Fahrenheit 451 - Dystopias and Apocalypses - Extra Sci Fi
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- Ray Bradbury not only cautions against censorship (the primary theme of Fahrenheit 451), but offers interesting commentary on who censors works at all, and why humans do it anyway.
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Fahrenheit 451 is about many things. In Bradbury's younger days, just coming
out of the McCarthy era, he said the book was about censorship and book burning. Later in life, he said it was about the dangers of easy entertainment. Let's analyze these viewpoints a little further.
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I like how you showed Sandman, that comic is basically a novel with pictures... which is also what comics are
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"You dont have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them."
-Ray Bradbury
"You dont have to ban all guns to destroy individual liberty. Just get people to stop buying them due to insane amount of paperwork."
-Every anti-gun people
Internet Troll I disagree wholeheartedly
Internet Troll what?
@@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122 "You don't have to outlaw abortion. Just get people to sue the abortion clinics and the mothers."
-Every anti-abortion people
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i love that part of F451 where they made airpods
but that actually happened
I renamed my BT headphones "Seashells" because of this. It's wild to think about.
@@Gogobgo XD
It’s actually scary how much from the book came true
he also predicgted chatrooms and" reality"TV
You meant Celsius 233?
Or Kelvin 506(.15)?
LOL
Nice one
or texas in winter
"You dont have to ban all guns to destroy individual liberty. Just get people to stop buying them due to insane amount of paperwork."
-Every anti-gun people
I swear ray Bradbury saw the future he got so many tiny details right like the sea shell earbuds
Sadly a lot of classical books, books I read as part of my Jr High curriculum have been banned from schools because their content was "offensive". The Adventures Of Huckleberry Finn, To Kill a Mocking Bird, and so on. American Classics that addresses the state of America at their times and gave criticism where criticism was due. Wouldn't be surprised if some schools tried to ban the Holocaust novel Night.
Christian Jones daaaang, where do you go to school. Where I go to school the bigger problem is relying more on technology. Those books are straight classics so that’s really saf
I was actually REQUIRED to read to kill a mockingbird and night in middle school
With some of those ban choices I'd want know your geographic location. I could possibly see Huckleberry Finn getting dropped in favor of a modern book, with a modern setting, with similar literary and societal merits.
However "To Kill a Mockingbird" is often a target of efforts to ban, and usually in the most racists and bigoted areas of America. Although there are some criticisms to
ironically Fahrenheit 451 is one of the most challenged books due to the cursing.
Well to be fair Huckleberry Finn did say the n word a lot
“Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”
~Heinrich Heine
I'm just thinking knd.
"You dont have to ban all guns to destroy individual liberty. Just get people to stop buying them due to insane amount of paperwork."
-Every anti-gun people
Sounds about right, in the days of Joan of Arc that weren't all that many books.
But in the end, every person is a collection of ideas and images in some way
Esalinéa se la atribuye a Nostradamus
Montag be like:
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OKAY I'LL STOP NOW.
Harrison Lee is also love to see what they could do if they’d cover Philip K. Dick, he’s written some of the most profound and important Sci-fi of the 20th century, like do androids dream of electric sheep and Man in the High Castle, and many Hollywood movies are based off his works like blade runners, a scanners darkly, things like that. I’d love to hear there take on him.
I would also say look into major examples of Japanese cyberpunk like Battle Angel Alita, Ghost in the Shell and Akira.
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@@garrettallen7427 AI everything was removed economy mass growth
Important note: Most of the buildings are completely fire proof in the world presented in 451. So what burns is the items in them not the building itself.
I’m pretty sure there’s a quote in Fahrenheit 451 where one of the characters outright states that the TVs *could* have better programs, but they don’t. So I feel like you misinterpreted Bradbury’s point about easy-to-consume media.
Keep in mind that this book was written in the 50s. There was barely anything challenging on TV back then.
Bradbury went on to host a TV show of his own in an attempt to combat the dumbing down of media that he saw, so it’s clearly not the medium itself that he had a problem with.
SirSoliloquy well also he was confronting “reader’s digest” and “paper back” culture which we don’t have in the same way anymore. Paperback copies now a days are exact 1:1 of the hardback, in the time when this was written they could re-edit the book so they would be shorter or easier to read...
You're correct, I don't have the book on hand, but I'm pretty certain Faber mentions how television could have depth, but it's unwanted.
I'll throw my 2 cents in and say this- 451 is important for one really special reason: Totalitarianism doesn't magically appear, it has to start as a popular movement so if you want to stop the events the you read in these dystopian novels you have to make sure that you're their to counter it when it starts.
it's basically 1984
In the past century, many have tried telling us where our world is headed. Yet nobody ever listens.
Now I see where the movie Equilibrium got it's inspiration from.
Darkness comes in many forms. The worst forms are those disguised as benevolence.
I used to think that film was an imitation of 1984 (in the sense of sincere flattery) till I found out about F451. To my mind it's a near perfect amalgamation of the two
I read that book in school two years ago, it's a very interesting book
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*You cant escape me*
I like your politics
Me too.
The movie isn't bad either.
I found the concepts interesting but i found the book annoying to read near the end of the book.
The book Fahrenheit 451 being censored is the biggest irony that could happen to it.
“You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.”
-Ray Bradbury
Thing is, Guy Montag did become antisocial and wrapped from reading all those books he hoarded. His wife even complained to her friends before his arrest that all he did recently was to read and avoid talking to her.
Bradbury’s works are iconic to me. I hope one day I may be able to make books as amazing as his. Thank you guys for covering this stuff.
I wonder how Bradbury would feel about audio books.
Easy to consume and they let you do more than one thing, but the book remains (usually) all intact.
@@Highice007 XKCD had a comic where some book burners bought kindle editions of all the ones they wanted to burn because they were cheaper.
They died of toxic fume inhalation. And nothing of value was lost.
I'm so tickled to see the Sandman by Neil Gaiman in your very limited list of notable texts.
Woo! BONE comic at 6:18! I loved those books.
Shout out to illustrator for the Bones cameo. Not enough people have read that series
1:53 Its weird that Bradbury dissed comics. Ironically my first introduction to Ray Bradbury was a paperback reprint of EC Comics' Bradbury adaptations
We literally just did this for school I love this book so much. Thr movie is good to.
Did you use heavy flamer as you burn those heretic books?
@@johnnymechavez429 HA Ha Ha that's funny of course not we exterminatused the planet.
Celsius 233*
So, Ray Bradbury equated comics with illiteracy in Fahrenheit 451? That's really rich considering he didn't mind EC Comics adapting his stories into their SF comics once the publisher acknowledged his work and paid him.
Ray Bradbury would be disgusted by what's going on nowadays.
Question: If video games existed in the world of Farenheir 451, what are their versions of skill books and scrolls in fantasy RPGs?
Appropriate that this comes out when I'm in the middle of rewatching Code Geass. Definitely quality material
its crazy how accurate this book is too present day
Good to know this channel is a subversive element. Countering arguments with arguments is the cornerstone of western thought, not a "naive argument".
So what is your response to the problem they've raised with this idea in the video?
@@tetrapack24 Stop radical leftists from dictating who can and can't speak or have an opinion.
1. Ironically as a science fiction writer Bradbury disliked and avoided technology. He had a deep suspicion.
2. Being critical of everything isn’t always a good. There is value in ideals.
How much longer before sensitivity readers rewrite Bradbury's book, burning its meaning and impact with invisible fire?
This video is very well done, as is all of your stuff, but I must make an observation about your ending spiel - you keep using the grammatically incorrect "mediums". The plural of "medium" is "media". It's an artefact of the Latin 2nd declension neuter endings.
Quick, what’s the etymologically correct plural form of octopus?
@@chindanaipornsing9033 Octopodes
That ending feels like a hint at some grand extra crossover
I can see looming in the distance an extra credistori-fi where they smash extra credits, extra history, and extra sci-fi together and show the story of someone who made a sci-fi game that impacted the genre
I have been waiting for this episode since extra sci fi was announced
Honestly this season is some of the most interesting stuff I've seen from you guys. Excellent work all around!
I read this in class!
What was that Christian Bale movie? The one that's clearly a retelling of Fahrenheit 451, but with Gun-Fu.
Strangely, this dystopian future of the past have come true in a digital form today.
No ideology should be censored, censorship of one abhorrent ideology allows for the censorship of similar moderate ideologies.
Great video. Lots of truth spoken
I actually have an exam about this soon so thank you so much
but... it's summer
@@SweatierAcorn do you have exams other times?
@@emutv4100 during school
5:41 NICK STILL HAS HIS PURPLE HAIR!!!!!
there hasn't been a perfect film interpretation of this yet
and the crime is that it could be done so easily
i should write down how i saw things when i red it
I loved reading the book I hope more people read this book
6:30 I cringed at the thought of that
Loved this episode!
I prefer Celsius 232
This book sounds quite relevant at the moment
Let them all speak, for the fault lies not with the man but within those who never challenged him.
3:51 I’m confused are you advocating of hate speech laws
Choose long term happiness over short term happiness
Clarisse: Tell me, why do you burn books?
Montag: What? Well, it's a job like any other. Good work with lots of variety. Monday, we burn Miller; Tuesday, Tolstoy; Wednesday, Walt Whitman; Friday, Faulkner; and Saturday and Sunday, Schopenhauer and Satre. "We burn them to ashes and then burn the ashes." that's our official motto.
Montag: What? Well, it's a job like any other. Good work with lots of variety. Monday, we burn Miller; Tuesday, Tolstoy, Wednesday, Walt Whitman, Friday, Faulkner; and Saturday and Sunday, Schopenhauer and Satre. 'We burn them to ashes and then burn the ashes.' that's our official motto.
-Fahrenheit 451, 1966 film
medium is the message, ie how you present content is the quality of the content
Counterpoint: "the medium is the message"... (McLuhan); there are positive and negative points to medium transformation/ I suppose that massification plays a hand at that...
Writing is for the continuity of the message more than the message itself, That's on us.
Can you guys talk about MGS 2 and censorship?
Little extra relevant with certain state governments banning books and expressing certain things, or dressing certain ways :(
3:51 sans skulls confirmed
I find that to be a pretty good conclusive statement
My English class just finished this
6:23 Is that a hint towards a Psycho Pass episode?
Facebook, Twitter, and Google/TH-cam are turning into firemen.
See this is a book that would make a great movie...
As a non-America... What does "McCarthy era" entail, exactly?
Just read this book for my English class
Outside of America it’s called Celsius 232
I love this book only opposed to the English version of Crime and Punishment(I'm weird I know)
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Thank you
It is worse today to make "Man in the High Castle", "Blade Runner" , Flow Tears the Policeman Said" seem like paradises,
Me watching this and absorbing its message. But then watching as the auto-play feature picks my next video.
Perfect explination of the media.
I feel kind of weird, listening to you interpret writers I had to interpret myself. You hand people one set of answers, while I had to build a different set of answers. I worry people don't have the tools to figure out their own answers any more, when they agree with some things but disagree on others.
Paradise Lost summarized in two words : *Daddy Issues*
Extra Credits does a video on s book I'm reading. Where are the cameras?
Civilization came about prior to books. They are an important source of info, but not our only one.
In fairness, the book shows a civilization that's running reasonably well, books aside. Until the end when nukes fall that is but before that it's functioning like a modern society.
This would be the dream of that kid who was forced to go to the library... no that's not me, i love the library
Video games are the best medium.
Scary how I see the images in today's world.
whoa this sounda like the movie equilibrium :\
one of the many reasons im a gamer is because of the story
Comics, TV and porno? Sounds like my perfect dystopia.
Here's a question: which books did nazis burn?
thx agent for being so obvious when spying on me srsly i learned about this 10 hours ago
Sounds similar to Shimoneta.
How is keeping Comics and pornography keep people from rebelling?
Earlier in it you have 4 books that guy has to burn you show sandman as one of them, but you then say comics are legal ,but normal books are illegal.
Bradbury was pretty cool
Wow this video makes Ray Bradbury sounds like an out of touch old man yelling at clouds.
I am reading this!
I think this story is happening now. Listen to most of pop music now is pretty accurate to date
Not just pop music, IT'S EVERYWHERE.
Especially in woke movies.
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 lol what the hell does "woke" mean?
NO!!! Not Discworld!
"If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you'll never learn."
Best quote from the book.
Would’ve been great if this video came out before my Fahrenheit 451 essay final happened
oof
Heck. Yes.
stuff like this happens to me way too many times
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See that's why it's called *Extra Credits* and not just *Credits*
Bradbury himself acknowledged easily accessible media can be fine as long as the content isn't just brainless drech. Hell, He wrote an episode for the Twilight Zone (a show he was a fan of). And he himself grew up on mindless fun fiction like Buck Rodgers and Edgar Rice Burroughs work.
He acknowleded that in Fahrenheit 451 itself.
In Fahrenheit 451 Faber says Montag exactly that.
"You dont have to ban all guns to destroy individual liberty. Just get people to stop buying them due to insane amount of paperwork."
-Every anti-gun people
@@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122 how tf having guns is individual liberty?But yeah it's true.
@@biliminsrlar5752 having of owning a gun is individual liberty.
I love the two-pronged approach to this book.
We as a society have to not just fear a government gone rouge, but putting ourselves in straight-jackets because it's 'safer' that way.
Little extra relevant with certain state governments banning books and expressing certain things, or dressing certain ways.
why is the government red in french
5:18 he died in 2012 so he definitely knew about Smartphones
I'm reasonably sure he meant at the time of writing the book
Comradestalin 48 he thought that is too Many machines thing
World did start going weird since 2012