The road were the group got pulled over has very little traffic. It was a back road and it was probably around 7 in the evening. The cop thought he was going to inform yall on how to be safe like everyone is a child. You don't have to ride single file and no one should have said that they would because it's less safe when cars are passing. Most motorist have no idea and in this case the cop didn't either. We deal with ignorant people all the time in the Senoia area but its still a great place to ride. If you live anywhere in the area the Senoia Tuesday ride is a must. Not just for the faster cyclist, there are 4 groups for riders with different levels of ability and experience.
The smart thing is to just say "yessir" to the cop and let him talk while nodding your head. Then after he disappears you go back to what you were doing out there. Trying to "discuss" rules of the road at that time is a waste because it resolves nothing and the cop gets PO'd at you. Nobody needs that.
In most states (I believe all), you are allowed to ride two abreast like motorcycles. Recording the officers pulling you over & then a polite letter to his supervisors regarding location, time of day, minimal traffic, healthy lifestyle activity & legal activity that he interrupted without him receiving a request/complaint (if that in fact was the case) is very effective & educational for that type of officer. Personally (as a passionate, fastish paced old dude cyclist) I do not appreciate the groups that run stop signs & lights when other motorists are present. A single Mom working two jobs trying to make ends meet & running late to get her Son to practice on time...& 20 riders staring at her with an "Ya, I'm rudely running this intersection, what are you gonna do about it" look ?? C'mon guys, gives us a bad rep.
Actually, in most states you can ride 2 abreast, BUT you have to stay as close as is safe to the right side of the roadway. I ride in group rides like this and when the blood gets flowing, following the law is usually forgotten. This has created a lot of friction between motorists and cyclists. Common sense needs to prevail, or you will get heavily enforced by law enforcement. But no, the cop wasn't completely wrong.
that is actually what the laws are. they are supposed to obey all traffic laws that cars do, and that does not include side by side driving. how much traffic is on a road does not make people immune to laws.having to pass big groups and side by side is more dangerous.
I was an LAPD Cop, who used to follow Group rides to provide them with safety, while I had them take the whole lane…. In CA cyclists can take a lane…. I would also shut down an intersection, and allow the entire group to remain together (sometimes hundreds of cyclists)….. Those was for, in my professional opinion, the safety of the cyclists, and to allow them to get through lights where half the pack got through, then halfway through the pack rolling, the light turned red,….. Public safety and true community Policing…..Velo Club La Grange and Big Orange in LA and South Bay know!…… NO Officer out in the less busy country roads should be sweating cyclists for bs…….. Provide some “Community Policing”…..NOT cite people on bikes trying to enjoy themselves and stay in shape. Police Officers have the ability to use the letter of the law for egregious and legitimately unsafe driving, or….the spirit of the law. Common sense should be applied! Watching this video , I would have allowed the pace line to continue, and provided them a a little added safety while following. A few minutes of slower driving on a back road isn’t to much to ask of drivers. IMHO
People want us to get out the way and act like we slow them down, but they forget that every traffic jam, stoplight, stop sign, etc is because other cars are in the way of them.
On county road stop sign, lights, traffic jams are few and far inbetween... Most of the road in the video are double solid yellow line, it's a hard road to pass on even in a passing zone.. The should be single file and as far right as safely possible.
I had a cop pull me over once to tell me I was impeding traffic. I was on a country road with very few cars. I asked him where he thought I should ride, in the ditch? I informed him that a bicycle is a vehicle and, unless the road is otherwise marked, I can use the whole lane if I want. I then had to inform him that faster moving vehicles have to slow down and pass me when it's safe to do so. Anyhow, he had no answer for any of it, he was just a moron who didn't know the laws he's supposed to enforce. I have nothing against cops, but I can't stand stupid people.
Thats when i go fog horn leg horn. Naw, naw, your doing it all wrong son. Yous see what you need to do is (whispers) pspspspspspspspspsp. Now thats how you do it see.
@@honestreviewer3283 on the off chance it ever comes up again, most state statutes relating to impeding traffic require it be an intentional act. Operating a slow moving vehicle as fast as it reasonably goes cannot ever be impeding traffic by law. A bike only goes so fast. The police cannot demand you operate it at a speed that it is physically not able to go in order to please car drivers.
You were lucky I think. Knowing the law and not having a belligerent bully who does not care to listen, (DNGF) are two different things. I have seen enough videos of the US and dealt with enough plods in Australia to know that on the spot they can hurt you.
@@Thezuule1 Thanks. Yeah, this happened in Canada actually, but the road laws are essentially the same. I was a military officer at the time and I reported him to his captain.
Cops just be making shit up to get their way. It's literally the only reason I'm glad there are cameras everywhere. Great vid! Y'all handled that a lot more respectfully than I would have.
I've ridden all over the USA and that cop 100% embodies the typical Southern anti-cyclist attitude, "Outta my way the road is made for cars and I'm going to starve if I don't get to McDonald's in the next 2 minutes!"
I live/ride in Alabama & Mississippi, and you're 100% right. The attitude down here is very anti-cyclist; it's often viewed as a "sissy sport" or "kids sport." I've had one guy tell me, "If man was meant to ride a bicycle, why did he invent a motor?" This guy is an avid deer hunter, so of course, we could apply his logic to hunting: if man was meant to use a bow for hunting, why did he invent the rifle? But as you say, the most common view - particularly from needle-d**ks in big lumbering trucks - is that they own the road and I should get out their way. Even the cops here are so unfamiliar with the traffic laws that they're unaware that bicycles are legal vehicles.
Not just the south, Michigan in my opinion is much worse. We’ve been “pulled over” several times. Now i live in Florida where I can ride all year round. Worry more about the distracted drivers than the police.
Wish it was just the South but to be honest I've have two homes One in Atlanta and one in Boulder Colorado. On several of our big giant rides in the South we've had police officers escort us as described by the awesome police officer's comments above. In Boulder and Denver and in the mountains even we've had police officers mostly the CSP give us hard times consistently over the years. They've pretty much broken down big group rides unless they have an official event that has been signed off on. Sadly this is still going on today. I'm actually able to ride more big group rides in Atlanta than I am in Denver and Boulder because of this.
_"If someone hits you, that's on you."_ Well, no officer...that's on YOU - the law - because the person will have committed involuntary manslaughter because they weren't paying attention to the road.
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nope. cop is right> if you cross a double yellow...car or BIKE....you are at fault. period. so that is what he means: if you are on a bike, and you cross the double yellow, adn you get hit? that's YOUR fault.
The cop wasn't referring to them crossing a double yellow, he was referring to them riding two or three wide in their own lane. Unless you live in an area where cycling is popular, most motorists and cops are unaware that bicycles are legal vehicles, not kiddie toys intended for parking lots or cul-de-sacs.
Pay attention - the cop wasn't referring to crossing the the double yellow, period. We can ride a double pace line AND take up the entire lane if needed and this is lawful ALL states - period x2. Thanks for pointing out the obvious but you are missing the entire point of the cops stop, period x3. It would've been difficult for me to hold back and not correct this cop who definitely didn't know the traffic laws. But I give praise to this group for being mild-mannered - but if this cop stops them again he might go off until he is reminded of the actual law, period x4.
I had something similar happen when I got pulled over. The biggest problem in America (both with cops and motorists) is that neither are taught that bicycles are street legal vehicles, so per traffic codes they are to be treated as such. The cop that stopped me literally said, _"I can't have you riding out here on the streets because you're going to get hit."_ I told him bikes were street legal vehicles and we parted ways. Also, contrary to what motorists WANT us to do - it is ILLEGAL to ride a bicycle on sidewalks (though I wouldn't want to ride my road bike there anyway).
@@TransRights6969 *_Cars have a undefeated record vs cyclist if you are not aware!_* Physically, yes. Lawfully? No. Plenty of cases where cyclists have been hit and the motorist has lost their ass in lawsuits. According to the law, if you hit a cyclist (and they weren't running a red light, stop sign, etc), then the court is going to interpret that no differently than if you'd hit a CAR. Bicycles are legal vehicles, you hit another vehicle. So while you may feel dominant because your "vehicle" is bigger, it's still involuntary manslaughter.
I wouldn't say all cops use the same mentality. Here in some of the farm lands of central Texas we have (2) specific cops that patrol the areas when they know that we're doing our own spicy laps. They do it to actually protect us, to slow down other traffic and let them know that there are cyclists on the road. Super friendly cop, always happy to see us, and we're even happier to see him and his partner. Great video, and great kit! Heavy Pedal!
2 things: 1. I have never heard of a cop pulling over cyclists for riding in a double pace line. I never ride as far to the right as possible, because it invites cars to pass me unsafely. I ride where the right side tires of cars would be, and this pretty much forces cars to change lanes to pass. Also, double pace lines make the group smaller and takes less time for cars to pass. That whole thing just bothers me. That cop needs to enforce unsafe passing of cars and not hassle people out getting healthy and not bothering anyone. And number 2, if it's within your budget, an Insta 360 mounted below your Garmin would make for some great videos and you wouldn't have to hold anything in your mouth. Plus, we would be able to see in front of and behind you. Just a thought. Be safe and watch out for uncool cops.
Everything you say would be cool if the cycling groups are small. Large groups are not necessary and are an impediment to smooth flow on the roads. Just because they want to think that they are riding the Tour de France?
@@jimwing.2178 Spoken like someone who couldn’t ride a bike 5 miles if his life depended on it. It’s obvious you know nothing about cycling, so what are you doing here?
@@shepshape2585 You don't know me so what's with the ad hominem attack? Makes you sound like an arrogant ass - true to the stereotype that the lycra set has garnered. I know about the culture that you roadies dwell in. Nowhere within your clique is courtesy to other people considered. Do you consider riding in smaller groups so that motorists can safely get by you? Do you ever slow down to allow a motorist to pass? I've never seen it, either from my car, or from my bike within group road ride. That is why I ride alone or just one other person.
@@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte I wouldn’t bet any money that he was bored. Person with pull complains to mayor, mayor then pressures chief, chief pressures command staff and that pressure is passed on to the street cops.
@@Slowjo1221 cops, who sit behind a windshield 97% of their career, are totally capable of acting with the perspective of someone who sits behind a windshield 97% of their time at work. No ‘complaint’ necessary.
Police officers, deputies etc. must have at least a bachelor degree in...something. Chiefs, sheriffs, captains, a masters. Far too many peace officers are poorly educated, functionally illiterate, communication deficient idiots. They bring shame and cast aspersion upon the fine officers. Officers must be professionals , and then of course, be paid accordingly.
Right, what are we? Motor vehicles or pedestrians?! This line is blurred many times while we are out riding. I was stopped for taking up a single lane in my neighborhood because there was all kinds of debris on the right side of the road. I have to request a supervisor before being released and hope this newbie cop learns the law.
@@morrimohr5759 so silly! Glad you “got let go” haha… the cop that pulled me over actually pulled his dang car up onto the sidewalk to tell me “I could give you a ticket for riding on the sidewalk” hahahaha
I got pulled over by a cop once. I was a single rider and was following a mini van through a beach community with a 25 mph speed limit, I was doing around 28, the van would have been going over 30. The cop pulled me over, let the van go. I was like dude, WTF.... when he asked me for id, I said I did not have any on me, I did, but again, WTF. He started to get antsy, but right about then, his sergeant pulled up, was like WTF, told me to leave, and when I came to the stop sign about 45 ft later, I looked back and the sergeant was ripping him for harassing me. I guess the home owner of the house I stopped in front of, call the police line saying one of their cops was having an animated discussing with someone he pulled over, never mentioning it was a cyclist. The sergeant was in the area, so said he was wonder over. Completely threw off my vibe, I was having a great leg day.
Never had any issues like that here in California. They’ll usually wave at us or say hi. Different mentality here. I lived in the south tho. I honestly am not surprised by his attitude
Cyclist typically take up a very small fraction of lane width. Even a pace line can take up less than 1/2 a lane. Most drivers are selfish lane hogs. They Can’t stand to lose a few seconds waiting to pass a cyclist or two.
Passing a cyclist or two is not an issue for anybody. Following a 1/4-mile-long string of cyclists on a winding road is infuriating. Cyclists should be more considerate and ride in small groups. They should also extend the courtesy to slowing down when cars have an opportunity to pass.
You should add stats (speed, power, etc) on the screen during the ride. It makes it more interesting like we're sharing the 'pain', I usually gravitate towards those videos. Keep up the great work!
Its their lane, the cop is a donut. He could probably get them for not riding to the side, thats about it. Not sure how much that ticket would cost. Thats the hazard of racing... someone wanted to take a faster line, someone else wanted to no concede the advantage, next thing everyone is pushing off the right side joining in.
@@brandonhoffman4712 he can't do that even, according to Georgia law there is an exception if the roadway is too narrow to share with motor vehicles. Which it is.
@@Reulonfr ya, same in CA. I dont get what you are getting @, I am under the same impression as you on this matter of taking the lane. But I'm not certain what you mean he cant do as you didnt specify what he cant do.
‘Check Engine light’ 😂 I’ve been there man! I rode a century in April with a faaaast group of like 18-20 guys averaging 23 after 80 miles. One of my friends decided to attack the front and the pace went up to 28-30 and that’s when I cracked and fell off the back. Solid fun ride though. Fastest century in the books!
Real irony here,back in the 1880's,and 1890's,the League of American Wheelman,were pushing for paving roads! And the other outfits,for paving roads,were the Streetcar companies,and prior horse car operators,who were required by franchise to pave their right-of-ways,which didn't benefit the transit passengers at all! Bit of overlooked history,and there was a book on Alanta's transit put out by Interurbans Press,might be useful! Thank you for the forum! Thank you 😇 😊!
I have no idea what the laws are on this in Georgia, but in Norway where I'm from, the recommendation is to ride in two lines on group rides, in order to shorten the take over as much as possible. More than two, and the lines disintegrate to a bunch, which carries its own dangers, but single file is not recommended.
Nice video! I remember when I used to be fast but I'm older and slower now (still have my moments out there but they're fewer, LOL). Looks like a great group to ride with and get your heart rate on.
Gotta see some all white and blue activity from mistafrozonedadon in october. So good to see you in an environment where you can consistently push yourself into growth and perseverance man keep going man !
lol "check engine light came on...." I have always felt that when a large group of cyclists, ie more than ~10, is riding it is best to bunch up and not string out single file, thus passing cars go completely into the L lane and pass more easily when the group is bunched in 20-40 yds of road versus strung out over 100-150 yds.
Hey, averaging nearly 24 mph is no joke. Don't feel bad about getting dropped. Even on my best day I could only average 21-22 although in group rides I might be able to hang with a faster group like this one. Nice vid. Thanks for sharing.
I grew up there! I rode those roads back in the early 90s. There were hardly any cars, and even fewer cops around. What cops there were I was probably related to.
I got stopped by a USAF Security Police back in the 80's. I was in uniform, riding home from work. I was so happy at the thought of getting a speeding ticket on my bike. SP walks up to my bike and asked me, Do you know why I pulled you over? I tolded him, very honestly, I have no idea why you pulled over. He said, you were going too fast. I literally laughed and pointed out the speed limit was 40 and I was probably riding around 20mph. He says, well it looked like you were going too fast. I said, on this bike, in this uniform, with these scrawny legs that is virtually impossible! He then says, well you should probably have a light on you bike. I asked, is there a "probably" law that states that? He finally gave up and walked back to his cruiser. He proceeded to follow me all the way to the main gate until I exited the base. Moral of the story, cops might be trying to do the right thing but don't always handle the situation the right way.
good story, when a cop asks you if you know why they have pulled you over you should answer ,'how can i help you officer?'. Safer to say that from a legal POV
omg Senoia!!! My cousin lives there and I have ridden these roads on my Surly Disc Trucker (I'm a touring cyclist, not one of those fast-cats on their beautiful road cycles). Absolutely love seeing so many riders going through the roads of Senoia and that area of Georgia.
Cyclists here in Australia can legally ride two a breast on a road but not 3. Cars also have to give a minimum buffer when passing of 1.5 meters or 5 feet.
In my state if there is not a bike lane, cyclists get the entire right lane, and cars must go around them when safe. Single file makes no difference, as long as you are in your bike lane or right auto lane.
There appeared to be a few wild riders out there, def some ppl getting close to crossing the yellow lines. At least you guys owned up to it and kept it moving safely.
I find it curious that if a group of cyclists gets anywhere near the center line, it's cause for a traffic stop, but motorists regularly drive like they're in a Mad Max film and no one thinks the less of it.
The law (at least here in CA) stipulates cyclists must ride as far to the right as they can. Which implies "safley can" as saftey is always implied with laws. Technically a cop could pull over a cyclist for taking the middle of a lane if there wasnt a reason for it. On 2 lane roads, motor vehicles are allowed to cross a broken yellow into oncoming traffic in order to pass. Im sure it feels a bit mad max, but it is legal. There is no law in California requiring riders to ride single file. If a bike needs to pass another it may freely do so in the road. I dont know what the cop in this video is talking about with single file, sounds like BS. But he does have them riding too far from the right without reason. Which is reason enough for the cyclists to try and appeal to the officers good side. If he wants he can take his time writing tickets.
@@brandonhoffman4712 *_On 2 lane roads, motor vehicles are allowed to cross a broken yellow into oncoming traffic in order to pass. Im sure it feels a bit mad max, but it is legal._* Yes, it's legal because bicycles are considered legal vehicles, so they are to be treated as such. All traffic laws that apply to cars also apply to bikes...though here in Alabama where the roads are twisty & hilly, people pass me on double yellows all the time. I honestly don't mind as long as they slow down and move over at least 3 feet; most people will take the entire oncoming lane to be safe...while others are just dicks and don't move over at all. I usually ride solo, so I stick to the far right for the most part except on rapid descents where I'm tucked into the aero position; the bike gets a little wobbly around 35 MPH so I move into the middle of my lane to allow a little extra breathing room to my right.
@sixstanger00 here's googles AI overview for you. I see nothing stating crossing double yellow lines is okay. California has several laws that apply to cyclists, including those that require them to follow traffic rules, and those that give them rights on the road: Traffic rules Bicyclists must follow the same traffic rules as other vehicles, including stopping at stop signs and red lights, signaling when turning, and riding in the same direction as traffic. They must also yield the right of way to drivers at intersections and driveways, and allow drivers to cross in marked crosswalks. However, in many situations, bicyclists have the right of way over drivers. Riding on the road Bicyclists can ride in the traffic lane if they're going as fast as traffic, but if they're going slower, they should ride as close to the right curb as possible. They can also ride two abreast when riding with traffic, but some say they can also ride two abreast when they can't keep up and have to ride to the right. Passing Bicyclists should exercise caution when passing vehicles that are stopped or going in the same direction. Motorists must pass bicyclists at a distance of at least three feet and not interfere with their safe operation. Helmets Minors under 18 are required to wear a properly fitted and fastened helmet that meets the standards of the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM). While adults aren't required to wear helmets, they are strongly encouraged to do so, especially on roads with few bike lanes. Bike lanes Motor vehicles are not allowed to drive in designated bike lanes, which are marked by solid white lines, signage, and pavement markings. The purpose of this law is to protect cyclists by giving them a separate space on the road.
If y'all are in a single file line, it will cause a car to have to be in oncoming traffic lane twice as long as if you were double file (a single line of 20 riders is twice as long as 2 lines of 10). Georgia State law says that drivers are to give cyclists 3 feet and a cyclist is entitled to the entire lane. It took me 5 minutes look it up. Just have the Georgia driver's manual pulled up on your phone if this happens often.
@@Mistadonthecyclist unless someone challenges this police officer on it they're just going to keep doing this. Eventually someone will be cited for it and the judge will toss it out at which point it's grounds for a lawsuit and corrective action.
Texas Code 551.103c states that cyclists can ride two abreast and that there is no distance requirement to the "shoulder". As a matter of fact, cyclists can use the whole lane if they choose to do so for safety reasons. Tired of cops being ignorant of laws they try to enforce without even knowing what those laws actually state.
Public easements are the only legal way to get somewhere and we should be safe from harm from others. No one should be granted immunity from causing harm to non motorized vehicle persons.
but these guys arent going anywhere. they are just riding their bikes for enjoyment....while putting their life at risk and others. if they were traveling for food/work it'd make sense. should have a permit to ride a vehicle of any sort on a roadway. and you shouldnt get a permit just to get on the road for funsies.
@@andicus3453wouldn't need all that if the only viable form of transportation didn't cause so many deaths. I hope you are heavily invested in the auto industry with this amount of simping if not you're just brain broken.
@@andicus3453 wait what? you think that should matter about freedom to move about without being killed by a motorized vehicle? you have given an example of Car Culture mentality
@@andicus3453 so nobody should ever be allowed to drive a car unless they're going shopping or to and from work? You can't like drive your car to your vacation because that wouldn't make sense. Driving to the beach or to a movie theater just doesn't make sense. You aren't allowed to use the road for your personal enjoyment! Good grief...
GA Code 40-6-294 (c) - Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than two abreast except on bicycle paths, bicycle lanes, or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles, or when a special event permit issued by a local governing authority permits riding more than two abreast. But of course if someone had challenged him on that they’d have wound up in that back of that cruiser🤦🏼♂️ Also, awesome content - subscribed!
Thanks for sharing this info. I feel this was a discretional moment on the cops end. For such a large group, single file would be harder to get around in my opinion! Thanks for the sub man! Much more to come
Great to see you guys crushing it (34 mph with camera in mouth!) on the beautiful back roads of Georgia. Came on up to Vermont in the fall, you’ll love it. Prepare for hills! P.S. you’re good to call out service from the police. We know the job ain’t easy. For one, police need to be responsive to a range of public needs. Cyclists also pay taxes.
We had a Sheriff's Deputy pull over a World Famous ride because bicyclists weren't pulling over for a stop sign in the middle of nowhere (it remains that way to this day). It ended up with a crash that has resulted in over a million dollars in legal settlements and retraining of the entire force on how to properly stop bicycles. There's a right way and a wrong way to do things. Yes, if you violate the law, you can be cited. Pulling over the entire group fir an education event might look goid on the surface, but it might not end that way. Police need to be mindful there are people in charge and that's who they need to speak to when there's a problem with a riding group.
A group ride isn't going to disrupt motorist for more than a few seconds of their commute. I can't understand the anger level motorists get when anyone gets in their way. A motorist using their cell phone could end up killing someone. The police should be focusing on those people behind the wheel that have a phone in their hand, I see it everyday more times than I can count. I always give caution and extra space to cyclists and cars, maybe that's because I'm a cyclist and expect the same courtesy.
Thanks for Video - I spend many hours - so I felt your pain/ time. well spent Wayne - a Rider in Northern Califonia - Still trying to understand riders obsession with the center line.
agree with @pushbeyondaverage....the editing and camera work are excellent....you perfectly captured why fast, safe group rides are so awesome....you now have fans in Boston.....come and joins us for a Beantown Throwdown sometime and we will make a movie about YOU!
Don't know what the laws are in that state, but here in Louisiana, you can ride side by side, and as long as you're in your lane, you're good. Although I don't recommend riding close to the yellow, as it's just dangerous.. So whatever that laws are in the state you're riding in, follow them, and no problem..
In VA, we now can have the whole lane and cars must give the whole lane to pass. I'm just a slow ass beginner, so I will almost always just yield to motor vehicles and just get over and stop or slow to near stop.
Let the officer state what he needs to state and carry on, in this day and age and also based on some if these comments just let it go right or wrong lets just ride. I see and read so many opinions on right or wrong, laws, rights etc. etc. I just want to ride my bike as do most of the riders I group ride with , you all stay safe great video thx for sharing all the best on building more endurance a goal we all have.
Public road is not a race track. And there should be a limit to riders in a group. But if you ride single file it takes even longer for cars to overtake. It all depends. Rules say nothing. Sometimes this works, sometimes that works. They only thing that always works is use your brain.
Cop pulled us over for stop sign called his buddies. Gave out 13 tickets. Buddies said don't worry about it. It'll be thrown out of court. They just have to go along with the first cop
In areas where you can be passed I'd understand him having a problem with you not being single file. But on double yellow lines there's no point you may as well fill the lane as long as you give way to traffic behind you and pull off to let them pass. In my country only a few states have good laws on that, in several big mining states if you block traffic BEHIND you you get a ticket for obstructing traffic, so you can't just be a road hog and waste everyones life away being a slow obstruction.
Cyclists are allowed to take the full lane in every state. They are street legal vehicles. Now I usually ride solo, so I tend to stick close to the white line. I only move into the center of my lane on super quick descents where I'm tucked into the aero position; I need the extra space on both sides of the bike at that speed in case things get hairy. On large group events, cyclists can take the full lane (though they usually ride single-file once out of urban areas). But taking the full lane isn't illegal. Annoying for motorists? Perhaps. But it's legal; it's no different that any motorists getting stuck behind a tractor, a hillbilly on an ATV, or any slow-moving car.
Thats wild. We have a bunch of departments in the northern suburbs of Chicago that def pulls bikes over all the time. We know not to run a stop sign in the one city.
He's the guy who is going to put you in the body bag when it goes wrong that's why he cautioned you. Public roads are not a sporting venue. You wouldn't play other sports on that road because it is for transport. I wouldn't ride down a road like that with no shoulder and double lines, you are just asking for trouble. Good luck.
@Mistadonthecyclist 6 pm from 'Ride On Bikes' shop on Broadway, Columbus, GA. Sent you a Strava follow. The Razor 🪒🤙 There's Thurs Night Ride and Saturday mornings as well. We ride onto the military post, Ft. Moore. Zero traffic for literally 100 miles and great roads, flats, rollers, hills and the occasional tanks! (Yes, really!) Brian Musum, formerly of MACC Racing lived here and rode with another group ride, the "Cat6" guys on T & Th nights. They hammer! 🔨
Georgia law permits cycling 2 abreast, on an equal status to the requirement to stay right - i.e. 2 riders can ride 2 abreast and /collectively/ stay to the right. Further, the requirement to stay to right is as near as is "practicable" and there is a specific exception for when "The lane is too narrow to share safely with a motor vehicle". Now, there is a requirement for vehicles to give at least 3 feet of space when passing, so if there isn't 3 feet of room over, then you can cycle where you want - this is basically the "Take the lane" / "take primary" rule of safe cycling writ into law. Given 2 abreast is permitted too, that means a pair of riders can take the whole lane on all but the widest lanes I think (but check with a lawyer). Have a look at Phil Gaimon's recent video with pretty much the exact same issue with a cop. Seems like CA's laws are very similar to GAs.
Geez. First you don't have to ride single file, and in fact most states allow you to take the full lane and ride side-by-side for your safety, but none require that you ride single file. Drivers are supposed to give you at least 3ft to pass, and in some cases, must use the other lane to pass. I would have taken his name and badge number and reported him.
I rode with a very large group in Ft.Lauderdale for 10 yrs. cops were always cool with us even escorting us on our holiday rides. Sadly those days may be gone?
You're both wrong... The cop & you the riders.. Legally on roads in the US, we are allowed to travel on up to half of the lane especially when the right/ outside of the white line is either full of debris or dangerous condition of pavement thus causing potential flats or crashes. If the road is two lanes in each direction than & only than can the riders use the entire lane since there's a second lane for overtaking car traffic. Single file only ? Nope... Inside half of the traveling lane its two rotating lines one moving up where the lead rider takes a very short pull then pulls off into the line moving backwards. The line moving backwards is the one into the wind so the riders rotating in the pace line are sheltered until they hit the front for their short turn @ the front. When you hit the front you immediately pull off.. This is what & how a rotating pace line works. It does not command the entire lane which forces overtaking cars from going way out into the oncoming traffic lane..... From the video footage, you guys ride all over the place, on the double yellow, over it & fully take up the entire half of the road.... You cannot do that & is why the cop pulled ya'll over. He was correct in doing so but isn't correct in the single file demand. Additionally when your riding group is so big, you need to split it up into no more than 20 riders & group rides becoming unsanctioned racing on public roads is going to get drivers in cars pissed off. Find a commercial corporate development where you could race on Sundays when no one is working. On open public roads, you guys are asking for trouble from law enforcement. Over 20 becomes too chaotic unless you're in a controlled USA Cycling sanctioned controlled event.. Ride Safe & Smartly..
How strange some people are and how tyrannical some cops can be. By law, we are considered vehicles. We are subject to the rules of the road. But we are not allowed to use the road? I am from Canada and i cycle all year long.. indoors in the winter and outdoors in the late spring, summer and early fall. When I was young i got nabbed by the Gestapo for being on the wrong side of the road. He was very nice to me and explained that as vehicle I had to obey the traffic laws. He told me to keep to the right as much as possible, but if I had to, I could use any part of the road that I needed to.
I doubt there is any law in your state that says bike riders must ride in a single file on public roads. However, it's just simply a good courtesy not to impede traffic. I've been riding the highways and byways in Texas for over 40 years and most, not all, groups of cyclists quickly move to single file if and when a motorized vehicle comes up behind the group. Some car drivers still get upset but most don't.
Literally just watched Phil Gaimon talk about this exact same situation where he got stopped by a cop for not riding single file.... which is not illegal in california. The irony is that overtaking a bunch of riders in single file is actually actually harder to do safely than a compact peloton. Is it the law to ride in a single file in your state?
@@beelzebozo1 this was my first time ever experiencing this. I need to read up on the specifics but in the city we never have this problem at all. But Senoia police department and the bike shop are working together for a better solution.
Someone shared this earlier *GA Code 40-6-294 (c) - Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than two abreast except on bicycle paths, bicycle lanes, or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles, or when a special event permit issued by a local governing authority permits riding more than two abreast. But of course if someone had challenged him on that they'd have wound up in that back of that cruiser Also, awesome content - subscribed!*
The road were the group got pulled over has very little traffic. It was a back road and it was probably around 7 in the evening. The cop thought he was going to inform yall on how to be safe like everyone is a child. You don't have to ride single file and no one should have said that they would because it's less safe when cars are passing. Most motorist have no idea and in this case the cop didn't either. We deal with ignorant people all the time in the Senoia area but its still a great place to ride. If you live anywhere in the area the Senoia Tuesday ride is a must. Not just for the faster cyclist, there are 4 groups for riders with different levels of ability and experience.
The smart thing is to just say "yessir" to the cop and let him talk while nodding your head. Then after he disappears you go back to what you were doing out there. Trying to "discuss" rules of the road at that time is a waste because it resolves nothing and the cop gets PO'd at you. Nobody needs that.
@@Farbar1955 and then the cop thinks he's right when clearly he doesn't understand the law. It doesn't make the road safer for anyone.
In most states (I believe all), you are allowed to ride two abreast like motorcycles. Recording the officers pulling you over & then a polite letter to his supervisors regarding location, time of day, minimal traffic, healthy lifestyle activity & legal activity that he interrupted without him receiving a request/complaint (if that in fact was the case) is very effective & educational for that type of officer.
Personally (as a passionate, fastish paced old dude cyclist) I do not appreciate the groups that run stop signs & lights when other motorists are present. A single Mom working two jobs trying to make ends meet & running late to get her Son to practice on time...& 20 riders staring at her with an "Ya, I'm rudely running this intersection, what are you gonna do about it" look ??
C'mon guys, gives us a bad rep.
Actually, in most states you can ride 2 abreast, BUT you have to stay as close as is safe to the right side of the roadway. I ride in group rides like this and when the blood gets flowing, following the law is usually forgotten. This has created a lot of friction between motorists and cyclists. Common sense needs to prevail, or you will get heavily enforced by law enforcement. But no, the cop wasn't completely wrong.
that is actually what the laws are. they are supposed to obey all traffic laws that cars do, and that does not include side by side driving. how much traffic is on a road does not make people immune to laws.having to pass big groups and side by side is more dangerous.
I was an LAPD Cop, who used to follow Group rides to provide them with safety, while I had them take the whole lane…. In CA cyclists can take a lane…. I would also shut down an intersection, and allow the entire group to remain together (sometimes hundreds of cyclists)….. Those was for, in my professional opinion, the safety of the cyclists, and to allow them to get through lights where half the pack got through, then halfway through the pack rolling, the light turned red,….. Public safety and true community Policing…..Velo Club La Grange and Big Orange in LA and South Bay know!…… NO Officer out in the less busy country roads should be sweating cyclists for bs…….. Provide some “Community Policing”…..NOT cite people on bikes trying to enjoy themselves and stay in shape. Police Officers have the ability to use the letter of the law for egregious and legitimately unsafe driving, or….the spirit of the law. Common sense should be applied!
Watching this video , I would have allowed the pace line to continue, and provided them a a little added safety while following. A few minutes of slower driving on a back road isn’t to much to ask of drivers. IMHO
Facts bro!!! Thank you for all you do and your amazing support!!! Need more people like you!!
That's exactly what I was thinking. Go SAFA!
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Should cars and semis be banned from the road? Are riding single file as far right as safely possible?
@TransRights6969 Would you really want 30 bicycles in a single file line, or would it be safer if there were a much shorter double line?
People want us to get out the way and act like we slow them down, but they forget that every traffic jam, stoplight, stop sign, etc is because other cars are in the way of them.
Yup. For ever bike they have to wait a few second behind, they wait hours and hours behind other cars.
They also don't know that bicycles are street legal vehicles. Yet they're quick to ride ATVs on the roads...which AREN'T street legal.
@@sixstanger00 Depending of the state for ATVs!
On county road stop sign, lights, traffic jams are few and far inbetween... Most of the road in the video are double solid yellow line, it's a hard road to pass on even in a passing zone.. The should be single file and as far right as safely possible.
@@TransRights6969 nah.
I had a cop pull me over once to tell me I was impeding traffic. I was on a country road with very few cars. I asked him where he thought I should ride, in the ditch? I informed him that a bicycle is a vehicle and, unless the road is otherwise marked, I can use the whole lane if I want. I then had to inform him that faster moving vehicles have to slow down and pass me when it's safe to do so. Anyhow, he had no answer for any of it, he was just a moron who didn't know the laws he's supposed to enforce. I have nothing against cops, but I can't stand stupid people.
Thats when i go fog horn leg horn. Naw, naw, your doing it all wrong son. Yous see what you need to do is (whispers) pspspspspspspspspsp. Now thats how you do it see.
@@honestreviewer3283 on the off chance it ever comes up again, most state statutes relating to impeding traffic require it be an intentional act. Operating a slow moving vehicle as fast as it reasonably goes cannot ever be impeding traffic by law. A bike only goes so fast. The police cannot demand you operate it at a speed that it is physically not able to go in order to please car drivers.
You were lucky I think. Knowing the law and not having a belligerent bully who does not care to listen, (DNGF) are two different things. I have seen enough videos of the US and dealt with enough plods in Australia to know that on the spot they can hurt you.
@@Thezuule1 Thanks. Yeah, this happened in Canada actually, but the road laws are essentially the same. I was a military officer at the time and I reported him to his captain.
@@Thezuule1 Exactly.
Cops just be making shit up to get their way. It's literally the only reason I'm glad there are cameras everywhere.
Great vid! Y'all handled that a lot more respectfully than I would have.
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I've ridden all over the USA and that cop 100% embodies the typical Southern anti-cyclist attitude, "Outta my way the road is made for cars and I'm going to starve if I don't get to McDonald's in the next 2 minutes!"
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I live/ride in Alabama & Mississippi, and you're 100% right. The attitude down here is very anti-cyclist; it's often viewed as a "sissy sport" or "kids sport." I've had one guy tell me, "If man was meant to ride a bicycle, why did he invent a motor?" This guy is an avid deer hunter, so of course, we could apply his logic to hunting: if man was meant to use a bow for hunting, why did he invent the rifle?
But as you say, the most common view - particularly from needle-d**ks in big lumbering trucks - is that they own the road and I should get out their way. Even the cops here are so unfamiliar with the traffic laws that they're unaware that bicycles are legal vehicles.
Not just the south, Michigan in my opinion is much worse. We’ve been “pulled over” several times. Now i live in Florida where I can ride all year round. Worry more about the distracted drivers than the police.
@@andrewowens110 Haha, yep, south/midwest basically the same but you guys have some ROUGH roads!
Wish it was just the South but to be honest I've have two homes One in Atlanta and one in Boulder Colorado. On several of our big giant rides in the South we've had police officers escort us as described by the awesome police officer's comments above. In Boulder and Denver and in the mountains even we've had police officers mostly the CSP give us hard times consistently over the years. They've pretty much broken down big group rides unless they have an official event that has been signed off on. Sadly this is still going on today. I'm actually able to ride more big group rides in Atlanta than I am in Denver and Boulder because of this.
_"If someone hits you, that's on you."_
Well, no officer...that's on YOU - the law - because the person will have committed involuntary manslaughter because they weren't paying attention to the road.
nope. cop is right> if you cross a double yellow...car or BIKE....you are at fault. period. so that is what he means: if you are on a bike, and you cross the double yellow, adn you get hit? that's YOUR fault.
He was complaining about single file, which they do not have to do legally they can use the full lane.
The cop wasn't referring to them crossing a double yellow, he was referring to them riding two or three wide in their own lane. Unless you live in an area where cycling is popular, most motorists and cops are unaware that bicycles are legal vehicles, not kiddie toys intended for parking lots or cul-de-sacs.
Pay attention - the cop wasn't referring to crossing the the double yellow, period. We can ride a double pace line AND take up the entire lane if needed and this is lawful ALL states - period x2. Thanks for pointing out the obvious but you are missing the entire point of the cops stop, period x3.
It would've been difficult for me to hold back and not correct this cop who definitely didn't know the traffic laws. But I give praise to this group for being mild-mannered - but if this cop stops them again he might go off until he is reminded of the actual law, period x4.
when it is your fault, yes it is on u. duh
Imagine being a cop and telling a vulnerable road user, “if you get mowed down, that’s on you“. What a meat head.
Don’t hurl ad hominem attacks at that chromosomal juggernaut. 😂
I had something similar happen when I got pulled over. The biggest problem in America (both with cops and motorists) is that neither are taught that bicycles are street legal vehicles, so per traffic codes they are to be treated as such. The cop that stopped me literally said, _"I can't have you riding out here on the streets because you're going to get hit."_ I told him bikes were street legal vehicles and we parted ways. Also, contrary to what motorists WANT us to do - it is ILLEGAL to ride a bicycle on sidewalks (though I wouldn't want to ride my road bike there anyway).
Imagine getting mowed down and it's your fault! Cars have a undefeated record vs cyclist if you are not aware!
Yep, what an arsehole.
@@TransRights6969 *_Cars have a undefeated record vs cyclist if you are not aware!_*
Physically, yes. Lawfully? No. Plenty of cases where cyclists have been hit and the motorist has lost their ass in lawsuits.
According to the law, if you hit a cyclist (and they weren't running a red light, stop sign, etc), then the court is going to interpret that no differently than if you'd hit a CAR.
Bicycles are legal vehicles, you hit another vehicle. So while you may feel dominant because your "vehicle" is bigger, it's still involuntary manslaughter.
Check engine light came on… imma use that… 😎🍻
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Yea that was a good one, enjoyed your commentary! Happy riding!
I wouldn't say all cops use the same mentality. Here in some of the farm lands of central Texas we have (2) specific cops that patrol the areas when they know that we're doing our own spicy laps. They do it to actually protect us, to slow down other traffic and let them know that there are cyclists on the road. Super friendly cop, always happy to see us, and we're even happier to see him and his partner. Great video, and great kit! Heavy Pedal!
Did the cop say if you get hit its on you??
2 things: 1. I have never heard of a cop pulling over cyclists for riding in a double pace line. I never ride as far to the right as possible, because it invites cars to pass me unsafely. I ride where the right side tires of cars would be, and this pretty much forces cars to change lanes to pass. Also, double pace lines make the group smaller and takes less time for cars to pass. That whole thing just bothers me. That cop needs to enforce unsafe passing of cars and not hassle people out getting healthy and not bothering anyone.
And number 2, if it's within your budget, an Insta 360 mounted below your Garmin would make for some great videos and you wouldn't have to hold anything in your mouth. Plus, we would be able to see in front of and behind you. Just a thought. Be safe and watch out for uncool cops.
Everything you say would be cool if the cycling groups are small. Large groups are not necessary and are an impediment to smooth flow on the roads. Just because they want to think that they are riding the Tour de France?
@@jimwing.2178 Spoken like someone who couldn’t ride a bike 5 miles if his life depended on it. It’s obvious you know nothing about cycling, so what are you doing here?
@@shepshape2585 You don't know me so what's with the ad hominem attack? Makes you sound like an arrogant ass - true to the stereotype that the lycra set has garnered. I know about the culture that you roadies dwell in. Nowhere within your clique is courtesy to other people considered. Do you consider riding in smaller groups so that motorists can safely get by you? Do you ever slow down to allow a motorist to pass? I've never seen it, either from my car, or from my bike within group road ride. That is why I ride alone or just one other person.
Someone with some influence complained, that’s how it always happens.
FACT THIS WAS A BORED COP
@@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte I wouldn’t bet any money that he was bored. Person with pull complains to mayor, mayor then pressures chief, chief pressures command staff and that pressure is passed on to the street cops.
@@Slowjo1221 cops, who sit behind a windshield 97% of their career, are totally capable of acting with the perspective of someone who sits behind a windshield 97% of their time at work. No ‘complaint’ necessary.
No influence needed, any regular cager seething about being *inconvenienced* over the phone will do.
The cop was wrong about everything, starting with stopping you.
Police officers, deputies etc. must have at least a bachelor degree in...something. Chiefs, sheriffs, captains, a masters. Far too many peace officers are poorly educated, functionally illiterate, communication deficient idiots. They bring shame and cast aspersion upon the fine officers. Officers must be professionals , and then of course, be paid accordingly.
Same cop will pull you over for riding on the sidewalk to a cafe 😂
Right, what are we? Motor vehicles or pedestrians?! This line is blurred many times while we are out riding. I was stopped for taking up a single lane in my neighborhood because there was all kinds of debris on the right side of the road. I have to request a supervisor before being released and hope this newbie cop learns the law.
@@morrimohr5759 so silly! Glad you “got let go” haha… the cop that pulled me over actually pulled his dang car up onto the sidewalk to tell me “I could give you a ticket for riding on the sidewalk” hahahaha
I got pulled over by a cop once. I was a single rider and was following a mini van through a beach community with a 25 mph speed limit, I was doing around 28, the van would have been going over 30. The cop pulled me over, let the van go. I was like dude, WTF.... when he asked me for id, I said I did not have any on me, I did, but again, WTF. He started to get antsy, but right about then, his sergeant pulled up, was like WTF, told me to leave, and when I came to the stop sign about 45 ft later, I looked back and the sergeant was ripping him for harassing me. I guess the home owner of the house I stopped in front of, call the police line saying one of their cops was having an animated discussing with someone he pulled over, never mentioning it was a cyclist. The sergeant was in the area, so said he was wonder over. Completely threw off my vibe, I was having a great leg day.
Clearly he doesnt know the law or doesnt care what the law is
Nor is he liable for his ignorance yet a contractor is... and con is in the name!
I really enjoyed this video. Good job! Greetings from Puerto Rico
Great video... keep them coming! I'll keep watching and amping up for my rides.
I enjoyed the video. Nice edit, sweet font choice. Thanks for posting.
first time catching your channel, nice ride man and great video. keep pushing on those rides! and keep coming back at it
Definitely will keep coming back!
Never had any issues like that here in California. They’ll usually wave at us or say hi. Different mentality here. I lived in the south tho. I honestly am not surprised by his attitude
Single file? In Georgia? That cop needs to look at 40-6-294 subsection c
Cyclist typically take up a very small fraction of lane width.
Even a pace line can take up less than 1/2 a lane.
Most drivers are selfish lane hogs.
They Can’t stand to lose a few seconds waiting to pass a cyclist or two.
Passing a cyclist or two is not an issue for anybody. Following a 1/4-mile-long string of cyclists on a winding road is infuriating. Cyclists should be more considerate and ride in small groups. They should also extend the courtesy to slowing down when cars have an opportunity to pass.
@@jimwing.2178 What a pathetic comment by a typical lane hog driver. Wrong on so many levels! Get over it!
You should add stats (speed, power, etc) on the screen during the ride. It makes it more interesting like we're sharing the 'pain', I usually gravitate towards those videos. Keep up the great work!
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Great mindset you have… don’t letup.. get better.. subbed
That is why I prefer solo rides 18-20 mph, 200+ watts for2-3 hours and never get complaints...I stick to the side and away from traffic.
Its their lane, the cop is a donut. He could probably get them for not riding to the side, thats about it. Not sure how much that ticket would cost. Thats the hazard of racing... someone wanted to take a faster line, someone else wanted to no concede the advantage, next thing everyone is pushing off the right side joining in.
@@brandonhoffman4712 he can't do that even, according to Georgia law there is an exception if the roadway is too narrow to share with motor vehicles. Which it is.
@@Reulonfr ya, same in CA. I dont get what you are getting @, I am under the same impression as you on this matter of taking the lane. But I'm not certain what you mean he cant do as you didnt specify what he cant do.
Dope video. The production is 🔥.
Um. You mean the use of cut and paste? Or did I miss the special effects and overlays?
@@brandonhoffman4712 The flow and energy of the video - this is something you're culturally blind to.
@@pushbeyondaverage you seem like you dont like viking culture.
@@brandonhoffman4712 I don't like delusion.
@@pushbeyondaverage Then you should feel the flow and energy of reality...
Just stumbled upon your video. Awesome video and good choice of music too. Very entertaining. Cops, what can I say!!!
Thanks for coming down! Great video!
Love the vid! Great to see your crew. Damn those southern roads have no shoulder! Keep on it, you have a great attitude.
‘Check Engine light’ 😂 I’ve been there man! I rode a century in April with a faaaast group of like 18-20 guys averaging 23 after 80 miles. One of my friends decided to attack the front and the pace went up to 28-30 and that’s when I cracked and fell off the back. Solid fun ride though. Fastest century in the books!
Real irony here,back in the 1880's,and 1890's,the League of American Wheelman,were pushing for paving roads! And the other outfits,for paving roads,were the Streetcar companies,and prior horse car operators,who were required by franchise to pave their right-of-ways,which didn't benefit the transit passengers at all! Bit of overlooked history,and there was a book on Alanta's transit put out by Interurbans Press,might be useful! Thank you for the forum! Thank you 😇 😊!
damn that's a group of strong legs!! 184bpm!!! dang, faster and stronger doesn't mean the pain stops! well done!
I have no idea what the laws are on this in Georgia, but in Norway where I'm from, the recommendation is to ride in two lines on group rides, in order to shorten the take over as much as possible. More than two, and the lines disintegrate to a bunch, which carries its own dangers, but single file is not recommended.
Nice footage! I’ve ridden in SENOIA a few times. Very intense!
Uncertain where you are but we're allowed to ride 2 wide in Ga... irritating it changes by state though. Be safe!
This is GA lol, which is why we were surprised
@@Mistadonthecyclist 🤦♂️🤦♂️sorry about that. Some cops...
Nice video! I remember when I used to be fast but I'm older and slower now (still have my moments out there but they're fewer, LOL). Looks like a great group to ride with and get your heart rate on.
Gotta see some all white and blue activity from mistafrozonedadon in october. So good to see you in an environment where you can consistently push yourself into growth and perseverance man keep going man !
You’re allowed to ride two wide in Georgia. Cop doesn’t even know the law.
lol "check engine light came on...." I have always felt that when a large group of cyclists, ie more than ~10, is riding it is best to bunch up and not string out single file, thus passing cars go completely into the L lane and pass more easily when the group is bunched in 20-40 yds of road versus strung out over 100-150 yds.
Hey, averaging nearly 24 mph is no joke. Don't feel bad about getting dropped. Even on my best day I could only average 21-22 although in group rides I might be able to hang with a faster group like this one. Nice vid. Thanks for sharing.
I grew up there! I rode those roads back in the early 90s. There were hardly any cars, and even fewer cops around. What cops there were I was probably related to.
I got stopped by a USAF Security Police back in the 80's. I was in uniform, riding home from work. I was so happy at the thought of getting a speeding ticket on my bike. SP walks up to my bike and asked me, Do you know why I pulled you over? I tolded him, very honestly, I have no idea why you pulled over. He said, you were going too fast. I literally laughed and pointed out the speed limit was 40 and I was probably riding around 20mph. He says, well it looked like you were going too fast. I said, on this bike, in this uniform, with these scrawny legs that is virtually impossible! He then says, well you should probably have a light on you bike. I asked, is there a "probably" law that states that? He finally gave up and walked back to his cruiser. He proceeded to follow me all the way to the main gate until I exited the base. Moral of the story, cops might be trying to do the right thing but don't always handle the situation the right way.
good story, when a cop asks you if you know why they have pulled you over you should answer ,'how can i help you officer?'. Safer to say that from a legal POV
omg Senoia!!! My cousin lives there and I have ridden these roads on my Surly Disc Trucker (I'm a touring cyclist, not one of those fast-cats on their beautiful road cycles). Absolutely love seeing so many riders going through the roads of Senoia and that area of Georgia.
Cyclists here in Australia can legally ride two a breast on a road but not 3. Cars also have to give a minimum buffer when passing of 1.5 meters or 5 feet.
In my state if there is not a bike lane, cyclists get the entire right lane, and cars must go around them when safe. Single file makes no difference, as long as you are in your bike lane or right auto lane.
Check engine light 😂😂
Good Effort man. Dig it!!!
He has no reason to be mad at cyclists for using the whole roadway. He should learn the laws
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I've seen it where a group of bicyclists have the whole lane blocked. In this state, they have to rode single file.
That's funny; every day I see people driving cars that have the whole lane blocked, and they are in single file.
Wow! That looks fun💪👊. Great community there
There appeared to be a few wild riders out there, def some ppl getting close to crossing the yellow lines. At least you guys owned up to it and kept it moving safely.
I find it curious that if a group of cyclists gets anywhere near the center line, it's cause for a traffic stop, but motorists regularly drive like they're in a Mad Max film and no one thinks the less of it.
The law (at least here in CA) stipulates cyclists must ride as far to the right as they can. Which implies "safley can" as saftey is always implied with laws. Technically a cop could pull over a cyclist for taking the middle of a lane if there wasnt a reason for it.
On 2 lane roads, motor vehicles are allowed to cross a broken yellow into oncoming traffic in order to pass. Im sure it feels a bit mad max, but it is legal.
There is no law in California requiring riders to ride single file. If a bike needs to pass another it may freely do so in the road.
I dont know what the cop in this video is talking about with single file, sounds like BS. But he does have them riding too far from the right without reason. Which is reason enough for the cyclists to try and appeal to the officers good side. If he wants he can take his time writing tickets.
@@brandonhoffman4712 *_On 2 lane roads, motor vehicles are allowed to cross a broken yellow into oncoming traffic in order to pass. Im sure it feels a bit mad max, but it is legal._*
Yes, it's legal because bicycles are considered legal vehicles, so they are to be treated as such. All traffic laws that apply to cars also apply to bikes...though here in Alabama where the roads are twisty & hilly, people pass me on double yellows all the time. I honestly don't mind as long as they slow down and move over at least 3 feet; most people will take the entire oncoming lane to be safe...while others are just dicks and don't move over at all.
I usually ride solo, so I stick to the far right for the most part except on rapid descents where I'm tucked into the aero position; the bike gets a little wobbly around 35 MPH so I move into the middle of my lane to allow a little extra breathing room to my right.
@sixstanger00 here's googles AI overview for you. I see nothing stating crossing double yellow lines is okay.
California has several laws that apply to cyclists, including those that require them to follow traffic rules, and those that give them rights on the road:
Traffic rules
Bicyclists must follow the same traffic rules as other vehicles, including stopping at stop signs and red lights, signaling when turning, and riding in the same direction as traffic. They must also yield the right of way to drivers at intersections and driveways, and allow drivers to cross in marked crosswalks. However, in many situations, bicyclists have the right of way over drivers.
Riding on the road
Bicyclists can ride in the traffic lane if they're going as fast as traffic, but if they're going slower, they should ride as close to the right curb as possible. They can also ride two abreast when riding with traffic, but some say they can also ride two abreast when they can't keep up and have to ride to the right.
Passing
Bicyclists should exercise caution when passing vehicles that are stopped or going in the same direction. Motorists must pass bicyclists at a distance of at least three feet and not interfere with their safe operation.
Helmets
Minors under 18 are required to wear a properly fitted and fastened helmet that meets the standards of the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM). While adults aren't required to wear helmets, they are strongly encouraged to do so, especially on roads with few bike lanes.
Bike lanes
Motor vehicles are not allowed to drive in designated bike lanes, which are marked by solid white lines, signage, and pavement markings. The purpose of this law is to protect cyclists by giving them a separate space on the road.
@sixstanger00 if you feel I'm still wrong, feel free to post CA code that states such if you can find it.
If y'all are in a single file line, it will cause a car to have to be in oncoming traffic lane twice as long as if you were double file (a single line of 20 riders is twice as long as 2 lines of 10). Georgia State law says that drivers are to give cyclists 3 feet and a cyclist is entitled to the entire lane. It took me 5 minutes look it up. Just have the Georgia driver's manual pulled up on your phone if this happens often.
I would probably be in the back of a police car if I did that 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Mistadonthecyclist Yeah, maybe leave that to your white friends.
why is it that during covid you had to stay 2m away from someone but a 2 tonne vehicle can pass a cyclist at whatever speed at a meter or less?
@@johnandrews3568 the law says a meter or more. That's because covid can kill you from a meter away and a car has to be less than a millimeter away.
@@Mistadonthecyclist unless someone challenges this police officer on it they're just going to keep doing this. Eventually someone will be cited for it and the judge will toss it out at which point it's grounds for a lawsuit and corrective action.
Texas Code 551.103c states that cyclists can ride two abreast and that there is no distance requirement to the "shoulder". As a matter of fact, cyclists can use the whole lane if they choose to do so for safety reasons. Tired of cops being ignorant of laws they try to enforce without even knowing what those laws actually state.
A police officer ignorant of the law and why cyclists ride the way they do (for their own safety)? I'm shocked, I say, shocked!!
Public easements are the only legal way to get somewhere and we should be safe from harm from others. No one should be granted immunity from causing harm to non motorized vehicle persons.
but these guys arent going anywhere. they are just riding their bikes for enjoyment....while putting their life at risk and others. if they were traveling for food/work it'd make sense. should have a permit to ride a vehicle of any sort on a roadway. and you shouldnt get a permit just to get on the road for funsies.
@@andicus3453wouldn't need all that if the only viable form of transportation didn't cause so many deaths. I hope you are heavily invested in the auto industry with this amount of simping if not you're just brain broken.
@@andicus3453 wait what? you think that should matter about freedom to move about without being killed by a motorized vehicle? you have given an example of Car Culture mentality
@@andicus3453 so nobody should ever be allowed to drive a car unless they're going shopping or to and from work? You can't like drive your car to your vacation because that wouldn't make sense. Driving to the beach or to a movie theater just doesn't make sense. You aren't allowed to use the road for your personal enjoyment! Good grief...
@@mkgreen9750 yes i dont live in the city and we dont have "bike lanes" and have narrow roads. fuck bikes on roadways. car culture lmao
Good work and a great attitude !
GA Code 40-6-294 (c) - Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than two abreast except on bicycle paths, bicycle lanes, or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles, or when a special event permit issued by a local governing authority permits riding more than two abreast.
But of course if someone had challenged him on that they’d have wound up in that back of that cruiser🤦🏼♂️
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Thanks for sharing this info. I feel this was a discretional moment on the cops end. For such a large group, single file would be harder to get around in my opinion!
Thanks for the sub man! Much more to come
Great to see you guys crushing it (34 mph with camera in mouth!) on the beautiful back roads of Georgia. Came on up to Vermont in the fall, you’ll love it. Prepare for hills!
P.S. you’re good to call out service from the police. We know the job ain’t easy. For one, police need to be responsive to a range of public needs. Cyclists also pay taxes.
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We had a Sheriff's Deputy pull over a World Famous ride because bicyclists weren't pulling over for a stop sign in the middle of nowhere (it remains that way to this day). It ended up with a crash that has resulted in over a million dollars in legal settlements and retraining of the entire force on how to properly stop bicycles. There's a right way and a wrong way to do things. Yes, if you violate the law, you can be cited. Pulling over the entire group fir an education event might look goid on the surface, but it might not end that way. Police need to be mindful there are people in charge and that's who they need to speak to when there's a problem with a riding group.
Nice job! 👏👏👏
oooof that first ditch wipeout, looks like he managed to hold it in the grass 😭
Loving the views out in the country roads 🔥
A group ride isn't going to disrupt motorist for more than a few seconds of their commute. I can't understand the anger level motorists get when anyone gets in their way. A motorist using their cell phone could end up killing someone. The police should be focusing on those people behind the wheel that have a phone in their hand, I see it everyday more times than I can count. I always give caution and extra space to cyclists and cars, maybe that's because I'm a cyclist and expect the same courtesy.
Thanks for Video - I spend many hours - so I felt your pain/ time. well spent
Wayne - a Rider in Northern Califonia - Still trying to understand riders obsession with the center line.
agree with @pushbeyondaverage....the editing and camera work are excellent....you perfectly captured why fast, safe group rides are so awesome....you now have fans in Boston.....come and joins us for a Beantown Throwdown sometime and we will make a movie about YOU!
Thanks man! I will definitely keep this in mind. I will put Boston on my list of places to bring the bike!
Don't know what the laws are in that state, but here in Louisiana, you can ride side by side, and as long as you're in your lane, you're good. Although I don't recommend riding close to the yellow, as it's just dangerous.. So whatever that laws are in the state you're riding in, follow them, and no problem..
jeeze that cop reinforcing stereo types of the south. frakin sux cuz it looks like a great place to ride.
In VA, we now can have the whole lane and cars must give the whole lane to pass. I'm just a slow ass beginner, so I will almost always just yield to motor vehicles and just get over and stop or slow to near stop.
You should come up here to Blairsville Ga if you want some real elevation climb.
Let the officer state what he needs to state and carry on, in this day and age and also based on some if these comments just let it go right or wrong lets just ride. I see and read so many opinions on right or wrong, laws, rights etc. etc. I just want to ride my bike as do most of the riders I group ride with , you all stay safe great video thx for sharing all the best on building more endurance a goal we all have.
Public road is not a race track. And there should be a limit to riders in a group.
But if you ride single file it takes even longer for cars to overtake. It all depends. Rules say nothing. Sometimes this works, sometimes that works. They only thing that always works is use your brain.
Cop pulled us over for stop sign called his buddies. Gave out 13 tickets. Buddies said don't worry about it. It'll be thrown out of court. They just have to go along with the first cop
No shame on that ride, Brother. Humiliation is a necessary part of training.
Dope! I wish I could get out on a weeknight!! Anyway, keep pushing. See you Dalton.
"catching a lot of SH!T on camera today" hahaha! for real!
In areas where you can be passed I'd understand him having a problem with you not being single file. But on double yellow lines there's no point you may as well fill the lane as long as you give way to traffic behind you and pull off to let them pass. In my country only a few states have good laws on that, in several big mining states if you block traffic BEHIND you you get a ticket for obstructing traffic, so you can't just be a road hog and waste everyones life away being a slow obstruction.
In NC, cyclists are allowed to take the full lane.
How are the drivers there?
Cyclists are allowed to take the full lane in every state. They are street legal vehicles. Now I usually ride solo, so I tend to stick close to the white line. I only move into the center of my lane on super quick descents where I'm tucked into the aero position; I need the extra space on both sides of the bike at that speed in case things get hairy.
On large group events, cyclists can take the full lane (though they usually ride single-file once out of urban areas). But taking the full lane isn't illegal. Annoying for motorists? Perhaps. But it's legal; it's no different that any motorists getting stuck behind a tractor, a hillbilly on an ATV, or any slow-moving car.
The NYC/NJ Group rides get pulled over weekly.
Don't you just hate it when something steals the oxygen out of the air and the glycogen out of your muscles.
Fantastic video! Love the content
Thats wild. We have a bunch of departments in the northern suburbs of Chicago that def pulls bikes over all the time. We know not to run a stop sign in the one city.
That touch of wheels almost paralyzed that guy ...
He's the guy who is going to put you in the body bag when it goes wrong that's why he cautioned you. Public roads are not a sporting venue. You wouldn't play other sports on that road because it is for transport. I wouldn't ride down a road like that with no shoulder and double lines, you are just asking for trouble. Good luck.
You should check out Ride On Bikes Tuesday night ride A group down here in Columbus! Not quite as fast they usually roll 20-21avg
Nice! What time do they roll?
@Mistadonthecyclist 6 pm from 'Ride On Bikes' shop on Broadway, Columbus, GA. Sent you a Strava follow. The Razor 🪒🤙 There's Thurs Night Ride and Saturday mornings as well. We ride onto the military post, Ft. Moore. Zero traffic for literally 100 miles and great roads, flats, rollers, hills and the occasional tanks! (Yes, really!) Brian Musum, formerly of MACC Racing lived here and rode with another group ride, the "Cat6" guys on T & Th nights. They hammer! 🔨
Georgia law permits cycling 2 abreast, on an equal status to the requirement to stay right - i.e. 2 riders can ride 2 abreast and /collectively/ stay to the right. Further, the requirement to stay to right is as near as is "practicable" and there is a specific exception for when "The lane is too narrow to share safely with a motor vehicle". Now, there is a requirement for vehicles to give at least 3 feet of space when passing, so if there isn't 3 feet of room over, then you can cycle where you want - this is basically the "Take the lane" / "take primary" rule of safe cycling writ into law. Given 2 abreast is permitted too, that means a pair of riders can take the whole lane on all but the widest lanes I think (but check with a lawyer).
Have a look at Phil Gaimon's recent video with pretty much the exact same issue with a cop. Seems like CA's laws are very similar to GAs.
Geez. First you don't have to ride single file, and in fact most states allow you to take the full lane and ride side-by-side for your safety, but none require that you ride single file. Drivers are supposed to give you at least 3ft to pass, and in some cases, must use the other lane to pass. I would have taken his name and badge number and reported him.
Cop" Just what kinda doomsday machine are ya boys"
Nice to see Rim Brake Bikes👍🔥👍
I rode with a very large group in Ft.Lauderdale for 10 yrs. cops were always cool with us even escorting us on our holiday rides. Sadly those days may be gone?
Great video
You're both wrong... The cop & you the riders.. Legally on roads in the US, we are allowed to travel on up to half of the lane especially when the right/ outside of the white line is either full of debris or dangerous condition of pavement thus causing potential flats or crashes. If the road is two lanes in each direction than & only than can the riders use the entire lane since there's a second lane for overtaking car traffic. Single file only ? Nope... Inside half of the traveling lane its two rotating lines one moving up where the lead rider takes a very short pull then pulls off into the line moving backwards. The line moving backwards is the one into the wind so the riders rotating in the pace line are sheltered until they hit the front for their short turn @ the front. When you hit the front you immediately pull off.. This is what & how a rotating pace line works. It does not command the entire lane which forces overtaking cars from going way out into the oncoming traffic lane..... From the video footage, you guys ride all over the place, on the double yellow, over it & fully take up the entire half of the road.... You cannot do that & is why the cop pulled ya'll over. He was correct in doing so but isn't correct in the single file demand. Additionally when your riding group is so big, you need to split it up into no more than 20 riders & group rides becoming unsanctioned racing on public roads is going to get drivers in cars pissed off. Find a commercial corporate development where you could race on Sundays when no one is working. On open public roads, you guys are asking for trouble from law enforcement. Over 20 becomes too chaotic unless you're in a controlled USA Cycling sanctioned controlled event.. Ride Safe & Smartly..
How strange some people are and how tyrannical some cops can be. By law, we are considered vehicles. We are subject to the rules of the road. But we are not allowed to use the road? I am from Canada and i cycle all year long.. indoors in the winter and outdoors in the late spring, summer and early fall. When I was young i got nabbed by the Gestapo for being on the wrong side of the road. He was very nice to me and explained that as vehicle I had to obey the traffic laws. He told me to keep to the right as much as possible, but if I had to, I could use any part of the road that I needed to.
Peace and love from manchester UK keep on grooving,cyclist rule.
I doubt there is any law in your state that says bike riders must ride in a single file on public roads. However, it's just simply a good courtesy not to impede traffic. I've been riding the highways and byways in Texas for over 40 years and most, not all, groups of cyclists quickly move to single file if and when a motorized vehicle comes up behind the group. Some car drivers still get upset but most don't.
I never thought riding a bicycle would make me a criminal 🦇💩🥜
Literally just watched Phil Gaimon talk about this exact same situation where he got stopped by a cop for not riding single file.... which is not illegal in california. The irony is that overtaking a bunch of riders in single file is actually actually harder to do safely than a compact peloton. Is it the law to ride in a single file in your state?
@@beelzebozo1 this was my first time ever experiencing this. I need to read up on the specifics but in the city we never have this problem at all. But Senoia police department and the bike shop are working together for a better solution.
Solid ride, good vibes ....Nice job💪
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Remember the laws of physics... 180# bike / rider combination vs. 4,500# steel car with lots of blind spots...WATCH OUT!
What's the law in Georgia regarding bicycles on the road?
Someone shared this earlier
*GA Code 40-6-294 (c) - Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than two abreast except on bicycle paths, bicycle lanes, or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles, or when a special event permit issued by a local governing authority permits riding more than two abreast.
But of course if someone had challenged him on that they'd have wound up in that back of that cruiser
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