Everyone blaming the FO and saying he "should have" done this or that -- remember, it was against the rules for him to take over. He could have (and probably would have) lost his job. He very well may have lost his entire career. I'm sure if he'd known so many people were going to die, he would have done it anyway, but hindsight is always 20/20. That was a stupid rule to ever have in the first place.
The same old story. The First Officer is afraid to take control and initiate a Go around even though he clearly knew that the Captain was commiting a great blunder. There seems to be no solution to this problem which invariably leads to disaster and sad loss of hundreds of innocent human lives.
This is true, it’s something we are seeing less and less of, especially in western airlines. It’s always haunting to watch someone accept their fate when they could have acted to change it!
@@dannyfar7989 I agree. I'd say having overlapping roles in any dangerous work place is a double edged sword. On the one hand there is the ability to exchange roles in case of an emergency. On the other there is the hesitancy of who should act first. A problem exacerbated by the effects of incompetent authority and underlings trying to avoid a disciplinary. CRM seems to be the back bone of a lot of these uploads. Too many cooks spoil the broth but a hot potato needs all the hands you can muster.
Incorrect. This used to be an issue, submissive first Officers. But after too many disasters due to this, they are trained to be assertive and to not allow the Captain to do silly things and the Captain is trained that he is not the sole authority. They are a team and must work as one.
Exact same issue with air india 1344 crash at Kozhikode. First officer called for go around and caption did nothing. So basically 10 years between two accidents and air india did no procedural change
I am from this place. I was in pre-college when this incident happened. I still remember my friend, who lives close to the airport in Bajpe, Mangalore, calling me to inform me about it. This was the first time something this huge happened in our coastal city. I've always wanted to know the reason behind this crash, and your video has finally answered my question. Thank you for making this video :) and you gained a follower.
Man after I wake up I need like 20 min to understand that I am a human being living on planet earth, how was this captin supposed to land a plane! Rip to all the victims, specially the FO
I'm more angry that the captain did not go around and trying to spool the engines for an extra late go around imho was dumb, especially since they already deployed reverses. Sadly the first officer didn't go around himself.
I've seen a few fatal accidents that could've potentially been avoided if the copilot had simply taken control of the aircraft but didn't because of protocol. I guess protocol is more important than self-preservation in some situations.
Captain should have final say on the decisions on the aircraft, but when it comes to safety, the co-pilot should take control when a go around is required and Captain is not doing it. In this situation the Captain may be the only one allowed to land, but the co-pilot can take control for a go around when it's obvious the Captain isn't following proper safety procedures.
"Great" being in inverted commas actually means the opposite, namely that you think it's awful. To each their own, so maybe you genuinely feel the narration is in fact horrible and that's what you wanted to convey. But since inverted commas are often used in the exact opposite way of their actual meaning, and since I haven't seen a negative comment to the narration of this content creator's narration before, I thought it could not hurt to point this out.
I am from Mangalore, and i used to travel 2-3 times every year from Mangalore to dubai and abu Dhabi with air india express, after this incident i started getting really nervous and scared whenever we try to land at Mangalore.
Thank you for a fantastic video! As always. This was such an great example of all the wrong parts falling into place to lead to an inevitable crash! I cannot believe the captain would sleep up until 25 mins before the landing especially on a critical airfield only he can land at. Crazy!
Thank you, I thought I was reading the report wrong! 2 hours and 5 minutes recorded on the CVR and the captain asleep for 1 hour and 40 minutes of that recording!
It’s so heartbreaking that this has happened more than once. A copilot even though they know the captain is doing something that may and has killed them they do nothing to save their own lives and the passengers that just happen to get on that specific plane on that specific day!! Human error has killed so many over the years since humans started to fly!! R.I.P. to everyone lost on this plane!! Love and support to the family’s whom lost their family member because of someone else’s stubbornness!! ❤🙏🏽💙
These are very nice. These new simulators are stunning and you are good at it! Thank you. The plane audio ads another dimension to the video, if it is available I do not know.
When human lives are in peril, the FO should have total authority to land the plane or go around if the Captain is still half asleep. The living deserve that much for sure and keep them living after the plane ride is over. My example...years ago I was diagnosed WITH SEVERE SLEEP APNEA. I would fall asleep.while driving. My wife would tell me to stop the car. I would get in the passenger seat and she would drive. I never felt like i was less of a man by allowing my wife to drive. Tha fully my CPAP machine saved my life going forward.
Excellent narration and re-play of a tragic story. Its so sad that the plane was mechanically fine- the whole situation could’ve been completely avoided :-(
2:32 you mean only the captain could be pilot flying into this particular field. Thank you for the hard work and great narration. Keep it up. Suscribed after the second video
If any rules are broken ... That concerned person/ officer should be relieved off duties with immediate effect.... No exceptions !!! The threat of losing job and aquiring a permanent stain on career record would put the pilots & cabin crew to alert mode at any point in time during the flight.
The problem here is the airlines. The pilot overslept and got stuck being too high. Pushing limits to get down he knew it would be too high and too fast at landing but…. If he had to do a go around which has to do with schedules and fuel usage he may get in trouble. There is the rub,he would have to explain to the airline the reason for the go-around . Great video, and now wishing my sim looked that good
@@Jabarri74Not prior to the accident. Fresh in the mind of the captain was the case of an Air India Express pilot, also a foreigner, who performed a go-around at another airport. ATC pressured him for an explanation for his actions and he was questioned by the media after landing. Furthermore, the captain himself had a bad experience after a hard landing some months before. The airline had sent him to “Flight Safety Counseling,” during which he received various reprimands for his performance. Flight Safety Counseling varied from moderately helpful to downright humiliating back then. It didn’t help that when a pilot had counseling on his schedule, as all the other pilots could see it. India really needs to fix the authority gradient in Indian Airlines, as it is way too steep. However, that does not excuse the Captain. The captain was still at fault mostly. This is one of the reasons why the First Officer did not take over.
Mangalore (2010) and Kozhikode (2020) plane crash almost identical :- . Air india express . Boing 737 . Table top runway . Overshot the runway . Fell down the slope
Poor CRM. Many lives have been lost because of this. Airlines like Emirates don't allow some mistakes to slide so it's almost impossible to get to such a scenario.
Just one day before at this very airport, I landed in a Kingfisher Airlines jet, with my dad, to attend counseling at Manipal University in Mangalore, for my MBBS degree course. I got to know about this unfortunate accident but couldn't ever understand how it might have happened, with so much equipment and skilled professionals involved. I now know for sure, it was that post sleep mood which caused all this! Because something like this was the first thing they would teach to pilots landing at a table top runway. A simple go around would have been enough to prevent the loss of so many innocent lives. Om Shanti
I think the captain wanted to sleep permanently. If I was the first officer I would have been more forceful because of the lives of passengers , and my life.
There was another similar incident during intial stages of lockdown, the plane fell off the cliff . The first officer warned the man, but the pilot paid no attention to him and crashed the plane . Air india express, 7th aug 2020. rip
There was an almost identical plane crash in Pakistan in 2020, the captain just didnt follow basic procedures. The plane was too high at the approach, and he did all these same things, using brakes and landing gear and slats, and pitch down. Also gave false "we are stabilized" reply to air traffic control.
Time=$=not to go around! An arrogant captain and a powerless and useless FO. FO would rather die with captain and kill many others instead of overriding the chain of command and save all lives to live and fly another day??? How dumb!
Reverse thrust could prevent this from happening of at least would increase survivors. But the last moment thrust beyond V1 is what cause high casualties
That diagram is crazy. Most passengers burnt to death. I can only hope the captain was one of them but he probably died quickly without ever realizing what he’d done.
Nice narration, but most probably the problem lies on the Boeing jeliner plane 737-800BG itself, it could be due to faulty mechanical issues or technical issues. As we know Boeing jetliners has many different safety issues, especially the 737 series whether its 737-800 or those 737 Max (8,9,10 series)
I believe flight decks are designes to be able to handle the odd spilled coffee or other beverage. I'm sure it happens frequently, with turbulence and all. I've yet to see a report where the conclusion is that the catastrophic failure was incapacitated instrumentation because of spilling liquids 😉 While a bucket of cold water may not be the best go-to, some way of inducing an adrenaline surge (mild electrical ahock?) would not be a bad idea. I just looked up 'window of cicardian low' and after reading the info on nap.nationalacademy this would not be such a bad idea.
British Serbian pilot..... I am sure that didn't play any part in the pilot's disregard for his first officer's go around advice three times! Having worked with some East Europeans, my experience is that they seem to have a low opinion of coloured people!
Pilots should never be allowed to sleep on the job. This captain had post sleep grogginess and grumpiness and was unprofessional and incompetent. A workplace culture in any industry should never be so authoritarian that a worker is unable to question someone who outranks them. I was fired from a job recently simply for respectfully disagreeing with a manager. That is a bad way to run a company. I’m glad to no longer work for them. Company policy should not have prevented the first officer from making the landing. This would have been an acceptable situation for the first officer to break the rules by taking charge even if it cost him his job. Being alive and unemployed is better than being dead. Indian culture has an authoritarian and classist element to it. I have worked with many Asian-Indians here in the United States and they, along with other Asians, are generally more deferential to authority than Americans and Westerners in general. I noticed in situations where the Indians I worked with felt uncomfortable directly challenging a manager, they would make their views known instead through humor or by teasing the manager. It seems that is the culturally acceptable outlet in their culture to disagree with a higher ranking person.
correct id i am wrong... when this kind of incidents happen... Cant we switch off emgines permanently so that couldn't ignite with fuel.. so without fire fuselauge will be broken and passengers could save... and if flight is more hight than standard.. atc should take action and cancel for the approach.. what atc is doing ?? and next why couldn't we place a 3rd standby pilot. He just notice whether doing correctly or not.. If something errors he then warn them. so situation will be in control..
Quite unbelievable. I hope that any and all 1st Officers in a similar situation will hit that TOGA button and grab the controls for a go-around. It's better to have a cocky Captain yell at you afterwards than perish with the Passengers YOU are responsible for in an inferno! This is a Text Book Example of total lack of CRM. I hope that all Captains will similarly listen to their 1st Officer if they shout GO AROUND, CAPTAIN!
i seen another videos of yours and it was about becoming a pilot and i was wondering if i needed a-levels to become a pilot because you said u left 6th form early
Hi Liam, yes I left 6th form early without A levels, but then joined the airforce in a different role. During that time I then gained higher level qualifications up to a MA degree before then applying for the role of pilot. You will need A levels to join direct, check out the RAF recruitment website for the most up to date information.
@@CuriousPilot90 thank you for this because I want to be a pilot but I also want a break from school and don’t want to go straight into college and I was thinking of joining the RAF in a different role when I’m 16 and would like to do the same as what it sounds like you have done. Thank you for the reply
Why did this incompetent captain and pilot still go ahead with the landing when audio and visual warnings from the plane can be heard and seen. Even warnings from the first officer co-pilot saying to go around but the captain ignored all warnings and still continued with the landing. Lessons have to be learnt from this incident.
That would have been the right call Norman, I think this would still have been protocol for air India express but not truly believed by the first officer. It’s such a shame to see the first officer asking for the correct actions and then accept his fate.
@CuriousPilot90 In this particular case, with the very specific protocols in place for this air port, I wonder if legally/technically the FO could have faced disciplinary action had he saved the day by taking over and putting the plane down. The fact that he probably would have done a flawless job with 66 previous landings under his belt, would not have made a difference protocol wise as he still would have has acted against regulations. What is your take on this? Would adherence to protocol prevail and the FO be faced with disciplinary actions to save the day?
@@PJay-wy5fx common sense should take over in situations like this....regulation and classification be damned. If its my life against regulation... i know which one i would choose.
@@PJay-wy5fx In the first instance, I think you would be right. If the first officer had taken control and landed safely, then the consequence of the captain continuing would be unknown. This would be against policy and the first officer would be in a position where he could face disciplinary action. I would hope, that if that were the case, the airline would check the data and confirm that the first officers actions were correct and therefore he would be praised for his actions. Safety has to be promoted as the first priority, it is getting better with more airlines across the world, if either pilot isn't happy they will break off the approach and start again. The only other issue to that is the added commercial pressures of going around. The crew would need to justify their actions and in some cases looked negatively upon. This is something again, that looks to be improving.
Why that Captain couldn't just go around? The first officer, or co-pilot was telling him to go around, even though he could of had taken control at the moment, and save not only himself, the Captain and the plane, but all the passenger onboard that flight. Unbelievable.
This is true Kenny, and something not addressed in the final report. The aviation industry is getting better with this, but for some airlines there will be additional commercial pressures which influence crews not to take the more expensive option.
I'd like to kno why 1st officer didn't just say (my control) & take that bird back in the air. Even more stupid is to reverse thrust & hit the breaks, then decide to take it back in the air after scrubbing off speed.
That's deplorable I suspect CRM is not well established, contrary to public knowledge. For 7, or 8 years now, I've watched or read about 2 airplane accidents per day, on channels like yours. Not great for confidence in flying. Funny for me - I was on the first Pan Am 747, it's second flight ever NYC to LAX 1970. The first was NYC to London, where an engine secretly was replaced. This same 747 was hijacked to Havana Cuba, then later was involved in the worst air disaster where this same Pan Am 747 and a KLM 747 crashed in 1977 at the Canary Islands. There was an NBC-TV miniseries at the same time 'airport '77' which is worse than terrifying. I was on that plane in 1970, I did not budge from my seat for the duration, any kid, I guess has working instincts.
I would like to watch these videos but the awful screeching sounds, when the time is announced, are too much for me. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard.
What comes to mind is, it’s India. Cultural norms dictated the first officers lack of empowerment. They trashed a newer, high-quality aircraft due to unprofessional behaviors and, as is frequently the case, the passengers paid the price.
What nonsense! So it happened because it's India?? Ever thought that it's an East European captain with a British nationality, and it's well known that Europeans (especially Eastern!) consider coloured people to be inferior and maybe his racist aptitude made him ignore an Indian first officer's warning three times! Co-pilots not initiating a go around has been seen in many crashes the world over!
@@CuriousPilot90 There was a wiper failure which u didn't mention,The captain should have diverted to another airport as per the standard procedure but instead he did a go around and then he landed on runway with tail wind, and he could have diverted to another airport but he didn't because he had a flight next morning and If he had diverted ,his next flight would be delayed, there are many factors which u didn't mention
@@indian7953I think you're referring to a different incident. You're talking about the Air India Express Flight 1344 accident in August 2020 at the Kochi, Kerala airport. The incident in this video is the 2010 Mangalore airport crash.
The captain only landing rule makes no sense to me. Even when the first officer is pilot flying, the captain is still in charge. If anything starts to go wrong, it is not uncommon for a captain to hand over to the first officer, allowing him to concentrate on all the factors, then make the correct decisions. Another serious problem, is assuming that the captain is incapacitated for any reason. This would force he first officer, to make his first landing, while doing two jobs at once. If I was a captain, I am sure that I would bend the rules a little, by allowing the first officer to make a few landings while I was closely following him. This would leave me happy in the knowledge, that if anything happened to me, everyone would live to see another day.
@@wilsjane I agree. I always thought it was better for me to be in the "monitor" role during difficult situations. However, bending the rules in modern aircraft which record EVERYTHING you do, can cost you your wings.
@@wilsjane What got my attention is the FO having made 66 landings at the airport to the captain's 16. Obviously, the FO is more familiar, yet he wasn't allowed to make the landing. That's crazy!
@@alexmiller7721 This may amuse you. One day when a flight arrived in a few minutes late at Heathrow from Cork after the captain called in with serious food poisoning and the flight was delayed until a relief captain arrived. The first officer (who was quite recently appointed) was laughing and joking with the cabin crew about his experience with the dear old lady, who took a quick glance at his settings and telling him to do the checklist from memory, she told him that he was flying. During the climb, when he checked with her before engaging autopilot, she replied "don't bother with that contraption on a short flight. He was then telling everyone how during the flight, she kept doing her crossword. All the laughter came to an abrupt halt when one of the cabin crew casually mentioned that he had just flown with the airlines chief pilot. He really thought that he had blown it by the way that he had chatted to her, so he was not surprised when a letter from HR arrived. The letter (her crossword) was his first appraisal. She described him as efficient and motivated, with a friendly and pleasant personality. PS. Her position before joining the airline, was a training officer with the RN, where she was responsible for training pilots to take off and land on NATO aircraft carriers without ending up in the water. LOL
I can relate so much as I have just got retirement after 40 years of flying job, CRM training every year to minimize the gap between PIC and rest of Crew is very essential so you can say loudly NO for wrong doings.
so, he woke up 25min prior to landing, and there was a 2hr and 5min recording, and he was asleep for 1hr 40min, if you add 25min to 1hr40min you get 2hr5min, so they are saying they think he was asleep from when the recording starts, he could have been asleep for a lot longer
Im just an aviation fan and like flying planes in simulators and i feel like i couldve landed that like 2x better than the captain. Definitely was still feeling groggy or he wouldnt have ever been able to get where he was with such a lack of actual experience and skill.
It seems like he was persistently drifting into a half-asleep state in that grey area between consciousness and sleep, where his perception and processing of reality were significantly warped. I'm sure his psychomotor functioning was impaired while trying to hand-fly in an intense, fast-moving situation that he couldn't mentally keep up with.
the aircraft didn't immediately touch down, due to the touchdown and high speed of the plane, the plane had bounced on landing twice, causing its tires to burst, thereby making the plane veer towards to right on the runway, which caused it to hit the concrete localiser Autopsy tells that there would have been around 85 people surviving this fall, but fire had unfortunately killed 78 others as well, the last thing caught in the cvr was a bank angle warning too interestingly, likely due to the right wing hitting the localiser All of these inputs are useless its just something I had found when I looked up on this crash
The tyre bursting thing is FALSE. The accident report confirms that the tyres have 0 indication and marks of tyre bursting. Even the runway has 0 marks to prove the tyres bursted.
As for the localiser structure, it was and STILL IS illegally placed at the back of the runway at Mangalore airport. To make it worse, that thing is not frangible at all, which increased the severity of the accident. Till this day, the structure was simply rebuilt the same way as it was prior to the crash. It's still illegally located behind the runway and not frangible. Some experts say if rectifications are not made, they are just asking for a similar disaster.
Is it not possible for the voice recorder to record the entire flight instead of just two hours?I'm sure technology is such that it could be in operation even on very long international flights.In this accident it would have made no difference but there have been instances where conversations mid flight would have shed light on the eventual outcome,as testified by surviving flight crew.
@@donaldsalkovick396 Sov. cits are idiots- but they are certainly not the only ppl who dislike the police. Cops are not very popular in this country right now- with lots of ppl- many of which have never even heard of a sovereign citizen.
It's beyond me (we as humans) don't build for safety in all aspects! What I mean by that is that this is an idiotic airport as table tops are so pervasively dangerous. Ya know how you mitigate that??? You build at both ends, an overrun arrest system! Nobody would have died and just imagine the stress level would go down because you know you wont fly off the end of the runway. Oh well, I guess!!! 😢😢😢😢 P. S. The captain was a terrible captain that goes without saying.
Being polite and respectful to the captain while hurtling to your death. F*ck that. "I have control" is the phrase.
it seems as though a Captain's pride was more important than saving lives and hearing his First Officer's recommendations...
that happened in Garuda flight 200 in 2007, and sadly i believe in most asia countries that value seniority, this case still might happen..
Remember,that the captain was a brit and Brits are infamously famous for being snobs!
Everyone blaming the FO and saying he "should have" done this or that -- remember, it was against the rules for him to take over. He could have (and probably would have) lost his job. He very well may have lost his entire career. I'm sure if he'd known so many people were going to die, he would have done it anyway, but hindsight is always 20/20. That was a stupid rule to ever have in the first place.
The same old story. The First Officer is afraid to take control and initiate a Go around even though he clearly knew that the Captain was commiting a great blunder. There seems to be no solution to this problem which invariably leads to disaster and sad loss of hundreds of innocent human lives.
This is true, it’s something we are seeing less and less of, especially in western airlines. It’s always haunting to watch someone accept their fate when they could have acted to change it!
Group dynamics is never as instinctively decisive as an individual's actions.
A solution exists: training.
One problem is that it's a lot of work to implement proper crm in authority driven cultures.
@@dannyfar7989 I agree. I'd say having overlapping roles in any dangerous work place is a double edged sword.
On the one hand there is the ability to exchange roles in case of an emergency. On the other there is the hesitancy of who should act first. A problem exacerbated by the effects of incompetent authority and underlings trying to avoid a disciplinary. CRM seems to be the back bone of a lot of these uploads.
Too many cooks spoil the broth but a hot potato needs all the hands you can muster.
Incorrect. This used to be an issue, submissive first Officers. But after too many disasters due to this, they are trained to be assertive and to not allow the Captain to do silly things and the Captain is trained that he is not the sole authority. They are a team and must work as one.
Exact same issue with air india 1344 crash at Kozhikode. First officer called for go around and caption did nothing. So basically 10 years between two accidents and air india did no procedural change
I am from this place. I was in pre-college when this incident happened. I still remember my friend, who lives close to the airport in Bajpe, Mangalore, calling me to inform me about it. This was the first time something this huge happened in our coastal city. I've always wanted to know the reason behind this crash, and your video has finally answered my question. Thank you for making this video :) and you gained a follower.
I do remember this
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Man after I wake up I need like 20 min to understand that I am a human being living on planet earth, how was this captin supposed to land a plane! Rip to all the victims, specially the FO
Yeah seriously
I'm more angry that the captain did not go around and trying to spool the engines for an extra late go around imho was dumb, especially since they already deployed reverses.
Sadly the first officer didn't go around himself.
The visuals in this video are outstanding! 😳
Flight sim
Flight sim... Mr plum machine great yellow bear.
I don't know anything about flying a plane but I believe "the go-around" call could've have saved everyone on board 😢. Rest well angels 🕊
I am from Mangalore & witness of the horrific crash. Great visual explanation keep it up.👍
I've seen a few fatal accidents that could've potentially been avoided if the copilot had simply taken control of the aircraft but didn't because of protocol. I guess protocol is more important than self-preservation in some situations.
Captain should have final say on the decisions on the aircraft, but when it comes to safety, the co-pilot should take control when a go around is required and Captain is not doing it. In this situation the Captain may be the only one allowed to land, but the co-pilot can take control for a go around when it's obvious the Captain isn't following proper safety procedures.
That poor FO.
As a retired pilot, I say "Great" narration.
"Great" being in inverted commas actually means the opposite, namely that you think it's awful. To each their own, so maybe you genuinely feel the narration is in fact horrible and that's what you wanted to convey.
But since inverted commas are often used in the exact opposite way of their actual meaning, and since I haven't seen a negative comment to the narration of this content creator's narration before, I thought it could not hurt to point this out.
@@PJay-wy5fx I'm a grammar nerd, and you're officially my hero. Excellent explanation.
@emmy you is loser.
Should brief the captain: "My first go around call will be a courtesy to you, the second go around call will be after me taking command and control."
I am from Mangalore, and i used to travel 2-3 times every year from Mangalore to dubai and abu Dhabi with air india express, after this incident i started getting really nervous and scared whenever we try to land at Mangalore.
Thank you for a fantastic video! As always. This was such an great example of all the wrong parts falling into place to lead to an inevitable crash! I cannot believe the captain would sleep up until 25 mins before the landing especially on a critical airfield only he can land at. Crazy!
Thank you, I thought I was reading the report wrong! 2 hours and 5 minutes recorded on the CVR and the captain asleep for 1 hour and 40 minutes of that recording!
It’s so heartbreaking that this has happened more than once. A copilot even though they know the captain is doing something that may and has killed them they do nothing to save their own lives and the passengers that just happen to get on that specific plane on that specific day!! Human error has killed so many over the years since humans started to fly!! R.I.P. to everyone lost on this plane!! Love and support to the family’s whom lost their family member because of someone else’s stubbornness!! ❤🙏🏽💙
Excellent job with both the script and narration of a story with diffcult subject matter! ❤
Thank you so much!
This is heart breaking 😢 RIP those who died 🥺
These are very nice. These new simulators are stunning and you are good at it! Thank you. The plane audio ads another dimension to the video, if it is available I do not know.
When human lives are in peril, the FO should have total authority to land the plane or go around if the Captain is still half asleep. The living deserve that much for sure and keep them living after the plane ride is over. My example...years ago I was diagnosed WITH SEVERE SLEEP APNEA. I would fall asleep.while driving. My wife would tell me to stop the car. I would get in the passenger seat and she would drive. I never felt like i was less of a man by allowing my wife to drive. Tha fully my CPAP machine saved my life going forward.
F/O to ATC. "Going around." Now the Captain has no choice.
Excellent narration and re-play of a tragic story. Its so sad that the plane was mechanically fine- the whole situation could’ve been completely avoided :-(
There's got to be a system in place where the co-pilot can initiate emergency procedures to prevent such fatal crashes
2:32 you mean only the captain could be pilot flying into this particular field.
Thank you for the hard work and great narration. Keep it up.
Suscribed after the second video
My Dad's best friend was in this flight.
Sorry for your loss😢
If any rules are broken ... That concerned person/ officer should be relieved off duties with immediate effect.... No exceptions !!!
The threat of losing job and aquiring a permanent stain on career record would put the pilots & cabin crew to alert mode at any point in time during the flight.
In India , Post & Seniority matters...
The problem here is the airlines. The pilot overslept and got stuck being too high. Pushing limits to get down he knew it would be too high and too fast at landing but…. If he had to do a go around which has to do with schedules and fuel usage he may get in trouble. There is the rub,he would have to explain to the airline the reason for the go-around . Great video, and now wishing my sim looked that good
I thought pilots didnt have to explain 1 go around as it is always due to safety. Maybe I'm wrong
Well in this case ATC left him without enough track miles, so he had a good reason to blame it on someone else.
@@Jabarri74Not prior to the accident. Fresh in the mind of the captain was the case of an Air India Express pilot, also a foreigner, who performed a go-around at another airport. ATC pressured him for an explanation for his actions and he was questioned by the media after landing. Furthermore, the captain himself had a bad experience after a hard landing some months before. The airline had sent him to “Flight Safety Counseling,” during which he received various reprimands for his performance. Flight Safety Counseling varied from moderately helpful to downright humiliating back then. It didn’t help that when a pilot had counseling on his schedule, as all the other pilots could see it. India really needs to fix the authority gradient in Indian Airlines, as it is way too steep. However, that does not excuse the Captain. The captain was still at fault mostly. This is one of the reasons why the First Officer did not take over.
@@SauI_Goodman How would you compare this crash to the Wayfarer Flight 515 crash?
@@SteveWillNotDoIt1984 Is that even a real crash? I literally don't see any proper and legitimate documentation about it.
Mangalore (2010) and Kozhikode (2020) plane crash almost identical :-
. Air india express
. Boing 737
. Table top runway
. Overshot the runway
. Fell down the slope
tabetop runway oops..sad sad..vitnessed .that blast sound,smoke omg still i remember that day.tragic day in indian aviation history
Excellent video!❤
Thank you. Glad you liked it.
Poor CRM. Many lives have been lost because of this. Airlines like Emirates don't allow some mistakes to slide so it's almost impossible to get to such a scenario.
Just one day before at this very airport, I landed in a Kingfisher Airlines jet, with my dad, to attend counseling at Manipal University in Mangalore, for my MBBS degree course. I got to know about this unfortunate accident but couldn't ever understand how it might have happened, with so much equipment and skilled professionals involved. I now know for sure, it was that post sleep mood which caused all this! Because something like this was the first thing they would teach to pilots landing at a table top runway. A simple go around would have been enough to prevent the loss of so many innocent lives. Om Shanti
The captain was an undisciplined fool.
So true.
I think the captain wanted to sleep permanently. If I was the first officer I would have been more forceful because of the lives of passengers , and my life.
There was another similar incident during intial stages of lockdown, the plane fell off the cliff . The first officer warned the man, but the pilot paid no attention to him and crashed the plane . Air india express, 7th aug 2020. rip
There was an almost identical plane crash in Pakistan in 2020, the captain just didnt follow basic procedures. The plane was too high at the approach, and he did all these same things, using brakes and landing gear and slats, and pitch down. Also gave false "we are stabilized" reply to air traffic control.
Captain should have kept in sleeping till touch down
Great video! Thanks
Time=$=not to go around! An arrogant captain and a powerless and useless FO. FO would rather die with captain and kill many others instead of overriding the chain of command and save all lives to live and fly another day??? How dumb!
Reverse thrust could prevent this from happening of at least would increase survivors. But the last moment thrust beyond V1 is what cause high casualties
Pilot's sleep gave sleepless nights to the families of the passengers for the rest of their lives 😢, From Mangalore 💔
Heavenly Father bless n protect in all our dangerous plots bless us all. AMEN.
Bad Captain.....
That diagram is crazy. Most passengers burnt to death. I can only hope the captain was one of them but he probably died quickly without ever realizing what he’d done.
No words...😔 😔 😔
Nice narration, but most probably the problem lies on the Boeing jeliner plane 737-800BG itself, it could be due to faulty mechanical issues or technical issues. As we know Boeing jetliners has many different safety issues, especially the 737 series whether its 737-800 or those 737 Max (8,9,10 series)
Captain asleep ! Bucket of cold water on his head -
I’m not sure if the inside of the 737 would have enjoyed a bucket of water all over it! 😬
I believe flight decks are designes to be able to handle the odd spilled coffee or other beverage.
I'm sure it happens frequently, with turbulence and all.
I've yet to see a report where the conclusion is that the catastrophic failure was incapacitated instrumentation because of spilling liquids 😉
While a bucket of cold water may not be the best go-to, some way of inducing an adrenaline surge (mild electrical ahock?) would not be a bad idea.
I just looked up 'window of cicardian low' and after reading the info on nap.nationalacademy this would not be such a bad idea.
British Serbian pilot..... I am sure that didn't play any part in the pilot's disregard for his first officer's go around advice three times! Having worked with some East Europeans, my experience is that they seem to have a low opinion of coloured people!
Exactly even Australians and worst of all Latin Americans who themselves have mixed race people
1:39 That's why your luggage is smashed. The guy driving the trolley keeps brake checking. lol
Pilots should never be allowed to sleep on the job. This captain had post sleep grogginess and grumpiness and was unprofessional and incompetent.
A workplace culture in any industry should never be so authoritarian that a worker is unable to question someone who outranks them.
I was fired from a job recently simply for respectfully disagreeing with a manager. That is a bad way to run a company. I’m glad to no longer work for them.
Company policy should not have prevented the first officer from making the landing. This would have been an acceptable situation for the first officer to break the rules by taking charge even if it cost him his job. Being alive and unemployed is better than being dead.
Indian culture has an authoritarian and classist element to it. I have worked with many Asian-Indians here in the United States and they, along with other Asians, are generally more deferential to authority than Americans and Westerners in general.
I noticed in situations where the Indians I worked with felt uncomfortable directly challenging a manager, they would make their views known instead through humor or by teasing the manager. It seems that is the culturally acceptable outlet in their culture to disagree with a higher ranking person.
Sleep should be allowed in the cockpit, but in regulation. It's needed.
An almost forgotten tragedy from Germany: Paninternational flight 112 crash-landing on the Autobahn.
Because of these kind of pilots I will never set foot on any plane. All untrustworthy
On the legend at 11:41...what does the seats marked in white mean?
I'm also curious
correct id i am wrong...
when this kind of incidents happen...
Cant we switch off emgines permanently so that couldn't ignite with fuel..
so without fire fuselauge will be broken and passengers could save...
and if flight is more hight than standard.. atc should take action and cancel for the approach..
what atc is doing ??
and next why couldn't we place a 3rd standby pilot. He just notice whether doing correctly or not.. If something errors he then warn them. so situation will be in control..
Ooof! What an intro.
I’m speechless 😶
Quite unbelievable. I hope that any and all 1st Officers in a similar situation will hit that TOGA button and grab the controls for a go-around. It's better to have a cocky Captain yell at you afterwards than perish with the Passengers YOU are responsible for in an inferno! This is a Text Book Example of total lack of CRM. I hope that all Captains will similarly listen to their 1st Officer if they shout GO AROUND, CAPTAIN!
i seen another videos of yours and it was about becoming a pilot and i was wondering if i needed a-levels to become a pilot because you said u left 6th form early
Hi Liam, yes I left 6th form early without A levels, but then joined the airforce in a different role. During that time I then gained higher level qualifications up to a MA degree before then applying for the role of pilot. You will need A levels to join direct, check out the RAF recruitment website for the most up to date information.
@@CuriousPilot90 thank you for this because I want to be a pilot but I also want a break from school and don’t want to go straight into college and I was thinking of joining the RAF in a different role when I’m 16 and would like to do the same as what it sounds like you have done. Thank you for the reply
That was early morning with horrible News that day.. still considered as black day.. ! 🥺
this is kinda like how I land in the flight simulator
Why did this incompetent captain and pilot still go ahead with the landing when audio and visual warnings from the plane can be heard and seen. Even warnings from the first officer co-pilot saying to go around but the captain ignored all warnings and still continued with the landing. Lessons have to be learnt from this incident.
160 passengers....were they all inside the plane or were some riding on the wing like they do on trains and buses?
If i had been ion the right hand seat, i would have taken over to initiate a go around...to hell with protocol.
That would have been the right call Norman, I think this would still have been protocol for air India express but not truly believed by the first officer. It’s such a shame to see the first officer asking for the correct actions and then accept his fate.
I guess we don’t get incident reports when the FO is like, captain, you either go around now, or I’m taking over this flight.
@CuriousPilot90 In this particular case, with the very specific protocols in place for this air port, I wonder if legally/technically the FO could have faced disciplinary action had he saved the day by taking over and putting the plane down.
The fact that he probably would have done a flawless job with 66 previous landings under his belt, would not have made a difference protocol wise as he still would have has acted against regulations.
What is your take on this? Would adherence to protocol prevail and the FO be faced with disciplinary actions to save the day?
@@PJay-wy5fx common sense should take over in situations like this....regulation and classification be damned. If its my life against regulation... i know which one i would choose.
@@PJay-wy5fx In the first instance, I think you would be right. If the first officer had taken control and landed safely, then the consequence of the captain continuing would be unknown. This would be against policy and the first officer would be in a position where he could face disciplinary action. I would hope, that if that were the case, the airline would check the data and confirm that the first officers actions were correct and therefore he would be praised for his actions. Safety has to be promoted as the first priority, it is getting better with more airlines across the world, if either pilot isn't happy they will break off the approach and start again. The only other issue to that is the added commercial pressures of going around. The crew would need to justify their actions and in some cases looked negatively upon. This is something again, that looks to be improving.
Why that Captain couldn't just go around? The first officer, or co-pilot was telling him to go around, even though he could of had taken control at the moment, and save not only himself, the Captain and the plane, but all the passenger onboard that flight. Unbelievable.
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Actually, Air India has had one other fatal accident: Air India Flight 182.
It seems like there is a reluctance to go around on the fear of having to answer for it..
This is true Kenny, and something not addressed in the final report. The aviation industry is getting better with this, but for some airlines there will be additional commercial pressures which influence crews not to take the more expensive option.
Saving Aviation turbine fuel. This airline I heard will demand explanation and take action.
I'd like to kno why 1st officer didn't just say (my control) & take that bird back in the air.
Even more stupid is to reverse thrust & hit the breaks, then decide to take it back in the air after scrubbing off speed.
So irresponsible for thos captain to sleep for 3 hours
That's deplorable I suspect CRM is not well established, contrary to public knowledge.
For 7, or 8 years now, I've watched or read about 2 airplane accidents per day, on channels like yours. Not great for confidence in flying.
Funny for me - I was on the first Pan Am 747, it's second flight ever NYC to LAX 1970.
The first was NYC to London, where an engine secretly was replaced.
This same 747 was hijacked to Havana Cuba, then later was involved in the worst air disaster where this same Pan Am 747 and a KLM 747 crashed in 1977 at the Canary Islands. There was an NBC-TV miniseries at the same time 'airport '77' which is worse than terrifying.
I was on that plane in 1970, I did not budge from my seat for the duration, any kid, I guess has working instincts.
Where was the second pilot
This is what happens when pilots are too busy redeeming stolen gift cards to fly the plane.
Same old story,no survivors
This is 737 problem and not pilot issue. When ppl are dead just blame the dead is the default.
No, not true at all. The 737-800 NGs back then were very, very safe aircrafts, including this accident one. The plane had 0 role in the accident.
I would like to watch these videos but the awful screeching sounds, when the time is announced, are too much for me. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard.
What comes to mind is, it’s India. Cultural norms dictated the first officers lack of empowerment. They trashed a newer, high-quality aircraft due to unprofessional behaviors and, as is frequently the case, the passengers paid the price.
What nonsense! So it happened because it's India?? Ever thought that it's an East European captain with a British nationality, and it's well known that Europeans (especially Eastern!) consider coloured people to be inferior and maybe his racist aptitude made him ignore an Indian first officer's warning three times! Co-pilots not initiating a go around has been seen in many crashes the world over!
The captain had a short circuit between the headset. 😵💫
You havent provided the full information
All the information was sourced from the final report of the investigation into this incident. It is linked in the description.
@@CuriousPilot90 There was a wiper failure which u didn't mention,The captain should have diverted to another airport as per the standard procedure but instead he did a go around and then he landed on runway with tail wind, and he could have diverted to another airport but he didn't because he had a flight next morning and If he had diverted ,his next flight would be delayed, there are many factors which u didn't mention
@@indian7953I think you're referring to a different incident. You're talking about the Air India Express Flight 1344 accident in August 2020 at the Kochi, Kerala airport. The incident in this video is the 2010 Mangalore airport crash.
Ah damn my bad ig I was high sorry
Is that mangeloor OR mangled gore??
The Captain is always the pilot-in-command. What you meant to say is at special qual airports, the Captain must be the "pilot flying".
The captain only landing rule makes no sense to me. Even when the first officer is pilot flying, the captain is still in charge. If anything starts to go wrong, it is not uncommon for a captain to hand over to the first officer, allowing him to concentrate on all the factors, then make the correct decisions.
Another serious problem, is assuming that the captain is incapacitated for any reason. This would force he first officer, to make his first landing, while doing two jobs at once.
If I was a captain, I am sure that I would bend the rules a little, by allowing the first officer to make a few landings while I was closely following him. This would leave me happy in the knowledge, that if anything happened to me, everyone would live to see another day.
@@wilsjane I agree. I always thought it was better for me to be in the "monitor" role during difficult situations. However, bending the rules in modern aircraft which record EVERYTHING you do, can cost you your wings.
@@wilsjane What got my attention is the FO having made 66 landings at the airport to the captain's 16. Obviously, the FO is more familiar, yet he wasn't allowed to make the landing. That's crazy!
@@alexmiller7721 This may amuse you.
One day when a flight arrived in a few minutes late at Heathrow from Cork after the captain called in with serious food poisoning and the flight was delayed until a relief captain arrived. The first officer (who was quite recently appointed) was laughing and joking with the cabin crew about his experience with the dear old lady, who took a quick glance at his settings and telling him to do the checklist from memory, she told him that he was flying. During the climb, when he checked with her before engaging autopilot, she replied "don't bother with that contraption on a short flight.
He was then telling everyone how during the flight, she kept doing her crossword.
All the laughter came to an abrupt halt when one of the cabin crew casually mentioned that he had just flown with the airlines chief pilot.
He really thought that he had blown it by the way that he had chatted to her, so he was not surprised when a letter from HR arrived. The letter (her crossword) was his first appraisal. She described him as efficient and motivated, with a friendly and pleasant personality.
PS.
Her position before joining the airline, was a training officer with the RN, where she was responsible for training pilots to take off and land on NATO aircraft carriers without ending up in the water. LOL
To much useless blabla and no sleeping pilot.
COMMERCIAL AIRLINE PILOTS SHOULD GO FOR IGNORANCE TRAINING. HOW CAN YOU SLEEP IN THE COCKPIT? MOST OF THE PLANE ACCIDENT IS PILOT ERROR.
Loose cannon Captain costing so many lives. Disgusting. Thanks for an excellent video by the way.
I can relate so much as I have just got retirement after 40 years of flying job, CRM training every year to minimize the gap between PIC and rest of Crew is very essential so you can say loudly NO for wrong doings.
so, he woke up 25min prior to landing, and there was a 2hr and 5min recording, and he was asleep for 1hr 40min, if you add 25min to 1hr40min you get 2hr5min, so they are saying they think he was asleep from when the recording starts, he could have been asleep for a lot longer
Im just an aviation fan and like flying planes in simulators and i feel like i couldve landed that like 2x better than the captain. Definitely was still feeling groggy or he wouldnt have ever been able to get where he was with such a lack of actual experience and skill.
It seems like he was persistently drifting into a half-asleep state in that grey area between consciousness and sleep, where his perception and processing of reality were significantly warped. I'm sure his psychomotor functioning was impaired while trying to hand-fly in an intense, fast-moving situation that he couldn't mentally keep up with.
It must have played a part, his actions appeared irrational and not in keeping with his experience.
the aircraft didn't immediately touch down, due to the touchdown and high speed of the plane, the plane had bounced on landing twice, causing its tires to burst, thereby making the plane veer towards to right on the runway, which caused it to hit the concrete localiser
Autopsy tells that there would have been around 85 people surviving this fall, but fire had unfortunately killed 78 others as well, the last thing caught in the cvr was a bank angle warning too interestingly, likely due to the right wing hitting the localiser
All of these inputs are useless its just something I had found when I looked up on this crash
The tyre bursting thing is FALSE. The accident report confirms that the tyres have 0 indication and marks of tyre bursting. Even the runway has 0 marks to prove the tyres bursted.
As for the localiser structure, it was and STILL IS illegally placed at the back of the runway at Mangalore airport. To make it worse, that thing is not frangible at all, which increased the severity of the accident. Till this day, the structure was simply rebuilt the same way as it was prior to the crash. It's still illegally located behind the runway and not frangible. Some experts say if rectifications are not made, they are just asking for a similar disaster.
Air India Express Flight 812
Air India Flight 182
Creepy coincidence .
Is it not possible for the voice recorder to record the entire flight instead of just two hours?I'm sure technology is such that it could be in operation even on very long international flights.In this accident it would have made no difference but there have been instances where conversations mid flight would have shed light on the eventual outcome,as testified by surviving flight crew.
The first officer should have took control. Of the plane.
No matter how experienced one shouldn’t be over confident especially when many lives are dependent on you
Oh whatever you do, don’t dare call out the captains and ego. Pos
Never flying on air India!!
That captain had police officer level fragile ego.
Ok ill bet you're a sov citizen huh
@@donaldsalkovick396 Sov. cits are idiots- but they are certainly not the only ppl who dislike the police. Cops are not very popular in this country right now- with lots of ppl- many of which have never even heard of a sovereign citizen.
@@donaldsalkovick396 Butt hurt snowflake?
It's beyond me (we as humans) don't build for safety in all aspects! What I mean by that is that this is an idiotic airport as table tops are so pervasively dangerous. Ya know how you mitigate that??? You build at both ends, an overrun arrest system! Nobody would have died and just imagine the stress level would go down because you know you wont fly off the end of the runway. Oh well, I guess!!! 😢😢😢😢
P. S. The captain was a terrible captain that goes without saying.
The captain asleep in the cockpit was an absolute disgrace. So forost of the flight, his head was elsewhere 😮