It’s sad to see all the comments about these pilots being bad when this is the definition of a good pilot. They recognized that there was a problem and did the best and safest thing possible and did a go around. There are plenty of videos out there on TH-cam that shows a bad pilot that will try to force the plane down and bounces like 5 more times and then breaks a nose gear.
The problem as well if they bounce and don't do a go around is they can end up flipping. It has happened more than once. With this pilot, simple mistake and proper corrective actions taken. If anything, I would want to fly with this pilot at the controls because they do the right thing when something goes wrong. You don't want the 'perfect' pilot because that does not exist. You want the pilot who follows proper procedures even when something goes wrong because that is a safe pilot.
It’s relieving to see common sense in the comments. As a pilot these things happen and you can see a quick and responsible reaction to the miscalculation. No pilot lands a greaser 10 out of 10 times. News these days focus on the wrong stuff
@@chamowinky Yeah go around and retry to land is common. but touch and go... common too? It happens and the plane can take it. I'm not sure how often that happens.
@@maxkonig559 yep. My news feed has always been filled to the brim with every go around and diversion from funky smells in the cabin/cockpit. The frequency of these news stories lines up with that. Boeing gave them a new cash cow with MCAS and Alaska.
Perhaps, but come on, that is spectacularly, unusually bad operation beyond a normal hard landing or go around. The pilot was positively sheepish on the ATC audio, but he owned it.
The retired pilot is immensely down playing it this particular situation. Sure there are aborted take offs or Landings all the time but this one was executed very poorly and wasn’t far from an accident. This is not some small fighter jet that can be forgiven. This is a 747 that weights thousands of tons carrying hundreds of people. This was extremely dangerous.
Imagine botching the landing so bad that a local news station makes a full story about it and sends a reporter to the scene, brings 2 different experts on the show and contacts your airline about possible injuries. Poor pilot. Did all the right things, yet here’s the media blowing it way out of proportion.
So, I’m a German, I’m also subscribed to AVL, and I have to say, many lives have been saved thanks to the pilots. without their experience and expertise this would be a different story
these captains are able to land these aircraft by using only instruments with fog on sight. Just a rough landing, captain corrected the issue and went around for a safe landing.
@@shaggydawg5419 go to the actual footage. As he's coming over the fence, it almost looks like a wing wave, then nose up, then he steps down for the touchdown. Winds played a role here
Kevin not once said he never wanted to see that again he said he probably won’t ever see something like that again. Typical news reporter changing the narrative to get the attention.
Great publicity for the AVL channel, Kevin! Superb footage. I watched it 'live' and did wonder what it must have felt like for the passengers at the time. The eventual landing was butter smooth!
Y’all should pull this story. It’s not news and there is nothing noteworthy about it. There are a dozen possible explanations for why this plane experienced a hard landing, none of them particularly extraordinary or treacherous. And the pilot reacted exactly as he/she was supposed to by performing a go-around. The story only works to sow fear and mistrust in an area that does not warrant either. KCAL should be embarrassed.
@@leezurligen227 I’m not sure that makes it noteworthy. Anyone that watches plane spotting with any regularity sees this sort of thing quite often. A simple search of “plane spotting” on TH-cam will illustrate my point. For the media to treat this as if it were some sort of close call is misleading. There’s enough going on out there they could be reporting on that actually warrants our attention. Stoking unnecessary fear amongst the traveling public serves no purpose and undermines KCAL’s credibility.
@@jaysonbelyea8981I think Kevin from AVL was using a different position than normal that day and was actually below runway level which makes it look all the more awesome.
I meet Leslie Marin and her cameraman yesterday just before the interview. I also was there with Kevin Ray the day before when this Lufthansa 747-8i attempted to land at LAX on Runway 24 L. When the flight attendants advice you to put your seat and tray tables in the upright position do it for your own safety.
Wow that is D-ABYP, the 1500th 747, built almost 10 years ago. Looks like the plane didn't want to land and by the time he put it down he had not enough runway left to stop it, so he had to abort the landing. Sure was an awesome and scary sight all at once. Impressive how the landing gear handled around 900,000 pounds of plane with control and ease. A medal to those pilots for an amazing job.
So many comments are "meh it's normal". I call that ********. All of the main gear was bottomed out in a fraction of a second (imagine the g force) and the bounce could have damaged the nose gear, or worse collapsed it, and at ~150mph that would not have been pretty at all. That pilot is on report, for sure.
Interesting response from the retired pilot. With the way these pilots handled the bounce, he is correct -- they initiated the go-around almost immediately, allowing only a single pilot induced oscillation before aborting the landing. Their competent response made it "not dangerous". But research FedEx Flight 80 at Narita airport, to see what can happen with a very large aircraft when pilots try to salvage a bounced landing, instead initiating the go-around.
Also every landing you can walk away from is a good landing and a great landing is the ones where you can walk away and fly that plane again. At least that’s what my instructor taught me lol.
Loved the segment. There was plenty of explanation along with the footage clarifying that this was not a serious incident, although a call to the airline inquiring about injuries was overkill. Hard and rejected landings happen all the time, but it's nevertheless spectacular to see, particularly with a gorgeous 747.
It really saddens me to scroll through these comments, even if they are jokes. This landing has nothing to do with diversity or gender and it was most likely a new pilot flying the 747. It also has nothing to do with the Boeing company. Just because its a hard landing doesn't mean anything about the company or the really the plane itself. It honestly makes me laugh watching all these ignorant comments of people who think they know what their talking about when in reality their just clowning themselves.
I feel kinda bad for the pilot. Yeah they messed up the landing, but they immediately made the right decision and executed a go around and now it's a national news story.
Sad that this is news. You know what is even more unsafe? When pilots to try land on an unstable approach and crash as a result. The FAA says pilots don’t do enough go-arounds. The news gaslighting pilots doing the right thing doesnt help!
Pilot needs to be relieved of duty. Send back to training. Should not be flying. Understand it was a training flight. You can’t fly. You are a danger to people flying.
That is what we maintenance guys called a hard landing. That should mean ground the aircraft and perform major maintenance, which includes NDI all wing roots, landing gear, engine mounts, and a complete NDI of any possible cracks in critical stress areas. Not good.
Any pilots explain this question? As a lay person, it seemed like he had the flaps down a long time after taking off again. Having no knowledge, it would seem to me that you’d want those up when going up in the air. Please let me know.
Odd coincidence - I pulled a target up on ForeFlight yesterday as I saw a heavy contrail flying north to south over Jackson Wyoming. 4 engine contrails aren’t that common. The ID tag said Lufthansa 748. (747-800) with 1:35 flight time to go before landing in KLAX.
That retired pilot saying that was a clunker was a understatement those engines almost made contact with that runway and did you see the way the aircraft bent and torqued sad that Boeing retired it.
This was not a big deal the way landings go. Pilots are trained to deal with these situations. This youtuber obviously saw an opportunity to capitalize on this, call the media and get some free advertising. I agree, it must have been a slow news day.
If you’re a passenger like me with anxiety and jumpy I will scream on top of my lungs 🫁 that happened to our plane landing and the pilot hit the brakes hard I guessed and the impact created a loud noise that made me scream! For others it’s okay but if you’re a nervous wreck person it’s very unpleasant feeling.
Gracias a Dios que no pasó ninguna tragedia. Sólo sé que más de un pasajero quemó sus amibas. Pero me surge una interrogante grandísima, porqué a la segunda si lo hizo bien el piloto? O sea, no se trató de ningún fenómeno del clima o algo parecido, tengo entendido que los aviones al momento de tocar el suelo hay un movimiento o maniobra de estabilización antes de tocar pista, y en la primera se ve claramente que el avión no tuvo ese procedimiento de estabilización y tocó fuertemente la pista. La pregunta es, que pasó? desconcentración del piloto? O falló algún mecanismo o un dispositivo de medición del avión?.
Smooth Go-around they resolved the bad situation by applying procedures. Only thing they have to do is inspect the landing gear and maybe change some tyres and the pilot will be remembered for this for a couple of months.
People in this country need a life. Yes, a rough landing and several causes possible but the pilots were at their game and came back to land silky smooth. Nothing to see here except some smoke. Pug-leease
So Lufthansa still flies 747 passenger planes? Hardly anyone else does these days. Having said that, it’s always been my favorite plane as a passenger!!
On the first bounce, you are supposed to hold the landing attitude and let it settle back to the runway or go around. They lowered the nose causing the situation to be worse.
It’s sad to see all the comments about these pilots being bad when this is the definition of a good pilot. They recognized that there was a problem and did the best and safest thing possible and did a go around. There are plenty of videos out there on TH-cam that shows a bad pilot that will try to force the plane down and bounces like 5 more times and then breaks a nose gear.
Exactly. Even the best pilots have bad landings from time to time
what do you expect when the news thingy starts with "shocking". Air Pakistan was shocking when they did NOT go around but tried to force a landing.
The problem as well if they bounce and don't do a go around is they can end up flipping. It has happened more than once.
With this pilot, simple mistake and proper corrective actions taken. If anything, I would want to fly with this pilot at the controls because they do the right thing when something goes wrong. You don't want the 'perfect' pilot because that does not exist. You want the pilot who follows proper procedures even when something goes wrong because that is a safe pilot.
It’s relieving to see common sense in the comments. As a pilot these things happen and you can see a quick and responsible reaction to the miscalculation. No pilot lands a greaser 10 out of 10 times. News these days focus on the wrong stuff
Good pilots protect millions of lives a day, more than a surgeon's entire career.
Respect to pilots who respect life.
Media always overreacts with everything
Fr, and there's been like 3 of these videos I've seen so far
@@chamowinky Yeah go around and retry to land is common. but touch and go... common too? It happens and the plane can take it. I'm not sure how often that happens.
It's called ratings.
@@maxkonig559 yep. My news feed has always been filled to the brim with every go around and diversion from funky smells in the cabin/cockpit. The frequency of these news stories lines up with that. Boeing gave them a new cash cow with MCAS and Alaska.
Perhaps, but come on, that is spectacularly, unusually bad operation beyond a normal hard landing or go around.
The pilot was positively sheepish on the ATC audio, but he owned it.
Must of been a really slow day in media
*must've ❤😊
And in your life to make a comment 😂
Must have…
*must HAVE
Yeah, although the nose wheel contact was quite hard.
If they were “bad pilots” they wouldn’t have gone around and went off the runway.
Retired pilot 🧑✈️: nothing dangerous about it.
Passengers: 💩 X 400.
😂😂😂😂
The retired pilot is immensely down playing it this particular situation. Sure there are aborted take offs or
Landings all the time but this one was executed very poorly and wasn’t far from an accident. This is not some small fighter jet that can be forgiven. This is a 747 that weights thousands of tons carrying hundreds of people. This was extremely dangerous.
Sure, but those planes ✈️ are (should) be built to take it!
@@carolfiggins9122 If this makes people 💩themselves they would really love a trip to old Kai Tak airport.🤣
@@fdx997oh yeah 👍! The ol' Kai Tak Heart Attack :)
The pilot was a former Ryanair pilot and performed what he thought was a normal landing
😂
Ryanair 3000 flights a day, Lufthansa 1200 flights a day. Fatalities Ryanair 0, Lufthansa 150
ryan air comments are not funny sorry to break it to you lil kid
Imagine botching the landing so bad that a local news station makes a full story about it and sends a reporter to the scene, brings 2 different experts on the show and contacts your airline about possible injuries.
Poor pilot.
Did all the right things, yet here’s the media blowing it way out of proportion.
Geez imagine and here thinking I’m having a bad day at work
Kevin getting some free advertising for AVL !!
So, I’m a German, I’m also subscribed to AVL, and I have to say, many lives have been saved thanks to the pilots. without their experience and expertise this would be a different story
What are you talking about, the pilots caused the issue in the first place, perfect visibility day time no storm or gusts landing conditions.
@@LordLauderdale Your reply is quite arrogant isn't it?
@@ZnamManzthat’s your view. When you have hundreds of passengers onboard and are highly trained and paid you need to do better.
@@LordLauderdale You really don't know the situation. The plane was still structually intact and was made for that type of impact.
Kudos to that pilot - he followed procedural safe guards and eventually landed safely. We appreciate our overworked pilots!
Sure, but he almost did it again on the second 😂
these captains are able to land these aircraft by using only instruments with fog on sight. Just a rough landing, captain corrected the issue and went around for a safe landing.
And First Officers
Why so certain it waas the captain?
It was a training flight, is what the airline said
"Just"? Just downplay it.
Probably caught a downdraft. pilots are well trained and recovered
it's possible and that is very scary. An extremely strong one will slam that plane onto the runway. No chance of recovering from that.
@@shaggydawg5419 go to the actual footage. As he's coming over the fence, it almost looks like a wing wave, then nose up, then he steps down for the touchdown. Winds played a role here
isn't that a windshear or is that something different
@@TheBeagle58winds had zero to do with this.
Happens time to time. Nothing 'scary'
Kevin not once said he never wanted to see that again he said he probably won’t ever see something like that again. Typical news reporter changing the narrative to get the attention.
Those were definitely not Firestone tires 😂
It's Goodyear
"Pilot" makes a common error and media mentions Boeing? You can't make this stuff up...
Welcome to Biden America 🇺🇸
Yes. Exactly.
Great publicity for the AVL channel, Kevin! Superb footage. I watched it 'live' and did wonder what it must have felt like for the passengers at the time. The eventual landing was butter smooth!
Only the news could exaggerate a touch and go into a major event😂
Good recording from Kevin and AVL!
Y’all should pull this story. It’s not news and there is nothing noteworthy about it. There are a dozen possible explanations for why this plane experienced a hard landing, none of them particularly extraordinary or treacherous. And the pilot reacted exactly as he/she was supposed to by performing a go-around. The story only works to sow fear and mistrust in an area that does not warrant either. KCAL should be embarrassed.
It’s noteworthy because it was caught on video.
@@leezurligen227
I’m not sure that makes it noteworthy. Anyone that watches plane spotting with any regularity sees this sort of thing quite often. A simple search of “plane spotting” on TH-cam will illustrate my point. For the media to treat this as if it were some sort of close call is misleading. There’s enough going on out there they could be reporting on that actually warrants our attention. Stoking unnecessary fear amongst the traveling public serves no purpose and undermines KCAL’s credibility.
@@jaysonbelyea8981 Typical behavior for the media.
@@jaysonbelyea8981I think Kevin from AVL was using a different position than normal that day and was actually below runway level which makes it look all the more awesome.
Great catch by Kevin of AVL. Well done 👏🏻
I hear that it took longer to clean the inside of the aircraft than it took to clean the outside.
Soul Plane 😂 with the hydraulics
Excellent report Kevin , I congratulate you greatly
I love how news - SHOCKING / AMAZING - it happens at least a dozen times a day around the world and no one has a problem.
Great job Kevin & AVL! Glad the TV folks came out to talk to you.
I would say Shocking is a bit too strong a word to use? Whats so shocking about it.Entertaing for sure.
The passengers probably didn’t feel anything. That suspension system worked like magic, the cabin didn’t move.
Oh…they felt that
I meet Leslie Marin and her cameraman yesterday just before the interview. I also was there with Kevin Ray the day before when this Lufthansa 747-8i attempted to land at LAX on Runway 24 L. When the flight attendants advice you to put your seat and tray tables in the upright position do it for your own safety.
Wow that is D-ABYP, the 1500th 747, built almost 10 years ago. Looks like the plane didn't want to land and by the time he put it down he had not enough runway left to stop it, so he had to abort the landing. Sure was an awesome and scary sight all at once. Impressive how the landing gear handled around 900,000 pounds of plane with control and ease. A medal to those pilots for an amazing job.
I applaud the guy who caught this for his channel, but thumbs down for CBS for making this a news.
This is the most non-news news story I've seen in a long time. Lol. 😂
Would've been a complete story if they'd shown the second try.
Great job Kevin kudos to AVL.
Cool that I got to see this live...but they never mentioned AVL...but did keep the graphics
Everyone is safe .... That's all that matters. Thank you to the pilot the crew and that everyone is ok .
So many comments are "meh it's normal". I call that ********.
All of the main gear was bottomed out in a fraction of a second (imagine the g force) and the bounce could have damaged the nose gear, or worse collapsed it, and at ~150mph that would not have been pretty at all.
That pilot is on report, for sure.
Good thing Lufthansa went for the heavy-duty option on the landing gear.
the pilot actually did a butter landing on the 2nd time around.
Interesting response from the retired pilot. With the way these pilots handled the bounce, he is correct -- they initiated the go-around almost immediately, allowing only a single pilot induced oscillation before aborting the landing. Their competent response made it "not dangerous". But research FedEx Flight 80 at Narita airport, to see what can happen with a very large aircraft when pilots try to salvage a bounced landing, instead initiating the go-around.
As a pilot, every landing is a go around with the option to land! A stabilized approach makes for a good landing and visa-versa.
Also every landing you can walk away from is a good landing and a great landing is the ones where you can walk away and fly that plane again. At least that’s what my instructor taught me lol.
The flight took off from Frankfurt and was bound to Hawaii with a stopover at LAX, a very short stopover.
Must be a slow news day because there is nothing unusual about a hard landing
Hard? I'd hate to see your idea of a REALLY hard landing. One requiring a 9 yard delivery of pre-mixed concrete? 😂😂
Slow day in your life if you’re commenting 😂🙄
@@70sGal says a commenter of a comment 🤡
how is this news worthy?
Great to see Barry Schiff doing well! I grew up on his early VHS videos!
Loved the segment. There was plenty of explanation along with the footage clarifying that this was not a serious incident, although a call to the airline inquiring about injuries was overkill. Hard and rejected landings happen all the time, but it's nevertheless spectacular to see, particularly with a gorgeous 747.
Why we all clap when it's a smooth landing
Media Sensationalism Much?
Very much
It really saddens me to scroll through these comments, even if they are jokes. This landing has nothing to do with diversity or gender and it was most likely a new pilot flying the 747. It also has nothing to do with the Boeing company. Just because its a hard landing doesn't mean anything about the company or the really the plane itself. It honestly makes me laugh watching all these ignorant comments of people who think they know what their talking about when in reality their just clowning themselves.
That is how reliable 747 is,the aliens got upset to realized how the plane is so tremendous in all aspects.
Good to see Kevin and AVL featured! I saw it happen live on the show and at that moment it was an unexpected experience!
And now....let's hear from the experts.
I feel kinda bad for the pilot. Yeah they messed up the landing, but they immediately made the right decision and executed a go around and now it's a national news story.
These 747's can take it. Made for that kind of stuff. Now and then something like this happens. Looked worse than it was.
Los Angeles Mexico. Nice coverage Univision...
We love AVL and Plane Jockey Ray!
This is a complete non-story.
So why are you here?
@@FireLordJohn3191 Popped up on my feed. So I watched and realized it's just as always the media making a mountain out of a mole hill.
@@ryanlittleton5615but you’re still here😂
@@70sGal Yup. And?
@@ryanlittleton5615 😂🥴
Sad that this is news. You know what is even more unsafe? When pilots to try land on an unstable approach and crash as a result. The FAA says pilots don’t do enough go-arounds. The news gaslighting pilots doing the right thing doesnt help!
Ease up on the handful of airline incidents and get back to real news.
That pilot did an exceptional job excuting a aborted landing,that could of turned out much worse.Those pilots have nerves of steel.
Imagine... this guy films planes landing and livestreams it, has 800k subscribers and (I assume) lives off that. Crazy.
Wrong calculations and mostly left the passengers horrified regardless they are prepared for it
The 747 is an incredibly well-built machine.
El Al 1862 and the residential building it crashed into show that that wasn’t always the case.
Pilot needs to be relieved of duty. Send back to training. Should not be flying. Understand it was a training flight. You can’t fly. You are a danger to people flying.
Standard go around, not dangerous.
That is what we maintenance guys called a hard landing. That should mean ground the aircraft and perform major maintenance, which includes NDI all wing roots, landing gear, engine mounts, and a complete NDI of any possible cracks in critical stress areas. Not good.
Any pilots explain this question? As a lay person, it seemed like he had the flaps down a long time after taking off again. Having no knowledge, it would seem to me that you’d want those up when going up in the air. Please let me know.
windshear windshear windshear, go around, we going around, toga power applied, flaps 3 on the bus not sure about the queen
It's not concerning. It's a go around. No big deal.
It’s not that shocking. Go around happened every day.
I think somebody is going to be reporting him/her self to office for serious talk up to including termination !!
Odd coincidence - I pulled a target up on ForeFlight yesterday as I saw a heavy contrail flying north to south over Jackson Wyoming. 4 engine contrails aren’t that common. The ID tag said Lufthansa 748. (747-800) with 1:35 flight time to go before landing in KLAX.
How about asking those passangers and how they experienced it!
Don't worry about it!
I think he's a great pilot!
Oh! The drama! It’s called oscillation it happens sometimes. This is why media is useless.
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.
And any landing where you can walk away from and still fly the plane is a great landing..lol we must have the same flight instructor
That retired pilot saying that was a clunker was a understatement those engines almost made contact with that runway and did you see the way the aircraft bent and torqued sad that Boeing retired it.
Gratz Kevin!
That's not easy to have a 747 bounce like that
One story made sure to state that it was a Boeing airplane!
Exactly.. smh
This was not a big deal the way landings go. Pilots are trained to deal with these situations. This youtuber obviously saw an opportunity to capitalize on this, call the media and get some free advertising. I agree, it must have been a slow news day.
Over reaction much? It happens all the time.
If you’re a passenger like me with anxiety and jumpy I will scream on top of my lungs 🫁 that happened to our plane landing and the pilot hit the brakes hard I guessed and the impact created a loud noise that made me scream! For others it’s okay but if you’re a nervous wreck person it’s very unpleasant feeling.
😮 Just Wow ! Glad all’s well
Gracias a Dios que no pasó ninguna tragedia. Sólo sé que más de un pasajero quemó sus amibas. Pero me surge una interrogante grandísima, porqué a la segunda si lo hizo bien el piloto? O sea, no se trató de ningún fenómeno del clima o algo parecido, tengo entendido que los aviones al momento de tocar el suelo hay un movimiento o maniobra de estabilización antes de tocar pista, y en la primera se ve claramente que el avión no tuvo ese procedimiento de estabilización y tocó fuertemente la pista. La pregunta es, que pasó? desconcentración del piloto? O falló algún mecanismo o un dispositivo de medición del avión?.
Those passengers will never fly Lufthansa again 😂
Jesus they are making it way too dramatic..stuff like this is common..they came around and landed it perfect..smh
Smooth Go-around they resolved the bad situation by applying procedures. Only thing they have to do is inspect the landing gear and maybe change some tyres and the pilot will be remembered for this for a couple of months.
Suprised they didn’t blame it in Boeing.
People in this country need a life. Yes, a rough landing and several causes possible but the pilots were at their game and came back to land silky smooth. Nothing to see here except some smoke. Pug-leease
Go live yours then instead of commenting 🙄
So Lufthansa still flies 747 passenger planes? Hardly anyone else does these days. Having said that, it’s always been my favorite plane as a passenger!!
Why all this fuss? Bad landings happen quite often
Where is Captain Stryker when you need him.
Its never happened before in the history of 747😮
Great work from the pilots split second decision they made.
On the first bounce, you are supposed to hold the landing attitude and let it settle back to the runway or go around. They lowered the nose causing the situation to be worse.
You teach em’ daddio
@@ganjabobby I did for 40 years
A bit of sensational type reporting. From what I understand, the landing was not stabilised, so they did a go around. No big deal.
That's why they call it a "Boing" 747.
Great reporting
Its not that shocking to the pilots. Its what they do. If they cant stick it. They go around. Better than the alternative