Forging a Pipe Lock - part 3 making the key
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- The key is the final detail the forged pipe lock project. While this particular key doesn't go very smoothly, it is fully functional and shows the necessary process. Lock making is certainly something I am looking forward to pursuing in more detail.
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I love it that you don't edit out all your mistakes. It helps give a clearer idea of real world blacksmithing.
It is vastly important and helpful to see the mistakes and problems that arrive while attempting a project. To see an expert such as yourself work through that sequence of problems mistakes and the tinkering necessary to make something work is highly encouraging. Many tutors would have simply edited that out and in doing so would have robbed the audience of invaluable lessons. To see how a truly accomplished blacksmith goes through the entire process in a realistic and honest fashion helps me tremendously.
I'd kill to be in the smithy while you're fiddling with these kinds of projects. I feel like cussing out inanimate objects is a universal thing amongst all craftsmen of all backgrounds.. and I'd pay top dollar to hear what you have to say off camera lol.
I'm just a hobby blacksmith but I really enjoy your videos and the time you take explaining things. I've really learned a lot just watching and listening. Thanks
YOU DID A GREAT JOB JHON DON'T BEAT YOURSELF UP BLACK SMITHING IS HARD WORK I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO BUD KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!🇺🇸
I came from tik tok and wanted to say i love your work and your content and thank you for sharing with all of us
I appreciate you showing us the things that go wrong or don't work, especially when you show us the solutions as well.
Way to work thru the problems. If we are honest we all have to from time to time and learn something new in the process . Any lock will only keep honest people honest . The others will find a way in . Thanks
LOL! My wife enjoyed your video, because I keep talking to you trying to help with ideas! She laughs and says "he's not listening to you!" LOL!
Take care and God Bless John!
Yeah, he doesn't listen to me during videos either. And the particulates on his anvil refuse to move when I try to blow them off as well.
Enjoyable project. I guess when such a lock was popular they did not have fancy tools to open it, plus the chest would have been wooded; not to hard to break in to, so the lock did a good job. In the end, any pad lock is just to keep an honest sole out. Look forward to seeing more lock making. I personally have an interest in making old style locks.
One thing your videos always have is to be educational and inspiring. Thank you John.
The difference between someone who succeeds and someone who fails is the mentality of not giving up! Way to go! This is awesome!
Great videos....Glad to see your mistakes & the solutions to resolve them.
Use a left handed thread for locking pin.
Use a socket cap bolt for locking pin. Weld in a security bit. Then the end of the key is the matching security bolt head.
Very good series ,John! Thanks for showing us the good and the bad!
If you lay the drill press vise on its side then clamp the workpiece, you will have three points of contact on the workpiece and it will keep it more in line with the drill bit. Just something I picked up along the way. Love the videos sir.
Thanks for showing the process. I am familiar with these types of locks, but I have never made one. I didn't realize that the screw part inside comes out. Interesting. Maybe I'll have to try one of these out.
Love you showing the struggle!
Loved the lock series and the link to the padlock maker. His heart shaped pad lock was pretty cool, and so is your barrel lock. I'm trying to figure out how to combine the two for a more secure key system with a barrel lock. I see a lot of graving and filing needing to be done to pull it off. Not sure my hands will let me work thay accurite anymore.
Haven't had my camera on in a long time, never liked where the quality of my videos was getting to, not my skill set. Your much better at it than I. Love the channel. Heat, beat, repeat, brother.
Hello John
For my oppinion you solved all Problems you had by building this log
Dont be so critic with yourself
99,9 % cant even forge a Tip at a round Bar.
So you log is good looks good and the key it always unic in style and shape 👍😊
Have a good new week and a lot of fun
Yours Frank
I know exactly how you feel about it,it can be frustrating but one must perceive.
The highs n lows make us all better at what we do. Thank you for showing us ur struggles
Hi I John! You sounded a little "upset".....perhaps that's the "key". Thanks for sharing and have a happy day!
Like to see you struggle the same as some of us do with new techniques , so don't sweat it
Locks are made only to keep honest people honest! Thanks for the great vid's. Keep up the great work.
Seeing this 3 part lock series. I can say i understand knives but not lock. We all got problems. But always enjoy watching you working👍👍👍👍
John, thank you for showing a project that didn't go as planned. We get to see what we'll run into if we don't learn from your mistake. I think watching a mistake and its correction is almost as good as making the mistake & correction myself, but with much less gnashing of _my_ teeth.
The second edition of "The Spruce Forge Manual of Locksmithing" should be available in December 2020 and will cover many more locks than the first edition does (according to the guy at Artisan Ideas). Edit: I plan on buying the second edition too!
still a great video! Thanks so much for all you do. For some reason I hadn't thought about turning the drill press vise when drilling to make any inconsistencies minimal. So I learned more than just making a key for the lock. Thank you!
Any lock can be broken given interest and time... Looks great, would be nice for a bear gate.
Congrats on another great project! It's helpful to see you work through a problem, I know I've spent plenty of time chasing an issue back and forth (too thick, draw it out, too thin, upset it, too thick again, etc.), and it's good to see everyone faces those challenges.
The key is what I wanted to see how it was made. I know how it is, I can fix it instead of starting over. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for showing us the process, misstep and all. Sometimes when I follow along at-home, The smiths' that I watch seem to always get it right the first time. They never show their mistakes, or how they fix them. I personally learn more when mistakes are made. Somehow mistakes feel more authentic. It may have been frustrating for you, but know that we appreciate your perseverance. Again thank you
I was a Locksmith for ten years and never made a lock in all that time ;-) FYI they key was usually made before the lock so that it could be tested as the lock was built. particularly with warded designs
I know it's painful to watch yourself making mistakes. But thank you for still putting out the video. It's often more educational when watching a talented smith, as yourself, fix problems as they arise. Thank you for sharing.
good math lesson
Wow..very cool...thanks for not pretending everything went smooth and showing us that if you are persistant you can sometimes make it work.
Sir you don't mess up often but sometimes it's a lesson for them you are teaching.
Does has little things that must fit nearly perfect.
Always a good lesson Sir I love this.
Thanks
This whole project turned out great ! I can envision this lock being right at home on a mastermyr tool chest.
Thanks for this great video.
And, keeping it real.
(Not editing troubles out)
Knowing not everyone has the extra materials or realization that even "the pro's" don't just slide everything right together.
Good job two points for getting it done
Learn something from all your videos John! You are a great teacher!
Yep learned something, and you are right I have seen that too on my channel. You see so much more in editing thanks for the videos!
Awesome series John, always enjoy seeing how you deal with the bumps in the road. Can't wait to see what comes next!
John,
Since you have provided so many excellent tips on fabrication I would like to share one that you and others may find useful for drilling holes along the axis of round or hex stock. Put the stock in the drill press and clamp the drill bit in the vise point up to drill the hole. The drill bit can be aligned by lightly clamping it in the drill chuck backwards then lowering and clamping the shank in the drill vise. Works like a champ - poor man's lathe.
Love your channel
Jimmy Johnson
That’s a very clever tip, cannot see any reason it wouldn’t work!
I in joy your show
Wow! With all the difficulties, no cuss words!
Editing work wonders
Great Video John!
Thank you.
Thank you allowing us to see you struggle. We tend to learn more from mistakes.
John thank you so much for showing you're struggle with the key and yes we all deal with struggles in our lives that's what makes us all human. 🤪👍
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Just a thought...and I haven’t thought about this enough... but it might be higher security, and easier to fabricate if you incorporated a pin into the key and a hole in the bolt. So, just have a large, round center post on the bolt, with a small hole (or two) next to the post. For the key, just have a hole going right up the center (like you started yours with) and braise on a little pin to the side of the key, running parallel to the shaft. That little pin on the key goes down in the little hole in the bolt. Now all you’ve got in the lock is a round center peg that would be really hard to turn with needle nose pliers.
Hi John thanks for showing the mistakes and how to fix them.
This is one project I will enjoy doing when I get back to the shed. :)
Glad to help
Thanks for sharing with us John. Enjoyed the series of videos on this lock making. 👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I think an interesting variation would be to braze or forge the pipe around a nut in the middle of the lock. You could then keep the pin threaded through that nut and turn it with the key from the pivot end. That would keep all the parts connected and add a little security by making the key profile harder to see deep in the lock.
That's a good idea
Excellent! Great to watch a master have the same kind of day I have sometimes at the forge.
I enjoyed seeing you make this padlock. Great video series, as always.
The key looked like the hardest part of the whole thing. Cool project. Thank you sir
I think it was in this case.
I always learn something from your videos, even watching your mistakes is a learning process. Last time I made a key, it took me ten times before I finally got the process right and the look to be presentable. Lots of mistakes, but lots of learning. Keep up the good work!
Really enjoyed this lock series, it's given me several ideas. Great job sir and keep up the good work
Really helpful and reassuring to see you struggle. Reminds us all to be patient and keep trying. Thank you, John.
Very good series
I have a small Wilton vise that the jaws are missing, it left a step at the bottom of the jaws on each side, perfect for holding anything bigger than 1/4" and have a solid bottom so it doesn't creep down in the jaws when you have to tap on the top of the project.
its amazing how what some people consider broken can become a useful feature
Another possibility to make the key... Upset the end of the key, drill slightly oversize hole, insert bolt and draw down key using bolt as a tiny mandrel to fit.
Great series! You setup for the close up shots looked amazing!
Anazing craftmanship 👍👍
It works. Thanks John.
Many people struggle then quit . They think it's supposed to come easy , but we must learn . If it can stand up to a bolt cutter it's good enough for me . That's what they use around here , but a lock pretty much stops the kids any body else it's through the window
A trick I use when trying to "fit" the end of a bolt: I add a second nut and cut washer. so that the nut will clamp in the vice with the cutwasher riding the top of the vice. That way you don't keep driving the key down through the vice.
Excellent job love the video
G’day John, great production as usual. Thank you. You mentioned needle-nose pliers a few times as a way to easily beat this lock. How about necking down or adding a welded on plate to the key end that is sized to the diameter of the key so that nothing bigger than the key is able to be used? Should make it more secure, however would mean a bit more precision with key/bolt alignment. Keep up the good work.
Great project, you gave me an incredible urge to try doing one myself
After watching you try to form that shape in the end I noticed that as soon as you put the heated end on the die it almost instantly cooled. Try heating up the die next time a little.
Great series John. Love the practical trial and error.
enjoyed it 👍
When I am clamping threaded do dads I always use 2 nuts with a large fender washer tightened between them and only chuck up the bottom nut with the fender washer on top of the vise jaws. It helps keep it vertical as well as it won't slide down in the vise.
That's a good idea!
Not stubborn, determined.
Very enjoyable series; very informative too! I should be receiving the book next week sometime and will start on one of these. Thanks!
All part of the learning process, I think you did a fine job and I learned a lot. Fun project lots of possibilities.
Wow that’s a very cool design there great video as always keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend forge on
Cool beans John and looks like a lock I have no desire to make 😀 but sure enjoyed watching you conquer the project.
His persistent is very admirable, understandable but a lil frustrating (sympathetic frustration)
My heart starts beating faster when i see the notifications from your channel.😀
Thanks for keeping it real!
Made two used 1/2 for key and just flattened hasp at the hinge point thanks for your instructions again
Finally! Great project. Looking forward on finishing my own.
I've been waiting for this. It's definitely a lot of fun watching.
Glad you enjoy it!
John - it’s quite ironic to me your comment about seeing your work from different angles and how that helps you to know what you can do better next time. Learning blacksmithing via TH-cam poses that same ‘view’ but rather than being helpful it can often be hurtful. I found quickly that one of my greatest challenges was being able to see my work in-process and make it look like the views I see on the creators channel. Too often the view is meant to capture the attention of a casual observer rather than to educate the apprentice. I know this is a silly point and I may be the only one with this opinion, but I’ve wondered if a top down view at the anvil wouldn’t be more instructional. Either way I’ll keep watching and practicing.
You talked about making the lock somewhat tamper resistant by making the bolt and key a triangular shape... You may have already thought of this but to make it a bit more tamper resistant you sound forge weld a solid round
Round stock slice in the lock end that receives the key with a shaped hole centered that has just enough room to allow the Ken to pass through...
My dad once told me locks are only there to keep honest people out
Ha-ha that goes for gun control also !
@@markspc1
Definition of "gun control":
1. Visually clearing the background of your shot in case you miss or your shot goes through your target
2. Learning the skill to hit what you are aiming at.
You could also upset the end used for the triangle to have extra meat to work with
A thought. What about placing the end of your bolt into the triangle swage and the key over the bolt to form it in the swage around the triangle bolt?
The bolt just falls out. Not enough contact surface
A heart shaped key, hmmmm..... doesn't sound like a hand cuff for prisoners!!!!!😜
Thanks John ! Could you drive the key with the round hole over the bolt and then forge the key around the bolt? Just thinking
Yes, but the bolt would have to be sized smaller than I started with
could you have used the bolt as a drift while you were shaping the key in the triangle swage?
It was to short to stay in place
John, correct me if I'm wrong, but is the hinge on the one from the spruce forge manual just a split in the pipe forged open? It doesn't look like a collar welded/brazed on, but its hard to tell on my phone.
Yes, this was a different approach so as not to directly copy their lock
@@BlackBearForge right. And well done. I think I like the look of the brazed collar. It adds a weighty look to the lock. Keep up the great work!
Couldnt you have drilled the hole heated it up then stuck in the triangle peice and then put it all in the swage and molded your key directly to the male end ?😁
The threaded end is so much larger it just falls out
@@BlackBearForge oh ok i see now i didnt realize the original hole was smaller my bad. Well then maybe if you used the right sized peice of pipe to slide on to the key handle end forge weld or hot hold the handle to the pipe peice that way you can make up a bunch of handles then what ever style of end as you go without use of the drill press . and if it was me personally i would use reverse thread anything to prevent possible tampering. I also think a square twist or octagon would look awesome the direction of the twist indicating the way to open the lock .skull head dragon head wizard matching styles to the lock you could even slide the pipe over barstock and make textures or scales or eyes teeth with punches similar to tooling leather
Send this to the lock picking lawyer
John ! I would fallow you into war !
Where was this lock used on the barn door to keep the animals from unlatching it?
i suspect you wouldn't have to worry about them unlatching it if it's bolted together
@@captainfancypants4933 I realised where I have seen these locks. Prisoners shackles in this part of the world. I suppose they do not have nose pliers conveniently around.
:D
Hi you could have used a triangle file in the vice a tap it down it would work think outside the box