Most appreciated Mike. Your channel is a much better quality than mine. I hope to reach your standard someday. I have quite a bit of content right now that needs editing. But am going in for back surgery tomorrow morning (been a real challenge videoing) . I'm hoping while I heal up, I'll just sit down and edit, and get them loaded up. Again not all EH stuff, but a major portion.
No I do not. I realize I don't know the full story on this 99, but there could be a lot of hidden bad things with a "brand new" 99 (tires, updates, major fuel issues since its been sitting with fuel in it for over 20 years, etc.). Current values within the X community are more "real". A great shape, low miles (less than 25000) with all the updates done X (99 or 00), is worth at the very highest $7000, unless its something very special (one off color, promotional, mule, prototype). A high mileage good shape, all updates done.... closer to 6000. Still in the crate bikes untouched.... have come down IMHO.... used to be around 15000, and now closer to 10000 or less. (last few years have seen them go for less) Show room floor bikes, with no updates, no miles, would be IMHO around 8000. Note although I'm involved with the community, and do keep an eye on the values, this is still my opinion. The markets flux all the time. For example.... 3 weeks ago very close to me a 99 with 1500 miles (yes 1500), just sold privately for less than $4000. This is an exception, but does set an average. And again this past winter another with close description as above, went for even less. $11000 for a new X..... too much money.
Thank you very much!! My Uncle bought his 99 brand new and less than 5000 miles on his, I kbow Fer fact he hasn't done any updates that is primarily why he doesn't ride his,He is a collector of the antique Hendersons but doesn't know a while lot about the pricing of the new ones, Thank for the info!! Ps he has a 24 Henderson Deluxe!!
@@Lukas72878 1924 Henderson Deluxe.... what a sweetie that'd be. I attend the antique motorcycle cannonball every chance I get. Being I live in the midwest, we get to see all the bikes on their day off (36 hours). If your Uncle ever gets the chance to attend, he'd really enjoy this event, seeing these old scoots do what they did back in the day is unworldly, yet very satisfying. . Those Hendersons are pretty zippy at the start of each day. I love the old stuff.... your uncle is lucky to have a collection. Its all out of my price range now. My only collectible from the old world is a fuel tank from a 1923 Henderson with "Omaha Police" and a badge on it. Most of it is rotted away, but I keep it in a display case. A 5000 mile 99 with no updates in the X community is worth around $5500. Sometimes, but not often an owner can get lucky on ebay or craigs list, and sell to someone who doesn't know any better. Unfortuantely, general public treats our 99-00 EH's as orphans and will not touch them. And that is sad, not because it keeps the price low, but because they are missing out on a wonderful machine and ride. This one has been on ebay for a very long time.... I think about a year. www.ebay.com/itm/125938982986?hash=item1d528c604a:g:A00AAOSwumNfWWIr&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0N2stJIs4zcTVj2qB1uXJAyNY%2FKKeEpQlCFA92P36oRlMpJP8SZAchgVTEFTyUUvvRxQXiPVXLTxekiWWuimCL0%2BPiAnMzS54kwbW2LITKytwMuxCf79ZXhqIozgq%2B1BtAOU0TvnJpm5YllLwsEzpmCjwbERx%2BUpPKuMks6ACGxyWQWxrGeJt9yHQRH85mcPnOD3xF%2FhGbKDIe%2Fj6Re2h7t8DsZAwkigvE3u9CBUix2k3OowrjXVGLD%2Btd1J%2BhLz%2BNWG5UVrbFLC%2FLOkWIldcI4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6jk_8WTYg
here's a good buy, if its all true... www.ebay.com/itm/125970037019?hash=item1d5466391b:g:o-QAAOSwi3lkgz9q&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwML7n5Q0y7yUr6QUAGJ8hNYoApbKHjGG24qkinUCUUtEYwjgpYlUPhvThM7k48XuePyqpJuvVvJJOdwjN26A11BGmaaFYQSTbwZQjRXp8J8bqP%2FHFsYBVaP3y3SQkLAzFseOCm4Jkfu9GXXA0nVDiI1dSW3cKc852QnR5nwxIx%2Ftv2b2HzlMuaBPJO3mZ%2B9AmH5fMLt6lmoTHRfVehBh3%2BFvhpUaMaKa5nPAy1StapRYe99l9xj0LSuaPD9zobC0XA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR76etNiUYg
I can't understand why anybody would want to own one of these. I'm 64, and have been a motorcycle collector for some time. I remember well the whole story on these bikes and the company. I am not familiar with each and every bike. One came up for sale on the local Craigslist a few months ago for $9000. I went and looked at it. It was in excellent condition with about 4,000 miles on it. No way of telling whether it was "original" or not, as it seems almost every one of these bikes were different in some way. I decided against buying it. I don't see how it has any historical significance. I only looked at it and considered buying it because of the low price. These bikes are at best a curiosity. They are the product of a failed company that broke every rule in the book, and caused a lot of investors, and taxpayers, to lose a lot of money. I don't really consider them much different from the Harley clone "choppers" made by so many different companies during the chopper craze of the early 2000s, or something like the Gilroy Indian, other than you can still get parts for those bikes. I don't see these bikes as ever being worth anything, either financially or historically. Nor are they good just for riding, as there are no replacement parts available when something breaks or wears out. I passed on that one.
Gerald.... thanx for your comments. Gives me opportunity about the X community common disease. All of this is IMO.... I'm guessing your and my comments here may stir up some more comments from other owners, and possible skeptics. Your comments are not unheard of. There is a group of folks out there that feel our X's are "Edsels" or "orphans" sort of speak. As a "collector", I don't know if you ride any of your bikes, or if they are static. If static, I can't give you any real reason to buy, other than it is of retro timeless design, pleasing to the eye. As I'm far from a smart financial guy, I won't comment on the failure of the company, there is much more to the story, than your simple comment. I will comment, that I do know Dan Hanlon (CEO) personally, he's a good sort!! Many of us, including myself in the past, own more than one. There are a few that believe that someday the value will climb as a collectible. But truthfully that's not the norm for us. Current market values.... for example the one you were shopping for..... at $9000 with 4000 miles is a bit high. You don't state whether the updates have been done.... (DIY around $2000, Vendor prices upwards of $3000, and depending what you want done.... $10000). Current market values, you can find a dandy X with all updates done, low miles in the $7000 range. Not always, but this would be a median. Crate bikes currently are running around $10000 or a bit lower, getting to be pretty rare to find one. And if you want to ride it, why would anyone buy a crate bike?? Why we love these bikes?: We can't go anywhere without conversations started, explaining what it is. I'd rate the ride right up there with the current best. All of the owners talk about the ride, and yeah, many owners own many motorcycles of all brands. With the small number of production, and as early as production started..... these bikes are to a sense prototypes. When I owned 3, they each had distinct differences. I've worked on several now, and they all have their personal features. Our community, has come up with all the fixes. That make these bikes as reliable as anything else out there. I now have 55000 miles on mine with no big issues, but in the beginning it was an adventure every ride. "you need to drag a magnet behind that thing". I've only started to trailer, now due to age (70) and health, but in the past I've rode to most if not all trips. 6 Sturgis, 5 motorcycle cannonballs, 4 rallys, and several club events. As for parts. ..... Tons of parts. And when parts are gone, someone makes them or the CEO of the company has another batch made from his personal "rolex". Its not uncommon for owners to come up with xcross over parts. 25 years after the first one left the factory, a huge portion are still being ridden as daily drivers. If we couldn't get parts, it would be completely different. I'd suspect "2coolwheels" to comment here, as he collects Victory's, where it appears parts are harder to find. As for the "clone" choppers.... I digress.... I like heavy cruisers, chopper doesn't fit my definition. EH, can easily be considered a clone, as all the brands were trying to get their share of the HD market, when you got what you got from the HD dealership. Our X's ride, performance, finish, prices were all better than HD of that time. Maybe even still to a degree to this day.... my opinion. My point? ... I'd like to persuade you to take another look at our beasts. Not to make a sale, but to give us a fair judgement. We have a very uncanny strong community. Our median age, I'd guess is around 55+. Not a lot of youngsters. But a lot of experienced long time riders/builders/mechanics/machinist. Take a look at our website if you get time. It will explain a lot.: xhmotorcycles.com We have a strong facebook page. And our club has I'd guess around 100 active members..... with at least 4 events every year. Historical plus update. The Super X has some design from the old Agness Scwhinn days tastefully done. But anything else historically, other than both USA built..... name only. With in the past few years Trademark rights have been sold to an India company. Rumor was that they wanted to build a bigger bike, and put it on the shores of USA.... something in the 750 size. Much respect Gerald, and most appreciate of your comments... Bruce Whitefoot aka Grandpa Grumpy Pants
I haven’t watched all 4, but does the 2000 bronze bushing retrofit onto the 1999 shifter to dampen the shaking shift lever? Thanks for your efforts, they are important and mean a lot. Years ago, we had BMWs, and knowledgeable owners in a local club were why, and how, I was able to keep 5 bikes over 20 years times, running, since there were no local dealers then.👏🏻
Yes the Bronze bushing was an update. But to be frank it really didn't solve all issues at that bracket. The 2000 brackets were known to tear at the spot welds around that bronze bushing. In fact we just replaced the one on Blue for that very issue. On 525, I got the updated bronze replacement, and it rattles substantially as you can see in the video. The old fix, which I never did, is to buy a "wavy" washer from fastenel. Place it on the shaft between the bracket and the foot shifters. This would put a touch of a load on those pieces and prevent rattling. thanx for commenting Bruce
whoops.... also that bronze bushing came with the bracket as an update from the factory. The old plastic bushing hole was much smaller. The Mike Seastrom should be able to fix you up at EHparts.net
As I have been fixing my shift lever, and this discussion reminded me about the "wavy" washer. I went to McmasterCarr.com and purchased their fancy "wavy washer". Quite a bit more robust, and hi tech. Appears to be working currently..... but Im old, and don't hear well... LOLOL
Couple of comments, Mr Grumpy Pants (with all due respect): The front brake switch is the same exact part that came on probably millions of Japanese motorcycles (saying this so it's clear that they're not just interchangeable but, the identical part). My mid '80s Gold Wing used the same switch (as do three of my Kawasakis). The failure is not unique in any way to the E-H. I literally used to buy them two at a time from the Honda dealer. Washing the motorcycle was the 'problem' and they lasted 6-8 months when I was commuting on that Honda. So, yes, they go bad but, not a problem unique to the E-H. Same for the rear brake switch: As you said, probably same manufacturer as Harley and no more or less prone to failure than millions of other bikes. I point these details out so it's clear to newcomers that these weren't things Excelsior-Henderson would have ever been able to 'fix' because it's the normal, established life of these components.
You are correct on all counts. For what ever reasons I didn't go into that depth. I'm hoping that a new owner will either go to the forum, bookface, or even email me for that information. As these videos were getting long very fast. THANX Buddy!! and that's what this is all about
What's not to love! Thanks for all you do for the Excelsior Henderson community, brother Bruce!
Most appreciated Mike. Your channel is a much better quality than mine. I hope to reach your standard someday.
I have quite a bit of content right now that needs editing. But am going in for back surgery tomorrow morning (been a real challenge videoing) . I'm hoping while I heal up, I'll just sit down and edit, and get them loaded up. Again not all EH stuff, but a major portion.
I am looking to buye an Excelsior, Do u think buying one of the 99s that r still new is worth the 11k ??
No I do not. I realize I don't know the full story on this 99, but there could be a lot of hidden bad things with a "brand new" 99 (tires, updates, major fuel issues since its been sitting with fuel in it for over 20 years, etc.).
Current values within the X community are more "real".
A great shape, low miles (less than 25000) with all the updates done X (99 or 00), is worth at the very highest $7000, unless its something very special (one off color, promotional, mule, prototype).
A high mileage good shape, all updates done.... closer to 6000.
Still in the crate bikes untouched.... have come down IMHO.... used to be around 15000, and now closer to 10000 or less. (last few years have seen them go for less)
Show room floor bikes, with no updates, no miles, would be IMHO around 8000.
Note although I'm involved with the community, and do keep an eye on the values, this is still my opinion. The markets flux all the time.
For example.... 3 weeks ago very close to me a 99 with 1500 miles (yes 1500), just sold privately for less than $4000. This is an exception, but does set an average.
And again this past winter another with close description as above, went for even less.
$11000 for a new X..... too much money.
Thank you very much!! My Uncle bought his 99 brand new and less than 5000 miles on his, I kbow Fer fact he hasn't done any updates that is primarily why he doesn't ride his,He is a collector of the antique Hendersons but doesn't know a while lot about the pricing of the new ones, Thank for the info!! Ps he has a 24 Henderson Deluxe!!
@@Lukas72878 1924 Henderson Deluxe.... what a sweetie that'd be.
I attend the antique motorcycle cannonball every chance I get. Being I live in the midwest, we get to see all the bikes on their day off (36 hours). If your Uncle ever gets the chance to attend, he'd really enjoy this event, seeing these old scoots do what they did back in the day is unworldly, yet very satisfying. . Those Hendersons are pretty zippy at the start of each day.
I love the old stuff.... your uncle is lucky to have a collection. Its all out of my price range now. My only collectible from the old world is a fuel tank from a 1923 Henderson with "Omaha Police" and a badge on it. Most of it is rotted away, but I keep it in a display case.
A 5000 mile 99 with no updates in the X community is worth around $5500. Sometimes, but not often an owner can get lucky on ebay or craigs list, and sell to someone who doesn't know any better. Unfortuantely, general public treats our 99-00 EH's as orphans and will not touch them. And that is sad, not because it keeps the price low, but because they are missing out on a wonderful machine and ride.
This one has been on ebay for a very long time.... I think about a year.
www.ebay.com/itm/125938982986?hash=item1d528c604a:g:A00AAOSwumNfWWIr&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0N2stJIs4zcTVj2qB1uXJAyNY%2FKKeEpQlCFA92P36oRlMpJP8SZAchgVTEFTyUUvvRxQXiPVXLTxekiWWuimCL0%2BPiAnMzS54kwbW2LITKytwMuxCf79ZXhqIozgq%2B1BtAOU0TvnJpm5YllLwsEzpmCjwbERx%2BUpPKuMks6ACGxyWQWxrGeJt9yHQRH85mcPnOD3xF%2FhGbKDIe%2Fj6Re2h7t8DsZAwkigvE3u9CBUix2k3OowrjXVGLD%2Btd1J%2BhLz%2BNWG5UVrbFLC%2FLOkWIldcI4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6jk_8WTYg
here's a good buy, if its all true...
www.ebay.com/itm/125970037019?hash=item1d5466391b:g:o-QAAOSwi3lkgz9q&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwML7n5Q0y7yUr6QUAGJ8hNYoApbKHjGG24qkinUCUUtEYwjgpYlUPhvThM7k48XuePyqpJuvVvJJOdwjN26A11BGmaaFYQSTbwZQjRXp8J8bqP%2FHFsYBVaP3y3SQkLAzFseOCm4Jkfu9GXXA0nVDiI1dSW3cKc852QnR5nwxIx%2Ftv2b2HzlMuaBPJO3mZ%2B9AmH5fMLt6lmoTHRfVehBh3%2BFvhpUaMaKa5nPAy1StapRYe99l9xj0LSuaPD9zobC0XA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR76etNiUYg
I can't understand why anybody would want to own one of these. I'm 64, and have been a motorcycle collector for some time. I remember well the whole story on these bikes and the company. I am not familiar with each and every bike. One came up for sale on the local Craigslist a few months ago for $9000. I went and looked at it. It was in excellent condition with about 4,000 miles on it. No way of telling whether it was "original" or not, as it seems almost every one of these bikes were different in some way. I decided against buying it. I don't see how it has any historical significance. I only looked at it and considered buying it because of the low price. These bikes are at best a curiosity. They are the product of a failed company that broke every rule in the book, and caused a lot of investors, and taxpayers, to lose a lot of money. I don't really consider them much different from the Harley clone "choppers" made by so many different companies during the chopper craze of the early 2000s, or something like the Gilroy Indian, other than you can still get parts for those bikes. I don't see these bikes as ever being worth anything, either financially or historically. Nor are they good just for riding, as there are no replacement parts available when something breaks or wears out. I passed on that one.
Gerald.... thanx for your comments. Gives me opportunity about the X community common disease.
All of this is IMO.... I'm guessing your and my comments here may stir up some more comments from other owners, and possible skeptics.
Your comments are not unheard of. There is a group of folks out there that feel our X's are "Edsels" or "orphans" sort of speak.
As a "collector", I don't know if you ride any of your bikes, or if they are static. If static, I can't give you any real reason to buy, other than it is of retro timeless design, pleasing to the eye.
As I'm far from a smart financial guy, I won't comment on the failure of the company, there is much more to the story, than your simple comment. I will comment, that I do know Dan Hanlon (CEO) personally, he's a good sort!!
Many of us, including myself in the past, own more than one.
There are a few that believe that someday the value will climb as a collectible. But truthfully that's not the norm for us.
Current market values.... for example the one you were shopping for..... at $9000 with 4000 miles is a bit high. You don't state whether the updates have been done.... (DIY around $2000, Vendor prices upwards of $3000, and depending what you want done.... $10000).
Current market values, you can find a dandy X with all updates done, low miles in the $7000 range. Not always, but this would be a median. Crate bikes currently are running around $10000 or a bit lower, getting to be pretty rare to find one. And if you want to ride it, why would anyone buy a crate bike??
Why we love these bikes?:
We can't go anywhere without conversations started, explaining what it is.
I'd rate the ride right up there with the current best. All of the owners talk about the ride, and yeah, many owners own many motorcycles of all brands.
With the small number of production, and as early as production started..... these bikes are to a sense prototypes. When I owned 3, they each had distinct differences. I've worked on several now, and they all have their personal features.
Our community, has come up with all the fixes. That make these bikes as reliable as anything else out there. I now have 55000 miles on mine with no big issues, but in the beginning it was an adventure every ride. "you need to drag a magnet behind that thing". I've only started to trailer, now due to age (70) and health, but in the past I've rode to most if not all trips. 6 Sturgis, 5 motorcycle cannonballs, 4 rallys, and several club events.
As for parts. ..... Tons of parts. And when parts are gone, someone makes them or the CEO of the company has another batch made from his personal "rolex". Its not uncommon for owners to come up with xcross over parts. 25 years after the first one left the factory, a huge portion are still being ridden as daily drivers. If we couldn't get parts, it would be completely different.
I'd suspect "2coolwheels" to comment here, as he collects Victory's, where it appears parts are harder to find.
As for the "clone" choppers.... I digress.... I like heavy cruisers, chopper doesn't fit my definition. EH, can easily be considered a clone, as all the brands were trying to get their share of the HD market, when you got what you got from the HD dealership.
Our X's ride, performance, finish, prices were all better than HD of that time. Maybe even still to a degree to this day.... my opinion.
My point? ... I'd like to persuade you to take another look at our beasts. Not to make a sale, but to give us a fair judgement.
We have a very uncanny strong community. Our median age, I'd guess is around 55+. Not a lot of youngsters. But a lot of experienced long time riders/builders/mechanics/machinist.
Take a look at our website if you get time. It will explain a lot.: xhmotorcycles.com
We have a strong facebook page.
And our club has I'd guess around 100 active members..... with at least 4 events every year.
Historical plus update. The Super X has some design from the old Agness Scwhinn days tastefully done. But anything else historically, other than both USA built..... name only.
With in the past few years Trademark rights have been sold to an India company. Rumor was that they wanted to build a bigger bike, and put it on the shores of USA.... something in the 750 size.
Much respect Gerald, and most appreciate of your comments...
Bruce Whitefoot aka Grandpa Grumpy Pants
I haven’t watched all 4, but does the 2000 bronze bushing retrofit onto the 1999 shifter to dampen the shaking shift lever?
Thanks for your efforts, they are important and mean a lot. Years ago, we had BMWs, and knowledgeable owners in a local club were why, and how, I was able to keep 5 bikes over 20 years times, running, since there were no local dealers then.👏🏻
Yes the Bronze bushing was an update. But to be frank it really didn't solve all issues at that bracket. The 2000 brackets were known to tear at the spot welds around that bronze bushing. In fact we just replaced the one on Blue for that very issue.
On 525, I got the updated bronze replacement, and it rattles substantially as you can see in the video. The old fix, which I never did, is to buy a "wavy" washer from fastenel. Place it on the shaft between the bracket and the foot shifters. This would put a touch of a load on those pieces and prevent rattling.
thanx for commenting Bruce
whoops.... also that bronze bushing came with the bracket as an update from the factory. The old plastic bushing hole was much smaller.
The Mike Seastrom should be able to fix you up at EHparts.net
As I have been fixing my shift lever, and this discussion reminded me about the "wavy" washer. I went to McmasterCarr.com and purchased their fancy "wavy washer". Quite a bit more robust, and hi tech. Appears to be working currently..... but Im old, and don't hear well... LOLOL
Couple of comments, Mr Grumpy Pants (with all due respect):
The front brake switch is the same exact part that came on probably millions of Japanese motorcycles (saying this so it's clear that they're not just interchangeable but, the identical part). My mid '80s Gold Wing used the same switch (as do three of my Kawasakis). The failure is not unique in any way to the E-H. I literally used to buy them two at a time from the Honda dealer. Washing the motorcycle was the 'problem' and they lasted 6-8 months when I was commuting on that Honda. So, yes, they go bad but, not a problem unique to the E-H.
Same for the rear brake switch: As you said, probably same manufacturer as Harley and no more or less prone to failure than millions of other bikes. I point these details out so it's clear to newcomers that these weren't things Excelsior-Henderson would have ever been able to 'fix' because it's the normal, established life of these components.
You are correct on all counts. For what ever reasons I didn't go into that depth. I'm hoping that a new owner will either go to the forum, bookface, or even email me for that information. As these videos were getting long very fast. THANX Buddy!!
and that's what this is all about