If we can’t even trust journalists, how are we supposed to trust “game” journalists when they get paid by corporations to blatantly lie about bad games. This sucks
It's not even them lying that's the egregious part. It's the fact that barely any of them can play games. Not to mention that they rarely finish a game before writing a review for them because they incentivise being the first to create an article.
@@9308323 "I just stared at this picture of the main character for thirty minutes, it had some weird text like, "Play", "Multiplayer", "Settings", and "Exit"...I don't even know what those meant. I had to unplug my XBox to get rid of it, there wasn't even a game here. 0/10."
Know your source of information. The Kotaku/IGN/Gamespot reviews are more like an ad for the game. I dont trust them. Their porpose is to raise awareness, to let me know there is a new release, say Rocket League in 2015. Looked fun, 20$ on Steam, deal. A YTer can review the game and/or show you the first several hours. You buy the game, play it and compare your experience with his/her review. If these dont overlap or features turn out to be exagerated, look for a YTer who came to the same conclusions as you.
It is honestly a joke to even call game journalists journalists. Their heavy dependence on the companies they pretend to review undermines every principle of an independent journalist. This closer to chinese news companies than to actual journalism.
Game Jouranlists are essentially people with political or journalism majors who sucked so badly they couldn't become actual journalists but who had the right politics to work for biased gaming websites despite also sucking at video games.
I wonder how many actually studied journalism in college rather than something generic like "Communications" or something bat crazy like "Feminist Glaciology" (yes, that's real).
@@billsprestonesq.226 The problem is that journalism in college is feminist glaciology. I kid (sort of), but the glory days of American Journalism was much more blue collar and workmanlike in its approach (not ivory tower) ... journalism had an inherent contrarian relationship to power. Now, Journalism programs in the academy are bias/propaganda factories -- that have an intimate sempatico relationship to power. They run cover and massage narratives for the elite to manage the unwashed masses. 'journalistic integrity' is all but dead. Not only have the dropped the pretense of objectivity in the instruction, they're endowing their students with their own moral obligations.
@@Dragon_Lair I don't care about woke vs anti-woke culture wars. But this "modern audience" stuff never works out. Trying to please everyone and end up pleasing nobody.
Most journalists are. They're either just straight out puppets of private funders or companies, or they're "independents" who are puppets of hostile foreign governments.
I mean, they're also not journalists. It's just an arbitrary term they appropriated because they hired some of their friends who have opinionated blogs and decided to start a "journalism" outfit. These are not people who went to school for journalism. They're not people who have any bonafides or actual experience writing in a journalism field. They've never done investigative journalism or worked for a reputable publication, etc. Just because you say "Game Journalist" in your signature or bio doesn't mean you're a gamer...nor a journalist. So they're actually the worst kind of fake-journalist.
They're actually some of the _best_ journalists for the minimal harm they cause... and isn't _that_ a scary thought? I can't recall a time where a video games journalist covered for the Stalin purges like Walter Duranty, who holds a now-posthumous Pulitzer to this day.
@@gregowen2022 Too bad young people hear that and say, "They're right! We just haven't been giving them enough money and power!! ...No don't take my money. Take that from the rich. I earned my money."
Yeah we would be way better with out them. Like what did they ever do for anyone? Aside the roads that you use everyday to get places. Or the police that arrest criminals. Or the firefighters that save lives. Or the schools that taught you how to write that comment. Or the military that keeps you from having to learn Russian or Chinese. Or the science that brought you a ton of the everyday technology you take for granite, like the internet your posting on. Or the electricity that your computer runs on. Or the water that you drink. Or a million other things. But besides that stuff, what have they ever done?
I've worked as a game journalist for about 15 years. Granted, it was mostly small sites but the common factor was if you provide informative guides, news, previews, and reviews people will return to read more about your point of view. However, the landscape has changed. My realization of this was the Kotaku PS5 review. If I wrote something like that, I wouldn't have been told to rewrite the entire thing and would be less likely to receive future codes/products. This article carried that energy, demanding you give them the same admiration as someone buying a Game Informer copy in 1998. But that isn't how it works now, as you stated the market is large with many people providing opinions. To the point, gamers put more trust in Steam customer reviews. Because someone who put 120 hours into a game and took the time to write a negative review is much more credible. And who can blame them?
Trust is earned, not given. What has game journalists, or any journalists for that matter, done in recent memory to deserve my trust? Can't remember anything positive. I do remember being called racist, bigoted, sexist, blah blah blah.
Well to be fair there is James O'Keefe, Tucker Carlson, and Andy Ngo. Those are the only three journalists I can think of. In existence. Everyone else is pretty much a propagandist of some kind or another.
@@MamaMOB Some of the only journalists left worthy of the title. I don't envy them having to bear the burden of rebuilding a functioning, somewhat ethical news press.
"trust is earned"; well whoops, that's called merit that pretty much slams the door shut on most of these "journalists", game or political like garlic to a vampire
Way back in 90s era high school, I had a 'Journalism 101' section in some English class. One of the core rules given to us to be a proper journalist was, "Never make the article about yourself." This rule covered far more than the literal sense too. It applied to almost every level, from the prose itself, to avoiding inserting your personal opinions (i.e. striving for objectivity), to avoiding becoming the news yourself (such as violating the law in the pursuit of a story). It's become plainly clear over the years, that that rule is no longer taught or adhered to, for which this article is a blazing example.
"It's become plainly clear over the years, that that rule is no longer taught or adhered to" . Given the ever-sinking level of quality of our education system, it's probably not even taught anymore and hasn't been for years. . (That is not a dig at teachers so much as how little funding and focus our public school system gets, and how many teachers are forced to "teach to test" rather than to learn and think.)
I wanted to be a journalist back in the early 2000's when I was a little kid. Then they just got more disappointing and less respectable as I got older and the dream died.
Online "Journalism" solely exists because any shmuck can put up a website and call themselves a journalist without knowing about the core tenets and qualities that make actual journalism a respectable pursuit I've read schlocky printed tabloids that are better written than the objective agenda/opinion pieces that online nobodies try to pass off as "journalism" on the internet
I love how not only games, also movies and tv journalist lost all credibility because they were paid to praise bad games, and now they want the public to trust them? It would be funny if it wasn't so cringe XD
Right? They had no standards are real opinions for years, and we all left and they want to act confused? Pardon me while I sing Beyonce's "Irreplaceable"
I think that's a big part of it. With YT, especially, I don't need to read about a game, I can watch it and I can watch a person playing it to se how they really feel
Well take that all of those people with master's degrees from Ivy League Higher Learning Establishment in Architectural Observations via Interpretative Physical Movement.
@@gregowen2022 I prefer reading about it honestly. It's a lot easier to look at the described mechanics and a general plot summary without spoiling the experience. If I watch a full playthrough of a game, what's the point in playing anymore? There won't be any surprises and nothing I do in game is likely to change the story. The only time I can really think watching a playthrough would work is for Bethesda games where the main draw is the numerous side quests.
After five or six years of not watching certain TH-camrs, one day the YT algorithm did send me a video. I did not recognize the person in the caption for the video, but the name I did. I thought, "I wonder what J. S. Is doing these days?". "What happened to him in Mississippi?", I did think. 😮😮😂😂🤢🤮 He was NOT a handsome man, what made him think he would be MORE attractive otherwise? His "true self"? 🤢 As Benny Hill possibly would say, " My eyes! My eyes! "😂 Another one bites the dust.
Because calling them critics would be too generous. A critic looks at something with a critical and experienced eye then shares their findings so everyone else can decide if they'll like something. Game journalists don't look at games critically, they aren't experienced gamers, and they have no intention of letting the audience make their own decisions.
Because they are all journalism majors that could not get other jobs. So they went into gaming criticism because gaming is a huge industry, and has plenty of openings. Then they all just started calling themselves journalists because they want to sound important on a resume.
This article is a Looney Tunes rifle with a bend barrel and what publishing is in that analogy is easy to imagine. The only thing it did was remind the readers why they can't be trusted and it presented the author's bad character.
@@wingsoffreedom3589"Bruce? I trust him about as far as I can throw him. And since I'm Superman, that's reeeaaal far." "I'd trust Clark a lot more if he stopped talking about how far he can throw me."
Even independent reviewers who generally share my tastes in games don't have my "trust", never mind ones working for companies with a proven track record of hostility and dishonesty toward the consumer, the person they're supposed to be keeping informed
If you go and look at old newspapers they used to just be basically a listing of facts that took place. Now, that headline shows that journalists think they know everything infallibly, and they control what people think. Just state their raw idea, pompously support it with their assumptions, and call it a day. They’ve successfully shown us simpletons how smart they are and gave us our new belief. Unfortunately for them, we are more self aware than they are, so when we inevitably mock their nonsense, we are labeled as hateful and toxic, once again being subjected to their raw ideas devoid of any research or reflection and the cycle begins again.
Completely agree with you about Jim Sterling. His "Jimquizition" show was something I used to tune into every week. I can't seem to remember when the decline happened I just know he/she isn't what they used to be anymore...
Back then gaming journalism was needed, since there was no way to know what the game was about and its quality outside of commercials and your friends. Now gaming journalism is a bottom-of-the-barrel job, since you can ducksearch almost any game you want, watch gameplay/walkthroughs, see what people comment, video reviews. Gaming journalism was good because there was a demand. Now it's pointless, so it's filled with drama-seekers just to stay relevant.
When it comes to video game reviewers, I'm more trusting of gaming TH-camrs like Caddicarus and The Angry Video Game Nerd. Not people like the journalists at IGN and Kotaku.
I think GM/Ford pays Car & Driver and MotorTrend for good reviews and awards. I think Ubisoft/EA pays Kotaku and other Journos for good reviews and awards. Both situations are corrupt, but calling out corruption in gaming results in article after article claiming it's a conspiracy.
From the trusted writer of the articles on thegamer: "None Of You Understand What Localisation Is" "Please Shut Up About 40K's Female Custodes" His next article: "I just vomited, so you must eat it".
A video popped up in my feed a while back celebrating him hitting a subscriber milestone for the second time, but on the way down. Things have gotten very sad over there
They reap what they sow. A big article for me was when a journalist complained thar resident evil 2 remake was racist, because no person of color would feel safe going to a police station for safety during a zombie apocalypse, and the main characters didn't use the in game healing items to heal Marvin Branagh (the black cop) at the start of the game. It's ludicrous.
Hearing Jim Sterling's named dropped was a bit of a shock. The only thing worth watching on that channel anymore are the videos celebrating another hundred thousand subscribers lost since Jim brings on people who are somehow more unhinged than he is now. The Second Wind stream where Jim goes on about being pregnant is also great in a darkly humorous "I'm not really doing a bit" sort of way. Yahtzee's reaction is priceless.
Absolutely any company that is rude to the paying customer in sweeping terms deserves failure. Why would I pay someone to insult me when there are alternatives?
god if your commentary is good. keep up the amazing work. and yeah, what happened to jim sterling was really sad. he went from one of the best video game critics in english by a mile to... whatever garbage he is doing now. I was an avid viewer up to the point where he changed the suit from black with red to w/e color I dont remember and I sniffed the change of priorities and narrative from half of the world away.
It's really sad that back in the days of publications like Nintendo Power, game journalists were usually fans of video games and the culture. But as we've seen, many of them reported having to change their careers due to being pushed out of the industry by modern game journalists backed by large media companies. I'd be happy to see some kind of shift or reset happen so that true fans can get a chance to write about what they love once more.
Joe Vargas of the AngryJoeShow and I don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, but his incredible devotion to his own TH-cam channel and his unwavering sense of identity have kept me watching his video game reviews, angry rants, and news videos for over a decade. I watch him now more for comfort and familiarity than anything else, but I would still trust his opinion on the video game industry over any of these game "journalists" who write like petulant brats. Also, your criticism of Jim Sterling has earned my subscription
I really don't think gaming journalism is viable I've been playing video games all my life, and I've probably ran into two people who actually read anything about video games. Most people just play them if they look cool
There was once a time when Journalism was a respectable career (no seriously kids, bear with me on this) when the title of that article would've been "It's Time for Video Game Reviewers to Become More Trustworthy" followed by a logical breakdown of how it's the reviewers' fault for losing the readers' trust ...and then probably a Come to Jesus moment.
I remember every kid in school buying those game magazines and bringing them, and we'd talk about what was coming out and what to expect, and it was so much fun. Though I'd argue that even back then they were starting to lose their quality, but it wasn't absolute shit yet.
My brother and I were just talking about this exact topic earlier today and came to the exact same conclusions. Have some well-earned engagement, fellow gamer, and play on.
The issue with games journalists is that university molded their worldview and they are incapable of questioning that. I went to college for six years and it was the best time of my life, spending all night browsing jstor for research to compare and perhaps cite was amazing! But my humanities and literature classes did not shape my outlook on the world and society.
Bruh the Jim Sterling comment takes me BACK. I never watched much of Jim himself, but I watched the crap out of Totalbiscuit and co back in the day, so I know him by proxy. And I was already in nostalgia mode because you brought up Erik Kain, and I only know him because of the Co-optional podcast. Because of that appearance, and the fact that he has generally decent takes, I've always found him to be pretty respectable. Tassi makes him look bad
Obviously I enjoy your movie and show reviews, but another creator I really like is Filmento because he breaks down the story structure to explain why a movie did or did not resonate with audiences. Smart, funny, well edited... You'd like it.
I'm loving the Hurley logic textbook! Wasn't expecting to see that in this video. :) By the way, there is an approach to education, called the classical school or classical education movement, that typically includes two to three years of logic from about 7th grade through 9th or 10th grade. There are a lot of classical schools around the country, and various classical homeschooling organizations as well.
Classical Conversations sounds so cool! I was always nervous to take the plunge, because the way they pitch it, you don't see the "results" until the second phase (dialectic phase?) and that always made me so nervous. I love the program and the theory, but it feels like such a gamble. But they say that's how things were done before modern school, and we saw good results, so....
@@gregowen2022 That might just be the pitch. It isn't clear to me how different they are from other approaches in the K-4 range, other than an emphasis on training memory (which I have found to be really effective -- my kids are in CC right now, and their memory abilities blow me away). It is just that all the really interesting stuff happens in 7-12 (logic, great texts, etc.), which stands to reason, because that's when kids start being able to take on more difficult things. I have decided that Classical Conversations' reading lists at the high school level need a bit of supplementation to be a really satisfying classical "great books" reading list. I recommend finding a reading list on a website of a classical school, and adding some of those readings into the summer as a supplement -- that's what we are planning. But I love the integration of logic, for sure. (I'm a college philosophy professor, and teach logic, among other things.) I tend to think the classical schools are a bit better than CC, though of course you are paying for the privilege. :)
I do Classical Conversations. But we're still in the first stage (oldest just finished her 2nd year) so I understand the concern. I've seen a couple of the high school kids and they are impressive, but they might just be the exemplars and not the norm. Still, modern methods don't seem to be doing a great job...
Truth bomb about these unhinged journalists needing therapy sessions. The problem is if they did find a good therapists who was trying to help them come to the realization of were the actual problem lies, they would then label them a hack and continue on with their insane ramblings. I'm the kind of person who doesn't mind listening to someone's problems and offering a solution. However, I am not the kind of person who will give you a clear answer and keep listening to your problems when you clearly don't want to change and want to play victim all the time.
Anyone remember Mel Brooks History of the World part 1? The scenes of the king in that are a near perfect presentation of how gaming journos come of to me.
You had me laughing at the title of the article, but when you start using logical fallacies my excitement reaches unhealthy levels. If I had more likes to give I absolutely would. What a wonderful video.
Well deserved. I couldn't imagine how this article came to be, because it looks like it was supposed to be an appeal to try and win back the audience's trust perhaps ? But it was written and approved in an echochamber of wackos and came out no better than any of those reviews. I'm glad it had the opposite effect.
The bonus with yourube reviewers, is we CAN learn what they actually like to play and their personality. I, too, go to several channels to get my reviews. I have people I trust in various genres like RPGs, fighting games, shmups, strategy games, etc. We really can't tell who the person is behind an article anymore or whether they are paid to write a good/bad article, especially when they turn off comments on articles.
Heartily agree with choose a reviewer that share the same taste in media as you do. Besides that, I only expect from a professional reviewer to have the necessary vocabulary/experience/knowledge to express as well a possible the game pros and cons. For that, thank you sir.
Just found this channel and I am already a fan. I always love finding new content creators with critical thinking skills that can look at a subject from diff angles and come to a logical fact based conclusion. Far to many people are just going off emotion and personal biases. I also agree they should be teaching these skills in High School. Why aren't they? Weird.
Love the use of logical fallacy ref memes, those are some of my favorites at quick, simple explanations for why some internet debate is a waste of time. They really should cover logic and logical fallacies far more in depth in high school like you said.
I used to take big publication game reviewer feedback into account in the past. Of course that's when a lot of reviewers focused on the game mechanics and how well they were implemented in determining it's quality. A lot harder to take the reviews of major publications seriously know when a paragraph or two is actually about the gameplay and the rest of the article is about the politics the game does or doesn't implement into it. There should never be more than a 0% chance in my racing game review that I might learn about which political party the lead programmer donated money to.
Greg, you are a saint. Keep preaching and never change. Also, everyone: please stop calling these dweebs "journalists." They are dweebs who put some words together.
Thank you for bringing up the relationship between game mechanics and difficulty. This is exactly why I enjoy harder or hardest difficulty settings, because you are required to use all the tools of the game. DOOM (2016) and DOOM Eternal are perfect examples of this. There are an intense amount of tools between, guns, grenade types, power ups, glory kills, blood punch, dashes, the sword you get. On normal you don't need to consider any of them. My friend literally played the full game just using the chain gun and never engaging with any of the tools. But play it on Nightmare and if you don't use all the tools you have no chance. The real DOOM experience is playing on Nightmare.
The dude at Bellular is a real dude. He put out a video a few weeks ago apologizing to his viewers for an inaccuracy in the information they shared in their previous video at the time. That dude genuinely cares about games, his work, journalism and journalistic integrity, and gamers. Rare breed these days. Cant say enough good things about what they do over there
'We don't hate games, we hate the people who play them.'
Yeah, that's why we don't trust you.
“And those games need to change.” Sure you like games.
@@jmass4207Fax
Put some respect on them.
@@MatthewMoreau I respect their layoffs 😂
@@ricardohoang8452 The journalists?
If we can’t even trust journalists, how are we supposed to trust “game” journalists when they get paid by corporations to blatantly lie about bad games. This sucks
It's not even them lying that's the egregious part. It's the fact that barely any of them can play games. Not to mention that they rarely finish a game before writing a review for them because they incentivise being the first to create an article.
@@9308323 "I just stared at this picture of the main character for thirty minutes, it had some weird text like, "Play", "Multiplayer", "Settings", and "Exit"...I don't even know what those meant. I had to unplug my XBox to get rid of it, there wasn't even a game here. 0/10."
Know your source of information. The Kotaku/IGN/Gamespot reviews are more like an ad for the game. I dont trust them. Their porpose is to raise awareness, to let me know there is a new release, say Rocket League in 2015. Looked fun, 20$ on Steam, deal. A YTer can review the game and/or show you the first several hours. You buy the game, play it and compare your experience with his/her review. If these dont overlap or features turn out to be exagerated, look for a YTer who came to the same conclusions as you.
It is honestly a joke to even call game journalists journalists. Their heavy dependence on the companies they pretend to review undermines every principle of an independent journalist. This closer to chinese news companies than to actual journalism.
@@SDKSeizOKotaku also just blatantly lies to fit their political agenda. It's barely even a website about gaming anymore-- it's just about politics
Game Jouranlists are essentially people with political or journalism majors who sucked so badly they couldn't become actual journalists but who had the right politics to work for biased gaming websites despite also sucking at video games.
That's about how it seems. The articles barley qualify as journalism, as well. Mostly, they are game ads written like an article
@@gregowen2022 That's because most of the "gaming journalists" are (at best!) re-wording press releases from the publishers.
This is accurate for almost all journalists. But yes... doubly so for games journalists.
I wonder how many actually studied journalism in college rather than something generic like "Communications" or something bat crazy like "Feminist Glaciology" (yes, that's real).
@@billsprestonesq.226 The problem is that journalism in college is feminist glaciology. I kid (sort of), but the glory days of American Journalism was much more blue collar and workmanlike in its approach (not ivory tower) ... journalism had an inherent contrarian relationship to power. Now, Journalism programs in the academy are bias/propaganda factories -- that have an intimate sempatico relationship to power. They run cover and massage narratives for the elite to manage the unwashed masses. 'journalistic integrity' is all but dead. Not only have the dropped the pretense of objectivity in the instruction, they're endowing their students with their own moral obligations.
"Gamers are Dead, Gamers dont have to be your audience."
I still remember when they wrote that. They never apologized. They made their bed.
Now they complain that gamers don't trust them. Why would they care if they don't need us?
That's.... Just stupid. That's your core fan base.
@@zionleach3001Yup. But journalists, Hollywood and AAA publishers/developers drank the kool aid about appealing to the fictional modern audience.
@@Dragon_Lair I don't care about woke vs anti-woke culture wars. But this "modern audience" stuff never works out. Trying to please everyone and end up pleasing nobody.
Do not forget.
Do not forgive.
*LET NONE ESCAPE.*
Game journalists are some of the worst kinds of journalists.
I never thought sports journos would get dethroned for the distinction, and yet, here we are.
Most journalists are. They're either just straight out puppets of private funders or companies, or they're "independents" who are puppets of hostile foreign governments.
When I watch Green Street Houligans for the first time, I didnt get why they hated "journos" so much, now... now I get it.
I mean, they're also not journalists. It's just an arbitrary term they appropriated because they hired some of their friends who have opinionated blogs and decided to start a "journalism" outfit. These are not people who went to school for journalism. They're not people who have any bonafides or actual experience writing in a journalism field. They've never done investigative journalism or worked for a reputable publication, etc. Just because you say "Game Journalist" in your signature or bio doesn't mean you're a gamer...nor a journalist. So they're actually the worst kind of fake-journalist.
They're actually some of the _best_ journalists for the minimal harm they cause... and isn't _that_ a scary thought? I can't recall a time where a video games journalist covered for the Stalin purges like Walter Duranty, who holds a now-posthumous Pulitzer to this day.
The fact that they needed to make this article means we're winning. Give them no quarter!
Smell that? That's the scent of victory.
@@Xbalanque84smells like 'gaming' journalists shitting their pants
"Find someone who aligns with you." -- Kotaku
"Ok." -- Gamers, leaving IGN and Kotaku in droves.
I’ve blocked Kotaku.
Chesterton's fence: before you start trusting game journalists, consider why people stopped trusting them in the first place.
GamerGate demanded ethics in video game journalism, and in response the journalists demonized their critics.
But doing that would only foster further distrust of these designated tone-setters...
Entertainment equivalent of the government saying, we need to trust the government.
100%. "We failed to serve you for years, but you seriously need us, you just don't get it". Ok, sure thing
@@gregowen2022 Too bad young people hear that and say, "They're right! We just haven't been giving them enough money and power!! ...No don't take my money. Take that from the rich. I earned my money."
And yet people praised the Pentagon over the "Tic Tac" ufo footage.
It's more like "Trust anything that suits my views."
Yeah we would be way better with out them. Like what did they ever do for anyone? Aside the roads that you use everyday to get places. Or the police that arrest criminals. Or the firefighters that save lives. Or the schools that taught you how to write that comment. Or the military that keeps you from having to learn Russian or Chinese. Or the science that brought you a ton of the everyday technology you take for granite, like the internet your posting on. Or the electricity that your computer runs on. Or the water that you drink. Or a million other things. But besides that stuff, what have they ever done?
@@DSzaks 0/10 take. Most of those things are done at the state level and/or done by private companies hired by the government.
I've worked as a game journalist for about 15 years. Granted, it was mostly small sites but the common factor was if you provide informative guides, news, previews, and reviews people will return to read more about your point of view. However, the landscape has changed. My realization of this was the Kotaku PS5 review. If I wrote something like that, I wouldn't have been told to rewrite the entire thing and would be less likely to receive future codes/products.
This article carried that energy, demanding you give them the same admiration as someone buying a Game Informer copy in 1998. But that isn't how it works now, as you stated the market is large with many people providing opinions. To the point, gamers put more trust in Steam customer reviews. Because someone who put 120 hours into a game and took the time to write a negative review is much more credible. And who can blame them?
Trust is earned, not given. What has game journalists, or any journalists for that matter, done in recent memory to deserve my trust? Can't remember anything positive. I do remember being called racist, bigoted, sexist, blah blah blah.
Well to be fair there is James O'Keefe, Tucker Carlson, and Andy Ngo. Those are the only three journalists I can think of. In existence. Everyone else is pretty much a propagandist of some kind or another.
I'm guessing Bellingcat is part of the "Do Not Trust Journalists" list
Do not forget.
Do not forgive.
*LET NONE ESCAPE.*
@@MamaMOB
Some of the only journalists left worthy of the title. I don't envy them having to bear the burden of rebuilding a functioning, somewhat ethical news press.
"trust is earned"; well whoops, that's called merit
that pretty much slams the door shut on most of these "journalists", game or political
like garlic to a vampire
Way back in 90s era high school, I had a 'Journalism 101' section in some English class. One of the core rules given to us to be a proper journalist was, "Never make the article about yourself." This rule covered far more than the literal sense too. It applied to almost every level, from the prose itself, to avoiding inserting your personal opinions (i.e. striving for objectivity), to avoiding becoming the news yourself (such as violating the law in the pursuit of a story). It's become plainly clear over the years, that that rule is no longer taught or adhered to, for which this article is a blazing example.
"It's become plainly clear over the years, that that rule is no longer taught or adhered to"
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Given the ever-sinking level of quality of our education system, it's probably not even taught anymore and hasn't been for years.
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(That is not a dig at teachers so much as how little funding and focus our public school system gets, and how many teachers are forced to "teach to test" rather than to learn and think.)
I wanted to be a journalist back in the early 2000's when I was a little kid. Then they just got more disappointing and less respectable as I got older and the dream died.
Online "Journalism" solely exists because any shmuck can put up a website and call themselves a journalist without knowing about the core tenets and qualities that make actual journalism a respectable pursuit
I've read schlocky printed tabloids that are better written than the objective agenda/opinion pieces that online nobodies try to pass off as "journalism" on the internet
I love how not only games, also movies and tv journalist lost all credibility because they were paid to praise bad games, and now they want the public to trust them? It would be funny if it wasn't so cringe XD
Right? They had no standards are real opinions for years, and we all left and they want to act confused? Pardon me while I sing Beyonce's "Irreplaceable"
Became propagandist and activists.
Lion insists that gazelles should form an orderly queue to be eaten, gazelles remain skeptical
They managed to write an article that proves why we should not trust them.
_"STOP RESISTING, YOU PEASANTS!"_
This game journalist is like with Jeb Bush going, "Please clap" with the "Please trust us".
'Writing about gaming is like dancing about architecture'.
I think that's a big part of it. With YT, especially, I don't need to read about a game, I can watch it and I can watch a person playing it to se how they really feel
Well take that all of those people with master's degrees from Ivy League Higher Learning Establishment in Architectural Observations via Interpretative Physical Movement.
@@gregowen2022 I prefer reading about it honestly. It's a lot easier to look at the described mechanics and a general plot summary without spoiling the experience. If I watch a full playthrough of a game, what's the point in playing anymore? There won't be any surprises and nothing I do in game is likely to change the story. The only time I can really think watching a playthrough would work is for Bethesda games where the main draw is the numerous side quests.
What an ironic statement lol
"You have to be really, really into it to be able to pull it off."
what a great advice - trust strangers who's interests have nothing to do with your well being.
"Why would I want to be insulted?"
Me, with SW and Wheel of Time in the "modern" era.
Damn, they went full Blizzard: "We investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing. Trust us."
Someone is dated about 6 years
You got me on that Pro TH-camr move, I mean I usually dont see it coming.
Then you hit me with the fanfare at the end. Damnit.
One of the best sounds of all time!
@@gregowen2022 don't make me get an alt account just to sub to you twice bruh
Man, Jim Sterling really did go insane, didn’t he?
After five or six years of not watching certain TH-camrs, one day the YT algorithm did send me a video. I did not recognize the person in the caption for the video, but the name I did. I thought, "I wonder what J. S. Is doing these days?". "What happened to him in Mississippi?", I did think. 😮😮😂😂🤢🤮 He was NOT a handsome man, what made him think he would be MORE attractive otherwise? His "true self"? 🤢 As Benny Hill possibly would say, " My eyes! My eyes! "😂 Another one bites the dust.
Substance of article: trust me, bro.
Evidence: ...trust me, bro.
Jim Sterling..... now that is a name I have not heard in a long time.... long time.
Why do we have food critics and movie critics, but game journalists?
Because calling them critics would be too generous. A critic looks at something with a critical and experienced eye then shares their findings so everyone else can decide if they'll like something. Game journalists don't look at games critically, they aren't experienced gamers, and they have no intention of letting the audience make their own decisions.
Because they can’t cut it at even that.
Because they are all journalism majors that could not get other jobs. So they went into gaming criticism because gaming is a huge industry, and has plenty of openings. Then they all just started calling themselves journalists because they want to sound important on a resume.
They call themselves game journalists. The phrase caught on, is all.
There are video game critics. They’re just mostly independent
This article is a Looney Tunes rifle with a bend barrel and what publishing is in that analogy is easy to imagine.
The only thing it did was remind the readers why they can't be trusted and it presented the author's bad character.
I trust game journalists as far as I can throw them... and since they're anonymous people on the internet I can't throw them.
I bet superman never uses that phrase
@@wingsoffreedom3589"Bruce? I trust him about as far as I can throw him. And since I'm Superman, that's reeeaaal far."
"I'd trust Clark a lot more if he stopped talking about how far he can throw me."
@@thegodofalldragons hahahaha now I want that in a scene that was perfect
How many of those do you think are bots/AI?
@@thegodofalldragons
But those comments give Bruce forewarning and time to develop contingencies for such an event :3
Even independent reviewers who generally share my tastes in games don't have my "trust", never mind ones working for companies with a proven track record of hostility and dishonesty toward the consumer, the person they're supposed to be keeping informed
I wonder if these games journalists have ever considered conducting themselves in a manner that's worthy of trust...
the jim sterling show story hits home. he had some fun stuff on the escapist
Yeah, and I'll trust gravity being able to catch me falling off from a 10 story building.
"In Minecraft."
I used to love video game magazines. I guess that era was long died.
God, I liked Jim Sterling too.. Then Jim went way too crazy
I had about a 10 year break in watching Jim sterling reviews. I thought I was being trolled.
If you go and look at old newspapers they used to just be basically a listing of facts that took place. Now, that headline shows that journalists think they know everything infallibly, and they control what people think. Just state their raw idea, pompously support it with their assumptions, and call it a day. They’ve successfully shown us simpletons how smart they are and gave us our new belief. Unfortunately for them, we are more self aware than they are, so when we inevitably mock their nonsense, we are labeled as hateful and toxic, once again being subjected to their raw ideas devoid of any research or reflection and the cycle begins again.
Completely agree with you about Jim Sterling. His "Jimquizition" show was something I used to tune into every week. I can't seem to remember when the decline happened I just know he/she isn't what they used to be anymore...
He dove headfirst into the mind virus of progressive leftism.
Back then gaming journalism was needed, since there was no way to know what the game was about and its quality outside of commercials and your friends. Now gaming journalism is a bottom-of-the-barrel job, since you can ducksearch almost any game you want, watch gameplay/walkthroughs, see what people comment, video reviews. Gaming journalism was good because there was a demand. Now it's pointless, so it's filled with drama-seekers just to stay relevant.
When it comes to video game reviewers, I'm more trusting of gaming TH-camrs like Caddicarus and The Angry Video Game Nerd. Not people like the journalists at IGN and Kotaku.
Agreed. They are much more personable and you get to know their style. It's not some paid access media channel giving a 7 to everything like IGN, lol
Met AVGN, he was cool.
The fact that a dude, who shit on Bugs Bunny's face during a game review, is more trustworthy that almost any journalist, really says a lot.
@jeremyusreevu237
AVGN's old stuff is Great!! But then I saw that recent video about the weird horse prince mobile game... Just... why?!?
Jim sterling used to be a good consumer advocate, bizarre is a good way to describe where he went
They still hate capitalism for what it does to the people. Thats called being a consumer advocate. Or you really havent watched his videos in years
@@sambonbon755 like I said I stopped when he went bizarre and the communist gobbledygook started.
@@sambonbon755Even a Jim Sterling fan couldn't keep his pronouns consistent
@@sambonbon755 Forgive me if I fail to pay much attention to a fat man in a dress who screams at people on twitter.
You can't get a better game reviewer than Dunkey. Even if his reviews make no sense, I always know if I want to play it.
I think GM/Ford pays Car & Driver and MotorTrend for good reviews and awards.
I think Ubisoft/EA pays Kotaku and other Journos for good reviews and awards.
Both situations are corrupt, but calling out corruption in gaming results in article after article claiming it's a conspiracy.
From the trusted writer of the articles on thegamer:
"None Of You Understand What Localisation Is"
"Please Shut Up About 40K's Female Custodes"
His next article: "I just vomited, so you must eat it".
I FELT that Jim Sterling call out! I had the same thoughts.
A video popped up in my feed a while back celebrating him hitting a subscriber milestone for the second time, but on the way down. Things have gotten very sad over there
Yeah, blindly trust jouralists. Cause that totally hasn't or won't ever backfire. Really.
"In the cup is an Americano because in the States we prefer quantity". Throwaway deadpan comedy gold.
Dear Game Journalists, we want to read an actual journalistic game articles. NOT your damn DIARY !!
"Find reviewers that you trust"
Hey hey people.
W comment 😂😂
They reap what they sow. A big article for me was when a journalist complained thar resident evil 2 remake was racist, because no person of color would feel safe going to a police station for safety during a zombie apocalypse, and the main characters didn't use the in game healing items to heal Marvin Branagh (the black cop) at the start of the game. It's ludicrous.
Hearing Jim Sterling's named dropped was a bit of a shock.
The only thing worth watching on that channel anymore are the videos celebrating another hundred thousand subscribers lost since Jim brings on people who are somehow more unhinged than he is now.
The Second Wind stream where Jim goes on about being pregnant is also great in a darkly humorous "I'm not really doing a bit" sort of way. Yahtzee's reaction is priceless.
I haven't trusted game journos since I was a teenager reading my EGM magazines.
One day you realize that they are just an advertising wing and you never look back
Loved my old EGM mags.
Lost trust in all gaming after reading a stellar review of the first Matrix game
Absolutely any company that is rude to the paying customer in sweeping terms deserves failure. Why would I pay someone to insult me when there are alternatives?
god if your commentary is good. keep up the amazing work.
and yeah, what happened to jim sterling was really sad. he went from one of the best video game critics in english by a mile to... whatever garbage he is doing now. I was an avid viewer up to the point where he changed the suit from black with red to w/e color I dont remember and I sniffed the change of priorities and narrative from half of the world away.
It's really sad that back in the days of publications like Nintendo Power, game journalists were usually fans of video games and the culture. But as we've seen, many of them reported having to change their careers due to being pushed out of the industry by modern game journalists backed by large media companies. I'd be happy to see some kind of shift or reset happen so that true fans can get a chance to write about what they love once more.
Joe Vargas of the AngryJoeShow and I don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, but his incredible devotion to his own TH-cam channel and his unwavering sense of identity have kept me watching his video game reviews, angry rants, and news videos for over a decade. I watch him now more for comfort and familiarity than anything else, but I would still trust his opinion on the video game industry over any of these game "journalists" who write like petulant brats.
Also, your criticism of Jim Sterling has earned my subscription
Nope!! I can see them gaslighting from 1000 miles away! Literally!! Hello from India!!
I really don't think gaming journalism is viable I've been playing video games all my life, and I've probably ran into two people who actually read anything about video games. Most people just play them if they look cool
Agreed. They haven't made themselves beneficial to the customer, so now there are hardly any customers. Not surprising, really
"Time to bow to the new reptile overlords, says Reptile Overlord. Story at 7."
Every time I use the toilet I look down afterwards to check that there's not any Alyssa Mercante stains on the inside of the bowl.
There was once a time when Journalism was a respectable career (no seriously kids, bear with me on this) when the title of that article would've been "It's Time for Video Game Reviewers to Become More Trustworthy" followed by a logical breakdown of how it's the reviewers' fault for losing the readers' trust ...and then probably a Come to Jesus moment.
I remember every kid in school buying those game magazines and bringing them, and we'd talk about what was coming out and what to expect, and it was so much fun. Though I'd argue that even back then they were starting to lose their quality, but it wasn't absolute shit yet.
Are you a doughebag?
Show me a completely unbiased journalist who is actually doing their job instead of being a biased activist and I'll respect them.
My brother and I were just talking about this exact topic earlier today and came to the exact same conclusions. Have some well-earned engagement, fellow gamer, and play on.
I appreciate that very much!
The issue with games journalists is that university molded their worldview and they are incapable of questioning that. I went to college for six years and it was the best time of my life, spending all night browsing jstor for research to compare and perhaps cite was amazing! But my humanities and literature classes did not shape my outlook on the world and society.
Bruh the Jim Sterling comment takes me BACK. I never watched much of Jim himself, but I watched the crap out of Totalbiscuit and co back in the day, so I know him by proxy. And I was already in nostalgia mode because you brought up Erik Kain, and I only know him because of the Co-optional podcast. Because of that appearance, and the fact that he has generally decent takes, I've always found him to be pretty respectable. Tassi makes him look bad
I can't even remember the last time I read/watched a review of anything in the mainstream media.
Trust, like respect, is earned and not given. They have done nothing but insult gamers for the last 12+ years straight.
Only modern journalists can come up with the headline equivalent of Jeb Bush's "please clap".
Obviously I enjoy your movie and show reviews, but another creator I really like is Filmento because he breaks down the story structure to explain why a movie did or did not resonate with audiences. Smart, funny, well edited... You'd like it.
I'm a cnc machinist with a family. I'm just here to spectate the drama. And i like the way you articulate and present your opinions. Subscribbled🤙
Game journalists act like they’re Woodward or Bernstein or Hunter S. Thompson or Matt Taibbi. It’s so funny.
Can replace "game" journalism with any other media...and the same is true. Moved on, don't trust, not my people, not my tastes. Went to YT.
the critical drinker "anyways, go away now"
SkillUp is where you get gaming news. That is all.
I'm loving the Hurley logic textbook! Wasn't expecting to see that in this video. :)
By the way, there is an approach to education, called the classical school or classical education movement, that typically includes two to three years of logic from about 7th grade through 9th or 10th grade. There are a lot of classical schools around the country, and various classical homeschooling organizations as well.
Classical Conversations sounds so cool! I was always nervous to take the plunge, because the way they pitch it, you don't see the "results" until the second phase (dialectic phase?) and that always made me so nervous. I love the program and the theory, but it feels like such a gamble. But they say that's how things were done before modern school, and we saw good results, so....
@@gregowen2022 That might just be the pitch. It isn't clear to me how different they are from other approaches in the K-4 range, other than an emphasis on training memory (which I have found to be really effective -- my kids are in CC right now, and their memory abilities blow me away). It is just that all the really interesting stuff happens in 7-12 (logic, great texts, etc.), which stands to reason, because that's when kids start being able to take on more difficult things.
I have decided that Classical Conversations' reading lists at the high school level need a bit of supplementation to be a really satisfying classical "great books" reading list. I recommend finding a reading list on a website of a classical school, and adding some of those readings into the summer as a supplement -- that's what we are planning. But I love the integration of logic, for sure. (I'm a college philosophy professor, and teach logic, among other things.) I tend to think the classical schools are a bit better than CC, though of course you are paying for the privilege. :)
I do Classical Conversations. But we're still in the first stage (oldest just finished her 2nd year) so I understand the concern. I've seen a couple of the high school kids and they are impressive, but they might just be the exemplars and not the norm. Still, modern methods don't seem to be doing a great job...
Truth bomb about these unhinged journalists needing therapy sessions. The problem is if they did find a good therapists who was trying to help them come to the realization of were the actual problem lies, they would then label them a hack and continue on with their insane ramblings.
I'm the kind of person who doesn't mind listening to someone's problems and offering a solution. However, I am not the kind of person who will give you a clear answer and keep listening to your problems when you clearly don't want to change and want to play victim all the time.
Anyone remember Mel Brooks History of the World part 1? The scenes of the king in that are a near perfect presentation of how gaming journos come of to me.
"Trust no one."
-the X-Files
"Put no faith in a brother. Have no friend. And trust no woman."
- the Ten Commandments (film)
"D.T.A. Don't trust anyone" - Stone Cold Steve Austin
You had me laughing at the title of the article, but when you start using logical fallacies my excitement reaches unhealthy levels. If I had more likes to give I absolutely would. What a wonderful video.
The journalists were given custom cheat sheets by the devs with specific item locations and builds to use against bosses.
The way that like button started shining ✨️
Pro youtube indeed
Well deserved. I couldn't imagine how this article came to be, because it looks like it was supposed to be an appeal to try and win back the audience's trust perhaps ? But it was written and approved in an echochamber of wackos and came out no better than any of those reviews. I'm glad it had the opposite effect.
The bonus with yourube reviewers, is we CAN learn what they actually like to play and their personality. I, too, go to several channels to get my reviews. I have people I trust in various genres like RPGs, fighting games, shmups, strategy games, etc.
We really can't tell who the person is behind an article anymore or whether they are paid to write a good/bad article, especially when they turn off comments on articles.
Heartily agree with choose a reviewer that share the same taste in media as you do. Besides that, I only expect from a professional reviewer to have the necessary vocabulary/experience/knowledge to express as well a possible the game pros and cons. For that, thank you sir.
Your request to start trusting video game reviewers has been DENIED.
Wow, that "journalist" really wrote that article? Wow. WOW.
Just found this channel and I am already a fan. I always love finding new content creators with critical thinking skills that can look at a subject from diff angles and come to a logical fact based conclusion. Far to many people are just going off emotion and personal biases. I also agree they should be teaching these skills in High School. Why aren't they? Weird.
Love the use of logical fallacy ref memes, those are some of my favorites at quick, simple explanations for why some internet debate is a waste of time. They really should cover logic and logical fallacies far more in depth in high school like you said.
I used to take big publication game reviewer feedback into account in the past. Of course that's when a lot of reviewers focused on the game mechanics and how well they were implemented in determining it's quality. A lot harder to take the reviews of major publications seriously know when a paragraph or two is actually about the gameplay and the rest of the article is about the politics the game does or doesn't implement into it. There should never be more than a 0% chance in my racing game review that I might learn about which political party the lead programmer donated money to.
"Trusssst in meeeee" 🐍
Oh my God. I smell Jungle Book here. 😂
This article in TheGamer just reflects how a lot of journalist nowadays think.
Trust is hard to earn again once lost
Great stuff! Nailed it!
You put all of my thoughts in an extremely eloquent way, A+ as usual
They never should have existed in the first place. Even in good conditions, they add no value.
The voices in my head give the best game reviews.
Thank you for mentioning Erik Kain, I've always found his reviews to be honest and to the point. And yes, the less said about Paul, the better.
Greg, you are a saint. Keep preaching and never change.
Also, everyone: please stop calling these dweebs "journalists." They are dweebs who put some words together.
Thank you for bringing up the relationship between game mechanics and difficulty. This is exactly why I enjoy harder or hardest difficulty settings, because you are required to use all the tools of the game. DOOM (2016) and DOOM Eternal are perfect examples of this. There are an intense amount of tools between, guns, grenade types, power ups, glory kills, blood punch, dashes, the sword you get. On normal you don't need to consider any of them. My friend literally played the full game just using the chain gun and never engaging with any of the tools. But play it on Nightmare and if you don't use all the tools you have no chance. The real DOOM experience is playing on Nightmare.
Yet another reason that I appreciated being homeschooled. My brothers and I studied logic in middle school, then went into more depth in high school
Fred!!! Was at that pier last month. Navarre Beach is amazing and seeing the Blue Angels perform and practice just east of there was a treat!
Trust (and loyalty, and respect) is (are) earnt, not demanded.
The dude at Bellular is a real dude. He put out a video a few weeks ago apologizing to his viewers for an inaccuracy in the information they shared in their previous video at the time. That dude genuinely cares about games, his work, journalism and journalistic integrity, and gamers. Rare breed these days. Cant say enough good things about what they do over there