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Hey spazza, so... I need help. My aim sucks cause a INSANE pen drift, do you have any sugestions for how i can solve this problem? I already tried the tablet under the tablet, it got worse.
(sorry for bad english, i'm still learning)
next video: i played full area for a MONTH, This is what happened
SFA
Nice titles haha
I went outside for a MONTH, This is what happened
@Veronika Zaglotova no it doesnt full area means you use the full area of your tablet lol
@Veronika Zaglotova actually true, I forgot about the small tablets like the huion 420
From my personal experience starting from index/ring. For some reason I had formed a habit of almost galloping when ever I do streams. This causes every other note on stream to be a 100 score, killing my accuracy in the long run. I am also an alternate tapper (not full alt because I do like to start with my index a lot), and I have issues with low bpm streams and finger control.
I avoided index/middle because I figured since my index/ring fingers are similar in length, I'd feel more comfortable. I realized that doesn't matter to me because when I switched to index/middle I got adusted to how it felt to play in under a week.
Since the index/middle fingers (minus the thumb) are the more dexterous fingers on our hand since we use them all the time, finger control and low bpm were not issues to me anymore. Now I'm just working out the spontaneous mis-inputs and build up my speed.
At the end of the day, it's all preferences, and what works for you.
Well I normally Single tap, unless there's a stream, but I every now and then I would alternate a bit or just pretend that there's a stream if there are these high bpm jumps that I can barely single tap through..
That’s exactly why I could never do ring/index
Funny enough I had these issues with middle + index, but when I tried out ring + index it was a lot more comfortable for me. Led me to breaking the bad habits I had originally on middle + index
galloping comes from lack of muscle memory and issues with dexterity/flexibility, if you are using anything ring related, be it index ring or middle ring (for you 7k folks), you need to utilize wrist rotation which will make up for your lack of dexterity in ring finger
@@karolbomba6704 since I play 7k as well as osu I could probably play ring index pretty easily though my speed would just not be up to par. You just rotate your wrist more since it is easier for your hand than to use the finger's muscle, though I think it is just part of technique.
6:57 After hearing this song 10million times on Stream i'm happy i dont have to hear this anymore :) :tf:
But For real tho Spazza. I enjoyed the Flowaim arc and i'm happy that u are enjoying Osu again. (i Hope) Soon to some very epic Plays and until then.
Stay scuba vibing!
Benefits of Ring Index : You look mildly like a velociraptor when you play
Cons : You may have to relearn how to use finger
Spazza you're right trying this yourself is the best way to experience new things like ring and index combination, i have tried it 1.5 year ago and I've improved so much with speed, stamina and reading
In case anyone is wondering about this for mania 4k, I don’t really recommend tbh (from my experience at least). I used it for a couple years when I first started on robeats mobile since you cant really use pointer and middle on a tablet. There’s nothing necessarily wrong about it; it felt comfortable and manageable.
The only thing is that it uses more wrist action which I found more draining for your stamina for jacks and jumpstreams etc. It also seems arguably slower then pointer and middle, but that might have to do more with tapping technique. That’s a big nono since conserving stamina is pretty crucial for mania. Also, once I made the switch to pointer and middle on pc, I thought my skill level had increased a lot (a lot easier to have thumb/finger support for jacks and faster manip things u need to do).
Anyways, that’s just my experience. Like he said in the vid, you could try if you’re curious and go gain some insight yourself; this is just something to consider.
Edited to make things a little cleaner*
Index+ring does indeed "use" more wrist action, though that's not how it works. It introduces more wrist rotation, which if anything, should help with your stamina and control.
Well, it is your experience and I definitely agree that your choice of switching to index+middle is a good one, since as I see it, index+ring was far from optimal for you.
You’re definitely right it used wrist rotation which is better for stamina. That’s why it would work well for standard.
I said it’s more draining for jacks and jumpstreams since you can’t exactly use wrist rotation for that. It’s also true you can use wrist rotation with index and middle (maybe less well), but there’s also the added benefit of the finger support that you can’t “rotate” for.
Then again, I’m sure other people could make it work somehow with index and ring. Of course there probably are still many great players that use that.
@@Slippity I'm an osumania main that actually uses index ring finger because of the uncomfort I feel because of the sheer finger length difference and less dexterity I seem to have with index middle, although its hard to compare now to when I first started using it since its my muscle memory. I do notice in my case its not necessarily stamina draining for me to do jacks, but with speed jack patterns such as mini jacks and long jacks, it doesn't feel the most natural (mostly and especially when just starting out using index and ring.) Its also important to note that its harder to do vibro because its harder to apply pressure into your forearms unless you have flawless technique, and good twitch genes. If you're wondering why Im talking so much about it, I just haven't seen anybody besides me actively use ring index in the mania community so its interesting when I see someone talk about it
switching to ring index fixed my finger lock issue in less then two days. and helped me a lot in streaming without tension. although i don't think its an ultimate problem solve thing for everyone. but i definitely recommend at least trying, if you feel like ur stuck for a week or more. trying something out of your comfort zone always helps. wether its more difficult/weird beatmaps, or different play styles. always keep experimenting and take your time.
ty for the video spazza, love your content.
I play mania and switched from index/middle few months ago and it was a great choice. I alway had problem with fingerlocking my middle finger but i dont have this problem with ring finger so i can play more to my limit and not worry about finger lockin
I switched to ring and index about a year after I first joined believing that me continuously tapping A and D to move left and right repeatedly was much faster than using index and middle. I have never went back.
I switched early, possibly 7 digit, and I think it's mostly player specific. I was surprised how quickly it became comfortable for me, though I've never tried a stream with middle. I'm sure it won't matter too much for the average player which finger they use.
Honestly i play ring + index because i click with ring faster and more to the rythm than with middle finger, and i don't get tired that fast, i guess it's all up to preferences
i changed to this play style bc i thought that my middle finger was too long and was not stable so i thought " how about i use my ring finger instead " i thought of this bc my ring and index finger have the same size and it was just perfect for my hand and could tap more consistent. i didn't do this bc i was copying anyone it just felt perfect on my hand structure or u could call it that
i shit myself while playing osu for a MONTH, this is how i learned 300bpm streams
all of it is personal preference, but it's nice knowing both playstyles. It helps you understand your fingercontrol more.
Started doing ring index in my first few days on osu never regretted it
I almost completely quit osu before I switched to ring index because when I played middle index, my hand would hurt after not even an hour. I was always afraid to switch, because I saw most if not all speed players played with middle index, and that’s the aspect I really wanted to improve on. It was only until ppl like mrekk switched that I gave it a shot, and I really enjoy it. It took a bit to get used to but I haven’t had any major pains in my hands anymore, and I can enjoy the game without worrying about breaking my hand.
Im sorry for replying to a 4 months old comment but I have THE EXACTLY SAME EXPERIENCE. I feel like im getting slower instead of faster the more I play middle index lol. On top of that it's almost as if I have no stamina. To fix this problem i thought tap+x would help but honestly it wasn't worth learning since it's VERY difficult. And when i thought about quitting(and maybe start playing mania mostly) I realised that I could actually tap way faster with ring index. I hope this gives me a chance to play the game...
I started playing osu 7 months ago, and I play very casually. I only full alt ring index, so playing low bpm maps just feel nice.
Wake up babe, New spazza video just dropped
i've been getting pain in my middle finger past few months (due to professionally cleaning+arthritis i believe, not from osu! specifically but im sure there might be partial relatedness) so i think im gonna do the same and try to switch because my max bpm has gone down by 25 yet game still fun
when i started osu i played ring index and got up to 4* maps but i started getting pain in my hand so i switched to middle index and now i stream 220 6* maps great expirience
can you make an collection with all the maps you used?
very cool video
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO USES AN IDENTICAL GRIP TO ME WHY IS IT SO RARE
I've been using my ring finger + index finger since i first started playing osu back in 2011. It's always been comfortable for me
tldw switching to ring index turns you into edward "btmc" ling, it's like magic
Cool, but when ytpmv?
I changed to ring index because i notice that my middle finger barely moves when streaming like it gets locked, i'm a jump player and when i try streams i just used to move my wrist sideways in a weird way lol, but with ring index i have better finger control and more stamina, i'm a full alternate player
As a mania player (and quite a good one) that mains index+ring, I can say that it introduces more wrist rotation, which probably will help with control, whether it be controlling slow streams or odd rhythms. BUT, when you gain muscle memory, for either, index+middle will most likely prove to be just as good if not better.
If you are looking for actual improvement, try fixing your habits and technique, before completely switching to a technique that will end up not being optimal.
If you are confident in your judgement whether it be your knowledge or experience, or have hit some kind of skill plateau then a technique change of this degree may be good for you
It is important to note that majority of players or even humans have more innate control and "strenght" in their middle finger over ring finger, so index middle is still better for anything speed/strenght related
@@karolbomba6704 source pls?
@@dexorne9753 Differences in grip and press strength show that the middle and index fingers are stronger than the ring and little fingers, whereas the little finger is the worst (Li, Latash, & Zatsiorsky, 1998;MacDermid et al., 2004;Talsania & Kozin, 1998;Quaine, Vigouroux, & Martin, 2003).
Question bro, does it not affect ur mousepad to play tab over it? Or do u hover
dt player is now a flow aim player ;o
spazza are u still using opentabletdriver as your tablet driver, i uses it, and when i try to hover, my cursor is shaky by a lot, and when i drag, my cursor is delayed, which is weird considering i use cth 480. is there anything that u can help me with
spazza what tablet are you using? and what is that thing on top? :)
Its just preference. Started with middle index and switched not long after starting just cause ring index felt better for me.
I switch to ring index because my middle finger hurt so much
I began playing osu with ring + index and I remember being less consistant than with middle + index, guess it was skill issue
wow
spazza do you play drag or hover with mousepad ontop of tablet?
but who is going to try the cursed middle-ring finger combo
why do you drag or hover on a mousepad?
also how do you get old deleted maps like mendes or pluto?
I saw this in 2020 and have been doing it for ages now, it’s good
Looks like badminton grip tape
@@llezur2632 is that an old comment I made?
I thought I was the only person who played like this
I tried switching and it's more comfortable and stable, but I'm just not as good at it.
I played index/ring when I tapped with my left hand, it was just the most comfortable
When I switched to tablet I switched aim hands though, and when I tried index/ring on my right hand, my pinkie would be painful in just 10-15 mins of play. I switched to index/middle and there's no more pain, and I can also tap faster/better than ever before
are you left handed?
@@shalahuddin.n2976 yep
kinda good
What's the skin from 2:50 to 2:53 ?
Been struggling with tapping speed, looked around to find any advice on how to improve, and TL;DR: I was told the average person should be able to do 160-180 BPM from the start, so no need to practise speed, just "play more" thanks, would love the 30 minutes of my life back from each of the long reads and videos I watched hoping people would have some cool maps or ideas on how to actually improve my physical speed. had people tell me it's a stamina issue (cuz the talk was related to streams) and it simply is not. I cannot do 140 BPM streams for even 1-2 seconds.
It is without a doubt, 100% a speed issue, no matter what everyone else says online, same with higher star rating Jump maps, I havent played Osu for very long, but the aiming part of jump maps has never been an issue, neither has tapping to match the note during the cursor movement (used tablet, but pen got yoinked at some point, so went back to mouse+keyboard) but the sheer speed at which I need to tap even on jumps was simply too fast whenever i played a fast 6 star or any 7 ish star jump maps.
I also have short tendons in my hands. I am one of those people that cannot bend his Pinky without also partially bending my ring finger. I cannot do the Star trek hand sign either. so I thought maybe that has something to do with it.
So I wanted to try ring + index, as they are to my limited anatomical knowledge, further apart and hopefully the issue of my tendons could be solved that way. My friend was bantering and making fun of my "old and slow hands" since i couldnt do 140 BPM death streams, nor do any streams maps really. I can do bursts by timing the first burst tap at the apex of 300 point range, while the last will then land at the very end of the 300 point range. but obviously for longer bursts, and streams this trick simply isn't possible anymore, at most it worked somewhat with 5-bursts.
So i tried ring+index, and low and behold with 0 practise I would do 140 BPM, altho awkwardly, since i have 0 finger control the rythm was off, and I finger locked etc, but I could physically do the speed, and even 160 was somewhat possible. but i wasn't sure if this would cause issues with other skills in Osu. would this cause finger locking issues with other techniques? how about finger control, since due to my short tendons i dont have great control of my pinky+ring finger seperately, would this cause stamina issues that my pinky simply won't be able to sit still and therefore just consume more energy and generate more lactic acid?
so I googled if other players had tried index+ring finger, to see what peoples opinions were, and this was the top result. I am very happy with the video, and I will try to continue playing with it for a while, despite the taunts from my friends about the weird play style. I appreciate the down to earth and realistic approach to play style, and hope this will allow me to learn how to actually play stream maps above 120 BPM.
Thank you! :)
Do you use a hard mousepad on top of the tablet?
i play with ring + index, i'm rusty at it since im inactive alot on osu, so yeah
Ive played ring index since i started so im happy that peoples have started playing like that (also people say i sound like you, send help)
i was ring + index before it was popular
Peasants, I use thumb and pinky with spacebar and control key
im a full alternater and a ring and index user yet i'm still poo poo. playing like that has always felt comfortable to me but i cant manage to better my aim or speed.
I started to play ring index for one reason: I wanted my index to be my main tapping finger. Switching to ring index made my index finger better at tapping (edit: since I can't use my index and was still new to ring finger). Dunno if I should go back to middle index though :|
Why do you have the old osu logo in the thumbnail
spazza my favourite italy :D
What's the PP counter and UR indicator?
Ring index + Z & X is the best way to play
Isn't that uncomfortable?
my ring finger is about the same length as my middle finger lol
lol I have been using these fingers for playing osu! from when I started, I can't believe people nowdays start using it xD
i injured my mi9ddle while playing , it hurts me since 2 weeks soo.. middle is an anoying alternative method of playing for me
I play on full area and use ring + index fingers to click
ring + index is more comfortable to alternate tap with
I used ring index like 1.5 months and honestly it didnt work for me. I gotta say my finger control was 1000x better with ring index but every other skillset became worse so i am playing index middle now again and i imoroved on finger control like this so i think it only matters wheter you are comfortable lr not. Also i had a lot of pain playing with it so i had to quit anyways.
I play ring+index just because of how stupidly long my middle finger is , I can't even do 3 note bursts with middle+index
Io che non riesco ancora ad abituarmi al double tap con x e z:
Im a ring index play i wanna experiment a 1 month with mid finger now lol
For some reason, I'm probably the only osu! player to use Ring+Middle fingers, I played like this for seven years. It's impossible to stream anything above 200 bpm without breaking combo and any stream that lasts more than 10 seconds becomes painful to do. Also my aim sucks but that's besides the point.
pov: u started playing ring + index at 900k
does anybody know the map on 4:41 ?
3:30 what skin is this?
what’s the song at 4:48?
Igorrr - Opus Brain
Literally never heard of rhythm games that aren’t like 4 lines, just got recommended this, what the fuck is going on?
Hi, what material did you use to cover your pen?
I think it’s tennis grip tape
I play middle and ring finger on mania and Igz for osu as well lol
3:40 beatmap link, please?
I played index and ring for 4 months then switched back to middle and index, gave me better finger control and tons more stamina
How did it give you more stamina? I saw it also in a video of hugo
@@shiiraga1111 Idk tbh, I guess from forcing my hand to switch and have more conscious about it, not sure though but it helped so much on my rhythm, def give it a try tbh
Anyone know what the map is at 4:43 ?
4 months ago, I started using my ring finger too, BUT I Alternate between my Ring finger + Index finger, and middle finger + index finger.
My experience is, my ring finger is faster and a bit more consistent. meanwhile my middle finger became for slow and 220 bpm streams. It's hard to explain, But what I use to tap right now is: J K
Yes I use J (ring and middle finger) & K (Index finger)... it's really weird but you'll get it, today I passed my first 8* map using my ring finger instead of my middle finger (Because of 279 bpm burst, my middle finger is for fast af bpm and middle finger for low slow bpm or for alternating)
Depending on your keyboard... J K keys for me are somewhat larger in size, (I use HyperX Alloy Origins red switches).
I started getting pain on my left hand using my middle finger for fast stuff so... yeah.
It wasn't tough to learn for me to relearn tapping with my ring finger because I started watching BTMC using his middle finger and I said: I wanna try that too, then I got into stream practice maps and I was using H & K (instead of J K), my tapping technique changed a lot since I started alternating my middle finger & my ring finger.
I'm also experienced using my ring finger for other stuff like Fortnite, Guitar Hero, WoW, you know, finger control games (?) games that uses a lot of keys y'know. shush fortnite gamer shush
You are insane, what are you doing man???
Switching between techniques like that is gonna make you gain muscle memory slower, and you could even start losing it
Don't use any kind of wide keybind with index+middle, that's horrible please stop.
Your left hand probably hurt because of bad posture and technique, you could've easily fixed it but instead you've had chosen to learn a completely different technique, not good.
Cranking 90's in fortnite isn't the same as consistent trilling
Wtf is that playstyle, I need to see a video of you doing that switching
What's the map at 3:35 ?
ayo whats the song at 4:43
Whats the first map name ?
AAUUUUUGGHHHHHHHHH
I ask improve too
But is so hard improve using mouse lol
what a coincidence, this video was uploaded 8 days after I decided to switch to index, ring, but I switched because my middle finger was weaker if compared with my index, I used to single tap with middle, now I single tap with index and my singletap is way more faster, and I feel less tired while playing, the only bad thing is that I'm not that good at long streams, maybe I didn't get used to it yet , but my speed is okay, I was 124k after the change, now I'm 103k
you didnt have to switch to ring finger, you could just tap with index and still play index middle; unless you find index+ring more comfortable, then good for you.
Measuring your improvement by rank is a horrid practice, measure your improvement by comparing your old scores and what bpm you can play.
I have quite the story when it comes to tapping.
I started playing osu with laptop keyboard and bought a osu keypad a few months after. I played with index+middle all the time when I noticed that I fingerlock all the god damn time with my middle. I tried various things. Different postures, tapping techs and even get into details on how much pressure I should apply.
It was so frustrating and switched to ring+index. And it was awesome. However, the same thing happend with my ring finger. I lost all fingercontrol and other tapping relating skills 2 months later. So I switched back to middle+index. After a month of playing it was all good and I was better than before.
But then again, right now I fingerlock again with middle and im thinking about switching back to ring+index.
Im not sure since im just making a break for 1 week after I started fingerlocking again and lost all tapping skill. I dont think breaks will do any good or change anything. But I recently started to learn mapping and having fun with that while im on break.
I think doing long stream practise maps will do you good at low bpms to get a better more consistent technique, as fingerlocking comes mostly from bad technique
@@redeal6581 I said I tried everything. Long stream practice map is my most played map with over 150 plays. I might even hit 200 dunno. My fingerlock sessions occur at random times. Right now I will decay for another few months until its gone. Habe no choice.
@@astraha. I see, rip. It worked for me really well so I thought maybe it'd help as I pretty much never fingerlock. What's your rank?
@@redeal6581 just check my profile and see for urself. Same name like here.
@@astraha. What do you fingerlock on exactly? If you don't fingerlock the long stream, I assume you fc the diffs you play often.
3:46 map ?
Please
my middle and ring are the same height while my index falls behind and is as big as my pinky....
alr, time to try index pinky and ring middle
If I remember that particular MatPat video from 201X correctly, You must be a girl, right?
use either ring or middle finger, with your index. index finger is the strongest (besides the thumb, which has zero dexterity)
@@Ladas552 no ;-;
@@timhan8667 i think you can only go so far with anatomy, if for some reason from the beginning you used primarily another finger eventhough that makes no sense since instinctively the index is your main im confident somebody out there actually has another finger as their dominant
@@wegamegood2884 i mean yeah there's a guy who plays with his feet
3:33 Map ?
Does anyone know where to buy good and relative cheap ring+index keypad? (And send link to them)
that's what I've been tryna find
I got mine on fortnite
what skin is that i love it
I believe it's a modified idke 1.2 skin
3:39 skin?
i went from streaming 220 to 270 after switching for 3 months
damn nice
I played like this for 1 month too, its completely useless, at first you feel like you can death stream a bit easier but get a lot worse at everything else. After a month I switched back to middle, and I stream the same speed as ring finger with more finger control.
idke skin makes ur flow aim better (not kidding) (real)
What the skin?
skin?
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personally it helped me get better at streams and acc but im a garbage 6 digit so yeah and
Why is your index and ring finger has the same length lol
I was Index+Ring from the start of my osu account, Why I watched it if I got nothing new on the matter?smh
anybody know the map on 3:37
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