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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 เม.ย. 2024
- Yes I spent $10,000 robux. And Yes this video took over 20 hours to make...
i spent 24 hours and 10000 robux to prove that tower defense simulator is pay to win. or is it better to play for free? you can watch this video to find out! oh yeah this video was when mercenary base update and few reworkeds came out...didnt know that. so is buying coins worth it? or buying tower defense simulator/tds gamepasses worth it? watch to find out!
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If you think about it, nothing in tds is “pay to win”, you can get pretty much everything without having to pay a single dollar (excluding old event towers), paying only speeds up the process
Thats like every game
Would you rather grind or buy the towers with $
@@demonmysterykid3343grinding is more impressive
@@moonbow3641 keep grinding until you can't feel anything
@@demonmysterykid3343only the worthy can withstand the grind
As a tds player since late 2020, I've reached level 270, and I didn't spend money on any tower. And the journey is very fun, meeting with randoms, playing with friends, and doing random challenges are very fun. I gotta say that tds is not p2w, bc you need to have a long journey to feel the real excitement and fun.
Not what p2w is lol, if you have the money you can immediately get to end game meaningggg its p2w
Then what's the purpose of playing the game if you already have everything?
Just ask all the high lvl players, it's very boring to play without any new content for the game.
I have bought gladiator for robux but the event tower made no difference because shotgunner and golden scout could do the same job. All im saying event tower passes arent necessary to buy and also doesnt benefit you very much
@@nosmartguy5664you won’t be able to get to end game immediately, you still need to go through the literal basics.
@@nosmartguy5664u can do that with every td game
Most ppl tend to play TDS because it's fun, and while I do agree the game passes are way too expensive, I also believe that the game is fun on its own. And while P2W is a word through around a lot, it's hard to put TDS in that category since the base game has no main end objective, other than survive. If you buy everything immediately, then why play at all? You won't gain anything if you buy everything immediately, not to mention RBX themselves forced TDS to become P2W.
For money to fund devs of course
It's not p2w. As a level 390 player I've never felt inclind to purchase a tower. Besides, most of their monetization is rather tame.
So true
Event towers. They keep readding “event” towers for gamepasses. Or making a discount day for gamepasses so you will feel tempted. All new towers are hard to get but you can buy them for robux so you’ll eventually spend money on it. Or grind 30+ hours for accelerator. Problem is they try to make you feel left out with all these good towers like engineer or mercenary base and when you can’t grind for them, you would want to buy them.
@@sussydinos1 they still need money because the DevX rate is very low and if nobody buys things they won’t be able to continue working on the game
So basically every popular roblox game? That's crazy....
Basically any multiplayer game nowadays
@@ryek_br1709and single player games like battle cats
wow can’t believe games that wanna make money are p2w right photon?
@@Freakyadvisor i agree
cut him some slack this is just a popular video idea used frequently among roblox games... the title is just bait lol.
It depends on what classifies as winning in tds. Is it that you can beat modes more easily? Or just the better towers
i finished the video, and my honest opinion from a guy who did play tds but not regurarly and i am kinda indiferent to it: Not fully p2w, but more like "pay 2 fast".
In case someone does not know the difference i'll try to explain it in MY way which it might be wrong in some areas but i'll try to make it as clear as possible.
P2W = It means pay 2 win, games that fall into that category mostly are PVP (player vs player), i say most just in case not to throw a massive curve ball. The games that fall under that category usually have a huge "power gap" between players as i like to call it, p2w can come into many forms, but the most blatant (for me) is when a game offers strong exclusive items for money, which those items have no other way to get them other than opening your wallet or buying them from someone else which may anyways involve into opening your wallet.
For example, a minecraft server! Which it has a kit pvp mode, in there they sell out some different crates, there's one very op, but oh no you need a key and the only way to get them is buying it with real money, their content can be protection X full netherite armour, sharpness X netherite sword etc, however that's the only way to get those items, there's no way to grind for them.
Comparing that kit with a crate that can be opened with in game cash that the maximum it can offer you is a full diamond set with level IV enchatments, yeah.. the power gap is too huge and blatant. (Look, long time i don't play minecraft but i think you get the point)
Pay 2 fast = Games in this category are mostly mobile games due to their nature (clash of clans, clash royale etc..). As it name suggests those games allow you to skip progression by opening your wallet, some do it "more morally correct" than others, for example maybe a game decides to slow down your progress on purpose so you open that wallet. However the main difference is, you're not paying for exclusive stuff, you're only paying to skip progress. Others don't do it (or atleast not too blatant/strong) but offer you the option anyways.
I did play a lot tds back then, nowdays it changed a LOT so i really can't say if it's p2w or not, it's really up to you, but hopefully with this little guide that i can offer might help you. Like i said, i may be wrong so it's really up to you if to belive me or not
aint no way he really spent $100 on a block game 💀💀💀💀
(This is a joke)
Yeah fr
@@dudeduckie7I was abouta say 💀
And yet he gets money from monetising videos
People with headless who spent like $300 on a cosmetic item that gives 0 advantages:
Paying to win =/= Paying to speed up your progress
If I need to P2W in TDS, that would mean that something is legit impossible without spending at least a penny.
Also, I have no clue why you would want to spend $100 just make this, rather than making a mini documentary or something.
Speeding up your process is skipping the point of the game, to grind. That's p2w
@@4card-pf6eoYou don’t get it. Basically what you’re telling me is “grinding = winning,”which makes no sense. You’re also telling me that in order to win a game, you need to simply “follow the point in the game,” which also makes 0 sense.
The way to “win”TDS is NOT just getting everything. This is because the game still updates, meaning your “victory” is cut short as soon as a content update drops.
I can also argue that there is no actual true or set-in-stone way to win TDS, making the argument of the game being P2W completely invalid. Also, everyone has different ways of “winning” TDS, these being called “goals.”
I didn’t emphasize this enough, but “P2W” stands for “pay to win.” If a game is “pay to win,” that means you physically cannot beat the game without paying money (if you can, it’s unbearably difficult).
@@4card-pf6eothen that's pretty much almost all the games?
@@Glitch_d I have no idea what games your playing tbh
when are you gonna make more solo to 100% in world tower defense?
This is absolutely hillarious, tds revolves around time spent not robux spent because if you get everything in 1 game you'll get bored so fast. meaning you have everything why bother to grind?
When people will realize the difference between pay to win and pay to fast
Isk
same thing, and tds is pay2win, paying for a exclusive item that gives you advantage above others is pay2win
Actually is pay to fast because all items you can get them for free
@@hypecosmo5723 you can get everything for free
@@hypecosmo5723 the towers he gets aint exclusive, anyone can get it
tds isn't really a p2w game, yes you can pay to speed up the grind, but the game is all about the process and you aren't forced to use it and you don't have to spend anything to get anything (except for past events) and compared to other TD game (I don't even consider them as proper TD games), it's very tame
Its actually sad all the other td games are extremely mediocre except for tdx and a few hidden gems. Like its the same shj either a grindy anime one, a luck simulator skibidi toilet one, some stupid ass low quality one, or the same recycled crap of “retro style” td game that also has a lack of balancing or quality control. Its sad theres only 3 td games I can actually consider good. (Third being tower battles cuz its the start to it all)
@@Magmaticin fr
@@Magmaticinngl i can count every other good td game aside from tds and tdx on my fingers (alsi yall should play sco td its goared fr)
@@rayaneouizare6885 what is “sco td”?? Do you mean scp td? Either way its still poorly made. Like dont look after the game and say, “yo this game looks heat”
is this inspired by Yuukl video?
I mean sure you can be ptw but you don’t get the experience or any competitive advantage so why do so if not to just speed up progress?
Someone: "guys tds is p2w" Me: why? Someone: "because you can use money to buy stuff" Me: Do you not know what p2w means?????
Lol
Exactly what i was thinking
EXACLTY. why dont ppl understand this???
People really be thinking p2w be any form of micro trans action.
i dont really like how ppl say tds so p2w after they played 1000000 hours in it because id they do a test like this they know what to do they know how to play but a complete noob would not really be palcing turrets and scotus next to eachother to get the optimal placment
The reason tds isnt pay to win is because spending money won’t get you skill. You could spend money to get DJ, commander, warden, gold minigunner, and farm, but that doesn’t mean you’ll win. You still need to understand how to defend early with warden, while farming efficiently as the same time, and getting your supports and dps at the right times. In a scenario where a brand new player logs in and just has every tower for some reason, they’re not gonna win every game. They still need to gain skill.
you just get things skipping the grind, skill doesn't matter if you could just skip the grind and get op towers then you can learn how to play the game like it was a how to book. The towers are just given to you skipping the grind people would normally do.
Its not p2w if you dont even grind like bro i know its hard to grind but you dont know how hard its been through and youre here yapping saying its p2w i dont even have robux because i wont spend my time buying dumb in game money
I sure
You can’t just say “P2W” after spending a ton of money on the best towers which are easily obtainable (besides hardcore towers but those aren’t that bad anyway) and you just skipped the entire grinding of the game which is the point of a simulator which is what the game is
I feel like it really depends on the game like tds is player vs cpu not player vs player so the game isn’t really effected when someone spends like a bunch of money for old towers
Obviously Tds is going to be easier if spend robux, (and that doesnt make it p2w) less than 1% of popular games are like that, but at least its not pay to access like bloxburg, and no one calls Bloxburg or Minecraft p2w.
Also on a side note, tds is meant to be played with other people, and on the f2p acc you only did solo
Because paying for bloxburg only gives you a game not advantage!
Here’s the thing, yes you did just get some of the most broken towers in the game however look at the money you spent. Most people can’t just spend £100 on a video game they mostly get like £10 not everyone. So I do agree tds is a bit p2w but most people farm for them since the towers are way to expensive with robux. Also what’s the point of spending 750 robux on mortar when you can get it for free at like lvl 75.
Dude Level 75 is like 10+hr of pure xp grind and the fact you can just skip all that with a small amount of money is the definition of P2W
@@Spiritlikes99lvl 75 is nothing bro. Who's forcing you to grind nonstop? He ain't limited time 💀.
@@Spiritlikes99 by your definiton of p2w every game where you have to grind just a little bit is p2w for you since in almost every game you can just spend robux for stuff
@@Spiritlikes99 lvl 75 is easy
@@Spiritlikes99you can get all these benefits for free. It isn't p2w as it donest give you a massive advantage
For me a game is only p2w when you can't get stuff in f2p
I would rather say pay to fast, like clash of clans
Its not pw2 u can get stuff like things like golden skins and stuff from hard work and crates from quests and its optional if ur to lazy to grind then u can just spend money but you dont HAVE to
if you spend money on the game that speeds up the process it's p2w
@@4card-pf6eo its speeds up the process, but what is the point of speeding it up when the whole point is to actually grind and get excited when you get it. Also why would you even spend money on a game that doesnt even have any competitivenis like the only multiplayer you can find in the game is team play and not pvp (there is a new pvp in testing but its totally optional to play).
P2W and P2F are diferent things, u can get all the gamepasses things and skins just playing.
I loved the good old days when you didn’t start with demo
The fact that this guy can beat fallen one a couple hours but I can’t solo it a lot at level 224
wtf how u only have 600 wievs bro u cookin🔥
Yeah
🙏 Thank u
@@RealDepuTy tds is not p2w
@@RealDepuTy np
Every game is p2w on roblox and TDS is one of the ones that don't DEPEND on money so saying its "p2w" is kinda crazy
you need to do your research first bud
Everyone in here must be biased. You need to defend your precious tds from critisism. The game is p2w, and you guys are blatently saying it without knowing. Your only defense is it speeds up the process with is infact pay to win. You just skip all the grinding that you need to do which makes the game fun. But even with that he even said it's kinda pay to win. If your one of those "I DIDN'T SPEND A DIME!" type people, you can get good without paying. Paying speeds up the process. Which is pay to win. The game is somewhat pay to win, that's just the end of the story.
P2W isn't always bad tbh, especially in this game since even if you had anything, you’d still need experience and know how to use those towers. Also you can get every towers without paying a dollar just an insane grinding, the pay is there for people who do not have much time to play or just don’t want to grind that much, overall paying isn’t that much of a problem in Tds
Can you still grind for all the towers? “Uuuh YEAH”
You're telling me with 10,000 robux you didn't spend some on the engineer gamepass.
Give it 10h and some more robux and you can just skip the accelerator grind
U can solo 2 difficult on lvl 0, from molten you will get 500 every 25 mins, after 5 games u can get mil base,after 5 more farm and get solo fallen with no loses if u have skill
How does this make sense?
@@4card-pf6eouh now idk, while i was drawing it im was sure i doibg smth great
@@user-wh7sm3fd7n don't lie to yourself :)
It’s not p2w you can solo all the modes you just have to grind a lot without robux p2w mean pay to win so it means you have to pay robux to win even though you can solo molten mode with sinper and scout you just need good rng
Play 2 Win doesnt literally means paying to win, It means having a advantage over other players who haven't spent money on the game
@@BoboGangsteryou can literally solo molten with sinper and scout
@@BoboGangstereven if you pay money in tds you won’t really have advantage because scout and sinper are op as hell for starter towers
@@BoboGangster Rephrasing this, you can get towers easily by spending robux and skipping the grind.
TDS is not pay 2 win, all or game passes are just use for a quicker way to get something. You can get everything in TDS for free. All other TD games with game passes are just offering you a quicker way to get something. You can't just say "P2W" because the game passes cost a lot. Also, the devs have sales every now and then.
so uh one thing: 2 very good towers, elf camp and jester are now unavailable, only available through robux, same for gladiator, but then again those just help a lot you don’t need them to win, still kinda stupid how you need to pay to get thrhem now
@@DustedDustSansye plus event towers are usually just worse versions than regular towers most of the time (elf camp milli base bc of rework, gscout and glad)
In my opinion, TDS is not P2W and here is why: Let's say you wanted to get mortar but only lv 23. You had enough robux but you did not want to spend it. This example would encourage you to not P2W but instead grind. Also Everything you can get for robux thats relevant in TDS, you can get by grinding.
P2w means you have to pay to progress in the game, the deluxe crate and vip is optional so tds is not p2w
pay to progress? pay to win means pay to win. if i bought the engineer gamepass as level 1 and i had over 2 iq i would probably win something
Me who didnt spend a single robux and still got almost all gamemodes in lobby done: *visible confusion*
I dont think any new tds player would p2w in 2 seconds of joining
The game is not considered a p2w but it is possible to be p2w since you can get everything by not spending a single dollar
you can buy any tower you want in tds but you cant buy the experience you need to use them effectively
It kinda depends on your experience with tower defense games in general, like if your good at one td game then it would be easy to pick up a new game and atleast have a base understanding on stuff and what towers have a lot of dps and what doesn’t
you can still learn it
Ngl if u spend 10k robux on a td game u can instantly win for example tdx u can buy 10k for 1350 bobux spend buy 30k gold get jugg rail and farm then spend some robux on lazer and xwm boom u can instantly do well in endless
well depends on what you mean by p2w but in my opinion tds is totally f2p becouse there is not a single thing that you can purchase that you cant get by grinding the game( okay maybe vip is a little p2w since it gives 50% extra exp but still), i mean come on the golden crate doesnt cost robux it costs coins and ive purchase 4 of them myself just becouse i grinded to lvl 100 without even realising i had enough. Event towers arent p2w becouse they were once obtainable for literally everyone
Tds is rather Pay2Progress
@@Hyperlaser_Mercagreed
The "Event Towers" in question:
@@mike5530all event towers apart from jester are useless and get countered by other f2p towers :/
@@DangBao-ic1wf That's not true, stuff like Frost Blaster and Gladiator are very powerful for many gamemodes/strategies
It's not their fault that it was p2w, roblox just forced it to be p2w
you can say that for any game its just a bad excuse
Fr
@@tomkruslin726 "you can say that for any game its just a bad excuse" Why are you watching this video, Your CLEARLY a TDS hater
@@tomkruslin726
It a excuse have you see
*Cough* *cough*
TTD, ASTD
Any Other Games That Has Gambling
@@tomkruslin726 bad excuse? More like underage gambling for the people who claims its a "hobby"
You could have got a gold crate w g scout in it then have so much left over like 6k buy engi and then maybe buy another g vrage but if not js buy dj comander and farm
My friend did the p2w and couldn’t level up at all because everyone would hate on him for paying for engineer. He basically could not play public until he got level 50 and could convince people he didn’t p2w. The hate is not worth it.
just play solo...
As a player that has been playing Tds for almost 6 years, level 328 with no Vip, No robux spent, every tower in the shop, I have 456K coins, 5000 gems, and the honest reason why I haven't P2w yet is bc I'm a brokie.😭
speeding up the process turns out to be p2w 💀
My brain can't imagine spending 10k robux on TDS 😮
Also good vid
As someone who has pretty much all towers (except the old event towers) and a lot of skins without spending any robux, tds is not p2w at all.
Tds devs are greedy but not exactly p2w the game doesn’t want you to beat everything asap it’s just a different option instead of grinding you can buy stuff but you do have a point also you’re kinda underrated bro but back to my point like you’re supposed to grind like easy mode before you can do molten mode but I agree with you it’s a little bit p2w but when you grind a little you can do it without spending anything
Their not greedy bruh they have to do this sense they make like no money. The robux conversion rate to money sucks and Roblox takes 40% of cut.
@@OverAverage. I heard it only takes 30% but you know it’s still kinda a lot of stuff for robux
@@OverAverage. i mean raz was also one of the reasons tds had like rare updates and they just wanted money I think but as I said it ain’t that p2w because like who would buy everything without playing anyway?
@kristian805 I mean comparing tds monetization to some other games I could mention, it's not that bad actually.
meanwhile TTD is promoting gambling to children
We got 2 accel and g mini and commender and Medic we still lost:
the thumbnail goes pretty hard
Its pay2fast, no pay2win, It is a game that you can do calmly just by playing to get what you want, but others like that toilet defense and the anime one, both of which are tremendous crap. TDS is not pay2win
pay to win ❌
pay to fast ✔
I play for 4 years finally maxed my account half a year ago im lvl 313
It's not p2w, paying just speeds up the process of getting towers but since there's no pay exclusive towers it's not p2w.
technically speaking tds is literary p2w with more towers
Its slightly pay to win but it envolves some strategy from time to time
Where is my cookie?
pray this guy gets his 100$ back
Even if is pay to win you still gonna need a good brain to understand how things work.
I feel like it’s not mostly paid to win unless people are lazy to even grind but yeah I guess there’s some little paid win but I really don’t think of it
Yea i Agree
legitimately grinding is way too big of a pain in the ass
Tds is not pay to win beacuse you can buy stuff its basically pay to go fast also the reason why to play the game is to get all the cool towers and the game dosent have a PVP aspect (Atleast for now) and if it did it wouldnt be the main gamemode that is the PVE so no tds is not P2W beacuse you can buy stuff if games that you could buy stuff in were considered P2W almost every single game would be considered P2W
TDS is not the most pay to win tower defence game. Check the scam ones were RNG is the only way to get towers. Also people are willing to help new players. The amount of coins I helped others get is astounding
It’s not p2w cause the towers u bought u can earn with coins and also exp like turret is a level tower
Dawg all you gotta do is grind, the p2w is really for crates and event towers, which is your fault if you haven't been playing since 2019.
its only p2w if the guy who bought it knows how to use it
Alternative title: I spent my life savings to prove a point!
Me who just got to lvl 100 in a month *somehow*
Edit: no robux spend either only one time after i went beyond lvl 100
So...If the ittention of the game is to grind, It doesn t Mean that speanding money on the game make It p2w
First I read 10,000 robux then I realized it was real money💀
its not p2w if you can get every tower for free
Bro should have got farm accel engineer and gold skin if he could
100 bucks to come to THE SAME CONCLUSION EVERYONE SAYS lol
We should call TDS for what it is, not P2W, but P2F (Pay to Fast). This will may become P2W when the Versus mode officially gets into the game.
its simple, money cant buy you stratagies and skill
now do this on tdx
Rip bank account💀💀💀💀
The issue is not money spent it’s skill issue with a proper attempt you can solo molten with the soldier and scout and on the p2w acc u should have got mini gunner over turret as it’s cheaper and has no placement limited also if u waited to get golden crate u could have gotten a gmini which is a strong mid-end game dps tower also tds is p2w to some degree but they don’t have any scummy practices such as gamb… whoops I mean summons and for some reason Roblox a game meant for kids likes to push these scummy games where you have a literal 1/1000 chance of getting something good
Either you hate tds or you don't grind the game at all
I’m having a stroke reading this
Money go vroom vroom
Bro roblox literally forced tds to go pay 2 win it was not there fault that tds got pay 2 win so don't think it was tds that got way to win it was roblox who forced tds.
Godzilla got a stroke while reading that
@@perkmin88 Holy shit I needed to re-read this like 5 times
@@perkmin88LMAOOO
its not p2w.
it kinda is but i get your point@@bluenightrblx
I know that tds is pts game but I like it cuz It’s my first ever tower Defense game of all my entire roblox account.
Well no matter how p2w you are you still gotta grind
The heck he mean “to prove tds is pay to win”, of course it is, and they don’t try to hide it
What?
explain how tds is p2w please
tds has to be p2w or it wont be able to afford a budget
"so you can get coins easily" "ok but are there gamepasses?" "uhhh yeah but the game is ea-" "P2W!!!!!"
LOL
It took me 3-2 years to get to level 95 AINT no way u gettin 100 within 5 hours bro☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
"I spent 10,000$ because because I'm lazy"
not p2w at all.
TDS isnt p2w
the only P2W feature in tds is maybe the VIP gamepass
but at the same time their is the 2x xp weekends
like paying to get things in a game that you can normally get for free isnt p2w
p2w is like if you HAD to pay for engi accel or golden skins
If you HAD to pay for some towers
you could theoretically 100% tds without spending any robux
How did you spend 5k robux on emotes and a turret
LOL
You cant “win” tds, I mean yea you can win the modes but there is no end goal to a tower defense game except beating all the modes I guess, and paying just speeds up the process there is no pay to “win” in tds.
You can get all of these by just grinding