Lake Superior's Rebel Ports

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  • Howdy fellow adventurers. Wavey and I spent a few days exploring the base of the Keweenaw Peninsula, seeing if we could get the Shanty Boat into the smaller rivers along the way. Please join us.
    Wavey's Treat Link
    www.paypal.com/paypalme/Brent...
    Want to connect?
    bnetz95959@yahoo.com
    If you found us without coming through our main channel, please join us over there.
    • Ep:40 The Great Loop o...
    Thanks for Watching
    --Brenton and Wavey

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  • @maggieward1892
    @maggieward1892 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Listening to Brenton and watching vid is an awesome way to feel out of the crazy world and get nice n chilled out to fall asleep not that it’s at all boring. Just so nice.

  • @user-tj9kt5cs6d
    @user-tj9kt5cs6d หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I’m happy just watching you and Wavey adventures no matter the order or where you’re at it’s all about the relaxation and simplicity of the life you live so I’m happy do that vodoo that you do and keep it coming. God bless my friend.

  • @2whoppermike104
    @2whoppermike104 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Loved the sunset….great video

  • @gkidsdlitepapa2764
    @gkidsdlitepapa2764 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Any footage from anywhere you and Wavy are or have been just makes me want to get my boat going and have my own adventures! Sitting on that beach late in the day when the sun is setting is a dream! I dont want to trailer mine i want to travel the waterways but i am concerned about traveling the Great Lakes on a barrel boat which is what i will have! You inspire me! Keep up the good work!

  • @michaelsullo3698
    @michaelsullo3698 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Good to see your videos wherever you are.

  • @authormikemontie250
    @authormikemontie250 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Glad you made it back to God's country. It's called Lake Superior for a reason.😉 The lake was down a foot from last year a month ago. Good for the survival of my cabin. It's down 7 inches from this time last year. The high water washes out shoreline trees and heavy rain washes trees, branches, etc into the lake that become driftwood. We, western Lake Superior, just had a heavy rain that washed out roads and I'm sure put a lot future driftwood into the lake. Don't know if that extended to the UP. In the 1960's there was open dumping into the lake. We would find wax paper milk cartons, all kinds of wave polished glass fragments, and believe it or not, light bulbs. Except for the fog, late June is the best time on Lake Superior.

  • @BR-bj3ot
    @BR-bj3ot หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I just love your channels. I appreciate that you share your faith too! I’m very much like you in that I’m a man of faith that loves God’s creation and animals! May God bless you and wavy on your adventures.

  • @paules0099
    @paules0099 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Be yourself, Brenton, there's no one else more qualified. I enjoy your journeys. You post and I'll watch.

  • @maggieward1892
    @maggieward1892 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    More more more more more. I wasn’t ready to be done shanty boating on the great loop. This is close enough 😊

  • @TrueBOB
    @TrueBOB หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a wonderful video!!! Living the dream! Beautiful footage!

  • @sailormike
    @sailormike หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Hi, Brenton. I boat on Georgian Bay, Lake Huron, out of Parry Sound and totally get why you hauled the Shanty boat back north to spend the summer. I like the idea of using this channel for the Superior interlude videos and do them close to real time and look forward to seeing your adventures this summer. Thanks for all the effort you put into making these.

  • @BR-bj3ot
    @BR-bj3ot หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yes! This video was beautiful and a great display of God’s glory! Just loved it!!

  • @jimpawlowski1590
    @jimpawlowski1590 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Always enjoy seeing the adventures in Superiorland. I do think it makes sense to keep the real time videos here to maintain the continuity of the loop coverage. Keep them coming!

  • @Willie_MN
    @Willie_MN หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    LOVE your Videos!!! STILL DREAMING of finding a Hull like yours cheap so I can start my next chapter! THANK YOU!!!

  • @Tailwind1
    @Tailwind1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes, more videos like this :)

  • @martymcdaniel-ts1oc
    @martymcdaniel-ts1oc หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    We are all in agreement we just like your videos keep'em coming.

  • @woodsontr
    @woodsontr หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I don’t blame you for going home. It’s hot even in Troy NY.
    I think you have a good thing going with this channel. 😉👍 And you have followers!! 😀

    • @lesliefleming4359
      @lesliefleming4359 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi neighbor. I’m from right above the Waterford flight and sometimes stay at the Troy docks at the start of a trip to New York City or Lake Champlain

  • @myfavoritemartian1
    @myfavoritemartian1 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Your thoughts about your channels works for me!

  • @charleskirby482
    @charleskirby482 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I vote yes, follow your latest plan. I like the laid back adventure theme you present. Frankly, the action and exploring you exhibit, along with your thought out comments from time to time are refreshing and entertaining for me. I live in Orlando, so have been to practically all the towns you visited from Pensacola to the east coast, as well as the Okeechobee, yet enjoyed your style as well. It is OK with me that you are following the same styles in the north now, and since I have not been to any of those places, I will enjoy them as well by following you and Gravy.

  • @danhohman
    @danhohman หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh my goodness Brenton, this was wonderful! Yes, more please! This episode was very soothing. The scenery, the music, the pace of your exploring was just perfect! Thank you so much for your hard work to make these videos to share with us! Oh and I was glad you had something on this channel since I’m all caught up on your great loop series.

  • @kirkdesmond
    @kirkdesmond หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Great to see you guys are back home now. Keep this stuff on this channel until you've completed the Shanty Boat Loop Tour.

  • @BruceGordon925
    @BruceGordon925 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    (Just Me) I'm EXCITED to see the Great lakes (Superior) The loop up the east coast is too many people and towns. You're in areas which are unchanged for 1,000's of years. Keep um coming.

    • @lesliefleming4359
      @lesliefleming4359 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yep, but going up the East Coast especially from New York City to the Great Lakes hundreds of year old cities are there to explore. New York City, Kingston, Catskill, Albany, half moon. You could spend six months just on the Hudson. if you want to take a slight detour up the Champlain Canal could visit Fort Ticonderoga, fort Edward, and a few other revolutionary war forts

  • @1mnstrbassplyer
    @1mnstrbassplyer หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Absolutely more videos. I have family in Grand Rapids and love it every time we visit.

  • @Gardneronthewater
    @Gardneronthewater หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Naw leave it here! It’s fun to watch both channels. Love the name too!

  • @prestongilbert4199
    @prestongilbert4199 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love Superior. Sorry I didn't watch this before my previous comment. Apologies for my confusion. Happy to watch this type of content. I spent a wonderful week van camping in Copper Harbor in 1997. Great memories. Will catch you on the Erie Canal whenever you return to finish the "loop".

  • @pauljannarone5309
    @pauljannarone5309 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video! Will be following this new journey!

  • @erikyoutube5692
    @erikyoutube5692 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That old fish net boat by the Ontanogan light house is really cool

  • @justmike1529
    @justmike1529 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for the explanation. You keep posting them we will keep watching them always looking forward to my daily excursion into Shanty land.

  • @go-to-H2O
    @go-to-H2O หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    About the fourteen mile point lighthouse, it was recently purchased and while it’s still in disrepair, the new owners have plans for the property and buildings, while it’s been visited by many, it has long been private property, thx for another nice low key adventure video

  • @garywilliamson5535
    @garywilliamson5535 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Two channels is fine with me. I will watch them all.

  • @peterparker5166
    @peterparker5166 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Minimalist adventurer channel , I’m in 🤘🏻

  • @bradglacey
    @bradglacey หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Think I can find my big boy pants and follow a great loop and superior soirées side by side without wading up my britches lol. Enjoy some of your pontifications as well sir. Full steam ahead captain 👍

  • @rexturbo422
    @rexturbo422 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Beagles and boats! Great way to start the morning 👍

  • @karaDee2363
    @karaDee2363 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Looks like your decision to get off the east coast and get back North was very wise. Since we are experiencing a brutal Heatwave in New England right now.
    As far as your videos, I like the plan that you mentioned, that makes the most sense.
    Looks beautiful where you are right now and I love those temperatures

  • @larrykendzior9734
    @larrykendzior9734 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    More like this one. I thought the last 2 minutes were especially beautiful!😊😊😊

  • @charlesgoranson1963
    @charlesgoranson1963 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Feels good to be back home, God Bless, be safe

  • @maggieward1892
    @maggieward1892 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Light until almost 10 or 11 or midnight?! How cool is that? When lived in jersey was light in summer til like 9:30. Loved it.

  • @harrytonks6774
    @harrytonks6774 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Really liked this! Keep 'em coming.

  • @GregoryMueller-ss2qv
    @GregoryMueller-ss2qv หลายเดือนก่อน

    Keep them coming 😊😊

  • @DonaldScruggs-dh7yq
    @DonaldScruggs-dh7yq หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this video.....I love Lake Superior

    • @brentonsriversidehermitage
      @brentonsriversidehermitage  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Welcome! Me too. Superiorland is my love and partner. More to come...

  • @bubbasinclair6514
    @bubbasinclair6514 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It is perfectly fine to drop in this Lake Superior video. Was wondering where you really were in real time. So this video is much appreciated. Keep up the good work.

  • @donaldstenico5266
    @donaldstenico5266 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well it sounds like there has been a motion made and seconded. And all are in favor what ever you put on either channel we will watch. Thanks for sharing.

  • @user-ub9th6mf9t
    @user-ub9th6mf9t หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a way to live

  • @toddcunningham2410
    @toddcunningham2410 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the idea of not breaking up the Great Loop series. Having the backup channel works great for doing exactly this. Brenton it would be interesting to know how the transition from being on the boat all the time to being back on land and sleeping on something that’s not rocking all the time.

    • @brentonsriversidehermitage
      @brentonsriversidehermitage  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you for that feedback Todd. We still sleep on the barge when docked in front of the house in Ontonagon. I love it ;)

  • @deannawood7522
    @deannawood7522 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That evening sky..just wow! Your area looks beautiful and peaceful.

  • @woodsontr
    @woodsontr หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I went for a ride in the country today. We stopped for lunch and by the time we came back out to head back it had climbed into the 90’s

  • @kennethwikert2841
    @kennethwikert2841 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am watching this video on June 19th at 9:30 pm and I watched episode 41 earlier today but no. I'm not confused.

  • @jamesschieber8470
    @jamesschieber8470 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He’ll yes we want more videos like this. Great video. Such a beautiful beach!!! All to yourself wow

  • @billybert3506
    @billybert3506 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Welcome back Brenton. Great episode.
    I recognize everything in this one. Your edit is a good representation of this stretch.
    🙏 ⚓️ ☀️ 🛥️ 🏖️

  • @222dyan
    @222dyan หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Brenton, ah nice, Superior land again. I like your plan just fine.That makes sense. Continuing with the Loop on the other channel sounds perfect. And in the meantime we get to see what you're up to now.
    So nice and private on the beach there. Beautiful too.😊👍🎶🐾🌊🌎

  • @jrfmichigian
    @jrfmichigian หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great to see you so close to home! Michigander here! I love the U.P. gods country! Finally cought up on all your back videos!!! I stayed in a cabin bye the cut threw when i was a boilermaker

  • @huckpippifinnlongstocking3529
    @huckpippifinnlongstocking3529 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Keep up the great work . I enjoy the videos no matter the time frame ! Peace

  • @Olympia_Outdoors
    @Olympia_Outdoors หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I definitely enjoyed this video too. Cool seeing and learning about this area. I am curious about Shanty boats now too, An wounder how they might do in the Puget Sound close to where I live.

  • @erikyoutube5692
    @erikyoutube5692 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I do really like the nice carpet on your dock..seriously man! Looks good plus dirty feet is not so sweet

  • @stacymcmahon453
    @stacymcmahon453 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man, the foc'sl looks like the deck of an aircraft carrier without that scooter taking up half of it 😂 Love that you're back on the Great Lakes for summer. I always wanted to explore up that way but unfortunately the only time I got there as an adult was for my uncle 's funeral in Gladstone, MI. The harbor there gets gorgeous sunsets.

  • @erikyoutube5692
    @erikyoutube5692 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “Jerrymandered”. Lol..we gonna have some good times man

  • @KurtG-nn2cz
    @KurtG-nn2cz หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Definitely would like to see more videos like this. This video gave off some amazing UP vibes and a great feeling of freedom. Have you ever heard wolves howling during your camping out ?

    • @brentonsriversidehermitage
      @brentonsriversidehermitage  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Occasionally we do hear wolves. They're up in that area. We saw loons and deer too

  • @brianquinn3451
    @brianquinn3451 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Keep them coming along with the weather reports it is neat to know the difference in weather from one part of the country to another even if it does possibly cause a touch of jealousy you're at 68 we are closer to 98 in Mississippi some days mid 80s today so not to bad for here. Great video keep on keeping on.

  • @MrOtis1956
    @MrOtis1956 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like the way you plan to do it. My vote is 👍

  • @michaelmanganella6443
    @michaelmanganella6443 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Loved the video! Can’t wait for more ! Keep on keeping on .

  • @paulemmerson5955
    @paulemmerson5955 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glorious 😊

  • @doncollins786
    @doncollins786 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video Brenton! Your Lake Superior is so beautiful. I hope you had some cold beer to go with that campfire!

  • @TheMonkdad
    @TheMonkdad หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the first time viewing your channel. I like it. I’ve lived in Michigan 60 years and have been everywhere. Your experience on that boat is awesome but concerning. I imagine that you have to be willing to change plans very quickly.

    • @brentonsriversidehermitage
      @brentonsriversidehermitage  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @TheMonkdad we just went from Ontonagon to the Houghton canal today. Stayed in a wind shadow. South wind. It can take more than you'd think. Thanks for finding us.

  • @johnforester6694
    @johnforester6694 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the videos! Keep them coming!!

  • @davidKatzenmaier
    @davidKatzenmaier หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved this video. More!

  • @jackbuchanan5983
    @jackbuchanan5983 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I want to be up there it is terribly hot on Kentucky Lake in Tennessee I was born in the wrong place and I like cold weather oh well I hope you enjoy have a good day keep doing the superior videos

  • @tomirwin4819
    @tomirwin4819 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nice👍

  • @cpwatching5647
    @cpwatching5647 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Back up north! I watch where ever you are and you should not worry about viewers to much. Can't make everybody happy so you know the deal.... We boat in the Apostle Islands. I'd like to see Wavy and you someday. I believe I found your channel initially when you were out by Schooner bay in a small CDory maybe??? Next thing you know we are doing the loop with you. Awesome. We do enjoy your travels. Take care and enjoy.

  • @charlieward9990
    @charlieward9990 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the heads up looking forward to them all

  • @GJCAMPING
    @GJCAMPING หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video I like it I would definitely watch more like this 👍✌️

  • @user-ex5pc7qe9b
    @user-ex5pc7qe9b หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really happy to see you continue your journeys

  • @DanCharles-jv2oh
    @DanCharles-jv2oh หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glad to see you back on the water and more videos of your adventures!!

  • @outdoors-with-Den
    @outdoors-with-Den หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glad to see you back in the north, such a nice little piece of paradise right there!

  • @GRID-DWN
    @GRID-DWN หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonderful video Brenton and Wavey!

  • @doingitwithnothing
    @doingitwithnothing หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice ❤❤❤

  • @user-tj2kf1ed6g
    @user-tj2kf1ed6g หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes Yes Yes !!

  • @curtshelp6170
    @curtshelp6170 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. Keep up the good work.

  • @rustbeltpipes
    @rustbeltpipes หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stumbled on your channel just now and am so glad I did. Greetings from southern MI.

  • @theconsultant8732
    @theconsultant8732 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Welcome home to Michigan brother!

  • @jasonalvey3194
    @jasonalvey3194 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sometimes it's just good to be home.

  • @Yooperal3
    @Yooperal3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video bud thanks for sharing...hope to be up there in a week or so! Looks beautiful at 10 mile! Heard Lakeshore Dr is washed out in 2 places this week due to flooding! Safe sailing bud!

  • @clairea-t7045
    @clairea-t7045 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You're fine. I was wondering what you were doing now. The shanty boat is dated March. You go man.

  • @drillsergeant5338
    @drillsergeant5338 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn, I am ready to move to that place. Keep the videos coming.

  • @kenlodge3399
    @kenlodge3399 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like, Hermitage, Hermitage sounds nice. Admit have heard it applied more frequently of late, so suppose there's a bit of a sea change going on. As for order of videos I fall on the side of having, Order in Things, so assume I'm more methodical only because it is a challenge, or more of a challenge. Would tend to accept that it being a, Shanty, it promotes the notion of a lais a fare lifestyle, but as with stepping up with the name change and all, adding a little or subtle professionalism seems could only add to one's efficiency - my preference only. Enjoy what you're doing - thanks for bringing me along.

    • @brentonsriversidehermitage
      @brentonsriversidehermitage  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for your input Ken. Hermitage fits me since I can't seem to fit into society very well

  • @jedflintstone1775
    @jedflintstone1775 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nothing like being in your own stomping grounds. Enjoy the trip.

  • @UrjunkMygold
    @UrjunkMygold หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a great video! Started watching your great loop adventure and became a fan of your channel. Had to watch all your vids starting with the barge construction and others from there. I really appreciate your travel/adventure documentary style. The content, editing, adders, commentary are all fun. Informative and entertaining to watch…. Bravo, great work! It takes time to produce quality videos and you, do that beautifully. 👏👏👏 Keep doing what you and Wavey do! God bless you both. Stay safe out there.

    • @brentonsriversidehermitage
      @brentonsriversidehermitage  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I REALLY appreciate your kind words and positive feedback. It really helps. It does take a lot of time, but who wants more crap to watch on YT?

  • @gregw107
    @gregw107 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes! More of these!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @DudeUSA
    @DudeUSA หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Since you asked for suggestions…why not stay with your backwaters theme and call your channel -Brenton’s Backwater Bonus Adventures. You could even add Wavy into the title. Thanks for the fun. I’m living the adventure vicariously through your videos until Ican launch myself. 😎

  • @GregoryMueller-ss2qv
    @GregoryMueller-ss2qv หลายเดือนก่อน

    I figured you were already home 🏡 😊😊

  • @JoshuaShultz-cd9cq
    @JoshuaShultz-cd9cq หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    👍

  • @nikburton9264
    @nikburton9264 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes

  • @erikyoutube5692
    @erikyoutube5692 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Definitely like the name..

  • @wallsle
    @wallsle หลายเดือนก่อน

    You and Wavy have some good conversations. She's very vocal just like my little 7 month old beagle girl. Another wonderfull vid Brent.

  • @LisaHouserman
    @LisaHouserman หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Actually I got confused earlier when you mentioned a date as I was under the impression that you edited madly each night of your t rip and uploaded. I'm a newbie so keep that in mind. I do make my own vids of course but I do no editing at all and never have. Anyhow, thanks for keeping us posted!! Glad you made it home safely. It is hideously oppresively hot today and I only WISH it were 65 here!

    • @brentonsriversidehermitage
      @brentonsriversidehermitage  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Where you at Lisa?

    • @LisaHouserman
      @LisaHouserman หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@brentonsriversidehermitage a resort town in Northwestern Pennsylvania called Conneaut Lake. We are about 8 Mi or so from the Ohio border 40 Mi south of Lake Erie and 90 miles north of Pittsburgh

  • @Thomas-bi8sg
    @Thomas-bi8sg หลายเดือนก่อน

    I enjoy the videos no when or where you are doing good job

  • @bubbasinclair6514
    @bubbasinclair6514 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Corrected question - see below. Are there any creatures in or around that area that are dangerous to humans, like bull sharks, pythons or gators are to Floridians? And yes, keep these videos coming. Thanks.

    • @brentonsriversidehermitage
      @brentonsriversidehermitage  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not in lake Superior. As far as I understand, we have no poisonous snakes or other creatures. The lake is cold, and that's claimed some people. There's bears, but they mostly leave people alone.

  • @stevehansen6552
    @stevehansen6552 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Livin the life!

  • @jimkonst
    @jimkonst หลายเดือนก่อน

    Talk about your Time Out of Mind! It is quite a jump to go from central Florida to the U.P. I thought you were only about a week or two behind. I can handle the jumping around, but please keep this here and not on the Great Loop channel. I was about to suggest what to look for in the Golden Isles of Georgia! CONGRATULATIONS on your trip!

  • @MrSheymie
    @MrSheymie หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another very nice video. Good to see you got back home ok too. Am still enjoying your loop videos on your main channel. Where I live in Ireland is about 5 degrees north of you. These days it is really quite bright at 11pm. We are quite far west from Greenwich Meantime location, so that adds to the end of the day also. Birds are starting to sing again at 4:30am and the sun is up by 5:20. I used to take a flight across from Glasgow in Scotland to Belfast in Northern Ireland during the summer months. It is another few degrees north, so on late flights (after midnight) I could see the bright sky from the arctic midnight sun off to the north.

  • @Movingmidgard
    @Movingmidgard หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cptn B Hermitage! Welcome back to the North! We should get the sailboat up there and explore with you while you are up. What's the plan for the week of the 4th? Do they have good fireworks up there? We are in desperate need of a real adventure.

    • @brentonsriversidehermitage
      @brentonsriversidehermitage  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Howdy! We were thinking of going all the way up the Keweenaw over the 4th, at least to the Houghton cut through. Maybe all the way to Copper Harbor. The Apostles are fun on the 4th, but busy.