to get messages higher up about concerns they had... I've heard the same about Mark Noble and believe that it's true - that both are probably true, not one or the other but that both had players approach them at least once each, probably more than that tbh... I know they probably have Tim's number etc but having him around the players it not only allowed the opportunity to talk to him in person but also allowed relationships and trust to be built up between himself and the players... If he was just a contact in their phones and they had only seen him when they signed, that's if he signed them as only those that arrived since him would know him, if that were the case it would be unlikely they'd trust him with their concerns... I think in Germany and a lot of Europe it's not unusual for a Director Of Football, or people in equivalent roles, to be in and around the players and to have a more prominent presence, I personally don't mind and see the benefits...
Steitden had a mixed bag this window, but still think his an asset to our club, who knows what Guilherme be in a couple of years time for instance, just glad Loppy gone feeling more optimistic already⚒⚒⚒
Sullivan-orientated spin about Steidten being sacked: he isn't going anywhere; he is the only competent person regarding the transfer market at WHUFC. It is a replacement of the head coach, not manager😊
I hope Tim doesn't go. I think hes our best signing in years. The guy can go out and get players to actually sign for us. Just 6 months ago everyone was singing his praises about how good he was. Some of his signings haven't done well thus far, but its half way through their first season and under what i regard as a poor manager. I still think they'll come good. I'd be devastated if Tim goes
Tbf many haven’t been keen on him. Am still in the middle, my opinion of him hasn’t really changed but people’s opinions of my opinions have 😂 when he arrived I was too harsh and now am too nice, is the general vibe. But I had a pre West Ham opinion and am getting more evidence on him however am still unsure, I don’t think he’s been here long enough.
@HammersChat if you rematch the videos on this channel over the summer transfer people were impressed with how he did business and who he brought in. The transfers haven't worked out but the vast majority were very happy with the summer transfer window in late September. Hindsight is 20/20 they say, but I was very impressed with how he got signings over the line
@ I think he’s excellent at closing deals. I think a lot assumed Rodriguez and Soler etc would fit with what Lopetegui wanted and I think that’s a fair assumption for fans to make when they don’t know the players too well - that the person in charge of transfers is capable of identifying players to fit the head coach. Changing your mind when presented with data is an excellent characteristic to have imo and if fans have changed their view due to what they’ve seen, I think that’s very fair.
@@HammersChatyeah that's totally fair to now stand back and say, you know what they haven't worked out. But what I'm saying is, it's easy to do that after we've seen them play. Look at the Todibo signing video and look at the comments section. Everyone was excited about the signing and everyone was praising Tim. There were nonreal concerns raised the Todibo would flop and there was even suggestions that he would need time to settle down into the team. What I'm saying is - WHU have struggled to find someone who can actually bring players in which we're excited to see arrive. AWB's arrive excited me. Yes we can take a step back and say, it's not worked out, but we were excited at the time. He can't get them all right, and if I'm honest I think it's still too early to be sure if some of these players are flops or not. Even Tevez (my favourite and most exciting signing my lifetime) didn't really kick off until later in the season. All I'm saying is, I had a really exciting and enjoyable summer due to the players Tim brought in and we've struggled with that for decades. It would be a shame to lose that due to a few flops (which might still come good). Just my own thoughts
He was successful before Brighton took a Scandinavian team from nowhere into the knockout stage of champions league and gave arsenal a bloody nose that's what got him noticed, Swansea took him because the way he changed them, then he went to Brighton and his front two were Murray or maupay but he got a tune out of the made better players out of Lewis dunk and solly march even danny welbeck
If McCauley comes in then Tim is probably history (unless he really is Kretinsky’s man). If you believe the stories then he is more key to player recruitment than Ashworth was. Can’t see Ashworth coming in unless Sullivan backs away (which we know is very unlikely….). He was the guy behind the Strategy and Vision at Brighton…
Happy about Potter,he talks sense on the whole and tries to play good football,think he can unify the fanbase. Jury out on Steidten,if Sullivan is doing the transfers then really all he is doing is a scouting job,with that in mind he gets far too much airtime
Sullivan is the ring master at West Ham. All this nonsense comes from Him…! He always blames somebody else for His failures, sully always needs a scapegoat 🎪
It’s a pity we can’t sack the owners for poor performance……As far as the league table goes for owner competence we are definitely in the relegation zone.
@ no fair enough, I do see where your coming from. I was just thinking what positions he may see that needs sorting & that does seem like a position that does so he was the first name that sprung to mind.
@ lol, tbf, I have never noticed that, I will have to keep an eye out for it next time he is in goal. That’s another reason I was thinking about Sanchez because of how well he did under him at Brighton specifically.
I think stieden and potter would get on well same age group and I think more likely to work together well. Actually I'm sure everything will be great. Fullrug is coming good. Todibo not his fault that he fell out with Lop. Mav us dodgy and the young Brazilian I think will come good
Steidten has had some success, and some failure. "There is no smoke without fire" and there are a lot of rumours going around about him being responsible for a lot of the leaks. Honestly, I am super happy with Potter and if he doesn't want Steidten, then I say get rid
No long term success, or visions Under Sullivan and Brady..... I think Potter has a point to prove....i think he will be a success within the parameters that come with being manager at West Ham United.
Finally someone is being honest about the cup win (that everyone rolls out for comparison between Moyes and anyone else) - I'm 100% with Frankie here, I think the cup win was luck - or to be more precise, MOYES was lucky, but the players made their own luck. Fornals last minute goal against AZ Alkmar and Bowen's last minute winner in the final are great examples of Moyes riding his luck - he sure as hell didn't have much clue about how to adapt the game to the different teams we played (as was demonstrated in the Europa league games).
Sack Tim for challenging and wanting better than a flawed mamager he never wanted. He identified talent and done deals for players we would never normally have done. Goblin hired him to do a job and not to bow at his every command. He should not be sacked because Sully's choice didnt work out. Loppy's one in a very long list of woeful decisions.
Dharmesh apparently has said on Sky that there has been friction at boardroom level with Steidten and that it is him who wanted Potter, not all the boardroom so I can't see him going anywhere, but hey who knows with this club
@HammersChat Brady looking for a scapegoat if things don't work out? You cynical sod 😂😂(fatherhood does that to you, belated Congratulations to you and the Misses)
We’ve been told differently and explained why we believe it. As I always say ‘believe what you want’ but that’s what I believe, you’re allowed to believe different.
Not sure why people’s opinion of potter seems to be poor. He’s done a great job everywhere he has been, had clubs pay to take him from a previous club on two occasions. Yes he failed at chelsea but I I’m sure there was 3 managers that were in chelsea after that also failed. If we are allowed to say our board work against our team, you could say the same for Chelsea no?
Is there any possibility that Steidten had been scouting and making contacts for players that would have worked with the likes of Amorim / Slot / Potter who he'd been looking at, and they were who he put forward, but then Sully went for Loppy who didn't know how to use them?
How can we be saying I’m 50/50 with him we just had the worst manager in our history we as fans have gotta sort it out and just accept potter he’s a very good manager
Because people can have an opinion. We will only ever encourage honest views on this channel. We will never encourage positivity for the sake of it or negativity for the sake of it. If you want people celebrating Potter and suggesting he’s going to win us the league then there may be another channel for you. We got stick for not being positive enough about Lopetegui, it’s better to be honest.
Brighton fan here wishing the best of luck with Potter. He played some great football with us and before our new arch rivals chelsea came along he had us flying high. That did take about two years or so and it seems that Potter needs that kinda time to bed himself in and do whatever a managers does, to get the team in a good position. I'm unsure if he will get that time at West ham but we will see, although you all know far better than i do about how West ham is run. Hopefully potter works magic, was great to see you guys win the conference league a few years ago.
I recall Potter playing good football at Brighton, but also having 2 relegation dog fights in the 2 full seasons he had with you guys.
Not much difference to what Lopetegui was doing here.
With a team that only just come up know ur stuff before u reply
@@paulsage6851 what have I said that's not true?
@@K1NG_EDWARD totally different situation!
@@paulsage6851 different situation, same results
Sullivan's suggestion that Potter's success at Brighton was helped by that club's infrastructure leads to the conclusion that if Potter fails at West Ham it will be down to West Ham's infrastructure, i.e. down to Sullivan.
Exactly. Can’t have it both ways.
Anyone who is a problem of Sullivan’s should be a friend of ours
Ain't that the truth.
Posted this as a reply, but thought I'd give it it's own post in case anyone was interested:
I started following West Ham in 03/04 when we were in the Championship (stupid teenager I was). In that time we have had an average Premier League postion of 11.68, and an average points per season in the Premier League of 44.73.
In the last 4 seasons with Moyes (not inlcluding the two seasons where he came in and saved us from relegation, I couldn't be bothered compiling partial season stats) we have had an average Premier League position of 9.00, and an average points per season of 53.25.
I think it's pretty easy to forget what was going on fairly regularly prior to the 2020/2021 season. We sucked. Before 2020/2021, we had placed better than 10th in the Premier League 3 times since 03/04. 9th under Pardew in 2005/2006, 9th under Zola in 2008/2009 and 7th under Bilic in 2015/2016. In the last 4 years, we came 6th, 7th, 14th and 9th. This is not normal for West Ham.
Our top 5 premier league points totals in the premier league since 2003/2004 years are: 65 under Moyes in 2020/2021, 62 under Bilic in 2015/2016, 56 under Moyes in 21/22, 55 under Pardew in 2005/2006 and 52 under Moyes in 2023/2024 (that got him sacked). This means that 3 of our best 5 points totals since 2003/2004 have occured in the last 5 years. West Ham have experienced an unprecidented level of success since 2020.
To think this is business as usual is completely fallacous and incorrect, and to expect it to continue in the post-Moyes era is optimistic verging on stupid. I hope that Potter can also perform above traditional expectations for West Ham, but it's important to remember that historically mid-table is a good season.
Soler, Todibo, Killman, Summerville, Wan-Bissaka and Fullkrug are good signings. Its Lopetegui that was the problem. Hope I don't regret saying that at the end of the season.
Completely agree with you
I haven't seen Fullkrug do anything worthy of his transfer fee.
@@gerrycollins2335 I guess we will find out after January.
Something to look forward to now that long overdue departure of our coach has materialised. I just hope Potter is given the freedom to play the way he sees fit.
We all know that the poison dwarf is the reason the club is run like a shitshow
And when we finished high in the league and won a European trophy was that down to him too.
We should have finished higher had they spent some money,we might have won a proper European cup
@dannyboyboar6320 you sound like a Tottenham fan
I don’t know why but I’m becoming very optimistic regarding Potter. Sometimes it’s a case of the right person at the right time. I agree this is the perfect opportunity for him and given the circumstances for us as well We need to get 100% behind him
I have hope, it’s a good appointment for where we are but do think things need to change for him to be a success
@HammersChat
Agreed. Turmoil is par for the course at West Ham at this time.
Potter didn't survive Chelsea's behind the scenes basket weaving. I doubt he will flourish fully at West Ham either.
Not that I particularly doubt his abilities it's just that the sand is constantly shifting under a person's feet at this club.
Under a more stable board I think he could do better for us than he might be 'allowed' to do just now.
But then, I really wasn't thinking Sully would even pull the trigger on Lopetegui until three different sources reported he had definitely gone today 😂
Good luck Graham Potter.
Let's get behind and hope he can save this season
I don’t think it’s accurate to say that Potter developed players at Brighton so they could be sold to big clubs that was the nature of Brighton itself and those players perception of the club. Now we are a bigger club and want to be considerably bigger still but like it or not as things stand players like Kudus and previously Paqueta were only ever at West Ham as a middleman to move onto better things. So we need to either avoid players like that or use them to gradually improve the club to the point where as with Aston Villa and Newcastle they are far less likely to want to move onto better things. As you say that’s a club issue not a Potter issue he would only want to move people on if they become disruptive or if the support falls below what he needs and moving them on may provide the budget to improve the team overall.
Trouble is Sullivan wants the managers to develop assets we can sell for squillions.
Sullivan has said it not like we want to sell them, but he seems resided to the fact that he can’t stop our best players being poached, because they want to leave once their heads are turned.
When is Sullivan going!!
When someone is daft enough to buy him out lol
Interesting point
Frankie was excellent as always, a lot in common, my opinion on Potter is we are in for a couple of years of mid table mediocrity. The club still hasn`t decide a vision an identity a style, just moving from one manager to another who just happens to be unemployed.
That said, prove me wrong please Harry.
Sure beats relegation battles every second year. Mid table mediocrity is a good result for West Ham historically.
Since you said to prove you wrong, I compliled some stats. I started following West Ham in 03/04 when we were in the Championship (stupid teenage I was). In that time we have had an average Premier League postion of 11.68, and an average points per season of 44.73.
In the last 4 seasons with Moyes (not inlcluding the two seasons where he came in and saved us from relegation, I couldn't be bothered compiling partial season stats) we have had an average Premier League position of 9, and an average points per season of 53.25.
I think it's pretty easy to forget what was going on fairly regularly prior to the 2020/2021 season. We sucked. Before 2020/2021, we had placed better than 10th in the Premier League 3 times since 03/04. 9th under Pardew in 2005/2006, 9th under Zola in 2008/2009 and 7th under Bilic in 2015/2016. In the last 4 years, we came 6th, 7th, 14th and 9th. This is not normal for West Ham.
Our top 5 premier league points totals in the premier league since 2003/2004 years are: 65 under Moyes in 2020/2021, 62 under Bilic in 2015/2016, 56 under Moyes in 21/22, 55 under Pardew in 2005/2006 and 52 under Moyes in 2023/2024 (that got him sacked). This means that 3 of our best 5 points totals since 2003/2004 have occured in the last 5 years. West Ham have experienced an unprecidented level of success since 2020. To think this is business and usual is completely fallacous and incorrect, and to expect it to continue in the post-Moyes era is optimistic verging on stupid. I hope that Potter can also perform above traditional expectations for West Ham, but it's important to remember that tradtionally mid-table is a good season.
I'm sure you're right about Steidten and Kretinski. It would also show why Steidten feels able to be a bit of a player and Sullivan resents it.
I think that there's merit in it. If Sullivan wants Steidten gone, he could just fire him, instead all he can do is try and undermine him.
Funny how power works, really. If Sullivan had done the job he has done as owner (in terms of choosing + signing players) in Steidten’s position, Sullivan would have sacked him years ago. He can fail and get away with it because he owns the club
But in contrast - bring me Ashworth and he can leave
Last sentence is a perfect summary
Spot on, been saying for years any success we have is more luck than judgment.
Brilliant watch as always lads, enjoy Frankie’s hot takes on things, hope alls well with the family geo! Was also wondering what Frankie’s association is with cray wanderers, heard he mentioned training and games on Saturdays and Sundays?
His little one plays for them and Frankie now manages the team
Come on gents, why so negative? Let's do our bit and get behind the team. You never know, it might work out....
Opinions ≠ support
@@HammersChat Really enjoy the show by the way. Keep up the good work!
I'm gaining optimism, we could well have a possibility of enjoying football again. Welcome Graham, you weren't my first choice (much like Lop) but we already like you more than the last two so we need you to do well!
Do you have a more positive vibe about Potter than you did Lopetegui though? Just seeing if you are similar to myself
@@HammersChat Marginally.
Frankie u are 💯 on Potter big opportunity for him he has to deliver big time but u never know
So do you think Kretinski gave Steidten the green light to leak Lopetegui’s sacking Geo?
I don’t think Steidten leaked it, all started with an agent, who speaks to david Sullivan.
At least he should be able to get his Philosophy across to the players because of no language barrier, every cloud ☁️ and all that
No to Ashworth, considering how Brighton has progressed after Potter and Ashworth left, it points to Tony Bloom and his AI analytics team that did the heavy lifting.
Also, considering the headlines from Sky and Manchester Evening News ... "Dan Ashworth overruled at Man Utd over Southgate", "Dan Ashworth pushed for Gareth Southgate at Man United". I'll rather not have him in charge of the direction of the club if that's his professional judgement of what constitutes a good coach - and for Man. Utd of all places.
You think an AI is picking the players at Brighton 😂
@@DC-uf6ve Sure, way to misunderstand to context. Bravo. Or, do you really think the Analytics team is AI itself, then you're some kind of special.
Or could it be the case that they employ AI as a tool to process, filter and refined the data the Analytics department have gathered. I wonder which context is more likely.
Totally agree. Its not the director of football going out scouting players its the analytics and scouting team. Man U soon got rid of him when they realised he didnt bring much to the table and Brighton and Newcastle have kicked on since he left.
@@traxop1902 that's just an algorithm not an AI Mr Clever. I expect big Tony has a crew of nanobots building youth players yeah?
As a WHU fan who lives in Swansea the job he did with the Swans shouldn't be overlooked.
If you take Chelsea out of the equation as they were a poisoned chalice for a long time, each club he has gone to has been a positive progression.
Chelsea was a step too far but if you think that we might be his level then it might just work out well.
Can we have Frankie as head coach pls?
Isn’t 2.5 years standard manager contract now, Amorim signed a 2.5yr contract and Iraola has similar but just signed a new 2 yr extension recently & Silva signed a 3 year, so I think that length is pretty much the norm now
My hope with Potter is seeing Forest this year, I'm hoping that he can do a similar thing and maybe this is the job that fits and it works for us both
Interesting chat but Tim hasn't delivered yet
But he has got all the deals over the line...Let's be real he doesn't choose the signings he closes them.
And before Tim, how frustrating was it watching Sullivan struggle to close deals and watch them constantly fall through.
I think we need a proper scouting system so Tim can get some real talent over the line.
All the successfully run clubs are not relying on one man to identify and sign targets, they have a full infrastructure backing the d.o.f.
As long as Sullivan is no longer the one sitting down with our targets it's still better than it was! But we still need to build on our scouting staff.
I totally agree with you Geo, that’s what I thought and that would explain why Sullivan is not keen on steidten as he probably reports back to Kretinski , now is the time to see how Tim works with a progressive manager employed who wants to use youth, hopefully they are both singing from the same hymn sheet 🙏🤞, I’d like him to have a bit more time personally
Nice seeing you geo with frankie and frankie your right luck don't let anyone tell you different .look at the final fiorontina were the better side only paqetta bowen and happening end of game won that . Nice to win farmers cup like h did inter toto 99 but luck .
So sky sports news are reporting that potter was steidtens choice not Sullivans.......wasn't expecting that.
Totally agree
That’s what we need at West Ham infrastructure
I agree re TS it makes total sense, the power struggle goes on and explains the undermining of him from Sullivan from early on. Done himself no favours but seriously I warned 8 months ago the brewing disaster of expecting to transform a team in around 2 months because Sullivan refused to payoff Moyes for those last dying useless months post last Christmas. I said anything better than 50% success with new players would be a bonus. Duran/Fulkrug were the killers but what’s the full story there, but we have to be realistic, when you need 8 or 9 players you end up taking risks on second, third or fourth choices at some point and some you buy are in and out of favour not necessarily based on talent either. You are right, luck over judgement indeed is the influencing factor here and will be while the clowns are in control.
You have to have the players, no one will do anything with what we have, we need a Quality Keeper/centre half/fast energetic Centre midfielder/ centre forward/ right through the middle ⚒️
I totally agree that the cup win a lot of luck.
How Moyes managed to get a contract after only getting ONE POINT more than Pellegrini boggles my mind, but his time coincided with Rice coming into his own. I think the COVID situation also seemed to benefit him.
There were rumblings of getting him rid of him during the World Cup break and that season's performance only validates that, but the run in the UECL and, ultimately, the win, diverted attention from the poor run in the league and facilitated another European, that we wouldn't have had.
Nothing to do with luck
Spurs and villa couldnt win it with worse teams to play against
The amount of times I have had arguments with fellow fans and also opposition fans over the same thing our European cup runs papered over the rapidly regessing league form and the third year was only because we won a cup we were massive favourites to win
What is long term success? Do we know what that looks like? For me it is attacking football and pushing for Europe, trying for a cup? Or is there another definition?
Same for me as well Brian. You say attacking but I say enjoyable.
interesting that @JacobSteinberg is also reporting "Worth stressing there are no break clauses or targets for Potter to hit here" in regards to his 2 1/2 year deal
I know this is about Steidten but have you heard about Alvarez to Monaco rumor?
Seen the rumour mate and, ironically, the man reporting it is mates with Tim so I’d imagine there is some truth
I’m more enthusiastic than Frankie about potter, we should be a lot better tactically and think we need a couple signings especially in midfield.. players need to take some responsibility and step up.. hopefully it clicks
If TS is a Kresinsky man then could Tim winding up staff and talking to players been a deliberate ploy to push the tension between himself and Loppy in getting him sacked - just a thought
We don't know if the signings are good or not until we see them under Potter.
Wow, Sullivan really took his “don’t fire a manager until you have a replacement ready” theory to a ridiculous extreme this week, but at least it’s over. Hopefully Potter can do a good job.
Your audio seems to be ‘booming’? Check the levels
I think Tim is the deal closer not the deal chooser.
Sullivan was notorious for failing to get signings over the line, Tim gets them done.
As a fan base we was always furious with failed approaches Tim takes that heat off Sullivan.
Totally on board with Frankie regards Moyes bit of luck bringing a trophy. I'm not one of those that demean pur ECL win but I firmly believe Moyes success was a happy accident rather than part of a Sully masterplan.
Our biggest players have ambitions? Because I can't think of many that have shown that they do. Bowen for sure. Soucek too. That's about it though. No one else has put in the effort that says 'I want Europe'.
Potter has been brought in on the basis of transfers apparently, so if Tim goes who does the signing? ⚒ ⚒
🎪🤹♂️ will continue as long as sully is the ring master 😢⚒⚒🫧🫧
Not super Timmy! 😢
We can finally move on and look forward to Villa cup game. Don't want to be distracted by more of the backroom toxicity. Agree, Steidten is eyes and ears for Kretinsky, who now knows how dysfunctional club is, and if he were to take over, the extent of the infrastructure rebuild and clear out.
I like the TS theory but it is said TS never wanted Lop and felt he should be sacked. However DK blocked DS from sacking Lop after Leicester game, so how do we square that one 🤔
I’ll throw a couple of things back to you for the sake of debate - perhaps DK didn’t block the sacking and that rumour is incorrect. (Personally struggle to believe Sullivan was ready to sack Lopetegui but they did have that meeting)
But if Kretinsky did block it, perhaps it was due to no successor lined up? Or they had to discuss who was coming in before pulling trigger?
Edit: perhaps unpopular but points wise I think they maybe did the right thing, purely points wise
8 points from 12. Lost against city and Liverpool.
@@HammersChat I think that your maths is wrong.
Loppy with go down as a terrible appointment but for me the amateurish and classless actions of the ownership will live longer in my mind.
Fingers crossed Potter has a better run and everyday that goes by we are closer to new owners lol COYI!!
Don't want Ashworth anywhere near my club. He wanted Southgate over Amorim at Man Utd. Unforgivably poor judgement. No thanks.
The problem is that Sully wants to be Chairman, Manager, Chief Scout, Negotiator, and everything that involves responsibility at the club. He clearly has trust issues. He can never relinquish full control to anyone and initially says yes then claws it back. Therefore, HE is the biggest problem. Steidten is obviously not innocent in all of this but he's not working under the right conditions to thrive, and neither will Potter. It's already common knowledge that Sully's not convinced. Will be interesting to see how this all pans out... A step in the right direction today though. ⚒
We should of looked at the squad and potential targets, then picked a manager that compliment it, instead of best for your budget
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@@AJ-rd4ng old Mcdonald was dyslexic E I J P Q
I think it's too early to judge Tim and his level of success at West Ham - it's only been 1 window, 5 months ago that he had as free a reign as you can get at a club (unless you are the owner 😉)... Granted there were mistakes, like the Osman debacle, although I think we dodged a bullet there... Even with a diluted role under Moyes he signed Kudus and Alvarez, both impressive at the time both holding value at a minimum with Kudus being significantly worth more now... People moan about Guilherme but I am happy we done that deal, it being the first was a statement from Tim too... I think he's been alright, even impressive..! I like the signings and think Steidten shines most with the bidding, negotiating and ability to attract players that would probably not of come to us without his involvement... What worries me with him is the leaking of info this past week, I think he's good at using the media to his end as we saw in the summer but think if he was behind the Potter leaks it was a mistake and maybe a mis-step too far... I personally want and hope he stays, I think he'll work well with Potter and should get the opportunity... Pulling the plug early on Loppy was necessary, doing so with Tim would be a massive backward step...
Also, I don't mind him being around them players at the training ground and the stadium/changing room on match days... Seeing first hand the way the manager works with players, how players work with the coaching team etc would be valuable to him I think... I heard a group within the squad, or one of the players who was talking for a number of them, approached Steidten and raised concerns about Lopetagui, possibly more than once... I believe they used him as a conduit to get messages higher up about concerns they had... I've heard the same about Mark Noble and believe that it's true - that both are probably true, not one or the other but that both had players approach them at least once each, probably more than that tbh... I know they probably have Tim's number etc but having him around the players it not only allowed the opportunity to talk to him in person but also allowed relationships and trust to be built up between himself and the players... If he was just a contact in their phones and they had only seen him when they signed, that's if he signed them as only those that arrived since him would know him, if that were the case it would be unlikely they'd trust him with their concerns... I think in Germany and a lot of Europe it's not unusual for a Director Of Football, or people in equivalent roles, to be in and around the players and to have a more prominent presence, I personally don't mind and see the benefits...
Steitden had a mixed bag this window, but still think his an asset to our club, who knows what Guilherme be in a couple of years time for instance, just glad Loppy gone feeling more optimistic already⚒⚒⚒
Well they did on lop he only had a 2 year contract
I wouldn’t wish the loppy treatment on anyone especially not surf shark 😂
Disappointed in the potter appointment. Would’ve preferred Fonseca; hope he proves me wrong.
What staff have gone and come in. Website only showing Xavi.
All gone bar Xavi, then Billy Reid, Bruno and Narcis Pelach have come in
@@HammersChat Billy ex Hamilton manager LOL
Sullivan-orientated spin about Steidten being sacked: he isn't going anywhere; he is the only competent person regarding the transfer market at WHUFC. It is a replacement of the head coach, not manager😊
I hope Tim doesn't go. I think hes our best signing in years. The guy can go out and get players to actually sign for us. Just 6 months ago everyone was singing his praises about how good he was. Some of his signings haven't done well thus far, but its half way through their first season and under what i regard as a poor manager. I still think they'll come good. I'd be devastated if Tim goes
Tbf many haven’t been keen on him.
Am still in the middle, my opinion of him hasn’t really changed but people’s opinions of my opinions have 😂 when he arrived I was too harsh and now am too nice, is the general vibe. But I had a pre West Ham opinion and am getting more evidence on him however am still unsure, I don’t think he’s been here long enough.
Dunno about that. He overpaid for every signing he's brought in. Considerably overpaid.
@HammersChat if you rematch the videos on this channel over the summer transfer people were impressed with how he did business and who he brought in.
The transfers haven't worked out but the vast majority were very happy with the summer transfer window in late September. Hindsight is 20/20 they say, but I was very impressed with how he got signings over the line
@ I think he’s excellent at closing deals.
I think a lot assumed Rodriguez and Soler etc would fit with what Lopetegui wanted and I think that’s a fair assumption for fans to make when they don’t know the players too well - that the person in charge of transfers is capable of identifying players to fit the head coach.
Changing your mind when presented with data is an excellent characteristic to have imo and if fans have changed their view due to what they’ve seen, I think that’s very fair.
@@HammersChatyeah that's totally fair to now stand back and say, you know what they haven't worked out. But what I'm saying is, it's easy to do that after we've seen them play. Look at the Todibo signing video and look at the comments section. Everyone was excited about the signing and everyone was praising Tim. There were nonreal concerns raised the Todibo would flop and there was even suggestions that he would need time to settle down into the team. What I'm saying is - WHU have struggled to find someone who can actually bring players in which we're excited to see arrive. AWB's arrive excited me. Yes we can take a step back and say, it's not worked out, but we were excited at the time. He can't get them all right, and if I'm honest I think it's still too early to be sure if some of these players are flops or not. Even Tevez (my favourite and most exciting signing my lifetime) didn't really kick off until later in the season. All I'm saying is, I had a really exciting and enjoyable summer due to the players Tim brought in and we've struggled with that for decades. It would be a shame to lose that due to a few flops (which might still come good). Just my own thoughts
He was successful before Brighton took a Scandinavian team from nowhere into the knockout stage of champions league and gave arsenal a bloody nose that's what got him noticed, Swansea took him because the way he changed them, then he went to Brighton and his front two were Murray or maupay but he got a tune out of the made better players out of Lewis dunk and solly march even danny welbeck
If McCauley comes in then Tim is probably history (unless he really is Kretinsky’s man). If you believe the stories then he is more key to player recruitment than Ashworth was. Can’t see Ashworth coming in unless Sullivan backs away (which we know is very unlikely….). He was the guy behind the Strategy and Vision at Brighton…
Fans should all know kretinsky brought steidten in and kretinsky is not someone who Sullivan can pull the wool over his eyes
Evening guys I definitely think potter is great with players I think he’ll definitely get the best out of who we have and get from now on
Is Lopetegui the first manager on the list when it comes to releif at a West Ham managers sacking? Who would be the top 3?
Happy about Potter,he talks sense on the whole and tries to play good football,think he can unify the fanbase.
Jury out on Steidten,if Sullivan is doing the transfers then really all he is doing is a scouting job,with that in mind he gets far too much airtime
If Ashworth comes in then they can sack anybody it doesn’t matter
Indeed improve our own team
Steitden out, Ashworth in. My preference was Eddie Howe, but I'm all for Graham Potter. After Flopi I think he will be a breath of fresh air.
Sullivan is the ring master at West Ham. All this nonsense comes from Him…! He always blames somebody else for His failures, sully always needs a scapegoat 🎪
I want david salvant to get the quote
Arsenal and Liverpool want Tim stieden for a reason it's just Sullivan wants to be in charge of all
Hearing that Alvarez could be in his way out on loan with obligation to buy any truth in this?
Unsure but seen the same rumour, but what you’ve heard as escalated from the original rumour which didn’t mention an obligation
It’s a pity we can’t sack the owners for poor performance……As far as the league table goes for owner competence we are definitely in the relegation zone.
Does anyone think he might want Robert Sanchez to come over from Chelsea? Was key to the way he played at Brighton from the back?
I hope not, he’s been terrible
@ no fair enough, I do see where your coming from. I was just thinking what positions he may see that needs sorting & that does seem like a position that does so he was the first name that sprung to mind.
Tbf he was good under him at Brighton and think it’s a position we do need to sort in summer, Areola can’t kick to his left to save his life
@@HammersChat did he use Chilwell much? Could be an option at leftback
@ lol, tbf, I have never noticed that, I will have to keep an eye out for it next time he is in goal. That’s another reason I was thinking about Sanchez because of how well he did under him at Brighton specifically.
I think stieden and potter would get on well same age group and I think more likely to work together well. Actually I'm sure everything will be great.
Fullrug is coming good. Todibo not his fault that he fell out with Lop. Mav us dodgy and the young Brazilian I think will come good
Steidten has had some success, and some failure. "There is no smoke without fire" and there are a lot of rumours going around about him being responsible for a lot of the leaks. Honestly, I am super happy with Potter and if he doesn't want Steidten, then I say get rid
No long term success, or visions Under Sullivan and Brady..... I think Potter has a point to prove....i think he will be a success within the parameters that come with being manager at West Ham United.
Finally someone is being honest about the cup win (that everyone rolls out for comparison between Moyes and anyone else) - I'm 100% with Frankie here, I think the cup win was luck - or to be more precise, MOYES was lucky, but the players made their own luck. Fornals last minute goal against AZ Alkmar and Bowen's last minute winner in the final are great examples of Moyes riding his luck - he sure as hell didn't have much clue about how to adapt the game to the different teams we played (as was demonstrated in the Europa league games).
Half committed. That's Sullivans first name.
I’m sure he’s been planning his team
Who knows
That’s just it - nobody really but we enjoy discussing it anyway mate, hope you are well
Sack Tim for challenging and wanting better than a flawed mamager he never wanted. He identified talent and done deals for players we would never normally have done. Goblin hired him to do a job and not to bow at his every command. He should not be sacked because Sully's choice didnt work out. Loppy's one in a very long list of woeful decisions.
Dharmesh apparently has said on Sky that there has been friction at boardroom level with Steidten and that it is him who wanted Potter, not all the boardroom so I can't see him going anywhere, but hey who knows with this club
As much as I like Dharmesh, not sure his West Ham news has been as good as it once was. I think this one was largely driven by Karren Brady.
You cynical sod 😂@@HammersChat
@HammersChat Brady looking for a scapegoat if things don't work out? You cynical sod 😂😂(fatherhood does that to you, belated Congratulations to you and the Misses)
That dude scrapes the internet, X and sites like KUMB for his 'scoops'.
@@unclem7816 Never rated him.
The picture of them together was already identified as an old picture
We’ve been told differently and explained why we believe it.
As I always say ‘believe what you want’ but that’s what I believe, you’re allowed to believe different.
@HammersChat Independent I think it was confirmed it was an old picture.
@HammersChat Alex Pattle at the Independent says they think it's been confirmed as old.
Okay well I think it’s been confirmed as recent 😂
@HammersChat Rob Dorsset at Sky also claiming he's been told it's old.
Frankie how are things going at Cray?
Big learning curve 🤣😂 but everyone is great and supportive.
Didn't steidten bring in data driven analytics with his brother and one other whose name escapes me
Not sure why people’s opinion of potter seems to be poor.
He’s done a great job everywhere he has been, had clubs pay to take him from a previous club on two occasions.
Yes he failed at chelsea but I I’m sure there was 3 managers that were in chelsea after that also failed.
If we are allowed to say our board work against our team, you could say the same for Chelsea no?
I agree, steidens signings have been average at best !
Is there any possibility that Steidten had been scouting and making contacts for players that would have worked with the likes of Amorim / Slot / Potter who he'd been looking at, and they were who he put forward, but then Sully went for Loppy who didn't know how to use them?
Just heard whetstone on talk shite,saying Stieden was brought in by Kretinsky
Yes mate. We have covered this numerous times.
Might not be a bad thing that Timmy gets the sack, he does seem to be the cause of a lot of friction at the club these days.
I don’t think he’s too popular anyway
Get Ashworth in (the real pearl diver)
Wheyyy get the badge in
I don't think we've got that many talented players,overhyped ones yeah,most of them don't look bothered and they give up
I think under Potter it will look good for our youngsters Potts Earthy Marshall etc
COYI ⚒️
How can we be saying I’m 50/50 with him we just had the worst manager in our history we as fans have gotta sort it out and just accept potter he’s a very good manager
Because people can have an opinion. We will only ever encourage honest views on this channel.
We will never encourage positivity for the sake of it or negativity for the sake of it. If you want people celebrating Potter and suggesting he’s going to win us the league then there may be another channel for you.
We got stick for not being positive enough about Lopetegui, it’s better to be honest.