We know how Azem stopped the volcano. He used Lahabrea's Ifrita template to absorb the fire aspected aether and then destroyed Ifrita at another place so the fire aspected aether could disperse without issue. Azem did borrow the template by asking hythlodaeus instead of the convocation which annoyed Emet-Selch
I'm convinced that the crystal in 'The Key' is the one from the Tales from the Dawn short story: Days Gone By, Days Yet to Come. Hythlodaeus "marveled at the way the light played on its facets, like the surface of a tranquil lake..." It's otherwise described as the "fourteenth in [a] series of concepts to help ease the burdens of travel, which was contained within the palm-sized crystal." It couldn't be the Azem crystal that the WoL has, as that was created by Emet-Selch after the Sundering. And notably, Azem "forgets" this new crystal in Hythlodaeus' office, with Azem leaving on a new adventure (after the events in Elpis) before Hythlodaeus can return the crystal to them. So as far as we know currently, this crystal is last known to be in Hythlodaeus' possession prior to the Sundering. So, we have a palm-sized crystal created by Azem to "ease the burdens of travel" that is MIA as of the Sundering, and was mentioned in the last Endwalker short story to be posted before Dawntrail, where we have a palm-sized crystal that resonates with Azem's magick, which can enable travel between shards.
I think you are right about this. Not sure who the short story didn't jump into my mind. I read it a dozen times. I think I need to slow down, im studying too much DT lol
This. Azems magic is all about travel and teleportation. I believe the colour and symbol are similiar for that reason. As for why it resonates during that cutscene, we're summoning allies to help in the fight, not only to the reflection but also into the computer network. It also looks a bit like auracite, i wouldnt be suprised if a shard of azem soul is inside it.
The flaw of this is that the "crystal resonates wirh Azem's magic". We have held the key and it hasn't resonated one bit. Also the fact both Sphene and Zoraal ja have been able to use it throws the theory to the bin
@@Yokai_Yuri they used it, but it didn't resonate the same way, when we holded to it we didn't used Azem magic that time, since we are just a shard of him, his power is way diluted into ours own. we don't know for sure how eletrope works it's way to make the key work too, probably a huge amount of Aether is needed
My main question regarding Danwtrail as why in the Seven Hells did we not call Garlond Ironworks when robots and ships started showing up!?!? I know it's partly for plot reasons to prevent Cid and Nero from inventing something to solve the issue and stop Sphene from going through with her plan, but Cid is going to go upside our head for not calling him sooner.
@hallc91 But they got there before everything went to shit. We didn't need Cid and Nero by the time the bubble appeared. And even if we DID call for them they wouldn't have gotten there before we were in Solution 9 as seen with how long it took for the dragons to appear.
The key, or rather, the crystal inside of the key, may likely be a piece of Auracite. Golden Auracite, if you will. It resembles one of those massive archives you see in Anamnesis Anyder or the White Auracite Urianger and Moenbryda made to kill Ascians, but it's twisted into a spiral.
Memoria is from immediately after (give or take) the great sundering, so it is likely Emet-Selch, or whoever, used/gifted ancient knowledge in the botched attempt at the first rejoining and created the void. That is to say, they likely look similar because they use the same foundation, ancient knowledge.
Emet-Selch planned, no, ENGINEERED THIS. He know about the key, the shard that Alexandria resided on, its connection to Tural, and the Tuliyollal’s soon to be power vacuum, all of it. He would’ve have pointed the WoL to go here otherwise. And the key is just the beginning, he wants to show us something, something bigger and more important
First thought that came to mind when you commented about Elidibus waiting for us because Azem told'm to was sort of the opposite of the maybe Azem went forward in time. What if it's the other way around? What if we *become* Azem? Through some means or another, probably not even intentionally, gather and merge with all of our shards, then go back in time to become Venat's protege. Probably where our playable story ends, as we know the eventual outcome is being sundered, so something like that would be more like the final closing act of the game. But it was an interesting thought
never thought of this before but that kinda makes sense. i recently went through endwalker again & multiple npcs talk about how much the player character looks like azem (not just that their soul looks very similar). that would be a good ending & it even plays into MMOs being a cycle of playability a little lol
That would mean Azem/Wol soul will get stuck in a loop in the future, unable to advance forward, only backward, then forward to a certain point then back again, never truly advancing. It's very disturbing and hellish existence if you ask me.
Something else I noticed, and someone correct me if I am wrong, but the key never actually activates unless the WoL is present. It can be there, shown in cutscenes and inert, but it doesn't actually do it's thing outside of the WoL's/Azem's presence. You can will it to transport you all day but it won't do anything like the Milala tried to do to go back to The Source. Suggesting that a shard of Azem may have been present when they fled the calamity of ice.
@@Teadrinker-zy1yp If that were the case, Zoraal Ja would never have been able to help Sphene activate it and fuse Alexandria to Xak Tural at all. It can be activated without our presence, but they never figured out how the thing works. Just that it can be activated.
Re: Leaping into the volcano, I believe that’s in reference to one of the official short stories; where Elidibus, playing innocent, appeals to Emet-Selch’s sentimentality to acquire (retroactive) permission for Azem stealing the concept of Ifreeta(?), a fire concept; suggesting they manifested the aether of the eruption /to fight the volcano/. For the sake of saving a species of grapes.
@@WyrmLimion Slight correction on my part; Elidibus was shrewdly getting Emet to help avoid Azem getting censured for this. Again. But otherwise the volcano being solved by turning the fire aether into something tangible and punching the problem is certain; as for the grapes, we just know they belong to a group of islands; likely what would become Vylbrand after the sundering, but that’s idle speculation The story is titled “Ere our curtain falls” from Tales from the Shadows
@@ValbrandrLeonhardt Being honest, how different is that really compared to us players? Especially when transmogs/glamours, mounts, minions, and/or other collectables are involved?
I think a clue to how to figure out the function of the key might lie in Hydaelyn’s final moments with us. "When the way forward is hidden even from the mind's eye, look not to the invocation, but within yourself. These were the words of the crystal's original bearer." That might hold a clue to how the key works and it should in theory respond in a similar way to Azem’s summoning magic. We have been told in game interdimensional fusion shares similarities to that very same magic by G’raha Tia. My theory was the key was never intended for combining worlds but merely travel. Circumstantial evidence leads me to believe it is capable of crossing beyond worlds and distance due to our crystal able to do its job despite great distance or other reflections. Only catch is that it doesn’t work in other time periods. My theory is it works by establishing a connection point between two locations and allows the user to open a gate of whatever size given how much power is fed into it. I think Preservation used this trait to make interdimensional fusion happen by only partially using this trait of the key and collapsing the travel points together. They could only ever use it crudely and never found out the full potential.
i think if you consider the usecase of azems magic this theory makes a lot of sense. If Azems magic is a spell to bring allies anywhere, it would make sense for there to be a mirror of it, to assist someone anywhere. If this crystal holds the "go to your ally anywhere" part of the hypothetical "allies from anywhere" coin, it would make a lot of sense for it to resonate with it. alternatively it could simply be a tool of exploration but if you consider that the unsundered world was unsundered and we have no knowledge of them ever going to space, i think its likely something azem would've used/given to people to help them around the world, like with the volcano example
I think it may have been created intentionaly to resonate with us, Azem's shattered soul, to allow us to travel between the shards after the sundering.
Ahem, don't forget that the crystals original bearer was Emet-Selch, not Azem. The crystals were created by the Convocation after Azem left and none was created for the defector. This key was created by theit closet friend (Emet) in secret and was never in Azems possession.
So, something popped out at me when I was rewatching ending cutscenes for the base expansion: Erenville mentions, "It remains to be seen how interdimensional fusion affected other reflections. Krile's parents spoke of the power's capacity for both good and evil. I cannot help but wonder how Sphene's deeds will be remembered by those they touched." I think they may have activated it in the gap of time between Zoraal Ja getting the Key and the fusion to the Source happening. Time dilation was TOTALLY a thing, as 30 years passed by in day (rough comparison), so more than enough time had passed, for them anyways, to attempt a fusion prior to the one with the Source. Also, where is Preservation???? And WHO is Preservation? Like I know generally who they are and what they do, but they gotta still be around, watching from the shadows......like Ascians. lol
Would be funny if the key's core is made out of Auracite and studied by Azem similar to how Athena studied the Heart of Sabik. Azem may even be (partially) successful in doing so and found some means to aid in travel, making a travelers key.
I am fully convinced Azem is going to be a penultimate and final boss either for an expansion or for the entirety of the game itself. Simply because of their name in and of itself. A is the Beginning and Z is the End. Their actions were the reason we were able to begin our adventure and they may also be the grand finale.
Azem title the traveler also, perhaps Azem made the gateway tech as a traveling system for the old world and each of the gateways got pulled to every shard
I thought that the key was Azem's solution to Venat's plans to sunder everyone. A way to breach through the barriers and allow himself and maybe others to visit their friends without a calamity kind of joining.
I think the more simple answer is the Key was made by Emet studying Azem's teleportation magic (he had to have some knowledge of it given it's embedded in the stone) and it was his original plan to rejoin the worlds, via interdimensional fusion but saw it as a flawed method.
Oh I’m sure Emet knew something about it if he created or not. He led us there when he told us about the Golden City at the end when he listed all the stuff we should do. He most definitely knew where that path would lead us.
@@ChristopherG1990 I dread to think what he had in mind for us with Meracydia or the other reflections. I think he wanted us to find it if we’re going by that logic because we need a method for interdimensional travel to other reflections. After all, he’s entrusting the legacy of his dearest friend to us.
I was thinking about how the existence of a gate in the Cenote was suspect in the first place, especially one that responds to an Azem artifact, if Emet-Selch was the one who built it, it would make sense. But it doesn’t explain how the Southern Sea Lalafells would get hold of it because there would be no way Emet would take pity on them dying in the calamity
See I figured the Key is the beacon or 'node' that connects different shards, and that's how we're able to summon allies from everywhere with azems stone. Basically even without us having the key, whenever we used Azems stone to summon allies in the past the key activated on its own to facilitate it.
We are Azem. The end of our story as WoL will see us become a fully merged ancient being at which point we travel to The World Unsundered and apprentice under Venat. Azem isn’t our past, it’s our future. That’s how Azem has knowledge of future events. As such, Azem creates the key to facilitate this eventuality, closing the time loop. Crazy Crackpot Theories by Teslo, AKA: Azem. PS: I’m sure the devs haven’t thought this far ahead, and I’m sure they have multiple story points for this to develop into, so everyone’s guess is likely both correct and incorrect simultaneously. Lol
I have had similar thoughts. But like meeting Azem, for some reason. Time travel being involved or something. In general the idea of just even briefly meeting or seeing Azem would be cool. (Especially if the mask design gets revealed or the glyph even.)
I'm of the theory/opinion that Azem is our future selves. We're in a bit of a time loop where eventually we acquire enough Aether as the warrior of light to loop back and become Azem, in the meanwhile we're gathering the pieces and breadcrumbs needed to perpetuate the loop much like how the mechanics of the echo is explained and it's ability to allow us to live and relive our fights in perpetuity.
I figured it'd be interesting if the key was Azem's Rejoining attempt tbh. Afaik the fusion in Heritage Found didn't kill anyone. I think it'd be neat if Azem's plan was to maybe take care of the Final Days, then Zodiark (and maybe Hydaelyn last), and then use that key to safely rejoin the shards together, with the flaw that nobody expected the reflections to change so much. I think it'd make for some kind of interesting story throughout future expansions if that key just became a problem that threatened to destroy the Source and it's reflections through out-of-control fusions made by the key.
My guess is that Azem was going to help with Pandæmonium, but through the Echo saw us descending from the heavens like a shooting star(their words), and decided to stay out of it. We’ve seen the Echo show powers of foresight and precognition, separate from seeing the past from another’s perspective. Lore wise, the Echo is how we dodge AoE’s in fights. So I’d say it’d be safe to assume that Azim’s power of the Echo was more powerful than others.
The Echo is Hydaelyn's magic ward on us, and Venat says when meeting us that she doesn't remember even casting it, hence why she immediately guess we are from the future. So I'm fairly certain that Azem can't have it :O
@@crahlo The Echo is separate from 'The Blessing of Light', as she described it as a ward against having our aether disrupted. Elidibus revealed that 'the Echo awakened in those who witnessed a Calamity that bore a likeness to their innate ancient memories of the Final Days many millennia ago.' It's just that in recent days they were both seen as one and the same, as those with the Echo automatically had a Blessing of Light on them.
That theory is very similar to mine - I've been thinking that Azem is our future self. As in, upon journey's end, we end up travelling back, having seen all there is to see in the present.
If we allow that Azem had this massive foresight, I suspect the key was created by them as a solution to a problem that has not reach reached it's crisis point. My theory is that the aetheric imbalance shown by all the Shards thus far (The First overbalanced to Light, the Thirteenth overbalanced to Dark, the UnLost World overbalanced to Lightning) is that problem. While the Ascians were using it to bring about Rejoinings, nothing could be done about it, and Hydaelyn and the Twelve (And even the Ascians) were in place to correct and steady the balance of the Source after a Rejoining. But the fact that Alexandria's world suffered a Calamity, seemingly without Ascian involvement or a matching Calamity in the Source suggested that Shards can collapse to imbalance all on their own, and really the Ascians were just nudging them past a tipping point they already teetered on by their very nature. This suggests a NATURAL Rejoining could happen... and would likely be devastating, with none of the Ancients or their tools present to stabilize the world after. I think the key is intended as part of some kind of fix Azem was working on for this.
I’d like to point out that one of the calamities (I believe it was the second or third umbral calamity) was aspected to lightning. So it seems possible to me that the Unlost World is the reflection that was rejoined in the calamity of lightning.
Azem does know about us. One of the dialogue tidbits right after you meet Lahabrea has Themis saying, "Although neither Azem nor I had ever met you in the flesh, you came with her highest recommendation. That alone was enough for me to accept you as an ally without question. Themis: That somewhere in the world a guiding star so similar to herself was out there amused Azem to no end. There was not a shade of doubt in her heart that you would be a formidable ally." As to how Azem knew we'd end up landing on Themis...it would have been something gremlin!Azem would totally set up whatever way she could. An Azem who knew at least a little about what was to come would have been making plans within plans (as Venat taught her to, I'm sure), and some of those plans could have involved leaving artifacts around for her future self to find and use. She knew her future self would be the help that Themis needed to investigate Pandaemonium, so she engineered things to drop us on his head just in case he misunderstood the assignment.
That cutscene blew my mind when I saw the same symbol of Azem in the key :O Which, now, after watching your video and reading some of the comments, make sense to me, bear with me: The crystal allows us to summon other WoLs, right? well, is it not a kind of in-between shards travel? maybe that's the point of all of this. Azem had somehow the power to travel between shards tho I cannot fathom this last part as before the sundering there were no other shards... In any case, as demonstrated in ShB we can travel to other shards easily, with our possessions and body, and so, WE, the WoLs are key to travel to other shards, and I think Y'shtola knows it somehow.
That key would be the perfect tool for spreading enough chaos to start an umbral calamity. Wouldn't surprise me if the Ascians planted it on the south isles to be discovered.
I don't think Azem time travels. I think the reason they knew about the Warrior of Light coming back to Elpis was because Venat told them about her adventure with the player character. They knew the player visited before and likely knew they would come back because of the shenanigans in Pandemonium. I also think that the reason Azem didn't side with Venat in the Final Days was because she also told them of what would be needed for the Warrior of Light to be born and stop the Final Days in the future. So they sacrificed themselves in order to make it happen. My key to this is "FLOW", the lyrics are sung from Venat's perspective and if she knew the ultimate outcome, that I have zero doubt in my mind Azem would tell her if they knew, she would not be crying every time Azem rises from the Aetherial Sea to be reborn and die.
I fully agree in the thought process that Azem made a lot of their later decisions in life knowing about the WoL, and how we would be the champion to the Star. I think that's why The Key exists in the first place. I think that after being informed of Venat's plan to summon Hydalen, and sunder the world; that Azem put a plan into motion of their own. One that would ensure the WoL would be able not only able to be a Champion to the Source, but to all reflections. Which is why the key has the power to bridge worlds. Azem was a Traveler at heart, and so is the WoL. What better way to champion the Star, and her reflections by connecting them, and traveling there yourself?
Krile's father says the key responds to desires. The Key is very likely to be some kind of ancient Auricite, not unlike the auricitr from the Ivalice raids.
I believe the key is Azem's answer and countermeasure to the final days, Zodiark and Hydaelyn plans. The key was able to create a dome/pocket dimension that allowed Alexandria to survive their rejoining.The dome would have a similar effect to zodiark thus protecting from the final days and being able to let zodiark go. The dimensional fusion aspect is sorta worst case scenario power in which it could undo the sundering of hydaelyn without killing the reflections. Venat and Azem were friends it's not impossible Azem learned of Venats last resort sundering magic and thus made their own countermeasure.
Azem was sundered, and we are them, well approximately 50% of them. So I doubt they ever appear at all. Much like how Hermes never appears outside of Elpis. The Fandaniel we know isn't Hermes, he's Amon, a fragment of Hermes with his own personality. They've been careful not to give too much away about Azem specifically because they relate to the player character, so I expect they'll carry on in the same way. I'm not a big fan of excessive time travel shenanigans so I hope the video is wrong about that.
There is a theory that because Azem liked to create familiars that Azem created a perfect replicant of themself and the replicant got sundered and the original Azems travels somewhere beyond Etherys for some reason. That's why Azem created artifacts to make travel easier to reunite the sundered worlds and give the WoL the possibility to rejoin with their counterparts. But it's just a theory and nothing more.
Maybe Azen was alerted to our presence in Elpis, and stealthily spied on our and Venat's subsequent activities. The crystals we've got so far are a breadcrumb trail for the WoL to follow and eventually rejoin the shards non-destructively
Considering Azem's mysterious foresight, it might be the effect of Echo, since it can also grant visions of the future, that is 100% will happen, as we've seen with Bozja story. Only Ancients could invoke it at will and much clearer, so Azem could've foreseen what needs to happen, so he dropped the key at Hythlodaeus, didn't help with summoning of the Hydaelin and al l other stuff.
Could you imagine how annoying it would be to live in a society where people can just do something seemingly random and completely out of left field because some people just have 100% confirmable visions of the future? You're just sitting at home and you find out someone has put a net under the kitchen counter because they foresaw that you would knock a cup over or something. Yeah, because I tripped on the net, dummy.
Maybe the key was made as an alternative to rejoinings, Etherys have to eventually return to being whole once the Final Days crisis truly ended, and dimensional fusion could be a way to "rejoin" etherys shards without destroying these shards and their population. Another thing that bother me is that, i feel the "golden city" gate at sky deep cenote is not made by alexandrians, and maybe it was more "hijacked" by them by Dimensional Fusion when Galuf was investigating it, Yak Tel was struck by meteors in the past and probably leading to the creation of the cenotes in the region, and meteorites were the method of traveling between "dimensions" in FFV, the game were FF14 took reference for the concept of Sundering, Dimensional Fusion, Galuf and Ronkan
Well the Ronkans were said to be very advanced magically, we know very little about them, perhaps they figured out how to travel between shards, but we see a very similar civilization to them on the Source via the dungeon Tender Valley. Also based on one of the versions of history in the Qiqirn beast tribe quests, one could make the argument that the Yok Huy are Descendants of the Ronkans. Just too much unconfirmed to make any sort of real theory about it.
A complete time loop where we rejoin everyone and end up creating the ancient society, which is actually the future and not the past... it won't happen but they've already dabbled with that with Venat
@@sneakytrip6594 If you are referring to Wyrm's clips, that's just because these are his clips. Even in the short stories posted on the Lodestone there was a pronoun switch to match your character in Venat's story.
I think it would be very, very interesting to consider that it might not have been Azem who created the key, considering there were no other shards in Azem's time and Azem was sundered. But another shard of Azem like the WoL would both have a connection to Azem and possibly a motivation to travel between shards. And they not be as noble as we are. At this point, could there be any other threat bigger than an anti-WoL? (Can't even call them the Warrior of Darkness, dammit Ardbert)
[8:20] "... Likely right in front of our eyes." Wait... The watcher on the moon? It couldn't be, could it? I also like the general idea of it being something of a warp stone, being able to go anywhere in the world even without a aetheryte present.
Soooo. My theory. Azem is the true name of the Master of Masters from Kingdom Hearts. He is currently dealing with that issue and will be working with Soar and Rikku before returning to be sundered. Which is why we will soon run into Sora in FFXIV. :)
To me it's quite obviously a piece of auracite. It has very clear connections to both Azem's magic and the Heart of Sabik, in that they're all enabled by "hopes and dreams", as Venat puts it in our final scene with her (dynamis?). It was the Milalla's desperate wish for escape that allowed them to activate the relic to begin with, long before it was encapsulated in electrope. As for the scene where it appears to be syncing with Azem's crystal, I think it more likely that it's actually reacting to our "hopes" directly, rather than the crystal. If it wasn't limited by electrope into the singular purpose of opening a rift, it would likely be able to act in much the same manner our crystal does. Which begs the question; is our crystal a piece of (synthetic?) auracite as well? Very possible, if not even likely. I am expecting a long story arc where we explore auracite, its many variations and implications, as it appears to be a substance not even the ancients understood fully (which makes sense if it is dependent upon Dynamis to function) - perhaps one entirely alien to Etheirys to begin with, which fits nicely with Cosmic Exploration as well, theme-wise. Also, why did Moenbryda and Urianger dub their creation white auracite, as it appears to have no connection to any of the other auracite we've encountered thus far? Likely a path we'll explore as well. Also, look forward to fighting Ultima (again).
I hope we get a better explanation of electrope in the future. It's a bit too much "magic mineral" or MGS "nanomachines" right now, and it'd be fun to find out how it originated and what can really be done with it.
i have a theory that i believe that Azem (us) can control time, as you said, view the future so they likely saw not all but pieces, or rather moments of wol life, and with that knowledge did they conspire to do what needed to be done before they became sunderer. For all we know, they might have known about other future unfold, such as that source, that was once before, we died, and g'raha came to the first which alter things. I like to think the strongest magic would be the ability to control time.
I think the key is a fail safe of sorts that Azem created in response to both The Convocation and Venat's plans for the Final Days. A way to reestablish connection between disparate shards and "rejoin" them peacefully through interdimensional travel and not the Ascians calamitous rejoinings. I dont think he was happy with either the summoning of Zodiark or Venat's sundering and spent his/her time devising an alternate solution.
I do like the idea of Azem nudging things in the present to keep stuff on track, the question is who are they masquerading as? or... OR once our sundered self is whole again at the end of our adventure we travel back in time in full Amourotian mode and position ourselves as whoever takes the Seat of Azem after Venat completing the full time loop???
I might be misremembering but I don't think the lalafells of the south sea isles were passing down the key from generation to generation on the source they were only passing it down after they got to the unlost world reflection. There was text somewhere (maybe the volcano place in the last zone I don't remember) where it said that during the calamity of ice a figure appeared and gave them the key to escape it was only then after escaping that they started passing it down.
Thank you, this is what I was remembering. That someone (I want to say they called it a goddess?? to my female character) had shown up and given it to them to escape the calamity.
I think the key could be the main thread from which everything stems for the main story arc over the next 10 years. It's functions open limitless possibilities for destinations & time travel, & storywise it could go back & forth between the wrong hands & ourselves & of course there's it's own origin story which we very likely could uncover with an Azem story expansion. The way it was displayed sitting on the map at the end of DT might not be just a hint of where we might go next, but a huge tell of foreshadowing. And what better moment to foreshadow the next 10 years? Or then again, it could just get destroyed in patch 7.1 😂
Given we seem to have 2 other reflections in play, Alexandria's homeworld (Unlost World), and the reflection Mecha-Sphene tried to steal from, I would love it if the natives to one of them come knocking to see what the fuck is going on (Unlost noticing the lightning dome is gone, or the one she attacked looking into said attack).
you broke my brain sir XD ok so i didnt think of the aetherytes but good catch! i immediately thought of the concept crystals in Anyder and on the Moon when i saw the Key. Also........yes. Some of the cryptic comments about Azem have been very fascinating, if not suspicious lol. Meeting up with them running amok in the present would be quite fascinating. Seeing what happens with the key is something I'm very much looking forward to.
We know the Amourantians were at war, with someone linked to Sabeek if memory serves me correctly. This makes me think, Ultima Seph was human who was trapped in her form during the sundering. We do not know what the effect would be if you were sundered while in an Ancension form, its very possible, you will be trapped. Venat seals Seph away, not kill, if Seph was such a threat with Auracite to the planet then why didn't she? I personally think Venat, Seph and Azem linked together in the next story through history which led to Seph and Azem building the key. To act as a way to likely recover people if Venat plan went wrong or something. People are assuming Azem takes power off the key but they is another scenario. Azem was sundered, what if the Leader of the Preservation, is actually Azem. If a shard of Azem created the Endless and delivered the key to Sphene to bring more people over, when the WOL touched the key it would naturally resonate with him, the two are the same being after all. We know Azem didn't believe with the convication over summoning Zodiak, it would make equally amount of sense the other verisons of you are not aware Zodiak is no more.
In the most recent short story the chief archivist gave Venat a crystal that was about the cosmos. I am wondering the reason why Azem did not join Venat when she was made a primal, is that Venat gave that crystal to Azem, who in turn traveled forward in time to leave the key on the source with Milala, then traveled back for the sundering.
Nomura has touched the writer's room. In kingdom hearts 3 the repeating phrase is "May your heart be your guiding key", essentially travel between the worlds is guided by your heart's yearning. In this situation why did the lalas go to that shard at that time? Because they had regrets about being unable to save thier home. The heart calling is also how combat buddies teleporting in works in kh3. (Look up riku summoning sora in the world of darkness)
I think the reason the lala's have the key is because the South Sea isle is probably the same location that Azem went to save from the volcano before the sundering. We know azem liked the isle and it's ppl along with the grapes from there. It isn't far fetched that azem gave the key to the ppl for safe keeping or the key was made there by azem. Then the sundering happened and the key ended up on the south sea isle with the minlala of the source which is it's physical counterpart/origin point.
Just need to correct you on something: Etheirys is the name of the pre-sundered world, and as such, in the present day would refer to all 14 worlds - so Alexandria's world is also Etheirys. The world that most of FF14 takes place on is called either Hydaelyn or The Source.
My theory is the exact opposite of yours. My thought, is that whenever Square decides its time to end the game, the final expansion will be US, as the WoL, fully recombined with our shards, traveling back to Eitherys to take on our role as the last Azem, creating a closed-loop paradox, setting in motion us becoming the WoL in the "future" once the sundering happens.
Well an easy answer to why the Milala after the first intershard travel couldn't use it is that the High Elder of the Milala that DID use it was Azem's partial self for that time period, obviously there had to be previous Azems to us, and that was a very long time in the past. So after that Azem passed away and returned to the Lifestream, nobody had the resonance with it to make it work. Til much later when it was brute forced into working, but again they didn't know how to guide it so it just did what it did based on the amount of energy put into it. Also going with a bit of a Star Trek reference here, but with Aetheryte travel, we travel between Aetherytes via the Lifestream(which spans all shards, hence us being able to travel to the 1st). The Key however may make use of the idea that "what if it's Space/Time that's moving and we're standing still?" idea. You connect 2 points in space/time(not 100% sold on the time aspect at ALL), like a wormhole or Dune's folding of space travel method, or even perhaps in a way Elite Dangerous' Frameshift, you're not the traveler in that case, you're the station and you're moving the destination to your location(not physically moving it mind you, just via the gate it seems that way, but with the interdimensional fusion, maybe brute forcing it causes that effect?)
I am still very curious about how this will be used. A part of me feels like Sphene connected to a reflection that will now be pretty pissed off and its up to us to fix things.
@@WyrmLimionI thought we were told Sphenes reflection was pretty much destroyed. It's in a state similar to the 1st, but Levin instead of Light. An event almost like an umbral calamity took place, but obviously wasn't enough to trigger a rejoining.
They keys is DawnTrails version of Tupsimati from ARR, it is an ancient and powerful relic. Both are of Water Element. Azems spirit within the Crystal with Constellation etched like others, calls upon the Stars to your side, the Celestia Aether, much like Astrologians power. There are 2 Constellations in Sky, Alexander and Omega. Both opposite sides of eachother in Sky, like Shiva and Hvaels. One of Time and one of Interdimsional Travel. Crystal Tower used Solar energy and technology of Omega series and Alexander series to create their own Alexander to Travel Back in Time to 1st after 8th Calamity. What if this Cup, infused with Electrope and Arcane runes, Through power of prayer, heighten Emotions of Hearts fervant Hopes and Desires, gathers Celestia Aether it amasses large sums of Aether to cast spells possibly open Gates of Heaven to escape the Sunder to go to Crossroads of Time. There is one to note; the Volacano had settlers on them, Tribes of people that is why Azem went to save them, but also used key to Send them and Volcano to Future after the Sundering, interdimensional fusing the isle to the source, but when Age of Ice happened they used the Key again to go to different reflection merging location to reflect where the Calamity of Lightning happens, Kriles Parents then used key again in Past, to go to Future where Galuf are investigating the Gate in Golden City, drop off Krile with the Cup back in Source. This Cup goes forward and Back in Time, through the power of Memories, as we used Elidibus memories to traverse to Elpis, we use Sphenes Living Memories to Traverse Reflection of Calamity if Lightning. One thing that has been bothering me, The Queen used Time Travel to possibly go to 1st Calamity in the Fight, we just started the Calamity fighting the Queen.
I feel like it's really easy to assume the key was made by Azem, was made in Ancient times but if this is true then the key itself would have been sundered meaning that THERE ARE 14 KEYS.
@@WyrmLimion so the specific parallel im referring to is when Sphene noped out and the scene in the last nier raid before the final boss. Those scenes look way too similar to "just reuse assets" Again as a Nier fan and knowing yoko taro, ff14 is now cannon within nier, so I wouldn't be surprised if some story bleeds into the rest of ff14
I don't think the Key makes sense to send someone forward in time. But I do think it's connected to dimensional travel in some aspect, because Azem is the Traveler. It makes sense for the key's magic to allow interaction with other dimensions because Azem's spell can do the same thing. The connection to the aetheryte look is something I noticed as well, though, so I suspect that the key's main focus is sort of an inverse of Azem's crystal. Where the crystal calls others to the user, the key is designed to teleport the user (and those around them) somewhere else. Dimensional fusion is an extension of this principle.
We know that "future sight" was one of the (probably rarer) powers of the Ancients. Mikoto's Echo grants her this ability, in a very limited form obviously. While Azem's job was helping people and their specialty was travel, it's quite possible they had the ability to see future events too.
We can already see there is a part of the Wol that just loves the thrill of the fight especially when you can choose to agree with Xenos. I have no doubt that the eventually we are going to throw hands with a powerful reflection of ourselves before absorbing more of azem
I don't think Azem is in the present. The writers really don't want to show them, to keep player's verisimilitude. Now, this doesn't mean we couldn't run into something very close to Azem in the present. I speak, of course, of Azem's familiar, which could just use the WoL's character model for extra hilarity. :D
I agree and disagree with different points. Azem's timey wimey stuff is simpler solved with "The Echo". The Echo seems to be a watered down version of the original Ancient's gift. Azem's/WoL's "Gift" is time based. In cutscenes we can view the past. The Echo buff in duties is rationalized as us using our Echo/Gift to see ways we could fail and starting the battle with foreknowledge from seeing the future. So, I don't think Azem needs time traveling adventures. But, I agree that Azem might be around in some form. I also think "an" Azem is active in the present in some form. Someone dropped the soul crystals where we'd find them. The South Seas Lalafel say they happen to find the key when they most needed to travel. I'll jump to it. Honestly, I now think the Shoebill is this "Azem". It mysteriously shows up to the confusion of everyone on Elpis where and when an Azem-like being appeared when Hades and Hythlo would have expected Azem to have crashed on the pair of them alone. It has an odd fascination with our interactions with Azem's bestie. The only thing I'm unsure about is if the true Azem is us, sundered, or the Shoebill. It seems too convienant that when we get confirmation that we "are" Azem it is surounded by the context of Ancients thinking instead we might be a copy/familiar (MSQ) and a raid series where we see multiple copies (Lahabrea self-sundering, Athena copying herself, Themis creating copies of us to fight in the raid battles, etc.). Is the Shoebill a familiar/copy Azem made to monitor things after they were sundered, or did they avoid the Sundering and we are the sundered copy/familiar?
I really am against further time travel, so an alternate theory is Azem was a precog. We know it is a power some Ancients had if Bojza and the echo are any indication. Though much like time travel, I think seeing 10,000 years into the future seems a bit excessive, so hopefully it would only be precog up to the sundering or something. Preferably to me, no precog or time travel would be involved, and this artifact is perhaps the product of another incarnation of Azem (be it in the past of the Source or another reflection), OR, the artifact has nothing to do with Azem and Azem's stone simply interacted with the artifact, giving the WoL the ability to use it more freely (vs it previously known state to almost never work). My concern is things getting too convoluted with either excessive precog planning, time travel, or things becoming too "grand scheme all along!" plot. But we shall see.
Whatever way we slice these theories, if there is one thing I'm almost sure of, it's that the artifact will be used. If not in the patch quests, then in the coming expansion. Also with how all the signs are suddenly pointing to Azem, I get a sneaking suspicion we will be crossing paths with him/her soon enough.
Excellent theory! And I agree Azem = our future self who is brokenly stupid powerful, I always thought it was after we rejoined with all of our sundered selves but now it's unclear. The ancients saw him as a 'full ancient' though.
That's Azem's Forbidden Fruit Gummy of time-space travel for sure, as opposed to the Forbidden Fruit Gummy of Summoning The Squad. As soon as it was branded with Azem's emblem I knew it was ours, and I wanted to say the Speaker might have been a previous incarnation of the WoL, which was how she was able to activate it and send everyone to safety. After all, the way to activate Azem's crystals is for them to will them to work, so why can't she have been our predecessor as the Source's shard of Azem?
If Azem was keeping an eye on us to tbe point where he knew our every move, there's a strong possibility that he's someone we already know. My guess would be Alphinaud, as he's been there since day 1.
the key is definitely linked to azem, and its quite possible he used that key after he used ifritas template to disperse the aether she collected in the volcano to disperse it elsewhere, we also know that ancients were granted specific abilities, hythy and emet have soulsight, venat can create protection wards etc, perhaps the azem we're reincarnated from has foresight, maybe perhaps that key allowed them to travel to different time periods, they definitely knew that they would need to tell themis about their future self, can we also touch on the subject that emet has now confirmed 2 known locations of portals to different shards? the first was the portal to the 13th (ruins beneath the waters of the bounty), and the 2nd was the portal to the 12th (literally calling it the fabled golden cities of the new world) does that mean there is a portal somewhere in the frozen waters of the blindfrost in othards north, the sacred sites of the forgotten people of the south sea isles, and meracydia?
I believe Azem will eventually be the main antagonist. I have no idea yet how, but he's always been there in the shadows, ans he's definitely going to be a big part of the future MSQ given his link to the key. That would be a great way to build some excitement, as opposed to introducing another random villain #10 which we have no connection to.
Time travel might be a bit of a stretch for Azem. I would say their Echo would give them insight. So here is my line of thinking. Remember how Emet-selch has the ability to see souls, what I would call Underworld Sight (underworld being the ancients' term for aetherial sea). The Sight wasn't unique to him as Hythlodaeus also had it but didn't manifest as strongly. What if Azem had the Echo that was passed onto his sundered souls. As for others with Echoes that aren't Azem related (ignoring other players), they could get it from their resecptive souls, just manifested more or less strongly or differently. The Echo is capable of showing both past and future. We see the past as cutscenes. Mikoto Jinba's shows the unchangeable future, and even the player (and Fordola Lupis) have limited clairvoyance, hence why we can "see" telegraphs. We only see visions of the future when working in close proximity to Mikoto and likewise vice versa for her. So Azem could either/or both see into the past/future. They could've "met" us by observing us from afar or otherwise glean the info through a past/present/future mutual contact.
I need my Warrior of Light / Azem to achieve immortality. The memories of Emet-Selch and the Ascians shall not be forgotten. And the shards need to be explored. A task that may take more than one or two lifetimes.
The time travel theory is interesting, and that theory makes me think that Azem didn’t lose the key in the volcano by accident, but rather when their travels were over and they’d done everything they needed to they simply gave the key to the Lalafel who needed it
It does sound like something Azem would do. But the likely case is a story we have about a crystal used to ease travel between worlds that was last left in Hythlodeus' care before the sundering. We can only guess where it went later, but I wouldn't be surprised if Emet at least knew about it, since he created Azems crystal, which works the same way on smaller scale. Maybe Emet realized that interdimensional fusion may be like rejoining, but it's crude and could potentially destroy the Etheirys if attempted on a planet size scale.
7:16 hm. I think it's more that it can be used to open portals elsewhere than being it's intended purpose since well, there were no reflections and other stars where more of a theoretical concept.
Azem has been around in present day, right before our very eyes but not yet time to introduce himself. Crackpot theory, Azem is the old man you meet at the start of the game, and gives you the ride to Ishgard at the end of ARR.
I believe that Azem created the Key before the Sundering! I think Azem could use it to travel Time & Space! The LaLa's were on their Island during the 5th calamity! They used the Azem Key to teleport & they went through time & space to the 12th calamity!
The alternate timelines is all but confirmed by Alexander back in Heavensward. He mentions seeing all the possible futures and chooses the one we are currently in to help come to fruition. I think a LOT of people forget about he lore from that raid.
I mean, Alex must have seen all the things we would do. Saving the source from entropy incarnate is kind of a huge deal. Saving the source from a crude rejoining is also probably a huge deal.
It looks to me like the centre of the key is a piece of auracite and, considering that it was around during the time of the Ancients and also seems to have the ability to interdimensionally travel, it makes me wonder if it's maybe somehow related to the Heart of Sabik since it's a piece of auracite that's been around since the time of the Ancients and is implied to have come from another world as well. Maybe the two are paired somehow, opposing forced or the Key was sent to the dimension of Etherys in order to provide them with what they need to deal with the Heart of Sabik. The questions are, however, what is the dimension that the auracites are from, what's it like, why were they sent to Etherys, and what or who is behind it?
But isn't when azem stopped the volcano from erupting, uses ifrit's concept and summoned him? Later then fight and beat him to then disperse the excess of fire aerher in the volcano?
We know how Azem stopped the volcano. He used Lahabrea's Ifrita template to absorb the fire aspected aether and then destroyed Ifrita at another place so the fire aspected aether could disperse without issue. Azem did borrow the template by asking hythlodaeus instead of the convocation which annoyed Emet-Selch
I think I completely forgot about that short story...
Opps lol
I thinking the same thing XD
dont forget the reason why azem did it, they liked the taste of the grapes near that volcano
pov : the game has lore for decades
@@aalbes50 I think that was just an excuse and he wanted to annoy Emet for shits and giggles
I'm convinced that the crystal in 'The Key' is the one from the Tales from the Dawn short story: Days Gone By, Days Yet to Come. Hythlodaeus "marveled at the way the light played on its facets, like the surface of a tranquil lake..."
It's otherwise described as the "fourteenth in [a] series of concepts to help ease the burdens of travel, which was contained within the palm-sized crystal."
It couldn't be the Azem crystal that the WoL has, as that was created by Emet-Selch after the Sundering. And notably, Azem "forgets" this new crystal in Hythlodaeus' office, with Azem leaving on a new adventure (after the events in Elpis) before Hythlodaeus can return the crystal to them. So as far as we know currently, this crystal is last known to be in Hythlodaeus' possession prior to the Sundering.
So, we have a palm-sized crystal created by Azem to "ease the burdens of travel" that is MIA as of the Sundering, and was mentioned in the last Endwalker short story to be posted before Dawntrail, where we have a palm-sized crystal that resonates with Azem's magick, which can enable travel between shards.
I think you are right about this.
Not sure who the short story didn't jump into my mind. I read it a dozen times.
I think I need to slow down, im studying too much DT lol
This. Azems magic is all about travel and teleportation. I believe the colour and symbol are similiar for that reason. As for why it resonates during that cutscene, we're summoning allies to help in the fight, not only to the reflection but also into the computer network. It also looks a bit like auracite, i wouldnt be suprised if a shard of azem soul is inside it.
The flaw of this is that the "crystal resonates wirh Azem's magic". We have held the key and it hasn't resonated one bit. Also the fact both Sphene and Zoraal ja have been able to use it throws the theory to the bin
@@Yokai_Yuri they used it, but it didn't resonate the same way, when we holded to it we didn't used Azem magic that time, since we are just a shard of him, his power is way diluted into ours own. we don't know for sure how eletrope works it's way to make the key work too, probably a huge amount of Aether is needed
@@Yokai_Yuri But it did resonate with Azem's magic. We used Azem's crystal to summon our allies and the key reacted in kind.
My main question regarding Danwtrail as why in the Seven Hells did we not call Garlond Ironworks when robots and ships started showing up!?!?
I know it's partly for plot reasons to prevent Cid and Nero from inventing something to solve the issue and stop Sphene from going through with her plan, but Cid is going to go upside our head for not calling him sooner.
Do you really want Nero to see Solution 9 tech? We've seen how he gets when seeing previously unseen Allagan stuff.
How on earth would they even get there that fast?
@@Kekira The same way that Y'shtola and G'raha did?
@@Kekira by teleporting, like everyone else?
@hallc91 But they got there before everything went to shit. We didn't need Cid and Nero by the time the bubble appeared. And even if we DID call for them they wouldn't have gotten there before we were in Solution 9 as seen with how long it took for the dragons to appear.
The key, or rather, the crystal inside of the key, may likely be a piece of Auracite. Golden Auracite, if you will. It resembles one of those massive archives you see in Anamnesis Anyder or the White Auracite Urianger and Moenbryda made to kill Ascians, but it's twisted into a spiral.
upon closer inspection of the archive crystals in Anemnesis, i noticed that they looked exactly like the Memoria Crystals used in the 13th
Memoria is from immediately after (give or take) the great sundering, so it is likely Emet-Selch, or whoever, used/gifted ancient knowledge in the botched attempt at the first rejoining and created the void. That is to say, they likely look similar because they use the same foundation, ancient knowledge.
Emet-Selch planned, no, ENGINEERED THIS. He know about the key, the shard that Alexandria resided on, its connection to Tural, and the Tuliyollal’s soon to be power vacuum, all of it. He would’ve have pointed the WoL to go here otherwise. And the key is just the beginning, he wants to show us something, something bigger and more important
First thought that came to mind when you commented about Elidibus waiting for us because Azem told'm to was sort of the opposite of the maybe Azem went forward in time. What if it's the other way around? What if we *become* Azem? Through some means or another, probably not even intentionally, gather and merge with all of our shards, then go back in time to become Venat's protege. Probably where our playable story ends, as we know the eventual outcome is being sundered, so something like that would be more like the final closing act of the game. But it was an interesting thought
i had the same thought! ending it all in a loop like that would be interesting and satisfying
No joke. This is exactly where I’ve been composing my WoL towards story-wise.
never thought of this before but that kinda makes sense. i recently went through endwalker again & multiple npcs talk about how much the player character looks like azem (not just that their soul looks very similar). that would be a good ending & it even plays into MMOs being a cycle of playability a little lol
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That would mean Azem/Wol soul will get stuck in a loop in the future, unable to advance forward, only backward, then forward to a certain point then back again, never truly advancing. It's very disturbing and hellish existence if you ask me.
Something else I noticed, and someone correct me if I am wrong, but the key never actually activates unless the WoL is present. It can be there, shown in cutscenes and inert, but it doesn't actually do it's thing outside of the WoL's/Azem's presence. You can will it to transport you all day but it won't do anything like the Milala tried to do to go back to The Source. Suggesting that a shard of Azem may have been present when they fled the calamity of ice.
@@Teadrinker-zy1yp If that were the case, Zoraal Ja would never have been able to help Sphene activate it and fuse Alexandria to Xak Tural at all. It can be activated without our presence, but they never figured out how the thing works. Just that it can be activated.
Re: Leaping into the volcano, I believe that’s in reference to one of the official short stories; where Elidibus, playing innocent, appeals to Emet-Selch’s sentimentality to acquire (retroactive) permission for Azem stealing the concept of Ifreeta(?), a fire concept; suggesting they manifested the aether of the eruption /to fight the volcano/. For the sake of saving a species of grapes.
Remind me to look at the flavor text of the grapes we have ingame.
@@WyrmLimion Slight correction on my part; Elidibus was shrewdly getting Emet to help avoid Azem getting censured for this. Again.
But otherwise the volcano being solved by turning the fire aether into something tangible and punching the problem is certain; as for the grapes, we just know they belong to a group of islands; likely what would become Vylbrand after the sundering, but that’s idle speculation
The story is titled “Ere our curtain falls” from Tales from the Shadows
@@iaintaylor7390I just love the idea of Azem. Some Ancient that solved problems in strange ways, and just did whatever they wanted.
@@ValbrandrLeonhardt Being honest, how different is that really compared to us players? Especially when transmogs/glamours, mounts, minions, and/or other collectables are involved?
@@bradleydevron Even moreso when it comes to decorating!
I think a clue to how to figure out the function of the key might lie in Hydaelyn’s final moments with us.
"When the way forward is hidden even from the mind's eye, look not to the invocation, but within yourself. These were the words of the crystal's original bearer." That might hold a clue to how the key works and it should in theory respond in a similar way to Azem’s summoning magic. We have been told in game interdimensional fusion shares similarities to that very same magic by G’raha Tia.
My theory was the key was never intended for combining worlds but merely travel. Circumstantial evidence leads me to believe it is capable of crossing beyond worlds and distance due to our crystal able to do its job despite great distance or other reflections. Only catch is that it doesn’t work in other time periods. My theory is it works by establishing a connection point between two locations and allows the user to open a gate of whatever size given how much power is fed into it.
I think Preservation used this trait to make interdimensional fusion happen by only partially using this trait of the key and collapsing the travel points together. They could only ever use it crudely and never found out the full potential.
That makes so much sense!
i think if you consider the usecase of azems magic this theory makes a lot of sense.
If Azems magic is a spell to bring allies anywhere, it would make sense for there to be a mirror of it, to assist someone anywhere. If this crystal holds the "go to your ally anywhere" part of the hypothetical "allies from anywhere" coin, it would make a lot of sense for it to resonate with it.
alternatively it could simply be a tool of exploration but if you consider that the unsundered world was unsundered and we have no knowledge of them ever going to space, i think its likely something azem would've used/given to people to help them around the world, like with the volcano example
I think it may have been created intentionaly to resonate with us, Azem's shattered soul, to allow us to travel between the shards after the sundering.
Ahem, don't forget that the crystals original bearer was Emet-Selch, not Azem. The crystals were created by the Convocation after Azem left and none was created for the defector. This key was created by theit closet friend (Emet) in secret and was never in Azems possession.
@@glain42 yes the crystal wasn't but the magic was
So, something popped out at me when I was rewatching ending cutscenes for the base expansion: Erenville mentions, "It remains to be seen how interdimensional fusion affected other reflections. Krile's parents spoke of the power's capacity for both good and evil. I cannot help but wonder how Sphene's deeds will be remembered by those they touched." I think they may have activated it in the gap of time between Zoraal Ja getting the Key and the fusion to the Source happening. Time dilation was TOTALLY a thing, as 30 years passed by in day (rough comparison), so more than enough time had passed, for them anyways, to attempt a fusion prior to the one with the Source. Also, where is Preservation???? And WHO is Preservation? Like I know generally who they are and what they do, but they gotta still be around, watching from the shadows......like Ascians. lol
When the key isn't glowing orange, doesn't the crystal inside look similar in texture to white auracite?
Yeah I thought this when I saw it in game- like a smaller piece of white auracite with a twist in it
Would be funny if the key's core is made out of Auracite and studied by Azem similar to how Athena studied the Heart of Sabik. Azem may even be (partially) successful in doing so and found some means to aid in travel, making a travelers key.
I am fully convinced Azem is going to be a penultimate and final boss either for an expansion or for the entirety of the game itself.
Simply because of their name in and of itself. A is the Beginning and Z is the End. Their actions were the reason we were able to begin our adventure and they may also be the grand finale.
Azem title the traveler also, perhaps Azem made the gateway tech as a traveling system for the old world and each of the gateways got pulled to every shard
Azem also is evidenced to have some power over time- either precognitive abilities or straight up time travel in some capacity
I thought that the key was Azem's solution to Venat's plans to sunder everyone. A way to breach through the barriers and allow himself and maybe others to visit their friends without a calamity kind of joining.
I think the more simple answer is the Key was made by Emet studying Azem's teleportation magic (he had to have some knowledge of it given it's embedded in the stone) and it was his original plan to rejoin the worlds, via interdimensional fusion but saw it as a flawed method.
I like where you are going with this.
They did work for a long time on this project afterall, and for travel across the rift.
Oh I’m sure Emet knew something about it if he created or not. He led us there when he told us about the Golden City at the end when he listed all the stuff we should do. He most definitely knew where that path would lead us.
@@ChristopherG1990 I dread to think what he had in mind for us with Meracydia or the other reflections. I think he wanted us to find it if we’re going by that logic because we need a method for interdimensional travel to other reflections. After all, he’s entrusting the legacy of his dearest friend to us.
I was thinking about how the existence of a gate in the Cenote was suspect in the first place, especially one that responds to an Azem artifact, if Emet-Selch was the one who built it, it would make sense.
But it doesn’t explain how the Southern Sea Lalafells would get hold of it because there would be no way Emet would take pity on them dying in the calamity
At this point, Azem is the sneaky Ascian leaving bread crumbs everywhere.
See I figured the Key is the beacon or 'node' that connects different shards, and that's how we're able to summon allies from everywhere with azems stone. Basically even without us having the key, whenever we used Azems stone to summon allies in the past the key activated on its own to facilitate it.
We are Azem. The end of our story as WoL will see us become a fully merged ancient being at which point we travel to The World Unsundered and apprentice under Venat. Azem isn’t our past, it’s our future. That’s how Azem has knowledge of future events. As such, Azem creates the key to facilitate this eventuality, closing the time loop.
Crazy Crackpot Theories by Teslo, AKA: Azem.
PS: I’m sure the devs haven’t thought this far ahead, and I’m sure they have multiple story points for this to develop into, so everyone’s guess is likely both correct and incorrect simultaneously. Lol
I have had similar thoughts. But like meeting Azem, for some reason. Time travel being involved or something.
In general the idea of just even briefly meeting or seeing Azem would be cool.
(Especially if the mask design gets revealed or the glyph even.)
I'm of the theory/opinion that Azem is our future selves. We're in a bit of a time loop where eventually we acquire enough Aether as the warrior of light to loop back and become Azem, in the meanwhile we're gathering the pieces and breadcrumbs needed to perpetuate the loop much like how the mechanics of the echo is explained and it's ability to allow us to live and relive our fights in perpetuity.
I figured it'd be interesting if the key was Azem's Rejoining attempt tbh. Afaik the fusion in Heritage Found didn't kill anyone. I think it'd be neat if Azem's plan was to maybe take care of the Final Days, then Zodiark (and maybe Hydaelyn last), and then use that key to safely rejoin the shards together, with the flaw that nobody expected the reflections to change so much.
I think it'd make for some kind of interesting story throughout future expansions if that key just became a problem that threatened to destroy the Source and it's reflections through out-of-control fusions made by the key.
My guess is that Azem was going to help with Pandæmonium, but through the Echo saw us descending from the heavens like a shooting star(their words), and decided to stay out of it. We’ve seen the Echo show powers of foresight and precognition, separate from seeing the past from another’s perspective. Lore wise, the Echo is how we dodge AoE’s in fights. So I’d say it’d be safe to assume that Azim’s power of the Echo was more powerful than others.
The Echo is Hydaelyn's magic ward on us, and Venat says when meeting us that she doesn't remember even casting it, hence why she immediately guess we are from the future. So I'm fairly certain that Azem can't have it :O
@@crahlo The Echo is separate from 'The Blessing of Light', as she described it as a ward against having our aether disrupted. Elidibus revealed that 'the Echo awakened in those who witnessed a Calamity that bore a likeness to their innate ancient memories of the Final Days many millennia ago.' It's just that in recent days they were both seen as one and the same, as those with the Echo automatically had a Blessing of Light on them.
@@Mocita Ooooh... Yeah actually my bad, I may have misunderstood that part
That theory is very similar to mine - I've been thinking that Azem is our future self. As in, upon journey's end, we end up travelling back, having seen all there is to see in the present.
Or perhaps thats why we have NG+ 😂
If we allow that Azem had this massive foresight, I suspect the key was created by them as a solution to a problem that has not reach reached it's crisis point.
My theory is that the aetheric imbalance shown by all the Shards thus far (The First overbalanced to Light, the Thirteenth overbalanced to Dark, the UnLost World overbalanced to Lightning) is that problem. While the Ascians were using it to bring about Rejoinings, nothing could be done about it, and Hydaelyn and the Twelve (And even the Ascians) were in place to correct and steady the balance of the Source after a Rejoining. But the fact that Alexandria's world suffered a Calamity, seemingly without Ascian involvement or a matching Calamity in the Source suggested that Shards can collapse to imbalance all on their own, and really the Ascians were just nudging them past a tipping point they already teetered on by their very nature. This suggests a NATURAL Rejoining could happen... and would likely be devastating, with none of the Ancients or their tools present to stabilize the world after.
I think the key is intended as part of some kind of fix Azem was working on for this.
I’d like to point out that one of the calamities (I believe it was the second or third umbral calamity) was aspected to lightning. So it seems possible to me that the Unlost World is the reflection that was rejoined in the calamity of lightning.
Azem does know about us. One of the dialogue tidbits right after you meet Lahabrea has Themis saying, "Although neither Azem nor I had ever met you in the flesh, you came with her highest recommendation. That alone was enough for me to accept you as an ally without question.
Themis: That somewhere in the world a guiding star so similar to herself was out there amused Azem to no end. There was not a shade of doubt in her heart that you would be a formidable ally." As to how Azem knew we'd end up landing on Themis...it would have been something gremlin!Azem would totally set up whatever way she could.
An Azem who knew at least a little about what was to come would have been making plans within plans (as Venat taught her to, I'm sure), and some of those plans could have involved leaving artifacts around for her future self to find and use. She knew her future self would be the help that Themis needed to investigate Pandaemonium, so she engineered things to drop us on his head just in case he misunderstood the assignment.
That cutscene blew my mind when I saw the same symbol of Azem in the key :O
Which, now, after watching your video and reading some of the comments, make sense to me, bear with me:
The crystal allows us to summon other WoLs, right? well, is it not a kind of in-between shards travel? maybe that's the point of all of this. Azem had somehow the power to travel between shards tho I cannot fathom this last part as before the sundering there were no other shards...
In any case, as demonstrated in ShB we can travel to other shards easily, with our possessions and body, and so, WE, the WoLs are key to travel to other shards, and I think Y'shtola knows it somehow.
The shards didn't exist at the time of Azem's travels. They came to be after the fall of Elpis and all the ancients.
However, the ascians had no difficulty passing between shards. We do, but the ascians did not
You're both very right, my guys, thanks for pointing that out :)
That key would be the perfect tool for spreading enough chaos to start an umbral calamity. Wouldn't surprise me if the Ascians planted it on the south isles to be discovered.
I don't think Azem time travels. I think the reason they knew about the Warrior of Light coming back to Elpis was because Venat told them about her adventure with the player character. They knew the player visited before and likely knew they would come back because of the shenanigans in Pandemonium.
I also think that the reason Azem didn't side with Venat in the Final Days was because she also told them of what would be needed for the Warrior of Light to be born and stop the Final Days in the future. So they sacrificed themselves in order to make it happen. My key to this is "FLOW", the lyrics are sung from Venat's perspective and if she knew the ultimate outcome, that I have zero doubt in my mind Azem would tell her if they knew, she would not be crying every time Azem rises from the Aetherial Sea to be reborn and die.
I fully agree in the thought process that Azem made a lot of their later decisions in life knowing about the WoL, and how we would be the champion to the Star. I think that's why The Key exists in the first place. I think that after being informed of Venat's plan to summon Hydalen, and sunder the world; that Azem put a plan into motion of their own. One that would ensure the WoL would be able not only able to be a Champion to the Source, but to all reflections. Which is why the key has the power to bridge worlds. Azem was a Traveler at heart, and so is the WoL. What better way to champion the Star, and her reflections by connecting them, and traveling there yourself?
Krile's father says the key responds to desires. The Key is very likely to be some kind of ancient Auricite, not unlike the auricitr from the Ivalice raids.
I believe the key is Azem's answer and countermeasure to the final days, Zodiark and Hydaelyn plans. The key was able to create a dome/pocket dimension that allowed Alexandria to survive their rejoining.The dome would have a similar effect to zodiark thus protecting from the final days and being able to let zodiark go. The dimensional fusion aspect is sorta worst case scenario power in which it could undo the sundering of hydaelyn without killing the reflections. Venat and Azem were friends it's not impossible Azem learned of Venats last resort sundering magic and thus made their own countermeasure.
I'm sure the only time Azem will actually and finally appear is when our WOL is about to join the aetherial sea
You might be right about that. Our story needs to end one day...
Azem was sundered, and we are them, well approximately 50% of them. So I doubt they ever appear at all.
Much like how Hermes never appears outside of Elpis. The Fandaniel we know isn't Hermes, he's Amon, a fragment of Hermes with his own personality.
They've been careful not to give too much away about Azem specifically because they relate to the player character, so I expect they'll carry on in the same way.
I'm not a big fan of excessive time travel shenanigans so I hope the video is wrong about that.
@@mattp994I'd just like for us to meet a fragment of Azem that we can be friends with, like Ardbert.
There is a theory that because Azem liked to create familiars that Azem created a perfect replicant of themself and the replicant got sundered and the original Azems travels somewhere beyond Etherys for some reason. That's why Azem created artifacts to make travel easier to reunite the sundered worlds and give the WoL the possibility to rejoin with their counterparts. But it's just a theory and nothing more.
@@ValbrandrLeonhardt that would be fine, but might feel like repetition considering we already did that with Ardbert.
Maybe Azen was alerted to our presence in Elpis, and stealthily spied on our and Venat's subsequent activities. The crystals we've got so far are a breadcrumb trail for the WoL to follow and eventually rejoin the shards non-destructively
Considering Azem's mysterious foresight, it might be the effect of Echo, since it can also grant visions of the future, that is 100% will happen, as we've seen with Bozja story. Only Ancients could invoke it at will and much clearer, so Azem could've foreseen what needs to happen, so he dropped the key at Hythlodaeus, didn't help with summoning of the Hydaelin and al l other stuff.
Could you imagine how annoying it would be to live in a society where people can just do something seemingly random and completely out of left field because some people just have 100% confirmable visions of the future?
You're just sitting at home and you find out someone has put a net under the kitchen counter because they foresaw that you would knock a cup over or something.
Yeah, because I tripped on the net, dummy.
Maybe the key was made as an alternative to rejoinings, Etherys have to eventually return to being whole once the Final Days crisis truly ended, and dimensional fusion could be a way to "rejoin" etherys shards without destroying these shards and their population.
Another thing that bother me is that, i feel the "golden city" gate at sky deep cenote is not made by alexandrians, and maybe it was more "hijacked" by them by Dimensional Fusion when Galuf was investigating it, Yak Tel was struck by meteors in the past and probably leading to the creation of the cenotes in the region, and meteorites were the method of traveling between "dimensions" in FFV, the game were FF14 took reference for the concept of Sundering, Dimensional Fusion, Galuf and Ronkan
Well the Ronkans were said to be very advanced magically, we know very little about them, perhaps they figured out how to travel between shards, but we see a very similar civilization to them on the Source via the dungeon Tender Valley. Also based on one of the versions of history in the Qiqirn beast tribe quests, one could make the argument that the Yok Huy are Descendants of the Ronkans. Just too much unconfirmed to make any sort of real theory about it.
Wild theory to add to this, what if WE are Azem?
Oh god no don't do that lol
That's too much Dr. Who for me!
A complete time loop where we rejoin everyone and end up creating the ancient society, which is actually the future and not the past... it won't happen but they've already dabbled with that with Venat
I'm starting to believe it. This is the first time I've heard Venat refer to her successor as a "He".
I play a female character.
@@sneakytrip6594 If you are referring to Wyrm's clips, that's just because these are his clips. Even in the short stories posted on the Lodestone there was a pronoun switch to match your character in Venat's story.
@@shh532 - Yep. This is just the first time I've had cause to watch that cutscene outside of my own game. Lol. Kinda' blew my mind.
I think it would be very, very interesting to consider that it might not have been Azem who created the key, considering there were no other shards in Azem's time and Azem was sundered. But another shard of Azem like the WoL would both have a connection to Azem and possibly a motivation to travel between shards. And they not be as noble as we are. At this point, could there be any other threat bigger than an anti-WoL? (Can't even call them the Warrior of Darkness, dammit Ardbert)
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"... Likely right in front of our eyes."
Wait... The watcher on the moon? It couldn't be, could it?
I also like the general idea of it being something of a warp stone, being able to go anywhere in the world even without a aetheryte present.
Soooo. My theory. Azem is the true name of the Master of Masters from Kingdom Hearts. He is currently dealing with that issue and will be working with Soar and Rikku before returning to be sundered. Which is why we will soon run into Sora in FFXIV. :)
To me it's quite obviously a piece of auracite. It has very clear connections to both Azem's magic and the Heart of Sabik, in that they're all enabled by "hopes and dreams", as Venat puts it in our final scene with her (dynamis?). It was the Milalla's desperate wish for escape that allowed them to activate the relic to begin with, long before it was encapsulated in electrope. As for the scene where it appears to be syncing with Azem's crystal, I think it more likely that it's actually reacting to our "hopes" directly, rather than the crystal. If it wasn't limited by electrope into the singular purpose of opening a rift, it would likely be able to act in much the same manner our crystal does. Which begs the question; is our crystal a piece of (synthetic?) auracite as well? Very possible, if not even likely.
I am expecting a long story arc where we explore auracite, its many variations and implications, as it appears to be a substance not even the ancients understood fully (which makes sense if it is dependent upon Dynamis to function) - perhaps one entirely alien to Etheirys to begin with, which fits nicely with Cosmic Exploration as well, theme-wise. Also, why did Moenbryda and Urianger dub their creation white auracite, as it appears to have no connection to any of the other auracite we've encountered thus far? Likely a path we'll explore as well. Also, look forward to fighting Ultima (again).
I reckon Azem used the key to leave reflections of his unsundered self to protect each reflection
I hope we get a better explanation of electrope in the future. It's a bit too much "magic mineral" or MGS "nanomachines" right now, and it'd be fun to find out how it originated and what can really be done with it.
i have a theory that i believe that Azem (us) can control time, as you said, view the future so they likely saw not all but pieces, or rather moments of wol life, and with that knowledge did they conspire to do what needed to be done before they became sunderer. For all we know, they might have known about other future unfold, such as that source, that was once before, we died, and g'raha came to the first which alter things. I like to think the strongest magic would be the ability to control time.
I think the key is a fail safe of sorts that Azem created in response to both The Convocation and Venat's plans for the Final Days. A way to reestablish connection between disparate shards and "rejoin" them peacefully through interdimensional travel and not the Ascians calamitous rejoinings. I dont think he was happy with either the summoning of Zodiark or Venat's sundering and spent his/her time devising an alternate solution.
im glad im not the only one that made this observation back in june
now i feel like im not crazy rofl
I do like the idea of Azem nudging things in the present to keep stuff on track, the question is who are they masquerading as? or... OR once our sundered self is whole again at the end of our adventure we travel back in time in full Amourotian mode and position ourselves as whoever takes the Seat of Azem after Venat completing the full time loop???
I might be misremembering but I don't think the lalafells of the south sea isles were passing down the key from generation to generation on the source they were only passing it down after they got to the unlost world reflection. There was text somewhere (maybe the volcano place in the last zone I don't remember) where it said that during the calamity of ice a figure appeared and gave them the key to escape it was only then after escaping that they started passing it down.
I dont recall that, but some of the notes in that area were wrong.
Thank you, this is what I was remembering. That someone (I want to say they called it a goddess?? to my female character) had shown up and given it to them to escape the calamity.
Is fitting for The Traveler have a magical device that allows him to open portals
I have the feeling we are Azem. Like the actual one, not a reincarnation. We have proven time traveling already.
I think the key could be the main thread from which everything stems for the main story arc over the next 10 years. It's functions open limitless possibilities for destinations & time travel, & storywise it could go back & forth between the wrong hands & ourselves & of course there's it's own origin story which we very likely could uncover with an Azem story expansion.
The way it was displayed sitting on the map at the end of DT might not be just a hint of where we might go next, but a huge tell of foreshadowing. And what better moment to foreshadow the next 10 years?
Or then again, it could just get destroyed in patch 7.1 😂
Given we seem to have 2 other reflections in play, Alexandria's homeworld (Unlost World), and the reflection Mecha-Sphene tried to steal from, I would love it if the natives to one of them come knocking to see what the fuck is going on (Unlost noticing the lightning dome is gone, or the one she attacked looking into said attack).
you broke my brain sir XD
ok so i didnt think of the aetherytes but good catch! i immediately thought of the concept crystals in Anyder and on the Moon when i saw the Key.
Also........yes. Some of the cryptic comments about Azem have been very fascinating, if not suspicious lol. Meeting up with them running amok in the present would be quite fascinating. Seeing what happens with the key is something I'm very much looking forward to.
We know the Amourantians were at war, with someone linked to Sabeek if memory serves me correctly. This makes me think, Ultima Seph was human who was trapped in her form during the sundering. We do not know what the effect would be if you were sundered while in an Ancension form, its very possible, you will be trapped. Venat seals Seph away, not kill, if Seph was such a threat with Auracite to the planet then why didn't she?
I personally think Venat, Seph and Azem linked together in the next story through history which led to Seph and Azem building the key. To act as a way to likely recover people if Venat plan went wrong or something. People are assuming Azem takes power off the key but they is another scenario. Azem was sundered, what if the Leader of the Preservation, is actually Azem. If a shard of Azem created the Endless and delivered the key to Sphene to bring more people over, when the WOL touched the key it would naturally resonate with him, the two are the same being after all.
We know Azem didn't believe with the convication over summoning Zodiak, it would make equally amount of sense the other verisons of you are not aware Zodiak is no more.
Ugh I miss those three! Tearing up!
In the most recent short story the chief archivist gave Venat a crystal that was about the cosmos. I am wondering the reason why Azem did not join Venat when she was made a primal, is that Venat gave that crystal to Azem, who in turn traveled forward in time to leave the key on the source with Milala, then traveled back for the sundering.
Nomura has touched the writer's room. In kingdom hearts 3 the repeating phrase is "May your heart be your guiding key", essentially travel between the worlds is guided by your heart's yearning. In this situation why did the lalas go to that shard at that time? Because they had regrets about being unable to save thier home.
The heart calling is also how combat buddies teleporting in works in kh3. (Look up riku summoning sora in the world of darkness)
I think the reason the lala's have the key is because the South Sea isle is probably the same location that Azem went to save from the volcano before the sundering. We know azem liked the isle and it's ppl along with the grapes from there. It isn't far fetched that azem gave the key to the ppl for safe keeping or the key was made there by azem. Then the sundering happened and the key ended up on the south sea isle with the minlala of the source which is it's physical counterpart/origin point.
Makes you wonder if they are going to do a reflection war
Just need to correct you on something: Etheirys is the name of the pre-sundered world, and as such, in the present day would refer to all 14 worlds - so Alexandria's world is also Etheirys. The world that most of FF14 takes place on is called either Hydaelyn or The Source.
My theory is the exact opposite of yours. My thought, is that whenever Square decides its time to end the game, the final expansion will be US, as the WoL, fully recombined with our shards, traveling back to Eitherys to take on our role as the last Azem, creating a closed-loop paradox, setting in motion us becoming the WoL in the "future" once the sundering happens.
Well an easy answer to why the Milala after the first intershard travel couldn't use it is that the High Elder of the Milala that DID use it was Azem's partial self for that time period, obviously there had to be previous Azems to us, and that was a very long time in the past. So after that Azem passed away and returned to the Lifestream, nobody had the resonance with it to make it work. Til much later when it was brute forced into working, but again they didn't know how to guide it so it just did what it did based on the amount of energy put into it.
Also going with a bit of a Star Trek reference here, but with Aetheryte travel, we travel between Aetherytes via the Lifestream(which spans all shards, hence us being able to travel to the 1st). The Key however may make use of the idea that "what if it's Space/Time that's moving and we're standing still?" idea. You connect 2 points in space/time(not 100% sold on the time aspect at ALL), like a wormhole or Dune's folding of space travel method, or even perhaps in a way Elite Dangerous' Frameshift, you're not the traveler in that case, you're the station and you're moving the destination to your location(not physically moving it mind you, just via the gate it seems that way, but with the interdimensional fusion, maybe brute forcing it causes that effect?)
If they use it to create more gateways into other worlds they could make expansions about the reflections and interdimensional threats
I am still very curious about how this will be used.
A part of me feels like Sphene connected to a reflection that will now be pretty pissed off and its up to us to fix things.
@@WyrmLimion *ff7 shinra music starts playing*
@@WyrmLimionI thought we were told Sphenes reflection was pretty much destroyed. It's in a state similar to the 1st, but Levin instead of Light. An event almost like an umbral calamity took place, but obviously wasn't enough to trigger a rejoining.
They keys is DawnTrails version of Tupsimati from ARR, it is an ancient and powerful relic. Both are of Water Element. Azems spirit within the Crystal with Constellation etched like others, calls upon the Stars to your side, the Celestia Aether, much like Astrologians power. There are 2 Constellations in Sky, Alexander and Omega. Both opposite sides of eachother in Sky, like Shiva and Hvaels. One of Time and one of Interdimsional Travel. Crystal Tower used Solar energy and technology of Omega series and Alexander series to create their own Alexander to Travel Back in Time to 1st after 8th Calamity. What if this Cup, infused with Electrope and Arcane runes, Through power of prayer, heighten Emotions of Hearts fervant Hopes and Desires, gathers Celestia Aether it amasses large sums of Aether to cast spells possibly open Gates of Heaven to escape the Sunder to go to Crossroads of Time. There is one to note; the Volacano had settlers on them, Tribes of people that is why Azem went to save them, but also used key to Send them and Volcano to Future after the Sundering, interdimensional fusing the isle to the source, but when Age of Ice happened they used the Key again to go to different reflection merging location to reflect where the Calamity of Lightning happens, Kriles Parents then used key again in Past, to go to Future where Galuf are investigating the Gate in Golden City, drop off Krile with the Cup back in Source. This Cup goes forward and Back in Time, through the power of Memories, as we used Elidibus memories to traverse to Elpis, we use Sphenes Living Memories to Traverse Reflection of Calamity if Lightning. One thing that has been bothering me, The Queen used Time Travel to possibly go to 1st Calamity in the Fight, we just started the Calamity fighting the Queen.
I feel like it's really easy to assume the key was made by Azem, was made in Ancient times but if this is true then the key itself would have been sundered meaning that THERE ARE 14 KEYS.
Thats not how sundering works.
As a Nier fan, i cant let the parallels slip by. Honestly me thinks the key is a seed of destruction
I really need to play NeiR, I feel like im missing so much lol
I do recall the seeds from Drakengard so I assume they are related.
@@WyrmLimion so the specific parallel im referring to is when Sphene noped out and the scene in the last nier raid before the final boss. Those scenes look way too similar to "just reuse assets"
Again as a Nier fan and knowing yoko taro, ff14 is now cannon within nier, so I wouldn't be surprised if some story bleeds into the rest of ff14
I don't think the Key makes sense to send someone forward in time. But I do think it's connected to dimensional travel in some aspect, because Azem is the Traveler. It makes sense for the key's magic to allow interaction with other dimensions because Azem's spell can do the same thing.
The connection to the aetheryte look is something I noticed as well, though, so I suspect that the key's main focus is sort of an inverse of Azem's crystal. Where the crystal calls others to the user, the key is designed to teleport the user (and those around them) somewhere else. Dimensional fusion is an extension of this principle.
We know that "future sight" was one of the (probably rarer) powers of the Ancients. Mikoto's Echo grants her this ability, in a very limited form obviously. While Azem's job was helping people and their specialty was travel, it's quite possible they had the ability to see future events too.
This depends on if Alexandria is really from the 12th shard
If a part of Hermes can become a sick twisted bastard fandaniel what’s stopping a piece of Azem from doing the same?
We can already see there is a part of the Wol that just loves the thrill of the fight especially when you can choose to agree with Xenos.
I have no doubt that the eventually we are going to throw hands with a powerful reflection of ourselves before absorbing more of azem
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oh hai there, happy Tuesday!
If the ‘key’ were to have a counterpart; should it be called “Hyadaelyn’s Foot?
I don't think Azem is in the present. The writers really don't want to show them, to keep player's verisimilitude.
Now, this doesn't mean we couldn't run into something very close to Azem in the present. I speak, of course, of Azem's familiar, which could just use the WoL's character model for extra hilarity. :D
I agree and disagree with different points.
Azem's timey wimey stuff is simpler solved with "The Echo". The Echo seems to be a watered down version of the original Ancient's gift. Azem's/WoL's "Gift" is time based. In cutscenes we can view the past. The Echo buff in duties is rationalized as us using our Echo/Gift to see ways we could fail and starting the battle with foreknowledge from seeing the future. So, I don't think Azem needs time traveling adventures.
But, I agree that Azem might be around in some form. I also think "an" Azem is active in the present in some form. Someone dropped the soul crystals where we'd find them. The South Seas Lalafel say they happen to find the key when they most needed to travel. I'll jump to it. Honestly, I now think the Shoebill is this "Azem". It mysteriously shows up to the confusion of everyone on Elpis where and when an Azem-like being appeared when Hades and Hythlo would have expected Azem to have crashed on the pair of them alone. It has an odd fascination with our interactions with Azem's bestie.
The only thing I'm unsure about is if the true Azem is us, sundered, or the Shoebill. It seems too convienant that when we get confirmation that we "are" Azem it is surounded by the context of Ancients thinking instead we might be a copy/familiar (MSQ) and a raid series where we see multiple copies (Lahabrea self-sundering, Athena copying herself, Themis creating copies of us to fight in the raid battles, etc.). Is the Shoebill a familiar/copy Azem made to monitor things after they were sundered, or did they avoid the Sundering and we are the sundered copy/familiar?
I hope the Eternal Queen Extreme gives us hints
I really am against further time travel, so an alternate theory is Azem was a precog. We know it is a power some Ancients had if Bojza and the echo are any indication.
Though much like time travel, I think seeing 10,000 years into the future seems a bit excessive, so hopefully it would only be precog up to the sundering or something.
Preferably to me, no precog or time travel would be involved, and this artifact is perhaps the product of another incarnation of Azem (be it in the past of the Source or another reflection), OR, the artifact has nothing to do with Azem and Azem's stone simply interacted with the artifact, giving the WoL the ability to use it more freely (vs it previously known state to almost never work).
My concern is things getting too convoluted with either excessive precog planning, time travel, or things becoming too "grand scheme all along!" plot.
But we shall see.
Whatever way we slice these theories, if there is one thing I'm almost sure of, it's that the artifact will be used. If not in the patch quests, then in the coming expansion. Also with how all the signs are suddenly pointing to Azem, I get a sneaking suspicion we will be crossing paths with him/her soon enough.
Excellent theory! And I agree Azem = our future self who is brokenly stupid powerful, I always thought it was after we rejoined with all of our sundered selves but now it's unclear. The ancients saw him as a 'full ancient' though.
i hope azem to be the last enemy/antagonist of the last expansion, they are cooking with him
That's Azem's Forbidden Fruit Gummy of time-space travel for sure, as opposed to the Forbidden Fruit Gummy of Summoning The Squad. As soon as it was branded with Azem's emblem I knew it was ours, and I wanted to say the Speaker might have been a previous incarnation of the WoL, which was how she was able to activate it and send everyone to safety. After all, the way to activate Azem's crystals is for them to will them to work, so why can't she have been our predecessor as the Source's shard of Azem?
If Azem was keeping an eye on us to tbe point where he knew our every move, there's a strong possibility that he's someone we already know. My guess would be Alphinaud, as he's been there since day 1.
I think the key has a reference to the bells in ffix based on its shape.
Imagine that at the end of this arc, we face Azem as a raid boss
the key is definitely linked to azem, and its quite possible he used that key after he used ifritas template to disperse the aether she collected in the volcano to disperse it elsewhere, we also know that ancients were granted specific abilities, hythy and emet have soulsight, venat can create protection wards etc, perhaps the azem we're reincarnated from has foresight, maybe perhaps that key allowed them to travel to different time periods, they definitely knew that they would need to tell themis about their future self, can we also touch on the subject that emet has now confirmed 2 known locations of portals to different shards? the first was the portal to the 13th (ruins beneath the waters of the bounty), and the 2nd was the portal to the 12th (literally calling it the fabled golden cities of the new world) does that mean there is a portal somewhere in the frozen waters of the blindfrost in othards north, the sacred sites of the forgotten people of the south sea isles, and meracydia?
It's an Ancient Auracite like *The Heart of Sabik.*
I believe Azem will eventually be the main antagonist. I have no idea yet how, but he's always been there in the shadows, ans he's definitely going to be a big part of the future MSQ given his link to the key. That would be a great way to build some excitement, as opposed to introducing another random villain #10 which we have no connection to.
Predicting... the WoL's true Ascian name, before Azem, is Chronos.
*Queue the "Oh no! Oh no! Oh no no no no no!" meme music*
So the biggest part of theory is based on yet not showed (if it will ever be) ability of grail-time travel? That's the biggest stretch i've seen
It would be sick if Azem the Traveller turned out to include time travel in their repertoire
Time travel might be a bit of a stretch for Azem. I would say their Echo would give them insight. So here is my line of thinking. Remember how Emet-selch has the ability to see souls, what I would call Underworld Sight (underworld being the ancients' term for aetherial sea). The Sight wasn't unique to him as Hythlodaeus also had it but didn't manifest as strongly. What if Azem had the Echo that was passed onto his sundered souls. As for others with Echoes that aren't Azem related (ignoring other players), they could get it from their resecptive souls, just manifested more or less strongly or differently.
The Echo is capable of showing both past and future. We see the past as cutscenes. Mikoto Jinba's shows the unchangeable future, and even the player (and Fordola Lupis) have limited clairvoyance, hence why we can "see" telegraphs. We only see visions of the future when working in close proximity to Mikoto and likewise vice versa for her. So Azem could either/or both see into the past/future. They could've "met" us by observing us from afar or otherwise glean the info through a past/present/future mutual contact.
I need my Warrior of Light / Azem to achieve immortality.
The memories of Emet-Selch and the Ascians shall not be forgotten.
And the shards need to be explored. A task that may take more than one or two lifetimes.
The time travel theory is interesting, and that theory makes me think that Azem didn’t lose the key in the volcano by accident, but rather when their travels were over and they’d done everything they needed to they simply gave the key to the Lalafel who needed it
It does sound like something Azem would do.
But the likely case is a story we have about a crystal used to ease travel between worlds that was last left in Hythlodeus' care before the sundering. We can only guess where it went later, but I wouldn't be surprised if Emet at least knew about it, since he created Azems crystal, which works the same way on smaller scale.
Maybe Emet realized that interdimensional fusion may be like rejoining, but it's crude and could potentially destroy the Etheirys if attempted on a planet size scale.
7:16 hm. I think it's more that it can be used to open portals elsewhere than being it's intended purpose since well, there were no reflections and other stars where more of a theoretical concept.
Azem has been around in present day, right before our very eyes but not yet time to introduce himself.
Crackpot theory, Azem is the old man you meet at the start of the game, and gives you the ride to Ishgard at the end of ARR.
Old Man the goat!
I'm sure this is a joke, because we already know the player character is a sundered Azem
@@ValbrandrLeonhardtIf old azem can time travel like us?
venat didnt seems surprised to see us time travelling after all
@@the_starweaver_2024 I felt her lack of surprise was more akin to a "that's something Azem would do".
Considering the shenanigans they got up to.
@@ValbrandrLeonhardt very much so, especially since old man doesn't fit with Azem gender change based on player gender.
Something Azem was working on before Venat wdnt psycho and broke everything, my bet.
I believe that Azem created the Key before the Sundering! I think Azem could use it to travel Time & Space! The LaLa's were on their Island during the 5th calamity! They used the Azem Key to teleport & they went through time & space to the 12th calamity!
The alternate timelines is all but confirmed by Alexander back in Heavensward. He mentions seeing all the possible futures and chooses the one we are currently in to help come to fruition. I think a LOT of people forget about he lore from that raid.
I mean, Alex must have seen all the things we would do. Saving the source from entropy incarnate is kind of a huge deal. Saving the source from a crude rejoining is also probably a huge deal.
@@ValbrandrLeonhardt True.
@@ValbrandrLeonhardt No, remember Alexander said our future is the only one he can't see.
It looks to me like the centre of the key is a piece of auracite and, considering that it was around during the time of the Ancients and also seems to have the ability to interdimensionally travel, it makes me wonder if it's maybe somehow related to the Heart of Sabik since it's a piece of auracite that's been around since the time of the Ancients and is implied to have come from another world as well. Maybe the two are paired somehow, opposing forced or the Key was sent to the dimension of Etherys in order to provide them with what they need to deal with the Heart of Sabik. The questions are, however, what is the dimension that the auracites are from, what's it like, why were they sent to Etherys, and what or who is behind it?
I dunno. The answers never feel as satisfying as the mystery.
That is very true! The journey to the truth is always the exciting part.
Wandering minstrel = azem?
But isn't when azem stopped the volcano from erupting, uses ifrit's concept and summoned him? Later then fight and beat him to then disperse the excess of fire aerher in the volcano?