Everyone seems to be MISSING the BIGGER picture here!! IF Lamar OR Josh don't stop K.C. from getting to the Super Bowl, it looks really bad for BOTH of them. By-the-way its going to look REALLY BAD for one of them. LAMAR IS THE ONLY, TWO TIME MVP OF THE LEAGUE WITHOUT A SUPER BOWL VICTORY!!!!
You realize MVP odds flipped and Josh Allen is now an overwhelming favorite again right? Vegas tends to know what they’re doing. They’re not gonna give people money for picking Lamar MVP.
@@danielthomas-x1jRodgers has 4 MVPs and played 20years and only managed 1 Super Bowl. People act like just being a great qb guarantees superbowls. News flash (Brady and mahomes are outliers)
why do they always try to conveniently neglect 18 interceptions last year? always saying better stats last year, blah blah? do int's don't matter any more? if so, make that the official narrative so everyone throws 'arm punts' left and right
@@eblsymk You guys are casual fans it’s obvious. Kurt Warner won the MVP award with 22 interceptions, Favre had 16 I think Peyton had 16 interceptions one MVP season of his too. It’s funny because Lamar has more turnovers this year than Allen but it never comes up. Go do some history and stop bringing up interceptions as the reason he didn’t win it last year.
When Jackson faced off against Mahomes, Kelce, Hill and Hunt and lost nobody said anything about Maholmes having a all star team. No they said Jackson cant get it done and questioned his ability. He gets a washed player at a devalued position (running back) all of a suddon he has a ton of help. It really is shameful to watch.
Lamar is obviously mvp. The Bills have more talent and did less statistics. Lamar did more with less spending. The only thing Allen did more is tush push touchdowns and dominate a weaker division a week sooner. Allen had a great season but a very weak mvp argument over Lamar, the schedule and statistics, making Bateman have better numbers than Cooper is the value.
Pete is so mad. Everyone loves to bring up the lions and chiefs win which are good. But 2nd easiest schedule is the second easiest schedule case closed
What in the make a wish video am I watching?? 🤣😂😂 I thought they were gona follow up the opening with a video narrated by Lamar but there’s clear bias I see lmao
Baltimore Ravens had a bunch of All Pros, and more than Buffalo, because they proved themselves with their tough schedule, and Lamar Jackson still have those numbers?! Josh Allen should be undefeated with that easy schedule. MVP case is clear!
@@SportsSkatinandStuff all these "why" and your point is? How many undefeated teams do we have in the NFL again? Exactly. It's hard and even the best has a few "L" and that's how it is.
It’s come to a point where Pete needs to be replaced. Dude’s game picks are terrible, has voter fatigue bias, and always seems to find some way to annoy the other panelists. FS1 did the right thing to move away from skip.
Funny how everyone let Leger make his case but he is interrupting them when they are making theirs.. Swap Allen for Lamar on their teams and Allen will still have more wins with the Ravens… if you have ever competed on any competitive level, you know how important it is to have great players vs average players..
Bro why are we still doing this the votes have been in for over a week now. I get it’s for the hype of the matchup but what’s the point in making cases it’s not like it impacts anything right now regardless if you’re a fan of Allen or Lamar nothing changes with this game or this discussion.
Yea but saquon just came to Philly and completely changed that team imo id give him the vote and they won the division got the 2nd seed chase got none of that.
@ you just named “team” accomplishments as if the eagles weren’t already a good running team in a “eh” division . Just saying chase was the 4th ever to accomplish at 27
That's a shame if Josh wins is the only reason is Voter fatigue. This is awful they both are amazing players and it just seems like all you are doing is trying to tear one of them down.
Something tells me the loudest folks hollering Jokic didn't deserve a third MVP without a championship are same ones saying Lamar should win his 3rd MVP right now. Obviously different sports/voters... but these two leagues have a very similar mindset regarding MVP
Josh is a great player but it’s just to bad that Lamar has had a better season I guess they can decide for sure Saturday night and do think the Ravens will win!🏆 Go Ravens!!
If Joe Burrow was 11-6 same people say Burrow mvp want bring up supporting cast people are hypercrits 😂😂😂Lamar Mvp not close 41td 4int 5k yards 1st player ever 4150 pass yards 900 rush yards Josh Allen Qb sneak 8td not brought up 2nd easiest schedule Lamar 7-3 vs winning teams 23td 3int not even close
At this point the MVP award has become a runners up acknowledgement and not a pivotal player award I say this since the chiefs qb has turned in a 15-2 record while having serve early mid season turmoil with injuries. And still shaded based off losing qb having losing records against the playoff supwrbowl champions
Every time the black dude and the guy in the grey suit talk about MVP it always seems like grey suit guy ends up getting mad because the black guy just be speaking on facts not emotion. We get it you want Josh Allen to win but stop pushing one narrative to fit your agenda and then change said narrative when they use it against you
They keep saying this cheat code shìt but Mahomes had the best tight end ever with the fastest wr to ever play the game lol and Andy Reid calling plays lol
Lamar have players around him. Allen didnt everything come on the shoulder of allens. People counted the bill out the play off already before the season started. So he deserve the MVP
I love the argument that Allen "played two less games" so let's not count what happens in those (while omitting that he DID start their week 18 game to keep a personal start record going but left after one handoff, that's a "starting pitcher" loss right there) but they're going to hold Justin Tucker single-leggedly losing two games against the Steelers and Eagles and the Ravens defense giving up a lead after Jackson went down and got one late 4th quarter vs the Raiders on his resume. 🙄 Also, stop acting like the Ravens didn't have a terrible defense the first 10 weeks of the season. They ranked DEAD LAST against the pass during that time but they went 7-3, largely because of Jackson. And speaking of that 32nd ranked pass defense, Allen already went up against it then and couldn't even crack 200 yards playing from behind and needing to pass, again for those in the back: against the 32nd ranked pass defense at the time.
I agree that either guy could have won it, lamar prob did. But the lamar supporters talk like his stats were so much better than allens that its not even close and thats simply not true. The argument is not to punish lamar for having derek henry, the argument is lamar had a better team around him, played an extra game plus many more snaps than josh and had only 4 more tds than him while losing more games. Both guys had historic seasons, not just lamar.
Yeah as a Lamar fan I can totally see ur point, there’s def a toxic narrative on both sides. You can appreciate both sides without devaluing what they did. It’s just that stat wise, I do believe that Lamar’s seasons is an all time one compared to Josh Allen. Lamar had 4,000 plus yards passing, 970 rushing and 45+ total touchdowns while posting an incredible accuracy stat and only 4 picks, in which all hit the hands of his receivers head on. His season is just something we haven’t seen ever before, Arod type passing with 4.3 speed. But definitely not to take away from Allen, that bro has been a monster when ppl thought he couldn’t do it w/o help. It’s just that utilizing the narrative that Lamar’s numbers shouldn’t be taken seriously due to Henry is a lackadaisical take that dosent take into account that bro was elite before and after Henry showed up, and how much effort he put into getting better
@@eyrramthegoat3322and not lamars fault really but I can't remember another historic qb season with 5 losses. Like those stats you have 3 losses max and that tightens the gap a little. Lamar gonna win tho and he prob deserves it
it simply IS true. more yards, more rush yrds, more td's, fewer interceptions....................... did you think before your fingers began typing? I would've had Saquon Barkley in the VS spot... not Allen. If Allen gets chosen for MVP, it will be a pity vote.
@ that game didn’t come down to three missed kicks. The only reason the score looks close is because Lamar padded his stats with :55 seconds left to get a touchdown. The Ravens were fumbling the ball, couldn’t stop the run at all. Hurts played well enough it’s not like the Ravens are unstoppable there is tape on how to beat them at their full strength. The Bills have only lost once at full strength against the Rams in a shootout. Bills score 30 on a bad day.
@@BrokenTablesPod wrong that game was lost by Tucker. Ravens dominated that game in every aspect. More yards, more 1st downs, more time of possession, less penalties. Eagles barely scored when given short fields due to Tuckers misses and ravens being forced to go for it on 4th and 8 from our own 40 because we were down 10 pts ( would have only been down 3 if Tucker made kicks and we could have punted) stop making up stuff and watch the game
“You’ve already given Lamar two , I thinks it’s his time” lol Joel Embiid award. Such nonsense 😂
Fr😭not there fault Lamar’s and jokic greatness is too good not fair to give it to someone else
Lamar is the MVP. Pete is mad that he got a vote but it didn't help Allen Win It.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everyone seems to be MISSING the BIGGER picture here!! IF Lamar OR Josh don't stop K.C. from getting to the Super Bowl, it looks really bad for BOTH of them.
By-the-way its going to look REALLY BAD for one of them. LAMAR IS THE ONLY, TWO TIME MVP OF THE LEAGUE WITHOUT A SUPER BOWL VICTORY!!!!
You realize MVP odds flipped and Josh Allen is now an overwhelming favorite again right? Vegas tends to know what they’re doing. They’re not gonna give people money for picking Lamar MVP.
@@danielthomas-x1jRodgers has 4 MVPs and played 20years and only managed 1 Super Bowl. People act like just being a great qb guarantees superbowls. News flash (Brady and mahomes are outliers)
Because he’s black
The guy was right. Josh Allen's MVP argument does suit Jayden Daniels more.
@@princenhliz93 Lamar’s argument suits Joe burrow more. Way better play this year.
@@SportsSkatinandStuff not with that record
@@SportsSkatinandStuff lamar was better than burrow...
@@SportsSkatinandStuffhow total stats are basically the same, yall throw Lamar rush stats out when yall argue for burrow lol
@@SportsSkatinandStuffburrows stats were inflated. Lamar was wayy more efficient. He threw the ball 40 times a game!
Bruce Willis in the corner brought up last years numbers n somehow forgets to mention how Josh threw 18+ interceptions. The medias favorite QB😂
5000 total yards!
4,100 and 900
45tds
4 best Qb rating EVER!!
That’s got to win the MVP
2nd best qb rating not 4th
@@treykennon1795no he was 4th how about googling before trying to correct someone
Pete is CRAZY! Allen threw the ball more but has less yards
They don't want Lamar have 3 Mvps they given Peyton all Mvp
Stats tell the Story, Lamar 7-3 against this year's playoff teams, Allen 2-3
The ravens had the worst defense for 10 weeks
People forget about ts bruh
why do they always try to conveniently neglect 18 interceptions last year? always saying better stats last year, blah blah? do int's don't matter any more? if so, make that the official narrative so everyone throws 'arm punts' left and right
Arm Punts😂😂😂 Cant believe they said that nonsense.
@@eblsymk You guys are casual fans it’s obvious. Kurt Warner won the MVP award with 22 interceptions, Favre had 16 I think Peyton had 16 interceptions one MVP season of his too. It’s funny because Lamar has more turnovers this year than Allen but it never comes up. Go do some history and stop bringing up interceptions as the reason he didn’t win it last year.
Pete is soo butt hurt 😂
Sunday Night
MV3 vs MVPitty
When Jackson faced off against Mahomes, Kelce, Hill and Hunt and lost nobody said anything about Maholmes having a all star team. No they said Jackson cant get it done and questioned his ability. He gets a washed player at a devalued position (running back) all of a suddon he has a ton of help. It really is shameful to watch.
Lamar is obviously mvp. The Bills have more talent and did less statistics. Lamar did more with less spending. The only thing Allen did more is tush push touchdowns and dominate a weaker division a week sooner.
Allen had a great season but a very weak mvp argument over Lamar, the schedule and statistics, making Bateman have better numbers than Cooper is the value.
Pete is so mad. Everyone loves to bring up the lions and chiefs win which are good. But 2nd easiest schedule is the second easiest schedule case closed
What in the make a wish video am I watching?? 🤣😂😂
I thought they were gona follow up the opening with a video narrated by Lamar but there’s clear bias I see lmao
Same CBS with arm punt tweet about Allen’s INT and has tweet after tweet on social media being PR Machine for Josh Allen.
They want josh allen to be the great white hope so bad😂
@@Cruckavens777😭🤣this funny asl bruh, and it’s FAX
the highlight of josh’s career is being compared to lamar
CBS Sports…. Where is the Lamar tribute??? Why was that cut from this video but Allen’s wasn’t?
Cuz, there trying to represent the white wonder boy Josh Allen
Baltimore Ravens had a bunch of All Pros, and more than Buffalo, because they proved themselves with their tough schedule, and Lamar Jackson still have those numbers?!
Josh Allen should be undefeated with that easy schedule. MVP case is clear!
Mic drop🎤
Why couldn’t Lamar beat the raiders? Why did Lamar lose more than Josh? Why couldn’t Lamar beat the chiefs?
@@SportsSkatinandStuff all these "why" and your point is? How many undefeated teams do we have in the NFL again? Exactly. It's hard and even the best has a few "L" and that's how it is.
@ so… you just said…. The bills had to be undefeated. The raiders ARE an easy schedule dude, sorry bout it
@ The Bengals lost to the Patriots it’s the NFL anybody can be beat
The Josh Allen glazing across here is crazy work…
It’s come to a point where Pete needs to be replaced. Dude’s game picks are terrible, has voter fatigue bias, and always seems to find some way to annoy the other panelists. FS1 did the right thing to move away from skip.
Let it go CBS. They vote has already taken place.
Funny how everyone let Leger make his case but he is interrupting them when they are making theirs.. Swap Allen for Lamar on their teams and Allen will still have more wins with the Ravens… if you have ever competed on any competitive level, you know how important it is to have great players vs average players..
Bro why are we still doing this the votes have been in for over a week now. I get it’s for the hype of the matchup but what’s the point in making cases it’s not like it impacts anything right now regardless if you’re a fan of Allen or Lamar nothing changes with this game or this discussion.
That discussion all year is what makes this game so great. Why wouldn’t they continue it
Someone that doesn't want to reveal his vote, Pete is capping hard for Allen. 😂😂😂😂
Should be saquan honestly and I’m not a eagles fan but it’s a qb award.
Lamar will win it
If they would have let shaq play that last game to beat Dickerson record, then I believe it should have been between him and lamar
What Jamar chase did was more impressive than saquon
Yea but saquon just came to Philly and completely changed that team imo id give him the vote and they won the division got the 2nd seed chase got none of that.
@ you just named “team” accomplishments as if the eagles weren’t already a good running team in a “eh” division . Just saying chase was the 4th ever to accomplish at 27
@ you make a good point you also sound biased you a bengals fan 😂
Huge case for both player's. But as a debate, the group who waited their turn and didn't interrupt won
"More with less"
That argument is trash
Lamar Jackson is the GOAT 🐐
Goat of what? Not football bro
Stats don’t matter in mvp????? Whaaaat
Lamar jackson easily
lol this is funny they doing everything they can to give justify snubbing Lamar Jackson for mvp it’s not even close
these dudes stat tryin to make excuses for Allen.. it is insane
That's a shame if Josh wins is the only reason is Voter fatigue. This is awful they both are amazing players and it just seems like all you are doing is trying to tear one of them down.
Two old white man against a young Black man and young white man. Means speaking different languages
Only racists revert to race as their first point of argument young blood
can we leave race out of it??? can we say two old guys vs two young guys??????
These are really good conversations
I didnt know the cowboys had the same record as the ravens last year? This guy pete is losing it😂😂
Only espn think it’s a debate
Josh Allen not Mvp Qb sneak mvp voter fatigue is sickness
Something tells me the loudest folks hollering Jokic didn't deserve a third MVP without a championship are same ones saying Lamar should win his 3rd MVP right now. Obviously different sports/voters... but these two leagues have a very similar mindset regarding MVP
LJ8 = MV3 🔥🤷🏾♂️ I gotta ride with my QB
And slavery 😂
Josh is a great player but it’s just to bad that Lamar has had a better season I guess they can decide for sure Saturday night and do think the Ravens will win!🏆 Go Ravens!!
If Joe Burrow was 11-6 same people say Burrow mvp want bring up supporting cast people are hypercrits 😂😂😂Lamar Mvp not close 41td 4int 5k yards 1st player ever 4150 pass yards 900 rush yards Josh Allen Qb sneak 8td not brought up 2nd easiest schedule Lamar 7-3 vs winning teams 23td 3int not even close
At this point the MVP award has become a runners up acknowledgement and not a pivotal player award I say this since the chiefs qb has turned in a 15-2 record while having serve early mid season turmoil with injuries. And still shaded based off losing qb having losing records against the playoff supwrbowl champions
Every time the black dude and the guy in the grey suit talk about MVP it always seems like grey suit guy ends up getting mad because the black guy just be speaking on facts not emotion. We get it you want Josh Allen to win but stop pushing one narrative to fit your agenda and then change said narrative when they use it against you
They keep saying this cheat code shìt but Mahomes had the best tight end ever with the fastest wr to ever play the game lol and Andy Reid calling plays lol
i can say this josh allen and Lamar both amazing qb. When is comes down to playoffs Allen on top bills when 35 to 31 go bills
MVP MV3 🎯💪💯
Why does Josh Allen have a cover story in this vid but not Lamar??
L also broke the all time rushing yards for a QB
Lamar is light years better than this man. Stop it ☠️☠️☠️☠️
Jayden daneliel is an MVP prove me wrong?
Baseball is really the greatest team sport or maybe soccer but not football. It’s like number 3
Imagine dak being mvp over Lamar 😂😂😂
Lamar...no comparison
Lamar mvp .💯☝🏾
I can see it now.
Josh Allen will be getting ready to play in the Super Bowl while Lamar wins his 3rd MVP.
Josh Allen 0 stars know Mvp candidate thats amazing
lamars only first all pro teammate was his fullback you dumb fuck. besides derrich henry, tthe ravens offense has the same skill level as the bills.
He has a point with j Daniels lol
🐦⬛🐦⬛🐦⬛🐦⬛💯 gooooo
Lamar have players around him. Allen didnt everything come on the shoulder of allens. People counted the bill out the play off already before the season started. So he deserve the MVP
Josh Allen is white
I love the argument that Allen "played two less games" so let's not count what happens in those (while omitting that he DID start their week 18 game to keep a personal start record going but left after one handoff, that's a "starting pitcher" loss right there) but they're going to hold Justin Tucker single-leggedly losing two games against the Steelers and Eagles and the Ravens defense giving up a lead after Jackson went down and got one late 4th quarter vs the Raiders on his resume. 🙄
Also, stop acting like the Ravens didn't have a terrible defense the first 10 weeks of the season. They ranked DEAD LAST against the pass during that time but they went 7-3, largely because of Jackson. And speaking of that 32nd ranked pass defense, Allen already went up against it then and couldn't even crack 200 yards playing from behind and needing to pass, again for those in the back: against the 32nd ranked pass defense at the time.
Lamar MvP
Buffalo win
Lamar award was a joke last year, Allen is the MVP
I agree that either guy could have won it, lamar prob did. But the lamar supporters talk like his stats were so much better than allens that its not even close and thats simply not true. The argument is not to punish lamar for having derek henry, the argument is lamar had a better team around him, played an extra game plus many more snaps than josh and had only 4 more tds than him while losing more games. Both guys had historic seasons, not just lamar.
Yeah as a Lamar fan I can totally see ur point, there’s def a toxic narrative on both sides. You can appreciate both sides without devaluing what they did. It’s just that stat wise, I do believe that Lamar’s seasons is an all time one compared to Josh Allen. Lamar had 4,000 plus yards passing, 970 rushing and 45+ total touchdowns while posting an incredible accuracy stat and only 4 picks, in which all hit the hands of his receivers head on. His season is just something we haven’t seen ever before, Arod type passing with 4.3 speed. But definitely not to take away from Allen, that bro has been a monster when ppl thought he couldn’t do it w/o help. It’s just that utilizing the narrative that Lamar’s numbers shouldn’t be taken seriously due to Henry is a lackadaisical take that dosent take into account that bro was elite before and after Henry showed up, and how much effort he put into getting better
But anyway enough glaze from me 😭
@@eyrramthegoat3322and not lamars fault really but I can't remember another historic qb season with 5 losses. Like those stats you have 3 losses max and that tightens the gap a little. Lamar gonna win tho and he prob deserves it
it simply IS true. more yards, more rush yrds, more td's, fewer interceptions....................... did you think before your fingers began typing? I would've had Saquon Barkley in the VS spot... not Allen. If Allen gets chosen for MVP, it will be a pity vote.
Same way the eagles 🦅 beat the Ravens we will beat them. 24-16 Go Bills 🦬
It's going to backfire. if you're paying attention look how Lamar is playing because he's also running the ball now. 🤔
So you’re hoping our kicker misses 3 kicks?
@ that game didn’t come down to three missed kicks. The only reason the score looks close is because Lamar padded his stats with :55 seconds left to get a touchdown. The Ravens were fumbling the ball, couldn’t stop the run at all. Hurts played well enough it’s not like the Ravens are unstoppable there is tape on how to beat them at their full strength. The Bills have only lost once at full strength against the Rams in a shootout. Bills score 30 on a bad day.
@@BrokenTablesPod wrong that game was lost by Tucker. Ravens dominated that game in every aspect. More yards, more 1st downs, more time of possession, less penalties. Eagles barely scored when given short fields due to Tuckers misses and ravens being forced to go for it on 4th and 8 from our own 40 because we were down 10 pts ( would have only been down 3 if Tucker made kicks and we could have punted) stop making up stuff and watch the game
@@BrokenTablesPod you really said hurts played well enough.
His stats were 11/19 for 118 yds and 1td. They barely had 200 yds of total offense
Josh beat Lamar head2head last year but didn’t matter then
Fake news, They didn’t play last year.
These bots have gotten pathetic 😂
@@TUTUMAH hahah big fan? They played early regular season in Baltimore, Bills were down 20-3. Josh led them back to a 23-20 W
The Bills are nothing without Allen. MVP 😊
Love the black racists
A buffalo bills fan bringing up race😂
@@Dummodie crazy 🤪 😂😂. Be the same one talking about reverse racism, while accusing ppl of a victim mindset.
josh Allen mvp
Allen for mvp. Lamar a choke artist who throws
Does this black guy only pick black players ?
Twice😂
It's funny because yall say nothing when the white guy does it 😂
Bruce Willis in the corner brought up last years numbers n somehow forgets to mention how Josh threw 18+ interceptions. The medias favorite QB😂