I get my 13ft all terrain from jayco Adelaide in about 3 weeks. Single axle could give dramas as I like my tools nearby. I have titan drawers in the dual cab hilux stacked with metal tools. I am scratching my after this video. Thank you so much for doing it!
A gvm upgrade is the smart way to go. You get the bonus of new suspension that will do the job. You get compliance for the vehicle and you get to keep the drawers. Boxes floating around the back is not safe. Bite the bullet and do the gvm. I did my 200 series and don't regret it
All the measurements he gave you are at 100%. So when you comply you have no wiggle room. You need to get down to around 85% capacity on everything to be totally safe
Good Video..We have a 100 Series Landcruiser and we had to ditch the draws in the back as well and were only over a little on the rear axle weight but our ball weight was up around 340kg..We are slowly getting it sorted. Bare in mind that your axle weight was over as well and unless you get a GVM upgrade that changes your axle loading (big money) they are not of much benefit if your trying to stay 100% legal...Cheers
Thanks for sharing, always a worry with the insurance and safety aspect, have the same car, just waiting for the JAYCO Journey Outback to be delivered in April and we will need to go through the same process, looks like you have it sorted which is great. 😊
Looks like you have a good idea of what you need to do, I would to start with go to the tip e.g. to weight the vehicle by it's self, then remove everything, then re-weigh it, I would remove draws and draw frames, lose the fridge, extra battery, solar panel on roof, then re-weigh it --- what's stored under your bed currently, if you are over-weight in the vehicle or caravan the insurance will not cover either if something happens
Well done for getting your rig weighed. I do worry about the advice given to increase your tow ball weight. The 10% thing is an old wives tale, for want of a better phrase. Many vans are well under the 10% and still tow perfectly well, a Jayco 17ft Outback PopTop is a great example. Adding tow ball weight will only increase the load carried by the rear axle of the car and you need to reduce that figure by a fair margin. Try lowering your tow ball weight (I can hear screams from some already) to around 180-200kg. Your van will still tow fine and it will reduce the cars GVM and rear axle load. Your van should also have inbuilt sway control and while it's wrong to rely on electronics to control the stability of the van it's a reassuring back up. I hope the rear axle weight measured at 2002kg is with the van hitched. If that is the unhitched weight then you are way overweight on the rear axle. When you hitch up the van the 248kg tow ball weight is now supported by the car, yet the cars GVM increased by 308kg. That is normal because the tow ball is located well behind the cars rear axle and so acts as a lever. Reducing the vans tow ball weight by 50 kg will reduce the rear axle weight of the car by around 60kg, that's just how it works. It will also put a bit more weight on the front axle which will be a good thing for your rigs stability. Moving weight from the front of the van to the rear can help but it's not the best answer. Too much weight at the rear of the van is just as dangerous as an overloaded car rear axle and it will also increase the vans GTM, or the weight the van axles are carrying. At the end of the day you need to take less stuff, especially in the car, and also reduce the tow ball weight of the van. You are not alone with this problem. We have a Jayco 17ft Outback on order. We wanted an All Terrain like yours but after running the figures it was clear our MUX could not legally tow that van due to its high tow ball weight and the cars limited payload. Good luck with sorting it all out. Many have gone down the road you are now on and hopefully many more will follow.
Yes the 2002 is with van attached. Yes I sort of agree with you about the tow ball weight, and am lothe to increase it. Idearly I'd like the get the ball weigh down below 200kg, which would knock 50Kg off the vehicle overload.
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I get my 13ft all terrain from jayco Adelaide in about 3 weeks. Single axle could give dramas as I like my tools nearby. I have titan drawers in the dual cab hilux stacked with metal tools. I am scratching my after this video. Thank you so much for doing it!
I think you can get a gvm upgrade for the hilux, best bet is to get it weighed. But, 2 axles on van is better than 1 fir carrying weight.
A gvm upgrade is the smart way to go.
You get the bonus of new suspension that will do the job.
You get compliance for the vehicle and you get to keep the drawers.
Boxes floating around the back is not safe.
Bite the bullet and do the gvm.
I did my 200 series and don't regret it
Unfortunately, will have to save up for one, yes the new suspension would be a bonus.
All the measurements he gave you are at 100%.
So when you comply you have no wiggle room.
You need to get down to around 85% capacity on everything to be totally safe
Its hard, downsizing heaps.
Great vid guys very interesting information 👍 😀
Thanks 👍
thanks for this video, very educational.
Glad it was helpful!
We have a 2022 17.55-9 OB it has an 8.2% towball weight and tows great, at 100kph we don't feel any trucks pass us
nice
Good Video..We have a 100 Series Landcruiser and we had to ditch the draws in the back as well and were only over a little on the rear axle weight but our ball weight was up around 340kg..We are slowly getting it sorted. Bare in mind that your axle weight was over as well and unless you get a GVM upgrade that changes your axle loading (big money) they are not of much benefit if your trying to stay 100% legal...Cheers
yes, draws are going. plus lotsa tools and bits.
Good to know that you can sort out your issues before a big trip.
yep, everyone should do it.
i traveled around Australia for work for close to a year and 90% of the people i met towing a van admitted they were overweight and didnt give a shit
Yeh, they will when something goes seriously wrong. Plus Qld regularly do van weighing up highway 1.
Thanks for sharing, always a worry with the insurance and safety aspect, have the same car, just waiting for the JAYCO Journey Outback to be delivered in April and we will need to go through the same process, looks like you have it sorted which is great. 😊
Thanks, best wishes.
Not the main topic here, but I agree about black chequer plate getting ridiculously hot. Maybe do a vid if you paint it ;)
OK, thanks for suggestion. I bought the paint already just need a nice day.
Looks like you have a good idea of what you need to do, I would to start with go to the tip e.g. to weight the vehicle by it's self, then remove everything, then re-weigh it, I would remove draws and draw frames, lose the fridge, extra battery, solar panel on roof, then re-weigh it --- what's stored under your bed currently, if you are over-weight in the vehicle or caravan the insurance will not cover either if something happens
Yep, lots to do.
Well done for getting your rig weighed. I do worry about the advice given to increase your tow ball weight. The 10% thing is an old wives tale, for want of a better phrase. Many vans are well under the 10% and still tow perfectly well, a Jayco 17ft Outback PopTop is a great example. Adding tow ball weight will only increase the load carried by the rear axle of the car and you need to reduce that figure by a fair margin. Try lowering your tow ball weight (I can hear screams from some already) to around 180-200kg. Your van will still tow fine and it will reduce the cars GVM and rear axle load. Your van should also have inbuilt sway control and while it's wrong to rely on electronics to control the stability of the van it's a reassuring back up.
I hope the rear axle weight measured at 2002kg is with the van hitched. If that is the unhitched weight then you are way overweight on the rear axle. When you hitch up the van the 248kg tow ball weight is now supported by the car, yet the cars GVM increased by 308kg. That is normal because the tow ball is located well behind the cars rear axle and so acts as a lever. Reducing the vans tow ball weight by 50 kg will reduce the rear axle weight of the car by around 60kg, that's just how it works. It will also put a bit more weight on the front axle which will be a good thing for your rigs stability.
Moving weight from the front of the van to the rear can help but it's not the best answer. Too much weight at the rear of the van is just as dangerous as an overloaded car rear axle and it will also increase the vans GTM, or the weight the van axles are carrying. At the end of the day you need to take less stuff, especially in the car, and also reduce the tow ball weight of the van. You are not alone with this problem.
We have a Jayco 17ft Outback on order. We wanted an All Terrain like yours but after running the figures it was clear our MUX could not legally tow that van due to its high tow ball weight and the cars limited payload.
Good luck with sorting it all out. Many have gone down the road you are now on and hopefully many more will follow.
Yes the 2002 is with van attached. Yes I sort of agree with you about the tow ball weight, and am lothe to increase it. Idearly I'd like the get the ball weigh down below 200kg, which would knock 50Kg off the vehicle overload.
great video we pick our 17-55-9 next week did you fill your water tanks
Yes I did, dealer filled them before dilivery. We topped them up to overflowing.
Bad move but very common loaded to the limit ,dangerous
yep, surprising how quick you become overloaded.