Honda CL500 : First ride review - what could possibly go wrong ?
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- Honda #CL500 : First ride impressions
Since my accident last year, this is my first ride on a bike for 18 months. What could possibly go wrong?
Regardless of that this video focuses on why I bought the #CL500 and whether or not on the basis of a couple of rides, does it fit my usage needs and expectations. Also, I'll try and make a case for its looks!
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The CL500 is the Hob Knob of bikes. It is not rare or exotic. but it is lumpy, granular, honest and very satisfying.
Mr Fandango - how the devil are you? Well and thriving I hope. Ah yes, I forgot to do the biscuit comparison - I’ll have to get my act together next time around.
Lumpy and granular? I like it! How about a ginger nut? Good for dunking?
I shall do more biscuit research and report back 😋
All the best, cheers, Phil.
Love the user name… “ yes I can hear you Clem Fandango”
@@xclent1975 So right, it is one of the best!
Congrats on the new bike Phil! Very nice to see your continued recovery and another bike review 👍
Thank you very much! Really appreciate the support. Hope all is well with you, cheers, Phil.
Great new bike tutorial. Definately seems like the perfect match for your plans. I look forward to your longterm review and adventures on it. Great job on the leg too. Well done.
Good morning Mr. Neutral, thank you very much. I'm looking forward to getting the bike (and myself) very dirty over the next months and years. I reckon the CL looks better when it's grubby - what do you think? The leg continues to improve so I'm going bungee jumping this afternoon followed by ski-jumping at the local dry slope. Oh, I then I woke up -)
All the best, cheers, Phil.
YEEEEAH, great to see you back on a proper bike after the wreck! Inspirational stuff; there are few joys greater than being on two wheels.
Morning Jim, how are you doing? Great to hear from you today. Thanks very much for stopping by and your kind comments. Yeah, two wheels, regardless of size, colour or speed are just the best! Have a good day, cheers, Phil.
Great to see you still on the bike and making decent reviews. Hope the leg injury is continuing to heal up.
Thanks Glenn, good to hear from you & and yes, things continue to improve, thanks. All the best, cheers, Phil.
Great video, good and real. I got the dark green one and put 2,000 miles on in 2.5 months.
Love it so far. Traded in a Honda 1100cc Rebel DCT for it with 14,600 miles. Now I'm taking all my turns at least 15 miles faster . The CL is very nimble and 100lds lighter. Fits my needs a lot better. It feels more mechanical and tool like. Great handling.
Greetings from the NJ shore USA.
Hey Andre, good to hear from you - glad you enjoyed the video. Great to know you’re enjoying yours and yes, the handling is light, not skittish and so much fun. Light and basic is something I missed without really realising it.
Hope all is well over in New Jersey, thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
P.s. And happy thanksgiving for next week.
Hi Phil. That's amazing that your back on a motorcycle hey! I'm happy for you bro.
On my side here in Canada, I already winterized my crf250l and I finally did my motorcycle license so next year I will be finally full legal on it. Have a good day Phil
Hey Francis, how are you doing ? Great to hear from you. I guess it's starting to get a little cold over in Canada? It's rather cool here now also...Excellent news on your CRF and congratulations on getting your full licence sorted - well done!
All the best Francis and likewise, have a great day! Cheers, Phil.
Good to see you back man
Hello and thank you very much 😀 All the best, cheers, Phil.
Great video, and good information, I been considering the cl as a replacement for my adv. Bike since I been doing more back roads than long distance touring lately, What I been noticing from a lot of the comments that is a love or hate kind of Bike ,I do like it, and also like the fact that is also almost 20lbs lighter than the cb500x plus it should have a nicer low center of gravity, thanks for sharing
Hello Mr Ferkuzuel, good to hear from you and many thanks for stopping by. It's good to know you enjoyed the video and found it useful.
I'm now around 1,500 miles and I'm still really enjoying it. It spends most of its time getting grubby on little back roads - the kind that have grass growing in the middle of them and lots of gravel or mud. And it's a lot of fun. Also, as I said in the video, while I don't mistreat it I'm also not so precious about taking it on such roads. It's so easy to handle as well, the seat height, weight and handlebars just make it super-easy to throw around while also giving confidence on roads less travelled.
It's not an object of desire sure, but it's a friendly, bouncy little thing on the right roads. Hope that helps, all the best, cheers, Phil.
Great to see you on a "normal" bike again! I kinda like the awkward looking CL500. It is definitely not pretty, but it definitely has some X factor...enjoy your new toy, Phil!
Hey Goran, thank you very much! Awkward is a good word to describe it actually - totally spot on. It certainly stands out a bit 😀 and I can’t wait to get more miles on it. All the best, have a good weekend, cheers, Phil.
Glad you recovered from that horrible accident. Stay safe.
Thanks! Likewise!
Hello Phil, congrats on your new purchase. Happy cycling. :)
Evening Bilal, great to hear from you again, how are you doing? All good I hope. And yes, it’s so nice to be back on a bike again. All the best, cheers, Phil.
Welcome back to 2 wheels. Great choice, a perfect all-rounder. I have the 500x because of a bit of a motorway commute. But it's amazing on the backroads too. I also had a puncture on my first ride. Still on the same tyre with a plug in it. 🙄 Enjoy it mate👍
Afternoon Simon, thanks for the welcome back 😀 The 500 is a lovely engine in any of the variants - it’s so nice to be able to give it a big handful and not worry about reaching escape velocity, yet, at the same time still feeling a nice hit of acceleration.
Glad you did better than me with the repair! All the best, thanks for dropping by, cheers, Phil.
interesting Phil looking forward to more updates, nice colour
Mr. Lawson…Orange is the new black…I’m sure I read that somewhere or is it a TV programme? Either way thanks for stopping by - always good to hear from you. I can’t promise regular updates as I’ll be hibernating with a stash of nuts and Guinness soon, but I’ll see what I can do. All the best, cheers, Phil.
Congratulations in returning to the fold, motorbikes do have a way of getting into your blood, skin and shin bone 😯
My pal had a similar experience and very thankfully suffered only a broken collarbone due to a) avoiding a collision with the errant car through course correction onto a conveniently placed patch of smooth grass, then b) discovering said smooth grass was providing cover for churned up mud and tractor tracks! But he did get off relatively lightly though, as far as a 6'4" 16 stone pensioner could be expected.
His reaction to returning to the saddle was very similar to yours in terms of giving up a near life-long interest but I'm pleased to say that within 6 months a TDM 900 was welcomed into his garage.
I wish you both many more happy days of pootling around on motorbikes. And am keen to discover a lot more of your hidden roads in Northumberland and I will take advantage of Otterburn Mills' cafe's late 1960's menu offerings, in particular it's Liver & onions or corned beef hot pot. Hearty meals now rarely seen in a modern cafe's offerings.
Thanks a lot Paul! Your friend did very well - he must have great presence of mind and reactions and as you say, that size of bloke sliding through the mud is a lot of mass! I’ve always liked TDM’s…
Keep an eye out then for a little orange bike in Northumberland and give me a wave and you’ll know it’s me in the Otterburn cafe as I’ll be having the vegetarian option 😉
Thanks for stopping by Paul, all the best, cheers, Phil.
I bought this in green in May 2023. I love it for all the reasons you state. It only goes out in the dry, but on the few occasions, I have been caught out in the rain, it is a bit of a dirt magnet. I've got the Travel Pack and just love taking this motorcycle on bumpy (dry) B Roads. The suspension is a dream, and ooh, that light clutch. I do wonder if the new Honda E Clutch can be done as a retrofit, if/when I get mobility limitations
Afternoon Farhan, it's great to hear from a fellow CL owner - and good to know you're still enjoying it. I might consider the travel pack actually (or rather just the pannier rail and bag) as there is absolutely nowhere (as you know) to store anything & I hate using rucksacks. Like you, I love the clutch and the total ease of use - it's brilliant.
The e-clutch does sound interesting actually and it should be a better solution than say DCT - I'm sure Honda will be spreading it across the range over the next few years. If you get to have a go of it, let me know as I'd be interested to get your thoughts.
Anyway, thanks for stopping by Farhan, all the best, cheers, Phil.
I hung on to your every word Phil. The way you poured the beer and the recommendation to pair it with Stilton was priceless. We need to talk about your dislike of Bournville chocolate though.
Seen some secret pics of your new bike. Garelli is my guess. Review coming soon…..?
When do I get my Top Fan badge?
Must go need to hit that “watch again” button…….
Cheers, I’ll be in touch soon.
Evening Jon, has your nurse been yet to plump up your pillows? Garelli….Now that would be nice. If I got one could I send it to you for any necessary repairs? I’m sure you must have a few spare helicoils and/or rawl plugs kicking about?
As always, your stickers are in the post along with some new tablets. Two green, three blue, twice daily on alternate days except when it’s a leap year. And no, you can’t have a spoonful of sugar.
Must go before I do the full Julie Andrew’s. All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Glad you like the Honda. Nice to see you motorcycling properly again. Can’t wait for the stickers. I’ll be the envy of somebody somewhere. 😀
Great to see you back on two wheels. You could review a Puch Maxi and I'd still enjoy your one-liners. Lovely filming, as usual. What about the biscuits and beer?
Good afternoon Mr. Woodster. it's very good to hear from you. Yes and thank you - two wheels are the best really and it is totally fabulous to be back on a bike again.
And actually, I'd love a go on a Puch Maxi one day (with basket up front)...
Biscuits, beer & cheese will be coming soon!
All the best, cheers, Phil.
Hi again Phil, nice bike mate! Like the colour & the styling! No Indian Scout for you then! Happy days! 😎🏍👍
Hey Paul, how are you doing? Ha ha no Scout this time around though I did go and sit on one and it’s a mightily impressive and well finished machine.
I figured though that for buzzing around snotty roads it would be a waste of a cracking bike plus of course I figured you’d be round all the time and borrowing it 😉
Hope you and Mrs C are well, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews you’re dead right about getting crud on the Scout with all that chrome to clean! 😎👍
Subscribed. Always ride safe and nice vid!
Good morning Dawoud,
Many thanks for the sub and for stopping by. Glad you enjoyed the video and likewise, ride safe, all the best, cheers, Phil.
Excellent production as always. Think you made the right choice over one of the new (unproven) Triumph 400 variants. I also like the CL.. omission of centre stand compatibility put me off a bit but that was about it. I clicked the thumb down by mistake - corrected it though hopefully!
Good afternoon Robster, how are you doing? Thanks for dropping by. And yeah, While I'm sure the new Triumph 400's will be fab & reliable, when you're after something to abuse, thrash and get dirty, a basic Honda is always a good way to go regardless of what it looks like.
Plus, not not feeling bad about any of the above kinda precludes the Triumphs for me as they are a bit too nice! And nice is Adele, whereas I much prefer PJ Harvey :-)
A centre stand would be nice I agree - with the exhaust / cat routing it would be difficult though, so I've dug out my old dirt bike scissor stand for home based maintenance.
Thumbs up / down are fine - glad you enjoyed the video, all the best, Phil.
Hey Phil, nice choice! It's a bike that's been on my radar too but no more room in the garage 😢 I love the style, just a basic motorbike! I wish they did a 500 single, that would be interesting 😊Like you, I really like that tubular swing arm. As I recall, both of my first bikes (BSA C15 and A65) had tubular swing arms. Shame about the flat tyre though, I had a rear puncture on one of my bikes about a month ago ........ £165 later 😮Anyway, enjoy the beast and stay safe. Best regards, Phil (Somerset)
Morning Phil, how are you doing? No more room in the garage? Oh well, that's not a bad problem to have is it ! Yeah, basic is good though and the idea of a 500ish single by Honda would get me quite excited! I loved the XBR500 when that was around. Maybe they will develop one as singles do seem to be a thing again these days. And yes, more tubular swing-arms please :-) I missed the british-bike era but I've always liked BSA's - I'd get an old A10 if it had electric start oh and I knew what I was doing, which I don 't.
Sorry to hear about your (pricey) puncture though - 'tis the season I guess. Anyway, likewise Phil. Have a good week, stay warm, safe and fully inflated - great to hear from you. cheers, Phil.
❤ the stray cur @ 2:35 in the background.
(actually on a leash, but I imagine it coming up to you with sad brown eyes and asking for a treat)
Mr. Bolt! Great to hear from you again! As for the cur..Well, normally that happens but that one is a bit of a little snapper - small dog syndrome I think. But otherwise yes, the CL is well liked by shaggy dogs and their owners. Now if it were a black lab, I'd be smitten....Cheers, Phil.
It’s about time ALL motorcycle manufacturers fitted front mudguards that were fit for purpose and keep the crud off the engine. Too much style over substance, enjoy the bike it looks nice to me too
Afternoon Andrew, very true! Like a decent mudguard would cost, oh, I don’t know, another 7p to make? Anyway, thanks for stopping by Andrew and it’s good to know someone else likes the cut of the CL’s jib 😀 All the best, cheers, Phil.
Great honest video! I quite like the looks as well. People are much too crowd influenced. The colors I would probably get would be the green tank and the white front windscreen, but i dont know if I would keep it white or paint it myself another color. Perhaps black or gray. Thank you for the video
Good morning Renato, thanks for dropping by and a Happy New Year to you. It's good to know you enjoyed the review. With respect to the looks, as I sort of alluded to it's seems that the 'only' attractive bike these days is the 'Bonneville' look and undoubtably they are lovely but it doesn't mean everything else is excluded. The CL is a little eccentric and partly industrial looking which I personally think is very interesting. People didn't like the Lloyds of London Building, Sydney Opera House or a million other examples and now they are revered. Not that I'm saying the CL is up there with Sidney Opera House of course!
I suspect the CL isn't selling too well and may very well be dropped in another year or two at which point it will start to assume 'cult' status. Or maybe I'm just biased as I like it so much :-)
All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews i agree Phill. It does look a bit different in a good way. The classic look has been 'revived' for a bunch of years now and it just seems to be 'alive' and common at this point haha. Happy new year too you too, may the new year bring a lot of cool rides for us all
Great to see you back on a proper motorcycle again Phil! Enjoy the mucky wilds of Northumberland & sharing the wonderful scenery with us. How long do you think the black finish on the exhaust will last?
Thanks Hugh! As for the exhaust, well, based on previous experience I’m giving it two weeks on Thursday. Never fear though, Jon is doing a sideline in exhaust repairs and general maintenance, plus he’s got a new paintbrush, so I know where to take it. As for the ‘mucky wilds’ hmmm do you know something I don’t?
Must dash, all the best, cheers, Phil.
I have one of those short mudguards and yes, it does throw dirt all over the bike and rider but worse than that, the front wheel picks up sharp objects and chucks them at the rear. After many years of no punctures, I’ve had unrepairable damage to two new rear tyres! Glad to see you on a bike 🙂
Hello, good evening! Two punctures! Oh no! Sorry to hear that and I must admit I didn’t think about the front wheel chucking stuff up. I think a good old fashioned mudflap is going be rigged up next…
Thanks for your comments though and yes, it’s brilliant being back on a bike! All the best, cheers, Phil.
Great video!
For daily commuting, between this & the Interceptor which one do you think is better set out of the factory? (Seat, suspension, brakes etc.)
Stay strong, ride on!
Hello and thanks for stopping by, glad you enjoyed the video!
I’ve never ridden the Interceptor (Royal Enfield not the old Honda I assume!) so I can’t really comment between the two bikes. The CL is nimble, comfortable and cheap to run so works well. All I would say and based on when I used to commute on bikes here in the UK, is that the Interceptor is almost too nice for commuting! Also, the Interceptor needs servicing a lot more often I think? At the end of the day if you need a bike for getting to work in all weathers cheap, cheerful and reliable is probably the way to go. Then again, I used to commute to work on a Gpz900R back in the day 😀
Hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
Great looking bike and ready to take you through one of the most beautiful counties in Briton .. A sheep lane ready steed at a great price .What a smart choice .. . COngratulations to you !!! MAybe front & rear mud guards in the future ? :) My 900 Scrambeler was a left over so it was a good price too..WIth winter riding and living in a bag under the snow it has some great street cred now coming up on 6 years in May ... I do wish we were on the same roads some day ... :)
Morning Guy, good to hear from you as always. And thanks very much for the congratulations - I owe it all to the surgeon but I’m not telling him as he told me not to get on a bike again 😉 You can’t blame him I guess. I like the phrase “sheep lane ready steed” that could be a new sub-genre of bikes I think and all manufacturers should have one. Your scrambler should be getting a nice patina now I’d imagine after six years ?
As for being on the same roads one day, perhaps AI will allow us to do that at some point, although I get the feeling it just won’t be the same. Anyway, my next video will feature an AI generated pottery and kiln though, promise 😉
All the best Guy, best wishes you to and yours, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews In December of 1970 I had a flat front tire on the way to Cardiff to sell my 69 Bonnevile . The crash on what was called "the Tumble" locally left me with a broken neck .. The DOctors said no bikes ,motorcycles, horse back riding, or skiing for the rest of your life , I was 20 and have done all of the above over the years since then .The hardest on my Neck was playing conga drum in a Rock band in Copenhagen called "Doctor Dopo Jam" the spring of 1971.(Another story ) . You could just tell the Doc Motorcycles are a bit like riding on the back of an Eagle . It may be a bit dangerous but breathing is dangerous and so is crossing the road .It is good for the doctors to remember joy brings on the healing ... Joy can be dangerous :)
Blimey Guy, when are you writing your autobiography ? Casually dropping "playing conga drum for a Copenhagen rock band in 1971" into the conversation!!! I need to know more! Like wow! And with a broken neck and a recently sold Bonneville! Please tell me you've got some old polaroids!
I'm flabbergasted. I need to come and interview you!
But yes, you're so right. Joy can be dangerous but it's also life affirming and I totally agree it is healing in all senses of the word. Even physically - when I get off the scoot or the CL, my walking is so much better. Two wheeled physio, it's a thing for sure. Banjo and potting will be the same.
All the best, and if there's anything else you want to tell me - I'm all ears :-) Cheers, Phil.
Must have felt a bit deflated after those issues....
I also bought one, I also like the looks, very quirky and seems to attract some attention. Absolutely great for our poorly maintained back roads, superlight clutch. 3500 miles on mine so far, still loving it, does get covered in muck, but easy to clean. Enjoy the new ride once the tyre is done.
Evening, ha ha deflated - yeah, it felt as though someone had popped my balloon 😀 Sounds like you bought yours for similar reasons to me and it’s good to know you’re still thoroughly enjoying it. The tyre should be sorted this weekend and if the weather stays good and there’s no salt about, I’ll be off!
Great to hear from you and thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Great to see you back on a bike. Have you still got your 850 V7? (I remember those old 70s pushbikes with cowhorn handlebars, still with downtube shifters as a dexterity test!)
Hey Jim, good to hear from you and thanks! It's very nice to be back on a bike again I have to say.
As for the V7 850, I sold it / px for the ADV 350 Scooter earlier this year as it was clear I wasn't going to be able to ride it and it had already been in storage for 6 months. At the time, the third operation on my leg hadn't been suggested let alone scheduled so although I can just about ride now I had no idea back then. If things continue to improve I'll certainly be looking at Guzzi's again!
All the best, cheers, Phil.
Low pressure motorcycling … Luv it! Hey Phil, so stoked to see you back in the saddle. Indeed, your enthusiasm and verve (and courage!) are palpable.
So, 73kg??? Wtf buddy, they run out of jammie dodgers and brown ale in Newcastle, lol? And blue eyes, 😂!
Seriously though, looks like a beauty (crackin’) little bike. Gotta wonder though, did you consider at all going back to the Guzzi v7? Such a lovely, characterful, aesthetically sublime and yet tame steed? I know you luv’d your Centenario and, who wouldn’t? I finally traded by v7 for a bigger, more Highway-worthy traveler but confess to missing her badly.
So glad to see you back!
Rgds/- S
Mr. Brooks - good to hear from you again, hope all is well in your world. Thanks so much for your kind comments - being back on a bike is some sort of milestone and I can kinda just get on with things now.
As for the 73kg, that’s as nature intended (sorry if that’s created an unwelcome image) 😀! Blue eyes make all the difference actually - gotta be worth 2-3 HP at least!
I did try the V7 but alas, I couldn’t get my right foot on the peg but I’m hopeful there will be further mobility progress next year. Either way though, I’m very happy with the CL - it does the job of bouncing around crumbling little roads perfectly.
So you sold your Guzzi - what did you get for the highway? At some point though I sense another Guzzi will make its way to your heart and garage…
All the best, cheers, Phil.
Yep, my 2019 Guzzi V7 was such a lovely machine for scooting out on country B-roads to the occasional little cafe. But here in Eastern Ontario you really need to get onto highways to get anwhere fast which, unfortunately, I still need to do from time to time. Alas, I finally succumbed to the dark side and now have a ‘23 R1250GS. I’ve only had her a short while but so far she’s proving to be everything reviewers say: big, heavy but incredibly nimble, balanced, torqey, quick, easy to manœuvre - esp at slow speeds - but with ample weight, power and wind protection can run the big roads without being pushed around by trucks and traffic. Yet still enjoyable on country roads discovering hidden cafes. Doesn’t have the charm or character of the V7. But being able to safely ride to see kids, grand kids and friends 100 miles away is a worthwhile sacrifice.
Thanks for continuing to create inspiring, informative and clever content, Phil. Always looking forward to your next creation.
Rgds/-Stephen
That’s a great choice for that kind of riding Stephen - you’ll have many a cracking ride on the GS! Be careful you don’t park up next to a V100 though - wouldn’t want to get tempted so soon 😀
Thanks for the vote of confidence on the content - I try to do something different each time and push the quality side of things with each one - which doesn’t necessarily translate to ‘views’ but as you’ve probably guessed - that’s not really the point 😀
All the best, I’ll see you the other side of winter…Cheers, Phil.
hola!!!! me encontre un video tuyo buscando información sobre la adv 350 y al final me ha enganchado tu historia del accidente y todo lo que te ha supuesto, yo nunca tuve scooter solo motos grandes, y al adquirir recientemente una SH125cc me ha cautivado y estoy hasta pensando vender mi moto de 700cc y comprarme una adv350...creo que con los años vamos pensando de otra manera. Un saludo y gracias por tus videos.
Hola y saludos desde el Reino Unido. Muchas gracias por pasar por aquí y es bueno saber que los videos te parecieron interesantes. La ADV 350 (y sin duda la X-ADV) se conduce de manera muy parecida a una bicicleta y, aunque no es tan emocionante como una bicicleta, todo es tan fácil y práctico que hace que cada viaje sea interesante.
Tienes toda la razón en que las prioridades, las necesidades y los deseos cambian con la edad o las lesiones y, personalmente, creo que lo incorrecto es intentar aferrarse a las cosas porque sí.
Cuéntame qué decides hacer y feliz Navidad.
Todo lo mejor, Phil.
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Hello and greetings from the UK. Many thanks for stopping by and it's good to know you found the videos interesting. The ADV 350 (and no doubt the X-ADV) does ride very much like a bike and while it's not as exciting as a bike everything about it is so easy and practical that it makes every journey interesting.
You are so right that priorities, needs and wants change with age or injury and I personally think the wrong thing to do is to try and cling on to things just for the sake of it.
Let me know what you decide to do and Happy Christmas.
All the best, Phil.
he probado la ADV350 esta mañana, me ha parecido la moto más estable y cómoda que he conducido, solo que no me ha gustado el viento que pasa por las piernas,a la altura de las rodillas, tu también lo dices en tus videos, yo tengo una tracer7 y por esa parte protege mucho mejor.
tengo dudas en cuanto a consumo, hasta creo que la tracer7 en carretera gasta menos, yo he llegado a sacarle 3,6L/100 a la tracer, yendo 80,90 km/h...
supongo que el consumo en ciudad subira bastante, a pesar de que Honda declara 3.3L/100.
gracias y ya me contaras!!
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Hola de nuevo, me alegra saber que has probado el ADV350 y lo has encontrado cómodo y estable. Personalmente, me gusta mucho el hecho de que tiene varias posiciones para las piernas y el asiento es increíblemente amplio y no demasiado blando. En cuanto al viento alrededor de tus piernas, sí, tienes razón. Normalmente he andado en bicicleta sin protección alguna, así que no tengo nada con qué compararla, pero es interesante que la Tracer tiene mejor protección.
En términos de consumo de combustible, he promediado 3,4 l/100 km en más de 3000 millas. Dado el tamaño del motor, quizás debería ser más económico, sin embargo, la caja de cambios DCT significa que probablemente acelere más que una moto con caja de cambios manual y, por supuesto, no tienes la posibilidad de hacer cambios cortos o avanzar por inercia. ¡También hay algo en el ADV en el que encuentro que estoy siendo muy agresivo con el acelerador simplemente porque es muy fácil y divertido!
Donde el consumo de combustible mejora es en carreteras con aceleración constante, donde parece deslizarse maravillosamente usando el equivalente a una marcha sobremarcha. Es genial.
Ahora también tengo una Honda CL500 y también obtengo un mejor consumo promedio de combustible. Sin embargo, el ADV350 es muy económico en su mayor parte. ¡Y tiene un almacenamiento increíble!
Espero que ayude, todo lo mejor, Phil.
Great review/video/presentation style Phil... subscribing straightaway. I stumbled across it while considering adding a CL to the stable, ie, K1600gt, RD400 and Blackbird (the latter about to be sold to make room).
Also on my shortlist is the V7, which I really like, but my priority is being well suited to very bumpy lanes and B roads and I guess the CL is a better option for that. What do you think? Im 64 and quite a big chap and so far have no issues manhandling big bikes.
Good afternoon, great to hear from you & thanks very much for the sub - great to know you enjoyed the review!
As for your question, having owned both bikes and enjoyed them both on back roads, there is a difference in that the V7 is so lovely and charming and “special” that you’ll treat it nicely - in the sense you probably won’t mess about in bad weather, gravel and puddles! Whereas with the CL you will!! From an objective perspective, both handle great, the Guzzi has slightly crashy suspension over bumps and the CL is a little mushy. Performance wise, both are very similar even if the delivery of that performance is completely different!
There’s much more space on the V7 though, even though the seat height is low like the CL. If you’re big / tall it’s worth sitting on them, especially the CL to see where your knees end up! So I reckon if you fit the CL and want something to really mess about on in all weathers, then it’s the one. If it’s something special for dry bumpy roads and don’t mind crashy suspension, it’s the Guzzi!
Hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thanks for taking the time for such an informative response Phil...really helpful and inspired me to go out and test ride a CL straight after!
What a brilliant little bike....ticked all the boxes for me. As an exiled Geordie living in Peterborough, I was able to test the bike on the most atrocious of roads (over the fens...the most severe subsidence) and was amazed at how well it soaked up the bumps and pot holes, while still having great handling in the twisties. I found myself shooting off down an odd dirt track which it handled admirably.
Performance was ample for my needs...I was surprised at how zippy it was.
It also fit me perfectly - it had high, brown seat fitted which at first felt a bit hard, but I stopped noticing that after a short while. I could stand up pretty comfortably too, which enabled pretty quick progress over the worst of humps and bumps on the subsided lanes. Only negatives is the visibly of the instrument panel in sunlight and absence of a rev counter (which I like to have to see what's going on) but that did not detract too much.
I also considered the new RE Bullet which I love the look of (in all black) but the peppiness and fun factor of the CL trumps it.
Your conclusion is spot on....the CL looks to be the one for me...icing on the cakes is Honda have £500 off for the next few weeks. Was gonna test the Guzzi, but don't think I will bother....maybe a one to add to the stable at a later date!
Thanks again and best wishes Phil, Paul
Hey Paul, that’s great news! I think the CL is almost like a proper “throwback” bike in terms of what you can do with it - tarmac, a bit of gravel, any weather, commuting, total reliability and you don’t have to be too precious about it! So you do more with it. And what you do with it is the important thing. Plus as it’s so easy to get out of the garage it will get used more. Compared to your other bikes also it will feel like a toy!
Must admit, every time I go and look at a RE close up I can’t help but think they are a little bit shonky and are more a sunny Sunday ride only.
I’ve now swapped my CL for a CRF Rally because I wanted to get back into green laning. That’s no indictment of the CL as it’s brilliant it’s just the CL made me realise what I’d been missing the last two years.
The CL continues to be great VFM and as you say £500 off for a bike that will survive the apocalypse is amazing.
Let me know how you get on Paul, all the best, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Hiya Phil....I pulled the trigger on a CL in green yesterday (pick up 17th June). I got a right result...after I noticed that some dealers were selling it cheaper than the local dealer (Wheels Peterborough) even with the £500 off, they did a search and matched the cheapest they could find, which resulted in a total of £900 off, ie a total of £5295 OTR (including 12 months tax). Pretty amazing value I reckon!
Really happy to hear about the CRF... although I've only just come across the channel, I've become aware of your injured leg issue, so its great news that you are now able to manage such a bike.
Thanks again for the great advice....and happy green laning! Paul
Great news Paul…and that is some deal! As for being an exiled Geordie…What did you do? Wander into Gateshead one day and decided you liked it 😀 ? Anyway, here’s hoping 17/06 is dry and warm, cheers, Phil.
Bit of a marmite bike but I like it. No frills good old 500c bike. No bells and whistles 😊 Perfect for the usage you’ve described and the 500cc range has a bike for everyone. Hope you’ve got your tyre sorted now. Will be keeping the 350ADV? 2:25
Morning Gareth, I love Marmite 😀 The tyre is getting sorted this weekend and as for the ADV - yes, I’m keeping it for the long term as it’s just so useful and practical. I’ll be hopefully going to Europe on it next year as it’s really comfortable for my right leg as I can stretch out and stuff. Then of course, there’s the 48L of underseat storage!! Have I mentioned that a million times yet? 😀
Have a great weekend, cheers, Phil.
I like too but the volume of the exhaust is not underlining the rear harmony. After market exhaust is needed.
Good evening! Yes, the standard exhaust is a little on the large size - but I kinda like it to be honest!
All the best, cheers, Phil.
Great choice. Good-looking bike, economical, fast enough. Tasteful additional of the cowl. Glad you didn't go for the high front mudguard. I like this bike a lot, expecially in orange. B-King! I remember. The first video of yours I watched as I had one. How about a front mudguard extender. Utilitarian is the perfect adjective here. As you were building up to saying it, the word ran threw my head. I also like the end part of the exhaust. Definitely a bargain. You've got two great machines.
Damp-looking garage. Nick J
Morning Nick, first things first - the garage (real and AI) is yes, a little damp in places. I try to avoid spending any time in there, unless I’m in trouble 😉
Anyway, thanks for your comments as always - it’s good to know someone else appreciates the bike for what it is as opposed to what it isn’t. Perhaps that’s something to do with both being B-King owners in the past. What a machine that was!!
I’ll be keeping the ADV as my distance / touring machine so yes, it’s a nice pair of machines that don’t overlap in terms of usage. I’m still thinking about some gentle off roading if things continue to improve so the CL may get better tyres, new fork oil and springs next year or maybe I’ll get a Himalayan 😀 The bike bug is back!
All the best best Nick, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews We also both had an MT-01. I remember your video on that monster. Nick
@user-sw2lv3zp6o Now that was a machine Nick! I couldn’t ride it now but it was something else. Funnily enough I’ve been looking at the miniMT - the MT-03 with the XT engine in it. Looks good, prices are good and it looks fun…maybe next year 😀
@@80eightReviews The original MT-03 was a great bike. I always fancied one.
I'll let you know if I get one Nick!
I’m considering the CL possibly for next spring, enjoyable review, definitely a front mudguard extender and rear tyre hugger if anyone makes them, I have the ADV 350 too, will you be keeping that also ?
Hey Adrian, good to hear from and glad you enjoyed the review. Pyramid do the usual fender-extenda for the front mudguard but I haven’t come across a hugger yet. I’m a cheapskate though so I’m going stick a good old fashioned mudflap onto the front - it may even kinda suit it assuming I squint first 😀
I’ll be keeping the ADV as it’s so terrifically useful and cheap to run but also because due to my dodgy leg which doesn’t bend too well, it’s way more comfortable than the CL or any other bike for that matter. Bikes for me are now just for short / fun rides which I think suits the CL perfectly.
Let me know how you get on if you decide to get the CL, now is a good time to buy though because of the ex-demo’s out there.
All the best, cheers, Phil.
Hi Phil,
What about the ADV350, is there still place for it ?
I know scooter and a motorbike are not comparable, but what do you think about the pros of cons of both?
Cheers!
Hey good morning and happy Christmas! That's a good question actually! The first thing to say is that I'm keeping the ADV350 along with the CL500. Now taking my mobility out of the equation which means the Scooter is much more comfortable for me than the CL (or any other bike) the pros for the ADV is that it's like the easiest machine to ride, yet at the same time is still fun to ride, especially around corners. Now it's a more 'gentle' kind of fun compared to a bike but what it allows the rider to do is to enjoy the broader aspects of the ride and environment more - or at least it does for me. It's also insanely practical with all the storage, it's economical and has good weather protection.
A bike though is much more visceral and I still, personally, love the connection between revs, power and gears and really 'using' an engine, whereas on the scooter you just have to accept what it does. On the other hand, riding the scoot also means the rider isn't pushed into being 'competitive' with either themselves or other riders - which is a good thing.
I'm going to use the ADV to tour Europe next year and I can't wait. On previous trips it's always been about the bike and the roads, whereas with the scooter I'll be able to take my time, relax, take my camera gear and therefore have other aspects of the trip to enjoy.
The ADV and perhaps all scooters are low pressure and easy riding. It's not about pride of ownership or glorious aesthetics but more like your favourite socket set that you've had for years and you just know it will always get the job done with no fuss.
Is there a place for both in someone's garage? Absolutely!
Hope that helps, all the best, cheers, Phil.
Thank you for the detailed reply@@80eightReviews !
It helps me choosing the right bike.
Cheers !
question can you make a U turn on a road of 6 meter on the honda cl 500 ?
Hey Dannyvan, good to hear from you. Well, I can’t say for sure but I have done U-Turns on some quite narrow roads and it’s just fine. Next time I’m out, I’ll let you know!
All the best, cheers, Phil.
It doesn't look quite right to me but I really like the engine and the best looking bike to have it I think.
I had a go of the CB500 when I started my DAS training and it was lovely.
How does it compare to the v7s? Seems smaller but possibly quicker than the III?
Good afternoon Mr ThreeB78 and thanks for stopping by. Comparing it to the V7 750 - obviously they are very different in terms of power delivery and feel but I'd say they were very equal on the road. The Guzzi possibly is slightly faster from a top speed perspective but I'd say the CL has a bit more urgency about it and almost a defined power band. The Guzzi though is certainly a lot less buzzy at higher speeds and having done some long trips on the Guzzi where cruising at 80MPH was absolutely fine, the same on the CL would be more frenetic! That's also got a lot to do with riding position and physical dimensions also.
Either way though, both will top 100mph in the right conditions - one will be buzzing, the other kinda galloping if that makes any sense!
I like both bikes actually!
Hope that helps, all the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews cheers bud
I really like the looks of the v7.
I was really tempted by your green one when it appeared in Newcastle motorcycles but I hadn't passed my DAS yet and was too slow 😭
I remember looking at the pictures and thinking....hang on and trying to catch your reg in your videos 🤣
Hello again, ah yes, my gorgeous green V7 - that was a lovely bike. I traded it in for the 850 over at Motech, at which point it was bought by another viewer of the video who then traded it in at Newcastle Honda a year or so later. Although I didn’t ride the 850 very much due to my accident, the 750 was more charming I think.
The CL is a good, fun bike to use and abuse but it will never have the special feeling of the V7. I bought my CL as a stepping stone back to bikes but otherwise would I have bought one? Probably not to be honest but having said that it’s opened my eyes to smaller bikes and especially the engine, which is a little cracker!
I like the utilitarian almost Lego look.
Hey Ian, good to hear from you again. Hope all is well. You're so right but then I always knew you to be a person of fine and exacting taste :-)
But yeah, I feel the same - it's got a sort of brusque, slightly industrial, dystopian vibe going on while the shape of the tank when sitting on it is lovely, curvy and svelte. It's possibly jarring to some eyes, but it's different which at the same time is refreshing.
And I'm genuinely not biased! I think, when it's canned (and I think it will be soon) it will be seen as a classic oddball in many years to come.
All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews quite right😆.
You should do a comparison between Triumph 400 vs Honda CL 500
Morning Alex, thanks for dropping by. Yeah, the Triumph 400 would be a good comparison I agree - someone will need to let me have one though 😀
All the best, cheers, Phil.
You say the bike is easy, friendly, I wonder what it thinks of you?
Good video.
Ha ha, I never thought to ask. Probably thinks I should lose some weight… Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
I've been watching your video's for a while & commented on the video after your accident. Then guess what, I had a similar accident myself. I hit a car head on at 50mph. My right leg and knee were broken and my left foot, but I'm lucky to be alive. I was in hospital for 2 months & it's now 3 months ago and I'm still not walking.
How is your rehabilitation going if you don't mind me asking?
Hey Glideman, yes, I remember you dropping by around the time of my accident. What can I say - I’m so sorry to hear about your accident, it sounds absolutely awful. Aside from the physical aspects are you doing OK? These things can take some time to process, accept and deal with.
In terms of my own rehab, well, I had more surgery 2 months ago to try and improve the range of movement in my knee and things are going the right way. My (unaided) walking is much better and I’m working on getting rid of the limp, plus inclines and steps are much easier - I’m also just starting to ride a push bike again. Given what happened it’s a miracle as I came close to losing the leg but will it be ever like it was before? Not at all - and most of the time I’ve come to terms with that. Pain is manageable most of the time, I’m walking 4 miles a day and feel a lot more confident getting about.
For info at 3 months out I was still using two crutches and unable to walk without them but shortly afterwards, x-rays showed the bone was healing and then I was allowed to weight bear. And once you get to that stage you can start to push the physio regime and things start to improve. You should be close to that now I imagine? Of course you’ve got the added difficult on the broken left foot but presumably that’s in a boot and is mending ok? I did my left collarbone also which meant I could rely on my LHS either which as you know is a right pain!
The three month point is a difficult stage to be honest. It will improve. Give me a shout if that would help but I’m the meantime, stay 💪, eat well!
Despite the circumstances, great to hear from you and stay in touch, cheers, Phil.
As a fan I would like to add that Phil has kept and worked at keeping an optomistic additude through some very steady effort and often painful work .. Finding some joy makers in hard times takes a lot of self motivated disapline but is the magic that brings healing ... SO much to be inpired by here and the fact Phil found this great bike just adds to the joy factor ..
dear PHIL wath does you tink about the royal enfield 650 ? grts from belgium danny
Hey Danny, good to hear from you. I’ve never ridden the Enfield 650 so I can’t say really. I do occasionally look at them but the short service interval and dealer issues here in the UK sorta put me off - also if I wanted that style of bike, I’d get a Moto Guzzi! But that’s just me and lots of people really rate them. All the best, cheers, Phil.
Wow! What made you go from a Guzzi to a Honda? They are at the opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of character.
Also, any reason you haven't been doing anymore more videos on your Guzzi?
Hello Mr UX, how are you doing? Good to hear from you and as you might imagine there is a long and boring story! The short one is a horrible accident nearly two years ago which has left me with much reduced mobility and flexion in my knee - so much that for 12 months I couldn't get my right leg on to the footpeg of the Guzzi or indeed any bike with a normal riding position. So 12 months ago, I sold my Guzzi and CRF and bought a scooter - an ADV350 as it was about the only thing I could physically ride and also, emotionally, I needed to find out whether I still wanted to ride.
Anyway, 9 months ago I had more surgery to improve the knee flexion and it seems to have worked and I can now just about get on a bike and ride one. The only bike that really fitted me and was light and slim enough was...The CL500...Everything else I tried was too heavy, too high or just painful. Even now I can only ride the CL for two hours before my knee gives in.
As things have improved though I'm still thinking a Guzzi is on the cards. The CL though is a great fun, little bike and while it's very different to the Guzzi, the simplicity and the fact it's not a bike a feel precious about, is really refreshing. It has a lot of character - just different to the Guzzi!
Hope that makes sense, all the best, cheers, Phil.
Sorry to hear about your knee. Did you injure it because you didn't have knee armor protector or did you twist it the wrong way? Praying for your full recovery.
Hello again, well, I was wearing armour but no amount of protection, short of some sort of Star Trek style force field would have helped! Head on / offside collision with a car with my right leg taking the impact resulting in my lower leg spinning round 90 degrees, an open femur fracture and around 10 fractures in my knee. 3 x surgery later and I can walk 7 miles a day and now getting back in to bikes - I couldn’t ask for more so I’m very happy with the recovery especially when losing it or not walking at all was a possibility.
With all that in mind, just five minutes on the little CL makes me very happy! All the best, cheers, Phil.
I had the use of one over a weekend I really liked it the only thing I found was the riders foot pegs where a bit in the way when you put your feet down
The brown seat is a must as the standard seat is too hard
Great video as usual 😊👍
Evening Henry, good to hear from you and thanks for dropping by. Yeah I’ve found the same with the pegs and the simple fix would have been to allow them to swivel upwards. Still, it’s not a deal breaker. As for the seat, I’ve actually got the standard seat also and although I haven’t sat on it, it does look like a plank with a vinyl wrap 😀
Anyway, thanks for your comments, glad you enjoyed the video, all the best, Phil.
@@80eightReviews yes that brown taller seat is far better I’m pleased your back on a motorcycle oh by the way I have the exactly the same ADV 350 as you a great scooter/ bike I had a 350 Forza before that but the suspension just wasn’t nice on our pot hole roads
Will you be keeping the ADV? I’ve currently got a 1250GS and a X-ADV 750 and if I had to keep just one, it would be the X-ADV. 😎
Good evening Mr. DervMan - great to hear from you again and hope all is well with you. As for the ADV, yes, I’m going to be keeping it as it’s just so useful, handy and economical. Plus it’s quite good fun! So yes, I totally get where you’re coming from with you X-ADV.
Practically speaking, the scoot will always be much more comfortable for me over distance especially as I want to head over to Europe next year. Scooters have won me over! And don’t get me started on the subject of underseat storage 😀
All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews that’s good to hear. Also great to see your recovery going so well.
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Thanks! Cheers, Phil.
Welcome back Phil.
That is a touring motorcycle, see You in Grindelwald.
I dare You not service this bike for 50'000km and find 0.002 valve adjustement required, only
Ha ha Hey Ben, now that’s a challenge! I was thinking about not washing it for 12 months and seeing what happens but you’ve got me thinking now!
Grindelwald…A few beers would be good…I usually hole up in The Alpenblick hotel but I’ll walk into town as it’s you 😀
If you get there before me, I’ll have a glass of Rugenbrau Spezial Dunkel thanks, cheers 🍻 Phil.
@@80eightReviews recently caught a guy who did what i proposed to his cb500x ~2018 model, same engine ;)
So what happened Ben? Valves within 0.002 of tolerance? I need to know!
@@80eightReviews about there yes, mechanic said he had to do nothing but liquids, engine oil, fork oil, brake fluids, standard stuff.. when i insisted to know how much the valves were off, he said he had to only adjust a singular one and that one was within spec, too
Wow! So basically aside from flipping the oil / filter these engines for most people with usual mileage, are essentially ‘sealed units’ like a lightbulb or something.
I’ll take that Ben. I’ll see you next year 😀
Many congrats Phil at achieving, riding a 'motorcycle' again, it is what you wanted to achieve and that must help the old grey matter feel good too! Felt sorry for the 'old wife' you were sitting on whilst you leered at the new girlfriend though, watch-out, the Japanese eyes squinting at little Miss Orange Blossom were down-right evil!!!
🤣🤣🤣 Mr. Doolittle how are you doing? Good to hear from you! “Miss Orange Blossom” 🤣🤣🤣 Was i leering? Really? Blimey, the secret is out! Anyway, the two of ‘em are chained together so they can sort the situation out by themselves. I’m not getting involved…
But yeah, it’s so nice to be back on a bike again and while it won’t be the same as before it now feels like a turning point and a good milestone for many different reasons.
Better go, I hear some strange noises…All the best, cheers, Phil.
I like bikes.
Me too 😀
I hate the gas tank, the old cl in the poster behind you if what a proper tank should look like. This styling tank and the cl exhaust makes it look like you are sitting in a V.
Evening James, yeah, it’s not the best is it? Sometimes I think the tank looks like a melted sweet oozing over the frame rails 😀 Still, it’s nice and slim and from above it’s quite nice.
The interesting thing about the original CL is the other (non exhaust) side - it looks like some right shonky old CB360 that no-one would take a second look at. Amazing what a nicely designed bit of chrome can do!
Still, the new CL is good to ride and it looks much better when muddy. So that’s my excuse for not washing it.
Thanks for stopping by, all the best, cheers, Phil.
I ❤️ simple and utilitarian (🏍️ and 💃)
Ha ha Good evening Mr. Gravel, well, I couldn’t possibly comment but I know what you mean 😀 Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
I’ve got the CB500x. Love that motor. The CL500 should be good, but it’s just so pig ugly which is very disappointing.
Good evening & thanks for stopping by! Ha ha well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc, etc, and the CL is at least distinctive 😀
Anyway in the right light and place it looks alright I reckon - see the gallery here photos.app.goo.gl/o9vvP8xz95hE2cMv5
C’mon it’s not that bad? Is it?
Anyway, all the best, good to hear from you, cheers, Phil.
maybe rebel 1100 - low seat height easy leg position - more power
Hey Nick, thanks for dropping by - that’s a definite possibility TBH - I’m going to get used to the fire breathing CL first and see how I do 😀 All the best, cheers, Phil.
“Some people will pay good money for it…” 😂
It's true Charles, or so I've been told :-) Hope you're doing well, cheers, Phil.
It’s a Honda Rebel with different clothes on
Hello! Thanks for dropping by and yeah, it sort of is - with a new rear loop / subframe and different suspension. The Rebel is a good little bike to use a starting point for the CL. all the best, Phil.
Pythons swallow their prey whole.
Yes indeed they do 😬 I’m always on the look out for them in Northumberland…
thank you very much^^ I ride cl500 dcm 10th^^
And thank you! All the best, cheers, Phil.