I don't mind dying in comics being impermanent, the impact of a character being dead always fades away after a few weeks anyway, and there is only so much narrative utility you can get out of a dead character, death in comics allows characters to go trough arcs involving a specific death, and then bring the dead character back when they can do more interesting things than alive than dead, and I don't think it completely robs the viewers of narrative impact since it can still be sad for readers to see characters they liked die because of the context of the story and because they know they might not see that character for a while, overall I think impairment death is better than permanent death in long-running universes
Donnie never died to begin with. The mortal wounding at the end of issue 44 was just a cliffhanger. His mind was transferred to Metalhead in the very next issue as they were trying to save him. Then the preview for the 2015 comic book day issue dropped before 44 dropped, so we knew he was in a coma before the issue came out.
i honestly think some of these {hush, one more day and superman's death} were meant to be the new status quote but fans had such a backlash or they feared fans would have a massive backlash that they chose not to
no. The comic stories are prepped months in advance. Hush was obvious when you actually read the comic. Superman's death was just marketing and it worked.
@@mattyt1961 that even more so explains my point. it feels like the writters wanted for superman's death to be permenent, or that hush was todd but the edditors got cold feet or and feared the backlash of something like that would do.
good idea in paper at the time, but in the long run, yeah what were they thinking, it worked on the ultimate universe cause he died shortly after lol but yeah I agree
@@majinriley9776 to be fair, no one cares or reads stuff about Carol? But yeah I'd put revealing spidey identity up there, what a way to mess with the lore of the hero
Wow, I remember death of superman! It was such a huge deal! It was even talked about on all the news channels. DC was actually saying it’s 100% legit and for real, and that he’s NOT going to just come back to life, so the huge deal being made, along with the correct people straight up telling us it’s NOT just some scheme, and he’s not coming back, A LOT of people believed it was for good!
The main issue w the fake Cap was everyone guessed it right away . Nick Spencer called everyone toxic and to allow the story to play out. Then it played out like everyone guessed initially anyway and this is when I gave up reading any Marvel.
Hydra Cap was fun as hell. Very Superior Spider-Man-like. Just a shame they seemingly dropped Hydra Cap completely and not using him as a villain post Secret-Empire. Also while Miles killing Steve was a ruse for a Civil War II, it was actually a red herring for their fight during Secret Empire. Miles ultimately didn't do it, but he did give Cap a pretty good beatdown beforehand lol.
I remember watching Comicstorian when Hydra Cap first happened. If I remember correctly the changed by cosmic cube thing was revealed BEFORE the Hydra Cap reveal even happened. Not really a fake out and more people looking at it as a stand alone story with no context from previous comics
For Xorn it was just a colossal retcon of Marvel for bring back easily Magneto. If you consider the story is finished when Morisson ended his run, the twist with Xorn was one of the best surprise of the last 20's years
It was a shame how quickly Marvel retconned the whole switcheroo. I think they had Chuck Austen do it within like 3 months of Morrison's run being over.
Pretty much every ending/death in comics is fake, which is why they make such a big deal about it when they actually do die. If only Jean Grey had stayed dead, it would have spared the reader so much shite...😾💩
I didn't mind the Captain Hydra twist. Newspapers and whatnot made a big deal of it because he's the ultimate patriotic superhero, but when you read the comic, and the ones that happened before it, it's pretty clear that reality manipulation is going down the whole time
I liked Jean-Paul Valley as Batman. So he wasn’t as morally righteous as Bruce Wayne, but he was necessarily ruthless to bring down Bane. Given what went down in the comics version,the film version of Civil War was better presented in the MCU. #TeamIronMan.
If you guys do a #2 of Fakeouts in comics I recommend The Walking Dead. They had a history of revealing the upcoming chapters' cover art weeks ahead of time. The story went from Rick MVP to series finale in two issues.
Werid theory since dr strange essentially plays the part of mephisto in Spiderman NWH wonder will the evil verison of him be mephisto in multiverse of madness
Come on now. Any grown adult -- even a non-comic book fan -- who thought that DC Comics and Warner Bros. would kill off Superman (one of the most iconic and financially profitable fictional characters of all time) and never bring him back was a fool.
X-Force #116 ends with the first X-Statix team of adolescent mutants, all died on a government ambush attack. This comic book issue ends horribly gone wrong. This X-Men spin-off team took inspiration from The New Mutants and Generation X. Like a new generation of mutants in training. To add insult to injury, they are canceled two years later in 2003. And have made a comeback in 2019. A few months before the Krakoa relocation event. The X-Statix need to move to the Krakoa homeland they will be safe there. X-Force #116 and alongside The New Mutants #60, are one of the saddest and messed up sidekick and youth comic book stories.
Another WC Comics list, another Hydra Cap mention. It wasn't out of left field, the Secret Empire event was a sequel to the "Avengers: Standoff!" one. Also, this wasn't an M. Night Shyamalan climactic twist, it was a plot to be resolved, but now I see a lot of the items on this list vid are like that, so, not a very good vid or not a very good title on "endings" here
@@jaebee81 I'm sorry but I hate when comics do that, someone sayin some of these weren't that bad just made me tilt, one thing I'll give is that some of these were retcons not fakeout perse, technically different but at the end is just a cheap strategy. I really would like to know which weren't that bad on your opinion. I'd say any heroes death is meh, anyone could see the retcon coming from a mile away, I'm numb to that at this point.
Don’t care about deaths and resurrections of comic characters, but at least leave them dead many years! Not just one or two months like Death of the JL or today’s X-Men
Donatello dying really messed me up...knew it wouldn't stick but had me in my feels for a while
He's my favorite turtle, so seeing that as a younger fan at the time, it kinda scarred me.
I don't mind dying in comics being impermanent, the impact of a character being dead always fades away after a few weeks anyway, and there is only so much narrative utility you can get out of a dead character, death in comics allows characters to go trough arcs involving a specific death, and then bring the dead character back when they can do more interesting things than alive than dead, and I don't think it completely robs the viewers of narrative impact since it can still be sad for readers to see characters they liked die because of the context of the story and because they know they might not see that character for a while, overall I think impairment death is better than permanent death in long-running universes
I agree with another commenter, the fake out of the Batman-Catwoman wedding was the final nail in the coffin of my reading DC comics.
Damn. Never knew Donnie died. Metalhead makes sense.
Anyone know who is that white furry with them?
Donnie never died to begin with. The mortal wounding at the end of issue 44 was just a cliffhanger. His mind was transferred to Metalhead in the very next issue as they were trying to save him. Then the preview for the 2015 comic book day issue dropped before 44 dropped, so we knew he was in a coma before the issue came out.
@@TheRezro That's Alopex.
@@TheRezro that’s a fox-
the worse spider-man story became his best film
HaHa no
i honestly think some of these {hush, one more day and superman's death} were meant to be the new status quote but fans had such a backlash or they feared fans would have a massive backlash that they chose not to
no. The comic stories are prepped months in advance. Hush was obvious when you actually read the comic.
Superman's death was just marketing and it worked.
@@mattyt1961 that even more so explains my point. it feels like the writters wanted for superman's death to be permenent, or that hush was todd but the edditors got cold feet or and feared the backlash of something like that would do.
@@nealjustus9500 DC had stated from the beggining that superman was not going to be permadead.
Loved when you said , cheers for that . Sums it up !
Spider-Man revealing his identity is one of the worst decisions marvel has ever made
good idea in paper at the time, but in the long run, yeah what were they thinking, it worked on the ultimate universe cause he died shortly after lol but yeah I agree
Really? One of the worst? Not when Carol Danvers gave birth to her own sexual assaulter?
@@majinriley9776 to be fair, no one cares or reads stuff about Carol? But yeah I'd put revealing spidey identity up there, what a way to mess with the lore of the hero
@@majinriley9776 maybe when she can hold a series on her own people will star reading more stuff about her
@@majinriley9776 let me rephrase worst change that I care about I mean honestly who actually likes carol Danvers?
2:58 That is one hell of a long 2 years.
Wow, I remember death of superman! It was such a huge deal! It was even talked about on all the news channels. DC was actually saying it’s 100% legit and for real, and that he’s NOT going to just come back to life, so the huge deal being made, along with the correct people straight up telling us it’s NOT just some scheme, and he’s not coming back, A LOT of people believed it was for good!
The main issue w the fake Cap was everyone guessed it right away . Nick Spencer called everyone toxic and to allow the story to play out. Then it played out like everyone guessed initially anyway and this is when I gave up reading any Marvel.
I mean, there were certainly people who took it a little too personally, forgetting that this was a comic book character.
@@Nerwrax15 you a good point, but a lot of people saw Cap as someone to look up to or aim to be like in real life.
Hydra Cap was fun as hell. Very Superior Spider-Man-like. Just a shame they seemingly dropped Hydra Cap completely and not using him as a villain post Secret-Empire.
Also while Miles killing Steve was a ruse for a Civil War II, it was actually a red herring for their fight during Secret Empire. Miles ultimately didn't do it, but he did give Cap a pretty good beatdown beforehand lol.
Facts thank you! Lol
I remember watching Comicstorian when Hydra Cap first happened. If I remember correctly the changed by cosmic cube thing was revealed BEFORE the Hydra Cap reveal even happened. Not really a fake out and more people looking at it as a stand alone story with no context from previous comics
@@darkimpulse2829 Also facts
For Xorn it was just a colossal retcon of Marvel for bring back easily Magneto.
If you consider the story is finished when Morisson ended his run, the twist with Xorn was one of the best surprise of the last 20's years
If you read New X-Men when the series was coming out, that last panel was LITERAL GOOSEBUMPS, such a good reveal!
It was a shame how quickly Marvel retconned the whole switcheroo. I think they had Chuck Austen do it within like 3 months of Morrison's run being over.
Pretty much every ending/death in comics is fake, which is why they make such a big deal about it when they actually do die. If only Jean Grey had stayed dead, it would have spared the reader so much shite...😾💩
I didn't mind the Captain Hydra twist. Newspapers and whatnot made a big deal of it because he's the ultimate patriotic superhero, but when you read the comic, and the ones that happened before it, it's pretty clear that reality manipulation is going down the whole time
Miles's vision becomes true (almost) in Secret Empire.
I liked Jean-Paul Valley as Batman. So he wasn’t as morally righteous as Bruce Wayne, but he was necessarily ruthless to bring down Bane.
Given what went down in the comics version,the film version of Civil War was better presented in the MCU.
#TeamIronMan.
TeamCap
If you guys do a #2 of Fakeouts in comics I recommend The Walking Dead. They had a history of revealing the upcoming chapters' cover art weeks ahead of time. The story went from Rick MVP to series finale in two issues.
Oof this deserves to be in BEST fakeout endings which I am just now about to click on.
Werid theory since dr strange essentially plays the part of mephisto in Spiderman NWH wonder will the evil verison of him be mephisto in multiverse of madness
Theory? Mephisto was already reveled.
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I think we just found the inspiration for X-men 97’s destruction of Genosa episode.
Come on now. Any grown adult -- even a non-comic book fan -- who thought that DC Comics and Warner Bros. would kill off Superman (one of the most iconic and financially profitable fictional characters of all time) and never bring him back was a fool.
Great suit design for Cap, bad twist lol
X-Force #116 ends with the first X-Statix team of adolescent mutants, all died on a government ambush attack. This comic book issue ends horribly gone wrong. This X-Men spin-off team took inspiration from The New Mutants and Generation X. Like a new generation of mutants in training. To add insult to injury, they are canceled two years later in 2003. And have made a comeback in 2019. A few months before the Krakoa relocation event. The X-Statix need to move to the Krakoa homeland they will be safe there. X-Force #116 and alongside The New Mutants #60, are one of the saddest and messed up sidekick and youth comic book stories.
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Ok so a lot of these were integral story points. What a weird negative video topic
New Earth doomsday was not actually from krypton as stated in the reveal of his origin hunter pray!
Another WC Comics list, another Hydra Cap mention. It wasn't out of left field, the Secret Empire event was a sequel to the "Avengers: Standoff!" one. Also, this wasn't an M. Night Shyamalan climactic twist, it was a plot to be resolved, but now I see a lot of the items on this list vid are like that, so, not a very good vid or not a very good title on "endings" here
Xorn was legit terrible.
Worst things Harley Quinn has ever done when?
Half of these aren't that bad
Jason Todd and Donatello are legit.
what are you talking about? a fakeout is a fakeout, a cheap strategy for story telling, which weren't that bad? please enlighten me
@@alfredogonzalez9420 oh boy lol
@@jaebee81 I'm sorry but I hate when comics do that, someone sayin some of these weren't that bad just made me tilt, one thing I'll give is that some of these were retcons not fakeout perse, technically different but at the end is just a cheap strategy.
I really would like to know which weren't that bad on your opinion.
I'd say any heroes death is meh, anyone could see the retcon coming from a mile away, I'm numb to that at this point.
Don’t care about deaths and resurrections of comic characters, but at least leave them dead many years! Not just one or two months like Death of the JL or today’s X-Men
*Covers Always Lie*
i Reject miles morales as Spiderman
Waht heppannd
The “Death” of…..is lazy cheap writing. It’s such a trope now, it’s a joke.
I hate Spier-Man one more day it's so bad and garbage.
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What is this annoying habit of his (joules) of ZzzZzzZzz in every video? It’s unnecessarily irritating.
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