OMG, that is so cool ! I have 5 x TS0601 since last year and I had to create 13 automations & 84 helpers to manage my thermostats fully automated. In my case, I have mainly these 2 conditions for the heating to trigger : Time range (start & stop) & presence I really hope they would add later time management on this integration 😍 In the meantime, thank you @KartoffelToby for this development and thank you @BeardedTinker for presenting it to the community, you are right, this should (hopefully) at some point be integrated to HomeAssistant! Take care, stay warm 😉
How did you manage to make them work? I have 3xTS0601 and they dont work properly on better thermostat. Do U use them on automatic or manual TRV mode? What options did you choose in the integration?
The opportunity to use an external temp sensor is very helpful. Anyway, I think that a video on how to program the heating system should be very helpful to the community
Hey, thanks for the video. I just installed this integration a week ago and it works just fine. Some scheduling would be nice for example a lower temperature at night times or at times when nobody is home. Have a good one.
oh my men, thanks a lot of this.. I was fighting with those TS0601 TRVs ones, not getting refresh from internal sensor and when I finally did, it was way off... this is very good solution!
I am installing it right now, and will test thoroughly. Everything what you showed here I did in Node Red (2 pages almost, for each TRV separately). If I can simply replace it with this integration I will "buy him a coffee" of course ;-). Yes, using external temperature sensors is a must - I opened the TRV and inside there is simple NTC sensor - very inaccurate and seriously: totally affected by the distance to the radiator (it shows 28C few minutes after TRV got open and hot water is in radiator) while room temperature sensor still shows 17C. Let me check it all and will update here ;-) Thanks again for bringing it here
Awesome! Tado has OKish sensors - there is not that big impact on radiator heat to measured internal temperature, but I am considering to add in 2 rooms external sensors just for that. Really interested to hear how it works out for you.
@@BeardedTinker first glance: it is not as sophisticated as I thought and to see more I started asking questions on his github. So let's wait until I know more. In fact the documentation is ... not that impressive
Yeah, documentation really needs work. Also, some very old suggestions there that would greatly improve it... But, one-man projects are victims of real life and time.
I noticed today it is up to 1.0.0-beta44 . That looks like it might be getting close to coming out of beta. Fantastic little card and I do think this is a good replacement for the native HA home assistant thermostat, though I can see that some people would like the simpler functionality of the native one, so definitely room for both. :) Thanks for another great video
Thank you 😍 It still needs few more things to make it even better, but it's good idea that you customise and remove functionality you don't need. HA should have something similar and customisable too. But simpler can be good too...
I prefer the simple thermostat look over the better thermostat, if they offered that choice of design, that would be fantastic as currently it takes up too much space
I think this has a lot of potential, but it will only achieve peak usefulness if it grows to a point where it combines indoor, outdoor and weather forecast data with not only the room thermostats but also the heating system itself. And then of course a clever algorithm that gives you just the right amount of power to hest with maximum efficiency. Getting all that sorted and also making it work with various heating systems (electric, heat pump, gas, oil - Radiators, floor, wall or ceiling heaters, A/C heaters) would be a mammoth projet though...and then combining it with something like excess solar energy...it would be a dream come true for users, but a nightmare for developers...🙈
Not easy :) Better thermostat does already include learning curve, but it's also still getting developed. As documentation is not that detailed I only had so far what was available on GitHUB as issues and ideas.
That is a very nice looking design! I'll have to look into this. Ideally I would want to be able to override the window function with a click in the icon or a long press to bring up options.
Again mind-reading Bearded Thinker :) I was actually planning to have a script read the open-window scenario when the heating is turned on for a particular room. Thank you for sharing this and glad I only need to be subscribed here to find out the latest news. Thanks to you sharing this now I don't need to do custom work. Cheers!
😂😂😂 Glad you got it in time. This should really simplify this task. That part works great. I think there should be some additional options in it to really make it perfect. And thank you for such a nice compliment - really appreciate it :)
The card looks so good , that I would like to build a ESP32 + Oled display with such thermostat.but I don’t know how to code… anyway, the integration + front end is awesome. Especially with those built in automations…. Kudos to … potato guy….
I have done something very complex with my heat-pump. I want it to take in account 2 room temperatures. 1: the room its placed in. 2: the next room where its air also reaches. And I also want to have diffrent temperatures in these 2 rooms based on: Night, Day and when I'm not home. So far I have achieved this manually with input-helpers and 3 diffrent automations. But would be cool to have a compled thermostat that did this :)
Hi, can you show what to do if we have 4 valves in the living room? One in open kitchen 2 at couch. One at dinner table for example... And also show a thermostat
I can't as there are just too many variations that you can make. For example group all 4 in one virtual valve, or have as 3 devices. Or every device for itself. Then it also depends on thermostat or heating controller you're using - is it simple relay, some smart system such as nest or tado, or more simpler Zigbee/WiFi thermostat. Also it depends if you're heating via boiler/heater or you live in a flat that's hooked to heating plant. It all depends on specific use case.
@@BeardedTinker yeah Really not needed for ac's I found the mini-climate-card from artem-sedykh for my use case, I wanted to have target temperature as well as current temperature for an AC that was returning very high values for the current temperature as the sensor is mounted in the AC itself not a separate home assistant entity like an aquara temp/humidity/pressure sensor.
In theory you cold use it with Ecobee - I've tried it Tado and it did work, but you lose some of the functionality of Tado and also from Better Thermostat.
I was doing fine until 08:26 in the video. I type in the start of the card bett but the better thermostat card isn't recognised, even typing it all in.
Thank you @BeardedTinker for this useful video! I started with betterthermostat and hope to understand later how to calibrate it with additional zigbee multisensor because I've connected tuya thermostat to existing NTC and it shows wrong temperature of the electrical heating floor.
Better Thermosat, if you add external temperature sensor to it should be able to compensate that difference. And also it has a learning curve to optimise the heating. Still need to look more closely into it.
@@BeardedTinker I did added external Aqara zigbee Multisensor (WSDCGQ11LM) to Tuya wifi thermostat. Now I wonder why I see the temperature of floor below treshold for almost 24 hours despite the heating status on better thermostat card. Will keep my observation. Once again thank you for your videos!
@@BeardedTinker I saw lower temperature on BT card and in its history. Screenshots are available at drive.google.com/drive/folders/1F6wm_Bpcs880PtuMx7VEAy5DwM6ItlDz?usp=share_link . Tuya thermostat shows incorrect temperature values since the not original ntc connected.
what i am still missing is a central managend heating plan. for all these trvs. homematic, tuya and so an. currently i have to use the manufactors app... thats not smart
Great video! I have a Nest thermostat installed but I want to replace it due to many api failures and not updating frequently while heating. Can you recommend a specific thermostat? I want to turn my AC on when my thermostat is turned to heating.
That's not that easy to answer. My preference is biased as I'm using tado for a LONG time now, but as long time user, I have no monthly subscription for advanced features. Depends on your heating and cooling system. Again, I control AC with tado AC controller :) There are tons of good solutions that also integrate nicely with Home Assistant. Check integrations page on Home Assistant site for HVAC integrations. That will give you a hint what is supported out of box.
do you happen to know why did my Better Thermostat switched from red to yellow color and stopped turning on the heat all of a sudden? Can't find anyhting on what the yellow color means
I have installed Better Thermostat for Home Assistant got it working with tado, I am guessing I would need to delete all the schudules and rules within Tado otherwise we have conflicting rules? What other brands of TRV's work well with Better Thermostat?
If you already have tado, I don't think it's worth to go to Better Thermostat. A lot of functionality is overlapping and tado app may be better (although there are premium features). I've tested it with Moes valves - 3 type, but plan to redo video with at least 5 different TRVs. Still haven't tested with Sonoff TRVZB, simply don't have enough free time.
@@BeardedTinker I have Tado in my whole house but there's big problem for it work well each room needs a wall Thermostat for temperature accuracy and this soon becomes an expensive solution when you have 7-8 rooms. I am planning to install a new system in a student rental house in which I pay the bills, my plan is to use Worchester Bosch CT200 Thermostat with some TRV's that are paired to Sonoff zigbee wall mounted temperature sensors in each room. I have quickly tested Tado TRV's with Sonoff Snzb-02d and seems to be working but only installed today so playing with things at the moment.
When I clicked on "Add integration" and selected Better thermostat, I got the message "Error Config flow could not be loaded: Failed dependencies recorder". Please help!
Hmm - my comment got deleted :) Looks like recorded is dependancy that is needed - www.home-assistant.io/integrations/recorder You can add it by writing recorder: in configuration.yaml file
I am interested by this but I get this Error Config flow could not be loaded: {"message":"Invalid handler specified"} in Integration,. What I can do? Thank you.
Did you tick box next to beta version and select latest beta (40 was latest few days back). This error usually shows when you don't install latest beta but version 0.0.0
Is it possible to use this thermostat to control 2 airconditioning units connected trough melcloud? I can select them as a climate entity but I'm getting an error. The 2 units are in the same room it's annoying to have to use 2 different tiles with the standard thermostat.
Not sure - this may be problem with not supported type of devices. But I don't think that's the case. What error do you get? You can try opening and issue on GitHub for Better Thermostat.
I got it working with the original tile and a climate group. Putting the tolerance in 0.1 removed the error message in better thermostat but for some reason is the temperature on the second unit 1.5°C lower compared to the setting value. Putting the group in better thermostat is making the temperature 1.5°C lower on both units. Strange behaviour @@BeardedTinker
Very promissing. Thk you for clear explanations. I would be interested to know how you would combine this integration with the control of the boiler. My boiler thermostat is in one room. If this room is at targeted temperature, boiler stops and other heaters get cold.
Thank you for your kind support. I am new with HA. In fact, I want to use a Sonoff THR320D to work with a boiler. I can use a card for temperature, I can switch on/off from the interface but the Better thermostat dosen't find it as Entity. Where I am wrong?
This is mostly used for Smart Valves. You cold try an create Generic Thermostat out of THR320D and than try to add it. www.home-assistant.io/integrations/generic_thermostat/ Entity needs to be climate.xxxx type for it to work.
Thank you for showing this very helpful integration. Few small tweaks, Add schedule to this, and it will be not “Better Thermostat" but "Best Thermostat" My thermostat (moes BRT-100-TRV) does not have option OFF as well. You mentioned that need to create OFF automation. It recognising open window, but not turning off thermostat when window open or set temperature reached. How to do it and marry OFF Automation to this integration is missing in your video. Can someone please explain how to do it? Thanks.
Yes, you are right - didn't cover that one. You could probably try to decrease temperature to very low. This is not off, but would not start heating if set to 5oC or similar. In documentation there is example on how to use service call for changing temperature.
Great video, many thanks 🙂 - Is it possible to use it without thermostate? I mean, i have temperature sensors and i would change the electric thermostate with a switch, (for example Sonoff). - can learn this better thermostate the heating characteristic of the heating system to avoid overshooting the target temperature? If yes, then how?
@@BeardedTinker Thank you! And what do You think about my second question about learning the characteristic to avoid overshooting the target temperature?
It already has some of it - I see that it's still getting worked on. Check release notes for last few versions. There are some recommendations for specific devices from what I've seen.
You can use combination of presets that are here (for example eco as night temperature and comfort during the day) and than in Home Assistant use schedule to define when to start heating and when to stop and use scheduler + automation to trigger specific preset. Not sure if this has pointed you in right direction :)
@@BeardedTinker thats exacly what i was thinging about but in automation i cannot set (or i dont know how, i'm new here) to switch between presets. All i can do via automation is set preset temperature (smart_thermostat: Set preset modes temperature). Any idea what should i do?
When adding Better Thermostat integration, just add multiple TRV's to it - I've tried with 4 and name them Home or something. It will than control all TRVs as one entity.
I've got the problem with heating using "better thermostat". When I set the target temp to let's say 23 degrees and after some time I reached this temp, the valve stayed opened to 100% and the heating wasn't stopped, even though the target was reached so I ended up with higher temp than I wanted. Any advice will be appreciated. (Tuya T0601)
What version are you using? I think there was an update 1-2 days ago that fixes TRV's taht can't set off state and also special quirks for TS0601 github.com/KartoffelToby/better_thermostat/releases
@@BeardedTinker I've been using the latest 1.0.0-beta51, but I noticed i didn't check one of the check box during setup called "If your TRV can't handle the off mode, you can enable this to use target temperature 5°C instead". Am I right?
Not sure - I have that thermostat and need to test it, but not have time now. Check also this thread: github.com/KartoffelToby/better_thermostat/discussions/640 and there are some others.
Great video! I like a possibility for window sensor, etc. However, I am trying to add a physical thermostat climate.termo_xxx, but it does require in addition a Temperature sensor. I do not have any external, when I do have physical thermostat for this purpose - how do I find what I should fill there as this is mandatory field?
but having another question @BeardedTinker - if I want to change for instance a window sensor, do I have to create the integration again or it is possible to change somewhere? I did not find it anywhere 🤔
Sorry for late reply - had to assemble bunch of furniture last 2 days :) I added mine (still have) via UI and can change in UI (for ti integrations, click on Better Thermostat and than click on name of new thermostat) anything related to it.
@@BeardedTinker Great, I found that! Thank you! Also, another thing I am fighting with, is the size - how can I make the whole card smaller? I have 7 thermostats...
Nice Video! I'm using Shelly TRV's too. External sensor readings are sent per MQTT by HA. Seems that the "Better" Component has no Function to activate BOOST of the TRV? I implemeted this also by sending MQTT command whren a HA-controlled Button is pressed. I'm using the (up to 5) profiles to set szenarios (including OFF).
Thanks for the info! I'm waiting for some other TRVs to arrive next week to test additional functions. But yes, Shelly TRV presets are not visible to integration.
The better thermostat integration looks great, but I have an issue: after every restart becomes "Unavailable" and I have to reconfigure it. I use a DHT22 as a sensor and works great. Can you help me? Thanks for your tutorials!
Does it corrects itself after some time or you have to recreate it? It cna take few minutes for sensors to get data in HA and until all data is available Better Thermostat can be unavailable. This again, depends on sensors you are using - if for example temp sensors report state every 10 minutes, you can have that long lag for it. Also be careful with DHT22 - they are no known for accuracy - but if you're using them for example with ESPHome, you could calibrate them to compensate on wrong readings (if you haven't done that already).
@@BeardedTinker Doesn't correct itself. I must reconfigure it after every restart, not immediately, after a time. Otherwise, works great. I like it more because can be controlled by opened/closed window.
Not really sure why. The only idea that pops up on my mind is that entities you're using don't have unique id and due to that with each reboot it regenerates from scratch.
Tried today with Aqara E1 and Moes GTZ05. I'm really fresh user of HA and smart devices, my problem is my TRV (not in bathroom) are in the design boxes (not sure ho is the name in english :D) so the temperaure inside after few minutes of heating is over 30 degrees and Aqara close the valve and stop heating beside my temp device on the wall is still 21, so not sure how to solve this problem :(
With this - you just need external temperature sensors like I showed in video and it will use that to control the valve. Did you setup external temperature sensors in Better thermostat? But, those boxes and smart valves should be avoided. They need to have access to air out of the box.
@@BeardedTinker yes I did. After next test I think it works just fine. Next step will be trigger by hitter via each of external temp device and set TRV's open and close when is warm enough. Not sure only aqara or moes. Aqara seems to be better quality but less info in HA and less control possibility. I bought aqara hub to test but then you lose control in HA ;) Great film. Thx so much. I'm your fan now and wait for next great video
5:45 - Hey BeardedTinker. Can you please create a guide about Android TVs? mine keeps going offline and is very unstable. It feels like entering a deep sleep, even though it shouldn't. It is also very unresponsive. I see you also have an integration problem with it. What do you think about this topic?
Ohh - Android TV - love it and hate it. Having the same issues. Actually I'm waiting for Black Friday to get Google TV stick and try that one. My current Mi TV Stick also ignores never sleep command and goes offline when it shouldn't. I had Android TV integration disabled for 6-9 months and just recently once again tried to fix it but still same. Will see when I get other one.
Android tv can be set up and work with out an issues but it can also depend on tv a lot. Cheap low end android tv will likely have issues. I have android tv and it's working great. I use android remote app from play store. Tv is connected with powerline adapter to router. I ping it in ha to prevent it from going into deep sleep. I can turn it on off use s doorbell to cast on it if someone rings. No issue. It's xiaomi tv
@@MihaiKrieger easy. I use binary sensor yaml, platform ping. It's hard to write detailed instructions here but it's not big deal to make it work. But it might depend on android tv.
I have Moes TRVs with standard time-based schedule and they are in "programming mode" now. I also have some Aqara Temp sensors, so Better Thermostat seems great for my use. Is there a way to integrate similar functions with Better Thermostat? So add a schedule for temps/days/hours and do that with Better Thermostat? I am quite new to HA and I am not sure what is the best approach to achieve that :( I would appreciate any help!
Hi! HA has integration called schedule. It can be used for daily timers (you can set multiple per day). I think that is the easiest way to do it. I haven't done it myself but have seen few people use it. For example Schedule - day/night also workday/weekend - and than use this schedule in Automation as trigger to trigger to eco/comfort/boost heating presets.
Haven't used it with tado for now. I've seen that some did try and they said it works. Not sure if that was with HomeKit or cloud tado integration. What was the problem you had?
@@BeardedTinker I have mine setup with the cloud Tado. The problem that I was experiencing was that there didn't seem to be a way of reverting back to the cloud schedule. There is no symbol on the Better Thermostat UI card. Also when I manually set the temperature setpoint to below the actual temperature, the flame signal did not go off, which i would have expected it to do so.
@@danthetube5707 te is intended as replacement or open source version of how tado does temperature control, so, yeah - only way to go back to schedule it to change to auto in app think. As far as the flame icon, I think it's UI thing - from what I've figured, it's representing that it's in heating mode, not that it actually is heating at that moment.
Hi Thanks for the last few videos. Are you now using this with your TADO set up and does the TADO open window work OK with this ? Thanks again Can you set the temperature via a schedule?
No, my main setup still uses tado system. But you should be able to use it with it. For window open detection, have to check that one. I don't remember if tado exposes this or not. It should be possible to use schedule but with automation, still not integrated in better thermostat
Thank you for the excellent video, well done!! I am currently using the integrated thermostat card. I use it with a bluetooth sensor and then it triggers a space heater on a tuya plug. No real thermostat. Can I do that with this thermostat as well? This is in a cool van build and home assistant is wonderful!!! I also have outdoor sensors and door sensors, so utilizing this new BETTER thermostat would be fabulous!
@@BeardedTinker What I use is the //generic thermostat card. It lets me specify the sensor blue tooth and the plug (in my case a tuya s31) it never actually acceses a thermostat. Can I take a blue tooth entity and a switch entity and transform it into a climate.enitity?
Yes, there is generic thermostat integration. I think I featured it about 3 weeks ago in a video. It allows you to fake thermostat with temperature sensors and relay.
Range should be taken from device itself. If you go and look at device state in developer tools for TRV, do you see range there and does it have correct values. If it does, it's probably bug that you should report on GitHub.
@@BeardedTinker hello, yes I see it. I solved the problem by making a customize.yaml file and defined the min and max_temp value there. The default for me was set from 7 to 300... Tnx anyways.
Thank you for this video! It is extremely helpful. I would appreciate if you can also dive into the topic how to set the Schedule/Planer for the better thermostat up! 🤩 And what would be also extremely appreciated is how to make heating to turn on/off when somebody (or a specifies group of users) is or is not at home 🥰
For temperature sensor or to create Better thermostat entity? For first one to add as external temperature sensor - yes. But DHT22 is not very and precise sensor. To create better Thermostat you need climate entity.
OMG, that is so cool ! I have 5 x TS0601 since last year and I had to create 13 automations & 84 helpers to manage my thermostats fully automated.
In my case, I have mainly these 2 conditions for the heating to trigger : Time range (start & stop) & presence
I really hope they would add later time management on this integration 😍
In the meantime, thank you @KartoffelToby for this development and thank you @BeardedTinker for presenting it to the community, you are right, this should (hopefully) at some point be integrated to HomeAssistant!
Take care, stay warm 😉
Hopefully with schedule now part of HA there could be simple integration for it too.
Thank you for the comment!!
@@BeardedTinker this stuff is dope, long live guys like you!
@@cleo_4 thank you :)
How did you manage to make them work? I have 3xTS0601 and they dont work properly on better thermostat. Do U use them on automatic or manual TRV mode? What options did you choose in the integration?
@@piotrmalesza5601 I use them in manual mode with standard thermostat
The opportunity to use an external temp sensor is very helpful. Anyway, I think that a video on how to program the heating system should be very helpful to the community
I'm working on some TRV's, testing them, so could include it there.
Hey, thanks for the video. I just installed this integration a week ago and it works just fine. Some scheduling would be nice for example a lower temperature at night times or at times when nobody is home.
Have a good one.
Thanks for the info - yes, especially now since scheduling is embedded in HA :)
I use the scheduler card. Used with climate entity does what you say.
oh my men, thanks a lot of this.. I was fighting with those TS0601 TRVs ones, not getting refresh from internal sensor and when I finally did, it was way off... this is very good solution!
Awesome - glad it helped.
This is really helpful, especially for a home automation noob like myself. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the comment!!!
The new thermostat integration looks great! From what I have found, there is even support for Tado, what is really nice! Thank you for the video!
Yes, it looks like it does.
I am installing it right now, and will test thoroughly. Everything what you showed here I did in Node Red (2 pages almost, for each TRV separately). If I can simply replace it with this integration I will "buy him a coffee" of course ;-). Yes, using external temperature sensors is a must - I opened the TRV and inside there is simple NTC sensor - very inaccurate and seriously: totally affected by the distance to the radiator (it shows 28C few minutes after TRV got open and hot water is in radiator) while room temperature sensor still shows 17C. Let me check it all and will update here ;-) Thanks again for bringing it here
Awesome! Tado has OKish sensors - there is not that big impact on radiator heat to measured internal temperature, but I am considering to add in 2 rooms external sensors just for that.
Really interested to hear how it works out for you.
@@BeardedTinker first glance: it is not as sophisticated as I thought and to see more I started asking questions on his github. So let's wait until I know more.
In fact the documentation is ... not that impressive
Yeah, documentation really needs work. Also, some very old suggestions there that would greatly improve it... But, one-man projects are victims of real life and time.
Thank you for your fast answer. I will proceed acordingly.
😉👍
I noticed today it is up to 1.0.0-beta44 . That looks like it might be getting close to coming out of beta.
Fantastic little card and I do think this is a good replacement for the native HA home assistant thermostat, though I can see that some people would like the simpler functionality of the native one, so definitely room for both. :)
Thanks for another great video
Thank you 😍 It still needs few more things to make it even better, but it's good idea that you customise and remove functionality you don't need. HA should have something similar and customisable too. But simpler can be good too...
I prefer the simple thermostat look over the better thermostat, if they offered that choice of design, that would be fantastic as currently it takes up too much space
I think this has a lot of potential, but it will only achieve peak usefulness if it grows to a point where it combines indoor, outdoor and weather forecast data with not only the room thermostats but also the heating system itself. And then of course a clever algorithm that gives you just the right amount of power to hest with maximum efficiency.
Getting all that sorted and also making it work with various heating systems (electric, heat pump, gas, oil - Radiators, floor, wall or ceiling heaters, A/C heaters) would be a mammoth projet though...and then combining it with something like excess solar energy...it would be a dream come true for users, but a nightmare for developers...🙈
☝️ this!!!!
Thanks for the video. I didn't know about this thermostat will give it a try later.
Hope you'll have fun with it Adi!
Great video! please make a tutorial with the heating curve, it would be great if you could combine it with this thermostat. :)
Not easy :) Better thermostat does already include learning curve, but it's also still getting developed.
As documentation is not that detailed I only had so far what was available on GitHUB as issues and ideas.
Thanks A LOT for the video. I was just planning updating all my automations for my heating. This sounds a great project to check!
Thank you! It really simplifies some of the tasks and automation. But some things are still missing...
I saw the whole video I don't see where you made the link between your "better thermostat called " and your radiator valve on your desk.
It's here: th-cam.com/video/4Wm-LfuEYLU/w-d-xo.html 4:56 mark in video. Entity that was added was Shelly TRV
That is a very nice looking design! I'll have to look into this. Ideally I would want to be able to override the window function with a click in the icon or a long press to bring up options.
Yes, that's awesome idea! You can make suggestion if you wish here: github.com/KartoffelToby/better_thermostat/discussions/categories/ideas
@@BeardedTinker Seems like there is a similar request already. I will see where that goes.
Nice :) I started working about similar functionality in NodeRED but that is something what i'm looking for :) Thanks
Awesome! Hope it will fit you well!!!
Again mind-reading Bearded Thinker :) I was actually planning to have a script read the open-window scenario when the heating is turned on for a particular room. Thank you for sharing this and glad I only need to be subscribed here to find out the latest news. Thanks to you sharing this now I don't need to do custom work. Cheers!
😂😂😂 Glad you got it in time. This should really simplify this task. That part works great. I think there should be some additional options in it to really make it perfect.
And thank you for such a nice compliment - really appreciate it :)
The card looks so good , that I would like to build a ESP32 + Oled display with such thermostat.but I don’t know how to code… anyway, the integration + front end is awesome. Especially with those built in automations…. Kudos to … potato guy….
That could be fun project...
I have done something very complex with my heat-pump. I want it to take in account 2 room temperatures. 1: the room its placed in. 2: the next room where its air also reaches.
And I also want to have diffrent temperatures in these 2 rooms based on: Night, Day and when I'm not home.
So far I have achieved this manually with input-helpers and 3 diffrent automations.
But would be cool to have a compled thermostat that did this :)
This is really nice and complex. Taking into account room next to the one you are controlling.
Like the intro!
Thank you!!!
I think that fully opening-closing valve will drain your battery drastically.
From what I've seen so far, it does have impact, but not that big.
Hi, can you show what to do if we have 4 valves in the living room? One in open kitchen 2 at couch. One at dinner table for example... And also show a thermostat
I can't as there are just too many variations that you can make. For example group all 4 in one virtual valve, or have as 3 devices. Or every device for itself.
Then it also depends on thermostat or heating controller you're using - is it simple relay, some smart system such as nest or tado, or more simpler Zigbee/WiFi thermostat.
Also it depends if you're heating via boiler/heater or you live in a flat that's hooked to heating plant.
It all depends on specific use case.
Great video thanks. I hope this works also with ACs
By the looks, no - I may be wrong, but don't think it can support AC.
@@BeardedTinker yeah Really not needed for ac's I found the mini-climate-card from artem-sedykh for my use case, I wanted to have target temperature as well as current temperature for an AC that was returning very high values for the current temperature as the sensor is mounted in the AC itself not a separate home assistant entity like an aquara temp/humidity/pressure sensor.
Great video! Is this only for TRV or can I use with Ecobee?
In theory you cold use it with Ecobee - I've tried it Tado and it did work, but you lose some of the functionality of Tado and also from Better Thermostat.
I was doing fine until 08:26 in the video. I type in the start of the card bett but the better thermostat card isn't recognised, even typing it all in.
Did you install both Better thermostat integration and also cars (from HACS Frontend)? If yes, did you reload the browser (or press Ctrl+F5)
@@BeardedTinker Yes I did all those things. I'm going to delete all and re-do all steps
Did this fix it?
@@BeardedTinker Worked fine 2nd attempt
Thank you @BeardedTinker for this useful video! I started with betterthermostat and hope to understand later how to calibrate it with additional zigbee multisensor because I've connected tuya thermostat to existing NTC and it shows wrong temperature of the electrical heating floor.
Better Thermosat, if you add external temperature sensor to it should be able to compensate that difference. And also it has a learning curve to optimise the heating. Still need to look more closely into it.
@@BeardedTinker I did added external Aqara zigbee Multisensor (WSDCGQ11LM) to Tuya wifi thermostat. Now I wonder why I see the temperature of floor below treshold for almost 24 hours despite the heating status on better thermostat card. Will keep my observation. Once again thank you for your videos!
@@deberdeevy what temperature do you see lower? On BT thermostat or on tuya thermostat?
@@BeardedTinker I saw lower temperature on BT card and in its history. Screenshots are available at drive.google.com/drive/folders/1F6wm_Bpcs880PtuMx7VEAy5DwM6ItlDz?usp=share_link .
Tuya thermostat shows incorrect temperature values since the not original ntc connected.
what i am still missing is a central managend heating plan. for all these trvs. homematic, tuya and so an. currently i have to use the manufactors app... thats not smart
Yes, true... That part is still missing.
does this work with HoneyWell Wifi Thermostats?
If you can get it as climate entity in HA, it could probably work.
Great video! I have a Nest thermostat installed but I want to replace it due to many api failures and not updating frequently while heating. Can you recommend a specific thermostat? I want to turn my AC on when my thermostat is turned to heating.
That's not that easy to answer. My preference is biased as I'm using tado for a LONG time now, but as long time user, I have no monthly subscription for advanced features.
Depends on your heating and cooling system. Again, I control AC with tado AC controller :)
There are tons of good solutions that also integrate nicely with Home Assistant. Check integrations page on Home Assistant site for HVAC integrations. That will give you a hint what is supported out of box.
do you happen to know why did my Better Thermostat switched from red to yellow color and stopped turning on the heat all of a sudden? Can't find anyhting on what the yellow color means
Sorry, no idea. You can check Wiki or ask/open issue on GitHub. Looked through the docs as I haven't experienced it - but didn't find anything.
Thank you.
Thank you Ron for the comment!!
I have installed Better Thermostat for Home Assistant got it working with tado, I am guessing I would need to delete all the schudules and rules within Tado otherwise we have conflicting rules? What other brands of TRV's work well with Better Thermostat?
If you already have tado, I don't think it's worth to go to Better Thermostat. A lot of functionality is overlapping and tado app may be better (although there are premium features).
I've tested it with Moes valves - 3 type, but plan to redo video with at least 5 different TRVs.
Still haven't tested with Sonoff TRVZB, simply don't have enough free time.
@@BeardedTinker I have Tado in my whole house but there's big problem for it work well each room needs a wall Thermostat for temperature accuracy and this soon becomes an expensive solution when you have 7-8 rooms. I am planning to install a new system in a student rental house in which I pay the bills, my plan is to use Worchester Bosch CT200 Thermostat with some TRV's that are paired to Sonoff zigbee wall mounted temperature sensors in each room. I have quickly tested Tado TRV's with Sonoff Snzb-02d and seems to be working but only installed today so playing with things at the moment.
Yeah, that can be very expensive. I needed only 2 wall thermostat for specific rooms.
When I clicked on "Add integration" and selected Better thermostat, I got the message "Error Config flow could not be loaded: Failed dependencies recorder". Please help!
Hmm - my comment got deleted :)
Looks like recorded is dependancy that is needed - www.home-assistant.io/integrations/recorder
You can add it by writing recorder: in configuration.yaml file
@@BeardedTinker I reinstalled my HA, and now it seems to work fine. HA is a sort of challenge :) Many thanks for your advice, though!
@@antonzemanek7770 you shouldn't need to reinstall, but glad it fixed it :)
Im having some issues with external temp setting, i will try again
What kind of problem? And what type of sensor do you use.
I am interested by this but I get this Error
Config flow could not be loaded: {"message":"Invalid handler specified"} in Integration,. What I can do? Thank you.
Did you tick box next to beta version and select latest beta (40 was latest few days back). This error usually shows when you don't install latest beta but version 0.0.0
THANK YOU. Indeed with last beta vesion it works.
Is it possible to use this thermostat to control 2 airconditioning units connected trough melcloud? I can select them as a climate entity but I'm getting an error. The 2 units are in the same room it's annoying to have to use 2 different tiles with the standard thermostat.
Not sure - this may be problem with not supported type of devices. But I don't think that's the case. What error do you get? You can try opening and issue on GitHub for Better Thermostat.
I got it working with the original tile and a climate group. Putting the tolerance in 0.1 removed the error message in better thermostat but for some reason is the temperature on the second unit 1.5°C lower compared to the setting value. Putting the group in better thermostat is making the temperature 1.5°C lower on both units. Strange behaviour @@BeardedTinker
Very promissing. Thk you for clear explanations. I would be interested to know how you would combine this integration with the control of the boiler. My boiler thermostat is in one room. If this room is at targeted temperature, boiler stops and other heaters get cold.
My system syncs that automatically (tado) - if any room needs heat, smart thermostat will start heating even if room where it is in doesn't need it.
Hello, how can i add a time schedule to turn some of the thermostats off or set it to a lower temperatures
Thank you for your kind support. I am new with HA. In fact, I want to use a Sonoff THR320D to work with a boiler. I can use a card for temperature, I can switch on/off from the interface but the Better thermostat dosen't find it as Entity. Where I am wrong?
This is mostly used for Smart Valves. You cold try an create Generic Thermostat out of THR320D and than try to add it.
www.home-assistant.io/integrations/generic_thermostat/ Entity needs to be climate.xxxx type for it to work.
Thank you for showing this very helpful integration. Few small tweaks, Add schedule to this, and it will be not “Better Thermostat" but "Best Thermostat"
My thermostat (moes BRT-100-TRV) does not have option OFF as well. You mentioned that need to create OFF automation. It recognising open window, but not turning off thermostat when window open or set temperature reached. How to do it and marry OFF Automation to this integration is missing in your video. Can someone please explain how to do it? Thanks.
Yes, you are right - didn't cover that one. You could probably try to decrease temperature to very low. This is not off, but would not start heating if set to 5oC or similar. In documentation there is example on how to use service call for changing temperature.
Will this over write schedule set on device ? I have TS0601_thermostat integrated via zigbee2mqtt,
It shouldn't - it is not touching those settings.
Great video, many thanks 🙂
- Is it possible to use it without thermostate? I mean, i have temperature sensors and i would change the electric thermostate with a switch, (for example Sonoff).
- can learn this better thermostate the heating characteristic of the heating system to avoid overshooting the target temperature? If yes, then how?
You could create generic thermostat in that case and use it with this - I guess, didn't try thou.
@@BeardedTinker Thank you! And what do You think about my second question about learning the characteristic to avoid overshooting the target temperature?
It already has some of it - I see that it's still getting worked on. Check release notes for last few versions. There are some recommendations for specific devices from what I've seen.
Hello, how can i shedule temperatures with this thermostat? Is it possible? I need to automate/define night and day hours.
You can use combination of presets that are here (for example eco as night temperature and comfort during the day) and than in Home Assistant use schedule to define when to start heating and when to stop and use scheduler + automation to trigger specific preset.
Not sure if this has pointed you in right direction :)
@@BeardedTinker thats exacly what i was thinging about but in automation i cannot set (or i dont know how, i'm new here) to switch between presets. All i can do via automation is set preset temperature (smart_thermostat: Set preset modes temperature). Any idea what should i do?
Does it support Danfoss Ally trvs?
It should be supported according to documentation from pre beta 20.
How would you make a central heating system with multiple trvs? like if I want to turn on the whole house and set it to 20 degrees for example.
When adding Better Thermostat integration, just add multiple TRV's to it - I've tried with 4 and name them Home or something. It will than control all TRVs as one entity.
@@BeardedTinker thanks!
I've got the problem with heating using "better thermostat". When I set the target temp to let's say 23 degrees and after some time I reached this temp, the valve stayed opened to 100% and the heating wasn't stopped, even though the target was reached so I ended up with higher temp than I wanted. Any advice will be appreciated. (Tuya T0601)
What version are you using? I think there was an update 1-2 days ago that fixes TRV's taht can't set off state and also special quirks for TS0601 github.com/KartoffelToby/better_thermostat/releases
@@BeardedTinker I've been using the latest 1.0.0-beta51, but I noticed i didn't check one of the check box during setup called "If your TRV can't handle the off mode, you can enable this to use target temperature 5°C instead". Am I right?
Not sure - I have that thermostat and need to test it, but not have time now. Check also this thread: github.com/KartoffelToby/better_thermostat/discussions/640 and there are some others.
Yeah, I need to investigate it, and will look closer to the reportered issues on github. Thanks for your help.
Great video! I like a possibility for window sensor, etc.
However, I am trying to add a physical thermostat climate.termo_xxx, but it does require in addition a Temperature sensor. I do not have any external, when I do have physical thermostat for this purpose - how do I find what I should fill there as this is mandatory field?
resolved - had to create a sensor in config.yaml from the climate.termo_xxx entity
but having another question @BeardedTinker - if I want to change for instance a window sensor, do I have to create the integration again or it is possible to change somewhere? I did not find it anywhere 🤔
Sorry for late reply - had to assemble bunch of furniture last 2 days :)
I added mine (still have) via UI and can change in UI (for ti integrations, click on Better Thermostat and than click on name of new thermostat) anything related to it.
@@BeardedTinker Great, I found that! Thank you!
Also, another thing I am fighting with, is the size - how can I make the whole card smaller? I have 7 thermostats...
How do I make the thermostat remember its last state after restarting Home Assistant?
Depends on the setting, but there are few options (eco, away,...) that can be predefined. And that setting can be restored upon restart.
@@BeardedTinker thank you!
Nice Video! I'm using Shelly TRV's too. External sensor readings are sent per MQTT by HA. Seems that the "Better" Component has no Function to activate BOOST of the TRV? I implemeted this also by sending MQTT command whren a HA-controlled Button is pressed. I'm using the (up to 5) profiles to set szenarios (including OFF).
Thanks for the info! I'm waiting for some other TRVs to arrive next week to test additional functions. But yes, Shelly TRV presets are not visible to integration.
The better thermostat integration looks great, but I have an issue: after every restart becomes "Unavailable" and I have to reconfigure it. I use a DHT22 as a sensor and works great. Can you help me? Thanks for your tutorials!
Does it corrects itself after some time or you have to recreate it? It cna take few minutes for sensors to get data in HA and until all data is available Better Thermostat can be unavailable. This again, depends on sensors you are using - if for example temp sensors report state every 10 minutes, you can have that long lag for it.
Also be careful with DHT22 - they are no known for accuracy - but if you're using them for example with ESPHome, you could calibrate them to compensate on wrong readings (if you haven't done that already).
@@BeardedTinker Doesn't correct itself. I must reconfigure it after every restart, not immediately, after a time. Otherwise, works great. I like it more because can be controlled by opened/closed window.
Not really sure why. The only idea that pops up on my mind is that entities you're using don't have unique id and due to that with each reboot it regenerates from scratch.
Tried today with Aqara E1 and Moes GTZ05. I'm really fresh user of HA and smart devices, my problem is my TRV (not in bathroom) are in the design boxes (not sure ho is the name in english :D) so the temperaure inside after few minutes of heating is over 30 degrees and Aqara close the valve and stop heating beside my temp device on the wall is still 21, so not sure how to solve this problem :(
With this - you just need external temperature sensors like I showed in video and it will use that to control the valve.
Did you setup external temperature sensors in Better thermostat?
But, those boxes and smart valves should be avoided. They need to have access to air out of the box.
@@BeardedTinker yes I did. After next test I think it works just fine. Next step will be trigger by hitter via each of external temp device and set TRV's open and close when is warm enough. Not sure only aqara or moes. Aqara seems to be better quality but less info in HA and less control possibility. I bought aqara hub to test but then you lose control in HA ;) Great film. Thx so much. I'm your fan now and wait for next great video
Thank you very much :)
@@BeardedTinker you're welcome cheers :)
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I do and unknown fact - YT Channel members can get access to the server as it's multiplayer environment hosted online :)
@@BeardedTinker nice 😄 it's a fun pack to play.
5:45 - Hey BeardedTinker. Can you please create a guide about Android TVs? mine keeps going offline and is very unstable. It feels like entering a deep sleep, even though it shouldn't. It is also very unresponsive. I see you also have an integration problem with it. What do you think about this topic?
Ohh - Android TV - love it and hate it. Having the same issues. Actually I'm waiting for Black Friday to get Google TV stick and try that one. My current Mi TV Stick also ignores never sleep command and goes offline when it shouldn't. I had Android TV integration disabled for 6-9 months and just recently once again tried to fix it but still same. Will see when I get other one.
@@BeardedTinker thank you for this. I thought I have been doing something wrong.
Android tv can be set up and work with out an issues but it can also depend on tv a lot. Cheap low end android tv will likely have issues. I have android tv and it's working great. I use android remote app from play store. Tv is connected with powerline adapter to router. I ping it in ha to prevent it from going into deep sleep. I can turn it on off use s doorbell to cast on it if someone rings. No issue. It's xiaomi tv
@@danieldekovic9706 how do you ping it from ha? From the terminal? How often do you do it? Are you using an automation for it? This is interesting
@@MihaiKrieger easy. I use binary sensor yaml, platform ping. It's hard to write detailed instructions here but it's not big deal to make it work. But it might depend on android tv.
Nice but impossible to add to HomeAssistant. Therefore useless
Why not? I have it in 2 systems running...
Doesn’t support Aqara smart TRV unfortunately so no real point of it for me as there isn’t much different
Have you tried adding it? Because users with Aqara TRV have been using it for months...
Works for me
I have Moes TRVs with standard time-based schedule and they are in "programming mode" now. I also have some Aqara Temp sensors, so Better Thermostat seems great for my use.
Is there a way to integrate similar functions with Better Thermostat? So add a schedule for temps/days/hours and do that with Better Thermostat? I am quite new to HA and I am not sure what is the best approach to achieve that :( I would appreciate any help!
Hi! HA has integration called schedule. It can be used for daily timers (you can set multiple per day). I think that is the easiest way to do it. I haven't done it myself but have seen few people use it. For example Schedule - day/night also workday/weekend - and than use this schedule in Automation as trigger to trigger to eco/comfort/boost heating presets.
@@BeardedTinker Thanks a lot for the reply! I will see what I can do with that :)
I just subscribed ;)
Thank you 🙂 much appreciated!
@@BeardedTinker I managed to automate Better Thermostat with Niels Faber's Scheduler Card. It works like a charm! 😊
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I have tried this with my Tado system and I can't get it to work. @BeardedTinker have you been able to use this with your Tado system?
Haven't used it with tado for now. I've seen that some did try and they said it works. Not sure if that was with HomeKit or cloud tado integration. What was the problem you had?
@@BeardedTinker I have mine setup with the cloud Tado. The problem that I was experiencing was that there didn't seem to be a way of reverting back to the cloud schedule. There is no symbol on the Better Thermostat UI card. Also when I manually set the temperature setpoint to below the actual temperature, the flame signal did not go off, which i would have expected it to do so.
@@danthetube5707 te is intended as replacement or open source version of how tado does temperature control, so, yeah - only way to go back to schedule it to change to auto in app think.
As far as the flame icon, I think it's UI thing - from what I've figured, it's representing that it's in heating mode, not that it actually is heating at that moment.
i just get User input malformed: expected float for dictionary value @ data['tolerance']
Version 2 was released few weeks back, maybe something changed - looks like tolerance value is not correct.
Just had the same error and set the tolerance to 0.1. Think any 0.x value will do it
Such a great idea, but it woes not work with AC units… that would have been a blast…
No, unfortunately not. There is feature request for it for some time now on GitHub - you can try voting for it - I did few days back.
@@BeardedTinker if not direct AC, a add on to Sensibo would help already… the UI worked, but I was unable to switch to cooling
Hi
Thanks for the last few videos. Are you now using this with your TADO set up and does the TADO open window work OK with this ?
Thanks again
Can you set the temperature via a schedule?
No, my main setup still uses tado system. But you should be able to use it with it. For window open detection, have to check that one. I don't remember if tado exposes this or not.
It should be possible to use schedule but with automation, still not integrated in better thermostat
Thank you for the excellent video, well done!! I am currently using the integrated thermostat card. I use it with a bluetooth sensor and then it triggers a space heater on a tuya plug. No real thermostat. Can I do that with this thermostat as well? This is in a cool van build and home assistant is wonderful!!! I also have outdoor sensors and door sensors, so utilizing this new BETTER thermostat would be fabulous!
If you have thermostat card with climate.xxx entity, you should be able to use it.
@@BeardedTinker What I use is the //generic thermostat card. It lets me specify the sensor blue tooth and the plug (in my case a tuya s31) it never actually acceses a thermostat.
Can I take a blue tooth entity and a switch entity and transform it into a climate.enitity?
Yes, there is generic thermostat integration. I think I featured it about 3 weeks ago in a video. It allows you to fake thermostat with temperature sensors and relay.
Thanks for the video! I configured my Nedis Thermostat to follow external temperature sensor with these instructions. Super useful!
Glad it helped - thanks for the comment Tommi!
Anyone knows how to adjust the range on set temperature on the gui ? The range on mine is set from 7 to 300 degrees celsius ? thanks
Range should be taken from device itself. If you go and look at device state in developer tools for TRV, do you see range there and does it have correct values. If it does, it's probably bug that you should report on GitHub.
@@BeardedTinker hello, yes I see it. I solved the problem by making a customize.yaml file and defined the min and max_temp value there. The default for me was set from 7 to 300...
Tnx anyways.
super nice! however with @7:04 in UK it would work.... 360 days/year ;-)))))
😂😂😂 well... That's why each country has it's own standards :) Ask my wife... In Winter +23 at home is cold and in summer +23 is just too hot :)
@@BeardedTinker so my wife is fitting in to this profile
Thank you for this video! It is extremely helpful. I would appreciate if you can also dive into the topic how to set the Schedule/Planer for the better thermostat up! 🤩
And what would be also extremely appreciated is how to make heating to turn on/off when somebody (or a specifies group of users) is or is not at home 🥰
hello is it possible to use a DHT-22 sensor?
For temperature sensor or to create Better thermostat entity? For first one to add as external temperature sensor - yes. But DHT22 is not very and precise sensor. To create better Thermostat you need climate entity.
@@BeardedTinker thanks for replying! This may be a dumb question, but how can i create a 'climate entity'?
Use Generic Thermostat card. I've shown it in a video 3-4 weeks ago when I've talked about heating - but not my setup.