Thanks for the info on speed ticks. I have been looking for a good introduction to them. Keep up the great content. I really appreciate how clear you make things.
Strip Buffer#1 DPS Buffer#2 Or if you have an atk bar buffer (increases the atk bar) they move first. Example, like Bernard who does Tailwind that increases atk bar gauge
This deserves my like. All of this information is actually informative. Some of this I didn't knew or truly understand about and i been playing for3 yrs now. Thanks for the tip btw :)
Super glad u want over ticks at the end! Have u thought about doing an Oracle spd tick video? I've heard so much about searas s1 and being at 239 spd. I'd like to know more though. Just an idea. Nice work sir.
I have to be honest, I had not come across the 239 speed number, so I'm not positive. My assumption here is that it is because it will allow a CR seara to cut: At tick 6: * 358spd, 4-tick monster: 50.12 atk bar (having gone already) * 5-tick monster: 20.02 atk bar (gone already) * Seara 0 atk bar (she went, but we're not processing ticks yet) At tick 7: * 358spd monster 50.12atb * 286 spd monster 20.02atb * Seara 45.00atb At tick 11: * 358 speed monster went of course * 286 speed monster: 100.1 atb * Seara: 111.92atb
Woot woot so glad it helped!! And thank you for becoming a member!!! :) (It's weird TH-cam didn't notify me). Are you in the Discord server yet? If so, what's your name there? If not, here's the link :) discord.gg/tfkn3Y
The funniest part was Seara procced twice, landed the bomb and killed Rakan when that happened :p But I had stopped talking at that point and was planning to just finish the fight, so I had to edit that part out because it was just silence hehehe.
Another great video. Now the question. I use a Psama / Bastet / 2x Lushen a lot. After Bastet ATB boost and when my slower Lushen unload his cards, I've been in a situations, where enemy team member have cut inbetween my Lushens even when my first Lushen was 1 speed slower then my second. And NO there was no Nemesis runes on the unit that cut inbetween. What happen there? Might be, that my second/stronger/slower Lushen wasn't boosted enought by Bastet to go after the first one?
It has to do with how ticks work. The short answer is that attack bar boost has diminishing effects because other monsters "catch up" to you after each turn. The longer answer is explained in the last few mins of this video - if it didn't quite make sense, message me in Discord and I'll try to help (too long of an answer for comments). Discord link in video desc. if you're not there yet
@@XennialGamer I thought so too.. especially when that computation, but it explains a lot. Base speed is very critical, especially we are talking about percentage. Thanks man!
I've returned to the game after a year and a half. Joined at the beginning of 6th anniversary event. And had the extra bonus of the new players 1 month daily gift as well. So I had a great 30 day start for progress with the exception of monster diversity and skills. I just started branching out after finally starting to slow up as a free player once all the events and gifts dried up for me. Recently just got three new mons for expanding my teams and diversifying skills. But I tend to jump around because I don't want to grind in the same spot and do the same thing for 3 hours at a time. Anyway, I'm slowly working my way through and am excited for Free Rune Removal. Every time I adjust my runes, my mons come out better. Can't wait to play more and mix and match with: String master (I get tomorrow from event points) Lupinus (wind magic knight) Gina (dark witch) and Fran. I like putting Fran and Gina together so far. My idea is to keep Gina either last in the group or second to last for her third skill which sleeps the enemy. That way I don't wake them up by having her first in turn order.
I recently played a friendly rta match with someone that was a great demonstration in runes versus skills. I had faster runed mons and stronger hitters. But he had a whole diff set of mons with skills that made our diff in runes not matter much. If I had resistance and more control in my monster makeup, I probably would have had a much easier time because i could see that my runes were better. But it was certainly not an arena team.
Yeah it's what makes the game so great. The infinite possibilities of checks and balances :p I'm really happy you came back to the game and enjoyed the event! It's good to see people returning and enthusiastic about the game! I've never built Gina myself, but it sounds like you have the right idea, having her sleep the enemy at the end (as long as you are faster). Later when yuo face more will runes, you'll need to pair sleepers with strippers, but probably not an issue yet :)
My goal is to overcome the amazing synergy in TOAN50 OMG. Its insane. Double Hwadam Double Perna and Veromos boss. They feed into each others HP pool in this chain. I don't have a strong enough team to break the links in the chain fast enough before my team gets worn out. But building Fran, Gina and getting a stringmaster all during FRR week...who knows. I might just make it in time to complete that summoners way challenge by completing toan50. But this team combo is amazing. The pernas nuke off one of my members too fast. Been stuck on 50 for days.
hey really nice vid, by the way, i tried to build your db10 speed team, semmed really good, but have encountered a problem... my lyn hits for only 40K, max skilled, is it my lack of towers or is it becuase its unawakened? cdmg: 192
Great explanation and the guide on using the speed tuning app really makes things simple! I am curious why Bernard is your fastest runed monster when you have a Tiana. I pretty much put my best swift set on Tiana when I got her and never took them out...
Bernard being my fastest monster was actually kind of random, I never even used him and he's been de-runed since then :p My Tiana was pretty new when I recorded that video, and I've since actually runed her much more slowly for a shield will cleave team - my fastest monster is actually Bastet now, which is who I use for my AOs.
Yooo XG thanks a lot for the video, as for the content maybe my brain exploded but a higher rank friend of mine told me that ticks for rta and non rta content are different, maybe you could explain that? Or maybe i missed it in this video. As for the next video suggestion/wishlist probably f2p teams (not only fusionable of course) but maybe mostly consist of *4 for c3+ rank in arena offense (like tiana triton replaced by clara aquila maybe?) And f2p team to tackle guardian siege like copper dozer but since we have 30 units to attack, we don't want to build 10 dozer and 10 copper do we? Thanks a lot!
Heya Cyper, thanks a lot for the suggestions, very much appreciated :) Yes RTA ticks are different, they just go 1.5% faster, so the same concepts apply. I didn't mention it in the video since it was already information overload haha - maybe I should have. BTW I've got Qeb-Kata-Bale autowin team (all fusionable in this case) already recorded, should have that video coming tomorrow. After that in the series will likely be Khali-Chloe-Covenant which is 2x 4* non-fusions :p
@@SSCypher Yeah.. the trick will be finding teams that people can access. At a certain point I'll have to bring some Nat5s or LD4s into the series. But I can also do more than 10 teams os hopefully people can find teams they DO have access to :p
Came across your channel by accident and I love the content you do! Also send your channel to my buddies and they love your guides aswell :D Greeting from Germany
Thanks Dracobs, that's really awesome, and I appreicate your sharing the channel! :) Are you in the Discord server yet? I know we have quite a few from Germany here. If not, here's the link: discord.gg/tfkn3Y
Hey @Xennial, I have a question: Let's say I use the optimizer to speed tune and have a atk bar booster at first slot.Than I put in a second monster like Lushen and it calculates the minimum speed I need, to have it speed tuned. Fine! let's remember that minimum speed. Than at third I put in a very slow monster. What happens is, that Lushens minimum speed is recalculated as well, and it rises... But why? Why must the 2nd monster in the turnorder be faster, if there is a third and needs less speed, if it would only be two monsters?
Honestly I'm not sure Tim. Been thinking on this one for 5 minutes now LOL. It doesn't make sense to me either. It's possible there's a glitch in SWOP, but my instinct is that if it were a bug it would've been discovered long ago. So more likely there's an additional mechanic I don't know about. Sorry I can't answer this one :/
Thats because whenever someone takes a turn..on that tick only he can take the turn..other monsters turn are pushed to next speed tick even if they are past 100% attack bar..attack bar can go beyond 100% ..so bcz the monster turns get pushed..lower speed monster now compete for next tick ..which makes it difficult for them to get a turn. .hope this is not confusing I tried simple example ..actal turn order cannot be explained without example
@@mamamoolover2534 Let me rephrase. Adding a third slower monster should not affect the speed/attack bar of the 2nd monster that was already there and calculated :p
Well the ticks apply everywhere - but the cairos and toa monsters are very slow, so generally if you've attach bar boosted, they will not be able to cut you. However, the things like combat speed and turn order (and adjusting for speed leads) still matter everywhere :)
Hey. Great video. Question about ticks. Say bernard atp boosts and put speed buff. My next mon goes from a 6 tick to 5 tick. How does that affect the over all turn order if my opponent has 5 tick mons. I hope that wasn’t too confusing. Thanks.
Heya Wolf - one thing to keep in mind is that only 1 series of ticks will occur between when Bernard buffs and when the next monster moves. This is gonna be complicated, so let's use some made-up numbers (please note this is for demonstration, not the real in-game numbers). For our made-up numbers, we'll say that we gain 10% of speed per tick instead of 7%. Bernard is 100 speed. At the 10 tick mark, he has exactly 100% atb. The enemy team is all 80 speed, they all have 80% atb at the 10 tick mark. Your remaining team is all 50 speed, they all have 50% atb at the 10 tick mark. Bernard buffs, your team all moves to 80% atb - everyone is tied. Your team now all have 65 speed (Bernard 130). At the 11 tick mark, they all move to 86.5 atb, while the enemy is 88 atb. At the 12 tick mark they move to 93 atb, while the enemy is 96atb - At the 13 tick mark, they move to 99.5 atb, while the enemy is at 104atb. Let's do this SAME example, but your team is now 70 speed: Buff makes them 91 speed. 11 tick is 89.1 atb, 12 tick is 98.9 atb, 13 tick is 108 atb. In this case we still go to 13 tick, but your 108 atb is above the enemy 104 atb, so you still move first. Hope this helps :)
how about spd tune those atk bar booster like Konamiya which gives 100% boost to monster like lushen. How to take ticks into consideration in that situation?
Pretty much just assume that whichever monster they boost will take the next turn. This is where ticks come into play. Even if the enemy is double your nuker's speed, if your booster has outsped them, then the enemy is not over 100% atk bar yet.
@@XennialGamer i got a serouis question, does if you get good stats on your bj double destroy work. Or is the dmg you get out of rage runes just so much bigger that you should aim for them?
@@hideathwing Honestly you can use any sets as long as you have will and do 32k damage :) Even broken+will is fine if you do the damage (I saw someone do that before).
Hi Im a fighter 3 player trying my best to reach conq1 ... Frr is coming and I need to know if my spd tuning is fine in my current tier .. Izaria(L) 24% spd ld (still thinking if Imma slow build her or speedy), Bastet 267 spd, Fluffer Lushen 172, fat lushen 153 arena spd tower lvl 5
Heya Kylo, if Izaria is your 2nd fastest monster then you'd unfortunately need the Lushens at 222 and 221. If she is your slowest monster, they'd need to be 223 and 222. Good luck with the C1 push!
This is cool. I've never seen a g3 player with such slow attack bar boosters. How does this work what kind of teams do you use to push if you are slow?
I use a mix of teams. Not are crazy fast, but they're reliable, as long as I'm focusing - I'll probably win 97%+ during rush hour, and my defense is decent. I use a lot of Odin and Barbara. And believe it or not, one comp with Gany :p (Nice counter to Nigong who you see a lot in G3 defenses). Also to be fair I've only had two G3 finishes (6th and 18th). The week I was 6th, I'm pretty sure I missed legend by under 4 seconds tho - I think that 1 extra win would've done it. I've had a bunch of G2 finishes though.
Can you explain how to do speed tuning when u rely on speed up buff? my team is speed tune using the rune optimizer speed tuning function, but when the the first unit starts with speed boost, my team tuning gets messed up. thanksss
Ooof that's a complex question. I will answer it below - but bear in mind that there's a good chance that this won't make sense in a brief comment reply. It's damn near a full video on it's own. Also, it cannot be done in SWOP. 1) Start by checking the tick that your monster takes a turn on (summonerswar.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Bar). Be sure to use COMBAT speed (speed after towers and leads) 2) Calculate how much attack bar the second monster has 3) Adjust the second (and successive) monsters' COMBAT speeds by 30% 4) Manually calculate how much attack bar they gain each tick I haven't done this often so I don't know if it's linear - but for what it's worth, my 293 Mirinae who speed buffs Teon can be ~13 speed faster than Teon. Meaning 293 Mirinae can be paired with a 280 Teon without being cut.
Oh - 5) Manually calculate how much attack bar an ENEMY monster that has the SAME speed as your fastest monster gains each tick 6) Compare the attack bars to see who has more (you or enemy) on the next tick after your first monster acts
I can't speak on behalf of Com2Us about that. As far as I know, using an emulator is against the TOS, but they only ban people for suspicious activity. For me personally, I log in with the emulator to get the .json file and then log out and log back in with my tablet, never "Playing" with the emulator, to be safe. I will say this - there's a lot of creators who do videos about the emulator, including my DB10 video which was in Fuze News, and Xandro (optimized developer) has posted that he's had discussions with the devs in the past.
The optimiser itself is a glorified excel sheet. It doesn't do anything to your game, it's just numbers in a different program. Completely safe to use, and while generating the .json file is questionable, you could always input data manually.
Funny I was thinking of him when I did the video, but it was already a long video and didn't mention him :p He'd normally go last, because his base speed is so low and he doesn't atk buff. In some comps I imagine he could go first and it would make sense, but he's a little stat hungry too so last will usually make more sense :)
@@mamamoolover2534 Typically in guardian RTA you'll see Vela act last tbh. Once in a blue moon you see a swift Vela. The problem is that he can't get far enough ahead to make it worthwhile because of the low base speed, and then you just burn 1 turn of his immunity when your team goes
Good question. Leo's passive limits all monsters to his speed, so it would slow all monsters on the battlefield. That would actually hurt any monsters you have that have speed-scaling atk damage, but would not change the turn order
while watching your video, i used the code sw2020jun16 ( 3ms), i only asked for a khmun, i got my little seara, i think it's the second time i get a really good monster in front of one of your vid
Whoahhhh!!!! Congratz on Seara she's amazing I'm really happy for you! :) I think I remember you commenting on this last time too hehe. Was it Verad last time?
@@Jo-zq8vt Ouch that hurts :( Yeah we've all done it - in the future hang onto any nat4/5 if you don't have a dupe is my suggestion. Hope you get another soon!
@@XennialGamer let me tell you more. when I started playing way back 2016 my 1st nat5 was Lydia guess what I fed her too. just to 6* raoq. (total noob) now she will never come back.
Love you xennial, i’ve always wondered whenever i would use bastet for 25% atb inc and kabilla with 30% atb inc, my fat lushen would always get cut by the enemy. I mean it’s already a 55% atb inc for crying out loud haha. Need to watch this stream 2 more times to fully absorb this speed tuning thing. Love you xennial, God bless!
@@ben.orpilla_24 Hehehe yeah but since Lushen is acting (at least) 3rd in that team, the enemy is gaining its own attack bar after each turn you take - so the 55% is probably more like 27% net over the enemy. It's tricky, but you'll get the hang of it (or you can just use the optimizer of course) :)
That in-depth tick analysis was crazy. Thank you
Thanks for the info on speed ticks. I have been looking for a good introduction to them. Keep up the great content. I really appreciate how clear you make things.
Thanks Brent, I appreciate the comment! :)
I geniunely love your content. You explain things simply and well, and you communicate even better. Thank you for all the help you've provided!
Thanks Zlad, I really appreciate this comment :)
This was awesome. Also didn't quite understand the atb function in SWOP to speedtune etc before i watched this. Thanks you!
i knew everything except for the tick. Thank you for the valuable information and explaining it clearly
Definitely! Thanks for the comment and glad I was able to share something new! :)
Absolutely defining all speed tuning doubts, it is awesome.... Atleast I can correct my basics by this video....
Thanks Garv!! :)
great video, i know a ton of people need this! I benefited from this also, i was off on the ticks myself i thought it was 285 and 235. Was off a tad.
Thanks Ace, I really appreciate it!!
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Or if you have an atk bar buffer (increases the atk bar) they move first. Example, like Bernard who does Tailwind that increases atk bar gauge
Most informational summoners war video ive seen! Speed is king, so this is an important video.
Thanks Kaminik, really glad you found it helpful! :)
This deserves my like. All of this information is actually informative. Some of this I didn't knew or truly understand about and i been playing for3 yrs now. Thanks for the tip btw :)
Thanks Andy, I really appreciate that, and I'm really glad I was able to provide some new information!! :)
I think maybe you can start using "barming" as a regular lol
Yeah.. I could've edited it out. But... I said it, I owned it hahahaha
I snickered at the first "barm".
I pretty much lost it at the second one. >.>
Very good guide sir, the ticks explanation was the best ive seen yet
TY sir, very much appreciate the comment and the compliment!! :)
Nice video, this is my first time to hear the ticks. thanks XG
Any time Ginkid, thanks for the comment! :)
Super glad u want over ticks at the end! Have u thought about doing an Oracle spd tick video? I've heard so much about searas s1 and being at 239 spd. I'd like to know more though. Just an idea. Nice work sir.
I have to be honest, I had not come across the 239 speed number, so I'm not positive. My assumption here is that it is because it will allow a CR seara to cut:
At tick 6:
* 358spd, 4-tick monster: 50.12 atk bar (having gone already)
* 5-tick monster: 20.02 atk bar (gone already)
* Seara 0 atk bar (she went, but we're not processing ticks yet)
At tick 7:
* 358spd monster 50.12atb
* 286 spd monster 20.02atb
* Seara 45.00atb
At tick 11:
* 358 speed monster went of course
* 286 speed monster: 100.1 atb
* Seara: 111.92atb
This would be all Oracles btw
Hooo! Ive been awaiting this video, and I learned something new from it!! Thanks so much!!! Awesome!
Woot woot so glad it helped!! And thank you for becoming a member!!! :) (It's weird TH-cam didn't notify me). Are you in the Discord server yet? If so, what's your name there? If not, here's the link :) discord.gg/tfkn3Y
That missing bomb was made me LOL! :)
The funniest part was Seara procced twice, landed the bomb and killed Rakan when that happened :p But I had stopped talking at that point and was planning to just finish the fight, so I had to edit that part out because it was just silence hehehe.
Another great video.
Now the question.
I use a Psama / Bastet / 2x Lushen a lot.
After Bastet ATB boost and when my slower Lushen unload his cards, I've been in a situations, where enemy team member have cut inbetween my Lushens even when my first Lushen was 1 speed slower then my second.
And NO there was no Nemesis runes on the unit that cut inbetween.
What happen there?
Might be, that my second/stronger/slower Lushen wasn't boosted enought by Bastet to go after the first one?
It has to do with how ticks work. The short answer is that attack bar boost has diminishing effects because other monsters "catch up" to you after each turn. The longer answer is explained in the last few mins of this video - if it didn't quite make sense, message me in Discord and I'll try to help (too long of an answer for comments). Discord link in video desc. if you're not there yet
Been waiting days for this one! A really great video and guide again!
Thanks JMGAB! Yeah this one was tricky to make took me a bit longer hehe
@@XennialGamer I thought so too.. especially when that computation, but it explains a lot. Base speed is very critical, especially we are talking about percentage.
Thanks man!
I've returned to the game after a year and a half. Joined at the beginning of 6th anniversary event. And had the extra bonus of the new players 1 month daily gift as well. So I had a great 30 day start for progress with the exception of monster diversity and skills. I just started branching out after finally starting to slow up as a free player once all the events and gifts dried up for me.
Recently just got three new mons for expanding my teams and diversifying skills. But I tend to jump around because I don't want to grind in the same spot and do the same thing for 3 hours at a time.
Anyway, I'm slowly working my way through and am excited for Free Rune Removal. Every time I adjust my runes, my mons come out better. Can't wait to play more and mix and match with:
String master (I get tomorrow from event points) Lupinus (wind magic knight) Gina (dark witch) and Fran.
I like putting Fran and Gina together so far. My idea is to keep Gina either last in the group or second to last for her third skill which sleeps the enemy. That way I don't wake them up by having her first in turn order.
I recently played a friendly rta match with someone that was a great demonstration in runes versus skills.
I had faster runed mons and stronger hitters. But he had a whole diff set of mons with skills that made our diff in runes not matter much. If I had resistance and more control in my monster makeup, I probably would have had a much easier time because i could see that my runes were better. But it was certainly not an arena team.
Yeah it's what makes the game so great. The infinite possibilities of checks and balances :p I'm really happy you came back to the game and enjoyed the event! It's good to see people returning and enthusiastic about the game! I've never built Gina myself, but it sounds like you have the right idea, having her sleep the enemy at the end (as long as you are faster). Later when yuo face more will runes, you'll need to pair sleepers with strippers, but probably not an issue yet :)
My goal is to overcome the amazing synergy in TOAN50 OMG. Its insane. Double Hwadam Double Perna and Veromos boss. They feed into each others HP pool in this chain. I don't have a strong enough team to break the links in the chain fast enough before my team gets worn out. But building Fran, Gina and getting a stringmaster all during FRR week...who knows. I might just make it in time to complete that summoners way challenge by completing toan50. But this team combo is amazing.
The pernas nuke off one of my members too fast. Been stuck on 50 for days.
hey really nice vid, by the way, i tried to build your db10 speed team, semmed really good, but have encountered a problem... my lyn hits for only 40K, max skilled, is it my lack of towers or is it becuase its unawakened? cdmg: 192
Great tutorial on speed tuning. You the barm!
Thanks J, I appreciate that!
What formula can I use in Excel to determine ticks? 100 / (combat speed * 0.07) ?
And how does atk bar boost with spd buff affect the ticks number?
Heya Coach, grab me in Discord as the answer to this is a bit long for comments. discord.gg/YQq46KX
How can I find this optimizer? Can I get a link? Does it also have a way to calculate what's on our artifacts too?
th-cam.com/video/ZLXJgx-cLNg/w-d-xo.html
The most recent update added a lot of additional artifact calculations :) Link above shows how to set it up.
@@XennialGamer thank you!
Great explanation and the guide on using the speed tuning app really makes things simple! I am curious why Bernard is your fastest runed monster when you have a Tiana. I pretty much put my best swift set on Tiana when I got her and never took them out...
Bernard being my fastest monster was actually kind of random, I never even used him and he's been de-runed since then :p My Tiana was pretty new when I recorded that video, and I've since actually runed her much more slowly for a shield will cleave team - my fastest monster is actually Bastet now, which is who I use for my AOs.
Yooo XG thanks a lot for the video, as for the content maybe my brain exploded but a higher rank friend of mine told me that ticks for rta and non rta content are different, maybe you could explain that? Or maybe i missed it in this video.
As for the next video suggestion/wishlist probably f2p teams (not only fusionable of course) but maybe mostly consist of *4 for c3+ rank in arena offense (like tiana triton replaced by clara aquila maybe?) And f2p team to tackle guardian siege like copper dozer but since we have 30 units to attack, we don't want to build 10 dozer and 10 copper do we?
Thanks a lot!
Heya Cyper, thanks a lot for the suggestions, very much appreciated :) Yes RTA ticks are different, they just go 1.5% faster, so the same concepts apply. I didn't mention it in the video since it was already information overload haha - maybe I should have.
BTW I've got Qeb-Kata-Bale autowin team (all fusionable in this case) already recorded, should have that video coming tomorrow. After that in the series will likely be Khali-Chloe-Covenant which is 2x 4* non-fusions :p
@@XennialGamer yoo thanks for the reply, now u just need another 21 units for the guide to be complete
@@SSCypher Yeah.. the trick will be finding teams that people can access. At a certain point I'll have to bring some Nat5s or LD4s into the series. But I can also do more than 10 teams os hopefully people can find teams they DO have access to :p
Came across your channel by accident and I love the content you do! Also send your channel to my buddies and they love your guides aswell :D Greeting from Germany
Thanks Dracobs, that's really awesome, and I appreicate your sharing the channel! :) Are you in the Discord server yet? I know we have quite a few from Germany here. If not, here's the link: discord.gg/tfkn3Y
Hey @Xennial, I have a question: Let's say I use the optimizer to speed tune and have a atk bar booster at first slot.Than I put in a second monster like Lushen and it calculates the minimum speed I need, to have it speed tuned. Fine! let's remember that minimum speed. Than at third I put in a very slow monster. What happens is, that Lushens minimum speed is recalculated as well, and it rises... But why? Why must the 2nd monster in the turnorder be faster, if there is a third and needs less speed, if it would only be two monsters?
Honestly I'm not sure Tim. Been thinking on this one for 5 minutes now LOL. It doesn't make sense to me either. It's possible there's a glitch in SWOP, but my instinct is that if it were a bug it would've been discovered long ago. So more likely there's an additional mechanic I don't know about. Sorry I can't answer this one :/
Thats because whenever someone takes a turn..on that tick only he can take the turn..other monsters turn are pushed to next speed tick even if they are past 100% attack bar..attack bar can go beyond 100% ..so bcz the monster turns get pushed..lower speed monster now compete for next tick ..which makes it difficult for them to get a turn. .hope this is not confusing
I tried simple example ..actal turn order cannot be explained without example
@@mamamoolover2534 See that was my first thought. But logically that should only affect the third and fourth monsters on the team, not the second one.
@@XennialGamer it does
It effect every single entity in the game..
@@mamamoolover2534 Let me rephrase. Adding a third slower monster should not affect the speed/attack bar of the 2nd monster that was already there and calculated :p
Great info!!
Thanks Kaz!! :)
is speed tune apply in cairos and toa? or just apply in siege,arena and gw?
Well the ticks apply everywhere - but the cairos and toa monsters are very slow, so generally if you've attach bar boosted, they will not be able to cut you. However, the things like combat speed and turn order (and adjusting for speed leads) still matter everywhere :)
Hey. Great video. Question about ticks. Say bernard atp boosts and put speed buff. My next mon goes from a 6 tick to 5 tick. How does that affect the over all turn order if my opponent has 5 tick mons. I hope that wasn’t too confusing. Thanks.
Heya Wolf - one thing to keep in mind is that only 1 series of ticks will occur between when Bernard buffs and when the next monster moves. This is gonna be complicated, so let's use some made-up numbers (please note this is for demonstration, not the real in-game numbers).
For our made-up numbers, we'll say that we gain 10% of speed per tick instead of 7%.
Bernard is 100 speed. At the 10 tick mark, he has exactly 100% atb.
The enemy team is all 80 speed, they all have 80% atb at the 10 tick mark.
Your remaining team is all 50 speed, they all have 50% atb at the 10 tick mark.
Bernard buffs, your team all moves to 80% atb - everyone is tied.
Your team now all have 65 speed (Bernard 130). At the 11 tick mark, they all move to 86.5 atb, while the enemy is 88 atb. At the 12 tick mark they move to 93 atb, while the enemy is 96atb - At the 13 tick mark, they move to 99.5 atb, while the enemy is at 104atb.
Let's do this SAME example, but your team is now 70 speed:
Buff makes them 91 speed. 11 tick is 89.1 atb, 12 tick is 98.9 atb, 13 tick is 108 atb. In this case we still go to 13 tick, but your 108 atb is above the enemy 104 atb, so you still move first.
Hope this helps :)
Xennial Gaming makes sense. Thanks
❤️❤️ always good in explaining thing
Keep it up man
Thanks a ton Vranndawn! :)
Yey! this is what I'm looking for thank you
No problem, you're very welcome! :)
Thanks for the great video keep'em coming
Thanks Robert!! :)
how about spd tune those atk bar booster like Konamiya which gives 100% boost to monster like lushen. How to take ticks into consideration in that situation?
Pretty much just assume that whichever monster they boost will take the next turn. This is where ticks come into play. Even if the enemy is double your nuker's speed, if your booster has outsped them, then the enemy is not over 100% atk bar yet.
psama cant reset on return only stun if on despair
OR... if he's on nem then he could cut and THEN use overwhelm :P
Yeah I didn't say this well at all, but that is what I meant - he's usually on Nem :p Good catch!
in the end if your spd booster is fastn Furios, make your attack monsters Fast 2 to not get cut in
Nailed it :p
@@XennialGamer i got a serouis question, does if you get good stats on your bj double destroy work. Or is the dmg you get out of rage runes just so much bigger that you should aim for them?
@@hideathwing Honestly you can use any sets as long as you have will and do 32k damage :) Even broken+will is fine if you do the damage (I saw someone do that before).
Hi Im a fighter 3 player trying my best to reach conq1 ...
Frr is coming and I need to know if my spd tuning is fine in my current tier ..
Izaria(L) 24% spd ld (still thinking if Imma slow build her or speedy), Bastet 267 spd, Fluffer Lushen 172, fat lushen 153
arena spd tower lvl 5
Heya Kylo, if Izaria is your 2nd fastest monster then you'd unfortunately need the Lushens at 222 and 221. If she is your slowest monster, they'd need to be 223 and 222.
Good luck with the C1 push!
oh man ... its quite hard ahahha ... but anyway I will try to farm more ...
thank you for the review ..🤗🤗
Starting a blank slate for RTA, and using the optimizer this time. But after runing, none of the speeds line up. Need help.
Try to grab me in Discord, I'll see if I can help. This week I'm pretty slammed so bear with me if I'm slow to respond - discord.gg/YQq46KX
@@XennialGamer I'm in no rush
Subscribed. Thanks for the content. Keep going like that :-) Cheers !
Awesome, thanks for the sub and comment Jeremie!! :)
Idk the way you talk is very good to listen 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks John, I really appreciate it! :)
is there a way to use this speed tuning software with the monster on my rta rune box?
Yeah, SWOP can do it. I'll be starting to release a SWOP series this week, and I actually cover that in the first video.
Well technically second vidoe, first one was released 2 months ago, the rest are coming over the next week
This is cool. I've never seen a g3 player with such slow attack bar boosters. How does this work what kind of teams do you use to push if you are slow?
I use a mix of teams. Not are crazy fast, but they're reliable, as long as I'm focusing - I'll probably win 97%+ during rush hour, and my defense is decent. I use a lot of Odin and Barbara. And believe it or not, one comp with Gany :p (Nice counter to Nigong who you see a lot in G3 defenses).
Also to be fair I've only had two G3 finishes (6th and 18th). The week I was 6th, I'm pretty sure I missed legend by under 4 seconds tho - I think that 1 extra win would've done it. I've had a bunch of G2 finishes though.
Perfectly explained speed tuning video for noobs..for 99% of the cast its perfect ..
Thanks Mamamoo :)
very useful :D
amazing video!
Thanks Rana!! :)
Thanks! This is helpful :)
Thanks, I'm glad it was helpful Herolle! :)
Time to rune my Olivine to 300 speed I guess.
Can you explain how to do speed tuning when u rely on speed up buff? my team is speed tune using the rune optimizer speed tuning function, but when the the first unit starts with speed boost, my team tuning gets messed up. thanksss
Ooof that's a complex question. I will answer it below - but bear in mind that there's a good chance that this won't make sense in a brief comment reply. It's damn near a full video on it's own. Also, it cannot be done in SWOP.
1) Start by checking the tick that your monster takes a turn on (summonerswar.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Bar). Be sure to use COMBAT speed (speed after towers and leads)
2) Calculate how much attack bar the second monster has
3) Adjust the second (and successive) monsters' COMBAT speeds by 30%
4) Manually calculate how much attack bar they gain each tick
I haven't done this often so I don't know if it's linear - but for what it's worth, my 293 Mirinae who speed buffs Teon can be ~13 speed faster than Teon. Meaning 293 Mirinae can be paired with a 280 Teon without being cut.
Oh -
5) Manually calculate how much attack bar an ENEMY monster that has the SAME speed as your fastest monster gains each tick
6) Compare the attack bars to see who has more (you or enemy) on the next tick after your first monster acts
So the optimiser doesn’t count as breaking the terms and conditions right?
I can't speak on behalf of Com2Us about that. As far as I know, using an emulator is against the TOS, but they only ban people for suspicious activity. For me personally, I log in with the emulator to get the .json file and then log out and log back in with my tablet, never "Playing" with the emulator, to be safe.
I will say this - there's a lot of creators who do videos about the emulator, including my DB10 video which was in Fuze News, and Xandro (optimized developer) has posted that he's had discussions with the devs in the past.
Xennial Gaming ok cool thanks
The optimiser itself is a glorified excel sheet.
It doesn't do anything to your game, it's just numbers in a different program.
Completely safe to use, and while generating the .json file is questionable, you could always input data manually.
Subscribed here!!
Woot thanks Manuel!! :)
Is the rune optimizer an app on android? How can i use it on my phone?
You'll need to use it from a PC unfortunately. Here's a link to help you install it: th-cam.com/video/mC0IfGJS6MM/w-d-xo.html
So what bout the fire archangel does he go first or last because of his atb boost but also his immunity
Funny I was thinking of him when I did the video, but it was already a long video and didn't mention him :p He'd normally go last, because his base speed is so low and he doesn't atk buff. In some comps I imagine he could go first and it would make sense, but he's a little stat hungry too so last will usually make more sense :)
Last to go monsters are triana and immunity unicorns..bcz that wah they can be tanky and high resist and keep immunity indefinately
Vela is better faster..bcz of his atb boost cleanse and immunity. .if he cuts he change the outcome of the match
@@mamamoolover2534 Typically in guardian RTA you'll see Vela act last tbh. Once in a blue moon you see a swift Vela. The problem is that he can't get far enough ahead to make it worthwhile because of the low base speed, and then you just burn 1 turn of his immunity when your team goes
@@XennialGamer but i rather picj amelia for that slot in the team
I didn't understand anything lol
If my bastat is 302 how much speed do I need on my lushen? 🙄
If Bastet acts first and Lushen acts 4th, and you only have 1 attack bar booster, he needs 256 :p
@@XennialGamer thanks man,I really appreciate the help
I'm working on my bastat Draco cleave team
@@bilalnajjar997 No problem - good luck in RTA, that's a fast Bastet! :)
@@XennialGamer thanks! I got lucky with my event runes 😎
@@bilalnajjar997 Huge gzzzzz then!! Really happy for you, insane runes!
Sorry I missed your stream.
You didn't :p Stream in 2.5 hours
are slow buff/debuff effective on a leo?
Good question. Leo's passive limits all monsters to his speed, so it would slow all monsters on the battlefield. That would actually hurt any monsters you have that have speed-scaling atk damage, but would not change the turn order
@@XennialGamer I always thought it worked the same way as the necro boss
(if you slow it, allows you to act twice before he acts
). Good to know
while watching your video, i used the code sw2020jun16 ( 3ms), i only asked for a khmun, i got my little seara, i think it's the second time i get a really good monster in front of one of your vid
Whoahhhh!!!! Congratz on Seara she's amazing I'm really happy for you! :) I think I remember you commenting on this last time too hehe. Was it Verad last time?
@@XennialGamer no, i think it was Brandia, but i would like to get a verad too
can someone from com2us just give a leo + bastet right now
Good luck bro, just get the Bastet first and you'll be happy, Leo is the gravy :p
@@XennialGamer i just fed her months ago just to chase a legend grind. didn't feel like she'd be that useful to me and then here I am. sux big time
@@Jo-zq8vt Ouch that hurts :( Yeah we've all done it - in the future hang onto any nat4/5 if you don't have a dupe is my suggestion. Hope you get another soon!
@@XennialGamer let me tell you more. when I started playing way back 2016 my 1st nat5 was Lydia guess what I fed her too. just to 6* raoq. (total noob) now she will never come back.
@@Jo-zq8vt Your first nat5 was an ld5?!? Omg... yeah that stings :(
Thanks :P kekw xd
Hi xennial. First!
Hehehe I love that we're at a point where "first" is a thing! :p
Love you xennial, i’ve always wondered whenever i would use bastet for 25% atb inc and kabilla with 30% atb inc, my fat lushen would always get cut by the enemy. I mean it’s already a 55% atb inc for crying out loud haha. Need to watch this stream 2 more times to fully absorb this speed tuning thing. Love you xennial, God bless!
@@ben.orpilla_24 Hehehe yeah but since Lushen is acting (at least) 3rd in that team, the enemy is gaining its own attack bar after each turn you take - so the 55% is probably more like 27% net over the enemy. It's tricky, but you'll get the hang of it (or you can just use the optimizer of course) :)