i mean, that definitely depends on the manager, for eg, If managers like Pep managed Brazil, he would pick Ederson. Similarly, Pep not starting and fancying Zlatan or Toure in his team does not mean that they're not good.
@@kamsoobi008 yep. Brazil won the 2019 Copa America with Alisson in goal. They tried handing the reigns to Ederson for the 2021 Copa America but they fumbled & now Ederson has resumed his duties as Alisson’s water boy.
@@AshirwadSarmah as a GK alisson is clear saving shots and making big saves is what it's all about really and Ederson doesn't do that, yes he's amazing to watch with his feet unbelievable at times but he's not a good keeper.
@@cavanriley7373 that is a fair point, I was just saying that saying "Alisson has more apps for Brazil" isnt a fair argument, but the point you made is a fair argument to use in the comparison.
Zola is an extremely underrated player historically. Was unfortunate he left before the money arrived, or he'd be talked about with the same love as number 10s like Bergkamp and Cantona. Would be absolute magic in the Firminio role in todays game.
@Josh G as far as whole careers go sure but you can't throw players who had a couple good years in an all time XI. Because then if they don't replicate those performances that taints the legacy. If someone comes to the Prem, breaks the goal record then leaves they'll have a better legacy than someone that comes to the Prem breaks the record then doesn't play to that level again. Suarez benefits from that bias. He didn't achieve nearly enough in the Premier League to be considered for an all time XI. Drogba would be my choice for striker.
Only Hazard can compare with Zola in terms of pure talent. Essien could have been one of the very best. Complete box-to-box midfielder. Shame about the injuries.
Cech has won the golden glove in the PL the most and has had the most clean sheets in a season. Did you not remember cech clutching the CL by saving pens against messi (prime barca side) in the semis, saving pen from robben in extra time of the CL final against that monster Bayern team, and then saving a couple of pens against Bayern in shootout. That was cech at the end of his best years at chelsea. No comparison, maybe in the future.
Questioning Cech's levels after his head injury is a bit below the belt. Especially considering that although he was shaky for the first year or two after it occurred, he recovered and became the best in the world again. He was remarkable in 2012, the save from Carroll in the FA Cup final stands out alongside his heroics in the UCL penalty shootout.
It's just such an easy argument people go for because they heard someone else make the argument once and decided to copy it, without actually thinking about just how dam good he still was.
Cause he didn't turn up every week , neither was he a big game player , hazard in terms of ability very good but his efforts have never been more than 70% in his whole career
@@eshaanbhat3732 not a big game player mate he could win a game on his own pick the ball up from no where and create score draw fouls when he was on top of his game in the prem no one came close to him
Suarez had BY FAR the best individual season in the prem and it’s not even debatable. Stats aside he played with a young sterling/countinho/hendo, a Gerrard past his prime, an amazing Sturridge that was out for 1/4 the season and a mediocre backline, and our depth was so awful we relied on victor moses and joe Allen to change the game. The only player comparable was Bale from the season prior.
No one was ever debating that he didn't have the best individual season... bt you still can't put him in yr epl XI over world class players who has been there fr a long time....if Suarez did that non stop for a long time then for sure you can bt it's only one season that he stood out from the rest
Rory hates Hazard for some reason, Hazard was a way better player than virtually any winger ever in the Premier League, Ronaldo is the only comparable one
My all time Chelsea x Liverpool XI GK: Petr Cech LB: Ashley Cole CB: John Terry CB: Virgil Van Dijk RB: Trent Alexander Arnold CM: Gerrard CM: Lampard CDM: Kante LW: Hazard ST: Drogba RW: Salah
There is no way Trent or Van Dijk get into that side. Chelsea quite literally have the greatest defence of all time except Milan. An actual joke, Van Dijk isn’t better than Carvallho or Desailly and Trent is isn’t a better defender than Ivanovic
@Simon w But he is right. VvD is the best in the game today; but nowhere near the best of the Prem, forget the Baresis and Maldinis. Comparing VvD to Desailly is like comparing Haaland to Brazillian Ronaldo. Best today but no where near what it was.
@@preetjitsingh328 dude vvd is one of the best ever at cb and desailly was great but vvd has been a way better player than him overall don't care if you think this is recency bias vvd is way better cb than desailly and for me their is no cb that ever played in the pl better than vvd
@@arsh_1092 That is nuts! No where near. Even Desailly one of the best in Prem, was not near Baresi and Maldini. Desailly was way better. Look at the stats. Desailly captained the world cup victory. Started the nice football by Chelsea. Went up against the likes of Henry, Cantona, Owen and kept them quiet. The likes of Overmars and Leonardo know what they are talking about. There are no #9 or #9.5. CR7 should not be scoring as many goals as he does today. It's just that not many do play that role he does. So against a 37 year old CR7 and others, VvD looks good. Here is how I compare them: Marking: Desailly Reading of game: Desailly Tackling: Desailly Heading : equal Passing: VvD Speed: before Desailly mid 30s, equal Commanding the line: Desailly
GK- Cech RB- Trent CB- Terry CB- VVD LB- Cole CDM- Kante CM-Gerrard CM- Lampard RW- Salah LW- Hazard ST- Suarez I won’t argue that Allison right now is not as good or even better than Cech was, but Cech done it for 10 years. In a few years it might be different. Ivanovic was excellent but his longevity doesn’t out shine Trents overall ability. Carvalho was excellent, underrated and made Terry world class by covering up for what Terry lacked, but you can’t leave out Terry and VVD. Cole and Robertson are world class but Cole has more years under his belt. Kante also has more years at the top than Fabinho. Drogba was massive big game player, zola was a gem and Mane has been fantastic and maybe in a year or 2 it’ll be different but Salah, Hazard at his peak and Suarez are mandatory
@@rakeshruparell6427 I’d definitely have Alonso in the Liverpool 11 over Thiago because Thiago has just had 1 good year in England. Kante was integral to Leicester winning the league and won the league and premier league player of the season in the same season at Chelsea. I think Alonso’s time at Liverpool is underrated but you can’t put a player in who wasn’t seen as the best CM in his own team at the time ahead of a CM who was premier league player of the year and at the heart of back to back league wins for 2 different clubs
Hazard/Mane is the only debate but literally every other position is spot on and it’s not arguable. Mane or Hazard is purely preference it’s like rock n roll (Mane) vs jazz (Hazard)
the longevity of Ricardo Carvalho was amazing it's a shame his stay at Real wasn't as successful due to conflicts with Mourinho but what he did for Porto and Chelsea was amazing, he had a calm style of CB and was a good passer for his time and won the Euros at 38 years of age
I think we remember Alonso being better than he was because the team wasn't as talented back then, so his style and technique stood out more. I think Thiago is a miles better player. 100% agree on the rest though
For me Chelsea 11: GK: Petr Cech LB: Ashley Cole CB: John Terry CB: Ricardo Carvalho RB: Cesar Azpilicueta CDM: N’Golo Kante CDM: Claude Makelele CAM: Frank Lampard LW: Eden Hazard ST: Didier Drogba RW: Gianfranco Zola Liverpool 11: GK: Alisson LB: Andrew Robertson CB: Virgil Van Dijk CB: Javier Mascherano (needs to be in team but tough to put him in midfield) RB: Trent Alexander-Arnold CDM: Xabi Alonso CM: Steven Gerrard CM: Thiago Alcantara RW: Mohammed Salah ST: Luis Suarez LW: Sadio Mane
Hazard over Zola for me. Hazard has the most motm awards in PL history. Okay he didn’t get 20 a season but he created things with his dribbling and passing. He changed big games. And can still remember both of his ridiculous solo goals at anfield in the league and the carabao cup.
Rory is living in nostalgia. Zola Frank Joe Cole have all come out and said Hazard is the best player to play for Chelsea. Best PL player of the 2010s and one of the best in the Messi/Ronaldo generation.
@@train_simulaton_omar1637 if they’ve said that then they are all wrong. Most talented maybe but not best. He didn’t produce enough to be in that bracket. He didn’t win enough either. Robben was a far better player than hazard ever was:)
@@train_simulaton_omar1637 people were calling him overrated at Chelsea his UCL record is awful. Brilliant talent Terrible mentality got his dream move and turned up overweight nah not a chance that isn't professional.
Drogba...changed the premier league...defined the lone striker role......he was the face who restored faith of Chelsea fans..if he was there then Chelsea would always win trophies
Suarez didn’t take pens. He scored 31 goals in 34 games. 14 assists. Gerrard took 14 pens that season. If Suarez took the pens and played more games, he would have easily scored over 40 goals
I know Toure and Origi are such icons it makes sense to pick them twice, but SURELY someone like Lovren or Sakho deserves to make the team as well? And how could you forget Ryan Bertrand's legendary performance on the left wing in the Champions League final?
The idea of Čech vs Alisson needing to be debated is laughable. Alisson has had four seasons in the Prem that don't come close to Čech's first five seasons, he's had one 80% saves vs SoT season in his entire career at Roma and only one above 75% in the Prem. Čech was the best goalie in the Prem and arguably the world in an era when it was harder to stand out, after a traumatic brain injury as well. Liverpool can get away with lesser quality between the posts because their system (and brilliance in executing it) ensures the ball is mostly kept in the other half. Čech would have not only faced more chances closer to his goal but from better goalscorers too. Even fairly recently in his last two seasons (at age 35/36) he faced higher quality chances as illustrated by his higher PSxG/SoT, and that was his only season that barely dropped below the 70% save rate that Alisson is struggling to just average above in his prime. Even better, Čech was still performing at a higher level in his first two seasons at Arsenal. It's objectively not even worth discussing.
In the modern game Allison is by far the better keeper. Distribution is much more important, cech and de gea are maybe the best of the old generation of keepers. They aren't wanted by clubs now
That is ridiculous. In terms of impact Alisson has probably been Liverpools best signing. Also there's more to a goalkeepers game than save percentage, I'm also remembering back then a lot more shots coming from long range strikers of the ball than what we see today.
yes let's ignore the fact that liverpool's back line is sat on the halfway line... i'm not saying Alisson is over Cech but your arguement is nonsense. (btw nice try with trying to back ur arguement up with more numbers than there actually is, nice eye deception)
i love every discussion that involved Paul Machin, he is a phenom as Liverpool fans representative Suarez scored 31 goals WITHOUT penalty and that season Gerrard scored 10 from penalty
@@JnoPrds how can you put 'big games that win trophies' to PL context? what type of match is that 'BIG GAME'? and give me the stat or data to back your argument up if you wider the context outside PL, then Suarez is a clear winner no matter what context you put on what i love about Machin is, he always argue within context (that sometime narrowing his argument in the debate that clearly he can win)
I’m a Liverpool fan and yes Suarez had one good albeit extra-ordinary season for us, but if this argument is based on premier league alone, then Drogba ahead of Suarez based on his longevity and moreover Drogba was a beast; he turned up on several grand occasions for chelsea
@@nnaemekaokoro1394 then, if the argument is longetivity and trophy, no one from Liverpool in the team, so to get even one to the team, our man Paul clearly argue on skill and completely deny any argument around longetivity and trophy from the start they created PL combined team based on skill and eye test, and the impact of player to PL as a whole that why, TAA and Cole there, both revolutionise the role of Fullback VVD, Gerrard, and Salah is the best we ever seen for their respective position and then, there is Suarez, the best PL striker based on everything possible you can think, except longetivity and trophy
@Faqih Abdurrahman people like you need people like us to put 'big games that will trophies' into context for you because its not as easy as just looking up their stats and thinking the one with better stats was the better player. So many people who weren't around to watch them play inform themselves in this was and it leads to disrespect on so many players. I can't give you stats but I can try and explain it to you. Before Drogba and Mourinho most teams in the PL played with 2 strikers. Then they came and Drogba did everything himself. He was the focal point of Chelsea's attack. His holdup play, awareness and ability to bring his teammates into play was unbelievable. Its about the technical aspects of the game. The keeper or defence could kick it up the pitch and Drogba's first touch and control was just perfect. He did it all by himself and that allowed Mourinho to pack the midfield so it was 3 against 2 most games. All these things Drogba did helped them win games. And that's all football is about. It's not about boosting your own stats and waiting for tap ins. It's about getting results and winning trophies. And the things he did made Chelsea really hard to beat for years. He didn't need to score as Man as other strikers because he was doing so much in the buildup to goals. Making runs, occupying both CBs and creating space for teammates etc. To add to it all when his team really needed a goal, he was the one that always scored. It wasn't luck because he did it for years. He scored in like 10 different cup finals (one of them obviously being at the end of the Champions League final in 2012). And he was constantly scoring in the big Premier League games (ask any Arsenal fan that was around at the time seriously). And in that 09/10 season where he got 29 goals and 13 assists in 32 games (37 and 16 in 44 all comps) so many of them came against the big 6. Like a ridiculous number. It's hard for people who didn't watch him because they can't just look up the stats and decide but there's a reason he has the reputation he does and there's a reason he's put on a pedestal with players with much better stats.
Hmm. I'd still go with Drogba, for the fact that Suarez was only at Liverpool for two or three years and never won anything. Drogba consistently won us trophies for close to a decade
@@tankourito5419 of course you would still go with drogba, you’re a Chelsea fan. It’s a fact that Suarez was the better player though, and by some distance
usually respect you Paul but that Hazard opinion is a big dent in how I rate your football knowledge. Think you're only saying that coz you have a Salah agenda. Also not mentioning coutinho at all and putting Thiago over him is ridiculous
How come there's all this chat about that one Suarez season where he scored against relegation fodder, but no one ever mentions that Drogba scored 29 goals and made 13 assists in the PL in 09/10. He only played 32 games.
Exactly, and Lampard took 90% of the penalties that season. Drogba also went to afcons that year. Missed some games. So impressive. Winning the PL title too.
Suarez scored 31 and assisted 17 while playing 33 games in 2014...playing with Jon Flanagan Aly Cisoko and Joe Allen..not even a comparison when you consider their ability on the ball and workrate/pressing off it.... in that year Suarez battered all the big teams singlehandedly aswell Arsenal Spurs Chelsea United and City....different gravy
Because Suarez had literally the best attacking season the PL has ever seen and missed the first 8 games. Didier was great but when you average 7 goals a season for 7 of your 9 years, I laugh when you get compared to someone Suarez!!
Exactly like alisson was the clear number 1 through the 2019 copa they won, since then they’ve literally alternated and that’s where most of edersons 18 caps have come from. Like In the most recent copa and World Cup campaign they literally alternated every game (even third choice weverton got a game here and there). They’re like a year apart In age and alisson has almost 40 more caps of course Brazil prefers to play him.
Drogba scored 29 goals in 30 games in the prem back in 2011 I think, also scored in the champions league and FA cup multiple times. Edit: Just checked it was in 2009/10 and he scored 29 goals and 13 assists in 32 games, he also had more goals per minute than Suarez in his best season. im not trying to say he had a better season but it is pretty comparable.
one played for chelsea marseille and galatasary, the other played for Ajax, Liverpool, Barcelona and Athletico Madrid, and is probably the best 9 the world has ever seen apart from R9. it's only comparable if u forget everything else apart from prem trophies.
I noticed for Kante he's in because of the titles he helped Chelsea win, but Zola got in despite not winning them. Suppose it's whatever works to suit your agenda 😂
@@harryfalm3118 I'm not making a point to suit any Liverpool bias, just stating how Rory said Kante's in because he's helped Chelsea win titles. But then ignored Mane despite him helping Liverpool win those same titles, titles Zola never won with Chelsea. I've nothing against Zola being in the team, just making a point about how they change the metric used to include who they want to include (like only judging Thiago for his time at Liverpool but including Kante's league-winning season at Leicester as a further reason for his inclusion, ignoring Fab winning the French league over PSG)
It’s incredible to know that Ashley Cole is considered the greatest left back of all time in England and outside of England he is just considered as a good left back from the 2000s.
@@lk7923 he isn’t overrated and I’m a Liverpool fan so no sentiments attached. Ashley Cole was damn too good in his prime and let’s not forget he was also a huge part of Arsenal’s invincibles.
I am a Chelsea fan and this is my combined team: GK: Petr Cech LB: Ashley Cole CB: John Terry CB: Virgil Van Dijk RB: Trent Alexander-Arnold CDM: N’Golo Kante CM: Steven Gerrard CM: Frank Lampard RW: Mohammed Salah ST: Luis Suarez LW: Eden Hazard
GK: Alisson Becker RB: Cesar Azpilicueta RCB: John Terry LCB: Virgil Van Dijk LB: Ashley Cole CDM: N’Golo Kante RCM: Frank Lampard LCM: Steven Gerrard RW: Mohammed Salah ST: Didier Drogba LW: Eden Hazard
Liverpool fan here, My all time Liverpool Chelsea 11, cech, Trent, John terry, Virgil van dijk, Ashley Cole ,makalale, Steven Gerrard, frank lampard, Eden hazard, drogba And salah that’s my all time 11
That’s what happens when you average 7 goals a season for 7 seasons (take away his two good years) as a striker… He was strong… thats it. Not at same level as the rest.
Drogba was a big game player who had a set of fantastic moments and for that reason is a Premier League icon but Suarez was simply a much more consistent player who literally had the best individual season in prem history
the fact that these guys really argued Alison vs Cech is beyond stupid 😂 I love Alison but it’s not even a conversation!!! Not only does Cech has that 15 conceded goals record, he is probably the only goal keeper in the world that was forced to take a blood/urine test after displaying an almost supernatural performance during the UCL final against Bayern... he carried that Chelsea team in that game to glory. He won the first UCL for Chelsea!! When everyone else was celebrating in the dressing room, he was taken away to take a freaking urine test lol
totally agree. people forget that cech literally held the world record for minutes without conceding. When talking goalkeeping, during his era cech was beyond stupid for quality. Only world record alisson had was his record transfer fee as a gk to liverpool at the time lol
@@harryfalm3118 In terms of the Premier League era there is only one keeper who is up there with Cech and it's Schmeichel. Van der Sar was a fantastic keeper but he played the majority of his career at other clubs and definitely wasn't as dominant as either Cech or Schmeichel in the Prem.
People love to say Drogba didn’t score goals but what did you expect when he played with the greatest goal scoring midfielder of all time. The goals were shared. Drogba could have easily had more goals
Gk - Cech RB - Trent Alexander-Arnold CB - Terry and VVD LB - Cole CM - Kante, Gerrard and Lampard RW - Salah St - Suarez LW - Hazard The only team that makes sense here.
@@GIBBO4182 Drogba 168 goal contributions in 254 games for his time in the Premier League. Yes... he wasn't as a prolific scorer as Suarez. His goals though carried Chelsea to more league titles and trophies than Suarez did in his time in the top division of English Football. If Luis had stayed for longer then he would probably be ahead of him in the pecking order. But he left Liverpool to be more successful in La Liga with Barcelona.
Thiago has been great for 2 seasons, only thing that's been a let down are his injuries. Fantastic from the word go when he came on against Chelsea, and save for a single game against Leicester been consistently great
Probably because one played for a Mourinho coached defensive Chelsea team and one is playing for a Klopp coached high line playing Liverpool team. You can say Cech was better, but don’t make it seem like Ali doesn’t deserve a shout.
Probably because one played for a Mourinho coached defensive Chelsea team and one is playing for a Klopp coached high line playing Liverpool team. You can say Cech was better, but don’t make it seem like Ali doesn’t deserve a shout.
Probably because one played for a Mourinho coached defensive Chelsea team and one is playing for a Klopp coached high line playing Liverpool team. You can say Cech was better, but don’t make it seem like Ali doesn’t deserve a shout.
@@darkstar4102 drogba in the PL wasn't that great - bar 2 seasons his goal returns in the league were very poor. So he may of been around for a number of years but really was only a top league striker for 2 of them. Suarez had the greatest individual season I'd say in prem history. I'd even put prime Torres who came third in the ballon d'Or ahead of the drogba. Just go watch that 13/14 Suarez season again, man was scoring unreal goals most weeks. I say that as a united fan 😂
@@jordanc8761 suarez is a better footballer, better passer, better scorer than Drogba, everything that Drogba does, suarez does it better expect maybe heading.
The debate was all time best PL 11 ? Cech Trent Van Dijk Terry Cole Kante Lampard Gerrard Salah Drogba/Suarez (so tough to choose) Hazard There it’s fixed.
Rory has some unsettling issue with Hazard...He always has something against Hazard....he saved his team's ass multiple times and because he just didn't turn up fr one season he is salty lol and didn't even bother arguing fr him
Hazard is levels above Mane. I'm a Chelsea fan but the things he did when at his prime he was the third best player in the world. He's much more creative and tricky than Mane.
They kind of bogged themselves in by going with a 433. I would have had it as a 442 and gone: Cech Trent VVD Terry Cole Salah Gerrard Lampard Hazard Drogba Suarez
I like Rory but there’s absolutely no way VVD is that overrated. He’s been the best CB in the world since he joined Liverpool yet he’s being compared to Carvalho😂😂
You clearly never watched Carvalho play, and there are no other great centre backs currently. It's easy to be the best when the people equal to you or better than you are all retired Van Dijk's competition is Diaz. It says it all
@Harry Stevenson Calvalho was an absolute beast, possibly IMO even better than Terry in that partnership, but he played in a Mourinho system that was setup super defensively, there's no way he'd be anywhere near as good in Liverpool's high line. VVD could play in any defensive setup and be a god, easily the best defender in the world and it's not close.
GK: Petr Cech RB: Branislav Ivanovic CB: Jamie Carragher CB: John Terry LB: Ashley Cole (Biggest no brainer) CM: Steven Gerrard CM: Michael Ballack CM: Frank Lampard RW: Mohammed Salah ST: Luis Suarez LW: Eden Hazard
For Liverpool I'd choose Owen wh9 would make the final squad cuz young Micheal Owen in his prime was untouchable Also if Saurez played at least 5 seasons he would be here no doubt
Why they forgot about El Ninho??? He was the best ever in his time at Liverpool, and chelsea fans know it absolutely better than anybody else. His transfer to chelsea ruined all his career, but what class of player he was, why nobody didn't tell about him
It’s not only about goals and assists, people tend to get blinded by that these days. Even attacking players can bring so much to the team without being the one scoring the goal or providing the assist. Eden hazard dominated games in his pomp, as did drogba, and not just the basic premier league games. Harry Kane has outscored drogba massively over his career, but how much weight do you put on a hat-trick against Norwich vs a goal in an fa cup or champions league final? One might win you the golden boot, but the other wins you the champions league.
As a Chelsea fan I wish you'd gotten another Chelsea fan to represent the team. Van Dijk obviously goes in over Carvalho. Zola over Hazard is absolutely ridiculous.
It would be nice to see these kinda videos with people who know about football. Picking Thiago in all time XI is mental. Leaving Hazard out is even more mental.
Drogba > Suarez... I like Suarez as a striker but Drogba was big game match player and brought it when you needed it most... I've Arsenal fans even concede on Drogba over Henry for Finals match
As a Chelsea fan I think Drogba and Hazard have to be in this team! I'm Old Skool and have supported Chelsea from the 80s and can't believe the bias towards Sauarz on this!
suarez is in the debate for greatest striker to ever grace the game, drogba is not even close. Suarez is miles clear and if you disagree you need to see a doctor
@@thelargegirth473 Are You Stupid, its pl 11 not world 11.i agree with you on Suarez greatest striker of Spanish league or even world but he is not greatest of pl.
Suarez is probably the best striker to ever play in the prem, on pure ability (could argue Henry.) What goes against him is that he only played 3 and a half seasons and the team he was in was awful. Remember in 13/14 he missed the first 5 games through suspension and scored 31 in 33 without taking a single penalty (and Liverpool had 12 penalties that season). He could have realistically scored 40+ that season under normal circumstances which is bonkers. Also, he scored 30 in 44 games in all comps the year before too, which doesn't get talked about enough because of how good 13/14 was.
It's a shame how Rory forgot to mention that Terry and Carvalho once only conceded a record 15 goals in a season
@@otsman9503 WOOOOSSHHHH
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@@otsman9503 don’t be an idiot lad
@@otsman9503 u missed the joke
He mentioned it bro
Paul's comment about Ivanovic's tasty shoulders was tragically under appreciated. I don't think they even got it, but it was a worldie of a line
I only just got it reading this comment
OH
insane bars by Paul actually, fairs
I still don’t get it :(
@@fraserweir2024 Suarez bit ivanovic’s shoulder
I love the way nobody knows who actually starts for Brazil. Allison has made 54 appearances for Brazil and Ederson has made 18
The year they played Ederson in the Copa america they didn’t even win 🤣🤣
i mean, that definitely depends on the manager, for eg, If managers like Pep managed Brazil, he would pick Ederson. Similarly, Pep not starting and fancying Zlatan or Toure in his team does not mean that they're not good.
@@kamsoobi008 yep. Brazil won the 2019 Copa America with Alisson in goal. They tried handing the reigns to Ederson for the 2021 Copa America but they fumbled & now Ederson has resumed his duties as Alisson’s water boy.
@@AshirwadSarmah as a GK alisson is clear saving shots and making big saves is what it's all about really and Ederson doesn't do that, yes he's amazing to watch with his feet unbelievable at times but he's not a good keeper.
@@cavanriley7373 that is a fair point, I was just saying that saying "Alisson has more apps for Brazil" isnt a fair argument, but the point you made is a fair argument to use in the comparison.
Zola is an extremely underrated player historically. Was unfortunate he left before the money arrived, or he'd be talked about with the same love as number 10s like Bergkamp and Cantona. Would be absolute magic in the Firminio role in todays game.
Yep recency bias definitely goes against Zola a bit
And he arrived when he was 30 or so. He was supposed to be on the decline but lit up the stadium
Nowhere near luis Suarez though
@Josh G as far as whole careers go sure but you can't throw players who had a couple good years in an all time XI. Because then if they don't replicate those performances that taints the legacy. If someone comes to the Prem, breaks the goal record then leaves they'll have a better legacy than someone that comes to the Prem breaks the record then doesn't play to that level again. Suarez benefits from that bias. He didn't achieve nearly enough in the Premier League to be considered for an all time XI. Drogba would be my choice for striker.
Only Hazard can compare with Zola in terms of pure talent. Essien could have been one of the very best. Complete box-to-box midfielder. Shame about the injuries.
Paul Machin “You’re literally holding a picture of Dennis Wise” legendary comment.
Haha mate 🤣
14:40
I literally just came on to this part 😂
That is seriously so perfectly timed
Bet you haven't seen a single game of this player, yet disrespect him in the comments
Cech has won the golden glove in the PL the most and has had the most clean sheets in a season. Did you not remember cech clutching the CL by saving pens against messi (prime barca side) in the semis, saving pen from robben in extra time of the CL final against that monster Bayern team, and then saving a couple of pens against Bayern in shootout. That was cech at the end of his best years at chelsea. No comparison, maybe in the future.
So does Joe Hart
@@thenoisyneighbour so what? Why does ederson and Allison not have that record?
Facts.
didn't save a penalty against messi. messi hit the bar. Poor ball knowledge
@@ivarbullen4232 still counts as a save …
Questioning Cech's levels after his head injury is a bit below the belt. Especially considering that although he was shaky for the first year or two after it occurred, he recovered and became the best in the world again. He was remarkable in 2012, the save from Carroll in the FA Cup final stands out alongside his heroics in the UCL penalty shootout.
It's just such an easy argument people go for because they heard someone else make the argument once and decided to copy it, without actually thinking about just how dam good he still was.
Agree with most of that other than the fact that the Carroll ‘save’ crossed the line
He was better with the helmet than without lol
@@bot-cf6ir The whole ball has to cross the line
And yet it seems fine for everyone to diminish Van Dijk after returning from his injury
How on earth haven’t hazard made this team madness probaly the most talented football player Chelsea ever had he was magic with a football
Mane is still better
Cause he didn't turn up every week , neither was he a big game player , hazard in terms of ability very good but his efforts have never been more than 70% in his whole career
@@eshaanbhat3732 hazard has the record for most man of matches in prem history. So…
I would argue as a non Chelsea fan that Hazard is the most naturally talented player to have played in Premier League alongside Bale.
@@eshaanbhat3732 not a big game player mate he could win a game on his own pick the ball up from no where and create score draw fouls when he was on top of his game in the prem no one came close to him
Suarez had BY FAR the best individual season in the prem and it’s not even debatable. Stats aside he played with a young sterling/countinho/hendo, a Gerrard past his prime, an amazing Sturridge that was out for 1/4 the season and a mediocre backline, and our depth was so awful we relied on victor moses and joe Allen to change the game. The only player comparable was Bale from the season prior.
Suarez was different with it, class
Who’s debating that?
@@Rkid26. Rory was
No one was ever debating that he didn't have the best individual season... bt you still can't put him in yr epl XI over world class players who has been there fr a long time....if Suarez did that non stop for a long time then for sure you can bt it's only one season that he stood out from the rest
@@joeutm212 Rory agreed he did have the best individual season 😂
Imagine picking Ivanoic and Suarez in the same team
Well you have to give Suarez a food source
I would've left Ivanovic out, cause if you at least have Saurez in your team, you'll always have a bit of Ivanovic as well.
😭
Violation 😂😂
🤣🤣 Well it saves the team a Red Card that's for sure 😂
It’s Saturday, the sun it out, the Mrs and kids are away and I’m at home doing the washing up listening to these guys debate away. Lovin it.
Cherish these moments mate
Dream set up 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 you deserve this my friend
Rory saying that Zola goes above Hazard is actually mental. Hazard has the most PL motm awards ever, simple as that, he goes in the team!
Rory hates Hazard for some reason, Hazard was a way better player than virtually any winger ever in the Premier League, Ronaldo is the only comparable one
Mate just accept that he’s a romanticist, he appreciates football for the stories and the emotions
@@barry4649 this has to be a joke 😂. Gareth Bale in Spurs washes Hazard
@@barry4649 Lol no he wasn't
@@barry4649 Salah is miles clear of Hazard mate.
I'm a Liverpool fan, and honestly putting Carra in there before Sami Hyypia is absolutely criminal IMO.
Who is that Liverpool fan he’s so biased
@@Ryan-ey6sj Carra man😂, average at best him hahaha
I'm a Chelsea fan and thought that was so strange. Wise over Makelele was pure nostalgia from Rory's end aswell.
@@Anonymous-xr8hx Yeah but there was no point bringing in Makelele and Kante to the table considering they played such similar roles.
Agger for carragher xabi Alonso for Thiago and mascherano for Fabinho
My all time Chelsea x Liverpool XI
GK: Petr Cech
LB: Ashley Cole
CB: John Terry
CB: Virgil Van Dijk
RB: Trent Alexander Arnold
CM: Gerrard
CM: Lampard
CDM: Kante
LW: Hazard
ST: Drogba
RW: Salah
My team
There is no way Trent or Van Dijk get into that side. Chelsea quite literally have the greatest defence of all time except Milan. An actual joke, Van Dijk isn’t better than Carvallho or Desailly and Trent is isn’t a better defender than Ivanovic
If Trent was in that Chelsea team they would have concedes 30 goals. However they would have scored more as well.
Love your line up but Suarez was probably only even outscored Messi and Ronaldo at their peak. He was dominant in the PL he has to make the Xl
get drogba out of that side
When Paul was insulting zola you could just see Rory's soul leave his body hahahaha
Paul has no class whatsoever
@@harryfalm3118 as a liverpool fan, paul has a lot of bias but i love him for it icl
@Simon w But he is right. VvD is the best in the game today; but nowhere near the best of the Prem, forget the Baresis and Maldinis.
Comparing VvD to Desailly is like comparing Haaland to Brazillian Ronaldo. Best today but no where near what it was.
@@preetjitsingh328 dude vvd is one of the best ever at cb and desailly was great but vvd has been a way better player than him overall don't care if you think this is recency bias vvd is way better cb than desailly and for me their is no cb that ever played in the pl better than vvd
@@arsh_1092 That is nuts! No where near. Even Desailly one of the best in Prem, was not near Baresi and Maldini.
Desailly was way better. Look at the stats. Desailly captained the world cup victory. Started the nice football by Chelsea. Went up against the likes of Henry, Cantona, Owen and kept them quiet.
The likes of Overmars and Leonardo know what they are talking about. There are no #9 or #9.5.
CR7 should not be scoring as many goals as he does today. It's just that not many do play that role he does. So against a 37 year old CR7 and others, VvD looks good.
Here is how I compare them:
Marking: Desailly
Reading of game: Desailly
Tackling: Desailly
Heading : equal
Passing: VvD
Speed: before Desailly mid 30s, equal
Commanding the line: Desailly
GK- Cech
RB- Trent
CB- Terry
CB- VVD
LB- Cole
CDM- Kante
CM-Gerrard
CM- Lampard
RW- Salah
LW- Hazard
ST- Suarez
I won’t argue that Allison right now is not as good or even better than Cech was, but Cech done it for 10 years. In a few years it might be different. Ivanovic was excellent but his longevity doesn’t out shine Trents overall ability. Carvalho was excellent, underrated and made Terry world class by covering up for what Terry lacked, but you can’t leave out Terry and VVD. Cole and Robertson are world class but Cole has more years under his belt. Kante also has more years at the top than Fabinho. Drogba was massive big game player, zola was a gem and Mane has been fantastic and maybe in a year or 2 it’ll be different but Salah, Hazard at his peak and Suarez are mandatory
what about xabi alonso over kante
@@rakeshruparell6427 I’d definitely have Alonso in the Liverpool 11 over Thiago because Thiago has just had 1 good year in England. Kante was integral to Leicester winning the league and won the league and premier league player of the season in the same season at Chelsea. I think Alonso’s time at Liverpool is underrated but you can’t put a player in who wasn’t seen as the best CM in his own team at the time ahead of a CM who was premier league player of the year and at the heart of back to back league wins for 2 different clubs
Spot on with that team idk what anyone else is waffling on about
This is the only correct team
Hazard/Mane is the only debate but literally every other position is spot on and it’s not arguable. Mane or Hazard is purely preference it’s like rock n roll (Mane) vs jazz (Hazard)
Rory is a really good lad. I hope he has a long and healthy life. Top man. Paul is a great dude as well.
Is this Rory on his burner
I’m sure you hope you live Rory 😂😂
I feel like this is darkly sarcastic 😂
What about me? I'm a good lad too.
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Any time I watch Rory talk about football, I can’t stop wondering “how can a person know so much (stats-wise), yet so little about football”
He does my head in knows nlthing
Rory does take the mick too many times with his ridiculous comparisons, just talk football not stats class!!!
This right here...this is the comment i was looking for and didnt even know it
@@itsjayboydavid well stats are better if you wanna conpare if not by stats then its an opinion
the longevity of Ricardo Carvalho was amazing it's a shame his stay at Real wasn't as successful due to conflicts with Mourinho but what he did for Porto and Chelsea was amazing, he had a calm style of CB and was a good passer for his time and won the Euros at 38 years of age
Chelsea team: swap Wise for Makelele
Liverpool team: swap Thiago for Xabi Alonso and also Carragher for Hypia.
Exactly
Finally some sensible comment
I think we remember Alonso being better than he was because the team wasn't as talented back then, so his style and technique stood out more. I think Thiago is a miles better player. 100% agree on the rest though
Or maybe he had a harder time in an awful team. Put him in this Liverpool team
For me Chelsea 11:
GK: Petr Cech
LB: Ashley Cole
CB: John Terry
CB: Ricardo Carvalho
RB: Cesar Azpilicueta
CDM: N’Golo Kante
CDM: Claude Makelele
CAM: Frank Lampard
LW: Eden Hazard
ST: Didier Drogba
RW: Gianfranco Zola
Liverpool 11:
GK: Alisson
LB: Andrew Robertson
CB: Virgil Van Dijk
CB: Javier Mascherano (needs to be in team but tough to put him in midfield)
RB: Trent Alexander-Arnold
CDM: Xabi Alonso
CM: Steven Gerrard
CM: Thiago Alcantara
RW: Mohammed Salah
ST: Luis Suarez
LW: Sadio Mane
Hazard over Zola for me. Hazard has the most motm awards in PL history. Okay he didn’t get 20 a season but he created things with his dribbling and passing. He changed big games. And can still remember both of his ridiculous solo goals at anfield in the league and the carabao cup.
Hazard is the most overrated player ever
Rory is living in nostalgia. Zola Frank Joe Cole have all come out and said Hazard is the best player to play for Chelsea. Best PL player of the 2010s and one of the best in the Messi/Ronaldo generation.
@@train_simulaton_omar1637 if they’ve said that then they are all wrong. Most talented maybe but not best. He didn’t produce enough to be in that bracket. He didn’t win enough either. Robben was a far better player than hazard ever was:)
@@fredyscanlan so now you know more than the Chelsea legends? Hazard at Chelsea was far better than Robben was at Chelsea
@@train_simulaton_omar1637 people were calling him overrated at Chelsea his UCL record is awful. Brilliant talent Terrible mentality got his dream move and turned up overweight nah not a chance that isn't professional.
Didier Drogba robbed! Loved being on. Thanks for having me.
Sadio mane robbed more like
Always fun to watch you & Paul argue 😂 my absolute favorites 👏
@roryjennings Zola sneaking in there is both impressive and deserved 👏🏻
How've you not put Hazard up mate
@@-RSH r u dumb g? U mean Hazard was robbed u dumb clown 🤡
Drogba...changed the premier league...defined the lone striker role......he was the face who restored faith of Chelsea fans..if he was there then Chelsea would always win trophies
But Is not better than suarez. No chance
Suarez is twice the player Drogba ever was
Suarez didn’t take pens. He scored 31 goals in 34 games. 14 assists. Gerrard took 14 pens that season. If Suarez took the pens and played more games, he would have easily scored over 40 goals
@@joshg2603 Drogba didnt take pens either. Lampard did
@@joshg2603 he also has the fifth highest non penalty G/A /90 in league history.
GK: Kepa (or Karius)
RB: Nathaniel Clyne
CB: Kolo Toure
CB: Kolo Toure
LB: Baba Rahman
RM: Sheyi Ojo
CM: Kevin Stewart
LM: Ryan Kent
RW: Divock Origi
CF: Brendan Rodgers
LW: Divock Origi
I know Toure and Origi are such icons it makes sense to pick them twice, but SURELY someone like Lovren or Sakho deserves to make the team as well? And how could you forget Ryan Bertrand's legendary performance on the left wing in the Champions League final?
Agree with Rory. As a full back, Robertson is not in the same bracket as Cole, Alves, Maldini and Lahm.
Don't forget Robertson only cost 8 million.
Why? He's light years ahead of Cole going forward.
Neither is Trent
@@NathansWargames Cole was £5 mil with the snake Gallas going the other way (pound-for-pound that's incredible value, even for the time)
@@Swan94y He can be better than all of them he’s only 23
GK: Cech
RB: TAA
LB: Cole
CB's: Terry and VVD
CDM: Kante
CM: Lampard and Gerrard
RW: Salah
LW: Hazard
CF: Drogba
W
@@gilerzz491 agree with everything, except Suarez needs to be in the front 3.
Only right answer
@@TuraisWorldwide no way, Drogba all day
drogba with one season with 20+ goals no chance hes better than suarez and its not even close
The idea of Čech vs Alisson needing to be debated is laughable. Alisson has had four seasons in the Prem that don't come close to Čech's first five seasons, he's had one 80% saves vs SoT season in his entire career at Roma and only one above 75% in the Prem. Čech was the best goalie in the Prem and arguably the world in an era when it was harder to stand out, after a traumatic brain injury as well. Liverpool can get away with lesser quality between the posts because their system (and brilliance in executing it) ensures the ball is mostly kept in the other half. Čech would have not only faced more chances closer to his goal but from better goalscorers too. Even fairly recently in his last two seasons (at age 35/36) he faced higher quality chances as illustrated by his higher PSxG/SoT, and that was his only season that barely dropped below the 70% save rate that Alisson is struggling to just average above in his prime.
Even better, Čech was still performing at a higher level in his first two seasons at Arsenal. It's objectively not even worth discussing.
In the modern game Allison is by far the better keeper.
Distribution is much more important, cech and de gea are maybe the best of the old generation of keepers.
They aren't wanted by clubs now
What are you on about the Liverpool cbs are at half way line every game cech would get found out very easily in that system ali is levels above
That is ridiculous. In terms of impact Alisson has probably been Liverpools best signing. Also there's more to a goalkeepers game than save percentage, I'm also remembering back then a lot more shots coming from long range strikers of the ball than what we see today.
yes let's ignore the fact that liverpool's back line is sat on the halfway line... i'm not saying Alisson is over Cech but your arguement is nonsense. (btw nice try with trying to back ur arguement up with more numbers than there actually is, nice eye deception)
Cech beats Allison in every aspect accept Allison has better feet. Both brilliant keepers tho
My Combined XI (Fan of neither team)
GK-Cech
RB-Trent
CB-VVD
CB-Terry
LB-Cole
CM-Gerrard
CM-Kante
CM-Lampard
RW-Salah
ST-Drogba
LW-Hazard
No Suarez are u mad
@@milneristhegoat6025 Not over Drogba plus His best Year's were in a barca shirt.
@@milneristhegoat6025 more worrying Ivanovic is left out tbf
Suarez clear
I'm going to take the striker that lead his time to the PL title on multiple occasionsover a Striker who's best football was played in spain..
i love every discussion that involved Paul Machin, he is a phenom as Liverpool fans representative
Suarez scored 31 goals WITHOUT penalty and that season Gerrard scored 10 from penalty
Against relegation fodder. Drogba scores important big game goals that actually won trophies.
@@JnoPrds how can you put 'big games that win trophies' to PL context? what type of match is that 'BIG GAME'? and give me the stat or data to back your argument up
if you wider the context outside PL, then Suarez is a clear winner no matter what context you put on
what i love about Machin is, he always argue within context (that sometime narrowing his argument in the debate that clearly he can win)
I’m a Liverpool fan and yes Suarez had one good albeit extra-ordinary season for us, but if this argument is based on premier league alone, then Drogba ahead of Suarez based on his longevity and moreover Drogba was a beast; he turned up on several grand occasions for chelsea
@@nnaemekaokoro1394 then, if the argument is longetivity and trophy, no one from Liverpool in the team, so to get even one to the team, our man Paul clearly argue on skill and completely deny any argument around longetivity and trophy from the start
they created PL combined team based on skill and eye test, and the impact of player to PL as a whole
that why, TAA and Cole there, both revolutionise the role of Fullback
VVD, Gerrard, and Salah is the best we ever seen for their respective position
and then, there is Suarez, the best PL striker based on everything possible you can think, except longetivity and trophy
@Faqih Abdurrahman people like you need people like us to put 'big games that will trophies' into context for you because its not as easy as just looking up their stats and thinking the one with better stats was the better player. So many people who weren't around to watch them play inform themselves in this was and it leads to disrespect on so many players. I can't give you stats but I can try and explain it to you.
Before Drogba and Mourinho most teams in the PL played with 2 strikers. Then they came and Drogba did everything himself. He was the focal point of Chelsea's attack. His holdup play, awareness and ability to bring his teammates into play was unbelievable. Its about the technical aspects of the game. The keeper or defence could kick it up the pitch and Drogba's first touch and control was just perfect. He did it all by himself and that allowed Mourinho to pack the midfield so it was 3 against 2 most games. All these things Drogba did helped them win games. And that's all football is about. It's not about boosting your own stats and waiting for tap ins. It's about getting results and winning trophies. And the things he did made Chelsea really hard to beat for years. He didn't need to score as Man as other strikers because he was doing so much in the buildup to goals. Making runs, occupying both CBs and creating space for teammates etc.
To add to it all when his team really needed a goal, he was the one that always scored. It wasn't luck because he did it for years. He scored in like 10 different cup finals (one of them obviously being at the end of the Champions League final in 2012). And he was constantly scoring in the big Premier League games (ask any Arsenal fan that was around at the time seriously). And in that 09/10 season where he got 29 goals and 13 assists in 32 games (37 and 16 in 44 all comps) so many of them came against the big 6. Like a ridiculous number.
It's hard for people who didn't watch him because they can't just look up the stats and decide but there's a reason he has the reputation he does and there's a reason he's put on a pedestal with players with much better stats.
Back 5 picks itself but this is tough
Cech
Trent Terry VVD Cole
Lampard Kante Gerrard
Salah Suarez Hazard
Such a difficult task but I think I agree with this, given the selection on offer 👍
This is an elite team damn 😂😂
I am sorry but trent is so overrated all time wise
I am sorry but trent is so overrated all time wise
@@aungkhant1850 not really just that rb is a very weak -position in the prem
GK-Cech
RB-Trent
CB-Terry
CB-Van Dijk
LB-Cole
CM-Lampard
CM-Kante
CM-Gerrard
RW-Salah
ST-Suarez
LW-Hazard
Now THIS is the perfect combined starting 11!
Absolutely perfect
Hmm. I'd still go with Drogba, for the fact that Suarez was only at Liverpool for two or three years and never won anything. Drogba consistently won us trophies for close to a decade
Pretty good for me…but, Kante in the “Makalele” role?
@@tankourito5419 of course you would still go with drogba, you’re a Chelsea fan. It’s a fact that Suarez was the better player though, and by some distance
Bruv Thiago😂😂he’s been there for like 8/9 months how is he in the conversation for best in the premier league era???
I would of possibly put Xabi Alonso inatead of thiago
2 years
Yea Thiago was the worst pick out of everyone
Ability as at time playing counts.
Yup that Liverpool guy was a joke.
Hazard not making this team is hilarious. Light years ahead of everyone on this team
Hahahaha definitely a stretch. Suarez is the best player in this whole team by miles
@@shayannazeri76 hazard and Suarez easily make the best
Nope
@@shayannazeri76 nah Suarez ain't better than Hazard bt they are similar
@@Whatabozo9 yeap
Cheers for having me on. Sincere apologies to Gianfranco Zola, a good player but too small, slow and lacking in goals for this team 😁
Bro that Chelsea fan is on crack an idiot an embarrassment to football. And your just so chill haha
usually respect you Paul but that Hazard opinion is a big dent in how I rate your football knowledge. Think you're only saying that coz you have a Salah agenda. Also not mentioning coutinho at all and putting Thiago over him is ridiculous
@@RPCentral7 agreed. Honestly I’d have Henderson and Coutinho over Fabinho and Thiago
Drogba has 2 golden boots
@@RPCentral7 Nah he just said that to get back at Rory for the VVD comment lol.
How come there's all this chat about that one Suarez season where he scored against relegation fodder, but no one ever mentions that Drogba scored 29 goals and made 13 assists in the PL in 09/10. He only played 32 games.
Exactly, and Lampard took 90% of the penalties that season. Drogba also went to afcons that year. Missed some games. So impressive. Winning the PL title too.
And lampard took the penalties...like if drogba took the penalties like salah he'd have comfortably gotten 35 goals
Suarez scored 31 and assisted 17 while playing 33 games in 2014...playing with Jon Flanagan Aly Cisoko and Joe Allen..not even a comparison when you consider their ability on the ball and workrate/pressing off it.... in that year Suarez battered all the big teams singlehandedly aswell Arsenal Spurs Chelsea United and City....different gravy
Because people remember too much of historical narratives and not reality
Because Suarez had literally the best attacking season the PL has ever seen and missed the first 8 games.
Didier was great but when you average 7 goals a season for 7 of your 9 years, I laugh when you get compared to someone Suarez!!
It’s all goals to games and stats for mane V hazard but when it’s Lampard V Gerrard the goals shouldn’t matter and it’s about the style
They played the same position but a different role…Lampard was way more advanced than Gerrard, who had to do more defensive work
Goals matter for attackers passing defending and attacking matter for cms
Wingers score goals/get assists. Cams have different types and Lampard was way more attacking than Gerrard. It’s different positions lad
@@mcslipper8875 hazards a better playmaker
Not really, the reason you can’t compare goals to game ratio with Gerrard vs Lampard is Lampard played in far superior teams
4:27 Alisson has 54 caps, Ederson has 18. Alisson is deffo first choice Brazil goalie
Ederson is still better
@@hbsblkk3842 hell no
No he isn’t, literally a year ago he (Ederson) was the first choice gk
Exactly like alisson was the clear number 1 through the 2019 copa they won, since then they’ve literally alternated and that’s where most of edersons 18 caps have come from. Like In the most recent copa and World Cup campaign they literally alternated every game (even third choice weverton got a game here and there). They’re like a year apart In age and alisson has almost 40 more caps of course Brazil prefers to play him.
Drogba scored 29 goals in 30 games in the prem back in 2011 I think, also scored in the champions league and FA cup multiple times.
Edit: Just checked it was in 2009/10 and he scored 29 goals and 13 assists in 32 games, he also had more goals per minute than Suarez in his best season.
im not trying to say he had a better season but it is pretty comparable.
one played for chelsea marseille and galatasary, the other played for Ajax, Liverpool, Barcelona and Athletico Madrid, and is probably the best 9 the world has ever seen apart from R9. it's only comparable if u forget everything else apart from prem trophies.
Can’t believe Roberto Carlos hasn’t been mentioned as the best LB in the world!
How can you even have the cheek to argue Robertson over Cole 🤦♂️
@J D no offence to Robertson but he is nowhere near as good as Cole
@J D and Ashley cole is the best left back ever
Going forward Robertson.. defensively cole
@@James-yc3wm as an overall fullback, its cole.
well if I was to pick any premier league LB that is closest to Cole, it would be Robertson
My man put Thiago in there after 1 season, he’s funny
Fr tho
I’d pick Hendo over Thiago 100%
Because it’s about how GOOD, not how LONG!
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 bro thiago has been decent for liverpool
It's funny that for Lampard /Gerrard every agrees that stats should be ignored. But for Hazard and Drogba/ Suarez and Mane you are looking at Stats.
I noticed for Kante he's in because of the titles he helped Chelsea win, but Zola got in despite not winning them. Suppose it's whatever works to suit your agenda 😂
@@stevenandrews3891 Notice how Zola and kante played completely different roles 🤔.
Liverpool fans using whether metric that suits their agenda. What else is new 🤣🤣
@@harryfalm3118 I'm not making a point to suit any Liverpool bias, just stating how Rory said Kante's in because he's helped Chelsea win titles. But then ignored Mane despite him helping Liverpool win those same titles, titles Zola never won with Chelsea. I've nothing against Zola being in the team, just making a point about how they change the metric used to include who they want to include (like only judging Thiago for his time at Liverpool but including Kante's league-winning season at Leicester as a further reason for his inclusion, ignoring Fab winning the French league over PSG)
Cause they’re forwards. 100% the stats do matter for them.
It’s incredible to know that Ashley Cole is considered the greatest left back of all time in England and outside of England he is just considered as a good left back from the 2000s.
That is incredible. He was the best left back in the world for a good 5 - 7 years. But many people don't really understand the game at all.
wot…
He’s overrated in England. Was a good left back but the way some people go on about him is mad
@@lk7923 he isn’t overrated and I’m a Liverpool fan so no sentiments attached. Ashley Cole was damn too good in his prime and let’s not forget he was also a huge part of Arsenal’s invincibles.
England players are always hyped up when the rest of the world doesn’t really care
Paul and Rory are such a perfect comedic pair - Rory’s complete absurdity next to Paul’s dry wit, they’re so funny together
For me
GK - Čech
CB - Terry
CB - van Dijk
RB - TAA
LB - Cole
DM - Kanté
CM - Gerrard
CM - Lampard
RW - Salah
LW - Suárez
CF - Drogba
Lol Even James is better than that fraud 🤣🤣🤣
That is the only correct one
Would literally be my team if I could switch up the positions like this to have Suarez and Drogba.
Hazard has to be in there, he’s better than Suarez, Salah and Drogba
@@barry4649 No he's not
I am a Chelsea fan and this is my combined team:
GK: Petr Cech
LB: Ashley Cole
CB: John Terry
CB: Virgil Van Dijk
RB: Trent Alexander-Arnold
CDM: N’Golo Kante
CM: Steven Gerrard
CM: Frank Lampard
RW: Mohammed Salah
ST: Luis Suarez
LW: Eden Hazard
Spot on
W
Right on
That is perfect
Id take Fabihno over Kante personally but yeah thats a boss 11
Gk- Cech
Rb- trent
Cb- terry
Cb- van dijk
Lb- cole
Cm- Lampard
Cm- Gerard
Cm- Kante
Rw - salah
Lw- hazard
St- Drogba
Nice
Same exept drogba out suarez in
LoL.. Drogba.. Mane is a much better player.. let alone Suarez.
@@yomomma98989 drogba better than mane
14:40 when they were discussing Thiago's ball playing abilities and he says "you're literally holding a picture of Dennis Wise" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
GK: Alisson Becker
RB: Cesar Azpilicueta
RCB: John Terry
LCB: Virgil Van Dijk
LB: Ashley Cole
CDM: N’Golo Kante
RCM: Frank Lampard
LCM: Steven Gerrard
RW: Mohammed Salah
ST: Didier Drogba
LW: Eden Hazard
Liverpool fan here, My all time Liverpool Chelsea 11, cech, Trent, John terry, Virgil van dijk, Ashley Cole ,makalale, Steven Gerrard, frank lampard, Eden hazard, drogba And salah that’s my all time 11
Exactly the same as yours bro
Chelsea fan and I got the exact same one :) how can he not put hazard in the team. Freaking disgrace
Drogba is not better than Suarez you’re absolutely delusional
Chelsea fan, and almost exactly the same, but Kante over Makelele and unfortunately Suarez (who I loathe) over Drogba (who I love) 😅
Drogba over Suarez, did u watch Liverpool in 2014?
The disrespect to Drogba is insane 😂
That’s what happens when you average 7 goals a season for 7 seasons (take away his two good years) as a striker… He was strong… thats it. Not at same level as the rest.
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 take away his 2 good years . Well no? Cuz u only say that because if u don’t. U have no point
Drogba was a big game player who had a set of fantastic moments and for that reason is a Premier League icon but Suarez was simply a much more consistent player who literally had the best individual season in prem history
Ikr, and they left out Andy Carroll all together
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 Take away his good years and he's not had any good years? what kind of argument is that.
the fact that these guys really argued Alison vs Cech is beyond stupid 😂
I love Alison but it’s not even a conversation!!!
Not only does Cech has that 15 conceded goals record, he is probably the only goal keeper in the world that was forced to take a blood/urine test after displaying an almost supernatural performance during the UCL final against Bayern... he carried that Chelsea team in that game to glory. He won the first UCL for Chelsea!! When everyone else was celebrating in the dressing room, he was taken away to take a freaking urine test lol
totally agree. people forget that cech literally held the world record for minutes without conceding. When talking goalkeeping, during his era cech was beyond stupid for quality. Only world record alisson had was his record transfer fee as a gk to liverpool at the time lol
@@adamjhillman_ Only Edwin van der Sar is clear of cech
@@harryfalm3118 No. Van Der Sar has 132 clean sheets, Cech has 202 (thats 70 more btw)
@@harryfalm3118 In terms of the Premier League era there is only one keeper who is up there with Cech and it's Schmeichel. Van der Sar was a fantastic keeper but he played the majority of his career at other clubs and definitely wasn't as dominant as either Cech or Schmeichel in the Prem.
Alisson is a better goalie, but we'll play up to nostalgia.
We've all seen Cech try playing in a highline before
Joe Thomlinson has really good ball knowledge, every time he chimed in I nearly agreed. Hazard is so disresepcted
People love to say Drogba didn’t score goals but what did you expect when he played with the greatest goal scoring midfielder of all time. The goals were shared. Drogba could have easily had more goals
Man said he never seen more talented midfielder than Thiago.
I’m guessing zidane played golf 🥱
Probably never rated Thiago before he joined liverpool
The presenter, who is also a Man Utd fan, said after messi he was the best player he’d ever seen live. It’s called an opinion mate
He meant live not on tv
He meant live you bellend listen to what he said “🥱🥱”
On talent alone, Suarez is the best player I've ever seen at Liverpool in 40 years of watching. So yeah, I agree on him being included here.
I would of switched Zola for hazard then it would be perfect
L take
Shut up
Is Hazard in the same bracket with Mané??
@@Jeff-ui6th he’s levels above mane
@@censored6230 Hazard's prem record doesn't even compare to Mane's record in the prem
Hazard might be becoming the most underrated player of all time
Agreed
Gk - Cech
RB - Trent Alexander-Arnold
CB - Terry and VVD
LB - Cole
CM - Kante, Gerrard and Lampard
RW - Salah
St - Suarez
LW - Hazard
The only team that makes sense here.
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I think fabregas xabi Alonso and kante are interchangeable but very on point
I also think Carvalho could swap with virg. That Chelsea defense was otherworldy
Drogba over Suarez. Got to give it to Rory for his consistency and leadership argument.
Leadership? Suarez led our team through carrying us for a whole season. That’s genuine leadership, not going ‘oh come on lads let’s do a bit better’
Drogba’s record isn’t great in the PL…254 games 104 goals is nothing special considering he was playing for the best team
@@bot-cf6ir He led you to a carling cup congrats, if thats the level of leadership then im taking Drogba.
Saures also jumped ship and then went on to be better, he wasnt top when he was prem like Drogba was
@@GIBBO4182 Drogba 168 goal contributions in 254 games for his time in the Premier League.
Yes... he wasn't as a prolific scorer as Suarez. His goals though carried Chelsea to more league titles and trophies than Suarez did in his time in the top division of English Football. If Luis had stayed for longer then he would probably be ahead of him in the pecking order. But he left Liverpool to be more successful in La Liga with Barcelona.
Thiago plays well for half a season and now he’s in the all time team
Agree, should've been Alonso or Henderson in place of Thiago
That’s Liverpool fans for you, they complete a couple of passes and suddenly they’re the best in the world
Kronos has been doing that for 8 years
Thiago has been great for 2 seasons, only thing that's been a let down are his injuries. Fantastic from the word go when he came on against Chelsea, and save for a single game against Leicester been consistently great
Cech wipes the floor with alisson why are they even discussing it
because Allison is only keeper to ever win 3 golden gloves in one season
Probably because one played for a Mourinho coached defensive Chelsea team and one is playing for a Klopp coached high line playing Liverpool team. You can say Cech was better, but don’t make it seem like Ali doesn’t deserve a shout.
Probably because one played for a Mourinho coached defensive Chelsea team and one is playing for a Klopp coached high line playing Liverpool team. You can say Cech was better, but don’t make it seem like Ali doesn’t deserve a shout.
Probably because one played for a Mourinho coached defensive Chelsea team and one is playing for a Klopp coached high line playing Liverpool team. You can say Cech was better, but don’t make it seem like Ali doesn’t deserve a shout.
“He just did that” LOOOOOOOOL!!!! Rory is the best thing on TH-cam man 🤣
Hazard was so disrespected in this conversation
Rory putting Denis wise in his team 😂
i was shocked as a Chelsea fan
I couldn’t believe it 😂
Realistically that spot should be Jorginho or Essien but both were great for like 2 years max
@@barry4649 Jorginho is nowhere near. It should be makelele
@@Sahota2002 I agree. Jorginho isn't consistent for long periods
GK: Cech
RB: Trent
CB: Terry
CB: Virgil
LB: Cole
CDM: Makeliele
CM: Steven
CM: Lampard
RW: Salah
ST: Drogba
LW: Hazard
Suarez over drogba and Kante over makalele
Only one id argue is Ivanovic for trent other than that it bangs
@@nathanfranklin1151 Nope u must be high on class A as Suarez scored 4 hattrick against Norwich
@@darkstar4102 drogba in the PL wasn't that great - bar 2 seasons his goal returns in the league were very poor. So he may of been around for a number of years but really was only a top league striker for 2 of them. Suarez had the greatest individual season I'd say in prem history. I'd even put prime Torres who came third in the ballon d'Or ahead of the drogba. Just go watch that 13/14 Suarez season again, man was scoring unreal goals most weeks. I say that as a united fan 😂
@@nathanfranklin1151 Yep Sureaz is one season wonder lol Drogba won golden boot twice.
Suarez over drogba 100% drogba was good in the big games but what Suarez could do was unreal and I’d have hazard over zola
Absolute clown
Agree.
No way is Suarez better than Drogba
@@jordanc8761 ability wise suarez is a different animal
@@jordanc8761 suarez is a better footballer, better passer, better scorer than Drogba, everything that Drogba does, suarez does it better expect maybe heading.
The debate was all time best PL 11 ?
Cech
Trent
Van Dijk
Terry
Cole
Kante
Lampard
Gerrard
Salah
Drogba/Suarez (so tough to choose)
Hazard
There it’s fixed.
Paul picking a midfield and not putting coutinho over thiago is mad
Drogba is things made of LEGEND....
I’m a city fan but wouldn’t you have xabi alonso over Thiago
Rory on top form here, love it 🤣
No kunt needed to hear him tell us 15 goals 15 times tho
Not really😂 How can he say Van Dijk is overrated, shocking. I love him but needs a shaking up
You cant leave hazard out of this team, prime hazard was one of the best players in prem history
Rory has some unsettling issue with Hazard...He always has something against Hazard....he saved his team's ass multiple times and because he just didn't turn up fr one season he is salty lol and didn't even bother arguing fr him
Hazard is levels above Mane. I'm a Chelsea fan but the things he did when at his prime he was the third best player in the world.
He's much more creative and tricky than Mane.
If I remember correctly, the third best player at the time was Neymar.
@@zwavhudimudzanani9335 Hazard was the 3rd best player itw in his last season at Chelsea
Did he even win the champions league with chelsea
Disappeared in the big games
@@jamescain707 literally scored a single penalty outside the group stages in Europe
Paul NEEDS to be on more, this guy is amazing!
Agreed, Scouse humour, loved the way he stuck Suarez in.
@@anthonybrady2779 no one likes scouse humour
@@lucaschancellor5262 See so pep was wrong, nobody supports Liverpool. Humour or otherwise.
@@lucaschancellor5262Go and watch some PewDiePie kid, lol.
Everytime I see a video with Rory in he just proves more and more how much he doesn't understand football
True
He’s spoke facts in this what u on about?
@@jordanc8761 picking wise over makelele does prove his point.
Rory is a hyperbolic fool
@@gureyg3795 he’s his idol so that’s the reason
They kind of bogged themselves in by going with a 433. I would have had it as a 442 and gone:
Cech
Trent VVD Terry Cole
Salah Gerrard Lampard Hazard
Drogba Suarez
Too attackish
Gerrard and lampard can be box to box to be fair
this is exactly what didnt work for england, lampard and gerrard need a midfielder behind them so 433 is better
It’s about stats until it’s a conversation about lampard and Gerrard😂
Stats is all lampard has because in regards to pure footballing ability lampard lives in Gerrards shadow
@@OSCARFROG same applies to Hazard and Salah
@@lk7923 yeah Hazard was miles above Salah...and also the way he carried his team was unbelievable
I like Rory but there’s absolutely no way VVD is that overrated. He’s been the best CB in the world since he joined Liverpool yet he’s being compared to Carvalho😂😂
You clearly never watched Carvalho play, and there are no other great centre backs currently. It's easy to be the best when the people equal to you or better than you are all retired
Van Dijk's competition is Diaz. It says it all
@Harry Stevenson take Terry away and carvalho showed how average he was. Genuinely on maguires level, not as clumsy
@@tankourito5419 I have no doubt he was an incredible player but Van Dijk is genuinely flawless as a defender
@@ashwilliams4959 didn’t Carvalho win the Champions League without Terry?
@Harry Stevenson Calvalho was an absolute beast, possibly IMO even better than Terry in that partnership, but he played in a Mourinho system that was setup super defensively, there's no way he'd be anywhere near as good in Liverpool's high line. VVD could play in any defensive setup and be a god, easily the best defender in the world and it's not close.
How dare you say Xabi had one good season for us? Paul…
I think he means that Xabi only had one stand-out season, which was 2008/09. He had two very ordinary seasons prior to that, but probably a bit harsh.
People forget drogba was rattled with injuries at his prime and came back even stronger
GK: Petr Cech
RB: Branislav Ivanovic
CB: Jamie Carragher
CB: John Terry
LB: Ashley Cole (Biggest no brainer)
CM: Steven Gerrard
CM: Michael Ballack
CM: Frank Lampard
RW: Mohammed Salah
ST: Luis Suarez
LW: Eden Hazard
Take the whole Chelsea XI and put Gerrard and Salah in there, done.
Cech, TAA, Van Dijk, Terry, Cashley Cole, Lampard, Gerrard, Makelele, Salah, Drogba, Hazard
I’m Liverpool fan
Mine was identical to this but for Kante over Makelele. Both beasts.
Bro this is why I don’t mind if mane leaves the disrespect
@@alidiackronaldo9099 are you a child or something? These lists are subjective.
@@alidiackronaldo9099 not disrespecting mane at all , him and hazard are both great players, but hazard had a leadership role in Chelsea
The liverpool d riders in British media is crazy
For Liverpool I'd choose Owen wh9 would make the final squad cuz young Micheal Owen in his prime was untouchable
Also if Saurez played at least 5 seasons he would be here no doubt
Why they forgot about El Ninho???
He was the best ever in his time at Liverpool, and chelsea fans know it absolutely better than anybody else.
His transfer to chelsea ruined all his career, but what class of player he was, why nobody didn't tell about him
Suarez was better than Torres as good as Torres was.
It’s not only about goals and assists, people tend to get blinded by that these days. Even attacking players can bring so much to the team without being the one scoring the goal or providing the assist. Eden hazard dominated games in his pomp, as did drogba, and not just the basic premier league games. Harry Kane has outscored drogba massively over his career, but how much weight do you put on a hat-trick against Norwich vs a goal in an fa cup or champions league final? One might win you the golden boot, but the other wins you the champions league.
As a Chelsea fan I wish you'd gotten another Chelsea fan to represent the team. Van Dijk obviously goes in over Carvalho. Zola over Hazard is absolutely ridiculous.
probably chelsea fan since 2010 or so
How is Maych not putting Hyypiä into his Liverpool XI? He's our best CB after VVD in the Prem era for sure
Feel like it was strange not to mention Xabi Alonso too
Carra was obviously a sentimental shout
Zola OVER Hazard , Mane ... COME ONNN
Rory has lost his marbles
It would be nice to see these kinda videos with people who know about football. Picking Thiago in all time XI is mental. Leaving Hazard out is even more mental.
Them arguing between Cole and Robertson 😂😂😂😂😂
Drogba > Suarez... I like Suarez as a striker but Drogba was big game match player and brought it when you needed it most... I've Arsenal fans even concede on Drogba over Henry for Finals match
If it actually was of all time liverpool from the 70s and 80s would be most of the team
Yeah this concept is really dumb. They should call it a PL XI but of course football began in 1992 and we are all living in the past🙄🙄
Stop living in past you Liverpool clown 🤡
Livarpool fans are stuck in the past
@@Swan94y trust me
@@Swan94y not really. Take a look at that combined 11 and you'll see most of the Chelsea players are from the past.
I’m a Liverpool fan and had makelele at CDM , Rory is tweaking leaving him out for Dennis Wise
"Haven't considered Xabi Alonso at all" this is where I switched off.
Paul Machin and Rory Jennings: what a combo!
As a Chelsea fan I think Drogba and Hazard have to be in this team! I'm Old Skool and have supported Chelsea from the 80s and can't believe the bias towards Sauarz on this!
suarez is in the debate for greatest striker to ever grace the game, drogba is not even close. Suarez is miles clear and if you disagree you need to see a doctor
@@thelargegirth473 Are You Stupid, its pl 11 not world 11.i agree with you on Suarez greatest striker of Spanish league or even world but he is not greatest of pl.
Not even gonna lie it’s debatable that since 2010 Suarez has been the 3rd best player
Suarez is probably the best striker to ever play in the prem, on pure ability (could argue Henry.) What goes against him is that he only played 3 and a half seasons and the team he was in was awful. Remember in 13/14 he missed the first 5 games through suspension and scored 31 in 33 without taking a single penalty (and Liverpool had 12 penalties that season). He could have realistically scored 40+ that season under normal circumstances which is bonkers.
Also, he scored 30 in 44 games in all comps the year before too, which doesn't get talked about enough because of how good 13/14 was.
@@thelargegirth473 what does that have to do with premier league legacy? You judge them by their premier league legacy, not their overall career.