Out of Balance - The West's Wild Horses
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 เม.ย. 2022
- Wild Horse populations throughout the West have far exceeded the AML or appropriate management level set in the wild horse and burrow act. They are creating a battle for resources with other wildlife and causing severe damage to the health of the range. This documentary discusses current solutions and how this issue is effecting public land ranchers as well.
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I live in Wisconsin and adopted 5 BLM horses over the last 15 years. There are actually thousands of people who would like to adopt wild horses here in the East but the BLM won't make them accessible. Sure we get a few now and then but if we had year round access to adopt like people in the west, we'd adopt thousands more. There is only one adoption facility east of the Mississippi River. It holds 300 horses for half the US. Western facilities hold more like 15,000 horses that can be adopted. We need more adoption facilities in the East. Tell your legislators to open adoption facilities in eastern states and we can take those horses off your land and give them good homes. We have good pastures here and a lot of demand for the wild ones.
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The B.L.M makes it extremely difficult to adopt a horse.
You have to have a 6ft high enclosure. And many other requirements before you can adopt 5 ft high for a foal.
So even if you have land and have it completely fenced in. And your horses are perfectly fine in your fenced-in meadow, but to adopt a wild horse, you have to refence it up to
You have to have a 400 square feet enclosure per horse.
Many people are willing to adopt a mustang, but these adoption rules are such that people can not refence their entire acres.
People in cities see wild horses as part of the American West.
However, improper management by the B.L.M. who are in charge of these horses.
This means that due to overpopulation and scarcity of food, especially in the winter months. Leads to horses dying due to starvation. A horse at minimum needs 25 lbs of hay per day.
What people don't understand is that in the winter, they need more to keep up their body temperature.
Even though wild horses are hardy to cold temperatures, people don't realize that many of these horses live in the mountains, and the grass gets covered by deep snow.
The B.L.M. should be feeding these horses supplemental hay. But they don't do this enough.
This leads to horses dying 0 agonizing slow death due to starvation.
In the spring, it leads to foals dying because the mare does not have enough milk.
This is the harsh truth of not gelding young stallions.
The wild horses like the Elk in yellow stone.
Have no natural apex Predators to keep their numbers àt a healthy level a herd of horses can easily stomp a mountain lion or cayoťe to death.
People are also against the round-ups done by the B.L.M. but they are necessary to keep the herds healthy.
Anybody who has ever owned a horse knows they need to be vaccinated, and vet checked dewormed.
Also, during the round ups, the overall health of a herd is assest.
Foals that are weaned are taken to adoption pens, and other horses that are deemed adoptable are separated.
People who have little to no understanding of horses do not realize that to let thè wild horse population grow and grow without intervention are in the long run dooming the wild horses to agonizing death by starvation or dehydration.
However, it's hard to make people who have never owned a horse.
Understand the dire situation of the overpopulation of the wild horse.
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Good video, thanks, Jim French and Jenny too. This whole thing is so sad, for everything out there.
It will always be a sensitive issue but wild horses are exactly that horses allowed to go wild, or feral, they are not native fauna. As such they have to be managed or the chaos will continue and the horses and native fauna will continue to suffer. The do nothing option is not a humane or sustainable option. Beyond the calculated wild horse number the rest should be harvested as a commodity and utilized, those that are unsuitable for rehoming can be utilized as protein. The reduction of number should be based on removing the old, weak and poor confirmation, leaving the higher quality horses with the best genetics. This will lead to a higher quality horse that will be more desireable for rehoming, increasing rather than reducing long term sustainability of wild horses management. If this is not done major die offs will occur after prolonged suffering and that is not humane.
it's the cattle that's the problem not the horses, they are being used as scapegoats for the cattle industry.All about money
What if we re-introduced the natural predators? Wolves and mountain lions can help manage feral horses (for free!).
@@alg12700l there are no natural predators to be "re-introduced" because feral horses are an introduced species. They are not native to North America, and even mountain lions are not an effective management strategy
Great location for a data center.
And it's ended with "growing your food on public land" - is this a joke? Come on!
They are feral horses, not really a native species here. True that horses originally evolved in North America, beginning way back in the Eocene, horses have a long, complex evolution and those ancient, native horses are long extinct, but these are domestic horses of European origin, bred by human beings. They are an introduced species, like English House Sparrows, Rock Doves, ( common city pigeons) and Norway Rats.
Take a trip to the National Archives. Look up your family origins. Unless you are native American, you are a feral. You did not originate in North America, you are an introduced species.
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It’s sad that the ranchers are losing their livelihood, but they were doomed from the beginning. When you remove apex predators you create a situation that has to be intensively managed. There nothing that can manage nature better than nature herself. The European agrarian societies are the ones that brought the horses in the first place.
They have no legitimate claim to the land in the first place.
It's not even that, the wild horse and burro act is 100% about maintaining an aesthetic, and nothing to do with resource or species protection.
less than 3% of our nations beef is grown on public lands.
Take note from the Mongolian herdsmen and Native Americans. Nurture first the dirt you graze on and rotate the cattle appropriately. Secondly solidify the mustang breed with a registry and stud book, putting it in the hands of ranchers AND the tribes. Thirdly it's not inhumane to eat under preformers. Fourthly developed a natural/respectful relationship with wolves and understand that they will help you cull the weak, sick or injured, thus helping you to develop a better breed of whatever beast you're raising. Final note. Remember the bison, his numbers were great and the land flourished with him.
At 5:00 in, the guy keeps saying his "allotment".
What that really means is he is permitted to raise his livestock on public land for a certain period.
So you and I are funding the raising of his livestock for that portion of the year, yet when we go to purchase said meat, we do NOT receive a discount. Most farmers and ranchers don't live near public lands, and have to pay 100% of the feed bill.
Yet those whom do live close charge the same price.
Therein, is the real source of the issue. These public land users want the horses (and eventually the wildlife) off of the land, so they can expand their operation. An operation that you fund twice.
Also 98% of "food" grown an AMERICAS PUBLIC lands us actually shipped overseas
Why does the federal government own so much of the west's land?
Horsemeat is in fact delicious and is eaten by many people around the world. Only in the United States do some people have an issue with it.
A simple matter of morals and ethics. You DON'T EAT those that serve- carry into WAR, Built this country, transport, make livelihoods.
@@nmr8er horses have served other nations as well, for thousands of years, yet, they are still used as food, including both meat and milk and for leather and other products.
@@nmr8er Cows, aka oxen, pulled more wagons and plows during the US expansion into the west than horses ever did, yet we eat cows without hesitation.
The reason horse meat is not allowed for human consumption in the United States is a regulation by the FDA.
Because it is unknown what kind of drugs were used over the lifetime of the horse.
This goes especially for race horses, barelrace, and rodeo horses.
There is no horse meat industry in the United States.
Horses that are sold for horse meat get either shipped to Canada or Mexico. For slaughter and use mostly in Europe.
@@sandrastevens4418 these feral horses would not have drugs or medications in their systems. The surplus ones could certainly be used as food. Times are getting tough, and they should be used as a food source especially if there is going to be any risks of food shortages.
I heard there are 50 cows to every 1 horse on our public lands now. How can the horses be the ones overgrazing at that ratio? I don't think there should be any private livestock grazing on public lands. Only wild animals, including mustangs.
I think it's obvious that you didn't take time to actually watch this documentary. But go ahead and speak from ignorance.
@@hollybromley47 I watched the whole thing
@@hollybromley47 Also, why is it ignorance that I believe there should not be anything on our public lands but wild animals, including mustangs? It is my opinion. That has nothing to do with knowledge about the details in this movie (even though I did watch it and they did not change my mind). Do you think there should be grazing for profit of private interests on our public lands? If so, why? Maybe you can provide additional information to change my mind. I doubt it but we can have the discussion. I would be curious to hear what your arguments would be to take away pubilc lands from wild animals and mustangs to provide for-profit interests with cheap land leases. I guess if you profit from the such a lease you would agrue for it. Are there other, objective arguments?
@@hollybromley47 the docu is pretty biased, which disappointed me.
@@riodejaneiro7675 because they are using the horses as scapegoats to bring more cattle in and they're doing it right before our eyes, they are not protecting the horses at all and pushing them away from good grazing land and giving it all to cattle.the gov't is not humane one bit, they treat them like shit. F the adoption bullcrap and get rid of the cattle that's the way it's supposed to be it's supposed to be for the horses but greed and money always seem to win the day
To be honest sheep are hard on desert ranglands .
they need to geld all but 2 or 3 stallions per state
Sorry but that simply will not work. First, you'd have a hard time capturing all the rest of the stallions, there are areas where no one can find the horses at all (hills, canyons, etc). Secondly, by reducing the number of stallions drastically, you eliminate any genetic diversity, start having genetic problems in the foals that are born. And, of course, 1 stallion can breed a WHOLE LOT of mares -- you're really NOT going to reduce the number of foals born, just destroy their diversity and genetic health - increasing deaths by genetic defects, I suppose. Spaying mares has proven to be somewhat beneficial; darting with PZP or other hormone birth control has limited effectiveness, as noted in the video -- the need a booster, and finding the same mares again is a crap shoot. What we NEED to do is keep activists out of the picture, allow the BLM to do their jobs, and manage the horses appropriately, and no doubt update the bill since the numbers are completely skewed now. Getting information out about BLM adoptions and getting these horses adopted helps -- my 22-yo BLM mare is happy as can be in her pasture! Sensitive subject and pulls at LOTS of heartstrings...
If ranchers hadn't killed off all of the Apex predators, there wouldn't be a problem. But god forbid a few calves disappear. We need to reintroduce Apex predators and leave them alone. Then the ecosystem will slowly go back to where it should be. I've also heard that cattle pull the grass out by it's roots. Not the horses. Is this the truth?
horses crop grass to the ground when they eat, which kills the grass. It's true that cows can pull grass out of the ground, but that's usually mismanagement. cows want the tops of the grass because it has the most sugar from the sun. horses want protein and will pick out highly desirable forage and graze it down to the top of the soil until it desiccates, even when other good grass is standing knee-high nearby.
The american timber wolf is extinct. Canadian grey wolf cannot take its place in the western range, and the mexican gray wolf doesn't have the same prey. But wild predators should absolutely be reintroduced. The US government reimburses farmers for any cow lost to wolves, if they can prove it. I'm less familiar with those regulations, but good dogs and playing 'wolf radio'- pre-recorded wolf howls that wolves use to mark territories- will keep wolves out of your herds. Individual problem animals that are habituated to prey on livestock may be killed by ranchers anyways.
These horses are not native wildlife, so they have no real natural predators to keep their population in balance. Human beings brought them here, so it's up to people to control and manage their populations.
This is not true, apex predators would kill off all other wildlife before going after horses, horses are fast, travel in herds of 30+ and can kill any predator with a good placed kick, predators have to be dumb or starving to even think of going after a wild horse.
Most of the range these horses inhabit is not the range that bears and wolves would choose to live in anyway. There are cougars on these ranges but again, they are smart and will choose to take down a smaller animal (deer, antelope, or their young) over a horse.
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Why do ranchers get "designated allotments of land?". And then they cry because horses are on land that was meant for them? What gives them the right to public lands? Can I go put cattle in all public parks? Especially when China now owns over 25% of the cattle industry in America. Who are the cattle for? Americans, or Chinese?
it's all about the cattle industry and greed
Why can the government not sell un adopted horses for meat, farmers can
Actually, in the US horse meat is legally defined as not fit for consumption. If I remember correctly, It has to do with the risk of anabolic steroids and medications banned for human consumption getting into the food supply due to the horse racing industry.
I don't think it's all the horses fault!!
It is not about the horses fault. It is that the Protection Act was designed for a certain number of horses as a part of the multi use aspect of public lands. A the time of the Act there were 25,000 horses. In 2020 there were 95,000. Animals are dying out there!
How about the cattle ranchers pay for their own cattle feed. The wild horses wouldn’t have to compete with them for food
If ranchers had to buy all the feed consumed by animals that most people depend on for meat you couldn’t afford to buy it. I’m not a rancher or farmer and even I can see the reasoning behind this argument
@@duncancd5375 Tell me, how do Ontario farmers raise beef without open range and still make a profit
@@carlaskillings4312 they don't, they get subsidies from the government. all farmers do.
@@GBR9794 Thanks for the information, I didn’t know about the government subsidies, wow, tough being any kind of farmer or rancher these days
@@carlaskillings4312 it is, if there are no government subsidies, we will need the minimum wage of at least 23 dollars an hour to survive. during the great depression, the government did that to suppress grocery prices for preventing the worst outcome which is mass starvation death in the cities while farmers burning crops due to no sales.
"Growing your food on your public land"? Nice dramatic way to end this. What this video fails to mention is less than 3% of our nations beef is grown on public lands. It is past time to re think livestock grazing allotments on arid western landscapes.
I agree they talk about how many horses are grazing on over a million acres of land. They never say how meny head of sheep and cattle that they are grazing. They say they pay to grase there animals on this land but they pay pennies compared to what others pay. They show one skinny horse. Thinking you'll be to busy looking at the skinny one to notice the fat one's behind it. It's not there land its Our Land too.
Bureau of land mutilation.
Taking millions of acres from them and shoving them to the deserts of the West doesn't constitute an overpopulation. "Agreed to." No, these were what was left after the slaughter. BLM should have implemented augmentation of wildlands and acquired land vs allowing politicians to trade it away.
Thank you to ranchers who work with horses.
So sayeth the welfare ranchers. $1.35 a month per cow/calf. waaaaa
Eliminate the horses to keep the balance? How about the cattle? And if the people in Europe want to eat horse, that's their business, but NOT HORSES from America!
Remove the cattle and reinstate Apex predators. If it was just our food it would be one thing, but it's not. If China keeps buying their way into the ranching industry we will soon be buying our beef from them. And what about the billions of acres of public lands that again China has somehow gotten the mineral rights for? Maybe it's time to keep Americas' public lands for Americans. Then maybe there will be a way for ranchers and horses to get along.
There seemed to be an awful lot of cattle and sheep compared to wild life. I live in an are where ranchers have to substance there live stock on there property. If there's a drought or shortage of hey they deal with it. They don't cry about not having public lands to feed there livestock on for free
Thank you!
Kim the allotments are not free, the ranchers have to lease the land from the BLM/Forest Service. They also have strict rules they have to adhere to in their land usage. I suggest you rewatch the video to at least come to a some understang of the situation facing theNevada rangeland.
@@ashleycanfield6854 I know they pay very little.
You live in Canada so shout your mouth this has nothing to do with you in Canada.
@@WillSmith-gv1ok I live in Texas where we buy the land live stock is raised on
Our rangelands are in horrible condition, not from the horses but from cattle. If you can't beat them join them! The horses are replicating with no help while cattle need constant care. Horses taste just as good as cattle. Let's remove all cattle from public lands and encourage wild animals for food and to maintain the natural ecosystems. Bring back the wolves and the Beavers. It just doesn't make sense to cater to the European cattle when we have animals well adapted to our environment that are increasing in number without our help! All of these fences are huge impediments to the antelope and other wildlife. End grazing on public lands!
The horses are also an introduced species from Eurasia and are detrimental to rangeland and native species
Start roping them and use them. Maybe restaurants oughta start offering horse meat
So biased.
How can they survive while being chased by Helicopters and taken to get slaughtered . Let's tell the real story.
exactly, this video was so biased towards these horses!
Leave the horse's alone,they were there long before people and cattle ranchers..!
Actually they have been here since early Spanish explorers brought them here. They are feral horses, not native wildlife.
No wild horses they are feral learn the difference!
Sorry, Wild Horses are Native and they deserve their native predators. YOU have wiped them out for livestock. THINK YELLOWSTONE. Some cultures eat cats, rats, dogs, monkeys, horses. If that is what you want to eat, move there.
Wild horses are an invasive species introduced from Eurasia. Not native to the Americas
They are not native. They are from Europe and were brought here with colonization. We don't have fossils that prove they were native here.
it's not that simple unfortunately
No, "wild" horses are actually feral domestic stock that are not native to the environment.
You would do well to actually watch this documentary and learn more about how this non-native species is not only destroying the habitat of native species but destroying their own ability to survive because their overpopulation is ultimately leading to starvation.
@@hollybromley47 Well, that is being debated. That region of the world (our US) is actually considered the origin of the horse species. It is very interesting and not a simple topic. Yes, current mustangs are offspring from feral horses, but some came so long ago that they have earned their place in the west as a wild animal again, some think. Together with ancient horse bones found in the region, it makes a good argument for accepting them as wildlife on our lands.
There isn't wild horse overpopulation. It's rancher's livestock overpopulation to supply the need of beef for all those beef eating people. I'll never eat beef again. Just decided that I'm not going to support ranchers out west.
First you graze on public land public largesse and pay little to do so. Also 1.5 million cattle graze on public lands vs 82k feral horses. That's 18x more cattle than horses. Or 13x if you count 75% AUM.
It's public land and the public wants them. Too bad so sad.
It's amazing all the horses look great and healthy except the couple pics of the thin brown one. The horses where there first where they should stay. they should stop rounding them up and start a birth control instead. All these cattle farmers can go somewhere else if they don't like the wildlife that comes with the land. keep the horses get rid of the livestock farmers that complain about the land they want
No, the horses were introduced by Europeans. They are an invasive species
The cows where as well but the horse have been there longer.they are beautiful majestic animals and don't deserve being scared to death because of human mistake many years ago.
Who really put this video out. ,sounds like cattle ranchers. ,,why don't we all quit eating beef ,,that would fix it all ,,and then maybe God will be pleased with us more
They should bring lions so they could eat the cattle.