This is funny :D you should think i just said i was going to take all the candy from all the people in the world. So to make it clear for the once in the back that did not listen. As the title sate, i don't believe in the linux desktop will ever take off or be anything worth while. That don't mean i won't use it or run it like i always have, just that the hole idea of linux becoming a player in the desktop market is not one i follow. I am still and always have been a big spokes person for linux as a server and backend system for a lot of things. So what this video is, is just me talking about some of the reasons why i don't think linux have a change to take over the desktop. And the things i talk about is not just me saying it, i speak for people that have told me a lot of those things again and again over the years, so there have to be something about it. If you don't like it, fine. The best way to make me look like a fool, is to make linux take over the desktop (also ChromeOS and android is not linux they are at best a fork). For all the talk about freedom in linux, it seams that you don't have the freedom to talk about your experience or not blindly follow the masses. People should have the freedom to not use linux or not even like it, but that seam to not be the case. Linux people seam to have a problem with anyone that are critical about linux and ask questions. That sounds a lot like a CULT :O
@G.C.I. FreeBSD don't support the same amount of software and don't have the same amount of support from big software houses as Linux. But yes FreeBSD is amazing as a file/NAS server
FreeBSD for my firewalls (OPNsense) Linux for my servers (normally debian) and for the desktop I am happy with my openSUSE Tumbleweed. I do want to get back into some music production stuff (drivers for audio interfaces tend to work for Linux but you lose a lot of control and they just act as basic sound device) and possibly play some of my games with broken anticheat on windows.
The issue of peripherals is ultimately what got me to ditch GNU/linux. I have drawers full of keyboards(the musical kind), mice, microphones, audio interfaces, webcams, etc . Most of the tools I have require a PC with specific software to be usable and, guess what, none of that software is available for me on GNU/Linux. I know this isn't *technically* the fault of the OS but regardless the result is the same: if I switch to Linux I suddenly have a mountain of useless plastic and wires.
it's more a fault of the Linux world devs, not paying a focus to it, and the mind set that they don't need to do it, other should do it for them :O Most linux dev's are focused on anything else than the desktop for the most part. And most linux users, don't want to help out or donate.
@viarnay 🤦♂️ so you can't buy the instruments that you enjoy using. You have to buy what works for Linux. Cool that would be like buying an Ibanez guitar only to find out it sucks to use with Linux. Well why not by one that works well with Linux. Because it's personal taste and feel in hand.
Just formatted my desktop pc yesterday, putting windows on it instead of Linux. After one year using it, I realize my audio in MS Teams was terrible and couldn't fix it. I can't afford this in my work. You said it great: philosophy is great but the important is to get things done. Awesome video, interesting, deep and sounds so relevant. Thanks!
Someone explained it really well. It is like a thousand papercuts. The heavy reliance on terminal still for certain tasks that a gui should do. Also people don't really know how to use their computer. They have the steps they must do memorized. If anything in that process breaks the user doesn't know what to do or troubleshoot it.
You wouldn't drive a car without training and a license to prove you are capable, So why drive a computer without some sort of training e.g terminal, then whinge about how hard it is. I am sorry, but I have no sympathy for people who expect to "drive" an operating system with out prior learning, e.g Linux Desktop. if people took the time to learn, they might come to find out that the terminal is a lot easier than gui applications in most circumstances.
Using the terminal shouldn't be required on Linux. It should be optional, available for the power user. But if Linux is meant to be a valid alternative to MacOS and Windows, there should be more GUI tools. Not everyone has the time and will to learn it to their tasks, some will prefer to do their tasks directly like they can on macOS or Windows.
You can still drive linux better than most and wat a gui. A gui is not replacing the terminal, its just giving people options, is that not what linux is about? Giving people option's
All fair. That's why I double boot, so I can use Linux when I want to do my stuff like I want. Then I boot to Windows when I need maximum compatibility with my proprietary stuffs.
Especially those people that say "I use arch btw" as if anyone cared, as if it mattered, as if they were superior. And those that will tell people to "just read the f... manual" in forums when they ask for help and ban them for supposed trolling. The people that hate any corporation, Microsoft, Canonical, Red Hat. Those that hate Snaps or systemd. And of course those people stating "distro x/y sucks, use this instead. " ...
Couple of years ago I used Debian buster (desktop not server version) for 11 months. I learnt a lot but in the end I thought "Why put more effort into using my operating system and getting LESS out of it when under Windows everything JUST WORKS". I believe that many people use Linux for ego reasons. They feel special when using Linux. I guess the best solution is having two PCs using a KVM Switch so that you can share keyboard, mouse and monitor and use Windows for everything that includes non sensitive data that can be collected via telemetry (like gaming) and for everything that requires a save PC that has no telemetry (online banking, diary) and that is less likely to catch a virus you press a button on your KVM switch and instantly switch to your Linux PC. You can run both PC at the same time and switch within two seconds or so. Centralised access to your data can be managed via a NAS. Doing so you can have the best of both worlds.
I also gave up on Linux desktop a year ago. A lot of my games don’t work and there is still a lack of support for a lot of hardware that I own. Linux is fantastic for servers but not for personal use in the real world.
How dare you! I run my steam games and LibreOffice and my favorite web browser - all on Linux. Linux is perfect. It's very very very easy to ditch unethical nonsense spyware BS proprietary evil Microsoft Windows for Linux. (Of course I'm joking, just pointing out how the Linux community promotes that everything "just works" on Linux and it's so easy to switch.)
this so much, I love linux and it's been an awesome experience for use on servers, but I rlly hated using it as a desktop, just kept running into issues after issues and countless attempts of solving them. it got pretty tiring for me eventually. ppl can still use linux desktop if they're okay with it but for me, it's just not my type of desktop operating system, I very much prefer windows 11 in my opinion. coming from an experienced developer
it take a bout 15 to 20 years to get to that point :D when you been doing the same over and over again and hoping for something to change, you wake up one day and start to feel really stupid lmao
@@DV-ml4fm nope i must not be. Just going to tell my boss that the IT job i have and do is done better by low IQ people on the internet :D Also the video is not about me not "figure" it out. more pint's why i think Linux will never take over the desktop. So you must not have watched the video, or your narrow mind got all twisted when someone don't agree with you lol. BTW i have compiled more programs and kernels than you can think of, and linux as my main desktop in the late 90's to 2010 when 99% of linux users could not do it. So where is your flex :D You people make me laugh so much, never change the closed mind of the linux cult.
@Kent's Tech World Even I know Linux will never beat micro$oft in the desktop market. That's fine with me because Linux is doing very well in other areas like supercomputers, iot devices, small board computers, android phones, chrome books, watches, etc.
@@DV-ml4fm that logic is like "I am okay with not having a partner cos every one else is having the one i want" :D unless you are running any of those, it don't matter at all. it's just a excuse. And the video was not about any of those, it was about the desktop. So how well Linux do on those areas have nothing to do with the video. A trailer and a truck is the best way to transfer goods, so every time you go shopping you should have one of those and not a car, with that logic ;)
My latest fun things learned in linux: linux knows you have an nvme, but doesn't trim the drive itself. You have to manually trim. there's a MILLION of these little death by a million cuts style problems. Literally EVERYTHING you have to fix. I loaded kde and it was an absolute clusterfuck. options everywhere. most of them making no meaningful difference in experience. it was the ability to incrementally drive yourself crazy just fucking with shit. Again: EVERYTHING IS LIKE THIS. It's insanity in a bottle, no matter what distro you choose.
Loonixtards will say "skill issue" and will guide you on how you should change some config file or go into terminal to spend half and hour at best to fix it while on Windows it works by default.
It`s a OS driven by an insane cult community only parroting that Linux is perfect. So they won`t ever improve anything, because it`s already perfect. Linux just doesn`t work, and they like it that way.
Yep man ur right, after 2 years of stable using Windows I've decided switch back on Linux mint. This is awesome distro but again I've got new problems as before, with steam was not starting, joystick didn't connect and external display stopped working after some time. So I've really tired of eternal Linux desktop glitches. Lack of stability exhausting me as the user. As the result switched back on Windows. I got used to lack of pro apps on Linux but these problems which should be elementary working aspects are more than enough shows how terrible Linux desktop experience is/was/will. 25 years and not working external display ou come on)))).
I have an old laptop and decided to try Lubuntu on it since it's supposed to be one of the best Linux distros for that kind of situation. I couldn't even connect to wifi and I did try a bunch of YT tutorials. Windows just works right out of the box and that's why it will never be dethroned.
I tried linux several times, due to windows 10 and 11 being so different than their predecesors windows 7 and windows xp which I grew with, nostalgia basically. I wanted to try something new on my computer, some programs which I use, windows xp specific programs that work with exclusive extensions that just cannot be converted (zmodeler 2.2.4, photoshop, dxtbmp) just refuse to work on a virtual machine or through wine, there is no alternative for them. I got hyped by some youtube channels to switch to linux, with promises of privacy, gaming due to Valve Proton, everything works out of the box, bla bla bla. I have a little experience with the os, as I used it in school for 2 years, I am not scared of the terminal. What I sensed in forums troubleshooting, even though I don't post, and I don't generalize, is that most linux users seem to be ill, somewhere on the spectrum (nothing wrong, I have nothing against them), the type of guy that you just see in school that is different. When shit hits the fan, and the OS gets criticized, like LTT's challenge, some accepted that something is, indeed, wrong, some stormed in fire, stating that Linux is not Windows, that they should've known some weird command and or the inner workings of the system, this is what happens when someone on the spectrum gets access to the internet, see Graphene OS and Thorium Browser, bad for image and business. Linux is not Windows, I have never seen a more messed up file system, many folders for the same stuff, that some require admin, privileges without a prompt (sudo filemanager...), the opposite of intuitive, if I am not wrong, both Mac OS and Linux are kind of similar, I believe that some things could have been different in Linux if not for the spectrum people (again, it's not their fault, they did not chose to be on the spectrum). For those hardcore linux fans, I have a simple question; When you go to another country that speaks a different language, do you automatically learn that language when crossing the border?
I have barely more than a year with Linux and I'm already divorced. I love all that it provides, but the mentality and the lack of will to come together and figure out solutions to problems they already know that are the real issues is devastating to me. I aim to be a developer one day, and if I had one lifetime project to work on with passion it would be to try to bring Linux to the desktop by simply addressing the issues people have already figured out.
I'm in your same lane, I also tried to get others to use Linux and I've used Linux for about as long as you. Then I started to use Win 10 on my daily driver and noticed that my cores were not getting as hot a on Debian 12 KDE or Mint 22 Cinnamon. My experience is that the fonts on Windows always look more crisp than Linux. Plus my expensive $3,000 Contact Manager works on Windows. In all the years I used Linux there was never a good, robust Contact Manager that wasn't just a phone book address book. My Turbo Tax works on Windows, Quicken works on Windows, etc. I can't believe that after all the years that I've promoted Linux, the truth is Windows works just as well. I could care less about free. The free no-pay world will never ever catch Windows because when you are being paid to produce, you have a real job and want to do a good job so you can keep your job.
I’m a new Linux user who is obsessed with Linux at the moment. I don’t typically read or watch Linux criticism, but this caught my eye. Very compelling! I’ve spent time looking for open source alternatives but never put much thought into the fact that more people and companies might use the Linux desktop if their favorite software was supported. One reason I haven’t tried OpenBSD is because they don’t support Zoom. This must be what a lot of people feel about tons of applications unsupported on Linux (Microsoft Office comes to mind).
I agree fragmentation on linux is really big issue. My games work on linux but there is no guarantee if i play other games one day. In the other hand Windows 11 releases, with better theming and better brand. Linux trying something but seems like other "players" know what to do!
The concept of “product” does not exist with Linux Desktop apps because the Linux community does not understand a product is driven by end users’ NEEDS, not developers’ desires. That’s the fundamental issue with this whole thing this whole 3+ decades.
I tried the switch, but windows just works, ALWAYS. I don't understand the linux fanboys talking about windows breaking, I feel like it's the opposite 😅
Ya, I can even find a distro to get my usb c to displayport external monitor 165hz WQHD working. I gave up for now, was considering to give linux a try. Windows 11 works all fine with the monitor. Like Kent said need a strong foundation.... sad but true....
I use zorin, I spend most of my time using the browser, playing indie or classic games and doing some projects that don't require any Windows program, almost everything I do comes down to downloading the .deb or from the zorin store and using and I'm much more satisfied than on Windows because it seems more comfortable and with less Microsoft things buzzing, it seems closer to using a cell phone, I don't know how to explain it it seems more stable, lighter, beautiful and faster than windows in my case (one detail is that I got my first PC at the beginning of 2023 so I don't have any strong habit with Windows, my whole life I've used Android cell phones and anything that Running PC programs is interesting to me lol) The only thing I miss is Adobe Photoshop but I don't need it on a daily basis
Kent, I have now been a linux desktop user for over 3 years for personal use. I tend to agree with you in most respects in this rant. I find that for my use case, my Linux Mint 21.0 Cinnamon install is great. That said, it is for my use case only. I am not a gamer, don't care to use or pay for the latest and greatest gadgets and peripherals, tend to run older hardware that I want to make last forever rather than buy new every couple years. (my PC is 5 years old, with 8 GB of ram, my laptop is from 2012 with 4 GB ram and both run Mint just fine for me). Basic desktop needs like word processing, spreadsheets, internet, listen to some music, watch an occasional movie etc, simple stuff,, and for my needs Mint and the associated apps are "good enough". But that's the point, the kernel in Linux is great, the DE's are nice to look at and love the ability to customize it, more than I can in widows. LibreOffice, which I have financially supported is good enough 99% of the time. But as I just said, good enough for "my use case". But LibreOffice is NOT as powerful as MS Office suite, not even close, but for basic use cases like mine, perfectly fine "alternative". Your criticism are well made. I agree, that peripheral support, many apps, etc are just not as good as their Proprietary counterparts, and may never get there due to the community issues you stated so well. That said, I am fine with how Mint, LibreOffice, VLC, Strawberry Music player, Cheese etc work for me, ie they are good enough. I try to financially support these groups when possible, but love the fact they are effectively free and yes Open Source. But i would never say Linux is as good in the desktop space as Windows, Mac and for the most part even Chrome OS in terms of the full suite of products, services and support. I will continue to use Linux, but make no mistake, it is simply due to being good enough for my use case..
Plus all that its nice to use operating system which doesn't interrupt you repeatedly. "Edge isn't you default browser ? | You haven't registered to MS Onedrive ? | How about Cortana ? | You should upgrade to Windows xx" and after any major update all that again ...
@@yt-watcher-finn I love these complaints as if they are equivalent to things just out right not working on linux on use case...oh no a pop up appeared for a second on screen that doesn't actually impact anything, that is just as bad as not having hardware or software work as you need or have to fix or always modify to get some functionality. Like imagine doing the basic task of sharing your screen in discord and having to jump threw hoops for audio to work in linux for such basic features...
@@bigbay1159 I'll say the update crap is annoying. He's making right points. I'm still on windows 10. I hate the search thing searching for things on the internet, why is the file explorer slow and shove that OneDrive crap you know where, Microsoft. The only reason I am on windows for now is just because of using certain apps and having it "just work", but I'm not going to 11, ever. Windows isn't an angel either. Complain about it to make it better.
I tried Linux (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Kububtu, Manjaro) out of curiosity and used it as a main OS for around a year. Graphics driver for my AMD GPU was worse than on Windows, even if games run they had worse frame rates and had issues with sound sometimes, there was no way of changing Razer/Logitech mouse settings like DPI, lightning etc. My scanner didn't work at all in any distro, only 1 proprietary program made it to work. Printer didn't always work as intended. Moving windows around was slightly stuttery compared to Windows 10. So after around a year fçking with that i moved back to my official Windows 10 Home and everything i want working on it, my install is 3+ year old. Most problems that Loonix people mention about Windows are made up. Only usecase for Linux on a desktop imo is very specific and limited lile you want to install OS for some boomer who you think may install malware on Windows by accident so you can install Ubuntu for him just for web browsing, even in that scenario there's a way to setup Windows with restrictions to software installation
The problem with probably most of linux desktop fanboys… is that no argument is going into their heads… They just scream lalalala, and ignore any points which you try to make, why linux maybe not for most of people still. Most fanboys just look at nice shiny things that work on linux, and ignore the rest, which are not working correctly. They don't accept, that such issues can be dealbreakers for some, to not even try linux. you want gaming, and your game require kernel anti-cheat which don't work on linux, just dual boot, or use VM… so what that you neeed dual gpu for VM, and must configure it correctly, so anti-cheat doesnt' trigger. So what, that software you use require specific knowladge to configure it on linux to run with fully functionality.
Exactly, the thing i really despise about most linux videos on youtube is that they constantly attack Microsoft and sometimes Mac OS, if they just concentrated on promoting Linux without trashing the competition they wouldn't come across as a cult!!
I enjoy Linux desktop just because I enjoy learning how stuff works and being able to change and modify and fix anything that goes wrong. I know not everyone is like that, but I am
@@BitTheByte Okay and? This literally is what op is saying, tinkering doesnt matter if certain things in fact dont work... and if you just need things to work for certain use cases it doesnt matter if you like tinkering eventually you wil in fact hit a wall of diminishing returns
@@bigbay1159 am I not allowed to state how I feel in an open forum like these comment sections? You are allowed to state how you feel, so why can’t I? That’s literally it. I just wanted to state why I like it. Calm down, take the stick out of your butt, and drink some water.
Have you ever considered getting a Chromebook? That uses the Linux kernel, but it doesn’t have the same problems with desktop Linux as Linux distributions like Debian and Fedora. So would you consider using a Chromebook? Have you considered using a Mac?
When it's easier to debloat windows and get everything to run well without issue, says a lot about how messy Linux is. It can be really lovely at times, but just getting to mod my games was annoying as hell. I do a lot of complex modding and etc, but I just find it so annoying to get it to work on Linux. It really stresses me out if I am being honest. I feel quite bad, I can't commit, but it's just too much to get it working. We need something more powerful then wine, I think this will happen eventually but until then I don't know if I can use it. Other issues is I got no drivers for my lovely steelseries peripherals, my music app I used for ten years doesn't work and my gpu is wonky on it.
Absolutely. I first tried ‘Desktop Linux’ in the late 90s because the platform I used was dying, hated inferior Windows, and loved the concept of open source. ‘It’s rough in some ways with all the reliance on the terminal but in a couple of years it’ll be perfect…’ 20+ years on and I could still say the same thing. Now, I still use Desktop Linux on oldish laptops but every time I try to use one for more than an internet box or basic server I get issues. For example, i'm a part-time DJ and like the open source MIxxx software. But getting a mixer's audio interface to work properly? Endless snags. Not one DJ mixer officially supports Linux so you have to pick some old model where it appears people online have managed to get working-still a gamble. Desktop Linux lacked a 'Steve Jobs' who could take the techy, hacker stuff and filter it for a mass market and mass audience. Did Desktop Linux really benefit from thousands of distros, dozens of desktops? No. A standardised Desktop Linux, the Mac OS X of Linux, would have been a great thing. Peripheral and software manufacturers would then have had one OS to target.
People don't switch to Linux on their home systems because Linux is so amazing. It's not. They switch to Linux because Windows and Mac suck butt and disrespect their customer base.
Mac is the best OS out there right now. Despite its flaws. Windows is admittedly problematic in many ways but for most people it offers a good enough experience. Especially for creative users and gamers macOS and windows are just way better overall. Corporate users routinely prefer windows because of application software compatibility and strong backwards compatibility. Desktop Linux is a hodge podge mix of randomness and craziness that sucks your time and energy and prevents you from doing the actual work you need to do. Avoid desktop Linux just like you’d avoid server windows and just like you’d rarely ever use Mac server machines
8:00 the only thing that really matters in this regard is market share of the OS. If Linux ever gets to 10% market share, you will see companies happily offer linux versions of their products. Sony's Playstation uses FreeBSD and developers have no issue providing a version for their game that runs on that FreeBSD variant. Valve just used that trick with their SteamDeck an recently Valve reach the milestone of 16,000 games being supported on Linux (though the Proton compatibility layer). I do agree that the FOSS-Ideology is holding linux back as well. The OS should not be opinionated in that way. An OS should make it easy for me to do the stuff I want to do. It should make it easy to find and install FOSS software, and it should make it easy to find, buy, and install proprietary software. But I feel like that's getting better as well right now with Distros like Mint taking a more pragmatic approach to installing Software (system repositories + Flathub).
So basically there is no OS for me: Windows: Sends way to much telemetry and you can't disable everything without breaking features like updates. Linux Desktop: Only half of the sh*t I need works and not even out of the box. MacOs: I don't want to get in the Apple world and pay a kidney for it. Also half of the software doesn't run on MacOs
"Windows: Sends way to much telemetry and you can't disable everything without breaking features like updates." How do you know? Did you measure it, or are you just taking a guess? You can disable telemetry, at least everything that matters. If MS was gathering anything personal or anything identifiable, then Windows OS would be illegal in corporate settings. MS would be in breach of corporate law almost everywhere, but they're not. I run Windows 11. I've disabled everything that can be and that's good enough because I know that lawyers are on the watch for any corporate privacy breaches. There are 300 million Windows 11 installations right now. So far, no corporates are suing to my knowledge.
To be honest, Windows, MacOS and Linux are not bad and they are not without issues as well. They are tools and it always depends on how you use them. I love to work with all of them and sometimes I hate them. I think that's normal and nothing to worry about. I use some of my favourite applications in MacOS, most of the time I am developing on Linux and sometimes I play some games on Windows. Of course, I would prefer one OS having all advantages but that will never happen, I guess.😊
Same as always. Windows as a hosted and Linux in vm's. I just don't think linux have a feature as a mainstream desktop os. At most as a toy to tinker with or to explore
@@KentsTechWorld Strangly, I think I have similar way of using linux desktop. I run it primarily in VM and connect to it remotely via nomachine. I particularly don't like linux very much running directly on laptop's hardware, where usually you want to have battery life as good as possible. BTW, I agree with your points you made in the video. For average user, Linux isn't very good option as desktop OS.
I used Gimp, Photopea, Krita, and Inkscape and trust me all of those are not as user friendly or good as Affinity Photo 2 and Clip Studio Paint Pro. I'm sorry I woukd rather use an OS with those software and pay than use beta software with a toxic ass community. My divorce from Linux starts today at 4 months, I still have my test bench and Debian 12 in WSL but holy fuck man...
Krita is a bloated mess. It is a mix of raster, vector, painting, animation, etc. Inkscape is terrible compared to illustrator or corel draw. And the only thing the Linux community cares about is their desktop environment and package manager, they don't care one iota about actual usable software. Linux on desktop is just a waste of time, it's a useless glorified browser.
@@sardrielsardriel5554 Unless you make your own tempera paint with egg yolk from backyard chickens and use natural pigments with iron ore and lapis lazuli stones from afghanistan, you're not a real artist.
Thank you, this is literally what ive been telling people as well. You can't seriously be telling actual professionals who make a living from their job, whether they are photographers, video editors, music studio producers etc, that Linux ''just works'' or that the Linux alternatives are somehow ''better''. I still use the open source software on my Windows machine, but i also have the option to use extremely good and streamlined software that isn't available on Linux, so why should i switch? Peripherals is also another good point....drawings tablets, headsets, keyboards, capture cards...lots of hardware with still no drivers on Linux which makes transitioning hard for many people.
Sad to see Linux hasn't changed all that much after close to 2 decades. I gave up because I was just tired of playing catch up to where Windows was 3 years ago.
I switched from Windows to Linux and loving it. However, considering to switch to Apple silicon Macbook Air because of powerfull and fanless laptop. I dont like the macos tho.
Years ago I used linux on all of my machines in some capacity or another. I've recently tried to go back. No matter what I use to write the ISO, whatever medium I try to write to, what kind of distro I try to install, nothing works. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the fault lies on my end somewhere. It's just kind of crazy to me that after all the years that linux has been a thing It's so strange that you can't type your problem into google and find a solution.
What OS you use is a personal decision. The only people that videos like his one may influence are the ones who are undecided. I, personally, think that Windows and Mac are just fine for the typical computer user. Linux and the BSDs have always appealed more to the nerds who want an open system more than bells and whistles. I happen to be one of them. I’m using Slackware and FreeBSD on my two desktop systems. They work for me. So, have fun with the OSs of your choice. If you take a look around, there are a lot of heated arguments and name calling in virtually every area. That is reflective of the low level of emotional intelligence in those people than anything else IMO.
i have for the last few years used windows as a everyday driver, then Linux in VM's and on my laptop. Going to do that in the future still. I joke around that windows is for when i need to work and get things done, and linux is for play :D
that's the problem. if you're like me looking to ditch spyware that is windows we have no choice other than become a terminal nerd like you. there is no proper mainstream solution
The main reason I don't use Linux is because Software and Hardware compatibility. I wanna run and use things I want, I'm not using some dumb alternative!
I'm in Chrome 90% of the time. It works exactly the same as on Windows (since they fixed the slow scrolling). I do light photo editing and Pinta works fine for that. I like Zorin Core because it looks great, is not bloated and doesn't nag me. It installed on my old biz PCs without a hack.
Thank you sir, this is one of the most logical arguments against proprietary software, i.e, not the software itself but the corporations which make them. I use arch btw
There’s a reason why Chrome OS was able to pass Mac OS in market share while Linux has been stuck at what, 1% if I’m being generous? It’s because Chrome OS had a whole division in a company whose mission was driving usage. And they did the hard work of building industry partnerships, implementing user feedback, and tailoring their product to real world customer use cases. There’s no single “owner” of the Linux desktop who wakes up everyday with the goal of growing market share.
yes, and it is bizarre that any project that tries to be a little more corporate and use marketing or other things is attacked by the community itself even though it is open source
The #1 reason is Google has the power to SHIP their os on hardware. Nobody much ships Linux on their hardware.. Supposedly Lenovo runs Linux, but they don't ship it, and the support is worse than they advertise.
@@xpusostomos Right, but how did Google get that power? Certainly OEMs were willing to go out on a limb with Chrome OS, yet without their support to begin with, Chrome OS wouldn't have taken off. It's the chicken-and-the-egg problem that plagued iOS and Android alternatives like Windows Phone: OEMs want to know the users are there, but the users won't be there unless the devices are there. There are boutique companies that ship HW with Linux, but I get your point. And for the major OEMs that do, it's typically a limited set of distros geared towards enterprise/professional use cases.
I have a friend who is a professor of computer science, he has a PhD in software engineering and did top secret level "I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you" computer progamming work for the armed forces, too say he's "good with computers" is the understatement of the century. Yet he absolutely hates using linux because it's so non user-friendly. I watched him spend four hours fighting with it to try and get basic functionality running only to get cut off at the knees because he chose the wrong distribution and would have to either code the plugins he needed himself or would have too start from scratch with a different distribution. After he figured out the problem and realized he'd been wasting his time he quietly got up went out in the garage and punched a hole in the wall. He reinstalled windows and never spoke about it again.
oh i have seen the same from all kind of people lol. They need to get their things together and work as a unit and not all the infighting, then maybe they would get real work done and for real take over the world. There is a reason a army is not one man :D and work best if people work together
@KentsTechWorld He came away from the experience with nothing but negative feelings about linux, for him, it was the obtuse design and awful community that really soured the experience. When he tried reaching out for a little help, he was met with a chorus of "well, you're just dumb" and when he informed them that he was a computer science professor with 20+ years of experience he was told to "return" his PhD and resign his position at the university because he "didn't deserve them" for not undemanding an OS that he'd had no reason to use beforehand.
I don't like to say this, but I agree with him on many things. There are such ridiculous controversies in the Linux community. Desktop environments, like GNOME, systemd ... Some don't like this or that, fork it ... Et voilá ... More fragmentation for the sake of idealism, hurray!
The Linux Desktop is true anarchy, accept it. Like any anarchy it will never conquer the world, but everybody can find some space for their own hobbies and neurosis. Like any anarchy we attract a lot of neurotics :) After I bought a Windows Vista laptop, I have been using Ubuntu since 15 years. After retirement at 1-1-11 I use Ubuntu as my only desktop. My neurosis is collections, so I have a VM collection of all Windows releases from 1986 till 2023 and all Ubuntu LTS releases (4.10; 5.04; 6.06 LTS till 22.04 LTS).
I'd say the hardcore enthusiast's appeal within Linux comes pretty close to anarchy, however there are some schisms within the community, which is why the Linux community can seem to be arguing about anything these days. Linux in general seems split between a pragmatic desire for application within and integration into the current, proprietary, increasingly vendor-locked late capitalist tech industry and the ideologically pure self-governed anarchy that it's libre software development model poses as ideal, essentially in direct opposition to it. The libre software philosophy effectively breaks traditionally capitalist software development and to the more dedicated fanboys, this is a feature, not a bug. Tolerating non-libre software would essentially mean a compromise on the very point of libre software, however alien the community may become to the outside as consequence.
To change the world you need the power to change the world, and linux just don't. The best thing would be to live in the world that we are in and not in a dream world where everything is the way they want it. Everything has it's place, i would not live in a world where everything was dictated to be open source for the "greater good" we all seen how that have gone down in history when someone thought they know what was the best for everyone :O let people do what they want, use what they want and make the system, and ideas work together and against each other. FOSS is not about that, it's a bout total domination :O
@@KentsTechWorld so then should people not use Linux as a desktop personal machine and only stick to Linux as a server? Because you seem to be heavily against Linux adoption as a desktop os I would say there's nothing wrong with open source and free software as I think it would benefit everyone including the company's think free beta testers to help fix and report bugs etc if steam is able to migrate and incorporate itself with Linux and Linux nerds can enjoy it then so can everyone else and it benefits steam and all 3 desktop os markets now gaming on Linux has truly been made possible and efficient thanks to steam for creating proton and because of that now they rolling in more profits which Adobe could learn from for me I enjoy the full complete customization I have over my system to tailor it to my needs no unnecessary bloat or slow load times or screen freezing due to too many processes running in the background during start up though everyone is entitled to use the os that works best for them. Curious to hear your side of the coin
@@Otakubro6 i don't care what people are doing and i would love linux to be bigger on the desktop. Time have just shown that nothing have really happened. and how the community is lying, and trying to sell linux as a desktop to people it make no sense to just so they don't use windows is, to be honest sick. Also valve (A company way worse than windows) don't care about desktop linux, they care about steam deck linux, and if the steam deck don't sell as the want it to, valve will stop supporting proton. What the numbers say is this. Gaming under linux means nothing, Desktop linux means nothing. The support of gaming under linux have not make linux gain more market share. you can look that up and see you self. And linux only having 3% at best in a 30 + years life span. Is not a good metrics, it's close to no growth at all. It is better than FreeBSD, but they don't really try to be a desktop os, they know what they are good at.
I just went to Windows 11. I was hardcore linux for years. Then a few games I wanted to play kept breaking with Proton and I was sick of having valube hard drive space taken up for shaders and different protons. I just got to the point in life where I want shit to work. I used to love to tinker around and I used to enjoy fixing things. But now I am a geezer, I don't give a shit anymore..so I wenr back to Windows. Done with Linux.
It is good that you are calling out Linux autists on their bullshit and I agree with your points. But in conclusion you are doing the same as them with a opposite extreme opinion. Lets hope a company like Valve will fix some of these issues Linux has. Google in a way took Linux and made it work for a lot of people. So it is possible.
both of those are worse than MS and doing worse things to your privacy than MS and windows do :O So if Linux people have no problem with those two, they should not have a problem with windows. It's that mentality that make me wonder how "smart" the linux users really are, or are they only mad at people/companies that would give them nice things, but if they do they can be as bad as they want :O
But now watching this video.. now i totally i agree with your point of view. I always thought that the reason why Linux is failing , it's because the mind closed people that doesn't want it to grow. I don't have nothing against proprietary software, and why should i?, why everything should be open source? because of a specific philosophy?.. damn.. even i think if kdenlive was a paid program, they would be doing a better job for that editor with even more pasion
i'd love to leave windows for something better... but not worse! i've used Linux in the past and it's fine for my parents that have a basic PC to access facebook and watch the news, but for me, i wouldn't know where to begin with all the stuff that simply wouldn't work on it.
This video and thread are cathartic. I’ve used Linux on and off for 25 years since I got my first computer in 1999. I thought things would get better but they haven’t. I will switch to MacOS on my personal machine soon. Windows has gotten more stable and better. Rarely crashes like it used to in the 90s and early 2000s. I’m done with desktop Linux, it is a dying project
Ha ! That's one of things I was thinking about in my analysis of the reasons linux is not more successful. I came exactly to the same conclusion that linux dev should help proprietary software companies, and implement a healthy opportunity for companies to make money by selling shit. Apparently flathub is working on it, that's great, and it's about time. Sure some limits could be demanded like... I dunno... software on subscription is forbidden, or something along those lines. But the open-source fanatism or purity zeal or morale high ground is stupid AF.
I think open source software is important for the software community as a whole. I’d argue it’s like pro bono work that lawyers have to do. I’d even argue as a software engineer, that a certain amount of open source contribution should be mandatory, just like how it is for lawyers. The entire internet runs on open source software, whether you think that’s stupid or not doesn’t matter. It’s a matter of maintaining freedom of speech by not locking online publishing behind hyper expensive paywalls. Or allowing the poor cheap access to technology. Anyone with a laptop and an internet connection can create a website. Anyone with a laptop can create software and perhaps change the world Having software engineers from all over the globe contributing to keep improving the software that runs our modern world is a humanitarian service. Many open source software is so good there is very few proprietary competitors, and the ones that exist are in the minority. Web servers for example, Apache and NGINX make up over 60% of all web servers. Just because Linux desktop experience has not been perfected for YOUR use case doesn’t mean open source is bust.
I agree about mentality problems indeed, many people are elitists who think they are and just know better at everything than everyone, meaning in an other sence extremism, only few weeks i met one, total douchebag.. hate that.. Also many users out ain't so open minded, (the irony that constradics their ideals), same can be seen about many mac windows users, for each case they are defending.. , but at that point its just what it is overall. So i stay away the most from these kind of people and hope for the best really.
@@andreasvukman Once you adapt to the Gnome workflow is at least just as fast as using a traditional interface. Objectively you only need two features for a functional desktop. The first is to be able to launch an app, so in Gnome it's super key and type a few letters followed by enter, exactly like cinnamon etc. The second feature is app switching. Alt+tab in Gnome, sound familiar? again just the same as any traditional desktop.
@@somegeezer4058 I know all that, but my workflow is very different. I don't want to press the super key and type a few letters to launch an application. I want the applications I use all the time to be always visible in the panel, and the panel to be always visible. No autohiding, which is the default in Gnome. You can't change this in Gnome unless you install an extension. Modern Gnome is no longer a desktop interface, it's a laptop and tablet interface. I have a 32" monitor and plenty of desktop space, so I don't need to "hide" anything. I always have a few folders on my desktop, and when I download things, I download them to the desktop first and then move them to where I want to keep them.
Linux is great if computers is your hobby. If computers have to be part of a hasslefree production environment where you want to spend time on work and not the tools you end up exactly on the opposite of Linux what is a Mac and Mac OS. Sorry folks…😂 There are people who needs a nail to be in a wall. Therefore you don’t need to be a hammer expert and configurater. Yo need a good and trusty hammer.
Linux simply doesnt have “it just works” Regular people are never going to learn terminal or understand the tangled mess of trying to install apps. Windows phone died because MS woke up too late at app store party. Until linux unites behind cross distro standards, its never going to go mainstream popular with regular people. chromeOS is already filling that space.
Finally, a Linux user who is being honest. Sure, people should use Linux if they love Linux, but don't tell Windows users that Linux is wonderful, and that Windows is crap. It doesn't take long to discover the truth. Personally, I don't give a toss about open source. I've been a software developer for 28 years. If everything was free, I'd not have a job. And open-source libraries are the worst to work with in my experience. The quality control is poor on balance. And most of it comes from the Linux world.
@@tarikulislam686 i never said i would not use linux ;) just i don't think it have a future as a desktop replacement. but hey thinking is hard. btw wellcome to spy youtube, spy steam, spy google, spy credit cards
@@KentsTechWorld Linux is about freedom, don't like it change to another distro, but you can't change your windows whether you like it or not. Fast software and then hardware. W8 and see sweetheart in near future there will be no other OS in custom PC unless we change it. It's 2023 baby , Odysee, duckduckgo, crypto or cash. Welcome to freedom.
I dont see an excuse for these huge companies that develop hardware not to support linux , or atleast share the driver sourcecode so that its easyer to port it over
I've been using Linux for over 20 years, just so you know where I'm coming from. Windows has been installed on every new PC since the beginning of time. Microsoft grabbed the market share early on. Of course the hardware and software manufacturers are going to gravitate towards Windows. That's just a smart corporate strategy. None of this is Linux's fault. Linux isn't a company, it's an idea, a philosophy. It is meant for a small niche of users who like freedom, privacy and to tinker, and I'm alright with that. If the people want to sing praise to their Windows, more power to them. The software and hardware in Linux works just fine for me . Even though Linux isn't perfect like Windows (I just threw up a little in my mouth), there are improvements happening to Linux all the time. Maybe it's not fast enough for you Kent and I don't know what your workflow is, but slow and steady wins the race. Red Hat, Ubuntu and Suse have a much larger Server share than Microsoft, so Linux is doing fine in my opinion. The variety of desktop Linux's to me has been a joy not a burden. So all this time of telling us how great Opensuse and Linux was, were you just lying to us?
linux is nothing of that, as you know linux was made for the reason a guy could not afford a UNIX system, not to say F Y to windows, closed source, freedom and so on, all of that is the GNU camp that then and now are trying to take over linux. There is a reason linus don't like them that much ;) Nope openSUSE is great. Linux is great just not as a desktop, and just like everyone that got all twisted up about the video, you did not listen at all. I did not say that i would never use linux or that i disliked linux more that windows, all i said is that i don't believe it will be a good contender as a desktop and that others do it way better. I still use linux as a desktop and i do enjoy it for a few tasks. And if you look at my video "linux is not 90% if the server market" you will see that linux is like 40% on the webserver market, 17% on the over all server market, where windows are the main dog used on all of those. So no they don't have a bigger market shear. If you look at the white paper Red Hat payed to get made about "subscription" market share, you will see that in that case, more people pay Red Hat then they pay MS for a subscription, that don't translate in to over all market share just that more people are wiling to pay Red Hat over people willing to pay MS, a lot of windows servers use 3rd party subscriptions for services and so on, as they are not that expensive as getting MS to do it. I don't just talk out if my ass ;) i do a lot of research and talk to a lot of people for my videos. And a lot of time that even change my mind as i thought something else than what my research find or people tell me. My mindset for almost every video is "let me see how good linux is at this or that", "how do Linux compere to other systems" I think you get a bit blinded for the fact you don't like what i am saying, and then going in to defense mode and talk out of emotions and forget or bend what i am saying to confirm what you are thinking.
@@KentsTechWorld I'm not going on the defensive. I really do think Linux is better than Windows. Windows is slow, bloated, restrictive and intrusive. I guess we will have to agree to disagree Kent.
I installed Arch Linux LTS on my grandma's Windows 95 PC and she can use it without issues so clearly Linux is ready as a complete replacement for everything in Windows.
@@KentsTechWorld Apparently his Grandma was running Windows 95 on a machine that meets the minimum spec for Arch: (LTS, WTF?) * A x86_64 (i.e. 64 bit) compatible machine. * Minimum 512 MB of RAM (recommended 2 GB). * At least 1 GB of free disk space (recommended 20 GB for basic usage). * An active internet connection. * A USB drive with minimum 2 GB of storage capacity. Makes the P100 with 8MB RAM that I used with Win 95 look kinda sad.
@@bigbay1159 It's a grandma... she probably opens the browser to read the news and write emails to her friends... she can use the first ever version of fkin Debian and be fine.
Much of what you say is based on undeniable truths; most of what you say applies to every project out there. Those problems are there but dont define what Linux and the Open source Community is. Some folkss that are very agressive and loud? Look into a mirror, one of them switched the sides...
But why? There's still potential in the Linux desktop. After five years of running various distros, I've come full circle and returned to what started it all for me, Linux Mint. I'm using the GNOME desktop, but in the end, I'm using a distro that just plain works. I'm retiring my old desktop PC soon. I upgraded my newest laptop to 16 GB RAM after one year and am now giving it everything my old PC had, including all the hard drives.
@@KentsTechWorld Not hardly. For someone who claims to have used Linux for 25 years, you certainly don't get it. You have to use the right tool for the job, not try to make Linux something it's not or vice versa for any OS platform. Every platform has it's strengths and weaknesses, it's non-sense videos such as these that add to the toxic garbage. Please don't ball everyone into the opinion of a few. Then again you are a TH-camr after all, it's all about views, right?
Both of them based on UNIX operating system, MacOS was a fork of DarwinOS that also based on BSD It doesn't make any sense Linux take inspiration from MacOS lol You're clearly doesn't know whar you were talking about 😂
@@supercellex4D What? it doesn't make any sense at all, most of Linux interface are either using GTK or QT While MacOS is using cocoa toolkit How is it clones 😂?
You've been a part of the open source community and Linux for 25 years and still don't get it? Incredible. If you want to play games and run business software, use Windows. If you want music production, use MacOS. If you want to make design and run video editing , choose between Windows and MacOS. For fuck sake, Linux is a hobbyist OS, there aren't any huge corporations pouring billions of dollars into it and its software, so what the fuck do you expect?
Linux is a billion dollar industry, and there are many companies that put millions of dollars in to it each. Just because you don't see it, don't mean it's not there The problem is that Linux is being compered to windows and Mac OS, so if it's not a desktop os for the people, but a hubby OS, then stop compering it, and stop all the nonsense about "The year of the linux desktop" or why "Linux is better than windows and macOS". All of that should not matter if linux was just a hubby and should looked at like that. The fact is that most linux user do not see it as that, they see it as a replacement for windows and macOS and actively want that to happen. And that is why the video was made. If you don't get it, then you don't get a lot of linux users or why they use it. You may not think like that or agree with them on those points, and that is really amazing and great, the fact is the way you look at it, is sadly not how a lot of people look at it. and those are the one I am talking to! Or may be you to close to it all to see it, I know I was for about 15 years of my 27 years of linux. I was so blind I was helping building and selling linux PC in the 90's just o get rid of windows. So what the fuck do I expect, well I expect not to be talked to like that, I expect that other linux users would stop going after other people using other OS's, I expect Linux to leave anyone else alone and just do it thing so no anti this or anti that. I expect for linux users to be more open to new ideas they don't agree with, I expect linux users to stop the infighting. I could go on
@Paint It Black Linux desktop allows me to use the computer the way I want it to. This includes the desktop layout, themes, icons, fonts, no ads/bloatware, direct control over telemetry ... It also will not try to force me to use their services like Edge or to create a Microsoft account. When I connect Bluetooth headphones, I can use the high resolution codecs like aptx. In addition, I get to choose when/ if I want to update the installed apps and system, and I get to know what is being updated. There are probably things I could at, but I stop here for now.
@Paint It Black Linux runs much better on older hardware. You can make a minimal installation on older system and you can use it for basic things as second system, media server etc. On windows isn't going to be pleasant experience. If you are working with virtual boxes Linux is also much faster than windows. It is also is much faster on file operations than windows, that is normal because they have newer and better filesystems than the ancient NTFS. So Linux in some cases is a lot faster and efficient than windows, but for me the most important is that they give the choice to built my system in they way i like it. There are cases that Linux is better than windows and cases that windows is better for sure. Kent doesn't understand or better doesn't want to understand, that he is against the toxic community and there are quite few times that he is more toxic than them.
The nail-in-the-coffin for me giving up on Linux is the x-org/Wayland debate. I had a very obscure problem with Wayland, and every time I asked for help, I got shit on. "There's no way that can happen" or "sounds like someone doesn't know what they're doing" are typical responses. I've learned a lot during the four years I've been using Linux, but I'm done.
This analogy is silly. Why am I seeing all these videos criticizing Linux? It feels manufactured. Is MS paying people to do this? Linux is one of the most amazing community driven efforts. It is not produced by a company but by volunteers. And it's a stable useable product.
honestly, i spent years taming windows, and only recently having switched full time (i'd say about 2 years) linux is fine. i don't understand the criticisms. and plus i used the terminal on windows too (powershell as well). most of the programs i use work flawlessly on linux and those that don't, well i just don't use them anymore lol. i'm just sick of windows man.
@@gvcvbbhvbbccxcvn Been using Linux for over ten years now. There are times when its a hassle. But once you get it set up, it's rock solid. There's also more information available for how it's supposed to work.
Mostly I figure you must be a gamer..... or unable to learn. There is no other reason for having this opinion after long experience with Linux. God only know what you expect or want out of an OS? Telepathy interface?
Many of these arguments are overly exaggerated, there are third party drivers for many peripherals, openrazer for example. Even my no-name keyboard does have RGB support. "Footstep highlights" can be done by using equalizer like easyeffects. and list goes on... in my experience most of OEM software for peripherals can be replaced, and replacement can be even better. Yes there is no proper replacement for Adobe apps, but you are blaming users, you should blame corporation who wont release their software. "25 Years" and you didn't learn anything in all these years? linux desktop has potential. its people like you, who keep blaming user for corporation issues. Community actually tried to run software like adobe through tools like WINE. And explain it to me why should a community do that and not a corporation? why do community need to waste their effort on this instead of advancing linux desktop? what if community not interested in this? its the same logic as asking microsoft to develop all applications
oh i learned more than you can think of ;) I blame user that tell others what to do. And if you want companies to support linux. make it worth it for them!! ´ Wine is a mess. And the community want it, or most of it want it. you seam to have drink all the cool-aid. I have talked 100's of linux fans, windows fans, mac fans, past linux users (It pros, users, IT managers, CEO's, dev's and more) etc. so i have a massive base of data that most don't even most linux users don't have that's one of the things you get wroth over 26 years of talking linux with al kind of people!
lol funny. Valve came to linux nobody force them asked them or bribe them. There are bad people in every community. Linux is about freedom, don't like it change to another distro, but you can't change your windows whether you like it or not. Fast software and then hardware. W8 and see sweetheart in near future there will be no other OS in custom PC unless we change it. How to do we change it by using Linux. Good luck with spyware OS.
Valve is a way worse company than Microsoft. Also Microsoft is massively sponsoring open source and Linux, var more than valve. Valve "came" to linux but have not helped linux what so ever grow on the desktop. And if the steam deck and steam box fail, they will do as the have done before with linux, drop it like a hott potatoe. You sadly have no idea what you are talking about
@@KentsTechWorld How Valve worse then Spysoft? "Microsoft is massively sponsoring open source and Linux" keep telling yourself that darling. Why Valve need to help Linux, we need their software and they delivered. They see the future is Linux, next Epicgames and then GOG. W8 and see, we don't need adobe to help linux, we want their software that's it. That is what valve did.
@@tarikulislam686 Valve don't see the future is Linux they're just smart enough not to put all their eggs in one basket, especially now that Microsoft has it's own gaming store.
@@soulprestigio9162 i did not talk about about it, i just talked about my 25 years experience with linux, and one the majority have. You wanting to be a gatekeeper or tell me not to speak as it will make linux look "bad" is one of the massive problems linux have in it's community, and have had for decades. what you should be doing is asking what linux and the community could do to keep people like me there or maybe help with ideas on how to give people a better experience ;) What i am doing is saying what others don't want to cos people like you will attack them or bully them. What i am saying is nothing new, and something i have talked to over 100 people about over the years. why is it that the average linux user have only used it for 3 to 5 years?? well most don't stick around for many reasons, some i talked about here.
I don't want to gatekeep anybody...I supporting people to use whatever they want to use... your videos here shitting linux developers on whatever they do...and telling them to do something absolutely out of their power...no operating system is perfect...if it works for me, I'm happy... if it doesn't for anybody else...they can use whatever works for them...I just don't get why your videos so negative towards everything...like for what? are you gonna help or shill for anything?
@@soulprestigio9162 so saying the truth is being negative lol. i am saying those things as it's things that would help linux, and are the reason people don't use linux. If no one say them, they are not going to be heard. and it's not out of their power. there are so many things they can do and i say it often. You need to learn the different between critical and negative. You just call it negative cos you don't like it. but if you look at the massive amount of people supporting what i say you would not say that. If you want linux to be better you work on the things it don't do well, and you talk about them, if you only talk about the things linux are good at, things will never change.
This is funny :D you should think i just said i was going to take all the candy from all the people in the world. So to make it clear for the once in the back that did not listen. As the title sate, i don't believe in the linux desktop will ever take off or be anything worth while. That don't mean i won't use it or run it like i always have, just that the hole idea of linux becoming a player in the desktop market is not one i follow. I am still and always have been a big spokes person for linux as a server and backend system for a lot of things. So what this video is, is just me talking about some of the reasons why i don't think linux have a change to take over the desktop. And the things i talk about is not just me saying it, i speak for people that have told me a lot of those things again and again over the years, so there have to be something about it. If you don't like it, fine. The best way to make me look like a fool, is to make linux take over the desktop (also ChromeOS and android is not linux they are at best a fork). For all the talk about freedom in linux, it seams that you don't have the freedom to talk about your experience or not blindly follow the masses. People should have the freedom to not use linux or not even like it, but that seam to not be the case. Linux people seam to have a problem with anyone that are critical about linux and ask questions. That sounds a lot like a CULT :O
@G.C.I. FreeBSD don't support the same amount of software and don't have the same amount of support from big software houses as Linux.
But yes FreeBSD is amazing as a file/NAS server
FreeBSD for my firewalls (OPNsense) Linux for my servers (normally debian) and for the desktop I am happy with my openSUSE Tumbleweed. I do want to get back into some music production stuff (drivers for audio interfaces tend to work for Linux but you lose a lot of control and they just act as basic sound device) and possibly play some of my games with broken anticheat on windows.
The issue of peripherals is ultimately what got me to ditch GNU/linux. I have drawers full of keyboards(the musical kind), mice, microphones, audio interfaces, webcams, etc . Most of the tools I have require a PC with specific software to be usable and, guess what, none of that software is available for me on GNU/Linux. I know this isn't *technically* the fault of the OS but regardless the result is the same: if I switch to Linux I suddenly have a mountain of useless plastic and wires.
it's more a fault of the Linux world devs, not paying a focus to it, and the mind set that they don't need to do it, other should do it for them :O
Most linux dev's are focused on anything else than the desktop for the most part.
And most linux users, don't want to help out or donate.
The problem is the instruments you buy doesn't support linux 😕
@@viarnay **The instruments I already have
@@KentsTechWorldThat doesn't matter. Nobody cares whose fault it is except Linux promoters.
@viarnay 🤦♂️ so you can't buy the instruments that you enjoy using. You have to buy what works for Linux.
Cool that would be like buying an Ibanez guitar only to find out it sucks to use with Linux.
Well why not by one that works well with Linux. Because it's personal taste and feel in hand.
Just formatted my desktop pc yesterday, putting windows on it instead of Linux.
After one year using it, I realize my audio in MS Teams was terrible and couldn't fix it. I can't afford this in my work.
You said it great: philosophy is great but the important is to get things done.
Awesome video, interesting, deep and sounds so relevant. Thanks!
Wise decision. An OS is there to serve you not the other way around.
Someone explained it really well. It is like a thousand papercuts. The heavy reliance on terminal still for certain tasks that a gui should do. Also people don't really know how to use their computer. They have the steps they must do memorized. If anything in that process breaks the user doesn't know what to do or troubleshoot it.
You wouldn't drive a car without training and a license to prove you are capable, So why drive a computer without some sort of training e.g terminal, then whinge about how hard it is. I am sorry, but I have no sympathy for people who expect to "drive" an operating system with out prior learning, e.g Linux Desktop. if people took the time to learn, they might come to find out that the terminal is a lot easier than gui applications in most circumstances.
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Using the terminal shouldn't be required on Linux. It should be optional, available for the power user. But if Linux is meant to be a valid alternative to MacOS and Windows, there should be more GUI tools. Not everyone has the time and will to learn it to their tasks, some will prefer to do their tasks directly like they can on macOS or Windows.
@@TheDrunkenAlcoholic you would be surprised or maybe not how many people drive cars without good training. That's why we see so many car accidents.
You can still drive linux better than most and wat a gui. A gui is not replacing the terminal, its just giving people options, is that not what linux is about? Giving people option's
All fair. That's why I double boot, so I can use Linux when I want to do my stuff like I want. Then I boot to Windows when I need maximum compatibility with my proprietary stuffs.
The biggest thing i hate about linux it is the community. They are arrogant, rude, ignorant. Not all of them, but they are a lots.
Especially those people that say "I use arch btw" as if anyone cared, as if it mattered, as if they were superior. And those that will tell people to "just read the f... manual" in forums when they ask for help and ban them for supposed trolling. The people that hate any corporation, Microsoft, Canonical, Red Hat. Those that hate Snaps or systemd. And of course those people stating "distro x/y sucks, use this instead. "
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Just like the dude who posted this video. Rude, arrogant and ignorant.
@@andreasvukman and just like you, ignorant
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I use Arch btw
Couple of years ago I used Debian buster (desktop not server version) for 11 months. I learnt a lot but in the end I thought "Why put more effort into using my operating system and getting LESS out of it when under Windows everything JUST WORKS". I believe that many people use Linux for ego reasons. They feel special when using Linux.
I guess the best solution is having two PCs using a KVM Switch so that you can share keyboard, mouse and monitor and use Windows for everything that includes non sensitive data that can be collected via telemetry (like gaming) and for everything that requires a save PC that has no telemetry (online banking, diary) and that is less likely to catch a virus you press a button on your KVM switch and instantly switch to your Linux PC. You can run both PC at the same time and switch within two seconds or so. Centralised access to your data can be managed via a NAS. Doing so you can have the best of both worlds.
I also gave up on Linux desktop a year ago. A lot of my games don’t work and there is still a lack of support for a lot of hardware that I own. Linux is fantastic for servers but not for personal use in the real world.
How dare you!
I run my steam games and LibreOffice and my favorite web browser - all on Linux. Linux is perfect. It's very very very easy to ditch unethical nonsense spyware BS proprietary evil Microsoft Windows for Linux.
(Of course I'm joking, just pointing out how the Linux community promotes that everything "just works" on Linux and it's so easy to switch.)
@@hellohigoodbye That’s exactly how they will react if they read my post. Lol
would highly recommend getting a steam deck if you can afford it
this so much, I love linux and it's been an awesome experience for use on servers, but I rlly hated using it as a desktop, just kept running into issues after issues and countless attempts of solving them. it got pretty tiring for me eventually. ppl can still use linux desktop if they're okay with it but for me, it's just not my type of desktop operating system, I very much prefer windows 11 in my opinion. coming from an experienced developer
I am an Arch / Mint / Debian / Fedora user. And you are 100% correct.
You went from being a hardcore linux fanboy to "fuck linux" 😂. I hope to see a similar character arc with DT or the linux cast.
it take a bout 15 to 20 years to get to that point :D when you been doing the same over and over again and hoping for something to change, you wake up one day and start to feel really stupid lmao
He used linux for 25 years and still can't figure it out? Must not be computer savvy.
@@DV-ml4fm nope i must not be. Just going to tell my boss that the IT job i have and do is done better by low IQ people on the internet :D
Also the video is not about me not "figure" it out. more pint's why i think Linux will never take over the desktop.
So you must not have watched the video, or your narrow mind got all twisted when someone don't agree with you lol.
BTW i have compiled more programs and kernels than you can think of, and linux as my main desktop in the late 90's to 2010 when 99% of linux users could not do it.
So where is your flex :D
You people make me laugh so much, never change the closed mind of the linux cult.
@Kent's Tech World Even I know Linux will never beat micro$oft in the desktop market. That's fine with me because Linux is doing very well in other areas like supercomputers, iot devices, small board computers, android phones, chrome books, watches, etc.
@@DV-ml4fm that logic is like "I am okay with not having a partner cos every one else is having the one i want" :D
unless you are running any of those, it don't matter at all. it's just a excuse.
And the video was not about any of those, it was about the desktop. So how well Linux do on those areas have nothing to do with the video.
A trailer and a truck is the best way to transfer goods, so every time you go shopping you should have one of those and not a car, with that logic ;)
My latest fun things learned in linux: linux knows you have an nvme, but doesn't trim the drive itself. You have to manually trim. there's a MILLION of these little death by a million cuts style problems. Literally EVERYTHING you have to fix. I loaded kde and it was an absolute clusterfuck. options everywhere. most of them making no meaningful difference in experience. it was the ability to incrementally drive yourself crazy just fucking with shit. Again: EVERYTHING IS LIKE THIS. It's insanity in a bottle, no matter what distro you choose.
Loonixtards will say "skill issue" and will guide you on how you should change some config file or go into terminal to spend half and hour at best to fix it while on Windows it works by default.
It`s a OS driven by an insane cult community only parroting that Linux is perfect. So they won`t ever improve anything, because it`s already perfect.
Linux just doesn`t work, and they like it that way.
Yep man ur right, after 2 years of stable using Windows I've decided switch back on Linux mint. This is awesome distro but again I've got new problems as before, with steam was not starting, joystick didn't connect and external display stopped working after some time. So I've really tired of eternal Linux desktop glitches. Lack of stability exhausting me as the user. As the result switched back on Windows. I got used to lack of pro apps on Linux but these problems which should be elementary working aspects are more than enough shows how terrible Linux desktop experience is/was/will. 25 years and not working external display ou come on)))).
The community is busy developing another Linnux distro
EVERY Linux user needs to watch this and then pass it onto the next one!
I have an old laptop and decided to try Lubuntu on it since it's supposed to be one of the best Linux distros for that kind of situation. I couldn't even connect to wifi and I did try a bunch of YT tutorials. Windows just works right out of the box and that's why it will never be dethroned.
I tried linux several times, due to windows 10 and 11 being so different than their predecesors windows 7 and windows xp which I grew with, nostalgia basically. I wanted to try something new on my computer, some programs which I use, windows xp specific programs that work with exclusive extensions that just cannot be converted (zmodeler 2.2.4, photoshop, dxtbmp) just refuse to work on a virtual machine or through wine, there is no alternative for them. I got hyped by some youtube channels to switch to linux, with promises of privacy, gaming due to Valve Proton, everything works out of the box, bla bla bla. I have a little experience with the os, as I used it in school for 2 years, I am not scared of the terminal. What I sensed in forums troubleshooting, even though I don't post, and I don't generalize, is that most linux users seem to be ill, somewhere on the spectrum (nothing wrong, I have nothing against them), the type of guy that you just see in school that is different. When shit hits the fan, and the OS gets criticized, like LTT's challenge, some accepted that something is, indeed, wrong, some stormed in fire, stating that Linux is not Windows, that they should've known some weird command and or the inner workings of the system, this is what happens when someone on the spectrum gets access to the internet, see Graphene OS and Thorium Browser, bad for image and business. Linux is not Windows, I have never seen a more messed up file system, many folders for the same stuff, that some require admin, privileges without a prompt (sudo filemanager...), the opposite of intuitive, if I am not wrong, both Mac OS and Linux are kind of similar, I believe that some things could have been different in Linux if not for the spectrum people (again, it's not their fault, they did not chose to be on the spectrum). For those hardcore linux fans, I have a simple question; When you go to another country that speaks a different language, do you automatically learn that language when crossing the border?
The product(s) lacks LEADERSHIP.
On the other hand, a commercial product such as windows, android, or apple, HAS TO GO WITH WHAT THE LEADER SAYS
I have barely more than a year with Linux and I'm already divorced. I love all that it provides, but the mentality and the lack of will to come together and figure out solutions to problems they already know that are the real issues is devastating to me. I aim to be a developer one day, and if I had one lifetime project to work on with passion it would be to try to bring Linux to the desktop by simply addressing the issues people have already figured out.
haha. i was doing the plug into windows, change settings, plug out, plug int linux with my corsiar keyboard. fucking annoying.
But you could then tell people you are a linux God 😛
I'm in your same lane, I also tried to get others to use Linux and I've used Linux for about as long as you. Then I started to use Win 10 on my daily driver and noticed that my cores were not getting as hot a on Debian 12 KDE or Mint 22 Cinnamon. My experience is that the fonts on Windows always look more crisp than Linux. Plus my expensive $3,000 Contact Manager works on Windows. In all the years I used Linux there was never a good, robust Contact Manager that wasn't just a phone book address book. My Turbo Tax works on Windows, Quicken works on Windows, etc.
I can't believe that after all the years that I've promoted Linux, the truth is Windows works just as well. I could care less about free. The free no-pay world will never ever catch Windows because when you are being paid to produce, you have a real job and want to do a good job so you can keep your job.
Linux is free. But service may or may not be free. You may opt for paid service from Debian or Cannonical or Slackware or Redhat or Gentoo..
I’m a new Linux user who is obsessed with Linux at the moment. I don’t typically read or watch Linux criticism, but this caught my eye. Very compelling! I’ve spent time looking for open source alternatives but never put much thought into the fact that more people and companies might use the Linux desktop if their favorite software was supported. One reason I haven’t tried OpenBSD is because they don’t support Zoom. This must be what a lot of people feel about tons of applications unsupported on Linux (Microsoft Office comes to mind).
I agree fragmentation on linux is really big issue. My games work on linux but there is no guarantee if i play other games one day. In the other hand Windows 11 releases, with better theming and better brand. Linux trying something but seems like other "players" know what to do!
Well said!! That's all as there is nothing more to add. Thanks for sharing
The concept of “product” does not exist with Linux Desktop apps because the Linux community does not understand a product is driven by end users’ NEEDS, not developers’ desires. That’s the fundamental issue with this whole thing this whole 3+ decades.
I tried the switch, but windows just works, ALWAYS.
I don't understand the linux fanboys talking about windows breaking, I feel like it's the opposite 😅
They don't know what they are doing. And then they go in and tinker with windows things they don't understand and blame windows 🤣
Ya, I can even find a distro to get my usb c to displayport external monitor 165hz WQHD working. I gave up for now, was considering to give linux a try. Windows 11 works all fine with the monitor. Like Kent said need a strong foundation.... sad but true....
Windows always works? Until it doesn't. lol
Works until your PC resets into a bootloop LOL
I use zorin, I spend most of my time using the browser, playing indie or classic games and doing some projects that don't require any Windows program, almost everything I do comes down to downloading the .deb or from the zorin store and using and I'm much more satisfied than on Windows because it seems more comfortable and with less Microsoft things buzzing, it seems closer to using a cell phone, I don't know how to explain it
it seems more stable, lighter, beautiful and faster than windows in my case (one detail is that I got my first PC at the beginning of 2023 so I don't have any strong habit with Windows, my whole life I've used Android cell phones and anything that Running PC programs is interesting to me lol)
The only thing I miss is Adobe Photoshop but I don't need it on a daily basis
Kent, I have now been a linux desktop user for over 3 years for personal use. I tend to agree with you in most respects in this rant.
I find that for my use case, my Linux Mint 21.0 Cinnamon install is great. That said, it is for my use case only. I am not a gamer, don't care to use or pay for the latest and greatest gadgets and peripherals, tend to run older hardware that I want to make last forever rather than buy new every couple years. (my PC is 5 years old, with 8 GB of ram, my laptop is from 2012 with 4 GB ram and both run Mint just fine for me). Basic desktop needs like word processing, spreadsheets, internet, listen to some music, watch an occasional movie etc, simple stuff,, and for my needs Mint and the associated apps are "good enough".
But that's the point, the kernel in Linux is great, the DE's are nice to look at and love the ability to customize it, more than I can in widows. LibreOffice, which I have financially supported is good enough 99% of the time. But as I just said, good enough for "my use case". But LibreOffice is NOT as powerful as MS Office suite, not even close, but for basic use cases like mine, perfectly fine "alternative".
Your criticism are well made. I agree, that peripheral support, many apps, etc are just not as good as their Proprietary counterparts, and may never get there due to the community issues you stated so well.
That said, I am fine with how Mint, LibreOffice, VLC, Strawberry Music player, Cheese etc work for me, ie they are good enough. I try to financially support these groups when possible, but love the fact they are effectively free and yes Open Source. But i would never say Linux is as good in the desktop space as Windows, Mac and for the most part even Chrome OS in terms of the full suite of products, services and support.
I will continue to use Linux, but make no mistake, it is simply due to being good enough for my use case..
that used to be the case for me also, sadly not anymore.
Plus all that its nice to use operating system which doesn't interrupt you repeatedly. "Edge isn't you default browser ? | You haven't registered to MS Onedrive ? | How about Cortana ? | You should upgrade to Windows xx" and after any major update all that again ...
@@yt-watcher-finnSame never seen this have a Windows 11 license in the bios of my laptop
@@yt-watcher-finn I love these complaints as if they are equivalent to things just out right not working on linux on use case...oh no a pop up appeared for a second on screen that doesn't actually impact anything, that is just as bad as not having hardware or software work as you need or have to fix or always modify to get some functionality. Like imagine doing the basic task of sharing your screen in discord and having to jump threw hoops for audio to work in linux for such basic features...
@@bigbay1159 I'll say the update crap is annoying. He's making right points. I'm still on windows 10.
I hate the search thing searching for things on the internet, why is the file explorer slow and shove that OneDrive crap you know where, Microsoft. The only reason I am on windows for now is just because of using certain apps and having it "just work", but I'm not going to 11, ever.
Windows isn't an angel either. Complain about it to make it better.
I tried Linux (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Kububtu, Manjaro) out of curiosity and used it as a main OS for around a year.
Graphics driver for my AMD GPU was worse than on Windows, even if games run they had worse frame rates and had issues with sound sometimes, there was no way of changing Razer/Logitech mouse settings like DPI, lightning etc.
My scanner didn't work at all in any distro, only 1 proprietary program made it to work. Printer didn't always work as intended.
Moving windows around was slightly stuttery compared to Windows 10.
So after around a year fçking with that i moved back to my official Windows 10 Home and everything i want working on it, my install is 3+ year old.
Most problems that Loonix people mention about Windows are made up.
Only usecase for Linux on a desktop imo is very specific and limited lile you want to install OS for some boomer who you think may install malware on Windows by accident so you can install Ubuntu for him just for web browsing, even in that scenario there's a way to setup Windows with restrictions to software installation
BTW - I agree with many of your rants.
The decentralization of Linux is both its good and bad.
The problem with probably most of linux desktop fanboys… is that no argument is going into their heads… They just scream lalalala, and ignore any points which you try to make, why linux maybe not for most of people still.
Most fanboys just look at nice shiny things that work on linux, and ignore the rest, which are not working correctly. They don't accept, that such issues can be dealbreakers for some, to not even try linux.
you want gaming, and your game require kernel anti-cheat which don't work on linux, just dual boot, or use VM…
so what that you neeed dual gpu for VM, and must configure it correctly, so anti-cheat doesnt' trigger.
So what, that software you use require specific knowladge to configure it on linux to run with fully functionality.
Exactly, the thing i really despise about most linux videos on youtube is that they constantly attack Microsoft and sometimes Mac OS, if they just concentrated on promoting Linux without trashing the competition they wouldn't come across as a cult!!
I enjoy Linux desktop just because I enjoy learning how stuff works and being able to change and modify and fix anything that goes wrong. I know not everyone is like that, but I am
@@BitTheByte Okay and? This literally is what op is saying, tinkering doesnt matter if certain things in fact dont work... and if you just need things to work for certain use cases it doesnt matter if you like tinkering eventually you wil in fact hit a wall of diminishing returns
@@bigbay1159 am I not allowed to state how I feel in an open forum like these comment sections? You are allowed to state how you feel, so why can’t I?
That’s literally it. I just wanted to state why I like it. Calm down, take the stick out of your butt, and drink some water.
@@ruddock7 Well, this didn't age well...
Although Windows 11 felt like a degrade already anyway just to satisfy for looks. Still on windows 10.
Well said my friend. I switched back to Windows yesterday
Have you ever considered getting a Chromebook? That uses the Linux kernel, but it doesn’t have the same problems with desktop Linux as Linux distributions like Debian and Fedora. So would you consider using a Chromebook?
Have you considered using a Mac?
When it's easier to debloat windows and get everything to run well without issue, says a lot about how messy Linux is. It can be really lovely at times, but just getting to mod my games was annoying as hell.
I do a lot of complex modding and etc, but I just find it so annoying to get it to work on Linux. It really stresses me out if I am being honest. I feel quite bad, I can't commit, but it's just too much to get it working. We need something more powerful then wine, I think this will happen eventually but until then I don't know if I can use it.
Other issues is I got no drivers for my lovely steelseries peripherals, my music app I used for ten years doesn't work and my gpu is wonky on it.
Absolutely. I first tried ‘Desktop Linux’ in the late 90s because the platform I used was dying, hated inferior Windows, and loved the concept of open source.
‘It’s rough in some ways with all the reliance on the terminal but in a couple of years it’ll be perfect…’ 20+ years on and I could still say the same thing.
Now, I still use Desktop Linux on oldish laptops but every time I try to use one for more than an internet box or basic server I get issues. For example, i'm a part-time DJ and like the open source MIxxx software. But getting a mixer's audio interface to work properly? Endless snags. Not one DJ mixer officially supports Linux so you have to pick some old
model where it appears people online have managed to get working-still a gamble.
Desktop Linux lacked a 'Steve Jobs' who could take the techy, hacker stuff and filter it for a mass market and mass audience. Did Desktop Linux really benefit from thousands of distros, dozens of desktops? No. A standardised Desktop Linux, the Mac OS X of Linux, would have been a great thing. Peripheral and software manufacturers would then have had one OS to target.
People don't switch to Linux on their home systems because Linux is so amazing. It's not. They switch to Linux because Windows and Mac suck butt and disrespect their customer base.
You forgot privacy one of the major reason for many as well
Mac is the perfect blend of linix and Windows
And linux doesn't respect your time
Mac is the best OS out there right now. Despite its flaws. Windows is admittedly problematic in many ways but for most people it offers a good enough experience. Especially for creative users and gamers macOS and windows are just way better overall. Corporate users routinely prefer windows because of application software compatibility and strong backwards compatibility.
Desktop Linux is a hodge podge mix of randomness and craziness that sucks your time and energy and prevents you from doing the actual work you need to do. Avoid desktop Linux just like you’d avoid server windows and just like you’d rarely ever use Mac server machines
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8:00 the only thing that really matters in this regard is market share of the OS. If Linux ever gets to 10% market share, you will see companies happily offer linux versions of their products. Sony's Playstation uses FreeBSD and developers have no issue providing a version for their game that runs on that FreeBSD variant. Valve just used that trick with their SteamDeck an recently Valve reach the milestone of 16,000 games being supported on Linux (though the Proton compatibility layer).
I do agree that the FOSS-Ideology is holding linux back as well. The OS should not be opinionated in that way. An OS should make it easy for me to do the stuff I want to do. It should make it easy to find and install FOSS software, and it should make it easy to find, buy, and install proprietary software. But I feel like that's getting better as well right now with Distros like Mint taking a more pragmatic approach to installing Software (system repositories + Flathub).
So basically there is no OS for me:
Windows: Sends way to much telemetry and you can't disable everything without breaking features like updates.
Linux Desktop: Only half of the sh*t I need works and not even out of the box.
MacOs: I don't want to get in the Apple world and pay a kidney for it. Also half of the software doesn't run on MacOs
"Windows: Sends way to much telemetry and you can't disable everything without breaking features like updates." How do you know? Did you measure it, or are you just taking a guess?
You can disable telemetry, at least everything that matters. If MS was gathering anything personal or anything identifiable, then Windows OS would be illegal in corporate settings. MS would be in breach of corporate law almost everywhere, but they're not. I run Windows 11. I've disabled everything that can be and that's good enough because I know that lawyers are on the watch for any corporate privacy breaches. There are 300 million Windows 11 installations right now. So far, no corporates are suing to my knowledge.
To be honest, Windows, MacOS and Linux are not bad and they are not without issues as well. They are tools and it always depends on how you use them. I love to work with all of them and sometimes I hate them. I think that's normal and nothing to worry about. I use some of my favourite applications in MacOS, most of the time I am developing on Linux and sometimes I play some games on Windows. Of course, I would prefer one OS having all advantages but that will never happen, I guess.😊
do you run all 3 off 1 ssd?
what's your OS of choice: MacOS, Windows?
Same as always. Windows as a hosted and Linux in vm's. I just don't think linux have a feature as a mainstream desktop os. At most as a toy to tinker with or to explore
@@KentsTechWorld Strangly, I think I have similar way of using linux desktop. I run it primarily in VM and connect to it remotely via nomachine. I particularly don't like linux very much running directly on laptop's hardware, where usually you want to have battery life as good as possible. BTW, I agree with your points you made in the video. For average user, Linux isn't very good option as desktop OS.
I used Gimp, Photopea, Krita, and Inkscape and trust me all of those are not as user friendly or good as Affinity Photo 2 and Clip Studio Paint Pro. I'm sorry I woukd rather use an OS with those software and pay than use beta software with a toxic ass community. My divorce from Linux starts today at 4 months, I still have my test bench and Debian 12 in WSL but holy fuck man...
Krita is a bloated mess. It is a mix of raster, vector, painting, animation, etc. Inkscape is terrible compared to illustrator or corel draw. And the only thing the Linux community cares about is their desktop environment and package manager, they don't care one iota about actual usable software. Linux on desktop is just a waste of time, it's a useless glorified browser.
@@sophieedel6324 You guys are totally wrong about Krita but lets be real u are not artists, you will never understand.
@@sardrielsardriel5554 Unless you make your own tempera paint with egg yolk from backyard chickens and use natural pigments with iron ore and lapis lazuli stones from afghanistan, you're not a real artist.
@@sardrielsardriel5554 We have an expert everyone....lol
Thank you, this is literally what ive been telling people as well. You can't seriously be telling actual professionals who make a living from their job, whether they are photographers, video editors, music studio producers etc, that Linux ''just works'' or that the Linux alternatives are somehow ''better''. I still use the open source software on my Windows machine, but i also have the option to use extremely good and streamlined software that isn't available on Linux, so why should i switch?
Peripherals is also another good point....drawings tablets, headsets, keyboards, capture cards...lots of hardware with still no drivers on Linux which makes transitioning hard for many people.
Sad to see Linux hasn't changed all that much after close to 2 decades. I gave up because I was just tired of playing catch up to where Windows was 3 years ago.
I really did the oppsite and I've been windows clean for three years and no regrets at all Open Suse Tumbleweed is freaking good :- 1
It all comes down to preference and personal experience.
Trying out Linux for the past 2 months. So far so good.
I switched from Windows to Linux and loving it. However, considering to switch to Apple silicon Macbook Air because of powerfull and fanless laptop.
I dont like the macos tho.
After all the years using Xfce, with a short stint with Gnome, from now on for me it's KDE😎
Just one year before the year of the Linux desktop...
lol
Yup.
It always is.
Years ago I used linux on all of my machines in some capacity or another.
I've recently tried to go back.
No matter what I use to write the ISO, whatever medium I try to write to, what kind of distro I try to install, nothing works.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the fault lies on my end somewhere.
It's just kind of crazy to me that after all the years that linux has been a thing It's so strange that you can't type your problem into google and find a solution.
What OS you use is a personal decision. The only people that videos like his one may influence are the ones who are undecided. I, personally, think that Windows and Mac are just fine for the typical computer user. Linux and the BSDs have always appealed more to the nerds who want an open system more than bells and whistles. I happen to be one of them. I’m using Slackware and FreeBSD on my two desktop systems. They work for me. So, have fun with the OSs of your choice. If you take a look around, there are a lot of heated arguments and name calling in virtually every area. That is reflective of the low level of emotional intelligence in those people than anything else IMO.
i have for the last few years used windows as a everyday driver, then Linux in VM's and on my laptop. Going to do that in the future still. I joke around that windows is for when i need to work and get things done, and linux is for play :D
that's the problem. if you're like me looking to ditch spyware that is windows we have no choice other than become a terminal nerd like you. there is no proper mainstream solution
The main reason I don't use Linux is because Software and Hardware compatibility. I wanna run and use things I want, I'm not using some dumb alternative!
I'm in Chrome 90% of the time. It works exactly the same as on Windows (since they fixed the slow scrolling). I do light photo editing and Pinta works fine for that. I like Zorin Core because it looks great, is not bloated and doesn't nag me. It installed on my old biz PCs without a hack.
Thank you sir, this is one of the most logical arguments against proprietary software, i.e, not the software itself but the corporations which make them. I use arch btw
Proprietary software is one part of the issue, but the Linux community is the other big part
Nope. The software just do what the humans tell it to. So blame the humans not the software 😉
100% correct. But they will not change their ways. 😉
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There’s a reason why Chrome OS was able to pass Mac OS in market share while Linux has been stuck at what, 1% if I’m being generous? It’s because Chrome OS had a whole division in a company whose mission was driving usage. And they did the hard work of building industry partnerships, implementing user feedback, and tailoring their product to real world customer use cases. There’s no single “owner” of the Linux desktop who wakes up everyday with the goal of growing market share.
Old comment but the answer to this is because the rock bottom cost of a Chromebook
@@BitTheByte Linux is free, and many distros will run on some pretty ancient HW.
yes, and it is bizarre that any project that tries to be a little more corporate and use marketing or other things is attacked by the community itself even though it is open source
The #1 reason is Google has the power to SHIP their os on hardware. Nobody much ships Linux on their hardware.. Supposedly Lenovo runs Linux, but they don't ship it, and the support is worse than they advertise.
@@xpusostomos Right, but how did Google get that power? Certainly OEMs were willing to go out on a limb with Chrome OS, yet without their support to begin with, Chrome OS wouldn't have taken off. It's the chicken-and-the-egg problem that plagued iOS and Android alternatives like Windows Phone: OEMs want to know the users are there, but the users won't be there unless the devices are there.
There are boutique companies that ship HW with Linux, but I get your point. And for the major OEMs that do, it's typically a limited set of distros geared towards enterprise/professional use cases.
I have a friend who is a professor of computer science, he has a PhD in software engineering and did top secret level "I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you" computer progamming work for the armed forces, too say he's "good with computers" is the understatement of the century.
Yet he absolutely hates using linux because it's so non user-friendly.
I watched him spend four hours fighting with it to try and get basic functionality running only to get cut off at the knees because he chose the wrong distribution and would have to either code the plugins he needed himself or would have too start from scratch with a different distribution.
After he figured out the problem and realized he'd been wasting his time he quietly got up went out in the garage and punched a hole in the wall.
He reinstalled windows and never spoke about it again.
oh i have seen the same from all kind of people lol.
They need to get their things together and work as a unit and not all the infighting, then maybe they would get real work done and for real take over the world.
There is a reason a army is not one man :D and work best if people work together
@KentsTechWorld
He came away from the experience with nothing but negative feelings about linux, for him, it was the obtuse design and awful community that really soured the experience.
When he tried reaching out for a little help, he was met with a chorus of "well, you're just dumb" and when he informed them that he was a computer science professor with 20+ years of experience he was told to "return" his PhD and resign his position at the university because he "didn't deserve them" for not undemanding an OS that he'd had no reason to use beforehand.
I love Linux, but I am not a gamer. And I dual boot with Windows to use when I need it. I use Linux mint and Kubuntu omly. And alot of Docker.
Welcome to disappointment valley
BTW - I use Arch
I don't like to say this, but I agree with him on many things. There are such ridiculous controversies in the Linux community. Desktop environments, like GNOME, systemd ... Some don't like this or that, fork it ... Et voilá ... More fragmentation for the sake of idealism, hurray!
The Linux Desktop is true anarchy, accept it. Like any anarchy it will never conquer the world, but everybody can find some space for their own hobbies and neurosis. Like any anarchy we attract a lot of neurotics :)
After I bought a Windows Vista laptop, I have been using Ubuntu since 15 years. After retirement at 1-1-11 I use Ubuntu as my only desktop. My neurosis is collections, so I have a VM collection of all Windows releases from 1986 till 2023 and all Ubuntu LTS releases (4.10; 5.04; 6.06 LTS till 22.04 LTS).
I'd say the hardcore enthusiast's appeal within Linux comes pretty close to anarchy, however there are some schisms within the community, which is why the Linux community can seem to be arguing about anything these days.
Linux in general seems split between a pragmatic desire for application within and integration into the current, proprietary, increasingly vendor-locked late capitalist tech industry and the ideologically pure self-governed anarchy that it's libre software development model poses as ideal, essentially in direct opposition to it.
The libre software philosophy effectively breaks traditionally capitalist software development and to the more dedicated fanboys, this is a feature, not a bug. Tolerating non-libre software would essentially mean a compromise on the very point of libre software, however alien the community may become to the outside as consequence.
To change the world you need the power to change the world, and linux just don't. The best thing would be to live in the world that we are in and not in a dream world where everything is the way they want it. Everything has it's place, i would not live in a world where everything was dictated to be open source for the "greater good" we all seen how that have gone down in history when someone thought they know what was the best for everyone :O let people do what they want, use what they want and make the system, and ideas work together and against each other. FOSS is not about that, it's a bout total domination :O
@@KentsTechWorld so then should people not use Linux as a desktop personal machine and only stick to Linux as a server? Because you seem to be heavily against Linux adoption as a desktop os I would say there's nothing wrong with open source and free software as I think it would benefit everyone including the company's think free beta testers to help fix and report bugs etc if steam is able to migrate and incorporate itself with Linux and Linux nerds can enjoy it then so can everyone else and it benefits steam and all 3 desktop os markets now gaming on Linux has truly been made possible and efficient thanks to steam for creating proton and because of that now they rolling in more profits which Adobe could learn from for me I enjoy the full complete customization I have over my system to tailor it to my needs no unnecessary bloat or slow load times or screen freezing due to too many processes running in the background during start up though everyone is entitled to use the os that works best for them. Curious to hear your side of the coin
@@Otakubro6 i don't care what people are doing and i would love linux to be bigger on the desktop. Time have just shown that nothing have really happened. and how the community is lying, and trying to sell linux as a desktop to people it make no sense to just so they don't use windows is, to be honest sick.
Also valve (A company way worse than windows) don't care about desktop linux, they care about steam deck linux, and if the steam deck don't sell as the want it to, valve will stop supporting proton.
What the numbers say is this. Gaming under linux means nothing, Desktop linux means nothing. The support of gaming under linux have not make linux gain more market share. you can look that up and see you self. And linux only having 3% at best in a 30 + years life span. Is not a good metrics, it's close to no growth at all. It is better than FreeBSD, but they don't really try to be a desktop os, they know what they are good at.
Totally agree! 👍
I just went to Windows 11. I was hardcore linux for years. Then a few games I wanted to play kept breaking with Proton and I was sick of having valube hard drive space taken up for shaders and different protons. I just got to the point in life where I want shit to work.
I used to love to tinker around and I used to enjoy fixing things. But now I am a geezer, I don't give a shit anymore..so I wenr back to Windows. Done with Linux.
Linux works as long as you don't try to go off the beaten path. A lot can be done through a browser, but other than that you're walking on eggshells.
It is good that you are calling out Linux autists on their bullshit and I agree with your points. But in conclusion you are doing the same as them with a opposite extreme opinion. Lets hope a company like Valve will fix some of these issues Linux has. Google in a way took Linux and made it work for a lot of people. So it is possible.
both of those are worse than MS and doing worse things to your privacy than MS and windows do :O So if Linux people have no problem with those two, they should not have a problem with windows.
It's that mentality that make me wonder how "smart" the linux users really are, or are they only mad at people/companies that would give them nice things, but if they do they can be as bad as they want :O
@@KentsTechWorld What does the valve do? Does it sell information on how many hours I have in Stardew Valley?
@@Felipe-rn1gf Yes. They also know you have........ 👓....... "Big Boobed Naked Catgirls Fighting Simulator"?
But now watching this video.. now i totally i agree with your point of view.
I always thought that the reason why Linux is failing , it's because the mind closed people that doesn't want it to grow. I don't have nothing against proprietary software, and why should i?, why everything should be open source? because of a specific philosophy?.. damn.. even i think if kdenlive was a paid program, they would be doing a better job for that editor with even more pasion
i'd love to leave windows for something better... but not worse! i've used Linux in the past and it's fine for my parents that have a basic PC to access facebook and watch the news, but for me, i wouldn't know where to begin with all the stuff that simply wouldn't work on it.
Well said👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
FOSS =Linux Users are Bums, they don't like to pay to support platform improvements.
This video and thread are cathartic. I’ve used Linux on and off for 25 years since I got my first computer in 1999. I thought things would get better but they haven’t. I will switch to MacOS on my personal machine soon. Windows has gotten more stable and better. Rarely crashes like it used to in the 90s and early 2000s. I’m done with desktop Linux, it is a dying project
Ha ! That's one of things I was thinking about in my analysis of the reasons linux is not more successful.
I came exactly to the same conclusion that linux dev should help proprietary software companies, and implement a healthy opportunity for companies to make money by selling shit.
Apparently flathub is working on it, that's great, and it's about time.
Sure some limits could be demanded like... I dunno... software on subscription is forbidden, or something along those lines. But the open-source fanatism or purity zeal or morale high ground is stupid AF.
I think open source software is important for the software community as a whole. I’d argue it’s like pro bono work that lawyers have to do. I’d even argue as a software engineer, that a certain amount of open source contribution should be mandatory, just like how it is for lawyers.
The entire internet runs on open source software, whether you think that’s stupid or not doesn’t matter. It’s a matter of maintaining freedom of speech by not locking online publishing behind hyper expensive paywalls. Or allowing the poor cheap access to technology. Anyone with a laptop and an internet connection can create a website. Anyone with a laptop can create software and perhaps change the world
Having software engineers from all over the globe contributing to keep improving the software that runs our modern world is a humanitarian service.
Many open source software is so good there is very few proprietary competitors, and the ones that exist are in the minority. Web servers for example, Apache and NGINX make up over 60% of all web servers.
Just because Linux desktop experience has not been perfected for YOUR use case doesn’t mean open source is bust.
I agree about mentality problems indeed, many people are elitists who think they are and just know better at everything than everyone, meaning in an other sence extremism, only few weeks i met one, total douchebag.. hate that.. Also many users out ain't so open minded, (the irony that constradics their ideals), same can be seen about many mac windows users, for each case they are defending.. , but at that point its just what it is overall. So i stay away the most from these kind of people and hope for the best really.
First! 😁 My last hope for the desktop is GNOME 🙏
Then you must have the patience of a noun lol
Gnome is not desktop friendly at all. They are tablet friendly. If you want a desktop then use either Mate, Cinnamon, XFCE4 or KDE.
@@andreasvukman Once you adapt to the Gnome workflow is at least just as fast as using a traditional interface. Objectively you only need two features for a functional desktop. The first is to be able to launch an app, so in Gnome it's super key and type a few letters followed by enter, exactly like cinnamon etc. The second feature is app switching. Alt+tab in Gnome, sound familiar? again just the same as any traditional desktop.
@@somegeezer4058 I know all that, but my workflow is very different. I don't want to press the super key and type a few letters to launch an application. I want the applications I use all the time to be always visible in the panel, and the panel to be always visible. No autohiding, which is the default in Gnome. You can't change this in Gnome unless you install an extension. Modern Gnome is no longer a desktop interface, it's a laptop and tablet interface. I have a 32" monitor and plenty of desktop space, so I don't need to "hide" anything. I always have a few folders on my desktop, and when I download things, I download them to the desktop first and then move them to where I want to keep them.
Linux is great if computers is your hobby. If computers have to be part of a hasslefree production environment where you want to spend time on work and not the tools you end up exactly on the opposite of Linux what is a Mac and Mac OS. Sorry folks…😂 There are people who needs a nail to be in a wall. Therefore you don’t need to be a hammer expert and configurater. Yo need a good and trusty hammer.
Windows is for fat bluepill beta (I use Arch btw)
Linux simply doesnt have “it just works” Regular people are never going to learn terminal or understand the tangled mess of trying to install apps. Windows phone died because MS woke up too late at app store party. Until linux unites behind cross distro standards, its never going to go mainstream popular with regular people. chromeOS is already filling that space.
There is only one desktop there works: KDE it's made by one group in QT, all GTk gnome desktops is a mes. I run Debian KDE it's stable as a rock.
KDE plasma > all
Have a nice fucking windows experience!
Thanks. (wrote to you from openSUSE) lmao
Have fun being emotional over things that don't impact you!
Finally, a Linux user who is being honest. Sure, people should use Linux if they love Linux, but don't tell Windows users that Linux is wonderful, and that Windows is crap. It doesn't take long to discover the truth. Personally, I don't give a toss about open source. I've been a software developer for 28 years. If everything was free, I'd not have a job. And open-source libraries are the worst to work with in my experience. The quality control is poor on balance. And most of it comes from the Linux world.
This is the funniest of all the videos you have made. Keep up the funny work!
See you on Windows
@@KentsTechWorld Good luck with spyware OS.
@@tarikulislam686 i never said i would not use linux ;) just i don't think it have a future as a desktop replacement. but hey thinking is hard. btw wellcome to spy youtube, spy steam, spy google, spy credit cards
@@KentsTechWorld Linux is about freedom, don't like it change to another distro, but you can't change your windows whether you like it or not. Fast software and then hardware. W8 and see sweetheart in near future there will be no other OS in custom PC unless we change it. It's 2023 baby , Odysee, duckduckgo, crypto or cash. Welcome to freedom.
@@tarikulislam686 you not as free as you think with those either
I dont see an excuse for these huge companies that develop hardware not to support linux , or atleast share the driver sourcecode so that its easyer to port it over
I've been using Linux for over 20 years, just so you know where I'm coming from. Windows has been installed on every new PC since the beginning of time. Microsoft grabbed the market share early on. Of course the hardware and software manufacturers are going to gravitate towards Windows. That's just a smart corporate strategy. None of this is Linux's fault. Linux isn't a company, it's an idea, a philosophy. It is meant for a small niche of users who like freedom, privacy and to tinker, and I'm alright with that. If the people want to sing praise to their Windows, more power to them. The software and hardware in Linux works just fine for me . Even though Linux isn't perfect like Windows (I just threw up a little in my mouth), there are improvements happening to Linux all the time. Maybe it's not fast enough for you Kent and I don't know what your workflow is, but slow and steady wins the race. Red Hat, Ubuntu and Suse have a much larger Server share than Microsoft, so Linux is doing fine in my opinion. The variety of desktop Linux's to me has been a joy not a burden. So all this time of telling us how great Opensuse and Linux was, were you just lying to us?
linux is nothing of that, as you know linux was made for the reason a guy could not afford a UNIX system, not to say F Y to windows, closed source, freedom and so on, all of that is the GNU camp that then and now are trying to take over linux. There is a reason linus don't like them that much ;)
Nope openSUSE is great. Linux is great just not as a desktop, and just like everyone that got all twisted up about the video, you did not listen at all. I did not say that i would never use linux or that i disliked linux more that windows, all i said is that i don't believe it will be a good contender as a desktop and that others do it way better. I still use linux as a desktop and i do enjoy it for a few tasks.
And if you look at my video "linux is not 90% if the server market"
you will see that linux is like 40% on the webserver market, 17% on the over all server market, where windows are the main dog used on all of those. So no they don't have a bigger market shear. If you look at the white paper Red Hat payed to get made about "subscription" market share, you will see that in that case, more people pay Red Hat then they pay MS for a subscription, that don't translate in to over all market share just that more people are wiling to pay Red Hat over people willing to pay MS, a lot of windows servers use 3rd party subscriptions for services and so on, as they are not that expensive as getting MS to do it.
I don't just talk out if my ass ;) i do a lot of research and talk to a lot of people for my videos. And a lot of time that even change my mind as i thought something else than what my research find or people tell me.
My mindset for almost every video is "let me see how good linux is at this or that", "how do Linux compere to other systems"
I think you get a bit blinded for the fact you don't like what i am saying, and then going in to defense mode and talk out of emotions and forget or bend what i am saying to confirm what you are thinking.
@@KentsTechWorld I'm not going on the defensive. I really do think Linux is better than Windows. Windows is slow, bloated, restrictive and intrusive. I guess we will have to agree to disagree Kent.
It is not because it was not so good in the past that it will not succeed in future :) You can give up, linux desktop doesn't care ...
I installed Arch Linux LTS on my grandma's Windows 95 PC and she can use it without issues so clearly Linux is ready as a complete replacement for everything in Windows.
that comment make no sense at all
@@KentsTechWorld Apparently his Grandma was running Windows 95 on a machine that meets the minimum spec for Arch: (LTS, WTF?)
* A x86_64 (i.e. 64 bit) compatible machine.
* Minimum 512 MB of RAM (recommended 2 GB).
* At least 1 GB of free disk space (recommended 20 GB for basic usage).
* An active internet connection.
* A USB drive with minimum 2 GB of storage capacity.
Makes the P100 with 8MB RAM that I used with Win 95 look kinda sad.
When thinking a horrible and likely fake anecdotal example is a universal truth...
@@bigbay1159 It's a grandma... she probably opens the browser to read the news and write emails to her friends... she can use the first ever version of fkin Debian and be fine.
Much of what you say is based on undeniable truths; most of what you say applies to every project out there. Those problems are there but dont define what Linux and the Open source Community is. Some folkss that are very agressive and loud? Look into a mirror, one of them switched the sides...
But why? There's still potential in the Linux desktop. After five years of running various distros, I've come full circle and returned to what started it all for me, Linux Mint. I'm using the GNOME desktop, but in the end, I'm using a distro that just plain works. I'm retiring my old desktop PC soon. I upgraded my newest laptop to 16 GB RAM after one year and am now giving it everything my old PC had, including all the hard drives.
Linux has stayed the same for like 15 years.
Yeah, Linux Mint is NOT just for n00bs!
@@KentsTechWorld Not hardly. For someone who claims to have used Linux for 25 years, you certainly don't get it. You have to use the right tool for the job, not try to make Linux something it's not or vice versa for any OS platform. Every platform has it's strengths and weaknesses, it's non-sense videos such as these that add to the toxic garbage. Please don't ball everyone into the opinion of a few. Then again you are a TH-camr after all, it's all about views, right?
@@tuxpower 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦🤦
@@tuxpower Ah .. a precious cult Linux user not able to take criticism of the OS!!
It's because Linux takes their inspiration from macOS. Never take inspiration from macOS.
Both of them based on UNIX operating system, MacOS was a fork of DarwinOS that also based on BSD
It doesn't make any sense Linux take inspiration from MacOS lol
You're clearly doesn't know whar you were talking about 😂
@@iusearchbtw69 See: Linux UI guidelines being total mac clones
@@supercellex4D What? it doesn't make any sense at all, most of Linux interface are either using GTK or QT
While MacOS is using cocoa toolkit
How is it clones 😂?
You've been a part of the open source community and Linux for 25 years and still don't get it? Incredible. If you want to play games and run business software, use Windows. If you want music production, use MacOS. If you want to make design and run video editing , choose between Windows and MacOS.
For fuck sake, Linux is a hobbyist OS, there aren't any huge corporations pouring billions of dollars into it and its software, so what the fuck do you expect?
Linux is a billion dollar industry, and there are many companies that put millions of dollars in to it each.
Just because you don't see it, don't mean it's not there
The problem is that Linux is being compered to windows and Mac OS, so if it's not a desktop os for the people, but a hubby OS, then stop compering it, and stop all the nonsense about "The year of the linux desktop" or why "Linux is better than windows and macOS". All of that should not matter if linux was just a hubby and should looked at like that.
The fact is that most linux user do not see it as that, they see it as a replacement for windows and macOS and actively want that to happen. And that is why the video was made.
If you don't get it, then you don't get a lot of linux users or why they use it. You may not think like that or agree with them on those points, and that is really amazing and great, the fact is the way you look at it, is sadly not how a lot of people look at it. and those are the one I am talking to!
Or may be you to close to it all to see it, I know I was for about 15 years of my 27 years of linux. I was so blind I was helping building and selling linux PC in the 90's just o get rid of windows.
So what the fuck do I expect, well I expect not to be talked to like that, I expect that other linux users would stop going after other people using other OS's, I expect Linux to leave anyone else alone and just do it thing so no anti this or anti that. I expect for linux users to be more open to new ideas they don't agree with, I expect linux users to stop the infighting. I could go on
Linux as a desktop OS is pure garbage.
That's a very exaggerated and uncivilized way to put it. It does some things better than Windows and MacOS, and it struggles in a lot of areas ...
@Paint It Black Linux desktop allows me to use the computer the way I want it to. This includes the desktop layout, themes, icons, fonts, no ads/bloatware, direct control over telemetry ...
It also will not try to force me to use their services like Edge or to create a Microsoft account.
When I connect Bluetooth headphones, I can use the high resolution codecs like aptx.
In addition, I get to choose when/ if I want to update the installed apps and system, and I get to know what is being updated.
There are probably things I could at, but I stop here for now.
@Paint It Black Elaborate?
@Paint It Black Linux runs much better on older hardware. You can make a minimal installation on older system and you can use it for basic things as second system, media server etc. On windows isn't going to be pleasant experience.
If you are working with virtual boxes Linux is also much faster than windows.
It is also is much faster on file operations than windows, that is normal because they have newer and better filesystems than the ancient NTFS.
So Linux in some cases is a lot faster and efficient than windows, but for me the most important is that they give the choice to built my system in they way i like it.
There are cases that Linux is better than windows and cases that windows is better for sure.
Kent doesn't understand or better doesn't want to understand, that he is against the toxic community and there are quite few times that he is more toxic than them.
@Paint It Black Linux boots quicker. Applications load quicker. Updates update quicker.
The nail-in-the-coffin for me giving up on Linux is the x-org/Wayland debate. I had a very obscure problem with Wayland, and every time I asked for help, I got shit on. "There's no way that can happen" or "sounds like someone doesn't know what they're doing" are typical responses. I've learned a lot during the four years I've been using Linux, but I'm done.
WTF dude WTF?!
This analogy is silly. Why am I seeing all these videos criticizing Linux? It feels manufactured. Is MS paying people to do this? Linux is one of the most amazing community driven efforts. It is not produced by a company but by volunteers. And it's a stable useable product.
honestly, i spent years taming windows, and only recently having switched full time (i'd say about 2 years) linux is fine. i don't understand the criticisms. and plus i used the terminal on windows too (powershell as well). most of the programs i use work flawlessly on linux and those that don't, well i just don't use them anymore lol. i'm just sick of windows man.
@@gvcvbbhvbbccxcvn Been using Linux for over ten years now. There are times when its a hassle. But once you get it set up, it's rock solid. There's also more information available for how it's supposed to work.
So you've used Linux for the past 25 years and get nothing out of it?
What are you doing with your machine, browsing the web? 😂
thats what i did with linux.
Yes.
You've used Linux for 25 years and learned nothing... amazing.
Mostly I figure you must be a gamer..... or unable to learn.
There is no other reason for having this opinion after long experience with Linux.
God only know what you expect or want out of an OS?
Telepathy interface?
Sorry that you don't know what you are doing!
LAMO!!!!! sure, that's it
Many of these arguments are overly exaggerated, there are third party drivers for many peripherals, openrazer for example.
Even my no-name keyboard does have RGB support.
"Footstep highlights" can be done by using equalizer like easyeffects.
and list goes on...
in my experience most of OEM software for peripherals can be replaced, and replacement can be even better.
Yes there is no proper replacement for Adobe apps, but you are blaming users, you should blame corporation who wont release their software.
"25 Years" and you didn't learn anything in all these years? linux desktop has potential. its people like you, who keep blaming user for corporation issues. Community actually tried to run software like adobe through tools like WINE. And explain it to me why should a community do that and not a corporation? why do community need to waste their effort on this instead of advancing linux desktop? what if community not interested in this? its the same logic as asking microsoft to develop all applications
oh i learned more than you can think of ;)
I blame user that tell others what to do.
And if you want companies to support linux. make it worth it for them!! ´
Wine is a mess.
And the community want it, or most of it want it.
you seam to have drink all the cool-aid.
I have talked 100's of linux fans, windows fans, mac fans, past linux users (It pros, users, IT managers, CEO's, dev's and more) etc. so i have a massive base of data that most don't even most linux users don't have
that's one of the things you get wroth over 26 years of talking linux with al kind of people!
lol funny. Valve came to linux nobody force them asked them or bribe them. There are bad people in every community. Linux is about freedom, don't like it change to another distro, but you can't change your windows whether you like it or not. Fast software and then hardware. W8 and see sweetheart in near future there will be no other OS in custom PC unless we change it. How to do we change it by using Linux. Good luck with spyware OS.
Valve is a way worse company than Microsoft. Also Microsoft is massively sponsoring open source and Linux, var more than valve. Valve "came" to linux but have not helped linux what so ever grow on the desktop. And if the steam deck and steam box fail, they will do as the have done before with linux, drop it like a hott potatoe. You sadly have no idea what you are talking about
@@KentsTechWorld How Valve worse then Spysoft? "Microsoft is massively sponsoring open source and Linux" keep telling yourself that darling. Why Valve need to help Linux, we need their software and they delivered. They see the future is Linux, next Epicgames and then GOG. W8 and see, we don't need adobe to help linux, we want their software that's it. That is what valve did.
@@tarikulislam686 🤦♂️
@@tarikulislam686 Valve don't see the future is Linux they're just smart enough not to put all their eggs in one basket, especially now that Microsoft has it's own gaming store.
Spyware OS was a crazy foresight there with Recall, damn.
You knew all this time...
Many of you are referring to Linux users as Linux fan boys. Aren't you people referring to people in this manor actually Windows and Mac fanboys. 😏
Linux fanboys are mostly used to talk about the toxic side of linux. Where linux fans are linux users are the rest.
great...use other os..what's the point of keep talking shit about it?
To show the world how people like you are 😜
like what? enjoying what use and don't talk bad what other people use?
@@soulprestigio9162 i did not talk about about it, i just talked about my 25 years experience with linux, and one the majority have. You wanting to be a gatekeeper or tell me not to speak as it will make linux look "bad" is one of the massive problems linux have in it's community, and have had for decades. what you should be doing is asking what linux and the community could do to keep people like me there or maybe help with ideas on how to give people a better experience ;)
What i am doing is saying what others don't want to cos people like you will attack them or bully them. What i am saying is nothing new, and something i have talked to over 100 people about over the years. why is it that the average linux user have only used it for 3 to 5 years?? well most don't stick around for many reasons, some i talked about here.
I don't want to gatekeep anybody...I supporting people to use whatever they want to use... your videos here shitting linux developers on whatever they do...and telling them to do something absolutely out of their power...no operating system is perfect...if it works for me, I'm happy... if it doesn't for anybody else...they can use whatever works for them...I just don't get why your videos so negative towards everything...like for what? are you gonna help or shill for anything?
@@soulprestigio9162 so saying the truth is being negative lol. i am saying those things as it's things that would help linux, and are the reason people don't use linux. If no one say them, they are not going to be heard. and it's not out of their power. there are so many things they can do and i say it often.
You need to learn the different between critical and negative. You just call it negative cos you don't like it. but if you look at the massive amount of people supporting what i say you would not say that. If you want linux to be better you work on the things it don't do well, and you talk about them, if you only talk about the things linux are good at, things will never change.
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