i feel this is the ultimate teaching by master k for us. everytime he asked this question, "whether it is possible or not for the conciousness to reveal it self at once" he always very energetic and really passionate
I thinks if one can understand this video,than there is no need to understand other things.it is whole,but it wants maturity,wisdom to accept this.I am doing meditation from 25 years.i can understand what bliss is.but sometime i missed this point,as I become aware after the thought but when awareness remains in front of the thought then there is no any problem.I think this is nirvana.liberation etc.
Let me begin with the fact of consciousness being with the whole of its content at once and not bit by bit but as a whole As regards thought observing itself as it arises In both the cased the seminal fact is, observation without the observer In attention in the living present there is perception without the perceiver I This is pure perception There is no thinker without thought Only one thought assumes the authority of the thinker separating itself with self as the centre One who is free from thought only has true understanding what action is
How passionate he is Marvellous talk😌 “ emotional shocks “ reveals everything in my case it’s painful and kind a madness but it’s a blessing in one way 😌😌😌🙌🙌the “I” became Joke now
Can you tell me the difference between thought becoming aware of itself and me becoming aware of thought? Is first one about being aware of thought arising without having a thought or comment about it and second one is me which is a thought commenting on last thought which had arisen!!?
Thought cannot become aware of itself. The thoughts can think it is thinking the thoughts but it is not so. When a thought says: I was just thinking this or that, or I was aware of what I was thinking, *that is still just thought*. One has become so identified with thoughts that a person has developed from thought which actually doesn’t exist. This means that thought thinks it is thinking, or the thought thinks it’s someone thinking thoughts. But actually There is no thinker, only the thoughts in movement, Literally When you can observe every thought without being identified with it in anyway you will be free from it completely. All your mental suffering will not exists. Observe even the thoughts that say I like this or I want that, or I am sad, or I am stressed or I feel pain or I want enlightenment or I am scared. When you can observe even those thoughts, you will be looking at this person you thought and believed you were your whole life and will see that this person is nothing but a bundle of *thoughts*. They are just thoughts that’s all, NOT a person. That is real meditation. One that is not bound by even his own mind or his illusory self You will be observing the thoughts without any reaction as all reactions come from thought and there is no (person to react) as you are literally watching that (person in the mind) saying i want freedom, i must rush, I don’t like that etc. You are observing all this which is called the i thought. Try this right now while your reading this: say with your thoughts in your mind, I am me, I am sad, I am happy, I want money. You’ll see you are not the thoughts, you are what observed them. You’ll see that awareness watches even the person thats thinking it is thinking There is no good or bad thoughts. Simply they are just thoughts. We give them positive and negative charge with our beliefs There is no (person) thinking. There is only thought itself. This illusion is the ego (the idea me) that is made up by thought and it comes from thinking that I am the body and mind When there is no thought, there is no mind, and no me You are what is aware of the body and thoughts. You are not the body, or any of the contents of the mind. You are not thoughts or the person that thought has made up. The true self is what observes all this drama happening Just observe. Literally. But not from the mind. If you try to observe from the mind it will be just thought thinking it’s observing. Completely Observe with awareness the whole thought process
If one understand this, it's life changing. K is pointing at universal consciousness that is free of its content induced by memory. It's infinite, free, fearless, primordial life.
I know I’m a year late but I want to share something. As far as I can understand I can be free of all conditioning, illusions etc, while still being fully active and operating on the world. Just by understanding that the mind is not my deepest essence, I can be free even of my memory and knowledge. Which knowledge is needed to apply, let’s say for my job/career, but while I’m free of it, it still re-emerges when it’s needed naturally. Right? I wonder if I’m just overthinking now or I’m close to some insight 🤔
I have an experience of what he is saying. Once I was empty from within and it was feeling very heavy from within. So I reached a point where silence was present and i sit there on grass and feeling the sunlight. It was a winter morning and the sunlight was making my heart very light and i found peace in there. While i was sitting for some moments there and looking or seeing the blue sky it was very good. Suddenly a thought arise in my mind from no where as it was like the sky give me the thought or said to me "tomorrow and day after tomorrow 2days there will be fog and after two days it will be a beautiful sunny day again". As this thought came to my mind my whole peace got disturbed. I stand up and was wondering from where such thought came in my mind, may i have became psychologically Ill or mad as how can I think such thing which is just as a kind of imagination. But my mood was off as how this thought came and destroyed my peacefulness. The day went and i wake up next morning and I was shocked because it was a very dense fog completely in contrast to the previous sunny day. Oh i thought it is just a coincidence and the day went off again. The same thing happened the next day was completely foggy morning again. It happened just as a coincidence maybe. But the day after these two foggy morning was a very fine bright sunny morning and there was a beautiful heat and warmth. Here I got shocked because it was not mere a coincidence or imagination what I had thought previously it was completely true. I feeling experience of life i had that day and till now I'm thinking about it from where that thought arose in my mind and i can completely understand what this highly educated old man jaddu Krishnamurthy sir is saying and why he is finding it not easy to explain. Thanks for this video of Krishnamurthy sir he is a good man.
There is either thought or its awareness, two cannot coexist, i.e., the thought dissolves as soon as there is awareness. Continous awareness is clarity
Right because in that thought also awareness involves,hence we get one with thought e.g. anger,desire feels real emotions which is awareness is both sides object thought and thinker me thought 🤔. This very Very deep
I do think that thinking being aware of itself is something that is not very easy to do,because it needs you and the brain to break the pattern without a pattern,to change without motive.For us motive ia everything,even the brain works from cause and effect,if you r leg is sitting weird,at some point the brain tellas your body to move,everything is cause and effect,every action has a motive,its pretty insane to do something that breaks the order of how things work,but i do like the challenge though
Yes, when thought becomes aware of itself, thought stops, it's dead, another dimension emerges, there is attention, complete silence, vast space. The opposite is not paying attention, being distracted. realizing that not paying attention is paying attention. There are only two states: thinking and not thinking (not paying attention and paying attention). When one exists, the other disappears. There is no single entity there to be aware of thought. What is aware of thought is the whole, the sacredness that lies within the human being, a part of the source, the sacredness of the entire universe. it is also the energy of life, of the universe. all is one, life and death are one.
Being consciously aware of a thought isn't the same as having a thought, it's a vague question because what type of thought are you having? I sometimes daydream and when I become aware of a thought in the daydream I'm aware, I'm no longer having the thought but I actually like when this happens and i will backtrack my thoughts sometimes i have jumped 5 or 6 thoughts back to the start and understand why I'm thinking of my childhood because my subconscious noticed a similarity from my memory or it can be another random experience, and I can backtrack my thoughts consciously successfully 90% of the time. But being in thought connects you to emotions and sensory stimuli You can even physically lose focus to what your physically looking at and you lose awareness, mentally which can be so deep in thought you lose local physicality to the thought. So being consciously aware of a thought while having a thought is possible .but depending on how much energy and sensory stimuli is involved in the thought would delegate how much conscious awareness you have of it while in it.
@@funkmaster101 awareness is observation without thought, it does not compare with petty bias, seperation etc, it simply observes the motion of psychological thought created by sense of self & the confusion it creates.
Thought planted a feather and expected a fowl to grow. I'll be damned if I know what it means but my mom used to say it all the time if i neglected a chore and said that I 'thought' somebody else had done it. 🤣🤣🤣🙏🏽💜
Simple yet troublesome. I am still waiting for some magical thing to come out of this, I can see that, even though I know that is not really the point. If you understand it, then that is good.
@@Ram0nAlan waiting for a "magical thing" is a motive, the phsychological desire of ego. While you continue to seek a personal reward it is still thought as self satisfaction. You see it intellectuaiiy & it is the intellect that blinds you from the simplicity of awareness.
paul stuart I think a lot of people stumble on ego. They think it’s that thing that you can get rid of to be nicer. Like a smaller part of you. That’s sort of the western ego that still let’s us be an individual and proud. When K talks about ego he’s mentioned it as the entire thing in the skull. He literally means the “me”. The “I”. What we are, from the subconscious to the super ultra consciousness ideas we come up with is the ego. The me. That entire center.. that’s more or less what I’ve seen him mean by the ego. Subtle but radically different perspective. :)
@@Thegooob95 Then I got confused now... because I Thought higher levels of consciousness were a "different" thing from the LOWER ego!?... Am I getting it all mixed up?
@@Thegooob95 There is no objective ego in the brain; no spot of witch one can say: there it is! There is only thought as an objective proces that can be measured through various techniques, but the content of thought is imagination, which is illusion. Out of that imagination thought creates the ego as a set of identities with wich it identifies. If you're not aware of it, that illusion becomes reallity, because it gets manifest through your behavior and it materialises in the institutions that you create.
Can there be awareness as there is thinking going on!... Brilliant! Can there be whole observation of your wife? Not just face....whole quality of human being....That is possible only when there is abandonment of petty 'me'...! Can there be awareness of jealousy as it arises? Can there be awareness as soon as first word of a thought arises? At last There are only thoughts. Thinker if sought continuously will vanish! And thought comes first, then the thinker.
Can someone tell me the difference between thought becoming aware of itself and me becoming aware of thought? Is first one about being aware of thought arising without having a thought or comment about it and second one is me which is a thought commenting on last thought which had arisen!!?
And also the second question about consciencness , isn't it when consciencness aware of it's whole content so one is totally aware and watching that actually one is silent and there is no content but awareness in present time and the rest they are only thoughts!? How is looking something wholly! Isn't it watching without distance and separation?!
Thought can become aware of itself only when you are not and when you are not,thought is watching itself,sounds pretty insane but this is what i understand that k is insuinating
As long as one has bought into there being an "I" or "self", "me" etc. there is the dualistic. There is no self, there is only thought. Once the latter is perceived, the truth of this insight, the "aha" moment, there is no longer the illusion, and it is only thought being aware of itself...
No thought cannot be aware of itself.. because 'thought' has no awareness of it's own. Thought arises in awareness. There can be an awareness of thought.
For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Brockwood 1979 Q&A 2' either directly on TH-cam or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.
The unconsciousness manifesting itself (it is you (Az), yet, not aware of it, a priori actualization) vs. consciousness manifesting the unconsciousness (a posteriori), bringing your awareness in it. The common denominator would be the change (manifestation). The first one has the change as its cause, and involve change as its effect. The second one is pretty much the same, but here change is being brought to the consciousness. Actualized change of the unconsciousness. Here is your root for evolution - the change! While change happens, you are moving, evolving. You (Az) - being part of the Whole. Once you stop being part of the change, and there is no more You that perceives, there is only One - Whole. There is We (Us-Az) becoming the change (the Whole). For many more You's to come (and go). The subject and object Union.
The one who's really concerned about his audience!🤗🤗🤗
i feel this is the ultimate teaching by master k for us. everytime he asked this question, "whether it is possible or not for the conciousness to reveal it self at once" he always very energetic and really passionate
❤️ GRATITUDE ❤️
The affectionate invitation to pure observation.
Simply said...it's sheer brilliance...Thank you so much for this video
Thank you so much for posting these videos, KFoundation. They are fantastic.
I thinks if one can understand this video,than there is no need to understand other things.it is whole,but it wants maturity,wisdom to accept this.I am doing meditation from 25 years.i can understand what bliss is.but sometime i missed this point,as I become aware after the thought but when awareness remains in front of the thought then there is no any problem.I think this is nirvana.liberation etc.
Let me begin with the fact of consciousness being with the whole of its content at once and not bit by bit but as a whole As regards thought observing itself as it arises In both the cased the seminal fact is, observation without the observer In attention in the living present there is perception without the perceiver I This is pure perception There is no thinker without thought Only one thought assumes the authority of the thinker separating itself with self as the centre One who is free from thought only has true understanding what action is
You should learn the basics of meditation, you seem to be missing some basic elements.
This is 11y old video & you said that you are doing meditation from 25 yrs. Can you please inform, are you still doing meditation?
The most scientific yet simple and direct approach of life is give by J.K.
How passionate he is Marvellous talk😌 “ emotional shocks “ reveals everything in my case it’s painful and kind a madness but it’s a blessing in one way 😌😌😌🙌🙌the “I” became Joke now
All teaching contained in this one video..!
Can you tell me the difference between thought becoming aware of itself and me becoming aware of thought?
Is first one about being aware of thought arising without having a thought or comment about it and second one is me which is a thought commenting on last thought which had arisen!!?
Thought cannot become aware of itself. The thoughts can think it is thinking the thoughts but it is not so.
When a thought says: I was just thinking this or that, or I was aware of what I was thinking, *that is still just thought*. One has become so identified with thoughts that a person has developed from thought which actually doesn’t exist. This means that thought thinks it is thinking, or the thought thinks it’s someone thinking thoughts. But actually There is no thinker, only the thoughts in movement, Literally
When you can observe every thought without being identified with it in anyway you will be free from it completely. All your mental suffering will not exists.
Observe even the thoughts that say I like this or I want that, or I am sad, or I am stressed or I feel pain or I want enlightenment or I am scared. When you can observe even those thoughts, you will be looking at this person you thought and believed you were your whole life and will see that this person is nothing but a bundle of *thoughts*. They are just thoughts that’s all, NOT a person. That is real meditation. One that is not bound by even his own mind or his illusory self
You will be observing the thoughts without any reaction as all reactions come from thought and there is no (person to react) as you are literally watching that (person in the mind) saying i want freedom, i must rush, I don’t like that etc. You are observing all this which is called the i thought.
Try this right now while your reading this: say with your thoughts in your mind, I am me, I am sad, I am happy, I want money. You’ll see you are not the thoughts, you are what observed them.
You’ll see that awareness watches even the person thats thinking it is thinking
There is no good or bad thoughts. Simply they are just thoughts. We give them positive and negative charge with our beliefs
There is no (person) thinking. There is only thought itself. This illusion is the ego (the idea me) that is made up by thought and it comes from thinking that I am the body and mind
When there is no thought, there is no mind, and no me
You are what is aware of the body and thoughts. You are not the body, or any of the contents of the mind. You are not thoughts or the person that thought has made up. The true self is what observes all this drama happening
Just observe. Literally. But not from the mind. If you try to observe from the mind it will be just thought thinking it’s observing. Completely Observe with awareness the whole thought process
@@scottjolland7086 I appreciate your description of the process... It's helpful, although, for me, it is still so subtle, hard to really grasp...
@@scottjolland7086 you broke the matrix bro...
@@sidstar1001 it will take time but keep listening and you will get it...
Thank you K for all your words and thoughts
K, truly is the most sincere.
If one understand this, it's life changing. K is pointing at universal consciousness that is free of its content induced by memory. It's infinite, free, fearless, primordial life.
I know I’m a year late but I want to share something. As far as I can understand I can be free of all conditioning, illusions etc, while still being fully active and operating on the world. Just by understanding that the mind is not my deepest essence, I can be free even of my memory and knowledge.
Which knowledge is needed to apply, let’s say for my job/career, but while I’m free of it, it still re-emerges when it’s needed naturally. Right?
I wonder if I’m just overthinking now or I’m close to some insight 🤔
What a beautiful analysis by Shree K🙏. Blessed are we to be able to hear this man✌️
Compassion in wisdom, 2 wings of the bird to soaring to pathless land. Thanks K and friends.
I have an experience of what he is saying. Once I was empty from within and it was feeling very heavy from within. So I reached a point where silence was present and i sit there on grass and feeling the sunlight. It was a winter morning and the sunlight was making my heart very light and i found peace in there. While i was sitting for some moments there and looking or seeing the blue sky it was very good. Suddenly a thought arise in my mind from no where as it was like the sky give me the thought or said to me "tomorrow and day after tomorrow 2days there will be fog and after two days it will be a beautiful sunny day again". As this thought came to my mind my whole peace got disturbed. I stand up and was wondering from where such thought came in my mind, may i have became psychologically Ill or mad as how can I think such thing which is just as a kind of imagination. But my mood was off as how this thought came and destroyed my peacefulness. The day went and i wake up next morning and I was shocked because it was a very dense fog completely in contrast to the previous sunny day. Oh i thought it is just a coincidence and the day went off again. The same thing happened the next day was completely foggy morning again. It happened just as a coincidence maybe. But the day after these two foggy morning was a very fine bright sunny morning and there was a beautiful heat and warmth. Here I got shocked because it was not mere a coincidence or imagination what I had thought previously it was completely true. I feeling experience of life i had that day and till now I'm thinking about it from where that thought arose in my mind and i can completely understand what this highly educated old man jaddu Krishnamurthy sir is saying and why he is finding it not easy to explain. Thanks for this video of Krishnamurthy sir he is a good man.
This is intuition, deep feeling. Knowing without thinking
Thoughts are dead in themselves. Emptiness is pure. The "I" is empty. One cannot talk beyond that but be it. 🙏
There is either thought or its awareness, two cannot coexist, i.e., the thought dissolves as soon as there is awareness. Continous awareness is clarity
I am interested in that Mr. Krishnamurti!
Superb.
Early lessons in self knowing ! and going beyond the pettiness !
Right because in that thought also awareness involves,hence we get one with thought e.g. anger,desire feels real emotions which is awareness is both sides object thought and thinker me thought 🤔. This very Very deep
I do think that thinking being aware of itself is something that is not very easy to do,because it needs you and the brain to break the pattern without a pattern,to change without motive.For us motive ia everything,even the brain works from cause and effect,if you r leg is sitting weird,at some point the brain tellas your body to move,everything is cause and effect,every action has a motive,its pretty insane to do something that breaks the order of how things work,but i do like the challenge though
Aren't we above and seperat from our thoughts .our true self .thought comes from the brain but our true awareness is beyond that .
But we r thought...thought is not separate from ourself.
Even after decades of these teachings,
y people hovering All those satgurus, gurugis ,swamijis etc?
Yes, when thought becomes aware of itself, thought stops, it's dead, another dimension emerges, there is attention, complete silence, vast space. The opposite is not paying attention, being distracted. realizing that not paying attention is paying attention. There are only two states: thinking and not thinking (not paying attention and paying attention). When one exists, the other disappears. There is no single entity there to be aware of thought. What is aware of thought is the whole, the sacredness that lies within the human being, a part of the source, the sacredness of the entire universe. it is also the energy of life, of the universe. all is one, life and death are one.
Being consciously aware of a thought isn't the same as having a thought, it's a vague question because what type of thought are you having? I sometimes daydream and when I become aware of a thought in the daydream I'm aware, I'm no longer having the thought but I actually like when this happens and i will backtrack my thoughts sometimes i have jumped 5 or 6 thoughts back to the start and understand why I'm thinking of my childhood because my subconscious noticed a similarity from my memory or it can be another random experience, and I can backtrack my thoughts consciously successfully 90% of the time. But being in thought connects you to emotions and sensory stimuli You can even physically lose focus to what your physically looking at and you lose awareness, mentally which can be so deep in thought you lose local physicality to the thought.
So being consciously aware of a thought while having a thought is possible .but depending on how much energy and sensory stimuli is involved in the thought would delegate how much conscious awareness you have of it while in it.
Isnt being aware of the thought itself a thought? Or is there a diffrence between thought and awareness or awareness is itself a thought?
@@funkmaster101 awareness is observation without thought, it does not compare with petty bias, seperation etc, it simply observes the motion of psychological thought created by sense of self & the confusion it creates.
@@funkmaster101 I have this very same question!
@@funkmaster101 Awareness is attention, attention is not thought.
That's analyzation
Thought planted a feather and expected a fowl to grow. I'll be damned if I know what it means but my mom used to say it all the time if i neglected a chore and said that I 'thought' somebody else had done it. 🤣🤣🤣🙏🏽💜
J.K: do you follow ?
Me: YES YES I DO
J.K: No
Simple yet troublesome. I am still waiting for some magical thing to come out of this, I can see that, even though I know that is not really the point. If you understand it, then that is good.
@@Ram0nAlan waiting for a "magical thing" is a motive, the phsychological desire of ego. While you continue to seek a personal reward it is still thought as self satisfaction. You see it intellectuaiiy & it is the intellect that blinds you from the simplicity of awareness.
paul stuart I think a lot of people stumble on ego. They think it’s that thing that you can get rid of to be nicer. Like a smaller part of you. That’s sort of the western ego that still let’s us be an individual and proud. When K talks about ego he’s mentioned it as the entire thing in the skull. He literally means the “me”. The “I”. What we are, from the subconscious to the super ultra consciousness ideas we come up with is the ego. The me. That entire center.. that’s more or less what I’ve seen him mean by the ego. Subtle but radically different perspective. :)
@@Thegooob95 Then I got confused now... because I Thought higher levels of consciousness were a "different" thing from the LOWER ego!?... Am I getting it all mixed up?
@@Thegooob95 There is no objective ego in the brain; no spot of witch one can say: there it is! There is only thought as an objective proces that can be measured through various techniques, but the content of thought is imagination, which is illusion. Out of that imagination thought creates the ego as a set of identities with wich it identifies. If you're not aware of it, that illusion becomes reallity, because it gets manifest through your behavior and it materialises in the institutions that you create.
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Can there be awareness as there is thinking going on!... Brilliant!
Can there be whole observation of your wife? Not just face....whole quality of human being....That is possible only when there is abandonment of petty 'me'...!
Can there be awareness of jealousy as it arises?
Can there be awareness as soon as first word of a thought arises?
At last
There are only thoughts.
Thinker if sought continuously will vanish!
And thought comes first, then the thinker.
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How a dead thought can aware it self
Thought based on past. That is past time. Already dead memories/images are only in thought.. even language/ word also past memories.
Is this not the same as making a plan? That is to say: weighing options before taking an action?
Can someone tell me the difference between thought becoming aware of itself and me becoming aware of thought?
Is first one about being aware of thought arising without having a thought or comment about it and second one is me which is a thought commenting on last thought which had arisen!!?
And also the second question about consciencness , isn't it when consciencness aware of it's whole content so one is totally aware and watching that actually one is silent and there is no content but awareness in present time and the rest they are only thoughts!?
How is looking something wholly! Isn't it watching without distance and separation?!
Answering to this involves thought
Aha i guess i found answer to my first question ,seen it when meditating thoughts poping up kind of wholly and then come to the words of thinker
Thought can become aware of itself only when you are not and when you are not,thought is watching itself,sounds pretty insane but this is what i understand that k is insuinating
As long as one has bought into there being an "I" or "self", "me" etc. there is the dualistic. There is no self, there is only thought. Once the latter is perceived, the truth of this insight, the "aha" moment, there is no longer the illusion, and it is only thought being aware of itself...
Done
8.03 min . you will understand what he is saying
No thought cannot be aware of itself.. because 'thought' has no awareness of it's own. Thought arises in awareness. There can be an awareness of thought.
You also thought.
Can thought be aware of itself? Did anybody experience this?
Where to find full video?
For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Brockwood 1979 Q&A 2' either directly on TH-cam or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.
The unconsciousness manifesting itself (it is you (Az), yet, not aware of it, a priori actualization) vs. consciousness manifesting the unconsciousness (a posteriori), bringing your awareness in it.
The common denominator would be the change (manifestation).
The first one has the change as its cause, and involve change as its effect. The second one is pretty much the same, but here change is being brought to the consciousness. Actualized change of the unconsciousness.
Here is your root for evolution - the change!
While change happens, you are moving, evolving.
You (Az) - being part of the Whole.
Once you stop being part of the change, and there is no more You that perceives, there is only One - Whole. There is We (Us-Az) becoming the change (the Whole). For many more You's to come (and go).
The subject and object Union.
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there are no answers with this guy, only he asks more questions to answer questions.
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