I continue to look forward to your cast Artosis. I liked this game because of the late stage strategy. I often find myself in these games on BNET and I sometimes don't know how o handle the massive armies and upgrades. Your style mixes excellent commentary with solid coaching.
@Crysianer The effect is transferred to the broodlings because they're are produced by the air unit. i.e. +3 attack and carapace effect the broodlings because the upgrades are on the broodlord
@Smoochy44 I agree, Artosis is a very key person in the SC community. He's a great player, commentator, and does a lot of journalistic activities as well. Definitely one of Starcraft's MVP's.
@McBjarne Yeah. Though one sad thing is that broodlings hp is so low, that even with the attack upgrades, a ball of 6-8 colossus usually melt them so fast they never hit anything beyond the first hit. When all the colossi die, and it's just broodlings hitting stalkers or cannons though, that attack is massive.. broodlings have 5 attack -> 8, so they basically get a 60% increase from upgrades.
@Zony1 Wrong, Corruptors DO NOT hard counter VRs. Corruptors are armoured and Void Rays have damage bonuses against armoured units. You literally have to outnumber the VRs massively to win since they charge up easily on Corruptors and tear through them.
@MairouX They are just made to prevent probe harrassment from roaches and zergs. Their indeed also good for actually taking damage of the broodlords while the stalkers snipe the broodlords down.
@Nyocurio Other commentators get replays from other players that beat him in that particular match, and Idra sends replays to Artosis where he wins. It balances out.
@nathangonmad It`s actually wrong, iDra said that artosis didn`t know how to pronounce it at first, and when he learned how it was suppose to be it was too late =P. Maybe he keeps doing it because he is used to it, iDra even said that he gave up on that.
@Balgore8 I agree that air would be nice, but would be a tough tech switch with zero stargates, and would take a long time (and cost a lot) to macro up enough to make a difference (build 4 stargates and wait two build cycles to get 8?) when idra already has +air attacks and can make a million trillion corruptors at a whim.
I have a man-crush on Artosis, and I've had it even before I met him and he called me "handsome." He's one of the funniest most passionate members of the StarCraft community.
ive got a tip for idra, if you're stuck in a match where you and your opponent are afraid to push forward use a couple nydus network to infiltrate opponent's expansions, and if he counter attacks just bring em back.
@googlejerry okay, I just did a game against a very easy computer :P. I'm not sure, but i THINK Broodlords have two ways to attack. Obviously the broodling does damage, but it seems like there's also damage done just from the act of throwing the broodling, like a little broodling bullet. Broodlords say they do "20 damage ranged attack." So upgrading air attack upgrades that initial hit. Upgrading melee attack increases the broodlings' hits.
i think when protoss player goes for Colossus and broodlords appear on the field, that protoss player will have very little tech paths to counter Broodlords. Even with blink stalkers and focus fire, the roaches whittle the stalkers away quickly. Notice how the protoss has to devote everything to taking out the Broods which leaves tons of roaches with full HP to take out the colossus.
@atttt5 your right, but I believe that HD, Psy, and Artosis are better commentators and I have learned more from each them than Husky. But I to think that Husky should post games featuring NesTea and FruitDealer.
@ribsngibs Yeah it would have been difficult. 4 stargates might be a bit much, maybe just 2 would be enough to get a few out. But yeah, the timings and ability for IdrA to just create corruptors probably wouldnt have made that really viable I suppose. Hard for toss to deal with broodlords...
Idra produced just a single round of infestors. They prooved very useful. He had excess gas. Always get 1-3 infestors with your army. This game could have been alot shorter. Though, it was a nice commentairy and a nice game.
@mrpeanut20850 I think the toss player could have gone for Air t that point carriers might be best though rays are cheaper. Idra had didn't have the AA to deal with it.
@Bayramjyk Basing that on ladder results is bad. Idra leaves 1/5 his games at the start if he doesn't feel like playing it. (Example, against a toss who only 4 gates, Idra doesn't want to waste his practice time and would leave at the start of the game. He also leaves TvZ on DQ as Zerg only wins if Terran screws up) Therefore, if you remove 80 losses (could be more), it's about 65% winrate. Idra doesn't give a shit about his ladder rating, he just ladders for practice.
corrupter v void ray gets better as the mass of each increases If you focus fire too many void rays on a target with a limited hp pool they never actually get to charge. Not focus firing means the corrupter damage stays higher longer as the void ray damage dwindles.
@Nostalgamagic well you might be right, it's just.. whenever Artosis say "this one was sent to me by idra" it spoils the whole game =/ And there's other commentators (like Psy) who cast games Idra actually won
artosis this is like the 5millionth time you have mentioned the creep spread inbetween the main and the nat, ive literally never played zerg yet i think about it every single game i play:/
Artosis ur comments are really nice and all, very nice job. I always follow u here and on gomtv. However u always post reps where Idra wins, add some where he doesnt so we dont know the outcome of the match beforehand. ^^ gg
Two points: 1. Does Idra give any replay that he considers good and where he doesn't lose? The question is rhetorical BTW. 2. The Protoss player just refused to make units to counter those broodlords. Really, those many HTs were unnecessary and all those storms on broodlords didn't help at all.
@gmanthebeast1 Quick check reveals following stats for Idra: 27 EGIdrA 519 404 Sorry, but that's nowhere near 76%. That's barely 56% win rate that he has, i.e. surely there were good games where he loses too? Like the one against Huk?
@nichfran22 nah huk went for double robo and sentries and he used the fact that the protoss player was close to zerg's expo was sooo easy with the choke, something the protoss didnt have at this game.
@xLingyy I'm not sure that Husky has anything to do with it. I know quite a few people that don't like Idra because of his BM background. Hard to root for someone, regardless of how good he is, when he's know throughout the world as being an abusive, ill mannered child.
@endre1989 Maybe do some research? He actually just casted one of his games HIMSELF in where he loses -.- Oh, and the reason he gave wins is because he wanted to share entertaining games, not the other 90% of games where he gets cheeseed or all inned and eighter defend it and imedietly win or get rolled over....
QUALTIY REVIEW: OK so picture is great again looks like you got that down. The sound is still off, game volume needs to go up, your voice volume needs to go down, at some points your voice is very quiet and at other times it's so loud it hurts my ears.
Artosis casts Idra: Idra is winning, for sure :) Just joking, it was a nice battle. Of course both sides made some mistakes but i would be happy if i would stay as long in games to have the chance to make those mistakes. Excellent players though!
What a great replay and excellent analysis Artosis. Looking forward to more VODs.
I really like Artosis' stlye of commentary. It's a really good speed and he also comments on why players do what, it's very professional.
Artosis, your sweet, soothing voice is so nice to hear again after GSL's extended hiatus. I missed it.
I continue to look forward to your cast Artosis. I liked this game because of the late stage strategy. I often find myself in these games on BNET and I sometimes don't know how o handle the massive armies and upgrades. Your style mixes excellent commentary with solid coaching.
@Crysianer The effect is transferred to the broodlings because they're are produced by the air unit. i.e. +3 attack and carapace effect the broodlings because the upgrades are on the broodlord
@Crysianer
the dmg of the impact is affected by the flyer upgrade.
the broodlings get stronger by the ground and melee upgrades.
Why was this recommended to me after 10 years
@Smoochy44 I agree, Artosis is a very key person in the SC community. He's a great player, commentator, and does a lot of journalistic activities as well. Definitely one of Starcraft's MVP's.
@McBjarne Yeah. Though one sad thing is that broodlings hp is so low, that even with the attack upgrades, a ball of 6-8 colossus usually melt them so fast they never hit anything beyond the first hit. When all the colossi die, and it's just broodlings hitting stalkers or cannons though, that attack is massive.. broodlings have 5 attack -> 8, so they basically get a 60% increase from upgrades.
i thought broodlords get upgraded with the melee attack, because of the broodlings and not with air attack. Or do both help?
@Crysianer they also do dmg by hitting the units/buildings with the broodlings themselfs.
how does air atk +1 effect broodlords when they just spawn the melee broodlings?
@RobLoach
yupp, but i think when he realized that, there were too many broodlords, and relied on blink stalkers to kill em
@lenzorg
Air upgrades increase the damage on the initial hit, melee upgrades increase the broodlings' damage after they've landed
@atttt5 thats not a split. its the computer does that for him. if you look @ the zerglings you can see that they are not getting selected
is it possible to make this replay downloadable?
very nice casting artosis!!
mmmm i would like to see more TLO's games
please consider it
bye
@Zony1 Wrong, Corruptors DO NOT hard counter VRs. Corruptors are armoured and Void Rays have damage bonuses against armoured units. You literally have to outnumber the VRs massively to win since they charge up easily on Corruptors and tear through them.
@lenzorg the broodlords do attack with the broodling strike. that is air damage. the broodlings themself do melee attacks.
@atttt5 yeah but Husky should probably look for more of NeSTea and FruitDealer
2 of the best Zergs in Starcraft 2 imo
@MairouX They are just made to prevent probe harrassment from roaches and zergs. Their indeed also good for actually taking damage of the broodlords while the stalkers snipe the broodlords down.
did idra play this game right after raging vs huk?
@Nyocurio Other commentators get replays from other players that beat him in that particular match, and Idra sends replays to Artosis where he wins. It balances out.
@BuffDaddy3K lol its so true. Chances are, the replay is from idra, and ofc he's just going to send the ones he wins.
@nathangonmad It`s actually wrong, iDra said that artosis didn`t know how to pronounce it at first, and when he learned how it was suppose to be it was too late =P.
Maybe he keeps doing it because he is used to it, iDra even said that he gave up on that.
@Balgore8 I agree that air would be nice, but would be a tough tech switch with zero stargates, and would take a long time (and cost a lot) to macro up enough to make a difference (build 4 stargates and wait two build cycles to get 8?) when idra already has +air attacks and can make a million trillion corruptors at a whim.
I have a man-crush on Artosis, and I've had it even before I met him and he called me "handsome." He's one of the funniest most passionate members of the StarCraft community.
both players macro was awesome in this game, and great job by idra of holding off the opening push.
Great game by both and nice to see the BL's!
That was some really nice micro at 22:45
ive got a tip for idra, if you're stuck in a match where you and your opponent are afraid to push forward use a couple nydus network to infiltrate opponent's expansions, and if he counter attacks just bring em back.
@googlejerry okay, I just did a game against a very easy computer :P. I'm not sure, but i THINK Broodlords have two ways to attack. Obviously the broodling does damage, but it seems like there's also damage done just from the act of throwing the broodling, like a little broodling bullet. Broodlords say they do "20 damage ranged attack."
So upgrading air attack upgrades that initial hit. Upgrading melee attack increases the broodlings' hits.
Hey, I saw this game live during IdrA's stream!
what is ww? Well won?
the +air attack works for Broodlords?!!?!?!
Great commentary as usual Artosis, but it feels like one can be 100 % sure that Idra will win when you cast his games.
You'd think some Phoenix mixed in would keep the broodlords pushed back.
Artosis - Normaly, GSL related stuff for gomtv.. If theres no GSL.. CAST IDRA GAMES!!!!
-Ur living the dream artosis.
i think when protoss player goes for Colossus and broodlords appear on the field, that protoss player will have very little tech paths to counter Broodlords. Even with blink stalkers and focus fire, the roaches whittle the stalkers away quickly.
Notice how the protoss has to devote everything to taking out the Broods which leaves tons of roaches with full HP to take out the colossus.
@nichfran22
He didnt use corruptors or infest in that build
@Nevadajsp well said, finally who realizes what's really going on.
love that changeling
@atttt5 your right, but I believe that HD, Psy, and Artosis are better commentators and I have learned more from each them than Husky. But I to think that Husky should post games featuring NesTea and FruitDealer.
@werbelloff: Artosis and INcontroL are friends, so that's quite possible :)
11:10
HAHAHAHA
Twilight cancelled his Pylon because he thought it blocked his Nexus =)
toooo funny
Artosis, you may give tasteless neurosis, but you give me a rod
awesome cast artosis :):) thanks for this
nice & calm cast, great!
@ribsngibs Yeah it would have been difficult. 4 stargates might be a bit much, maybe just 2 would be enough to get a few out. But yeah, the timings and ability for IdrA to just create corruptors probably wouldnt have made that really viable I suppose.
Hard for toss to deal with broodlords...
Video quality almost perfectly lag free, getting there.
Spoiler
I wonder if the protoss has included a couple of void rays 3/4 the way through, if he would have come out on top?
Idra produced just a single round of infestors. They prooved very useful. He had excess gas.
Always get 1-3 infestors with your army. This game could have been alot shorter.
Though, it was a nice commentairy and a nice game.
@mrpeanut20850
I think the toss player could have gone for Air t that point carriers might be best though rays are cheaper. Idra had didn't have the AA to deal with it.
@Bayramjyk
Basing that on ladder results is bad. Idra leaves 1/5 his games at the start if he doesn't feel like playing it. (Example, against a toss who only 4 gates, Idra doesn't want to waste his practice time and would leave at the start of the game. He also leaves TvZ on DQ as Zerg only wins if Terran screws up) Therefore, if you remove 80 losses (could be more), it's about 65% winrate. Idra doesn't give a shit about his ladder rating, he just ladders for practice.
corrupter v void ray gets better as the mass of each increases
If you focus fire too many void rays on a target with a limited hp pool they never actually get to charge. Not focus firing means the corrupter damage stays higher longer as the void ray damage dwindles.
awesome commentary skills!
"wow you have potential"
@Nostalgamagic well you might be right, it's just.. whenever Artosis say "this one was sent to me by idra" it spoils the whole game =/
And there's other commentators (like Psy) who cast games Idra actually won
@meachy13 you do watch other games right....
artosis this is like the 5millionth time you have mentioned the creep spread inbetween the main and the nat, ive literally never played zerg yet i think about it every single game i play:/
I love how a youtube video named "Get In Dat Ass Larry" from Curb Your Enthusiasm is in the related video bar lmao.
Artosis ur comments are really nice and all, very nice job. I always follow u here and on gomtv.
However u always post reps where Idra wins, add some where he doesnt so we dont know the outcome of the match beforehand. ^^
gg
i thought broodlings need melee atk .. not air atk...
Two points:
1. Does Idra give any replay that he considers good and where he doesn't lose? The question is rhetorical BTW.
2. The Protoss player just refused to make units to counter those broodlords. Really, those many HTs were unnecessary and all those storms on broodlords didn't help at all.
@gmanthebeast1 Quick check reveals following stats for Idra:
27 EGIdrA 519 404
Sorry, but that's nowhere near 76%. That's barely 56% win rate that he has, i.e. surely there were good games where he loses too? Like the one against Huk?
hmm i wonder who wins
@Suicideman0 korean version of gg i believe
@lenzorg broods have their own attack thats upgraded by air upgrade but the broods use melee upgrade
@johnnyc08 IdrA was 228-82 on the US servers, on the Korean ones he is only 596-470.
wow, i never saw storms being "useless" against that amount of zerg units. nice play by idra!
@Ares11787 You ever heard of relativity?
holy crap that's a long game
Nice changeling action. :D
@d3sr0w not mentioning something has nothing to do with somebody being a pro-gamer or not.
so knowledgeable.. best commentator becuz of that
i wonder why he hasnt gone for some voids or even carriers
I wonder what this game would be like if zerg units cost money
@Mantetny666 after this video, I wont, don't you worry :D I'm just sharing my opinion.That's it.See ya
@nichfran22 nah huk went for double robo and sentries and he used the fact that the protoss player was close to zerg's expo was sooo easy with the choke, something the protoss didnt have at this game.
@xLingyy I'm not sure that Husky has anything to do with it. I know quite a few people that don't like Idra because of his BM background. Hard to root for someone, regardless of how good he is, when he's know throughout the world as being an abusive, ill mannered child.
@mrpeanut20850 almost all top toss players agree that in lategate situatiuons like that tou should transition into carrier tech
@buggieman8 don't know, but when artosis casts an idra game he always wins
Saying that Idra sent you the replay is pretty much a spoiler that he is going to win.
@HalobravoJJ And why he wouldnt, i mean zergs on hive has ultras and broods mybe the strongest units..so i mean.
fun fact twilight is now known as Oz the 3rd place gsl code s protoss
this is what happens when someone tries to beat idra at his own game
@wliu003 imo idra is the one that pronounces it wrong.
@endre1989 Maybe do some research? He actually just casted one of his games HIMSELF in where he loses -.-
Oh, and the reason he gave wins is because he wanted to share entertaining games, not the other 90% of games where he gets cheeseed or all inned and eighter defend it and imedietly win or get rolled over....
QUALTIY REVIEW:
OK so picture is great again looks like you got that down. The sound is still off, game volume needs to go up, your voice volume needs to go down, at some points your voice is very quiet and at other times it's so loud it hurts my ears.
Great game!
Ultra might be easier. They can take big amount of Colossus attack so Hydra and Roach can deal damage
This my final rank of popular commentators.
Artosis & Tasteless > PsY > Husky > HD > day9
Epic game :D
awesome macro game from idra! hes sooooo good
Artosis you should get IdrA to commentate one of these games with you! I'll give you 15 minerals, I'd give you more but my macro is just too good!
Artosis casts Idra: Idra is winning, for sure :)
Just joking, it was a nice battle. Of course both sides made some mistakes but i would be happy if i would stay as long in games to have the chance to make those mistakes.
Excellent players though!
@ogruffryderz1 agreed, agreed, agreed and finally agreed.
Artosis you are awesome
@dillonturcotte Idra lost in that Huk game becuase he got broad lord fever & refused to mix it up and didn't expand for some odd reason.
every game idra gives to Artosis is a spoiler cuz theres no way he would give artosis a game that he lost in.