Fully agree with Warspite, strongly suggest you check out Drachinifel's guide to Warspite career and ending. You will see why Dan ranked her as Special, because she most surely was.
DAN SNOW IS SUCH AN EXCELLENT HISTORIAN JUST LIKE HIS FATHER WHO WAS A JOURNALIST HE INSTILLED TO HIS SON A CURIOSITY INTO HISTORY the UK AND BEYOND HIS DOCUMENTARIES “BRITISH HITS “ ARE VERY REWARDING TO WATCH AS THIS ONE WAS ,SO THANK YOU CONNER FOR SHOWING IT ,I’M A BRIT LIVING IN PERTH WA , AUSTRALIA AND HAD THE HONOUR OF BOARDING THE “ MISSOURI” YEARS AGO AND WHAT A TREAT THAT WAS WITH ITS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE .ANY CHANCE OF SHOWING ANYTHING HISTORIAN OF NEIL OLIVER OR DAVID STARKEY ,DAN JONES , ALICE ROBERTS ONLY TO NAME A FEW WE ARE SO LUCKY TO BE GIFTED THESES TALENTED INDIVIDUALS , LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT VIDEOS 👌👏🤷♀️
The 'S' in the tier list comes from the Japanese word 'shuu' meaning 'exemplary'. It was used first in school grades and then in advertising. And then memes and tier lists.
As submarines became more capable and torpedoes bigger and more powerful, torpedo bulges on ships hull sides became increasingly prominent. Warspite became the RN’s most decorated ship.
29:09 A battleship's original role was mainly ship to ship combat. With the advent of land- or carrier-based aircraft that could attack other ships with torpedoes from a longer range than guns could (and later with the availability of missiles to do that job), their main role gradually changed to shore bombardement.
Warspite went through more and lasted longer than any which i guess earns the right to an S. H.M.S. Hood was one of the more attractive battleships but with an upper deck too thin after missing out on a refit.
HMS Warspite hit tanks with her main armament, was hit by one of the first anti-ship missiles, she was a bombardment ship at Normandy, where she ran out of ammo and had to sail back to Portsmouth to be resupplied. IJN was supposed to be the first of five battleships, the others were Musashi, Shinano (Aircraft Carrier sunk before complete), and Hull No. 111scrapped incomplete, and Hull No. 797 cancelled whilst being designed.
21:27 a large-caliber armor-piercing shell needs "resistance" to activate and detonate meaning if a battleship shell hits a destroyer that has "thin" armor, the shell can penetrate the armor and fly through the ship without exploding *** 29:05 the purpose of the battleship is to fight against ships and create dominance at sea coast bombing is more "fun and recreation and training"
😄.....more than an Anglo-French naval skirmish Conor....the Royal Navy sank the French (3rd July 1940) @ Mers-el-Kebir, Algeria on Churchill's orders.Circa1300 French serviceman were killed ...it's an amazing and shocking story, look it up for yourself.
Oil versus Coal. You are correct in that the British had an abundance of coal at that time. But it was all in Britain (obvs). We were a global power at that time so ships literally around the world. Oil was all over the world in places we or our allies at the time were on friendly terms with - Persia, Dutch East Indies, USA. Not forgetting the Carribean - by the 1920's Venezuela was one of the worlds top exporters of oil.
24:23 Yamato had 2 sister ships Musashi (sunk before Yamato) completed as a battleship and Shinano that was completed as an aircraft carrier and sunk by a US submarine shortly after it had entered service and the largest naval vessel ever to have been sunk by a submarine.
You must react to the "Naval Legends" of World of Warship, it's all about battleship, very accurate The Yamato or the Iowa Naval Legends are very good tp watch !
Fuel oil burns cleaner than coal not totally clean but very noticable. Coal powered ships black smoke could be seen a very long way off, so with or without radar having a oil powered ship was a big advantage. At 10:07 those are anti-torpedo blisters designed to detonate the torpedo outside of the ship.
Dad landed on Sword Beach 08.30 6th June 1944. Told me Warspite was firing over their heads that morning and that the rounds sounded like freight trains as they passed over them in the transports. The sound was so deafening that you could not hear anything that your fellow soldiers were saying in the landing-craft going in to shore (and they were shouting to each other).Snow is wrong...she is S+
Grandfather watched alot of friends die on the Hood and loads of other loss of life. Then Italian concentration camp for about 4years after. He was a warrior. Apart from never would or could talk about any of it. My Gran and I expect many other wives protected their husbands from questioning. Especially from us kid's wanting to know. Gran saved my Grandfathers life because he was drinking himself to death. That generation who came out of the war were awesome. Old school without a bad fibre in their bodies. Bless
If Dan Snow became British Prime Minister he would be following in the footsteps of his Great Great Grandfather David Lloyd George, who held the office from 6th December 1916 to 19th October 1922.
As an American I have two questions: One - Why is Arizona B-tier? By all the metrics he laid out at the start it should be a D, maybe C if you're feeling generous, but its entry just feels so tacked on to the list. Two - why are there TWO Iowa class ships? I love Iowas just as much as the next guy, but putting two in feels very indulgent, especially when there are a lot of other American battleships with impressive combat records in WWII (Texas, Maryland, Washington, North Dakota, and Massachusetts to name a few) And three - despite being a historian why is he leaving out so much crucial context? He makes it sound like Richelieu didn't do jack after 1942 (which is false, it had more actual wartime contribution than half the ships on this list), Schanhorst's channel dash (one of the Kreigsmarine's most successful missions) is left completely unmentioned, as well as the majority of the Pacific and Mediterranean theaters.
If we could get railguns to work without ruining their barrels, the age of the nuclear battleship (and the cool looks that would come with it) might happen. Sadly that is still proving to be an elusive goal - still, Royal Navy ships are to be equipped with an impressive laser emitter, the 'Dragonfire', (even if the ships themselves still look pretty dull).
i wonder in what world anyone can rly put warspite on top xD its so old at that time ... bismarck at D ? it was the best ... it just lost to a lucky torpedo but it single handed blew up the hood
Bismarck is a d because it failed in its mission. It was designed as a commerce raider and the moment it met hood and pow it failed as it had to make a run for port due to pow causing damage with one of its hits. It was lost by the rn. But they correctly determined where it would be and sunk it. Tirpitz was even worse tbh. Yamato and her sisters were in the end the wrong use by Japan of resources it had a shortage of. More carriers would have served them better probably. The other problem was those 18" guns. If they had fitted 16" instead they would have probably have had more buoyancy for more anti aircraft guns, which it needed.
I don't like this list for several reasons: (1) only ONE British ship in this list? Come on! (How can you discuss Scharnhorst and Richelieu and ignore Hood?) (2) but IF he puts Scharnhorst on this list: he should have mentioned that she not only hit but SANK an aircraft carrier (HMS Glorious), from a distance of more than 15 miles. (3) I agree that Bismarck isn't "S" material and maybe not even "A". But "D"? Come on!
@@florianlipp5452 Those classification are/were not standardized internationally. German sources usually classify Scharnhorst as a battle cruiser, British/American sources tend to put it in the battleship bracket. With cruisers getting heavier, by the Mid-1930s the lines were blurred anyways (e.g. Japanese Kongo Battlecrusiers were modernized in the 1930 and reclassified as Battleships)
I would put Arizona with Bismarck, but probably both at C. The Bismarck is usually exaggerated and overrated, and the Germans could have used it better, but it was still a solid ship. The Yamato should be A at least, I disagree with the idea that battleships were completely outdated in WW2, and it would fit its intended role had the Japanese plans came to fruition. It was just always in the wrong place, and the US strategy to limit Japanese trade and resources worked. They just didn’t have enough fuel, but it’s hard to fault Yamato for that. The only reason the Americans weren’t more scared of it, because the Japanese successfully hid the fact it had 18” guns.
WW2 was a transitional phase from Battleship to Carrier, calling battleships completely outdated is getting a little ahead of yourself. The massive carrier domination doesn't hit its stride until 1944, at which time the Reiga Marina has surrendered, the Kreigsmarine have moved their efforts to U-boats, and the Imperial Japanese Navy is stretched so thin they're wanting to save their big assets for one giant decisive battle.
@@pyronuke4768 Yeah, thats what I said. Aircraft were very useful for attacking ships, but they weren't reliable in all conditions such as rough weather or night fighting. In most instances where battleships lost to aircraft, it was very much a overwhelming one sided fight, not because they were airplanes, but because the battleship was heavily outnumbered and did not have the support ships it was intended to have. There were several near misses where circumstances prevented a big fleet battle, in which case it would have been evident a battleship was still relevant. It just never panned out.
Great ships but totally dependant on infrastructure and resources to operate so some of them might have been in different positions had the support been there . I wouldn't dare disagree with Dan , I was lucky enough to see Iowa when she visited in the 80s a magnificent sight and all the class are preserved as museums .A pity we couldn't have preserved one of ours Warspite is legendary for her achievements and deserves her special category .
I should think they needed the extra stability because of the recoil from those guns on Warspite for example. Peace. P.S. We don't need preordained because mum works for the BBC or from one classroom at Eton becoming leaders of this nation. We need a man of the streets if you get me. Bless him though. Takecare
Shells can be duds...sometimes fuses do not work...just like any other device made by human hands. US capital ships are usually named for states or Presidents...though there are a lot of exceptions to that generality. US ships have been named after battles, after famous Naval heroes, after species of fish, and also a LOT of US ships have been named after US cities. Also, you were impressed by Warspite's torpedo bulges...which I believe were increased in size more than once after her construction. I could be wrong about that, but I am pretty sure that the model you looked at at 9:48 was Warspite with her final and biggest sized torpedo bulges. The biggest reason that the Bismarck deserves to be D-tier is for how short of a time it served for...it did not even make it a year. It joined the Kriegsmarine in August 1940 and before the end of May 1941 it was on the bottom of the Atlantic.
Awful event when a ship gets hit. Such a huge loss of life in one hit. Had it live as a kid. Worrying about relative's and the boys as a youth during the Falklands war. When we had navel hits off the exocet missiles. Thats one of the reasons why we won. We made the French tell us how many exocets the Argentinians had, as they supplied them. Irony considering they were also British made weaponry. Recommend Ex SAS Phil Campion documentry about ISIS. Essential veiwing about an extraordinary man and an awful situation so many are ignorant to. Takecare bud.
He's kinda right on point though... Some of the ships could be considered battlecruisers rather than battleships though...(Scharnhorst/Richelieu? Correct me people!) Bismark on D is realistic, it's name was huge, it's deeds mininal.
What would Dan Snow know? He never will be an impressive historian, he's far too lightweight. Of just middling talent, and In RN terms, he's more of a frigate, rather than a 'ship of the line'..........
Fully agree with Warspite, strongly suggest you check out Drachinifel's guide to Warspite career and ending. You will see why Dan ranked her as Special, because she most surely was.
And dr Alexander Clark and his key ships series
She was a mighty ship
It's a real shame she didn't become a Museum 😭
DAN SNOW IS SUCH AN EXCELLENT HISTORIAN JUST LIKE HIS FATHER WHO WAS A JOURNALIST HE INSTILLED TO HIS SON A CURIOSITY INTO HISTORY the UK AND BEYOND HIS DOCUMENTARIES “BRITISH HITS “ ARE VERY REWARDING TO WATCH AS THIS ONE WAS ,SO THANK YOU CONNER FOR SHOWING IT ,I’M A BRIT LIVING IN PERTH WA , AUSTRALIA AND HAD THE HONOUR OF BOARDING THE “ MISSOURI” YEARS AGO AND WHAT A TREAT THAT WAS WITH ITS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE .ANY CHANCE OF SHOWING ANYTHING HISTORIAN OF NEIL OLIVER OR DAVID STARKEY ,DAN JONES , ALICE ROBERTS ONLY TO NAME A FEW WE ARE SO LUCKY TO BE GIFTED THESES TALENTED INDIVIDUALS , LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT VIDEOS 👌👏🤷♀️
HMS Warspite definately has the best name.
'I despise the hardship of War'
Motto of HMS WARSPITE
my granddad served on the Warspite in WW2, he was born in 1924
The 'S' in the tier list comes from the Japanese word 'shuu' meaning 'exemplary'. It was used first in school grades and then in advertising. And then memes and tier lists.
As submarines became more capable and torpedoes bigger and more powerful, torpedo bulges on ships hull sides became increasingly prominent. Warspite became the RN’s most decorated ship.
29:09 A battleship's original role was mainly ship to ship combat. With the advent of land- or carrier-based aircraft that could attack other ships with torpedoes from a longer range than guns could (and later with the availability of missiles to do that job), their main role gradually changed to shore bombardement.
Warspite went through more and lasted longer than any which i guess earns the right to an S. H.M.S. Hood was one of the more attractive battleships but with an upper deck too thin after missing out on a refit.
Hood was a battlecruiser.
HMS Warspite hit tanks with her main armament, was hit by one of the first anti-ship missiles, she was a bombardment ship at Normandy, where she ran out of ammo and had to sail back to Portsmouth to be resupplied.
IJN was supposed to be the first of five battleships, the others were Musashi, Shinano (Aircraft Carrier sunk before complete), and Hull No. 111scrapped incomplete, and Hull No. 797 cancelled whilst being designed.
21:27
a large-caliber armor-piercing shell needs "resistance" to activate and detonate
meaning if a battleship shell hits a destroyer that has "thin" armor, the shell can penetrate the armor and fly through the ship without exploding
***
29:05
the purpose of the battleship is to fight against ships and create dominance at sea
coast bombing is more "fun and recreation and training"
😄.....more than an Anglo-French naval skirmish Conor....the Royal Navy sank the French (3rd July 1940) @ Mers-el-Kebir, Algeria on Churchill's orders.Circa1300 French serviceman were killed ...it's an amazing and shocking story, look it up for yourself.
According to the royal navy way of thinking
Battleships are for ship on ship clashes
monitors (like lord clyde, M33 and terror) are for bombarding.
Oil versus Coal. You are correct in that the British had an abundance of coal at that time. But it was all in Britain (obvs). We were a global power at that time so ships literally around the world. Oil was all over the world in places we or our allies at the time were on friendly terms with - Persia, Dutch East Indies, USA. Not forgetting the Carribean - by the 1920's Venezuela was one of the worlds top exporters of oil.
The motto for Warspite translated : " I despise the hardship of war" . As she served two world war.
24:23 Yamato had 2 sister ships Musashi (sunk before Yamato) completed as a battleship and Shinano that was completed as an aircraft carrier and sunk by a US submarine shortly after it had entered service and the largest naval vessel ever to have been sunk by a submarine.
And I recall that they started another but the're hull was converted/refitted into the aircraft carrier class ?
You must react to the "Naval Legends" of World of Warship, it's all about battleship, very accurate
The Yamato or the Iowa Naval Legends are very good tp watch !
Fuel oil burns cleaner than coal not totally clean but very noticable. Coal powered ships black smoke could be seen a very long way off, so with or without radar having a oil powered ship was a big advantage.
At 10:07 those are anti-torpedo blisters designed to detonate the torpedo outside of the ship.
Dad landed on Sword Beach 08.30 6th June 1944. Told me Warspite was firing over their heads that morning and that the rounds sounded like freight trains as they passed over them in the transports. The sound was so deafening that you could not hear anything that your fellow soldiers were saying in the landing-craft going in to shore (and they were shouting to each other).Snow is wrong...she is S+
29:20 Steel on Steel, that it can throw some fairly large HE shells on land stuff, nice, but a bonus. nowadays, different.
Grandfather watched alot of friends die on the Hood and loads of other loss of life. Then Italian concentration camp for about 4years after. He was a warrior. Apart from never would or could talk about any of it. My Gran and I expect many other wives protected their husbands from questioning. Especially from us kid's wanting to know. Gran saved my Grandfathers life because he was drinking himself to death. That generation who came out of the war were awesome. Old school without a bad fibre in their bodies. Bless
At 10:06 no that hull section im pretty sure was for protection against torpedoes
If Dan Snow became British Prime Minister he would be following in the footsteps of his Great Great Grandfather David Lloyd George, who held the office from 6th December 1916 to 19th October 1922.
Warspites history is worth watching. Most decorated ship
Badass name too
As an American I have two questions:
One - Why is Arizona B-tier? By all the metrics he laid out at the start it should be a D, maybe C if you're feeling generous, but its entry just feels so tacked on to the list.
Two - why are there TWO Iowa class ships? I love Iowas just as much as the next guy, but putting two in feels very indulgent, especially when there are a lot of other American battleships with impressive combat records in WWII (Texas, Maryland, Washington, North Dakota, and Massachusetts to name a few)
And three - despite being a historian why is he leaving out so much crucial context? He makes it sound like Richelieu didn't do jack after 1942 (which is false, it had more actual wartime contribution than half the ships on this list), Schanhorst's channel dash (one of the Kreigsmarine's most successful missions) is left completely unmentioned, as well as the majority of the Pacific and Mediterranean theaters.
I’ve always been a fan of the Yamato class 😊
If we could get railguns to work without ruining their barrels, the age of the nuclear battleship (and the cool looks that would come with it) might happen. Sadly that is still proving to be an elusive goal - still, Royal Navy ships are to be equipped with an impressive laser emitter, the 'Dragonfire', (even if the ships themselves still look pretty dull).
i wonder in what world anyone can rly put warspite on top xD its so old at that time ... bismarck at D ? it was the best ... it just lost to a lucky torpedo but it single handed blew up the hood
Bismarck is a d because it failed in its mission. It was designed as a commerce raider and the moment it met hood and pow it failed as it had to make a run for port due to pow causing damage with one of its hits. It was lost by the rn. But they correctly determined where it would be and sunk it. Tirpitz was even worse tbh.
Yamato and her sisters were in the end the wrong use by Japan of resources it had a shortage of. More carriers would have served them better probably. The other problem was those 18" guns. If they had fitted 16" instead they would have probably have had more buoyancy for more anti aircraft guns, which it needed.
I don't like this list for several reasons:
(1) only ONE British ship in this list? Come on! (How can you discuss Scharnhorst and Richelieu and ignore Hood?)
(2) but IF he puts Scharnhorst on this list: he should have mentioned that she not only hit but SANK an aircraft carrier (HMS Glorious), from a distance of more than 15 miles.
(3) I agree that Bismarck isn't "S" material and maybe not even "A". But "D"? Come on!
2 and 3 I agree with 1 I don't hood was a battlecruiser not a battleship and yes there is a difference
True. And I add:
(4) the video makes no distinction between Battleships and Battle Cruisers (Scharnhorst was a Battle Cruiser)
Also, (5) the USS Washington and it's epic Uno-Reverse on the IJN Kirishima.
@@florianlipp5452 Those classification are/were not standardized internationally. German sources usually classify Scharnhorst as a battle cruiser, British/American sources tend to put it in the battleship bracket. With cruisers getting heavier, by the Mid-1930s the lines were blurred anyways (e.g. Japanese Kongo Battlecrusiers were modernized in the 1930 and reclassified as Battleships)
1v1 me on WarThunder Nerd! Joking, love the vids and your passion for history Conor!
I would put Arizona with Bismarck, but probably both at C. The Bismarck is usually exaggerated and overrated, and the Germans could have used it better, but it was still a solid ship. The Yamato should be A at least, I disagree with the idea that battleships were completely outdated in WW2, and it would fit its intended role had the Japanese plans came to fruition. It was just always in the wrong place, and the US strategy to limit Japanese trade and resources worked. They just didn’t have enough fuel, but it’s hard to fault Yamato for that. The only reason the Americans weren’t more scared of it, because the Japanese successfully hid the fact it had 18” guns.
WW2 was a transitional phase from Battleship to Carrier, calling battleships completely outdated is getting a little ahead of yourself. The massive carrier domination doesn't hit its stride until 1944, at which time the Reiga Marina has surrendered, the Kreigsmarine have moved their efforts to U-boats, and the Imperial Japanese Navy is stretched so thin they're wanting to save their big assets for one giant decisive battle.
@@pyronuke4768 Yeah, thats what I said. Aircraft were very useful for attacking ships, but they weren't reliable in all conditions such as rough weather or night fighting. In most instances where battleships lost to aircraft, it was very much a overwhelming one sided fight, not because they were airplanes, but because the battleship was heavily outnumbered and did not have the support ships it was intended to have. There were several near misses where circumstances prevented a big fleet battle, in which case it would have been evident a battleship was still relevant. It just never panned out.
There was more than a little skirmish between the French navy and Royal navy. Look up the attack on Mers-el-Kébir,
Dreadnoughts were the sexiest. Thats genius though. Flooding compartments for torpedo hits. Bismarck. On another level at the time. Frightening.
Great ships but totally dependant on infrastructure and resources to operate so some of them might have been in different positions had the support been there . I wouldn't dare disagree with Dan , I was lucky enough to see Iowa when she visited in the 80s a magnificent sight and all the class are preserved as museums .A pity we couldn't have preserved one of ours Warspite is legendary for her achievements and deserves her special category .
You should check out the Graf Zeppelin.
The Germany aircraft carrier.
Yamato getting a B with all that he listed makes the D for Bismarck look even worse.
18:02 The perfidious albion strikes again
I should think they needed the extra stability because of the recoil from those guns on Warspite for example. Peace. P.S. We don't need preordained because mum works for the BBC or from one classroom at Eton becoming leaders of this nation. We need a man of the streets if you get me. Bless him though. Takecare
Bit late but ricochets from angled armour and a lot of shells were faulty too
You know how Jeremy Clarkson would have decided an S class. SPEED AND POWER!
Shells can be duds...sometimes fuses do not work...just like any other device made by human hands.
US capital ships are usually named for states or Presidents...though there are a lot of exceptions to that generality. US ships have been named after battles, after famous Naval heroes, after species of fish, and also a LOT of US ships have been named after US cities.
Also, you were impressed by Warspite's torpedo bulges...which I believe were increased in size more than once after her construction. I could be wrong about that, but I am pretty sure that the model you looked at at 9:48 was Warspite with her final and biggest sized torpedo bulges.
The biggest reason that the Bismarck deserves to be D-tier is for how short of a time it served for...it did not even make it a year. It joined the Kriegsmarine in August 1940 and before the end of May 1941 it was on the bottom of the Atlantic.
Odd list
I would swap Arizona and bismark
Dan doesn't need to be king. Do you know who he's married to? Very well connected without the unwanted fame.
Awful event when a ship gets hit. Such a huge loss of life in one hit. Had it live as a kid. Worrying about relative's and the boys as a youth during the Falklands war. When we had navel hits off the exocet missiles. Thats one of the reasons why we won. We made the French tell us how many exocets the Argentinians had, as they supplied them. Irony considering they were also British made weaponry. Recommend Ex SAS Phil Campion documentry about ISIS. Essential veiwing about an extraordinary man and an awful situation so many are ignorant to. Takecare bud.
Damm. No russian ship
He's kinda right on point though...
Some of the ships could be considered battlecruisers rather than battleships though...(Scharnhorst/Richelieu? Correct me people!)
Bismark on D is realistic, it's name was huge, it's deeds mininal.
To heavily armored to be considered as Battlecruisers.
Warspite - 24 yrs of active service, never sunk. Bismark 10 days of active service, sunk. Of course Bismark is a D, as Richeleau should be.
What would Dan Snow know? He never will be an impressive historian, he's far too lightweight. Of just middling talent, and In RN terms, he's more of a frigate, rather than a 'ship of the line'..........
I call british bs