Psychoanalysis and queer theory have an overlap: They both realize that sexuality isn't merely an identity. But, psychoanalysis prefers to stop short of applying itself to identity politics aside from saying it doesn't have much to say about it, while queer theorists (as opposed to queer activists) are similarly critical of identity politics but for different reasons. The presentation wasn't meant to be an explanation to specific concepts, rather it was two ppl talking about how to approach the issue of identity (imaginary and symbolic) and sexuality (partially real) by the disciplines working together. It's an approach, not a seminar, so looking for what they're saying won't make much sense unless you're involved in one of these two fields but want to know how you could work with people in the other field of study.
40minutes into the talk, and not a single critical question. 15mins of introduction and the rest is only on a descriptive level. Who cares about the weather we like. The question should be, why we like it - why you as an interviewer and guest chose to prefer queer theory, other than saying freuds heteronormativity is somehow problematic. Furthermore it would be nice to actually present arguments, not just conclusions; but highlighting the way of coming to that or that conclusion. And other than saying sexuality is complex there is nothing of value or new, nothing deep in this talk. Again, as with the talk on AI, no depth, only descriptive. Which is very disappointing, because i imagine, guest and interviewer actually might have some depth in their theory (at least i guess so, cant see it in the talks). Stating this depth could acutally build up momentum and challenge other theories. I, as more of a freudian and in this sense heteronormative psychoanalytic theorist, am in no way challenged by this talk and the one on AI, nor did i find any interesting ideas here. That alone i find very disappointing. If you say you enjoy the science of desire and passion, expressis verbis psychoanalysis, i wonder where this desire and passion is showing itself in this talk and in the theory. Btw. Political plattitudes, as presented, are annoying, and kind of the reason why these talks about queer are so boring and not taken serious, at least not by me. Allthough i tried it, but after 40mins i give up. I feel i showed my good will. Best regards Benjamin
Ja man hast recht, das ist aber immer so mit solchen Denker, es wird nie in Detail Erklärungen geben, warum was die sagen mehr wahr ist als zum Beispiel eine alternative Theorie, Stadtessen nur Erklärungen was die denken.
I wasn't reading the comment section at first and got into this talk because this topic is relevant for my graduate thesis but it's been over 18 minutes since I quite doubted this talk, I pressed the pause button and came across your comment. I quite agreed with you and abandon this instantly.
I wonder what critical question would have the adequate depth to pry open your desire to engage with this for what it is. Gathering thoughts and responses so that we might look over them. The relationship between the two domains is already unproductively critical and in much need of simple and polite restatement, if only to wait out the dull conservative fury of ever threatened psychoanalysts. Tl;dr: would you ever relax
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I'm 31min and I have no idea what they're talking about. Even at a basic level.
Thanx, so that I don't waste my time..
Psychoanalysis and queer theory have an overlap: They both realize that sexuality isn't merely an identity. But, psychoanalysis prefers to stop short of applying itself to identity politics aside from saying it doesn't have much to say about it, while queer theorists (as opposed to queer activists) are similarly critical of identity politics but for different reasons.
The presentation wasn't meant to be an explanation to specific concepts, rather it was two ppl talking about how to approach the issue of identity (imaginary and symbolic) and sexuality (partially real) by the disciplines working together.
It's an approach, not a seminar, so looking for what they're saying won't make much sense unless you're involved in one of these two fields but want to know how you could work with people in the other field of study.
@@kerycktotebag8164 The problem of using Queer is reference only sexuality, when it should be about gender identity and even Intersex queer bodies too
40minutes into the talk, and not a single critical question. 15mins of introduction and the rest is only on a descriptive level. Who cares about the weather we like. The question should be, why we like it - why you as an interviewer and guest chose to prefer queer theory, other than saying freuds heteronormativity is somehow problematic. Furthermore it would be nice to actually present arguments, not just conclusions; but highlighting the way of coming to that or that conclusion. And other than saying sexuality is complex there is nothing of value or new, nothing deep in this talk. Again, as with the talk on AI, no depth, only descriptive. Which is very disappointing, because i imagine, guest and interviewer actually might have some depth in their theory (at least i guess so, cant see it in the talks). Stating this depth could acutally build up momentum and challenge other theories. I, as more of a freudian and in this sense heteronormative psychoanalytic theorist, am in no way challenged by this talk and the one on AI, nor did i find any interesting ideas here. That alone i find very disappointing. If you say you enjoy the science of desire and passion, expressis verbis psychoanalysis, i wonder where this desire and passion is showing itself in this talk and in the theory. Btw. Political plattitudes, as presented, are annoying, and kind of the reason why these talks about queer are so boring and not taken serious, at least not by me. Allthough i tried it, but after 40mins i give up. I feel i showed my good will.
Best regards
Benjamin
Ja man hast recht, das ist aber immer so mit solchen Denker, es wird nie in Detail Erklärungen geben, warum was die sagen mehr wahr ist als zum Beispiel eine alternative Theorie, Stadtessen nur Erklärungen was die denken.
@I. A lol keep on coping little snowflake
Agreed. Nothing of substance. Just political platitudes.
I wasn't reading the comment section at first and got into this talk because this topic is relevant for my graduate thesis but it's been over 18 minutes since I quite doubted this talk, I pressed the pause button and came across your comment. I quite agreed with you and abandon this instantly.
I wonder what critical question would have the adequate depth to pry open your desire to engage with this for what it is. Gathering thoughts and responses so that we might look over them. The relationship between the two domains is already unproductively critical and in much need of simple and polite restatement, if only to wait out the dull conservative fury of ever threatened psychoanalysts.
Tl;dr: would you ever relax
Wow. 53 minutes of talking without saying anything.
What utter nonsense.
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@@ipu-berlin so delete it
Pretty sensitive...I wonder if I still know the person whos "managing" this commentsection...@@ipu-berlin
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