"Ask Sequential" Episode 5: What’s the difference between the Prophet-6 and Prophet Rev2?
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- Welcome to Episode #5 of “Ask Sequential,” where we answer the question:
“What’s the difference between the Prophet-6 and Prophet Rev2?” Send your questions to www.sequential... and we’ll consider your submission for an answer!
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I really like this product specialist. He does such a great job in every video. Every time I watch him educating and demonstrating about these synthesizers I feel happy because he’s just as excited about them as I am
Im ultra happy with my Rev2. I use it like two seperate 8 voice synths, both with their own outputs, sequencers and effects. I don't think this aspect is acknowledged enough - its two synths! My patches mostly have two parts with sequences. Just add a drum machine and I have a full track going and can jam between the two parts starting and stopping sequences, adding extra lines played live on top as with 16 voices theres almost always extra polyphony. Its so damn stable as well, in that it just seems to work. Programming and assigning modulations is so much easier than ive had before. Excellent instrument - well done Sequential x
I'm pretty new to synths. I have a Ju06A right now which is the first synth I've ever bought. Would you say that the Rev 2 would be too complicated for someone who is generally new to synthesis? Or would it be doable for me to learn synthesis on the rev 2?
@@jgbpkoolguys
I've only had my Rev2 a month and it's one of the easiest synths to edit and understand thanks to the very logical layout. I do own many other synths but I would say that it's suitable for a novice...the fact that it sounds great is just a bonus! 😎👍🏻😁
I have them both and while I love the Rev2, the Prophet 6 is the most gorgeous-sounding synth I've ever played.
The diffetence between the two, is that one is a fresh cream cake, baked that day and has generous amounts of fresh fruit on top etc, and the other is also a cream cake, but has added ingredients so it can stored and transported more easily, keeping its flavour under the most undulating of circumstances.
I’m guessing by your awesome analogy, the prophet 6 is 100% natural no preservatives hahah!
This is an apt description. It really comes down to the filter IMO. The filter of the rev 2 just doesn't make me happy, like the 6's does.
I love my Rev 2. The Vox Humana patch is my favorite so far. And LosVangelis2041. And Morgoth's Boot. And, just about all of them really.
Yes LosVangelis is epic! Also my fav is probably Tangerine Arp.
I'm lucky enough to own both. The REV2 wins hands down for me. Much more versatile.
More versatile indeed, but soundwise the P6 is the winner. So warm, fat and punchy - the REV can’t compete.
@@BurkhardusX Dang it! I wish I knew the P6 was better BEFORE I sold it. Now I'm stuck with this crappy REV2! Oh well.
@@Paul-pc9qr I thought you own both? Now you tell you sold the P6?
@@BurkhardusX I did unfortunately. A lot can change in a year!
@@Paul-pc9qr Could you tell me the reason, why you sold the P6 and kept the REV2?
P6 is so much better. Have them both. P6 is the best synth i ever played. It feels and sounds like magic.
Thanks, Sequential! So lucky to own Prophet 6 ... It's magical 👍
2:40 Gerry Basserman Rev.2
Fabulous. I had my P6 since they came out. I’ve bought and got of 4 other synths since then inc a Sub37, Minimoog, Pro-2 and a Behringer Pro-1. But the Prophet 6 stays.
@Chris Trevanion What are your thoughts now?
I have 3 synthesizers on top of my wishlist. 3 of them are Sequential.
First OB-6, then Prophet 10, then Prophet 6. :)
Good Lord. That's like almost owning 3 of the same synths because the spillage of all 3 is not far off to the point where you'd be able to just mimic one or the other with probably just 2. That's a lot of money dude. God bless you with bro
@@mpmi7588 Recently been in a shop, it narrowed down to the P-10 & OB-6. Though I have time, already got wonderful synthesizers to play on! :)
@ghost mall yes it is
@@Jehudi I have the Prophet 6 and the Ob-6, they compliment each other wonderfully!
REV2 is not DCO like many synths in the sounds for sin, triangle etc are not high end samples ! Yes the Oscillators are on a chip with the rest of the circuit rather than the P5/P6 which are VCO and individual components, but the REV2 Source is analogue in terms of the source with digital control so they wont go out of tune (actually it takes 5 minutes to warm up and yes I have one !) It really should be called DCAO. on REV2 if you dont use the Digital FX its analog to the output. Just my two cents worth.
“Not high end samples” is dumb logic
@ghost mall yes but it confused against a dco on a DSP. Which is 100% digital as it's all software written on the digital signal processing chip, which is a type of CPU but built to do specific sound generating tasks very efficiently with its own special instruction set.
Great reviewer! 👍 Have subbed 😁
Great...now I want both! Crap! LOL
Prophet Rev2: PA397 IC's
Prophet 6: Semi-discrete (VCO's & discrete version of SSM2044). Hell froze over and they finally ran out of the PA397. I get it from a business perspective why they used it on most synths until they ran out - but I personally hated the sound. I'm now the happy owner of an OB-6 ;)
Hi Eric, we didn't run out, we just wanted to make some instruments with different tonal characteristics. Sounds like you found something you like, we're glad you're happy with the OB-6!
For us the acid junks Rev2 is a beast i think only ob6 is more 'mad' and angry. Rev2 looks better also. P6 is more for sound design. The rev2 has more 'freedom'
Got any tips for making acid sounds with the Rev2?
@@BellXllebMusic reso around 30. Stack patches a and b to give freedom to osc and sound more moogy. And the rest is your creativity. Have in mind rev2 is one of the brightest poly analog but dont see it as a - as it can create a 3d feeling on that bass. But some really hate its sound and i can understand it. You can slip away with massive acid sonic power on that erica db01 or a used acidlab bassline 3 and a delay/overdrive and call it a day.
@@raven-jz6cv Thanks for the tips! =)
I think the potential for pure evil the Rev2 can produce is underestimated. It gets so nasty when you want it to.
Can you please design a 12 slot “scene” box for the rev-2 so I can switch through presaved patches quickly in performance.
could anybody lend me a recommendation? Currently have a moog grandmother and a korg prologue 16, for me the korg is a little sterile and I want to trade it out for a either a prophet 6 or a rev 2. Still not really sure which to go with, I play the occasional gig but mostly am doing studio work with stuff in the vane of steven wilson/elp/genesis
@ghost mall I ended up getting a prophet for a good deal. Made a trade deal with my prologue and some unwanted gear and now have an Ernie ball cutlass. I want to try a p6 or p5 out soon. Owning a grandmother does have me curious with the matriarch and sub37. This is an expensive hobby . . .
Inexeperienced question coming... But please explain to me the difference between 2 osc vs 3. I think the rev 2 has 2 and the Prophet 6 has 3. What difference does this make (difference in actual sound, or programmability or both). The question originates from me wanting to distinguish between the rev 2/prophet 6 and the moog sub37/minimoog
@John Stephens thank you! That seems pretty standard? What difference does the 3 osc make for say a minimoog???
@John Stephens lol I see!!! Thank you, new to this whole analog thing and am learning. I have to check out the prophet 6 unison video now!!! 😄😄😄
No, the P6 don’t has 3 OSC. Both have 2 OSC. But the REV2 has DCOs while the P6 has VCOs. DCO means, the oscillator is digitally controlled, while the VCO is voltage controlled. The DCOs are inside an integrated circuit which combines digital and analogue elements. The VCOs are discrete circuits separated for each of the 6 voices. Therefore there is much more variance in the electrical parameters of the circuits, like capacity and resistance but even with that the sound of the P6 is very accurate, therefore you have a vintage mode that simulates more inaccuracies by adding randomness to all the parameters of a patch. Most Important for the sound is the difference of the filter. The REV2 has a Curtis filter while the P6 has another kind of filter which is much, much better sounding.
@@BurkhardusX thank you... Please hit me with a few examples of poly/mono synths with 3 vcos???
@@hamptondunson7297 Mono Synth: Sequential PRO3, Minimoog, Studio Electronics SE3X. Poly synthesizers I don’t know the Prophet 6 has two VCO and one sub oscillator, maybe you mean this by 3 oscillators.
Are OS updates with bug fixes still to be expected for Rev2?
are there bugs on it?
@ghost mall They've recently put out a bug fix for the firmware and basically declared it "finished". From what I read the developers did it in their spare time which I find a bit... weird :) but ok, I guess the worst bugs are fixed now so who am I to complain. I doubt there will be any more updates as they've repeatedly said there's no more available memory in the instrument to fix things or add features.
Selling my Rev2 as we speak in favour of the Prophet 6.. Some things just don't satisfy your needs expressively and the fact that the prophet is a musicians instruments as opposed to a more digital studio driven piece is why its double the price almost.
please elaborate!!
That’s so silly, man. Prophet Rev2 is just as, if not more than versatile than the P6. You can get both to sound very good or bad.
P6 is magic, so is the Rev2. My preference is and was the P6.. deal with it 😂😂
I was planning on doing the same thing for a while. But I'm glad I didn't.Instead I bought the P6 while keeping the Rev 2. While they do overlap, they really are different beasts in many ways. The Rev 2 can do things the P6 can't do and vice versa. The Rev 2 can do excellent sizzly and twnkly sounds which the P6 would have a hard time doing.But at the sametime the P6 has an inherent juicy and warm sound that the rev 2 would be hard pressed to replicate.
But if you'd go for just one for generaltasks, I'd still recommend the Rev 2, as it'sa more versatile synth. The P6 ismore of a synth for people who want that specific sound that it does so well.
Anyway choices choices eh?
I own a Rev 2 But I am finding it difficult to synchronise the arpeggiator to my d.a.w. ..the Rev 2 doesn't have. ""beat sync " only Arp beat quantiser which doesn't keep it on the beat... are they any workarounds for this why haven't they sorted this issue out my sub 37 beat sync is perfect?
Beat Sync has been a feature for a few OS versions now, please download the latest official OS from our website: www.sequential.com/updating-prophet-rev2-os/
Sequential no that is Arp beat sync which starts the arp on time but doesn't keep it in time until the next bar 🤔 that quantise the arp playing as described in the manual... has there been a recent os update? I spoke to sequential with this issue and they confirmed it and said they were not planning any OS as yet? Thanks Paul
Are the env analogue in thr P6 ?
H4NDCRAFTED no, they’re digital, which I think lends to the difference in sound between the Prophet 5 and 6.
How can I get the Prophet 08 presets loaded into my Rev2? Where can they be found?
If you go to the Sequential website, choose "Support" at the top of the page. Navigate to the Prophet '08 and choose "Download Sound Banks".
@@SequentialLLC Thanks for getting back to me. I did what you suggested and I'm wondering if there is any chance of over righting the presets that are already in the Rev 2. I bought it used with some presets that were added, but I don't care about those, just the original ones. Thanks again.
Hey sequential. Do you know how to get the mono evolver sequencer working? I think mine is broken
Hi Patrick, please contact our dedicated support channel: support (at) sequential.com. Thanks!
the signal path is completely analog. the synth is not completely analog. Pretty big difference and might be misleading for new synth enthusiasts.
Wouldn't the Rev2 be a "digital synth" because it has DCO's? I noticed you refer to both of them as analog... I dont understand what the qualifying factor is for a synth to be "analog".
Im new to this so this is pretty confusing.
The Rev2 is analog, because it has analog oscillators and an analog signal path. DCOs are analog oscillators, but they are "digitally controlled" for tuning stability. The oscillator itself, which is responsible for generating the audio, is analog. A digital oscillator would be a digital representation of a waveform.
@@SequentialLLC Ahaaa.. that makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain this, and such a quick response too. I recently bought a Rev2 and im loving every minute learning this instrument. So fascinating. I love all of the LFO's and Modulation capabilities! Thanks again!
The Prophet 6 has digital envelopes, right?
Yes. All our instruments have digital envelopes.
@ghost mall When we talk about "everything is analog", we are referring to the audio signal path specifically. That's the part that is generally referred to as analog or digital. So, in this case the signal path is 100% analog, which is where the sound/tone/character of the instrument comes from.
@@SequentialLLC Thanks! Has the Prophet 10 the same keybed as Prophet 6?
Well, sonically, the P6 wins here. But OB6 is my top choice.
I have been going back and forth for years, should have just bought both.
Isn't it all SMT? Not really built in a vintage way. It also looks like there are lots of ICs inside the Prophet 6 and OB 8 - are they just the same as ICs but custom designed rather than off the shelf? Looking at the ciricult boards they look pretty similar in terms of their make up and technology - not that I really know anything much about electronics. Also aren't the modulations digital on the Prophet 6?