Jiricek has flaws he's 21 and has potential similar how jets fans view Heinola. But if you were to offer a 1st+2nd+3rd+Daemon Hunt a 22 WHL guy for Heinola or Salomonsson I'd take it. You can't judge this trade until 2-3yrs from now when you find out who the 1st/2nd/3rd turn into. It definitely seems like a good deal for jackets imo it's a Chevaldayoff move fans won't like it rn but when those 2/3 picks contribute with Mataychuk,Svozil,Elick,Cuelemans,Dumais,Fantilli,Sillinger,Johnson ect that's the time core going forward.
It's kind of worrying that a team is giving up on a 21 year old they drafted 6th overall. Either they know something we don't or this is borderline self sabotage. Lol.
The answer for "What happened David Jiricek with the Blue Jackets" is simple; the GM (and presumably the scouting staff) that drafted him are gone. The new guys in town didnt like him as much.
I think its better than it could have been. I think both "win" the trade. Lots for Bluejackets will depend on who they will pick with the picks they got
Top-4? We traded a more than likely bottom first rounder and 3 other rounds that rarely ever make it to the NHL. Good gamble in my opinion, if they can fix his skating.
The Wild will likely finish in a decent spot this year and in the coming years. All those picks will be toward the end of those rounds. It's a no-brainer for the Wild. If he is half as good as they think, it will be worth it. The Wild always finish well enough to never get a top-10 pick.
@@tonykung8756 You're kind of stupid aren't you? Anything but the top 10 in the first round are all pure gambles. We gave up nothing for a decent gamble. It won't hurt us either way.
I miss the Deweys, as we calked Duhaime and Dewar. Nice kids with a ton of heart! Dewar has a knack on the PK of breakaways...sneaky speed. Duhaime, always ready to mix it up, drop the gloves and throw down...
As Jackets’ fan … I was saying exactly the same thing as Steve until the last minute before the trade. No need to do this trade. He was in the AHL where he belongs. Its not Wadell’s job to cater to every whim of these kids. It didn’t matter if Jiricek “felt” he was ready for the NHL. One more year of big minutes on a good, winning Monsters team wouldn’t hurt him in any way except his and Walshes wallet. The return is low 1st in a bad draft year + irrelevat garbage. THIS was the best offer on the table? I wanna kick Wadell in the “Steve Danglers”.
Jiricek can't skate well and he's tall & skinny - he's a giraffe out there. Saw him in person when the Leafs played in Columbus last December (the game where Samsonov couldn't stop a beach ball). He looked stiff and uncomfortable. Problem was he was insisting he's NHL ready when he's not. He couldn't beat out the corpse of Jack Johnson for playing time on the 3rd D pair. Maybe he fills out over time and becomes a reliable skater. But it wasn't happening in Columbus. Waddell's not attached to him - he wasn't Don's pick - so deal him at his max value for a bunch of assets.
I hope the Flyers offered Drysdale for Jiricek, even just as a joke. He was enough for the 5th overall pick, so surely he'd be enough for the 6th overall pick, right?
This is a high pick and he wants to earn some of the bonuses in his contract. Only makes 82,000 in the minors. Seems like his agent did a lousy job not getting more money for AHL play. It is surprising that more teams could not have offered as good or better deal. It is a little baffling for a RD of this caliber to go so cheap. Hell Toronto could have offered a better deal with CBJ needing goalie prospects or RD Danforth. Seems like there is something that is making teams hesitate here.
I hope Guerin saw something in this kid that the Jackets did not. It will be interesting to see where he slots in. I can't imagine he goes down to Iowa with that price tag.
I hope you do ask Adam.... I started off by thinking Mateychuk and Svozil, but finding out that these 2 Columbus dmen are left shooters, unless Columbus is going to play them on right side, then Columbus has Ceulemans - another first round pick selection, and Clayton, both hanging out in Cleveland and both under 24.
The Wild have pulled off a heist here. They would have to trade up 10+ spots into at least the top 15 to get a RHD remotely resembling Jiricek in this draft, which likely means paying two 2nds in addition to their 1st for a player that would be 3+ years away from being ready.
@@mikehofer432 I do understand that viewpoint (As a Habs fan, I did not like the Newhook trade, which is sort of similar to this one), but I don't think the quality of the picks that you're sending away is very high considering the upside with Jiricek. The 2025 draft is weak and the Wild's pick will be late, the 2nd is 2 years away and will probably also be late, and 3rd and 4th round picks rarely turn into anything If Jiricek were draft eligible this year (at his current age and with all the information we have about him now), how many players would you take ahead of him?
hazards of doing a live trade analysis without knowing the details. Jiricek did not want to go develop in the AHL and asked to be traded instead of going back to AHL. He needs to develop, but didn't want to. Wild have to keep him in NHL where he will be exposed early on. Not saying he will bomb, but David unnecessarily turned himself into a boom or bust prospect purely for his impatience.
Columbus decoded theyd rather die than let the kid play in yet another nothing season for the team. Whats the risk? I dont get it; let him play, and more importantly, develop instead of rotting in a press box. Now we trade him to a team that came into the league the same year as we did and continue to stack up poorly next to them.
Columbus doesn’t believe in the concept of a rebuild, even if they ended up at the bottom of the league multiple times in the last decade, it was almost always accidental. Same reason they played with Johnson’s development, you are young and not performing up to our standards ? GTFO !
Unfortunately what happened is his glaring weaknesses (terrible skating and defense) never improved in 3 years time, even after 2 GMs and 2 coaches. Ultimately he has plenty of time to turn it around, this trade will only be won or lost based on hindsight.
Minnesota paid a very big price for an unproven prospect. Can be a top 4 but they already have Faber. Feel like Columbus won this trade by a landslide. I think getting a Patterson or even a Matheson would of been 10x better for them.
He hardly got a chance to get into a rhythm last year. They dicked him around all season constantly being sent down to the minors then being called up a day or two later and not just a couple times it was probably close to 10 times, and when he was up he’d play a game and then sit for 3. They didn’t handle him well last year and he didn’t get over that. They should have kept him in the minors all year and you know, let him work on his game maybe.
Steve needs to do his research first. Yes jiricek is young. Yes he can be sent down and would benefit. But jiricek was demanding he was nhl ready and said he did not want to be sent down.
Likely a win for Jiricek. Columbus doesn't seem to have much in terms of development and support. As Steve mentioned, he's still young and most players aren't Norris candidates at 20. If he's got a solid foundation (he should since he was drafted so high), let him develop in your AHL club (which is what they are for) so he can improve his skills and continue to grow (physically, mentally). It doesn't look like Minnesota's AHL club (Iowa Wild) is overly successful (in terms of record), but hopefully they have good staff and resources to develop the players for the big club. The kid just turned 21 and is a 6'3", 209 lb right shot defenseman. You can't teach that, so if he's already decent at playing hockey, work with him. I like the deal for Minnesota, as long as they can develop him.
An end of round 1st and a small left-shot dman whose ceiling is regular nhl 3rd pairing were the only statistically useful assets going CBJ's way. Take your meds.
The Connor Dewar trade tree grows!!!!
Wild were already legit AF
Faber, Jiricek and Zeev Buium (sp) that's going to be tasty.
Jiricek has flaws he's 21 and has potential similar how jets fans view Heinola. But if you were to offer a 1st+2nd+3rd+Daemon Hunt a 22 WHL guy for Heinola or Salomonsson I'd take it. You can't judge this trade until 2-3yrs from now when you find out who the 1st/2nd/3rd turn into.
It definitely seems like a good deal for jackets imo it's a Chevaldayoff move fans won't like it rn but when those 2/3 picks contribute with Mataychuk,Svozil,Elick,Cuelemans,Dumais,Fantilli,Sillinger,Johnson ect that's the time core going forward.
It's kind of worrying that a team is giving up on a 21 year old they drafted 6th overall. Either they know something we don't or this is borderline self sabotage. Lol.
The answer for "What happened David Jiricek with the Blue Jackets" is simple; the GM (and presumably the scouting staff) that drafted him are gone. The new guys in town didnt like him as much.
I think its better than it could have been. I think both "win" the trade. Lots for Bluejackets will depend on who they will pick with the picks they got
Because Jiricek is still very much unproven, so the question becomes: Would you trade FOUR of your top-4 picks for a 6th overall pick?
Top-4? We traded a more than likely bottom first rounder and 3 other rounds that rarely ever make it to the NHL. Good gamble in my opinion, if they can fix his skating.
The Wild will likely finish in a decent spot this year and in the coming years. All those picks will be toward the end of those rounds. It's a no-brainer for the Wild. If he is half as good as they think, it will be worth it. The Wild always finish well enough to never get a top-10 pick.
@@JohnB-mo4kq No, top-4 as in your first, second, third, and fourth picks...
@@tonykung8756 You're kind of stupid aren't you? Anything but the top 10 in the first round are all pure gambles. We gave up nothing for a decent gamble. It won't hurt us either way.
@@tonykung8756 That's not how people say things.
I miss the Deweys, as we calked Duhaime and Dewar. Nice kids with a ton of heart! Dewar has a knack on the PK of breakaways...sneaky speed. Duhaime, always ready to mix it up, drop the gloves and throw down...
As Jackets’ fan … I was saying exactly the same thing as Steve until the last minute before the trade. No need to do this trade. He was in the AHL where he belongs. Its not Wadell’s job to cater to every whim of these kids. It didn’t matter if Jiricek “felt” he was ready for the NHL. One more year of big minutes on a good, winning Monsters team wouldn’t hurt him in any way except his and Walshes wallet.
The return is low 1st in a bad draft year + irrelevat garbage. THIS was the best offer on the table? I wanna kick Wadell in the “Steve Danglers”.
Remember when the isles gave up on Nino their 5th overall. Wild picked him up
And he turned out to be really good nhl player
Jiricek can't skate well and he's tall & skinny - he's a giraffe out there. Saw him in person when the Leafs played in Columbus last December (the game where Samsonov couldn't stop a beach ball). He looked stiff and uncomfortable. Problem was he was insisting he's NHL ready when he's not. He couldn't beat out the corpse of Jack Johnson for playing time on the 3rd D pair.
Maybe he fills out over time and becomes a reliable skater. But it wasn't happening in Columbus. Waddell's not attached to him - he wasn't Don's pick - so deal him at his max value for a bunch of assets.
I hope the Flyers offered Drysdale for Jiricek, even just as a joke. He was enough for the 5th overall pick, so surely he'd be enough for the 6th overall pick, right?
This is a high pick and he wants to earn some of the bonuses in his contract. Only makes 82,000 in the minors. Seems like his agent did a lousy job not getting more money for AHL play. It is surprising that more teams could not have offered as good or better deal. It is a little baffling for a RD of this caliber to go so cheap. Hell Toronto could have offered a better deal with CBJ needing goalie prospects or RD Danforth. Seems like there is something that is making teams hesitate here.
I would of liked the leafs to have thrown they're hat in the ring
I hope Guerin saw something in this kid that the Jackets did not. It will be interesting to see where he slots in. I can't imagine he goes down to Iowa with that price tag.
I hope you do ask Adam....
I started off by thinking Mateychuk and Svozil, but finding out that these 2 Columbus dmen are left shooters, unless Columbus is going to play them on right side, then Columbus has Ceulemans - another first round pick selection, and Clayton, both hanging out in Cleveland and both under 24.
reminder to myself, Svozil was Bedard's 2nd leading scorer on Regina; Mateychuk came out of the run to the Memorial.
The Wild have pulled off a heist here. They would have to trade up 10+ spots into at least the top 15 to get a RHD remotely resembling Jiricek in this draft, which likely means paying two 2nds in addition to their 1st for a player that would be 3+ years away from being ready.
Not really, he's an AHL player at his current skill level. He can't skate and the Jackets have 6 better blue liners than him.
@@Nastynati0513 CBJ fan trying to cope with losing their 1st rounder, cuz of shitty management. I love it 🤣
Don't think so, and I'm a wild fan. That's a lot of draft capital to give up for a player not meeting expectations.
@@mikehofer432 You do realize the expectations are set by their management who cant reach further than a 2nd round?
@@mikehofer432 I do understand that viewpoint (As a Habs fan, I did not like the Newhook trade, which is sort of similar to this one), but I don't think the quality of the picks that you're sending away is very high considering the upside with Jiricek.
The 2025 draft is weak and the Wild's pick will be late, the 2nd is 2 years away and will probably also be late, and 3rd and 4th round picks rarely turn into anything
If Jiricek were draft eligible this year (at his current age and with all the information we have about him now), how many players would you take ahead of him?
Damn... Really wanted my Nucks to go get him!
How are Columbus so consistently bad at developing talent? It's baffling how many quality prospects they've given up on or mishandled.
hazards of doing a live trade analysis without knowing the details. Jiricek did not want to go develop in the AHL and asked to be traded instead of going back to AHL. He needs to develop, but didn't want to. Wild have to keep him in NHL where he will be exposed early on. Not saying he will bomb, but David unnecessarily turned himself into a boom or bust prospect purely for his impatience.
Columbus decoded theyd rather die than let the kid play in yet another nothing season for the team. Whats the risk? I dont get it; let him play, and more importantly, develop instead of rotting in a press box. Now we trade him to a team that came into the league the same year as we did and continue to stack up poorly next to them.
Columbus doesn’t believe in the concept of a rebuild, even if they ended up at the bottom of the league multiple times in the last decade, it was almost always accidental.
Same reason they played with Johnson’s development, you are young and not performing up to our standards ? GTFO !
Or Jiricek doesn't turn out as expected and his value erodes
Unfortunately what happened is his glaring weaknesses (terrible skating and defense) never improved in 3 years time, even after 2 GMs and 2 coaches. Ultimately he has plenty of time to turn it around, this trade will only be won or lost based on hindsight.
Yep, and new gm sells high on guy they don't think will achieve his potential.
Minnesota paid a very big price for an unproven prospect. Can be a top 4 but they already have Faber. Feel like Columbus won this trade by a landslide. I think getting a Patterson or even a Matheson would of been 10x better for them.
I like how CBJ went from having a shitty gm and coach to having a new shitty gm and coach. Congrats on the useless changes 😂
He hardly got a chance to get into a rhythm last year. They dicked him around all season constantly being sent down to the minors then being called up a day or two later and not just a couple times it was probably close to 10 times, and when he was up he’d play a game and then sit for 3. They didn’t handle him well last year and he didn’t get over that. They should have kept him in the minors all year and you know, let him work on his game maybe.
If only the consistency of the organization had worn off on him. Maybe another new GM or two could have turned CBJ around.
If Jiricak is worth that, just imagine what Mailloux is worth?
Steve needs to do his research first. Yes jiricek is young. Yes he can be sent down and would benefit. But jiricek was demanding he was nhl ready and said he did not want to be sent down.
Looking forward to a Minnesota-San Jose WCF in a few years.
The winner of this trade? Easy, Denton Mateychuk.
6:48 😅lol is this like a news cast Steve Dangle??? @spdn 😂
It just seems so early to give up on a 6th overall pick from 2022. Columbus really had a place on boot hill for him. I hope he proves them wrong.
Likely a win for Jiricek. Columbus doesn't seem to have much in terms of development and support. As Steve mentioned, he's still young and most players aren't Norris candidates at 20. If he's got a solid foundation (he should since he was drafted so high), let him develop in your AHL club (which is what they are for) so he can improve his skills and continue to grow (physically, mentally). It doesn't look like Minnesota's AHL club (Iowa Wild) is overly successful (in terms of record), but hopefully they have good staff and resources to develop the players for the big club. The kid just turned 21 and is a 6'3", 209 lb right shot defenseman. You can't teach that, so if he's already decent at playing hockey, work with him. I like the deal for Minnesota, as long as they can develop him.
As a jackets fan he had a bad attitude and signed out of Columbus I like him but it was necessary
First!
This will go down as the Herschel Walker trade of the NHL
An end of round 1st and a small left-shot dman whose ceiling is regular nhl 3rd pairing were the only statistically useful assets going CBJ's way.
Take your meds.