I grew up using DEET, it works, but it ruined gear. Since then for years I've used nothing and just suffered. Mosquitos and chiggers love me, ticks not so much. I am definitely going to give the Picaridin a try.
I found your video because I wanted to know how to pronounce picaridin. I’m still not fully sold on your pronunciation but I like it! And I love this product. I got it after getting Lyme disease earlier this year. And the main symptom of Lyme, for me, was for pain. So I was pretty motivated to not get Lyme again. I was surprised how much this helped with all insects that like to bite. I feel like I can wear shorts and short sleeves again which is so nice
Two things: 1. I just picked up a bottle of the Sawyer Picaridin Lotion last night. 2. I am very happy that you conducted this review! I don't live in the back countries or go camping a lot, but I am primarily a night time photographer, and I am in different types of environments; ALL have mosquitoes, some have chiggers and ticks. After seemingly have exhausted every brand of aerosol spray mosquito repellent, only to find that my pockets were once again emptied out on a useless product I decided to do more research. The lesson you have in your review video I've never heard of that brand, yet I went to product reviews and people could not stop speaking good about it! I'm looking forward to testing it out later on this evening on a night shoot!
@@D1amondeyes No kidding, all three products worked RIDICULOUSLY well! The Repel Lemon Eucalyptus Spray is the "weakest". By this statement I mean I had to reapply the spray after 4 and 1/2 hours of being outside, taking shots in the dark, right around the dismal swamp! So the weakest of my three sprays is still stronger than any aerosol repellent that I've ever used! The sawyers repellant that you apply on the clothes is definitely a five-star product, along with their lotion repellent application! I honestly don't know why Sawyer's isn't advertised a lot more than the other commercial aerosol brands that are weaker! 👍 Before I go out shooting photography, every night I have had one of the three products and have had zero problems ever since! 👍
Sawyer Picaridin is the ONLY thing we use for topical applications. It is the best! We recommend this to everyone on our channel. We treat our clothes with Pymetherin and between the 2, we are usually 99.9% free of bug issues and ticks!
Great video, I actually use that Repel Sportsmen Max and it does come in a lotion. I use Sawyer the yellow bottle stuff on my gear. I use that same organic stuff you have on my kids as well, but my youngest gets bit no matter what it seems. Never was a fan of Off. Great topic many people over look, they just grab a can of whatever and think it works.
I used that sawyer picardin lotion on a trip to the jungle in Mexico and it was fantastic. I think i found 1 bite after a week. All the warning labels on the back kinda freaked me out but it works.
question : what happen if I mix both DEET and Picaridine together in one Lotion ? will it have a serious side effect ? or it double the protection ? or it will canceling out each other ?
I've used the Sawyer stuff and even their Family stuff, which, ironically, I think does have something like 20% Deet in that lotion (my wife and I were careful to apply it to them ourselves and kept it off their hands) and found it to be pretty good. We've also been using the Natrapel stuff lately, which also uses Picaridin, and have found it to be effective enough. I was worried how bad the mosquitos were going to be going up to Allsop, but was pleasantly surprised to find that only a couple would bother me at any one time. There were never any swarms of them as I've experienced at places like Ruth Lake, Wall Lake, etc...(I think the majority of mosquitos know where there are more crowds of people and like to hang out with them there...j/k). But seriously, I'm not sure if it was the pemethrin treatment I did on my clothing prior to that trip, or what, but I never was bothered enough to pull out my small bottle of Natrapel or my headnet on that Allsop trip.
I've been using Bens 100% deet. It works great, instantly repels bugs. I'll try the picaridin, seems like having a lotion would be a good idea. Thanks for the tip.
Reading about it Picaridin seems to be more effective against mosquitoes/flies than ticks. I'll go with Deet with ticks. Thanks for this though, I'll look for the lotion one too!
Brand names are not important, it's the percentage of deet. 98% or more repels the mosquitos or black flies no matter how thick they are. It varies depending on where you are and those natural repellents don't work when the mosquitos are real bad. My wife and I were on a fishing trip up in Canada a few years ago and the mosquitos were bigger, thicker and more aggressive than I ever thought possible. 98% deet was the only thing that stopped them. Some people told me that 30% deet worked as well.
Can't speak for their lotion, but I can for their pump spray, and you missed what I found to be one of the biggest pluses of all...other than the fact that it works well(in my experience picaridin products have worked loads better than any DEET product). It doesn't stink, whenever I used the pump spray I could smell it when it came out and was settling on the skin, but probably less than a minute and any scent from it was gone. When I no longer found it at our target(always had the lowest price) I opted for REPEL's Lemon Eucalyptus spray, and while it doesn't have as bad of a smell as DEET, it certainly doesn't smell good to me, and continues to stink for hours on end(nose seems incapable of ignoring it after a while, like it would other obnoxious scents). Not good when you're looking for brief protection of an absolute maximum of maybe 3 hours(more likely 2 or less).
As I said can't speak for the lotion, but if you're asking about the pump spray, I'd say it dries like most sprays. There is a noticeable layer with the spray, though I wouldn't say it's obnoxious in that way...just that if you pay attention you will see and possibly feel the difference. Emphasis on possibly as in my experience you have to be focusing on it to realize it, or have put a lot on. The spray hasn't ever felt greasy though, which was one of my fears of the lotion and I am usually only going for 1-4 hours of protection tops.
I sleep about 6 - 10 hours, I noticed that with Deet it seems to last all night long before mosquitos attack me again. I gotta test this stuff out, but I expect it to last no more than 9 hours. 14 hours may be the max and so they were probably able to put it on the label similar to how with food if it's 70%+ organic it can actually be labeled organic (do not go through google, just get a job in agriculture, food science, food chemistry, dietetics or food production if you wanna know the actual truth), the "95%" was made to make the public feel better about purchasing organic foods, but yeah, sorry to burst the bubble of any organic food fans out there, but I digress. Still tho, 8 - 9 hours is a solid amount of time, enough to convince me to start using it.
I want to know also, it's just my guess that since chemical sunscreens like avobenzone disintegrate so quickly anyway, I'd rather use it with the mineral sunscreens like zinc oxide. Just a red head who hates bugs and sunburns though, not an expert.
I find DEET isn't effective. Works for maybe an hour then I get bit again. I actually tested it at cabin. Spray on arm, watched mossy land on arm shortly after
Good video. Aside from the safety aspects DEET doesn’t work against all mosquitoes whereas incognito natural anti mosquito sprays, lotion & suncreams all tested 100% effective many different species
@@JustinCasey216 It may work for you in the areas you go to however scientific studies prove that it no longer works 100% against all species of mosquito eg anopheles albamanus
My DEET is liquid. But I have heard of this being used in real bug counrty. But DEET is what is used when bugs really need to be repelled but the picardin can prove it's self..
@@BackcountryExposure FYI we actually recommend applying the sunscreen first. The trick to a comfortable and effective application of sunscreen is to put it on at least 10 minutes before sun exposure. This will allow ample time for the sunscreen to fully absorb into the skin before your body gets warm out and about in the sun. Once the sunscreen has dried, you can apply the insect repellent. Sprays are often most convenient but a nice comfortable topical insect repellent lotion will typically last longer and also be more resilient to swimming and other active use. Our SPF 30 is a very breathable and long lasting formula that pairs better with insect repellent than most other sunscreens on the market. You can learn more about the Sawyer Sunscreen Difference at sawyer.com/sunscreen/
Permethrin is the best. Harmless for fabrics and humans. You put it on clothes and it survives multiple washes. Or 70 washes if you send it in to insect guard to get applied
It is an insecticide, not a repellent. It also needs to dry for 2-4 hours. I think it will kill any bug that touches it. Coat your tents and sleeping bags.
@@jessicah3450 it's only dangerous when wet around cats.. You're supposed to spray it outside and wait 3hrs to dry. It wears off in 6 washes or 45 days
@@BackcountryExposure lol well it's not about a lab or scientist I mean, gotta try on the product and give us field tests. I usualy use deet but have tried alternatives. Picaridin isn't really available in Canada but I can order it online. Repellents without deet don't seem to work
25% DEET works for about 6-8 hours against the Aedes aegypti which causes dengue. But can still depend on the type of human skin it was applied to. I swear by the efficacy of DEET. Picaridin and IR3535, not so much. But still it may depend on the base used in the formulatiom of the product.
I grew up using DEET, it works, but it ruined gear. Since then for years I've used nothing and just suffered. Mosquitos and chiggers love me, ticks not so much. I am definitely going to give the Picaridin a try.
do not confuse natural with safe ..... arsenic is natural .
Thank you for this comment.
Underrated!!! Thank you so much for your amazing content, keep it up boss
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"A mosquito landed in my... food!"
Off camera: "What a dick."
I found your video because I wanted to know how to pronounce picaridin. I’m still not fully sold on your pronunciation but I like it! And I love this product. I got it after getting Lyme disease earlier this year. And the main symptom of Lyme, for me, was for pain. So I was pretty motivated to not get Lyme again. I was surprised how much this helped with all insects that like to bite. I feel like I can wear shorts and short sleeves again which is so nice
Good info. Sawyer for the win. I agree the spray for the camp and gear and the lotion for the skin
Yeah totally agree!
For real!
Two things: 1. I just picked up a bottle of the Sawyer Picaridin Lotion last night. 2. I am very happy that you conducted this review!
I don't live in the back countries or go camping a lot, but I am primarily a night time photographer, and I am in different types of environments; ALL have mosquitoes, some have chiggers and ticks. After seemingly have exhausted every brand of aerosol spray mosquito repellent, only to find that my pockets were once again emptied out on a useless product I decided to do more research.
The lesson you have in your review video I've never heard of that brand, yet I went to product reviews and people could not stop speaking good about it! I'm looking forward to testing it out later on this evening on a night shoot!
How did it go?
@@D1amondeyes No kidding, all three products worked RIDICULOUSLY well!
The Repel Lemon Eucalyptus Spray is the "weakest". By this statement I mean I had to reapply the spray after 4 and 1/2 hours of being outside, taking shots in the dark, right around the dismal swamp! So the weakest of my three sprays is still stronger than any aerosol repellent that I've ever used! The sawyers repellant that you apply on the clothes is definitely a five-star product, along with their lotion repellent application!
I honestly don't know why Sawyer's isn't advertised a lot more than the other commercial aerosol brands that are weaker! 👍 Before I go out shooting photography, every night I have had one of the three products and have had zero problems ever since! 👍
@@adibee88 does the Sawyers repellent that you spray on close stain clothing?
Good review of the options. I use a deet based lotion but I'd like to try the picardin honestly.
I've just had deep do damage to my gear enough times that I've said bye bye to it.
@@BackcountryExposure same
Sawyer Picaridin is the ONLY thing we use for topical applications. It is the best! We recommend this to everyone on our channel. We treat our clothes with Pymetherin and between the 2, we are usually 99.9% free of bug issues and ticks!
Great video, I actually use that Repel Sportsmen Max and it does come in a lotion. I use Sawyer the yellow bottle stuff on my gear. I use that same organic stuff you have on my kids as well, but my youngest gets bit no matter what it seems. Never was a fan of Off. Great topic many people over look, they just grab a can of whatever and think it works.
Yeah gotta try several options and see what works best for you.
Swamp Gator works great. Blood thirsty insects love me but with swamp gator I can enjoy the outdoors...
Can u do a review on lemon eucalyptus bug spray ?
Is the Sawyer product good when swimming or does it have to be reapplied?
I used that sawyer picardin lotion on a trip to the jungle in Mexico and it was fantastic. I think i found 1 bite after a week. All the warning labels on the back kinda freaked me out but it works.
What the warnings say?
question : what happen if I mix both DEET and Picaridine together in one Lotion ? will it have a serious side effect ? or it double the protection ? or it will canceling out each other ?
I've used the Sawyer stuff and even their Family stuff, which, ironically, I think does have something like 20% Deet in that lotion (my wife and I were careful to apply it to them ourselves and kept it off their hands) and found it to be pretty good. We've also been using the Natrapel stuff lately, which also uses Picaridin, and have found it to be effective enough. I was worried how bad the mosquitos were going to be going up to Allsop, but was pleasantly surprised to find that only a couple would bother me at any one time. There were never any swarms of them as I've experienced at places like Ruth Lake, Wall Lake, etc...(I think the majority of mosquitos know where there are more crowds of people and like to hang out with them there...j/k). But seriously, I'm not sure if it was the pemethrin treatment I did on my clothing prior to that trip, or what, but I never was bothered enough to pull out my small bottle of Natrapel or my headnet on that Allsop trip.
Would sunblock affect it in any way?
I think this works pretty good, but does this burn a bit on anyone else?
Thanks for the review! I haven't tried the lotion yet, but I have looked into it. I also sent you a pm for another possible collaboration.
Good to know thanks Devin.
Cheers brother!
But is this stuff good for no-see-ums? I hike in Belize and those little black flies are horrible!
Thanks for sharing!!!!
Sawyer's Picardin did work for me when I traveled to Central America. I highly recommend it.
I love it too.
@@BackcountryExposure Your video is what made me buy this product for my trip. Thanks for posting.
Have you tried the Swamp Gator stuff? We just got some but haven't had a chance to use it yet.
I have not tried it. I'll check it out though.
If you are hiking in Scotland, Smidge brand contains picaridin. Can’t say it has worked for me (nothing does) but other swear by it.
I used to use Off with deet in Nebraska. It seemed like it actually attracted the mosquitoes. I might get some picaridin to try it for the next BBQ
Those Nebraska skeeters are a special breed!
they attack in formation 😆
Mosquitoes in Texas are that desperate for blood too 😐 Happy to see it's not just me, but sorry you're still getting bitten up.
I've been using Bens 100% deet. It works great, instantly repels bugs. I'll try the picaridin, seems like having a lotion would be a good idea. Thanks for the tip.
Reading about it Picaridin seems to be more effective against mosquitoes/flies than ticks. I'll go with Deet with ticks. Thanks for this though, I'll look for the lotion one too!
Jessyca Roy Landry picardirin for bugs, clothing and shoes get treated with permethrin. That is how it’s done.
Sawyer Picaridin does not work in the southern swamps, the most effective I have found is Repel Sportsmen Max pump with deet.
Where was this video when I went through tick-a-geddon last week! 😂
It was sitting on my hard drive...
🤣
I tried this too. Love it
I’m going to Ecuador. Got any tips for the jungle???
Wear light layers that wick sweat and protect your skin.
Brand names are not important, it's the percentage of deet. 98% or more repels the mosquitos or black flies no matter how thick they are. It varies depending on where you are and those natural repellents don't work when the mosquitos are real bad. My wife and I were on a fishing trip up in Canada a few years ago and the mosquitos were bigger, thicker and more aggressive than I ever thought possible. 98% deet was the only thing that stopped them. Some people told me that 30% deet worked as well.
Can't speak for their lotion, but I can for their pump spray, and you missed what I found to be one of the biggest pluses of all...other than the fact that it works well(in my experience picaridin products have worked loads better than any DEET product). It doesn't stink, whenever I used the pump spray I could smell it when it came out and was settling on the skin, but probably less than a minute and any scent from it was gone.
When I no longer found it at our target(always had the lowest price) I opted for REPEL's Lemon Eucalyptus spray, and while it doesn't have as bad of a smell as DEET, it certainly doesn't smell good to me, and continues to stink for hours on end(nose seems incapable of ignoring it after a while, like it would other obnoxious scents). Not good when you're looking for brief protection of an absolute maximum of maybe 3 hours(more likely 2 or less).
MooTaters do you find that this soaks in to the skin like a typical lotion?
As I said can't speak for the lotion, but if you're asking about the pump spray, I'd say it dries like most sprays. There is a noticeable layer with the spray, though I wouldn't say it's obnoxious in that way...just that if you pay attention you will see and possibly feel the difference. Emphasis on possibly as in my experience you have to be focusing on it to realize it, or have put a lot on. The spray hasn't ever felt greasy though, which was one of my fears of the lotion and I am usually only going for 1-4 hours of protection tops.
I sleep about 6 - 10 hours, I noticed that with Deet it seems to last all night long before mosquitos attack me again. I gotta test this stuff out, but I expect it to last no more than 9 hours. 14 hours may be the max and so they were probably able to put it on the label similar to how with food if it's 70%+ organic it can actually be labeled organic (do not go through google, just get a job in agriculture, food science, food chemistry, dietetics or food production if you wanna know the actual truth), the "95%" was made to make the public feel better about purchasing organic foods, but yeah, sorry to burst the bubble of any organic food fans out there, but I digress. Still tho, 8 - 9 hours is a solid amount of time, enough to convince me to start using it.
Can you use these with sunscreen ?
I want to know also, it's just my guess that since chemical sunscreens like avobenzone disintegrate so quickly anyway, I'd rather use it with the mineral sunscreens like zinc oxide. Just a red head who hates bugs and sunburns though, not an expert.
Mosquito landed in my food... “what a dick”
citronella doesn't do sh#t. Lab test have proven that it doesn't work any better than water to repel insects.
I find DEET isn't effective. Works for maybe an hour then I get bit again. I actually tested it at cabin. Spray on arm, watched mossy land on arm shortly after
I agree Mike. It's because some mosquito species are resistant to DEET so unlike PMD it doesn't protect against all mosquitoes
Good video. Aside from the safety aspects DEET doesn’t work against all mosquitoes whereas incognito natural anti mosquito sprays, lotion & suncreams all tested 100% effective many different species
I call complete bs on that. Coming from someone who has tried all repellents available online or not
@@JustinCasey216 It may work for you in the areas you go to however scientific studies prove that it no longer works 100% against all species of mosquito eg anopheles albamanus
@@howardcarter3362 yeah I've noticed. I still get bit every now and again by other types of mosquitoes
@@JustinCasey216 I've walked through a swarm of mosquitoes wearing incognito anti-mosquito in Hi and not a single bite1
My DEET is liquid. But I have heard of this being used in real bug counrty. But DEET is what is used when bugs really need to be repelled but the picardin can prove it's self..
The Picaridin has been super effective for me. Deet has a major downside of damaging outerwear and Picaridin won’t do that.
I'm going on a overnight school trip and we have to get bug spray with under 10 deets
lol. Why would the school care? Deet poisoning? Ha
Honestly I prefer the less deet I use 7.5 and don't have to apply it as much .. I think the stronger it is, the more frequent you'll have to apply it
how does it effect sun screen?
Yosef621 you can apply sunscreen after.
@@BackcountryExposure FYI we actually recommend applying the sunscreen first.
The trick to a comfortable and effective application of sunscreen is to put it on at least 10 minutes before sun exposure. This will allow ample time for the sunscreen to fully absorb into the skin before your body gets warm out and about in the sun. Once the sunscreen has dried, you can apply the insect repellent.
Sprays are often most convenient but a nice comfortable topical insect repellent lotion will typically last longer and also be more resilient to swimming and other active use. Our SPF 30 is a very breathable and long lasting formula that pairs better with insect repellent than most other sunscreens on the market.
You can learn more about the Sawyer Sunscreen Difference at sawyer.com/sunscreen/
ĎEET is proven. But this would be interesting to try.
Try it! I dare you!
Backcountry Exposure going to Alaska in a few day so may
Sawyer is the only thing works for us in Puerto Rico
isnt picardin a poison that can be absorbed into your skin
You ever find out if it is
I heard only 6% absorption compared to deets 18%
Permethrin is the best. Harmless for fabrics and humans. You put it on clothes and it survives multiple washes. Or 70 washes if you send it in to insect guard to get applied
It is an insecticide, not a repellent. It also needs to dry for 2-4 hours. I think it will kill any bug that touches it. Coat your tents and sleeping bags.
It's not safe around pets though, and the fact that it doesn't wash off easily worries me about my cats getting exposed.
@@jessicah3450 it's only dangerous when wet around cats.. You're supposed to spray it outside and wait 3hrs to dry. It wears off in 6 washes or 45 days
Also if you take vitamin E say about a week before you go out in the back country it also is a good de torrent against mosquitoes to.
Right on! Good to know.
I take that daily and mosquitoes love me 😕
You didnt actually test any of these products in your video! We need quality control tests or it's all bs lol
🙄 sorry for not being a scientist with a lab…
@@BackcountryExposure lol well it's not about a lab or scientist I mean, gotta try on the product and give us field tests. I usualy use deet but have tried alternatives. Picaridin isn't really available in Canada but I can order it online. Repellents without deet don't seem to work
25% DEET works for about 6-8 hours against the Aedes aegypti which causes dengue. But can still depend on the type of human skin it was applied to. I swear by the efficacy of DEET. Picaridin and IR3535, not so much. But still it may depend on the base used in the formulatiom of the product.
no demo no good
David as in you want me to lather myself up with bug repellent?