The only thing I'm worried about for the CE-1 is forced Windows updates. Otherwise, I believe this is the future of DSP: Full computing systems in audio I/O friendly form factors. It opens up a whole world of replacing RAM sticks for more processing signal, overclocking CPUs to achieve lower latencies, etc. Exciting!
the manual, online, indicates to set he main audio playback to TSMega. So, it would seem that it's the same interface that's in the Melaudio Tone Shifter Mega. Though, that device was only 2X2, and this is 4X4, I think. Additionally, I would assume that PainAudio did some tweaking to it in the past 5 years as well.
@@noway1co In a way....sorta. Don't quote me on this, but I had read somewhere that Wilson (the face of PaintAudio, and I assume sole engineer) worked for Melaudio at one point. from what I can gather, he invented and designed the Tone Shifter Mega for Melaudio. It's similar to this, in that it has the midi controller, as well as an audio interface within. It's designed to be used with a tablet device, like an iPad....even has a groove to hold an iPad. The CE1, is essentially a better version of that, with the PC built in, no need for the tablet, anymore. However, since it's a 4X4 interface, I would assume that he took his original 2X2 design and at least updated it. The other caveat here is that this IS made in China, where intellectual property means very little....I mean, look at some Behringer products. I don't know what pre-amps Wilson is using in the TSMega interface, or whether it's a completely original design, or what, but it could really be anything at this point. No shade at Wilson, I mean, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm thinking of doing a teardown when I get mine, depending on how complicated it might be. I'd like to know whether the CPU can be swapped out, and how difficult that might be. I'd like to know if the RAM can be upgraded as well. Watching Wilson's video about choosing the CPU he chose, it would appear that he tested many, landing on the N200 processor for stability issues. He mentioned a "clicking" sound when he tested other processors. The N200 isn't very powerful, but has a VERY low power draw, and I have a mini PC with an I7 that I'd like to see if it fits. He also never mentioned whether he optimized the CPU/Windows for audio "production," or not. I mean, this is a computer that has one dedicated purpose...I'm not planning on installing Microsoft Office on it, or any games, or even Google Chrome. I've already copied all of my plugin and DAW install files to a USB to sideload, so I don't even really need to ever turn the Wifi on. The small choices I found interesting was that he opted for a USB C to HDMI for an external monitor, yet kept 5 pin Midi in/out, when he could have used 1/8th inch TRS or midi over USB to free up more room. (if that was the deciding factor for not using a full HDMI output.) It seems to me that space could have been freed up for possibly more USB ports. This product is definitely a step in the right direction for guitar effects. It shows that some open minded people are looking forward to the evolution of the gear we use. To give you an idea of my thought process....why in the hell are we still using 5.5mm DC power supplies, when just about the entire world can be powered with USB C? There are some pedals where this is an option...I hope more manufacturers follow suit so that we can eventually be able to power an entire board from a power bank. Power supply manufacturers would have to switch up and starting making guitar centric USB power supplies to keep up...but it's a step in the right direction, if you ask me.
Also....sorry so many questions Shutting down.....do you you have to use the window icon in the bottom left and select shut down, or is it optimized to just use the power button? Speaking of optimization, did you do anything to attempt to make it more use specific? I mean, I already have a Mac Mini and a PC on my desk to use for other non-studio purposes, so I plan on this unit ONLY containing the things I need for live use....and hopefully recording (If DAWS will work on it). I noticed that Gig Performer has an E-Book on their site for optimizing a PC for the stage....
Na ask away! You do have to shut it down like a computer but it takes like 2 seconds so not that big of a deal. I also plan to make this a hybird rig for effects and amps sims only. I can totally run it all in one though if I wanted to.
@@hairman49er DUUUUUDE.....I just downloaded Gig Performer on my main PC, and OH MY LORD.....Just playing around a bit, and I had my signal going through their built in Uloud(??) thing, as well as Helix Native, Revalver, and Plini X, IN PARALLEL.....I never thought I'd be plugged in to 4 amps and cabs simultaneously, into 2 stereo outputs. I can't wait to get my CE1...the results will be ENDLESS.....I did no optimization to my mini PC...it's used for work, games, etc....and there was literally zero lag noticeable.
Wow finally I can watch Netflix on my pedalboard 🙌
The only thing I'm worried about for the CE-1 is forced Windows updates. Otherwise, I believe this is the future of DSP: Full computing systems in audio I/O friendly form factors. It opens up a whole world of replacing RAM sticks for more processing signal, overclocking CPUs to achieve lower latencies, etc. Exciting!
Yeah just got to remember to push it back after 5 weeks lol 😂 i must say though its pretty stable for the most part.
They should've gone with Linux though. Windows is quite unstable.
can you show teardown, what's inside of this thing? Really wanna know what audio interface does this thing have
the manual, online, indicates to set he main audio playback to TSMega. So, it would seem that it's the same interface that's in the Melaudio Tone Shifter Mega. Though, that device was only 2X2, and this is 4X4, I think. Additionally, I would assume that PainAudio did some tweaking to it in the past 5 years as well.
@@TJEvans98 so it's his in-house design purely for this thing
@@noway1co In a way....sorta. Don't quote me on this, but I had read somewhere that Wilson (the face of PaintAudio, and I assume sole engineer) worked for Melaudio at one point. from what I can gather, he invented and designed the Tone Shifter Mega for Melaudio. It's similar to this, in that it has the midi controller, as well as an audio interface within. It's designed to be used with a tablet device, like an iPad....even has a groove to hold an iPad. The CE1, is essentially a better version of that, with the PC built in, no need for the tablet, anymore. However, since it's a 4X4 interface, I would assume that he took his original 2X2 design and at least updated it.
The other caveat here is that this IS made in China, where intellectual property means very little....I mean, look at some Behringer products. I don't know what pre-amps Wilson is using in the TSMega interface, or whether it's a completely original design, or what, but it could really be anything at this point. No shade at Wilson, I mean, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm thinking of doing a teardown when I get mine, depending on how complicated it might be. I'd like to know whether the CPU can be swapped out, and how difficult that might be. I'd like to know if the RAM can be upgraded as well.
Watching Wilson's video about choosing the CPU he chose, it would appear that he tested many, landing on the N200 processor for stability issues. He mentioned a "clicking" sound when he tested other processors. The N200 isn't very powerful, but has a VERY low power draw, and I have a mini PC with an I7 that I'd like to see if it fits. He also never mentioned whether he optimized the CPU/Windows for audio "production," or not. I mean, this is a computer that has one dedicated purpose...I'm not planning on installing Microsoft Office on it, or any games, or even Google Chrome. I've already copied all of my plugin and DAW install files to a USB to sideload, so I don't even really need to ever turn the Wifi on.
The small choices I found interesting was that he opted for a USB C to HDMI for an external monitor, yet kept 5 pin Midi in/out, when he could have used 1/8th inch TRS or midi over USB to free up more room. (if that was the deciding factor for not using a full HDMI output.) It seems to me that space could have been freed up for possibly more USB ports.
This product is definitely a step in the right direction for guitar effects. It shows that some open minded people are looking forward to the evolution of the gear we use. To give you an idea of my thought process....why in the hell are we still using 5.5mm DC power supplies, when just about the entire world can be powered with USB C? There are some pedals where this is an option...I hope more manufacturers follow suit so that we can eventually be able to power an entire board from a power bank. Power supply manufacturers would have to switch up and starting making guitar centric USB power supplies to keep up...but it's a step in the right direction, if you ask me.
Is it included the Neural DSP plugin by default?
@@Adiyat_Coto no sir, you have to buy the plugins you want. There is a few free stuff out there though if you look
no
Also....sorry so many questions
Shutting down.....do you you have to use the window icon in the bottom left and select shut down, or is it optimized to just use the power button?
Speaking of optimization, did you do anything to attempt to make it more use specific? I mean, I already have a Mac Mini and a PC on my desk to use for other non-studio purposes, so I plan on this unit ONLY containing the things I need for live use....and hopefully recording (If DAWS will work on it). I noticed that Gig Performer has an E-Book on their site for optimizing a PC for the stage....
Na ask away! You do have to shut it down like a computer but it takes like 2 seconds so not that big of a deal. I also plan to make this a hybird rig for effects and amps sims only. I can totally run it all in one though if I wanted to.
@@hairman49er DUUUUUDE.....I just downloaded Gig Performer on my main PC, and OH MY LORD.....Just playing around a bit, and I had my signal going through their built in Uloud(??) thing, as well as Helix Native, Revalver, and Plini X, IN PARALLEL.....I never thought I'd be plugged in to 4 amps and cabs simultaneously, into 2 stereo outputs.
I can't wait to get my CE1...the results will be ENDLESS.....I did no optimization to my mini PC...it's used for work, games, etc....and there was literally zero lag noticeable.