I think that there is definitely an audience for your music style other than producers. I think that if mainstream success is the goal, formulaic and more simplistic songs receive more attention because they are more digestible to the casual listener. Producers are attracted to more complex sound design and such because we understand the challenges and precision necessary to craft such things. But I do think that there are people who like it because it sounds cool too
Ayy appreciate the elaboration on how you feel about this! 100% agree! I for myself won't shift too much into the mainstream probably, but it's still nice to know who will enjoy my music ~
@@ZefParisoto love the idea of your plugin btw. I’m definitely gonna try it out when I’m able to buy. I’ve still gotta get the logistics of it down but I think that distorting kicks and hats and stuff with a sidechain will make my drums hit even harder!
Well the good news is that edm has more listeners that are also producers (compared to pop or even rap). I mean Mr Bill has a pretty large audience and people were blown away by Phonon's Polyriddim and Emme. I think cultivating a more loyal fanbase would be beneficial in this case.
I wouldn't say there's too much going on. But in my opinion there are production styles from several scenes, and idk if fans of those scenes mesh together or want this fusion.
I get worried about this as well. I was showing my friend Cryptochrome by Au5 and by the end he was so lost because there was just so much going on. I think it's hard to make something that appeals to both casual listeners and producers since the way they listen is so different, but slower complex sound design might be a good way to appeal to both
Thank you for your insight! Yeahh I can agree to that! My way to go about this is using a lot of repetition in melodic and rhythmical themes, but switch up the sounds a lot, so it stays predictable but still has a lot of variety ~
there's no problem with that at all imo. some music is very niche but still has a diehard fanbase. I really enjoy it, I am a producer though lol. And say your music then gets popular among producers. It trickles down to the uninitiated listener. Sometimes artists do their own thing for years before people notice whats going on and start following strongly My only belief is that as an artist you should not compromise your artistic vision solely for the sake of accessibility. I think you can be making the weirdest music in the world, but as long as you put in the effort, stay consistent, and always be putting out stuff, there is an audience out there for you
@@ZefParisoto well you know me now 😄 I feel you, hopefully there are some cool like-minded people who live in your area, meet someone who knows someone who knows someone lol
Being a “producer’s producer” isnt a bad thing. I think if you take a look at art across genres you will find that: - popular art is typically not very challenging. It remains accessible by working almost entirely within the established standards of the form. - The true avant garde is deeply challenging and inaccessible. This work is to many “unlistenable” or “unwatchable” because it so thoroughly discards all the familiar elements of the form. This side is necessary as an incubator for innovation but those new ideas are unrefined in this context. - The popular avant garde is very lightly challenging. Usually these artists will take one or two ideas from the true avant garde and adapt them to fit within the forms that people are used to. Think Radiohead’s more wild time signatures, the drum loop on Bon Iver’s Deathbreast, and so on. To target the popular avant garde you really only need one or two flashy or experimental elements. When you stack up too many on top of each other the vision gets muddy. The audience needs to be able to recognize the familiar forms underneath.
I disagree. I think non-producers would actually enjoy that track. There's no definitive format for music, as there are literally millions of genres and sub-genres.
as a producer this song truly is producer porn
same!!!
I think that there is definitely an audience for your music style other than producers. I think that if mainstream success is the goal, formulaic and more simplistic songs receive more attention because they are more digestible to the casual listener. Producers are attracted to more complex sound design and such because we understand the challenges and precision necessary to craft such things. But I do think that there are people who like it because it sounds cool too
Ayy appreciate the elaboration on how you feel about this! 100% agree!
I for myself won't shift too much into the mainstream probably, but it's still nice to know who will enjoy my music ~
@@ZefParisoto love the idea of your plugin btw. I’m definitely gonna try it out when I’m able to buy. I’ve still gotta get the logistics of it down but I think that distorting kicks and hats and stuff with a sidechain will make my drums hit even harder!
I just stumbled upon this and this sounds Amazing.
Thank you so much 💙
Well the good news is that edm has more listeners that are also producers (compared to pop or even rap). I mean Mr Bill has a pretty large audience and people were blown away by Phonon's Polyriddim and Emme. I think cultivating a more loyal fanbase would be beneficial in this case.
I wouldn't say there's too much going on. But in my opinion there are production styles from several scenes, and idk if fans of those scenes mesh together or want this fusion.
Ohh yeah that's fair ~
I get worried about this as well. I was showing my friend Cryptochrome by Au5 and by the end he was so lost because there was just so much going on. I think it's hard to make something that appeals to both casual listeners and producers since the way they listen is so different, but slower complex sound design might be a good way to appeal to both
Thank you for your insight! Yeahh I can agree to that! My way to go about this is using a lot of repetition in melodic and rhythmical themes, but switch up the sounds a lot, so it stays predictable but still has a lot of variety ~
For sure producer here
there's no problem with that at all imo. some music is very niche but still has a diehard fanbase. I really enjoy it, I am a producer though lol. And say your music then gets popular among producers. It trickles down to the uninitiated listener. Sometimes artists do their own thing for years before people notice whats going on and start following strongly
My only belief is that as an artist you should not compromise your artistic vision solely for the sake of accessibility. I think you can be making the weirdest music in the world, but as long as you put in the effort, stay consistent, and always be putting out stuff, there is an audience out there for you
100% agree!
It's still nice to know who your fanbase is, especially if you want to dive in more into performing local gigs like me at some point :)
@@ZefParisoto well you know me now 😄
I feel you, hopefully there are some cool like-minded people who live in your area, meet someone who knows someone who knows someone lol
@@benny_dryl aww appreciate it 💙💙
Being a “producer’s producer” isnt a bad thing. I think if you take a look at art across genres you will find that:
- popular art is typically not very challenging. It remains accessible by working almost entirely within the established standards of the form.
- The true avant garde is deeply challenging and inaccessible. This work is to many “unlistenable” or “unwatchable” because it so thoroughly discards all the familiar elements of the form. This side is necessary as an incubator for innovation but those new ideas are unrefined in this context.
- The popular avant garde is very lightly challenging. Usually these artists will take one or two ideas from the true avant garde and adapt them to fit within the forms that people are used to. Think Radiohead’s more wild time signatures, the drum loop on Bon Iver’s Deathbreast, and so on.
To target the popular avant garde you really only need one or two flashy or experimental elements. When you stack up too many on top of each other the vision gets muddy. The audience needs to be able to recognize the familiar forms underneath.
Had the same crisis. Toned down the music. Made it way more minimalistic.
Still textured. But not too much happening (if that makes sense)
It does!! I'll stick to whatever I want to make though and then see if it still appeals to non-producers hahah
I am a producer 😂😭
I disagree. I think non-producers would actually enjoy that track. There's no definitive format for music, as there are literally millions of genres and sub-genres.