My first DVD-AUDIO purchase was Queen’s “The Game.” I was hooked from that moment on. Unfortunately I found out about that format towards the end of its distribution period and I was somewhat limited in selection. I ended up buying DVD-AUDIO discs from artists I didn’t like just so I could experience the 5.1 surround sound. I have 55 DVD-AUDIO discs and the last ones I purchased were Snakes and Arrows, Moving Pictures and 2112 from RUSH. It’s an amazing format that has no equal. My most expensive purchase was Signals. I paid over $333 for that disc but I love it. Vinyl is making a decent comeback so maybe.........just maybe the same will happen with DVD-AUDIO. Once you hear that format there’s no going back, it’s that good.
@@anadialog Hahahaha I don’t know why it took so long to reply. I’m definitely crazy with it and my wife is probably going to beat my ass from all of the money I’ve spent on DVD-AUDIO discs. One thing I have realized is that there are more……much more 5.1 releases than I realized. My collection is now well over 120 DVD-AUDIO. Dire Straits “Brothers In Arms”, Porcupine Tree “In Abstentia”, “Deadwing” and Simple Minds “Once Upon A Time” and ELP “Brain Salad Surgery” are my newest purchases. My SUV has a 5.1 surround sound system and these discs are freaking awesome.
Queen's The Game is a phenomenal DVD-Audio release. I have about 30 DVD-Audio discs in my collection. For the most part they are lightyears ahead of their CD counterparts and in my opinion better than SACDs as well. I just wish that the format had become popular.
I have loved DVD-Audio since it came out. My first disc was ELP - Brain Salad Surgery. To this day I still make my own DVD-Audio discs from quadraphonic records and tapes. It is truly a great format. I even bought my first Acura because it would play DVD-A back in 2004. It's unfortunate that the music industry didn't push harder for this format.
Bob Romano the ELP BSS is to this day the best audio mix of this album. The 5.1 is breathtaking, it’s even better than the new 5.1 mix released just a few years ago. The stereo mix of this DVD Audio is simply amazing. This is a must own for ELP fans and it’s very hard to find!
I also loved my 2004 Acura TL for that reason. I’d drive around the block 20 times as I approached home on my way from work, just to listen to Queen, Eagles, Flaming Lips... bought a 2012 TL, which still has DVD-A, but the separation is messed up because they put from channel in two of the rear speakers. Mmmf. I have my collection of 100 or so DVD-As and they’re a prize. Too bad they’ll all deteriorate before we see anything to replace the format, if we ever do.
I love all three formats, SACD, DVD-Audio & Blu-Ray Pure Audio. At the end of the day its the music that counts. For me a good surround mix truly brings out the music that is sometimes hidden in the stereo mix. Pink Floyds "The Dark Side Of The Moon" sounds outstanding.
I have the UDP-203 which can play SACD, DVD-Audio, and BD Audio. I have a few discs in each format. Regrettably I don't have any releases in more than one format so I can't compare them. I have to disagree that stereo is the ultimate for any of these formats though. To me the main point of these formats is to get multichannel audio. You'll hear the difference in multichannel a lot more than you will hear a difference between CD and a high-res digital format in stereo.
When Tower Records were around I bought 4 of those discs Santana Abraxas, Steely Dan Goucho, Band on the run and Venus and Mars Wings. There still the best sounding cds I own. Thx!
I've used this program (DVD-Audio Solo Std )for years, burning more than 10K DVD with music. It's awesome. Problem is that after 4.4 no more updates and no more much-needed files.
You are absolutely right about DVD audio. In my regard it is simply the best. Superior to anything including vinyl. But the problem is that the majority of people don't care about sound quality and are content to settle for less quality in audio. It's been that way since the beginning of Hi-Fi . Maybe you are already aware but the first hi-fi recordings were produced by the Bell telephone company on 78 rpm's in 1934-35. You can hear a sample of what they sounded like on you tube. They have a Paul Whitman and a Benny Goodman recording amongst others that you can listen to. The sound is pretty impressive for the period and shows in my opinion, the excellent quality of the electric microphones of that era. But again, this superior means of recording and reproducing music failed to become widely embraced because of cost to the public. Tsk. Tsk. Very sad. Check it out, and keep up the good work and your interesting videos!
Thanks Jean. Yes, you are right. Convenience always wins. That is why we must combine quality with convenience and then things will start to change and the absurd high end prices will decrease as well.
I almost forgot dvd audio ever existed. Why did it not catch on? I think most people actually were actually quite happy with the cd as it was. It would also play in any dvd player, no special equipment required. The reason some were not happy with the cd quality, to my opinion it is the poor quality due to the poor mastering i.e. the loudness war. If they were to put the same master (downsampled) of those great sounding dvd-a discs onto a cd, it would sound great as well. I agree with other people in the comments that the copy protection was also a reason that a lot of people did not care for the newer audio formats. But I think the manufacturers had no choice, without copy protection the record companies would not release the albums onto the new format. Anyway, as a digital audio fan, I still like to watch your channel. Nice work, keep it up.
Great video! These discs were hard to find back in the day. I own a few like ELP Brain Salad Surgery and YES Fragile. Those days another format was available: The DTS AUDIO. I own a couple of STING albums Nothing Like The Sun and Ten Summer Tales, ALAN PARSONS’s On Air, PORCUPINE TREE Deadwing and In Absentia. Sadly not all DVD players can play this DVD’s I’ve used a DVD AUDIO player and my PS3 console. The audio is just amazing, the 5.1 mix is great but the stereo mix is what really shines! So sad this format died. Thanks for the great video!
I have had DVD-Audio since they were originally releases. Many are reference quality Albums in my collection. Eagles Hotel California DVD-Audio is the best one so far (192Khz-24bit). Also these can be ripped (stereo only) in full resolution for listening elsewhere as opposed to SACD that you can't do nothing with off disc.
Back around 2010, I played with recording an audio-only DVD at home with a set-top recorder. Sourced from CDs, and simply running only a stereo audio connection between the receiver and device, I got what could be said is "good" results... even if all that appeared on the screen was a blank field of blue. Why did I do this? Simple: Because of my interest in long-running recordings formats. This started with open-reel and was piqued in my teens with a glance at an ad that read "Record 8-hours of CD music on one video cassette"... back in the mid-80s. This eventually led me to try the same with DVDs, since the machine I had was capable of recording 8-hours of video to a single disc. It wasn't until after all of this I finally learned of PCM Recording, and the encoding device the ad spoke of... but it was a wonderful learning experience.😊
@@anadialog Thanks for replying. BTW: You think such a method of home recording--at the consumer level--is worthwhile? I don't know if it's really audiophile grade, but it certainly seems a nice option.
@@anadialog Actually, I meant the method I tried in recording an audio-only DVD... but yes. I know it's been done before, with a certain type of MiniDisc (Hi-MD) but with the strong revival of older formats, why wouldn't it--cost aside?
@@pancudowny Audio only on DVD video can reach 96khz/24bits,higher resolutions are only available through DVD-audio if not as a mere media carrier (dvd-rom). But yes, it's a great idea if you have a capable machine!
As far as physical formats are concerned, I made a decision early on when DVD-Audio and SACD were doing battle to support the latter. It seemed to me at the time that not enough thought had gone into the DVD-A format: there were numerous resolutions involved - you mentioned needing a screen to find the right one for the specific disc you want to play. I also felt that, as both Sony and Philips had been responsible for the CD format, they could be counted on to produce something better when they produced the SACD and I love the format. Sadly, however, there have been times when I feel that insufficient care has gone into remastering certain albums for SACD and the Genesis boxes are one such example. I download a lot of hi-rez files now and many of them are 24/96 and 24/192 so I suppose they're really the file equivalent of DVD-A. The best of them are indeed excellent. Incidentally, Acoustic Sounds is currently in the process of bringing out all the Steely Dan albums on both vinyl and SACD. Analogue Productions does a superb job with its SACDs for Acoustic Sounds.
My opinion is, people did not and still don't want to loose the possibility to copy, like "we" do with the CDDAs. It's always a question of the ability to copy, because after all CDDAs have a very good audio quality. Let them try to make SACDs or whatever physical audio media without protection, them we can see people accept the change for the new format.
Frank Sinatra at the Sands from 1966 is a stunning DVD Audio Disc. Frank is backed by the Count Basie Band..My god, it's as though you're right in the room with them
My CD stereo system can play CD and DVD. It's all in one machine and it uses the same disc drive. You can hook up AV with it if you want a picture but it's great for DVD audio because it functions as a CD when using different settings on the system. You can play DVD Video on just the speakers with no display output but you may need to navigate blindly (I do this when listening to concert DVDs or maybe a soundtrack). I own the JVC UX-P550
One of the reasons why I love my 2015 Genesis sedan is that it's one of a handful of cars that can play DVD Audio. It has a 5.1 discrete audio system. I'll be sad when I trade in the car, new cars don't even have an optical drive anymore
My Acura TL could play these disks and I have more than a few. Unfortunately, when Acura moved to the TLX they quietly did away with DVD-A support. I now have a dozen or so of these discs with no way to play them. The sound system in the TL playing a DVD-A was very impressive. Fleetwood Mac Rumours and Steely Dan Gaucho were my faves.
I have a Carly Simon "No Secrets" DVD-A disc. Sounds super. Something interesting- on the first song, the second verse uses the same melody as the first verse. This was not the version that was used on the LP/cd so there must have been some very last minute changes before mass production started. The song is "The Right Thing To Do". "Let's Close Now".......
I own a few of these but never got a player. Of the discs I own, they play in a dvd video player and sound great so never saw or heard a need for a true DVD-Audio player. I also got into DTS audio cd's which are my personal favorite in the digital audio world. Of course vinyl is my all time favorite!
Well, if you love DTS and surround in general you should definitely check a DVD-Audio player...they almost all have high resolution DTS versions on them...If you do, make sure the player can reach the maximum resolution and sample rate. In the beginning only a few were capable of doing that.
Hmmm.....the other day I bought a collection that included a bunch of these DVD-A discs. All mostly great classic rock titles, Rumours, Night at the Opera, etc. Since I don't know much about any of these formats I put them all up on eBay right away. This morning I was moving some gear around that isn't being used at the moment and noticed that my Pioneer 5.1 has some of these logos on it I see on these discs like DTS, Neural Surround and Dolby Digital. I also see I actually have a disc player with these logos as well. Now I'm kinda sorry I didn't hold on to these long enough to investigate this format. Oh well.
I download from HD tracks. Then burn them to DVD. Listen to them through my Blu ray player which is a Sony. Plays all formats including SACD. My pre amp and amplifiers are capable of 192khz 24 bit. Sound great.
I have been recording DVD music for years. I can stuff an entire collection on them with great sound using Express Burn MP3. Except for FLAC, I use the Iplex 0.3, it can do FLAC at 24/96. ;) I also use ImgBurn to acheive FLAC.
I really want to get some DVD-A discs. I hace several SACD and are great, and my machine is available to read both fornats. I agree with you that a DVD audio or also a SACD that is recorded fron an sterero source, the best is to buy a stereo disc, but.... the best I ever read is the multichannel SACD, it’s when I really find a real incredible advantage against the simple CD version. Play and listen a multi channel audio in a good gear, when it has been recorded and mastered in that way,... it’s glory!
The HDAD of the 1967 soundtrack of CASINO ROYALE is awful on its regular 96/24 side, but the DVD-Audio 2-channel stereo-only 192/24 side is amazing! I still have some great DVD-audios and some titles never were reissued on SA-CD or Blu-ray Audio. That AMERICA album is solid too. Catch the solo album by Toad The Wet Sprocket's lead singer Glen Phillips ABULUM in the format too.
Then it was also the case that not all DVD players could play the DVD Audio format. That there would be a DVD Audio logo on the DVD player? . Although in some there could be a sound track in PCM 24 or if it was PCM 20 bit
Yes, I just like to put the disc in and press the play button. I don't like having to have a TV connected so that I can listen to music. That's the only point I don't fancy about Bluray and DVD audio.
Best way to transfer your analog LP/Reel to Reel to digital is burn them to DVD-R with a program called Audio DVD Maker. They sound much better in 24/96 than 16/44. They will play in a standard DVD player.
You can just use Audacity and make a FLAC or WAV file out of your Vinyl recordings and voila you have your own High Res FLAC audio of you quality of choice. Too bad Vinyl ripping still remained a trial and error time consuming process.
I have some Steven Wilson remix DVD-As that accompany the CDs (eg. Yes, XTC) and couldn't think how to access the DVD-A just to listen to via my Sony DVD player (if it's the right type, which I didn't even know about until your video). This should hopefully get me round to actually doing something about it! Great video, as always!
Phenomenal overview of DVD-Audio. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have that Steely Dan disc. But I should have grabbed them all when they were in shops. My Oppo 83 plays them and SACD, but I'm considering a better unit.
Oppo 205 goes for $4000 to $6000 US. 😭 Oppo 105 would be a cheaper sweet spot. I also need it modded to play all regions. Let's see what 2021 brings. 🙂
Great article- you have some great discs there. Good titles are getting quite expensive on Amazon. I do have a DVD audio player though. Keep up the good work now.
I found the DVDA and SACD biggest drawback to be the human interface. A screen monitor showing the music tracts plus a remote control was necessary to play the disc. DVDAs were not capable of playing on their own after inserting into a player. Some SACS could be inserted into player and would automatically play, but after they came out with the CD & SACD hybrid disc (combined on one side at different layers) only the cd version would automatically play. I enjoyed the audio from the DVDA better than the SACD. DVDA allowed 3-4 independent high quality audio channels so you could place yourself in the middle of the music with a different instrument coming from it’s own speaker. This was incredible while listening to a small Jazz group. Another disturbing aspect was the speaker’s location setup was very different than the Home Theater setup, and nobody wanted to reposition the speakers.
QUERY ... I think I can play a DVD with 96/24 audio (e.g. from a Jethro Tull box set) on my PC ... and set audio output on PC to "see" my external usb DAC ... I have used VLC Player / Windows 10 to do the business / adjust audio player etc. I am getting sound out of the DAC ... but not convinced it is actually HiRes ... Is my "theory" wrong? Should it work? Do I just persist in adjusting settings until I get the "right" combination to get HiRes actually into my headphones? ... or is there better software to use? Also ... If I get an external USB bluray player for the PC, can I set it up in a similar way (with suitable bluray player software) to also send HiRes to external USB DAC ... if so, then I think, I can get all benefit of HiRes from DVD and / or BluRay without breaking the bank or driving my wife nuts. Qoboz via PC to DAC all works 100% perfect. Any insights would be great .... Calum, Aberdeen, Scotland.
The problem I see with this is the price of the media. I just found a decent deal on a nice Marantz player, but then when I checked the prices of discs. Well forget it. Anything decent is at least $30 shipped. The player itself isn't even $200. So basically for $500. I can get a player, and about 10 discs, if I'm lucky. That's way too much for me personally. I'll stick to my cheap/free files from the internet, and my records thank you very much. I'd rather put that $500 towards a new class D amp, speakers, or a new DAC etc. Thank you though. Great video. ✌️
Had record companies handled this correctly we’d all have music in surround sound instead of a new digital format like crappy sounding mo3 files. Btw we went through this same format war in the early seventies when Quad was big. There were quad turntables, quarter tape players in the car and quad FM.
I love the DVD-A format for a few reasons: a) The quality goes up to 24 Bits @ 192k samples per second! b) I can make my own disks! c) My Oppo BD105 has excellent performance. I will transcribe my vinyl records to high resolution files using Sony Sound Forge; process them using iZotope and burn them to disk.
I have lots of these discs. Bought into the format early on and use several different players. Currently the Sony 800 multi format player as general use but higher quality is from an Esoteric. Like your collection of discs shown but how many do you have? Best format for me. Close to analog tape master with stability and resolution unequalled by SACD unless you spend huge for a dCs system. Thanks for your efforts in raising the awareness of this great format, there’s occasionally some releases as extra discs with CD. Best surround demo disc for me is Linkin Park track 5. Hammers all channels and makes the room alive with dynamics. Cheers from Oz
Thanks Oz! Well, I have about 20, not many, they are very expensive but truly performing...in the end, though, I am an analog guy so I tend to spend my money there...
ANA[DIA]LOG Hi A, I am truly fortunate to have about 150 discs, and also the matching SACD where possible. The comparison highlights bass power in MLP & LPCM not evident in SA discs and midrange digital artefact thinning SACD has. One source for DVD-A is Micks Muse website & eBay seller. Prices are reasonable. Cheers
Speaking of Bohemian Rhapsody. Has anybody noticed the weak center channel on the Blu-Ray versus the full center channel of the DVD? Freddie's voice on the Blu-Ray sounds very weak. What happened on the Blu-Ray?
The problem with DVD-A is you needed i-Link for 192/24 if you wanted all digital connection this turned me off NOW we have HDMI with 8 channel PCM ability amazing to go back & try out DVD-A
A dedicated stereo amplifier is in most cases the best choice. All is dedicated to get the most out of the audio signal plus the other radio and video components are absent, which may degrade the signal and introduce noise. In any case there are obviously exceptions and fantastic vintage receivers and top notch audio/video receivers.
@@anadialog Thank you for the reply. I own a Yamaha RX-V385 AVR (Good specs.Burr-Brown 384 kHz / 32-bit DAC x 3.)which is hooked up to Taga Harmony 606 v3 Home theater speakers. The sound quality is good when i watch a movie or netflix. However when i play a CD from my SONY UBP its just not acceptable. Is it the problem with the speakers or the AVR?. After going through some forums on this AVR vs Recivers topic most of them say that Receivers are for music and AVR for a movie buffs. Do i need to replace the AVR with a Receiver if my preference is music?.Or is it the speakers?. I will be very thankful if you can guide me to fix this issue. i was actually planning to replace the AVR with Yamaha RN303 stereo receiver but wanted to check your valuable suggestions before i decide.
If you aren't a surround buff, then I think it is a good idea to get a stereo amp and sell the receiver. Music and movies will be phenomenal. In any case, I do find strange that you're CD playback is unacceptable. Maybe there is another issue along the line...very strange. Sorry to give you further doubts but it's difficult from here. Another path you could follow is to get a high quality DAC that will surely enhance your CD listening experience.
@@anadialog Thank you once again for the reply. I did some minor changes and its sounding much much better.1. Bi -amp the speakers 2. Used the coax out instead of the dedicated HDMI audio out. Even though both are digital out i still found a difference....anything i missed?
@@anadialog But there is a catch....when you use BI-AMP configuration you cannot use surround speakers. The signal that comes from FRONT L/R and SURROUND /BIAMP L/R will be the same. If you want watch any movie you have to undo the settings. This configuration seems or designed only for 7.1 channel AVR where we can use one pair of SR completely for Bi amp. Back to square one again.....hmmm.
It was probably around that time that people were talking about MP3 instead. People downloaded music And by far, often for free. it also went badly for other formats Mini disc and DCC. People used the computer
If I don’t go wrong any dvd burner is good but you need dedicated software which isn’t produced anymore or it is probably very rare and may not work with modern computers. In any case there is no need, you can use a blue ray burner, the quality of dvd-audio resided in the flat conversions and in the mastering, not the resolution and sampling rate.
Unfortunately, it is the case that mofi and analog productions. only sells vinyl records and SACD What I have seen. However, mofi sold regular CDs in the 90s. I have one of them but it doesn't sound like a CD usually sounds. the sound is warm. I think the sound is good
The mastering is probably better on the dvd-a than the SACD you are referring too. There are many instances where the SACD is better. All boils down to the tape source and mastering.
@@anadialogI found with a good DAC, DSD to be more preferable to high resolution PCM, when the mastering was the same. Its all preference at the end of the day.
I kind of agree with you. If I´m going to listen to a Stereo file, I want LPCM, no Dolby or DTS (If it's not I can force it to PCM with my PS3) BUT, if is a 5.1 mix I need to use Dolby or DTS (I prefer DTS when available), sadly my 5.1 system is old and only can play 5.1 using these codecs, no 5.1 LPCM, which I know is the better option. But yeah, I have a DVD video compilation of various MTV unplugged, its coded in Dolby stereo and it's really really bad quality. The quality goes through the sky when force to PCM!
There were no DVD audio (or SACD) of my favorite bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Dio, and the equipment to play were too expensive and hard to find. Like the minidisc or DAT, the SACD or DVDA never reached most countries.
I am so disappointed. The abandonment of DVD-Audio left me bewildered. I have some lovely equipment including Dahlquist DQ-10 loudspeakers. I bought a high end DVD-Audio player at the advent of this format. Now, the transport (or something) in the player no longer works and I can't find anyone to repair it... I feel like I'm being railroaded into the absurd market of MP-3. No art. No liner notes. Nothing to hold, and sampling rates wide enough to drive a bus through!
How much is the highest frequency response for this blu ray audio disc or DVD audio discs? Are they cut off to 20 kHz? Are they better than analog or not ?
The max frequency response is half of the sampling rate according to the Nyquist theorem. So blu-rays and DVD-audio max sampling rate is 192khz, which means they can reach 96khz. That is very high but also analog, in some cases can reach that and surpass it. The big difference with analog is the dynamic range. Digital has much better numbers (but not the sound, or at least very rarely because poorly mastered).
How do you compare the DVD audio vs. the online music download that also specifies 24/96 or 24/192? Are the digital downloads as good as the physical discs?
Good question! In theory, yes, it depends how these (the on-line versions) were mastered. In several cases, not so well. Moreover, in several cases, sadly, high resolution files are upsampled CD quality files (16bits/44.1khz)...I will do further vids on these topics...
DVD audio should have been kept alive but DVD's should have been inserted into the players together with the protector covers, (boxes) just like we used to do with 3.5 inch disquettes. That would be correct engineering.
Thanks a lot for your informative videos. But i want to share my experience with you, and your audience; I have the the Metallica Black Album DVD-Audio, 2001 release, it has 5.1 multichannel tracks, as well as 2.0 Hi-res 24/192 tracks, and since im using my Panasonic AKX Stereo with 2 big speakers, and my headphones, i only listen to the 2.0 hi-res tracks, as listening to 5.1 tracks using two channels only devices will let most of the signal to get lost, and therefore losing how the music should be listened to. Now, the problem that the 2.0 hi-res tracks in that Metallica DVD-Audio are some what compressed and lack the dynamic range that i love for rock music, in the other hand i have the Japanese 2010 CD release of the same album with 16/44.1 standard CD sampling/frequency, which has better Dynamic range, so i prefer listening to it over the DVD-A 24/192 release. The point that i want to show here, that in 99.9% of the cases 16/44.1 and 24/192 produce the same exact sound when using the normal consumer devices and the most important factor to consider about any record is how the record was mastered by the technical audio engineers before transforming it to the commercial media, regardless about the media itself whether it is CD, Vinyl, DVD-A, SACD, or lossless files download. Note that Hi-res audio requires special/professional and very expensive equipments, speakers, and cables to fully utilize the hi-res sampling and frequency, without these equipments the hi-res sampling and frequency produce the same exact sound like the CD 16/44.1 standard. Im happy to hear your opinion about my explanation ;) Thanks,
Ho and thanks for your comment. I did several videos on this topic. I can only say that in several cases the high-res version, regardless the medium and format, is much better than the CD. But it is also true that many instead are just as good as the CD, probably because some of those are indeed upsampled CDs. I do agree that you need good equipment to enjoy the full potential of high-res audio but I do not agree that you need that gear to hear the difference.
@@anadialog thanks for clarification. For the Metallica the black album DVD-Audio; which is better do you think; converting the 5.1 audio tracks to two channels FLAC, or converting the 2.0 hi-res tracks to two channel FLAC? Which method will produce better sounding file with better Dynamic range? Im asking this question because majority of my listening of my music is using either my headphones, or my panasonic two-speakers stereo system, so i think listining to 5.1 tracks using 2-channel devices will be a bad way
So, please enlighten me one thing that tickles me here. You said that by passing the master sound to the DVD-Audio there was almost no remastering, equalization and conversions proved to be excellent. Right? So why not do the same with CDs?
My impression was very little was done to the master file, but I am not sure 100%. Probably the MLP compression must be of very high quality...CDs? Well first of all, they are not high resolution, and second the quality of the first CD's or in the beginning of the process did have little mastering, but we were at the beginning of digital...at this second, new round everything was ready and perfect and in fact high quality results were achieved...but the public did not care anymore...
@@anadialog Crimes against music, my friend. Crimes against music! Majorities dictate the rules but unfortunately it is increasingly rare for the masses to be right. And I do not mean to be an elitist. I say this in the context of everything that happens in today's societies. People consume what are given to them, and less and less wonder if there is nothing else. It's so sad. P.S. - Forgive me this extra-music divagation.
My understanding is the early cds were made directly from the original master tapes and the cds did not sound good. I don't know what kind of tweaking they do to digital music today but it sounds a bunch better then the earlier cds versions - especially with oldies music. It's kind of like how long it took to perfect vinyl records.
Nothing special...one of the various fake surround or 3d technologies on two channels developed during the second half of the 80's and implemented in a series of CDs also during the beginning of the 90's...
I just cant believe you didnt mention Foobar+ good ol´ Winamp´s .FLAC capabilities to lossless conserve DVDA quality (32Bit 192KHz+multichannels) and serves for way more handy and contemporary online distributions. ...+ FLAC can also lossless handle SACD, losslessly rip vinyl to digital perpetuation and ...whatever ?
@@anadialog Well... it depends what aim you have. To me its about conserving the best possible sound quality as yet practical, not the name of the particular format. Flac does that, and even goes beyond.
@@anadialog hi..thank you for the reply. How are DVD Audios made.? what is the process that we have to follow if we want to do it at home?..Please advise....thanks
Well, you would need a DVD-audio burner software and a DVD burner. Why do you want to make dvd-audios? Its better to have the files stored on a flash hard-drive or, if you want a physical medium, a bluray burner...
@@anadialog ..ok let me rephrase my question...how do I get a hi res audio file if the source is 16bit/44.1khz. Using the converter software's available on the net will do the job?..if yes then it's something like doing an up scaling which i dont think will improve any sound quality.
All those Digital complexes . Best album for me : YELLO , zebra & ICE - T home invasion . To of the most rearist albums out there . Its not the players its the recordings . I have no idea if these discs are playable I have not used CDs for some years now . Thats about it for CDs on my end
@@anadialog Sound yes . YELLO albums are hard to fined . Pocket Universe is another one out there and the rest . No longer exist I reckon . ICE-T is a RAP Album that was banned as soon as it was released . I have the Record LP as well . There is UB40 Album the non commercial stuff that I will never see or hear again as that is illegal .
Hi, if you love multi-channel as I do, check out the German artist, Schiller. His last 3 albums were all released in Dolby Atmos Surround. His live Blu-Ray concerts are also awesome. His latest album is called "Epic". you will not be disappointed
I think to me DVD Audio wins when it comes to accessibility, especially artist like me who are small and indie, I can just make my own DVD Audio 96-192khz/24bit and sell it physically and press it just like a normal DVD. while SACD requires you to find a pressing company that does it, and also there's not that much authoring software exits
Here is a list of bluray players with DVD-Audio capability. The site itself is a good resource for this medium...dvd-a.net/universal_blu-ray_disc_players.html
A pity SONY ruined his own invention (I mean the SACD format) just because of strong copy protection, discouraging other companies and, more important, consumers to adopt an excellent audio format. And another pity, as you point out, DVD Audio was mostly oriented to multichannel applications instead a great stereo music support. A good bunch of bad decisions.
I think multichannel was an easier sell to a general audience, since everyone can hear the difference with ease and it's an impressive sounding feature on correctly mixed multichannel albums. Besides, a lot of the companies involved also had their own home theater divisions, trying to sell customers on 5.1 home theater setups and DVD Audio got turned into a part of that campaign.
Agamemnon2 As I alredy mentioned in another comment, I agree the proiginally recorded two channel should be also 2 channel DVD-A and the same to SACD... but as you also mentiond, when is recorded or mastered as multi-channel.... it’s really amazing. I never enjoyed so the songas as some SACD I have, for example the Dire Straits’s Brothers in Arms 20th aniversary SACD... I discovered song parts and details, never heard before... and is a disc I listened thousends times. Multi/vvchannel, correctlly mastered and in a good gear and speakers... It’s absolutlly amazing
U know u can make them at 24/96 at home using audio dvd creator but I’m going nuts cause I’m sick and tired of 4.7 g blank dvdrs I want to rip burn to 25 g Blu-ray
No, because you are not going to have the same MASTERING. That is what so special of DVD-audio, obviously not the format nor the resolution but HOW the made the digital version.
Hum... Is this version of Tom & Elis contain the dialogs between the control room and Tom and Elis? If yes, as far I can remember, this mastering was too hot, too loud, overemphasis on the lower end.
@@anadialog I have the 1988 CD version, I believe its a uneq. flat transfer from the master tape, which is really bass shy, but shines on details specially on the Elis perfect tuning and Toms throaty voice.
Stupid copy protection ruined all three audiophile formats from SACD and DVD Audio then to Blu-Ray Audio. Anyway I'm bidding for one of the universal player from Pioneer,DV-S757A I hope I can get it cheap because the cheap ones are hard to come by.
That's OK since my amplifier only do RCA. I'm not expect to get the really good player right away,I'll do that with my second purchase if I ended up like the format.
I didn't get that model since I chicken out at the last moment considered how heavy it is let alone a dedicate SACD player. I would have to have way more on shipping. But I did scored a Pioneer DV-696AV instead which is a much slimmer lighter player.
@@brucemibus9523I haven't seen many DVD albums, if any. If it sounds different, there are different masters. DSD beats DVD resolution in factors. My favorite DVD in sound is David Gilmour in Concert, amazing recording.
DVD-A is dead. The format got delayed for far too long in the 90s because they spent forever working on the copy protection. By the time DVD-A was ready to go, it was far too late.
ANA[DIA]LOG Depends on the release. I have some DVD-As that are brick walled crap and the CD sounds far better. You need to do your homework. The one thing I do agree with you is that I just want to pop the disc in and press play. I don’t want to navigate menus in order to play 2 channel audio.
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My first DVD-AUDIO purchase was Queen’s “The Game.” I was hooked from that moment on. Unfortunately I found out about that format towards the end of its distribution period and I was somewhat limited in selection. I ended up buying DVD-AUDIO discs from artists I didn’t like just so I could experience the 5.1 surround sound. I have 55 DVD-AUDIO discs and the last ones I purchased were Snakes and Arrows, Moving Pictures and 2112 from RUSH. It’s an amazing format that has no equal. My most expensive purchase was Signals. I paid over $333 for that disc but I love it. Vinyl is making a decent comeback so maybe.........just maybe the same will happen with DVD-AUDIO. Once you hear that format there’s no going back, it’s that good.
I agree! They are phenomenal! 333$? Woah! You're crazy like me! ;-)
Yes
@@anadialog Hahahaha I don’t know why it took so long to reply. I’m definitely crazy with it and my wife is probably going to beat my ass from all of the money I’ve spent on DVD-AUDIO discs. One thing I have realized is that there are more……much more 5.1 releases than I realized. My collection is now well over 120 DVD-AUDIO. Dire Straits “Brothers In Arms”, Porcupine Tree “In Abstentia”, “Deadwing” and Simple Minds “Once Upon A Time” and ELP “Brain Salad Surgery” are my newest purchases. My SUV has a 5.1 surround sound system and these discs are freaking awesome.
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Queen's The Game is a phenomenal DVD-Audio release. I have about 30 DVD-Audio discs in my collection. For the most part they are lightyears ahead of their CD counterparts and in my opinion better than SACDs as well. I just wish that the format had become popular.
I have loved DVD-Audio since it came out. My first disc was ELP - Brain Salad Surgery. To this day I still make my own DVD-Audio discs from quadraphonic records and tapes. It is truly a great format. I even bought my first Acura because it would play DVD-A back in 2004. It's unfortunate that the music industry didn't push harder for this format.
Very cool...thanks for sharing that!
Bob Romano the ELP BSS is to this day the best audio mix of this album. The 5.1 is breathtaking, it’s even better than the new 5.1 mix released just a few years ago. The stereo mix of this DVD Audio is simply amazing. This is a must own for ELP fans and it’s very hard to find!
I also loved my 2004 Acura TL for that reason. I’d drive around the block 20 times as I approached home on my way from work, just to listen to Queen, Eagles, Flaming Lips... bought a 2012 TL, which still has DVD-A, but the separation is messed up because they put from channel in two of the rear speakers. Mmmf. I have my collection of 100 or so DVD-As and they’re a prize. Too bad they’ll all deteriorate before we see anything to replace the format, if we ever do.
I love all three formats, SACD, DVD-Audio & Blu-Ray Pure Audio. At the end of the day its the music that counts. For me a good surround mix truly brings out the music that is sometimes hidden in the stereo mix. Pink Floyds "The Dark Side Of The Moon" sounds outstanding.
I have the UDP-203 which can play SACD, DVD-Audio, and BD Audio. I have a few discs in each format. Regrettably I don't have any releases in more than one format so I can't compare them. I have to disagree that stereo is the ultimate for any of these formats though. To me the main point of these formats is to get multichannel audio. You'll hear the difference in multichannel a lot more than you will hear a difference between CD and a high-res digital format in stereo.
When Tower Records were around I bought 4 of those discs
Santana Abraxas, Steely Dan Goucho, Band on the run and Venus and Mars Wings. There still the best sounding cds I own. Thx!
Cool!
I've used this program (DVD-Audio Solo Std )for years, burning more than 10K DVD with music. It's awesome. Problem is that after 4.4 no more updates and no more much-needed files.
I'm so glad I never got rid of my DVD-A player. Got it since the format came out and a bunch of disc's.
Gave one away, mistakenly. Rebought another.. now we're ready to archive and catalog macros. Thnx
in a swedish online store, there are several dvd audio with King Crimson. so I'm talking about discs that are not used
Excellent video, improved my understanding, I didn’t know that dvd-a was hi res!
You are absolutely right about DVD audio. In my regard it is simply the best.
Superior to anything including vinyl. But the problem is that the majority of people don't care about sound quality and are content to settle for less quality in audio. It's been that way since the beginning of Hi-Fi . Maybe you are already aware but the first hi-fi recordings were produced by the Bell telephone company on 78 rpm's in 1934-35.
You can hear a sample of what they sounded like on you tube. They have a Paul Whitman and a Benny Goodman recording amongst others that you can listen to. The sound is pretty impressive for the period and shows in my opinion, the excellent quality of the electric microphones of that era. But again, this superior means of recording and reproducing music failed to become widely embraced because of cost to the public. Tsk. Tsk. Very sad.
Check it out, and keep up the good work and your interesting videos!
Thanks Jean. Yes, you are right. Convenience always wins. That is why we must combine quality with convenience and then things will start to change and the absurd high end prices will decrease as well.
Excellent comment. Thank you.
@@gaylenhalbert4391 Thanks for your thanks.
We care about sound quality but we also arent rich snobs.
@@hipidipi20157max Neither am I. You don't have to spend gazillions of money to enjoy great sound, that is only a snobs' bullshit!😂
I almost forgot dvd audio ever existed. Why did it not catch on? I think most people actually were actually quite happy with the cd as it was. It would also play in any dvd player, no special equipment required. The reason some were not happy with the cd quality, to my opinion it is the poor quality due to the poor mastering i.e. the loudness war. If they were to put the same master (downsampled) of those great sounding dvd-a discs onto a cd, it would sound great as well.
I agree with other people in the comments that the copy protection was also a reason that a lot of people did not care for the newer audio formats. But I think the manufacturers had no choice, without copy protection the record companies would not release the albums onto the new format.
Anyway, as a digital audio fan, I still like to watch your channel. Nice work, keep it up.
Well, the last phrase is a huge compliment....thanks man!!
Nice video and funky sounds in this one. I dig it!
you're right, the DVDA of Elis & Tom is awesome. Just fantastic...
Great video! These discs were hard to find back in the day. I own a few like ELP Brain Salad Surgery and YES Fragile. Those days another format was available: The DTS AUDIO. I own a couple of STING albums Nothing Like The Sun and Ten Summer Tales, ALAN PARSONS’s On Air, PORCUPINE TREE Deadwing and In Absentia. Sadly not all DVD players can play this DVD’s I’ve used a DVD AUDIO player and my PS3 console. The audio is just amazing, the 5.1 mix is great but the stereo mix is what really shines! So sad this format died. Thanks for the great video!
True...thank you!
I have had DVD-Audio since they were originally releases. Many are reference quality Albums in my collection. Eagles Hotel California DVD-Audio is the best one so far (192Khz-24bit). Also these can be ripped (stereo only) in full resolution for listening elsewhere as opposed to SACD that you can't do nothing with off disc.
True!
Back around 2010, I played with recording an audio-only DVD at home with a set-top recorder. Sourced from CDs, and simply running only a stereo audio connection between the receiver and device, I got what could be said is "good" results... even if all that appeared on the screen was a blank field of blue.
Why did I do this? Simple: Because of my interest in long-running recordings formats. This started with open-reel and was piqued in my teens with a glance at an ad that read "Record 8-hours of CD music on one video cassette"... back in the mid-80s. This eventually led me to try the same with DVDs, since the machine I had was capable of recording 8-hours of video to a single disc. It wasn't until after all of this I finally learned of PCM Recording, and the encoding device the ad spoke of... but it was a wonderful learning experience.😊
Cool! Thanks for sharing that!
@@anadialog Thanks for replying. BTW: You think such a method of home recording--at the consumer level--is worthwhile? I don't know if it's really audiophile grade, but it certainly seems a nice option.
You mean the PCM method?
@@anadialog Actually, I meant the method I tried in recording an audio-only DVD... but yes. I know it's been done before, with a certain type of MiniDisc (Hi-MD) but with the strong revival of older formats, why wouldn't it--cost aside?
@@pancudowny Audio only on DVD video can reach 96khz/24bits,higher resolutions are only available through DVD-audio if not as a mere media carrier (dvd-rom). But yes, it's a great idea if you have a capable machine!
As far as physical formats are concerned, I made a decision early on when DVD-Audio and SACD were doing battle to support the latter. It seemed to me at the time that not enough thought had gone into the DVD-A format: there were numerous resolutions involved - you mentioned needing a screen to find the right one for the specific disc you want to play. I also felt that, as both Sony and Philips had been responsible for the CD format, they could be counted on to produce something better when they produced the SACD and I love the format. Sadly, however, there have been times when I feel that insufficient care has gone into remastering certain albums for SACD and the Genesis boxes are one such example. I download a lot of hi-rez files now and many of them are 24/96 and 24/192 so I suppose they're really the file equivalent of DVD-A. The best of them are indeed excellent. Incidentally, Acoustic Sounds is currently in the process of bringing out all the Steely Dan albums on both vinyl and SACD. Analogue Productions does a superb job with its SACDs for Acoustic Sounds.
What makes DVD-Audio special is the mastering. Faithful to the tape and hugely dynamic.
@@anadialog That should apply to any format - even ordinary CDs.
the Byork and talking heads dual disc are fantastic
I found my Alice Cooper billion dollar babies dvd audio today, apparently it's worth around $100? Mental!
My opinion is, people did not and still don't want to loose the possibility to copy, like "we" do with the CDDAs.
It's always a question of the ability to copy, because after all CDDAs have a very good audio quality.
Let them try to make SACDs or whatever physical audio media without protection, them we can see people accept the change for the new format.
I agree! That is a big component in the success of a format...thanks for pointing that out!
it's very easy to copy sacd dvd and bluray audio
all you need is a computer a disc drive and a program
Really? !!!
Please, show me some links with tutorials with that.
@@PauloJMateus www.redfox.bz/en/anydvdhd.html
for sacds rip them as drm free isos and then use XRECODE3 to either extract the clean dfd files or flac them up
i recorded the beatles at home dvdhd audio i was very happy with the sound
the downward spiral and with teeth are both great DVDA releases
Frank Sinatra at the Sands from 1966 is a stunning DVD Audio Disc. Frank is backed by the Count Basie Band..My god, it's as though you're right in the room with them
Thanks for sharing that!
@@anadialog You're quite welcome..here's another good one
www.allmusic.com/album/quaudiophiliac-mw0000255857
My CD stereo system can play CD and DVD. It's all in one machine and it uses the same disc drive. You can hook up AV with it if you want a picture but it's great for DVD audio because it functions as a CD when using different settings on the system. You can play DVD Video on just the speakers with no display output but you may need to navigate blindly (I do this when listening to concert DVDs or maybe a soundtrack). I own the JVC UX-P550
One of the reasons why I love my 2015 Genesis sedan is that it's one of a handful of cars that can play DVD Audio. It has a 5.1 discrete audio system. I'll be sad when I trade in the car, new cars don't even have an optical drive anymore
Wow!
My Acura TL could play these disks and I have more than a few. Unfortunately, when Acura moved to the TLX they quietly did away with DVD-A support. I now have a dozen or so of these discs with no way to play them. The sound system in the TL playing a DVD-A was very impressive. Fleetwood Mac Rumours and Steely Dan Gaucho were my faves.
Quasi-interesting trivia: the lossless compression scheme in DVD-Audio, MLP, was also the basis for Dolby TrueHD.
Yes, I mentioned that, all the formats on the disc had that compression in the beginning...but the highest resolution is the 2.0 PCM...
Excellent lingo
I have a Carly Simon "No Secrets" DVD-A disc. Sounds super. Something interesting- on the first song, the second verse uses the same melody as the first verse. This was not the version that was used on the LP/cd so there must have been some very last minute changes before mass production started. The song is "The Right Thing To Do". "Let's Close Now".......
Cool!
I own a few of these but never got a player. Of the discs I own, they play in a dvd video player and sound great so never saw or heard a need for a true DVD-Audio player. I also got into DTS audio cd's which are my personal favorite in the digital audio world. Of course vinyl is my all time favorite!
Well, if you love DTS and surround in general you should definitely check a DVD-Audio player...they almost all have high resolution DTS versions on them...If you do, make sure the player can reach the maximum resolution and sample rate. In the beginning only a few were capable of doing that.
Oh, I forgot, if you love DTS and you love vinyl you should also check the combination of these...Quadriphonic recordings!
Hmmm.....the other day I bought a collection that included a bunch of these DVD-A discs. All mostly great classic rock titles, Rumours, Night at the Opera, etc. Since I don't know much about any of these formats I put them all up on eBay right away. This morning I was moving some gear around that isn't being used at the moment and noticed that my Pioneer 5.1 has some of these logos on it I see on these discs like DTS, Neural Surround and Dolby Digital. I also see I actually have a disc player with these logos as well. Now I'm kinda sorry I didn't hold on to these long enough to investigate this format. Oh well.
I download from HD tracks. Then burn them to DVD. Listen to them through my Blu ray player which is a Sony. Plays all formats including SACD. My pre amp and amplifiers are capable of 192khz 24 bit. Sound great.
Nice!
I have been recording DVD music for years. I can stuff an entire collection on them with great sound using Express Burn MP3. Except for FLAC, I use the Iplex 0.3, it can do FLAC at 24/96. ;) I also use ImgBurn to acheive FLAC.
I really want to get some DVD-A discs.
I hace several SACD and are great, and my machine is available to read both fornats.
I agree with you that a DVD audio or also a SACD that is recorded fron an sterero source, the best is to buy a stereo disc, but.... the best I ever read is the multichannel SACD, it’s when I really find a real incredible advantage against the simple CD version.
Play and listen a multi channel audio in a good gear, when it has been recorded and mastered in that way,... it’s glory!
Damn.... I want to experience this.
Very interesting! Thanks for good info as always.
Thanks!
GreAt detail info.
Thx!
The HDAD of the 1967 soundtrack of CASINO ROYALE is awful on its regular 96/24 side, but the DVD-Audio 2-channel stereo-only 192/24 side is amazing! I still have some great DVD-audios and some titles never were reissued on SA-CD or Blu-ray Audio. That AMERICA album is solid too. Catch the solo album by Toad The Wet Sprocket's lead singer Glen Phillips ABULUM in the format too.
Then it was also the case that not all DVD players could play the DVD Audio format. That there would be a DVD Audio logo on the DVD player? . Although in some there could be a sound track in PCM 24 or if it was PCM 20 bit
Yes, I just like to put the disc in and press the play button. I don't like having to have a TV connected so that I can listen to music. That's the only point I don't fancy about Bluray and DVD audio.
Best way to transfer your analog LP/Reel to Reel to digital is burn them to DVD-R with a program called Audio DVD Maker. They sound much better in 24/96 than 16/44. They will play in a standard DVD player.
Good suggestion!
@@anadialog BTW, Your videos are great! I look forward to the next one.
You can just use Audacity and make a FLAC or WAV file out of your Vinyl recordings and voila you have your own High Res FLAC audio of you quality of choice.
Too bad Vinyl ripping still remained a trial and error time consuming process.
@@barebarekun161 True. but burning them on a DVD-R you don't use up space on your PC.
I always thought that the biggest advantage of DVD-Audio was just the 5.1 channel sound. I was wrong. Thanks for the great explanation!
Thank you Julio!
I have some Steven Wilson remix DVD-As that accompany the CDs (eg. Yes, XTC) and couldn't think how to access the DVD-A just to listen to via my Sony DVD player (if it's the right type, which I didn't even know about until your video). This should hopefully get me round to actually doing something about it!
Great video, as always!
Yes, those are great! Thanks man!
Phenomenal overview of DVD-Audio. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have that Steely Dan disc. But I should have grabbed them all when they were in shops. My Oppo 83 plays them and SACD, but I'm considering a better unit.
Thanks! I would go for the last king, the oppo 205. If you have the resources, the Ausiocom signature modified Oppo. AMAZING DAC!
Oppo 205 goes for $4000 to $6000 US. 😭 Oppo 105 would be a cheaper sweet spot. I also need it modded to play all regions. Let's see what 2021 brings. 🙂
@@RodneyAllanPoe Buy the 205 used for like $3,500 lol.
Great article- you have some great discs there. Good titles are getting quite expensive on Amazon. I do have a DVD audio player though. Keep up the good work now.
Thanks!
Where do you purchase these DVD Audio Disk? I seen a a few on Ebay
Mainly on eBay...difficult to find elsewhere
I found the DVDA and SACD biggest drawback to be the human interface. A screen monitor showing the music tracts plus a remote control was necessary to play the disc. DVDAs were not capable of playing on their own after inserting into a player. Some SACS could be inserted into player and would automatically play, but after they came out with the CD & SACD hybrid disc (combined on one side at different layers) only the cd version would automatically play. I enjoyed the audio from the DVDA better than the SACD. DVDA allowed 3-4 independent high quality audio channels so you could place yourself in the middle of the music with a different instrument coming from it’s own speaker. This was incredible while listening to a small Jazz group. Another disturbing aspect was the speaker’s location setup was very different than the Home Theater setup, and nobody wanted to reposition the speakers.
I love how he says audio
QUERY ... I think I can play a DVD with 96/24 audio (e.g. from a Jethro Tull box set) on my PC ... and set audio output on PC to "see" my external usb DAC ... I have used VLC Player / Windows 10 to do the business / adjust audio player etc. I am getting sound out of the DAC ... but not convinced it is actually HiRes ... Is my "theory" wrong? Should it work? Do I just persist in adjusting settings until I get the "right" combination to get HiRes actually into my headphones? ... or is there better software to use? Also ... If I get an external USB bluray player for the PC, can I set it up in a similar way (with suitable bluray player software) to also send HiRes to external USB DAC ... if so, then I think, I can get all benefit of HiRes from DVD and / or BluRay without breaking the bank or driving my wife nuts. Qoboz via PC to DAC all works 100% perfect. Any insights would be great .... Calum, Aberdeen, Scotland.
The problem I see with this is the price of the media. I just found a decent deal on a nice Marantz player, but then when I checked the prices of discs. Well forget it. Anything decent is at least $30 shipped. The player itself isn't even $200. So basically for $500. I can get a player, and about 10 discs, if I'm lucky. That's way too much for me personally. I'll stick to my cheap/free files from the internet, and my records thank you very much. I'd rather put that $500 towards a new class D amp, speakers, or a new DAC etc.
Thank you though. Great video. ✌️
Yes, its true, the discs are still very expensive because they sound so good...do check discogs for lower prices!
Had record companies handled this correctly we’d all have music in surround sound instead of a new digital format like crappy sounding mo3 files.
Btw we went through this same format war in the early seventies when Quad was big. There were quad turntables, quarter tape players in the car and quad FM.
I love the DVD-A format for a few reasons:
a) The quality goes up to 24 Bits @ 192k samples per second!
b) I can make my own disks!
c) My Oppo BD105 has excellent performance.
I will transcribe my vinyl records to high resolution files using Sony Sound Forge; process them using iZotope and burn them to disk.
What are you using to create dvd-a discs?
@@colindoyle9876 : My computer with DVD Solo I think; using files created with my Benchmark ADAC-1 converter.
I have lots of these discs. Bought into the format early on and use several different players. Currently the Sony 800 multi format player as general use but higher quality is from an Esoteric. Like your collection of discs shown but how many do you have? Best format for me. Close to analog tape master with stability and resolution unequalled by SACD unless you spend huge for a dCs system. Thanks for your efforts in raising the awareness of this great format, there’s occasionally some releases as extra discs with CD. Best surround demo disc for me is Linkin Park track 5. Hammers all channels and makes the room alive with dynamics. Cheers from Oz
Thanks Oz! Well, I have about 20, not many, they are very expensive but truly performing...in the end, though, I am an analog guy so I tend to spend my money there...
ANA[DIA]LOG Hi A, I am truly fortunate to have about 150 discs, and also the matching SACD where possible. The comparison highlights bass power in MLP & LPCM not evident in SA discs and midrange digital artefact thinning SACD has. One source for DVD-A is Micks Muse website & eBay seller. Prices are reasonable. Cheers
Whoa! That is a lot. Congrats and thanks for the indications!
Speaking of Bohemian Rhapsody. Has anybody noticed the weak center channel on the Blu-Ray versus the full center channel of the DVD? Freddie's voice on the Blu-Ray sounds very weak. What happened on the Blu-Ray?
The problem with DVD-A is you needed i-Link for 192/24 if you wanted all digital connection this turned me off NOW we have HDMI with 8 channel PCM ability amazing to go back & try out DVD-A
Exactly!
Can you do a video how to create dvd audio using DVD Audio Tool in linux?
I love digital
HAVE TO MAKE MY FUTURE TRACK WITH THIS BUT THE STREAMING WEBSITE AND DEVICE WILL BE CHEAPER THEN ITUNES! MUSIC IS FOR FEELING NOT FOR BUSINESS..
Have a general question on AVR and stereo receivers. Which one is good for music and why. ? Hope you can shed some light on this topic
A dedicated stereo amplifier is in most cases the best choice. All is dedicated to get the most out of the audio signal plus the other radio and video components are absent, which may degrade the signal and introduce noise. In any case there are obviously exceptions and fantastic vintage receivers and top notch audio/video receivers.
@@anadialog Thank you for the reply. I own a Yamaha RX-V385 AVR (Good specs.Burr-Brown 384 kHz / 32-bit DAC x 3.)which is hooked up to Taga Harmony 606 v3 Home theater speakers. The sound quality is good when i watch a movie or netflix. However when i play a CD from my SONY UBP its just not acceptable. Is it the problem with the speakers or the AVR?. After going through some forums on this AVR vs Recivers topic most of them say that Receivers are for music and AVR for a movie buffs. Do i need to replace the AVR with a Receiver if my preference is music?.Or is it the speakers?. I will be very thankful if you can guide me to fix this issue.
i was actually planning to replace the AVR with Yamaha RN303 stereo receiver but wanted to check your valuable suggestions before i decide.
If you aren't a surround buff, then I think it is a good idea to get a stereo amp and sell the receiver. Music and movies will be phenomenal. In any case, I do find strange that you're CD playback is unacceptable. Maybe there is another issue along the line...very strange. Sorry to give you further doubts but it's difficult from here.
Another path you could follow is to get a high quality DAC that will surely enhance your CD listening experience.
@@anadialog Thank you once again for the reply. I did some minor changes and its sounding much much better.1. Bi -amp the speakers 2. Used the coax out instead of the dedicated HDMI audio out. Even though both are digital out i still found a difference....anything i missed?
@@anadialog But there is a catch....when you use BI-AMP configuration you cannot use surround speakers. The signal that comes from FRONT L/R and SURROUND /BIAMP L/R will be the same. If you want watch any movie you have to undo the settings. This configuration seems or designed only for 7.1 channel AVR where we can use one pair of SR completely for Bi amp. Back to square one again.....hmmm.
It was probably around that time that people were talking about MP3 instead. People downloaded music And by far, often for free. it also went badly for other formats Mini disc and DCC. People used the computer
Hi, do you know any DVD-audio burner?
If I don’t go wrong any dvd burner is good but you need dedicated software which isn’t produced anymore or it is probably very rare and may not work with modern computers. In any case there is no need, you can use a blue ray burner, the quality of dvd-audio resided in the flat conversions and in the mastering, not the resolution and sampling rate.
Unfortunately, it is the case that mofi and analog productions. only sells vinyl records and SACD What I have seen. However, mofi sold regular CDs in the 90s. I have one of them but it doesn't sound like a CD usually sounds. the sound is warm. I think the sound is good
The mastering is probably better on the dvd-a than the SACD you are referring too. There are many instances where the SACD is better. All boils down to the tape source and mastering.
True...although DSD is not simple to handle and hence, optimize...
@@anadialogI found with a good DAC, DSD to be more preferable to high resolution PCM, when the mastering was the same. Its all preference at the end of the day.
Love 192khz 24 bit dvd still sounds better than sacd or cd
I kind of agree with you. If I´m going to listen to a Stereo file, I want LPCM, no Dolby or DTS (If it's not I can force it to PCM with my PS3)
BUT, if is a 5.1 mix I need to use Dolby or DTS (I prefer DTS when available), sadly my 5.1 system is old and only can play 5.1 using these codecs, no 5.1 LPCM, which I know is the better option.
But yeah, I have a DVD video compilation of various MTV unplugged, its coded in Dolby stereo and it's really really bad quality. The quality goes through the sky when force to PCM!
Unfortunately, there were too many who were more interested in MP3s in the early 2000s
Yea!
Why do some remasters sound way off? For instance, Blizzard of Oz. Sounds like it is re-recorded. Tori Amos as well.
Is it possible that you could consider tha analyse of the LD audio ?
Maybe in the future...
There were no DVD audio (or SACD) of my favorite bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Dio, and the equipment to play were too expensive and hard to find. Like the minidisc or DAT, the SACD or DVDA never reached most countries.
Dance of death by iron maiden was released. Also a small selection of metal like the Black Album by metallics and Peace Sells by Megadeth
Mini-DVD-Audio would have been great as a portable format. A single disc would be equivalent to 2 CDs.
I am so disappointed. The abandonment of DVD-Audio left me bewildered. I have some lovely equipment including Dahlquist DQ-10 loudspeakers. I bought a high end DVD-Audio player at the advent of this format. Now, the transport (or something) in the player no longer works and I can't find anyone to repair it... I feel like I'm being railroaded into the absurd market of MP-3. No art. No liner notes. Nothing to hold, and sampling rates wide enough to drive a bus through!
True...
I wish I didn't have to pay up the nose for DVD-A. I have the Rumours Fleetwood Mac.
True...
Elis and Tom was remastered, but the transcription is superb! The same you hear from Caetano Veloso (Muito Mais)
Yes, all these were remastered but in a very 'delicate' and respectful way it seems...
The only Steely Dan releases on DVD Audio are Gaucho, Two Against Nature and Everything Must Go.
How much is the highest frequency response for this blu ray audio disc or DVD audio discs? Are they cut off to 20 kHz? Are they better than analog or not ?
The max frequency response is half of the sampling rate according to the Nyquist theorem. So blu-rays and DVD-audio max sampling rate is 192khz, which means they can reach 96khz. That is very high but also analog, in some cases can reach that and surpass it. The big difference with analog is the dynamic range. Digital has much better numbers (but not the sound, or at least very rarely because poorly mastered).
@@anadialog th-cam.com/video/lzRvSWPZQYk/w-d-xo.html
Explain in your words
Nice as always :-)
How do you compare the DVD audio vs. the online music download that also specifies 24/96 or 24/192? Are the digital downloads as good as the physical discs?
Good question! In theory, yes, it depends how these (the on-line versions) were mastered. In several cases, not so well. Moreover, in several cases, sadly, high resolution files are upsampled CD quality files (16bits/44.1khz)...I will do further vids on these topics...
DVD audio should have been kept alive but DVD's should have been inserted into the players together with the protector covers, (boxes) just like we used to do with 3.5 inch disquettes. That would be correct engineering.
Thanks a lot for your informative videos. But i want to share my experience with you, and your audience; I have the the Metallica Black Album DVD-Audio, 2001 release, it has 5.1 multichannel tracks, as well as 2.0 Hi-res 24/192 tracks, and since im using my Panasonic AKX Stereo with 2 big speakers, and my headphones, i only listen to the 2.0 hi-res tracks, as listening to 5.1 tracks using two channels only devices will let most of the signal to get lost, and therefore losing how the music should be listened to.
Now, the problem that the 2.0 hi-res tracks in that Metallica DVD-Audio are some what compressed and lack the dynamic range that i love for rock music, in the other hand i have the Japanese 2010 CD release of the same album with 16/44.1 standard CD sampling/frequency, which has better Dynamic range, so i prefer listening to it over the DVD-A 24/192 release.
The point that i want to show here, that in 99.9% of the cases 16/44.1 and 24/192 produce the same exact sound when using the normal consumer devices and the most important factor to consider about any record is how the record was mastered by the technical audio engineers before transforming it to the commercial media, regardless about the media itself whether it is CD, Vinyl, DVD-A, SACD, or lossless files download.
Note that Hi-res audio requires special/professional and very expensive equipments, speakers, and cables to fully utilize the hi-res sampling and frequency, without these equipments the hi-res sampling and frequency produce the same exact sound like the CD 16/44.1 standard.
Im happy to hear your opinion about my explanation ;)
Thanks,
Ho and thanks for your comment. I did several videos on this topic. I can only say that in several cases the high-res version, regardless the medium and format, is much better than the CD. But it is also true that many instead are just as good as the CD, probably because some of those are indeed upsampled CDs. I do agree that you need good equipment to enjoy the full potential of high-res audio but I do not agree that you need that gear to hear the difference.
@@anadialog thanks for clarification. For the Metallica the black album DVD-Audio; which is better do you think; converting the 5.1 audio tracks to two channels FLAC, or converting the 2.0 hi-res tracks to two channel FLAC?
Which method will produce better sounding file with better Dynamic range?
Im asking this question because majority of my listening of my music is using either my headphones, or my panasonic two-speakers stereo system, so i think listining to 5.1 tracks using 2-channel devices will be a bad way
So, please enlighten me one thing that tickles me here. You said that by passing the master sound to the DVD-Audio there was almost no remastering, equalization and conversions proved to be excellent. Right? So why not do the same with CDs?
Oh, and thanks for the video!
My impression was very little was done to the master file, but I am not sure 100%. Probably the MLP compression must be of very high quality...CDs? Well first of all, they are not high resolution, and second the quality of the first CD's or in the beginning of the process did have little mastering, but we were at the beginning of digital...at this second, new round everything was ready and perfect and in fact high quality results were achieved...but the public did not care anymore...
@@anadialog Crimes against music, my friend. Crimes against music! Majorities dictate the rules but unfortunately it is increasingly rare for the masses to be right. And I do not mean to be an elitist. I say this in the context of everything that happens in today's societies. People consume what are given to them, and less and less wonder if there is nothing else. It's so sad.
P.S. - Forgive me this extra-music divagation.
My understanding is the early cds were made directly from the original master tapes and the cds did not sound good. I don't know what kind of tweaking they do to digital music today but it sounds a bunch better then the earlier cds versions - especially with oldies music. It's kind of like how long it took to perfect vinyl records.
Madonna The Immaculate Collection sounds enhanced with Q sound on my cd. I don't know what that means.
Nothing special...one of the various fake surround or 3d technologies on two channels developed during the second half of the 80's and implemented in a series of CDs also during the beginning of the 90's...
Digalog?
At times! ;-)
I just cant believe you didnt mention Foobar+ good ol´ Winamp´s .FLAC capabilities to lossless conserve DVDA quality (32Bit 192KHz+multichannels) and serves for way more handy and contemporary online distributions.
...+ FLAC can also lossless handle SACD, losslessly rip vinyl to digital perpetuation and ...whatever ?
Well, thanks for adding that but then...its not a DVD-audio anymore! For all that hassle might've well just download or stream modern high-res files.
@@anadialog Well... it depends what aim you have. To me its about conserving the best possible sound quality as yet practical, not the name of the particular format. Flac does that, and even goes beyond.
Does Recording a streaming audio ex: amazon music using any DAW like Audacity in 24bit/96khz improve the quality of the sound??.
Nope, it will only degrade because you are making a sampling of a sampling.
@@anadialog hi..thank you for the reply. How are DVD Audios made.? what is the process that we have to follow if we want to do it at home?..Please advise....thanks
Well, you would need a DVD-audio burner software and a DVD burner. Why do you want to make dvd-audios? Its better to have the files stored on a flash hard-drive or, if you want a physical medium, a bluray burner...
@@anadialog ..ok let me rephrase my question...how do I get a hi res audio file if the source is 16bit/44.1khz. Using the converter software's available on the net will do the job?..if yes then it's something like doing an up scaling which i dont think will improve any sound quality.
You can't! What you can do is this: th-cam.com/video/A1skO6rDgtA/w-d-xo.html
What's your view on Blu Ray audio?
I love it! I love all high-resolution formats. In fact my next digital video will be on this topic. There are downsides though...
All those Digital complexes .
Best album for me : YELLO , zebra & ICE - T home invasion .
To of the most rearist albums out there .
Its not the players its the recordings .
I have no idea if these discs are playable I have not used CDs for some years now .
Thats about it for CDs on my end
I understand...but if you have to listen digital, these are special...
@@anadialog Sound yes .
YELLO albums are hard to fined .
Pocket Universe is another one out there and the rest .
No longer exist I reckon .
ICE-T is a RAP Album that was banned as soon as it was released .
I have the Record LP as well .
There is UB40 Album the non commercial stuff that I will never see or hear again as that is illegal .
Hi, if you love multi-channel as I do, check out the German artist, Schiller. His last 3 albums were all released in Dolby Atmos Surround. His live Blu-Ray concerts are also awesome. His latest album is called "Epic". you will not be disappointed
Thanks!
The same was with MiniDisc, FLAC is future but companies do not like flac.
Well, Tidal and Qobuz for example are all FLAC.
I think to me DVD Audio wins when it comes to accessibility, especially artist like me who are small and indie, I can just make my own DVD Audio 96-192khz/24bit and sell it physically and press it just like a normal DVD. while SACD requires you to find a pressing company that does it, and also there's not that much authoring software exits
True!
Do you know if any sites, or forums that have a list of disc players that do DVD audio at 24/192 ?
Here is a list of bluray players with DVD-Audio capability. The site itself is a good resource for this medium...dvd-a.net/universal_blu-ray_disc_players.html
A pity SONY ruined his own invention (I mean the SACD format) just because of strong copy protection, discouraging other companies and, more important, consumers to adopt an excellent audio format.
And another pity, as you point out, DVD Audio was mostly oriented to multichannel applications instead a great stereo music support.
A good bunch of bad decisions.
True!
I think multichannel was an easier sell to a general audience, since everyone can hear the difference with ease and it's an impressive sounding feature on correctly mixed multichannel albums. Besides, a lot of the companies involved also had their own home theater divisions, trying to sell customers on 5.1 home theater setups and DVD Audio got turned into a part of that campaign.
Agamemnon2 As I alredy mentioned in another comment, I agree the proiginally recorded two channel should be also 2 channel DVD-A and the same to SACD... but as you also mentiond, when is recorded or mastered as multi-channel.... it’s really amazing.
I never enjoyed so the songas as some SACD I have, for example the Dire Straits’s Brothers in Arms 20th aniversary SACD...
I discovered song parts and details, never heard before... and is a disc I listened thousends times.
Multi/vvchannel, correctlly mastered and in a good gear and speakers... It’s absolutlly amazing
U know u can make them at 24/96 at home using audio dvd creator but I’m going nuts cause I’m sick and tired of 4.7 g blank dvdrs I want to rip burn to 25 g Blu-ray
No, because you are not going to have the same MASTERING. That is what so special of DVD-audio, obviously not the format nor the resolution but HOW the made the digital version.
Hum... Is this version of Tom & Elis contain the dialogs between the control room and Tom and Elis? If yes, as far I can remember, this mastering was too hot, too loud, overemphasis on the lower end.
Yes, it is and yes, the bass is huge! Perhaps your right but the impact is amazing...
@@anadialog I have the 1988 CD version, I believe its a uneq. flat transfer from the master tape, which is really bass shy, but shines on details specially on the Elis perfect tuning and Toms throaty voice.
Stupid copy protection ruined all three audiophile formats from SACD and DVD Audio then to Blu-Ray Audio.
Anyway I'm bidding for one of the universal player from Pioneer,DV-S757A
I hope I can get it cheap because the cheap ones are hard to come by.
Careful! Those players reach the maximum resolution only with firewire and a dedicated pioneer amplifier...check the model before you buy it!
That's OK since my amplifier only do RCA.
I'm not expect to get the really good player right away,I'll do that with my second purchase if I ended up like the format.
I didn't get that model since I chicken out at the last moment considered how heavy it is let alone a dedicate SACD player.
I would have to have way more on shipping.
But I did scored a Pioneer DV-696AV instead which is a much slimmer lighter player.
Just go for DSD
Not so fast...video coming up!
DSD sadly doesn’t sound like DVD Audio in the bass and midrange. Have had six players and they are all different but traits remain.
@@brucemibus9523I haven't seen many DVD albums, if any. If it sounds different, there are different masters. DSD beats DVD resolution in factors. My favorite DVD in sound is David Gilmour in Concert, amazing recording.
Is it better than DSD?
Yes IMO. Native DSD recordings are superior (and very few).
You've slipped back into bad habits with your framing!
I prefer it this way...no Staley Kubrick here! ;-)
Rafferty!!!!
DVD-A is dead. The format got delayed for far too long in the 90s because they spent forever working on the copy protection. By the time DVD-A was ready to go, it was far too late.
True, but tye analog to digital remasters are up to this date among the best digital versions available IMHO
ANA[DIA]LOG Depends on the release. I have some DVD-As that are brick walled crap and the CD sounds far better. You need to do your homework. The one thing I do agree with you is that I just want to pop the disc in and press play. I don’t want to navigate menus in order to play 2 channel audio.
Maybe I am just lucky but the ones I have, around 15 are all excellent!
You are misinformed. The sound issues initially experienced with CD is unrelated and was solved within the year.
I don't understand, to what are you referring to?