Tom Baker’s scenes were from an unbroadcast/unfinished story called “Shada”. They tried to get him back but he declined because it was too close to when he left, he later regretted it.
@@daviddunaj7900 hrm i don't think so as from what i read she wouldn't have even been in it if baker had agreed originally the 4th doctor would have been paired with sarah Jane the 3rd with the brigadier and the second with Jamie i believe but then jamie proved unavailable except for tiny bit not sure who second would have ended up with 🤔🤷♂️ but then baker declined so problem was solved. Ps apparently Baker wanted to be the centre off story as well which obviously wouldn't have been fair as davison was main doctor.
Writing this was, apparently, a nightmare. The initial author pulled out, Tom Baker declined to participate at the last minute, and the script editor insisted on changing/rejecting/adding various ideas. Also, the producer didn't want too much of the Doctors interacting, believing it would be a 'collision of egos' (one of JNT's many silly ideas) Yes, it's not the best script but it's still a great deal of fun. To be honest, it's hard to not defend Terrance Dicks in any case.
"The Master was supposed to look like Roger Delgado". Actually, this was the current Master during the Davison (and later classic) period. ('Does he still have that rubbish beard?')
I've no doubt they deliberately chose to make Anthony Ainley look like Delgado from the outset. I recall watching Ainley's first appearance as the Master when I was a kid, and - as a Delgado fan - I was ecstatic to see "Delgado" return.
@@ftumschk Same sort of experience, watching with my mother - as a twenty-something. Both Delgado fans and exclaiming loudly and rather obviously at the transition, "that's the new Master!", and couldn't wait for the new episode, and news about it in DWM, and was thrilled at his return appearance. About a decade earlier, Anthony Ainley appeared in a serialised version of Dorothy L Sayer's 'Clouds Of Witness'. Being so much later, I didn't realise until I'd bought the release of the serial. Even without the 'rubbish beard', and the limited appearance in the story, there's no mistaking him due to the distinctiveness of the man.
According to Terrance Dicks(the writer) in his original script for The Five Doctors, The Fourth Doctor basically had the Fifth Doctor's role. He would have went to the capitol and took on the President instead of Davison's Doctor. The First Doctor basically stayed in the Tardis with Turlough and Susan and the Fifth Doctor went with Tegan
Something I found out only recently was that Janet Fielding (Tegan) deliberately had her hair cut very short because she was absolutely fed up with all of the hair gel,colouring and styling that her hair had been subjected to in the previous season.
Tom baker didnt film for anything for this. His and Romanas scene was filmed for the season 17 finale Shada which got cancelled due to strikes and alot was filmed
What's even more interesting is that, when this originally aired on television, it was the first time any of us fans got to see any film clips from Shada.
Ah the five doctors. Not the best story but I consider this a celebration rather than an actual story and as a celebration it works fantastically in my mind. Fun fact this is the only time nicholas courtney actually grew a moustache for playing the brigadier all the other times it was a fake. This was also the last story terrance dicks wrote doctor who on tv and he has to be one of my favourite classic writers as he was also script editor for the whole of the pertwee era. He sadly past away late last year but his impact on doctor who will never be forgotten. On a side note happy anniversary to your dad for next week.
Well, in Terrance Dicks' defence, he had finished first draft when Tom Baker pulled out. Tom later stated he had felt too proprietorial about the role at such a short distance from his own departure. Exactly a year later and we were treated to Patrick Troughton as Cole Hawlings in the BBC adaptation of John Masefield's Christmas book 'The Box Of Delights', I don't think that anyone has reacted to this in which Patrick is again in his element, as with the second Doctor, a role that is essentially a wizard. Richard Hurndall, only slightly younger than his friend William Hartnell, played a character called Nebrox in an episode of 'Blakes Seven' whose resemblance in that, with a similar wig to Hartnell's Doctor, was quite striking and impressive enough to Carol Ann Ford when Hurndall was in full costume. Anthony Ainley's Master was not so ept as Roger Delgado, not quite the master hypnotist, more the melodramatic villian. His last appearance in the role, providing links in the 1997 video game 'Destiny Of The Doctors' is a relishably oily performance, more gleefully Surrealist in nature than Roger's version.
Tom Baker refused to participate, a decision he later regrets that was based on vanity and pride. If you look up publicity photos for this episode, you’ll see that they used a wax sculpture of Tom Baker. It looks quite odd. LOL.
Susan was, of course, played by Carole Ann Ford the same actress. It was, however, a close thing as the producers told her that she was not to refer to the Doctor as 'Grandfather' since that would imply the Doctor was not the asexual being he was then portrayed to be. Miss Ford said that she was not prepared to appear unless her character was true to her original storyline and the producers duly caved in. As surmised, the object was to cram in as many past companions and enemies as possible within the limited budget. Jamie (Fraser Hines) who was most closely associated with the Second Doctor was not available for any more than a cameo as he was committed to a role in a long running soap. Wendy Padbury (Zoe) seems to have largely dropped out of acting to look after her children and build her career as a theatrical agent. The Master was played by Anthony Ainley who was the then current incarnation having taken the role after Delgado's untimely death. Other than the Raston Warrior, all the costumes were existing stock, some having been in storage a long time. The Yeti apparently had to be shot carefully as the costumes were very moth eaten. As every poster has explained, Tom Baker didn't want to take part as he felt it was too close to his leaving (although it is also rumoured that he wanted more of the screen time than the draft script gave him). He has in more recent times said that he regretted that decision. At the end of the day, this was just a bit of fan fun with all the difficulties of fitting in five (or four) leading men with a selection of companions while still trying to fit in some sort of plot.
Man, I hate that. The old consoles have the charm of huge switches and strange controls. The 80s console just looks like an 80s Apple computer. The new series almost does the same thing going from the 9th and 11th Doctor's consoles to the one which was primarily the 12th Doctor's console, which is all buttons again. Way more Star Trek than Doctor Who. And the 80s console has one other huge drawback - it only has two panel designs, tripled to make the hexagon.
"The Time Lords erased your memories of the time you spent with me" Spoilers... well yeah If ya watch the shows out of order, those kind of things is bound to happen
We discussed this briefly on Twitter, but Tom's issue was John Nathan Turner. John Nathan Turner is why he left the show, and John Nathan Turner is why he didn't do this. Re: the Master - without giving any spoilers away, the body the Master is in right now isn't really a Time Lord body. It's no surprise that the First Doctor doesn't recognize him despite their shared past. Also the lack of emotional response that 2, 3, and 5 have to Susan has always bothered me as well, but is kind of typical of Terrance Dicks and his writing style. The Doctor wasn't really ascribed any emotions back then.
I think even if they did acknowledge Susan more meaningfully, there is that matter of time constraints they have to worry about. The biggest enemy of any imaginative screenwriters next to executive meddling and censorship.
I find it quite funny how you say a few times that this story breaks canon from your knowledge of New Who, when in fact it's New Who that ignores or re-writes the canon established in Classic Who. I just find it quirky how you perceive canon from your out-of-sequence perspective, rather than acknowledging that New Who is just changing things for it's own purposes as it suits them.
Pat and Jon had fun together that they kept the fighting up at conventions. There’s a story of at one where Pat came out with a water pistol squirted it at Jon and Jon in turn got Pat back, and has the weekend event went on the pistols got bigger and bigger. A 4th Doctor story that maybe worth a watch is Traken. Sadly Richard Hurndle pasted away not long after this aired, but he said it was a great honour to step in to William Hartnells shoes. Not to give a spoiler but Pat had also passed away by the time the 30th came around. Once you’ve watched the 50th you and your dad must try and watch The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot
Yes, sadly Pat died in 1987. He'd had a dicky heart for a number of years. His last roles being in 'The Dead Of Jericho' in the very first Inspector Morse story and a series called Knights Of God, if my memory is correct? The confrontations between Jon and Pat were irresistable! They could even resist a squabble in a multi-Who-star cheque presentation on Children In Need.
@@ListerDavid April 1984, apparently, if the biog is correct. So close after the episode aired! One of the references for Richard Hurndall pre-deceasing his fee being paid is Lis Sladen's autobiography.
That Master is played by Ainley. His introduction is in this episode: The Keeper of Traken. Fourth looks like he does because that's footage from Shada. As I understand Baker didn't want to participate. Yes, it is the original Susan. *edit cool you confirmed it. So some episode recommendations: For Jamie, you could watch The Macra Terror, The Ice Warriors and The Enemy of the World. For Zoe, you could watch The Wheel in Space, The Invasion and The Seeds of Death. (Yes, they both have episodes in common, but this way you watch more! Also, most likely some are reconstructions.) For Turlough, you could watch his introduction arc: Mawdryn Undead, Terminus and Enlightenment. Yeah, The Mara was the villain. Well, the Third never confronted a Cybermen. About Rassilon, one can say that is odd how the guy that punished people with immortality would throw a hizzy fit because he didn't want to die. Also, more of Time Lord corruption in this episode. That is the neat thing about The Doctor, the character has sort of immortality, but it is not stagnant. With change and character development and also influence others that makes those other characters change and develop as well. Man, I love The Curse of Fatal Death. Yeah, Dimensions in Time is something...
But I designate The Christmas Invasion as 2x0. Otherwise it would be 1x14. Each series has a specified number of episodes and specials need the 0 designation or simply when they were released. As such, the specials between S4 and S5 of New Who I label as "Christmas 2008," "Easter 2009," etc. because there are multiple that can't all be labeled as 5x0.
That is fair enough with NuWho but most reference works on the Classic series group The Five Doctors with Season 20. It is the Twentieth Anniversary after all.
The crossover is with East Enders but that's only been around since 1985. Coronation Street is the soap opera that has been on air longer than most people can remember. It started in Dec 1960 (and still has one of the original actors from episode 1!). Even Emmerdale (which the actor who played Jamie went to after finishing in Dr Who) has been on TV since 1972.
Tegan, unusually, had two non-consecutive terms as companion. She did eventually manage to get back to her air stewardess job, but then she met the Doctor again later, in different circumstances (and hairstyle).
There were no stories, no episodes even, between her departure at the end of season 19 and her reappearance at the beginning of season 20. If that counts as 2 non-consecutive terms then Amy must have had dozens.
@@donaldb1 You're right. It was unusual. In the 60s once you were in the TARDIS you were there till you found a way to get home, found a new place to call home, found the Doctor is leaving without you, or found yourself dying a horrible death. While the 3rd Doctor was making his home on Earth his assistants lived there too but occasionally accompanied him on trips away. Once he was travelling again his companions were permanent shipmates again. Tegan did find herself at home again (and found the Doctor had left without her). (Heathrow rather than Brisbane, but at least it was the right time period.) I'm not sure that she did go back to work straightaway. She seems to have taken to bumming around Europe when she stumbled across the TARDIS again. Big Finish have now fitted loads of stories for the Doctor and Nyssa in the gap, but, as far as the tv series goes, she came back the very next episode. Since 2005 the Doctor's friends have all had lives on Earth as well as in the TARDIS. (Immediate family when Davies ran the show; careers and boyfriends when Moffat did.) Amy, especially, got on with her life while the Doctor wasn't around, and years went by between some stories (and during some stories).
Fun fact, in the original script, 4 was ment to got to the tower with Teegan, and it wasn't just cybermen, Him and Teegan where ment to encounter a platoon of Stontaran Soldiers.
Warning Dimensions in Time is Really BAD and is one of the worst things ever related to Doctor Who. Tom Baker isn't in this Because He didn't Want to be involved so soon after he left so its just Stock footage From a Previous Story Shada. I Love this Story Its one of my Favorite Doctor Who Anniversary.
- Colonel Creighton (brigadier's replacement) was played by an actor who was actually in Patrick Troughton's final episode - "... and the terrible Zoden..." this was a Troughton adlib - Ladies and gentlemen, the first real look inside a dalek - Is it really..." "Me? Yes, I'm afraid so..." 😂 - Anthony Ainley (The Master) was actually terrified that he'd get pelted by a rock and actually did when he hit the ground in the scene with the 5th doc and the Cyberman. - The slaughter of the Cybermen by the Rassilon Warrior robot, was a personal statement from Terrance Dicks about what he thought about the Cybermen themselves... definitely on team Dalek Elizabeth Sladen (Sarah Jane) was beginning to show signs of her pregnancy so they put her in that coat. - "Big... isn't it" 😂🤣😅 - Indiana Jones was 4 years after this episode Thanks for posting, I really enjoy reminiscing with you two
So this was actually my first Classic Who episode (I think i'd seen the first Cushing film and seen Tom Baker clips before) which I got on my 13th birthday and it was kind of the perfect way for me to get into the original series. The 25th anniversary version of this story is what I saw first and it does make for a better watch in my opinion. The story as a whole is ok but upon my last watch did drag a little but nevertheless an entertaining story and probably my "go-to" anniversary episode.
Just made a check of previous comments to make sure what had been explained so I won;t repeat anything. Carol Ann Ford (Susan) has a brief cameo in "Adventures in Space and Time" - blink and you'll miss her. There's a meme of the Doctors deciphering the inscription on the pylon as "Hello, Sweetie!"
Although the title billed five Doctors, Tom Baker didn't appear in the story. He declined to return to his role as the Fourth Doctor, as he felt it was too soon after his departure from the show (a decision he later said he regretted). eclined to return as the His Doctor's part in the special would be downplayed from a personal appearance to a limited role using previously-filmed, but never broadcast, footage from the then abandoned story Shada. The Five Doctors was the 20th Anniversary Special of Doctor Who. It was part of neither season 20 nor 21, but an original Children in Need special, Also, the Doctors Granddaughter was played by the original actress, Carol ANN Ford. Lastly, the master was played by Anthony Ainley who plays the regenerated master from the season on. He’s a great Master and he is very menacing. This was not during a season or series... This show (The 5 Doctors) and the next special you’re watching next week we’re both made for a donation show called “CHILDREN IN NEED” (Which Russel Davies and Steven Moffat continued making Doctor Who specials for Children in Need.
Ah, yes! The one with the triangle of doom, DW action figures, game OF RASSILON & a sneak peak at Shada... lol love this! Edit: Yeah they didn't get Baker at all. You should really watch Shada.
Trapezium of doom, actually. (Still better than the swirly soft-serve icecream scoop of doom they replaced it with in the "updated" special effects on the video.)
The Tom Baker scenes were from a story called "Shada" which wasn't completed due to a strike at the BBC. It's since been completed with animated segments - I hope you choose to react to it someday. (Edit:) And yes, please watch "The Five-ish Doctors".
From what I can gather, most people saw a "special edition" with better effects and a different voice. I've heard what Rassilon sounds like in the other version and I think I prefer it here.
@@jakeoliver9167 The Five Doctors was the first Doctor Who story ever released on home video (VHS) shortly after it was broadcast. As the BBC continued to release Doctor Who on VHS, it became the policy to bundle short, two episode stories with either the story immediately preceding them or immediately following them. So Edge of Destruction came with The Daleks, The Sontaran Experiment came with Genesis of the Daleks etc. When it came time to release The King's Demons on VHS the BBC realized they had already released both the preceding story, Enlightenment, and the subsequent story The Five Doctors. So in order to still be able to charge a premium rate for The King's Demons video they made the"Special Edition" of The Five Doctors to get people to buy The Five Doctors a second time (This maneuver is known as a cynical cash grab). In addition to remastered effects this included never before seen footage such as, The First Doctor eating more pineapple, the Second Doctor and the Brigadier having the exact same conversation twice in two different sections of the Dark Tower, etc. But ironically even less of the Fourth Doctor as they cut the footage of him outside the TARDIS.
Tom Baker didn't want to do fi ve Doctors as he felt it was too soon to get back in the role. However, he regretted it afterwards, and the scene of him was stock footage from another episode
No two Doctors? No seeing Troughton and Baker? this is what called fanwank. It relies on the four Doctors personalities. the scriptwriter terence Dicks had to juggle the Doctors, monsters and companions all together. Which William Hartnell will be your first to watch?
@@stevencassidy6982 When Terrance Dicks, whom many Who fans of my ancient 'nobility' grew up with, gets a bad notice, I can't help but feel the indignance that Snoopy felt when he made a return visit to the Daisy Hill Puppy Farm only to discover it replaced by a multi-storey parking lot and he shouts "YOU'RE PARKING ON MY MEMORIES!!"
It wasn't the most hospitable of environments and in inclement weather an all enveloping cape is just the thing to conceal a hip flask and a fluffy hot water bottle.
Without glancing at the other comments I'm sure that virtually everybody else has explained about Tom Baker and Shada. They mostly kept the Doctors apart so they could each have an opportunity to shine, plus they were worried about a conflict of egos if they had all the actors together (a concern that I think was unfounded). It was originally intended to have the Autons appear to menace the Third Doctor and Sarah Jane, but this idea was ultimately abandoned. I am a big fan of your plan to watch The Curse of Fatal Death as for Dimensions in Time... Sigh. I am a total Doctor Who apologist. I will watch any era of the show, I will rewatch weak episodes in certain circumstances, but Dimensions in Time is just terrible. Really, really cringe inducingly awful. The story that was originally planned for the 30th anniversary had to be abandoned cuz the BBC wouldn't approve it's budget and I think Dimensions in Time was written on a napkin five minutes before they started filming it (I'm being facetious, but it's not far off the truth.). Just a word of warning, Dimensions in Time is about as bad as it gets.
Yup. All the ideas for 'The Dark Dimension' with an elderly 4th Doctor teaming up with the 6 other Doctors fighting redesigned Cybermen, Daleks and The Master sounded epic. Sadly it was not to be and instead we got... Ugh... Can't even think about it anymore.
Personally for the 50th I’d have just redone this but with 6,7,8,9(stuck in the time Eddie) 10 and 11 but they wouldn’t be in it much with lots of famous iconic monsters and companions
Either this or the TIme Medler was my first exposure to Classic Who, so I hope you both like it.... Yeah, I do have to agree that the story wasn't the best handled. As I'm sure others have said, Baker chose not to come back for the special, so they ended up just using clips from an unaired episode, Shada, so they could at least have a bit of him. It would of made far more sense to just cut it. The thing was simultaneously crowded with so many companions, but under-filled. I feel like Susan and the Doctors should of had at least some moment where they address why she left the Tardis. I still like it personally, due to it being the first Classic Who story I bought on DVD back when I was, like, 7, but yeah, it's not the best handled.
Sadly the actor who played Jamie couldnt be involved fully due to the soap he was on. Patricks doctor in this one makes little sense as he had no companions with him - most notably Jamie and Victoria/Zoe
Liam Cahill not really. He was Introduced his era but wasn’t a big part of his era. It was Pertwee’s he was a major character only meeting Troughton a couple of times as he came into the show the 3rd to last story of season 5. Jamie travelled with Troughton for nearly the entire stint and we see him meet the Doctor with his current companions, then we have Victoria then Zoe who Isn’t really a spoiler as their exit got spoiled in this story. Never was Troughtons doctor alone for his meeting the Brigadier make sense. Jamie with either Victoria or Zoe should have been with him.
Thomas Meehan I know it’s Emmerdale/Emmerdale Farm as it was then. But I never watch it and only watched Eastenders. Plus I don’t believe they air in the US at all or if so very difficult so didn’t really see the point in naming it as they probably never heard of it nor get the chance to see it
I love that cloaking device - lucky for the Master considering how cold it was in Wales. I didn't like Richard Hurndall's performance of the First Doctor. David Bradley does a better job. You should've watched the special extended edition with new effects and deleted scenes. Considering all the problems that Terrance Dicks had (Tom's last minute refusal to appear and Frazer's having to work on Emmerdale Farm) it's still a decent story.
I’m confused by your reaction to Richard Hurndall’s version of the First Doctor. My issue with him is that he’s too stern and grumpy, whereas Hartnell always, even before he mellowed somewhat, had that sense of humor and lovable twinkle in his eye that added depth to his portrayal beyond the “cranky old man” people who haven’t seen his era tend to see him as.
@@ftumschk I think the argument can be made that it isn't canonical. The BBC wouldn't approve a budget for the proposed 30th anniversary story, so Dimensions was made instead. And the only way it got made was as a skit for the Children in Need telethon and the actors agreed to waive their fees since it was for charity. (The Five Doctors was broadcast during a Children in Need telethon, but wasn't specifically made for it.) Because the cast wasn't being paid to appear in Dimensions, there was a stipulation in the contract that the BBC couldn't benefit commercially from the skit, so it can never be sold on DVD, available for streaming for a fee etc and therefore can't be available in any Doctor Who collection offered by the BBC. Some private individual who recorded it off television at the time of broadcast has made it available on TH-cam, which is where I presume Alex and his Dad will be watching it. But it exists as a kind of oddity, in a little bubble universe of its own, like House in The Doctor's Wife, but canon or not you have to agree that of everything that was ever made featuring multiple Doctors it's easily the weakest!
Yes,getting Baker to come back to Who was too much of a challenge. This is actually a rather quick replacement script for a story that more heavily featured Baker,but which had to be scrapped when 1) he proved impossible to sign up;and 2) he was turned into a rogue Time-Lord (by all accounts,anyway). This script was therefore put together in something of a hurry. For me,this simply isn't as much fun as The Three Doctor's. It's enjoyable to begin with,but (for me) it starts to lose its impetus from the moment when Sarah Jane rolls down the gently inclining grass slope. After that,it has some fun moments;but it's basically just a Quest storyline. Troughton is always excellent value;and it's great to see the Brig,and an older Susan. As you say,the ultimate lack of interaction between all of the Doctors is a disappointment.
I'm wondering how you managed to get the very original version of this story. All I can find is the remastered one. While I like the extra footage I can do without Darth Rassilon.
Back then we had a specific schedule person who also gave us the episodes. I have no idea where they got them. Now we watch on BritBox which people have been saying has original effects instead of updated ones.
Y’all should react to “the two doctors” 😂 as much as I absolutely I love the two doctors(Patrick troughton is one of my favorite classic doctors), but it makes this crossover look like a masterpiece 😂
It's such a shame that whenever multi-doctor stories happen in Doctor Who, some characters and Doctors can't appear because of unforseen circumstances. And now in 2024, fans are absolutely sick of multi-doctor stories. I had several arguments with Whovians on a DW Facebook group and no matter how hard I tried to defend multi-doctor stories, those people were not having it and were being very toxic and vitriolic about the subject. Thank god I left that group.
@@7thHourFilms The Five Doctors was broadcast in 1983 (same as Season 20), and has nothing in common with Season 21 other than the TARDIS console. Also consider that The Five Doctors acts as Season 20's finale in place of its intended finale - which was postponed due to industrial action.
Tom Baker recently just got fired he wanted to stay on, but cause of that he refused to come bk for this, that's y they trapped him in a time vortex but Alex their 2 different makes of this ep, I've got the annaversary pack wat has 2 dvds same film but few things different in it, the other version is the 4th doctor is returned to his boat with Romana his companion, and instead of all the tardis's flying off one by one the other version is the swirly thing that took them puts them back, oh yh Alex forgot to mention when you saw the 5th doctor fade out while he was lying down, that's when the Time Crash comes into it with the 10th doctor,
@@StephanieMaireFaith Tom offered his resignation and the BBC accepted it. He expected some resistance from the BBC but they accepted his resignation. He wasn't fired. Who would fire the greatest Doctor ever?
Oh christ, not dimensions in time😖😖😖 not even ‘so bad its good’ just...embarrassing lol Five doctors was a special inbetween davisons 2nd and 3rd season. So are u watchin marco polo aftr the curse of fatal death?
Not quite. The next week after Fatal Death will be The Night and Day of The Doctor w/ Dad, then the next week will be An Adventure in Space and Time, then the next week will be Marco Polo.
7th Hour Films right good stuff, lookin forward to that. Glad to hear your at least gunna take a shot of missing episodes with telesnaps, can b hard going. Iv only watchd a few troughton episodes with telesnaps
“Baker doesn’t look too much older”
Me:”about that”
😂
Tom Baker’s scenes were from an unbroadcast/unfinished story called “Shada”. They tried to get him back but he declined because it was too close to when he left, he later regretted it.
Another reason Tom Baker did not appear was supposedly his recent divorce from Lalla Ward who portrayed Romana2 in those scenes lifted from Shada.
@@daviddunaj7900 hrm i don't think so as from what i read she wouldn't have even been in it if baker had agreed originally the 4th doctor would have been paired with sarah Jane the 3rd with the brigadier and the second with Jamie i believe but then jamie proved unavailable except for tiny bit not sure who second would have ended up with 🤔🤷♂️ but then baker declined so problem was solved. Ps apparently Baker wanted to be the centre off story as well which obviously wouldn't have been fair as davison was main doctor.
@@philfitnesspt6139 Yeah Fraser Hines said he filmed that bit during a 2 week holiday from Emmerdale Farm
The Third Doctor actually never had a Cyberman story in his era.
yes it was the original actress playing susan
Writing this was, apparently, a nightmare. The initial author pulled out, Tom Baker declined to participate at the last minute, and the script editor insisted on changing/rejecting/adding various ideas. Also, the producer didn't want too much of the Doctors interacting, believing it would be a 'collision of egos' (one of JNT's many silly ideas) Yes, it's not the best script but it's still a great deal of fun. To be honest, it's hard to not defend Terrance Dicks in any case.
I think he did a great job with the limited time and other constraints he had! One of my favorite stories.
"The Master was supposed to look like Roger Delgado". Actually, this was the current Master during the Davison (and later classic) period. ('Does he still have that rubbish beard?')
I've no doubt they deliberately chose to make Anthony Ainley look like Delgado from the outset. I recall watching Ainley's first appearance as the Master when I was a kid, and - as a Delgado fan - I was ecstatic to see "Delgado" return.
@@ftumschk Same sort of experience, watching with my mother - as a twenty-something. Both Delgado fans and exclaiming loudly and rather obviously at the transition, "that's the new Master!", and couldn't wait for the new episode, and news about it in DWM, and was thrilled at his return appearance. About a decade earlier, Anthony Ainley appeared in a serialised version of Dorothy L Sayer's 'Clouds Of Witness'. Being so much later, I didn't realise until I'd bought the release of the serial. Even without the 'rubbish beard', and the limited appearance in the story, there's no mistaking him due to the distinctiveness of the man.
... well, he has a wife (someone had to do it)
According to Terrance Dicks(the writer) in his original script for The Five Doctors, The Fourth Doctor basically had the Fifth Doctor's role. He would have went to the capitol and took on the President instead of Davison's Doctor. The First Doctor basically stayed in the Tardis with Turlough and Susan and the Fifth Doctor went with Tegan
It was a great touch when Borusa turned to look at the blank stone face he will soon occupy forever.
Something I found out only recently was that Janet Fielding (Tegan) deliberately had her hair cut very short because she was absolutely fed up with all of the hair gel,colouring and styling that her hair had been subjected to in the previous season.
And she looks much better for it
Tom baker didnt film for anything for this. His and Romanas scene was filmed for the season 17 finale Shada which got cancelled due to strikes and alot was filmed
What's even more interesting is that, when this originally aired on television, it was the first time any of us fans got to see any film clips from Shada.
Ah the five doctors. Not the best story but I consider this a celebration rather than an actual story and as a celebration it works fantastically in my mind. Fun fact this is the only time nicholas courtney actually grew a moustache for playing the brigadier all the other times it was a fake.
This was also the last story terrance dicks wrote doctor who on tv and he has to be one of my favourite classic writers as he was also script editor for the whole of the pertwee era. He sadly past away late last year but his impact on doctor who will never be forgotten.
On a side note happy anniversary to your dad for next week.
Well, in Terrance Dicks' defence, he had finished first draft when Tom Baker pulled out. Tom later stated he had felt too proprietorial about the role at such a short distance from his own departure. Exactly a year later and we were treated to Patrick Troughton as Cole Hawlings in the BBC adaptation of John Masefield's Christmas book 'The Box Of Delights', I don't think that anyone has reacted to this in which Patrick is again in his element, as with the second Doctor, a role that is essentially a wizard. Richard Hurndall, only slightly younger than his friend William Hartnell, played a character called Nebrox in an episode of 'Blakes Seven' whose resemblance in that, with a similar wig to Hartnell's Doctor, was quite striking and impressive enough to Carol Ann Ford when Hurndall was in full costume. Anthony Ainley's Master was not so ept as Roger Delgado, not quite the master hypnotist, more the melodramatic villian. His last appearance in the role, providing links in the 1997 video game 'Destiny Of The Doctors' is a relishably oily performance, more gleefully Surrealist in nature than Roger's version.
Tom Baker refused to participate, a decision he later regrets that was based on vanity and pride. If you look up publicity photos for this episode, you’ll see that they used a wax sculpture of Tom Baker. It looks quite odd. LOL.
Probably better that he did in terms of the execution of the story. It's way more easy to balance four main characters than 5.
Susan was, of course, played by Carole Ann Ford the same actress. It was, however, a close thing as the producers told her that she was not to refer to the Doctor as 'Grandfather' since that would imply the Doctor was not the asexual being he was then portrayed to be. Miss Ford said that she was not prepared to appear unless her character was true to her original storyline and the producers duly caved in.
As surmised, the object was to cram in as many past companions and enemies as possible within the limited budget. Jamie (Fraser Hines) who was most closely associated with the Second Doctor was not available for any more than a cameo as he was committed to a role in a long running soap. Wendy Padbury (Zoe) seems to have largely dropped out of acting to look after her children and build her career as a theatrical agent.
The Master was played by Anthony Ainley who was the then current incarnation having taken the role after Delgado's untimely death. Other than the Raston Warrior, all the costumes were existing stock, some having been in storage a long time. The Yeti apparently had to be shot carefully as the costumes were very moth eaten.
As every poster has explained, Tom Baker didn't want to take part as he felt it was too close to his leaving (although it is also rumoured that he wanted more of the screen time than the draft script gave him). He has in more recent times said that he regretted that decision.
At the end of the day, this was just a bit of fan fun with all the difficulties of fitting in five (or four) leading men with a selection of companions while still trying to fit in some sort of plot.
I love how this console is just BUTTONS endless buttons all basically the same but just different colours
Man, I hate that. The old consoles have the charm of huge switches and strange controls. The 80s console just looks like an 80s Apple computer. The new series almost does the same thing going from the 9th and 11th Doctor's consoles to the one which was primarily the 12th Doctor's console, which is all buttons again. Way more Star Trek than Doctor Who. And the 80s console has one other huge drawback - it only has two panel designs, tripled to make the hexagon.
"The Time Lords erased your memories of the time you spent with me" Spoilers... well yeah If ya watch the shows out of order, those kind of things is bound to happen
No, NOT THE MIND PROBE
It's not a 'mind' probe. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Nothing could have prepared me for actually hearing that line.
We discussed this briefly on Twitter, but Tom's issue was John Nathan Turner. John Nathan Turner is why he left the show, and John Nathan Turner is why he didn't do this. Re: the Master - without giving any spoilers away, the body the Master is in right now isn't really a Time Lord body. It's no surprise that the First Doctor doesn't recognize him despite their shared past. Also the lack of emotional response that 2, 3, and 5 have to Susan has always bothered me as well, but is kind of typical of Terrance Dicks and his writing style. The Doctor wasn't really ascribed any emotions back then.
I think even if they did acknowledge Susan more meaningfully, there is that matter of time constraints they have to worry about. The biggest enemy of any imaginative screenwriters next to executive meddling and censorship.
Can’t wait for you to see the writer’s credit on The Curse of Fatal Death.
I find it quite funny how you say a few times that this story breaks canon from your knowledge of New Who, when in fact it's New Who that ignores or re-writes the canon established in Classic Who. I just find it quirky how you perceive canon from your out-of-sequence perspective, rather than acknowledging that New Who is just changing things for it's own purposes as it suits them.
Very weird, indeed!
11:31 The Gallifrey Death Zone scenes were filmed in North Wales.
Pat and Jon had fun together that they kept the fighting up at conventions. There’s a story of at one where Pat came out with a water pistol squirted it at Jon and Jon in turn got Pat back, and has the weekend event went on the pistols got bigger and bigger.
A 4th Doctor story that maybe worth a watch is Traken.
Sadly Richard Hurndle pasted away not long after this aired, but he said it was a great honour to step in to William Hartnells shoes.
Not to give a spoiler but Pat had also passed away by the time the 30th came around.
Once you’ve watched the 50th you and your dad must try and watch The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot
Yes, sadly Pat died in 1987. He'd had a dicky heart for a number of years. His last roles being in 'The Dead Of Jericho' in the very first Inspector Morse story and a series called Knights Of God, if my memory is correct? The confrontations between Jon and Pat were irresistable! They could even resist a squabble in a multi-Who-star cheque presentation on Children In Need.
Wasn't it the case that Richard Hurndall died before he received his fee for this episode?
It may have been, I know it was close after filming or after it aired.
@@ListerDavid April 1984, apparently, if the biog is correct. So close after the episode aired! One of the references for Richard Hurndall pre-deceasing his fee being paid is Lis Sladen's autobiography.
4:50 - Happy (advance) 34th anniversary!
There's also 'THE TWO DOCTORS' which is between 'THE FIVE DOCTORS' and 'DIMENSIONS IN TIME' - in terms of multi Doctor Who stories.
That Master is played by Ainley. His introduction is in this episode: The Keeper of Traken.
Fourth looks like he does because that's footage from Shada. As I understand Baker didn't want to participate.
Yes, it is the original Susan. *edit cool you confirmed it.
So some episode recommendations:
For Jamie, you could watch The Macra Terror, The Ice Warriors and The Enemy of the World.
For Zoe, you could watch The Wheel in Space, The Invasion and The Seeds of Death.
(Yes, they both have episodes in common, but this way you watch more! Also, most likely some are reconstructions.)
For Turlough, you could watch his introduction arc: Mawdryn Undead, Terminus and Enlightenment.
Yeah, The Mara was the villain.
Well, the Third never confronted a Cybermen.
About Rassilon, one can say that is odd how the guy that punished people with immortality would throw a hizzy fit because he didn't want to die. Also, more of Time Lord corruption in this episode.
That is the neat thing about The Doctor, the character has sort of immortality, but it is not stagnant. With change and character development and also influence others that makes those other characters change and develop as well.
Man, I love The Curse of Fatal Death. Yeah, Dimensions in Time is something...
The Five Doctors was made in the same recording block as the 20th season in March 1983 so should be designated as 20x7 rather than 21x0.
But I designate The Christmas Invasion as 2x0. Otherwise it would be 1x14. Each series has a specified number of episodes and specials need the 0 designation or simply when they were released. As such, the specials between S4 and S5 of New Who I label as "Christmas 2008," "Easter 2009," etc. because there are multiple that can't all be labeled as 5x0.
That is fair enough with NuWho but most reference works on the Classic series group The Five Doctors with Season 20. It is the Twentieth Anniversary after all.
Keith Hodiak played the Raston Robot. He also featured in Are You Being Served? as Mr Harman's assistant, Seymour in the penultimate series.
The crossover is with East Enders but that's only been around since 1985. Coronation Street is the soap opera that has been on air longer than most people can remember. It started in Dec 1960 (and still has one of the original actors from episode 1!). Even Emmerdale (which the actor who played Jamie went to after finishing in Dr Who) has been on TV since 1972.
Pertwee was 64 and Troughton 63 when they filmed this.
Tegan, unusually, had two non-consecutive terms as companion. She did eventually manage to get back to her air stewardess job, but then she met the Doctor again later, in different circumstances (and hairstyle).
There were no stories, no episodes even, between her departure at the end of season 19 and her reappearance at the beginning of season 20.
If that counts as 2 non-consecutive terms then Amy must have had dozens.
@@paulkennedy8701 Oh, ok. I misremembered. Thanks.
But I think I'm still right in remembering that she got home, then came back to the Tardis again, which was pretty unusual in those days.
@@donaldb1
You're right. It was unusual. In the 60s once you were in the TARDIS you were there till you found a way to get home, found a new place to call home, found the Doctor is leaving without you, or found yourself dying a horrible death.
While the 3rd Doctor was making his home on Earth his assistants lived there too but occasionally accompanied him on trips away.
Once he was travelling again his companions were permanent shipmates again.
Tegan did find herself at home again (and found the Doctor had left without her). (Heathrow rather than Brisbane, but at least it was the right time period.) I'm not sure that she did go back to work straightaway. She seems to have taken to bumming around Europe when she stumbled across the TARDIS again.
Big Finish have now fitted loads of stories for the Doctor and Nyssa in the gap, but, as far as the tv series goes, she came back the very next episode.
Since 2005 the Doctor's friends have all had lives on Earth as well as in the TARDIS. (Immediate family when Davies ran the show; careers and boyfriends when Moffat did.) Amy, especially, got on with her life while the Doctor wasn't around, and years went by between some stories (and during some stories).
The Last Crusade was several years after this. I wouldn't suggest that Spielberg was influenced by a novelty Dr Who story, but you never know.
Fun fact, in the original script, 4 was ment to got to the tower with Teegan, and it wasn't just cybermen, Him and Teegan where ment to encounter a platoon of Stontaran Soldiers.
This is the first time Sarah Jane and k9 met in the show
In the main show,you mean?
They,of course,met up in K9 and Co.
Tom baker didn't actually participate. His two scenes were old footage from an unfinished episode called shada.
Warning Dimensions in Time is Really BAD and is one of the worst things ever related to Doctor Who. Tom Baker isn't in this Because He didn't Want to be involved so soon after he left so its just Stock footage From a Previous Story Shada. I Love this Story Its one of my Favorite Doctor Who Anniversary.
It was actually filmed in a small welsh Village.
Had this story on vhs growin up, but it was the 90s re-release with updated effects. Rele not used to seeing this original version haha
The Master was not meant to look like anyone. He is the master for the rest of classic who
- Colonel Creighton (brigadier's replacement) was played by an actor who was actually in Patrick Troughton's final episode
- "... and the terrible Zoden..." this was a Troughton adlib
- Ladies and gentlemen, the first real look inside a dalek
- Is it really..."
"Me? Yes, I'm afraid so..."
😂
- Anthony Ainley (The Master) was actually terrified that he'd get pelted by a rock and actually did when he hit the ground in the scene with the 5th doc and the Cyberman.
- The slaughter of the Cybermen by the Rassilon Warrior robot, was a personal statement from Terrance Dicks about what he thought about the Cybermen themselves... definitely on team Dalek
Elizabeth Sladen (Sarah Jane) was beginning to show signs of her pregnancy so they put her in that coat.
- "Big... isn't it" 😂🤣😅
- Indiana Jones was 4 years after this episode
Thanks for posting, I really enjoy reminiscing with you two
my family have a holiday house in Tavistock, its a really nice place
theblondguy: Any pictures? ~Dad
So this was actually my first Classic Who episode (I think i'd seen the first Cushing film and seen Tom Baker clips before) which I got on my 13th birthday and it was kind of the perfect way for me to get into the original series. The 25th anniversary version of this story is what I saw first and it does make for a better watch in my opinion. The story as a whole is ok but upon my last watch did drag a little but nevertheless an entertaining story and probably my "go-to" anniversary episode.
Just made a check of previous comments to make sure what had been explained so I won;t repeat anything. Carol Ann Ford (Susan) has a brief cameo in "Adventures in Space and Time" - blink and you'll miss her. There's a meme of the Doctors deciphering the inscription on the pylon as "Hello, Sweetie!"
Baker's scenes were from Shada - an un-aired episode - which you totally should react to cause they released it later with animated footage
:D
You get a like just as local Plymouthian here in the UK
Unfortunately the press release had already gone out for the special as "The Five Doctors" when Tom pulled out, which complicated matters.
Fingers crossed for trial of the time lord.
It's not coming up in this final "Tour of Classic Who" so we'll watch it when we get there chronologically.
@@7thHourFilms Alex, trust me when I say you don't want to be in any rush to get to that story!
Which version of this was it? I don't remember seeing that clip of Baker and Romana in the TARDIS at the end.
Although the title billed five
Doctors, Tom Baker didn't appear in the story. He declined to return to his role as the Fourth Doctor, as he felt it was too soon after his departure from the show (a decision he later said he regretted).
eclined to return as the
His Doctor's part in the special would be downplayed from a personal appearance to a limited role using previously-filmed, but never broadcast, footage from the then abandoned story Shada.
The Five Doctors was the 20th Anniversary Special of Doctor Who. It was part of neither season 20 nor 21, but an original Children in Need special,
Also, the Doctors Granddaughter was played by the original actress, Carol ANN Ford. Lastly, the master was played by Anthony Ainley who plays the regenerated master from the season on. He’s a great Master and he is very menacing.
This was not during a season or series... This show (The 5 Doctors) and the next special you’re watching next week we’re both made for a donation show called “CHILDREN IN NEED” (Which Russel Davies and Steven Moffat continued making Doctor Who specials for Children in Need.
Don't forget to watch the blind wave reaction to this in your spare time it's hilarious
Don’t forget to watch Night of the Doctor before you watch the 50th Anniversary. It’s a short minisode that aired just before the 50th
Terrance Dicks wrote a novel called The Eight Doctors
Actually that body was “the master” possessing another character in doctor who... it wasn’t technically a “regeneration”
Ah, yes! The one with the triangle of doom, DW action figures, game OF RASSILON & a sneak peak at Shada... lol love this!
Edit: Yeah they didn't get Baker at all. You should really watch Shada.
Trapezium of doom, actually. (Still better than the swirly soft-serve icecream scoop of doom they replaced it with in the "updated" special effects on the video.)
The Tom Baker scenes were from a story called "Shada" which wasn't completed due to a strike at the BBC. It's since been completed with animated segments - I hope you choose to react to it someday. (Edit:) And yes, please watch "The Five-ish Doctors".
Why are the triangle prisons and rassilons voice in their version so different to the one I watched? Also I never saw the final Tom baker scene.
From what I can gather, most people saw a "special edition" with better effects and a different voice. I've heard what Rassilon sounds like in the other version and I think I prefer it here.
7th Hour Films ah ok. His voice sounds so weird to me here 😅 like it doesn’t fit.
@@jakeoliver9167 The Five Doctors was the first Doctor Who story ever released on home video (VHS) shortly after it was broadcast. As the BBC continued to release Doctor Who on VHS, it became the policy to bundle short, two episode stories with either the story immediately preceding them or immediately following them. So Edge of Destruction came with The Daleks, The Sontaran Experiment came with Genesis of the Daleks etc. When it came time to release The King's Demons on VHS the BBC realized they had already released both the preceding story, Enlightenment, and the subsequent story The Five Doctors. So in order to still be able to charge a premium rate for The King's Demons video they made the"Special Edition" of The Five Doctors to get people to buy The Five Doctors a second time (This maneuver is known as a cynical cash grab). In addition to remastered effects this included never before seen footage such as, The First Doctor eating more pineapple, the Second Doctor and the Brigadier having the exact same conversation twice in two different sections of the Dark Tower, etc. But ironically even less of the Fourth Doctor as they cut the footage of him outside the TARDIS.
Brace yourself for DiT.
It's...unusual
- to put it mildly :D
And Curse of Fatal Death is also interesting, to say the least. It gets a lot of love from fans, but objectively speaking, it's not super good.
Baker didn't agree to participate. Footage from an unfinished story was used.
Also one of my first doctor who stories ever
Tom Baker didn't want to do fi ve Doctors as he felt it was too soon to get back in the role. However, he regretted it afterwards, and the scene of him was stock footage from another episode
You guys should watch More Than 30 Years In The Tardis
No two Doctors? No seeing Troughton and Baker? this is what called fanwank. It relies on the four Doctors personalities. the scriptwriter terence Dicks had to juggle the Doctors, monsters and companions all together. Which William Hartnell will be your first to watch?
As for a bad crit on a script by Terrance Dicks. Whoa.
@@josefschiltz2192 Yeah I didn't believe that. God help them with the 13 Doctors when only five of them appear
@@stevencassidy6982 When Terrance Dicks, whom many Who fans of my ancient 'nobility' grew up with, gets a bad notice, I can't help but feel the indignance that Snoopy felt when he made a return visit to the Daisy Hill Puppy Farm only to discover it replaced by a multi-storey parking lot and he shouts "YOU'RE PARKING ON MY MEMORIES!!"
The Master was rocking those Dracula capes before it was cool.
It wasn't the most hospitable of environments and in inclement weather an all enveloping cape is just the thing to conceal a hip flask and a fluffy hot water bottle.
@@josefschiltz2192 This is now just as canon as Grand Moff Tarkin's comfy slippers.
@@glenmcculla6843 Comfort is everything.
Without glancing at the other comments I'm sure that virtually everybody else has explained about Tom Baker and Shada. They mostly kept the Doctors apart so they could each have an opportunity to shine, plus they were worried about a conflict of egos if they had all the actors together (a concern that I think was unfounded). It was originally intended to have the Autons appear to menace the Third Doctor and Sarah Jane, but this idea was ultimately abandoned. I am a big fan of your plan to watch The Curse of Fatal Death as for Dimensions in Time... Sigh. I am a total Doctor Who apologist. I will watch any era of the show, I will rewatch weak episodes in certain circumstances, but Dimensions in Time is just terrible. Really, really cringe inducingly awful. The story that was originally planned for the 30th anniversary had to be abandoned cuz the BBC wouldn't approve it's budget and I think Dimensions in Time was written on a napkin five minutes before they started filming it (I'm being facetious, but it's not far off the truth.). Just a word of warning, Dimensions in Time is about as bad as it gets.
Yup. All the ideas for 'The Dark Dimension' with an elderly 4th Doctor teaming up with the 6 other Doctors fighting redesigned Cybermen, Daleks and The Master sounded epic. Sadly it was not to be and instead we got... Ugh... Can't even think about it anymore.
When you get to the 50th can you both watch it? It's a good anniversary and is comparable to these classic anniversary episodes
Well, I'm watching it first next week then we'll watch it together the following week.
Personally for the 50th I’d have just redone this but with 6,7,8,9(stuck in the time Eddie) 10 and 11 but they wouldn’t be in it much with lots of famous iconic monsters and companions
Either this or the TIme Medler was my first exposure to Classic Who, so I hope you both like it....
Yeah, I do have to agree that the story wasn't the best handled. As I'm sure others have said, Baker chose not to come back for the special, so they ended up just using clips from an unaired episode, Shada, so they could at least have a bit of him. It would of made far more sense to just cut it. The thing was simultaneously crowded with so many companions, but under-filled. I feel like Susan and the Doctors should of had at least some moment where they address why she left the Tardis. I still like it personally, due to it being the first Classic Who story I bought on DVD back when I was, like, 7, but yeah, it's not the best handled.
Sadly the actor who played Jamie couldnt be involved fully due to the soap he was on. Patricks doctor in this one makes little sense as he had no companions with him - most notably Jamie and Victoria/Zoe
Well Troughton did have Brigadier as a big part of his era :p
Liam Cahill not really. He was Introduced his era but wasn’t a big part of his era. It was Pertwee’s he was a major character only meeting Troughton a couple of times as he came into the show the 3rd to last story of season 5.
Jamie travelled with Troughton for nearly the entire stint and we see him meet the Doctor with his current companions, then we have Victoria then Zoe who Isn’t really a spoiler as their exit got spoiled in this story. Never was Troughtons doctor alone for his meeting the Brigadier make sense. Jamie with either Victoria or Zoe should have been with him.
Thomas Meehan I know it’s Emmerdale/Emmerdale Farm as it was then. But I never watch it and only watched Eastenders. Plus I don’t believe they air in the US at all or if so very difficult so didn’t really see the point in naming it as they probably never heard of it nor get the chance to see it
This just helps to prove the season 6 B theory.
cameraphone120 I hate that story for the same reason among it being too long, a messed up jumbled snoozefest and annoying characters.
I love that cloaking device - lucky for the Master considering how cold it was in Wales. I didn't like Richard Hurndall's performance of the First Doctor. David Bradley does a better job. You should've watched the special extended edition with new effects and deleted scenes. Considering all the problems that Terrance Dicks had (Tom's last minute refusal to appear and Frazer's having to work on Emmerdale Farm) it's still a decent story.
How did you like the disco dance floor of death?
I’m confused by your reaction to Richard Hurndall’s version of the First Doctor. My issue with him is that he’s too stern and grumpy, whereas Hartnell always, even before he mellowed somewhat, had that sense of humor and lovable twinkle in his eye that added depth to his portrayal beyond the “cranky old man” people who haven’t seen his era tend to see him as.
Will you both be watching the two doctors with baker and Troughton, or have you already reviewed it?
Haven't seen it and have no plans for it. Didn't even know it existed. It's not on the schedule.
@@7thHourFilms The Two Doctors is probably the weakest "multi-Doctor" story, so you won't miss much.
@@ftumschk *Cough* Dimensions in Time* Cough.
@@whobp8 I hope Dimensions isn't considered canonical!
@@ftumschk I think the argument can be made that it isn't canonical. The BBC wouldn't approve a budget for the proposed 30th anniversary story, so Dimensions was made instead. And the only way it got made was as a skit for the Children in Need telethon and the actors agreed to waive their fees since it was for charity. (The Five Doctors was broadcast during a Children in Need telethon, but wasn't specifically made for it.) Because the cast wasn't being paid to appear in Dimensions, there was a stipulation in the contract that the BBC couldn't benefit commercially from the skit, so it can never be sold on DVD, available for streaming for a fee etc and therefore can't be available in any Doctor Who collection offered by the BBC. Some private individual who recorded it off television at the time of broadcast has made it available on TH-cam, which is where I presume Alex and his Dad will be watching it. But it exists as a kind of oddity, in a little bubble universe of its own, like House in The Doctor's Wife, but canon or not you have to agree that of everything that was ever made featuring multiple Doctors it's easily the weakest!
Yes,getting Baker to come back to Who was too much of a challenge.
This is actually a rather quick replacement script for a story that more heavily featured Baker,but which had to be scrapped when 1) he proved impossible to sign up;and 2) he was turned into a rogue Time-Lord (by all accounts,anyway).
This script was therefore put together in something of a hurry.
For me,this simply isn't as much fun as The Three Doctor's. It's enjoyable to begin with,but (for me) it starts to lose its impetus from the moment when Sarah Jane rolls down the gently inclining grass slope. After that,it has some fun moments;but it's basically just a Quest storyline.
Troughton is always excellent value;and it's great to see the Brig,and an older Susan.
As you say,the ultimate lack of interaction between all of the Doctors is a disappointment.
I'm wondering how you managed to get the very original version of this story. All I can find is the remastered one. While I like the extra footage I can do without Darth Rassilon.
Back then we had a specific schedule person who also gave us the episodes. I have no idea where they got them. Now we watch on BritBox which people have been saying has original effects instead of updated ones.
Tom Baker hasn't changed much? Yeah, he's got younger.. 😆
Y’all should react to “the two doctors” 😂 as much as I absolutely I love the two doctors(Patrick troughton is one of my favorite classic doctors), but it makes this crossover look like a masterpiece 😂
Can't wait.
It's such a shame that whenever multi-doctor stories happen in Doctor Who, some characters and Doctors can't appear because of unforseen circumstances. And now in 2024, fans are absolutely sick of multi-doctor stories. I had several arguments with Whovians on a DW Facebook group and no matter how hard I tried to defend multi-doctor stories, those people were not having it and were being very toxic and vitriolic about the subject. Thank god I left that group.
NOOOOO not dimensions in time D:
This should actually be a 20x7, not 21x0.
But The Christmas Invasion is 2x0 not 1x14.
@@7thHourFilms The Five Doctors was broadcast in 1983 (same as Season 20), and has nothing in common with Season 21 other than the TARDIS console. Also consider that The Five Doctors acts as Season 20's finale in place of its intended finale - which was postponed due to industrial action.
Tom Baker recently just got fired he wanted to stay on, but cause of that he refused to come bk for this, that's y they trapped him in a time vortex but Alex their 2 different makes of this ep, I've got the annaversary pack wat has 2 dvds same film but few things different in it, the other version is the 4th doctor is returned to his boat with Romana his companion, and instead of all the tardis's flying off one by one the other version is the swirly thing that took them puts them back, oh yh Alex forgot to mention when you saw the 5th doctor fade out while he was lying down, that's when the Time Crash comes into it with the 10th doctor,
Tom Baker did not get fired. Colin Baker is the only Doctor Who actor who was fired from the role.
@@Rocket1377 well i was told and actually heard he wanted to stay on but they would not allow it, so technically he got fired,
@Thomas Meehan i have watch the keeper of takken and logopolis and castravalva
@@StephanieMaireFaith Tom offered his resignation and the BBC accepted it. He expected some resistance from the BBC but they accepted his resignation. He wasn't fired. Who would fire the greatest Doctor ever?
@@paulrichards4452 agreed
Oh christ, not dimensions in time😖😖😖 not even ‘so bad its good’ just...embarrassing lol
Five doctors was a special inbetween davisons 2nd and 3rd season. So are u watchin marco polo aftr the curse of fatal death?
Not quite. The next week after Fatal Death will be The Night and Day of The Doctor w/ Dad, then the next week will be An Adventure in Space and Time, then the next week will be Marco Polo.
7th Hour Films right good stuff, lookin forward to that. Glad to hear your at least gunna take a shot of missing episodes with telesnaps, can b hard going. Iv only watchd a few troughton episodes with telesnaps
@@7thHourFilms Oh Alex, congratulations of the day, regarding your Dad's anniversary. 💒
Also one of my first doctor who stories ever
Also one of my first doctor who stories ever