aaand just like 2 and 5 years ago this once again proves Dex needs a rework 8 years ago it wasn't bad from what I remember cuz I still use Dex in all of my legends ever since then (thinking it still changes things)
Yeah as a Lin Fei player for years now, Dex just doesn't work anymore, obv you can still outplay anyone, but at the end of the day you need the extra force.
I use my maygyar with speed beacuse good defense +good speed is a great combo, and have my partner with tezca for the kills, in 1v1 i maybe will give try to stenght
So dex on Teros is 50/50 because you save a frame on four moves being Nlight,Slight,Nair,Sair but the problem is that when you play long enough you don’t really notice the difference between having dex or not I started playing Strength a week ago and I love it way more because Teros smacks them with a sig or Sair and their soul leaves their body but kyna be dominating with dex❤️🔥
@@brandonmorehouse7507search it up cos the sair into dlight is not the easiest go get but with some practise you can get it consistent every time. sair dlight sidelight dash nlight
dusk strength is 100% valid, defense is still good but strength has more value since youre essentially making a useless stat good. boomie also knows what he's doing and as swirft quoted him, always sacrifice dex if they get nothing out of it or unless its completely necessary
This is prolly the only comment I can agree with like that, I think there was a reason to run base though like dex actually doing something for once, I don't have the frame data here rn
Does cannon need dex? I see we take 2 dex on seven and don’t mind that, but we’re sticking with 4 dex on onyx and Sidra in 1’s even tho we could go down to 3 with another stance. Is 4 some kinda unjumpable breakpoint for cannon?
As a cannon main I can confirm that you don’t need dex on cannon because it changes nothing but the recovery time of any of your moves but for characters like seven you definitely need the speed because there’s a huge difference in movement with 4 speed vs 5 speed, for onyx the reason he said base is because she doesn’t excel at anything putting a stat in ones but in twos the extra damage in team combos decides stocks and potentially even games depending on the circumstance, and sidra in my opinion does better on defense because of the extra damage she can take but she also does good on anything🤓❤️🔥😊
@@Swirft true but jiro feels so flimsy with 4 attack. I feel like speed helps with following up and edge the guarding on greatsword like it's not useless
On one hand, Boomie is correct. Gs and spear are defensive weapons that don't get as much of a benefit from speed as other weapons, and with Arcadia's traps encouraging an especially defensive style, as well as the numerous changes to dash that benefit low speed legends, defense is a very good choice on Arcadia... ...but on the other hand, Arcadia is abysmal offstage. Magyar can get away with low speed because he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve, none of which Arcadia has. She doesn't have hammer recovery to ward off gimps, she doesn't have gs nsig to give her a fourth jump, and she doesn't have the sky-high defense that makes Magyar so hard to actually knock offstage in the first place, or the defense that also allows Magyar to eat ground pounds like potato chips and still survive. Speed stance helps Arcadia deal with offstage encounters, and it also helps her weave past enemies trying to trap her at the ledge, ironically helping her survive longer than defense stance does. And while speed isn't as necessary on gs and spear as it is on other weapons, it still is helpful for avoiding attacks and getting out of tight spots. In all honesty, I think both you and Boomie are correct. Defense and speed are about equal in how good they are. If you are especially good at dealing with edge guards and ledge traps, defence stance is a no brainer, but I think speed is far from useless, helping you deal with these situations more consistently. At that point you have to try both and decide what's best for you. Perhaps if the video was longer there would have been room for that debate, but unfortunately swirft has to keep the attention of middle school sugar junkies, so 🤷♂️.
great vid, every stance mentioned is great except these three: - brynn's best stance is dex rather than strength, on spear she gets sair nlight true on 70-, and on axe she gets slight nair ledge-cancel dlight true up on 90- (both are consistent). its definitely worth it especially since it synergizes with both weapons and she already has plenty of speed. - onyx should have speed instead of base since dex does nothing for him. - sidra should have defense instead of base since dex also does nothing for her. ill give you a pass on stances that boost defense of low def characters since its a casual list
@@Desxire oh true i completely forgot about that, base stance is valid then. personally i think that makes strength stance the best, but that's significantly more subjective. base, defense, and attack stance are all great choices, just depends on preference.
ngl Strength stance doesnt do much for magyar, ive been saved more often by speed stance because everyone just thinks they can kill me if I'm offstage.
so im happy that i play my mains with the correct stance (my 3 highest legends are ember red raptor and artemis) but i will still play tezca speed for balance and gnash dex for dlight sair true also i find funny that vraxx and teros are the only ones that could viably go with dex stance
With gnash, you still should be able to hit dlight sair on both weapons, even with 2 dex. It might be a bit tighter, but it is most definitely possible.
Idk. I'm on defense with Azoth cause thats the one that is obtained sacrifying dex, and dex is bad ( most of the time ). Is it trully worth it to go for speed ( i'm low -mid, at my peak - platinum )?
Speed makes it a well rounded character and the extra dex you dont burn makes it a frame window lower in some bow strings (like slight dair going to 1 frame thus unjumpable) and also makes easier to hit slight nair on axe if you struggle with it Edit: this come from a mit plat lvl 53 azoth main
@@Gat089. I'm lvl 74 with Azoth 😁 Ok, your informations are precious. I don't really struggle with Slot Nair on axe but the bow things are looking quite relevant. Let's go for it
Dexterity is useless on most weapons, therefore any stance that takes away from dext becomes the best one. Some legends have no speed/defense so the best stance is probably something that tries to help their weaknesses (queen nai has no speed, therefore the best stance is giving her speed). In 1s speed is the most important stat, in 2s speed is less important since there are two players controlling the field and it's more team-combo-oriented, therefore defense to tank hits or attack become the best stances
Keep in mind axe is meta in 2s and 4/5 hits and you are red if you use a legend with low defense, thats why high defense and high attacks are good in 2s
Diana BASEEED????????????????????????????????????????????????? BAAASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDD?????? Diana has 2 two fast weapons, based?, speed stance hellooooo
Can you make this video 5seconds? This is too long
5 seconds? M8 thats way too long! He should make it 5 milleseconds!
Sorry 😎
@@swagdudearcidonDUDE MY ATTENTION SPAN COULD NEVER 5 NANOSECONDS
@@light_switch708 AHH I NEED TO SEE A DOCTOR CAUSE I CANT STAY IF IT'S OVER AN INSTANT
@@oneandonlysd5061NAHHH I CLICK OFF IF IT'S OVER -10 HOURS
'Magyar: strength'
Me with 10 defense: no, I don't think I will
aaand just like 2 and 5 years ago this once again proves
Dex needs a rework
8 years ago it wasn't bad from what I remember cuz I still use Dex in all of my legends ever since then (thinking it still changes things)
Good pp Tri brigade player
Boomie AND Acno checked your homework? Alright this guide is valid
Yo recently I have started maining cross and this video was really helpful thanks
no views in 36 sec shits hit the fan
I just hopped on and it's nice to know that the choice that felt right to me was also the right choice
Me as a hammer main with 9 dex Cassidy: Nuh uh
I needed this thanks
Reno on strength stance is straight up facts. Feels really good to use!!!
Me with dex stance loki: Can’t escape me innit?
I have one word to say for you Swift
NOTED
Dex is really that antisocial guy that only has 1 friend
I wish I was your friend swirft ❤
Yeah as a Lin Fei player for years now, Dex just doesn't work anymore, obv you can still outplay anyone, but at the end of the day you need the extra force.
I use my maygyar with speed beacuse good defense +good speed is a great combo, and have my partner with tezca for the kills, in 1v1 i maybe will give try to stenght
Boomie said speed doesn't matter especially in gs legends
@@Swirft thx i will start to run my maygyar stenght
@@El-pibe_random69. 😭
@@Swirft i mean strength
@@Swirft Wait, really? Ig it's because greatsword is grounded and magyars gs nsig is like another recovery...
No entiendo mucho el inglés, qué es cuando pone el emote en lugar de la característica que debería llevar?
Base (Sin nada)
@@Swirft MUCHAS GRACIAS SWIRFT
Swirft is going ruthless on the disagreeing commenters 😭
It's crazy even when pros vouching ppl one tricking legends try so hard to think they're right 😭
Speed on Sentinel is amazing though
i really thought the best for teros in 1s was dex, i've seen some pros playing with +dex
So dex on Teros is 50/50 because you save a frame on four moves being Nlight,Slight,Nair,Sair but the problem is that when you play long enough you don’t really notice the difference between having dex or not I started playing Strength a week ago and I love it way more because Teros smacks them with a sig or Sair and their soul leaves their body but kyna be dominating with dex❤️🔥
Casidy defence? Missing out on a consistant 4 hit true combo on hammer. Dex stance definately
What is it?
@@brandonmorehouse7507search it up cos the sair into dlight is not the easiest go get but with some practise you can get it consistent every time. sair dlight sidelight dash nlight
@@brandonmorehouse7507 if i aint wrong it was sair dlight slight cd nlight
@@pokeriolu ah i see
But doesn’t that you mean have to just hit sair at zero, like at low damage presumably.
@@pokeriolu and also you have to do it landing with forward drift?
java play Dusk in strength, i think Dusk is strength in once e defence in twos
But Java is a top player and knows what's he's doing
dusk strength is 100% valid, defense is still good but strength has more value since youre essentially making a useless stat good. boomie also knows what he's doing and as swirft quoted him, always sacrifice dex if they get nothing out of it or unless its completely necessary
Cassidy defense is crazy
bro in marathon
Onyx run speed. Takes away dex, whiich is not needed for cannon and gaunts. You get more movement, dont run base
This is prolly the only comment I can agree with like that, I think there was a reason to run base though like dex actually doing something for once, I don't have the frame data here rn
@@Swirft so what does dex help with on onyx if i base stance?
Does cannon need dex? I see we take 2 dex on seven and don’t mind that, but we’re sticking with 4 dex on onyx and Sidra in 1’s even tho we could go down to 3 with another stance. Is 4 some kinda unjumpable breakpoint for cannon?
As a cannon main I can confirm that you don’t need dex on cannon because it changes nothing but the recovery time of any of your moves but for characters like seven you definitely need the speed because there’s a huge difference in movement with 4 speed vs 5 speed, for onyx the reason he said base is because she doesn’t excel at anything putting a stat in ones but in twos the extra damage in team combos decides stocks and potentially even games depending on the circumstance, and sidra in my opinion does better on defense because of the extra damage she can take but she also does good on anything🤓❤️🔥😊
@@DankestDomain good to know, thanks!
@@agedgouda8809 you’re welcome broski❤️🔥
Use speed on arcadia and strength on jiro but other than that good 👍
Nah gs legends don't care about speed and Jiro needs the defense
Unless you're really good at him, like a top player, then you'll probably give strength on Jiro more use that's true
@@Swirft true but jiro feels so flimsy with 4 attack. I feel like speed helps with following up and edge the guarding on greatsword like it's not useless
@@Puffchuffer69 Yknow Boomie said the exact opposite to me, how speed is particularly useless on greatsword
On one hand, Boomie is correct. Gs and spear are defensive weapons that don't get as much of a benefit from speed as other weapons, and with Arcadia's traps encouraging an especially defensive style, as well as the numerous changes to dash that benefit low speed legends, defense is a very good choice on Arcadia...
...but on the other hand, Arcadia is abysmal offstage. Magyar can get away with low speed because he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve, none of which Arcadia has. She doesn't have hammer recovery to ward off gimps, she doesn't have gs nsig to give her a fourth jump, and she doesn't have the sky-high defense that makes Magyar so hard to actually knock offstage in the first place, or the defense that also allows Magyar to eat ground pounds like potato chips and still survive. Speed stance helps Arcadia deal with offstage encounters, and it also helps her weave past enemies trying to trap her at the ledge, ironically helping her survive longer than defense stance does. And while speed isn't as necessary on gs and spear as it is on other weapons, it still is helpful for avoiding attacks and getting out of tight spots.
In all honesty, I think both you and Boomie are correct. Defense and speed are about equal in how good they are. If you are especially good at dealing with edge guards and ledge traps, defence stance is a no brainer, but I think speed is far from useless, helping you deal with these situations more consistently. At that point you have to try both and decide what's best for you. Perhaps if the video was longer there would have been room for that debate, but unfortunately swirft has to keep the attention of middle school sugar junkies, so 🤷♂️.
great vid, every stance mentioned is great except these three:
- brynn's best stance is dex rather than strength, on spear she gets sair nlight true on 70-, and on axe she gets slight nair ledge-cancel dlight true up on 90- (both are consistent). its definitely worth it especially since it synergizes with both weapons and she already has plenty of speed.
- onyx should have speed instead of base since dex does nothing for him.
- sidra should have defense instead of base since dex also does nothing for her.
ill give you a pass on stances that boost defense of low def characters since its a casual list
Sword i dont think you can get dlight -> gp > gc nlight true on 3 dex
@@Desxire oh true i completely forgot about that, base stance is valid then. personally i think that makes strength stance the best, but that's significantly more subjective. base, defense, and attack stance are all great choices, just depends on preference.
@@SlushFiend yeah I agree. I run base on sidra personally but you dont lose much other than that combo from running defense. Base in 1s defense in 2s
ngl Strength stance doesnt do much for magyar, ive been saved more often by speed stance because everyone just thinks they can kill me if I'm offstage.
YEETER IS A CUTIE
it seems you can no longer have different stances for different gamemodes... not sure if its a bug or not
Thanks
"cassidy defense" bro she literally got a 4 piece at 9 dex
Surely you're hitting that in ranked every game bro
@@SwirftYes.... Its easily consistant😭
@@AwesomeBH241 Especially in 2s
@@Swirft you never specified 2s? You just said defence? 😭
@@AwesomeBH241 You're defending 4 defense for casual players bro please 😭
Can't believe I got diana base right
so im happy that i play my mains with the correct stance
(my 3 highest legends are ember red raptor and artemis)
but i will still play tezca speed for balance and gnash dex for dlight sair true
also i find funny that vraxx and teros are the only ones that could viably go with dex stance
With gnash, you still should be able to hit dlight sair on both weapons, even with 2 dex. It might be a bit tighter, but it is most definitely possible.
@@gengarisnotinsmash... aight
Sidra is definitely Defense since her Dex is already low, the changes arent noticeable
I run her defense too
Dude, what are you doing to that guy in the background?
😭😭😭
Not dex on Volkov to get axe arial dair dlight true?
No
Idk. I'm on defense with Azoth cause thats the one that is obtained sacrifying dex, and dex is bad ( most of the time ).
Is it trully worth it to go for speed ( i'm low -mid, at my peak - platinum )?
You could prolly use the 5 speed yes
Speed makes it a well rounded character and the extra dex you dont burn makes it a frame window lower in some bow strings (like slight dair going to 1 frame thus unjumpable) and also makes easier to hit slight nair on axe if you struggle with it
Edit: this come from a mit plat lvl 53 azoth main
@@Gat089. I'm lvl 74 with Azoth 😁
Ok, your informations are precious. I don't really struggle with Slot Nair on axe but the bow things are looking quite relevant. Let's go for it
Can you make another video explaining why in more detail
I mean it's pretty straightforward in most if not all
Dexterity is useless on most weapons, therefore any stance that takes away from dext becomes the best one. Some legends have no speed/defense so the best stance is probably something that tries to help their weaknesses (queen nai has no speed, therefore the best stance is giving her speed). In 1s speed is the most important stat, in 2s speed is less important since there are two players controlling the field and it's more team-combo-oriented, therefore defense to tank hits or attack become the best stances
Keep in mind axe is meta in 2s and 4/5 hits and you are red if you use a legend with low defense, thats why high defense and high attacks are good in 2s
@@icefire4814 ty
@@GrayscaleStudios7 yw
Why Diana base if speed takes from dex?
Nvm for diana both Speed and Base are good, whichever you like more
Why onyx base? Or ig why anything base if there’s always something that could take from dex?
Look end of the vid
I’m slightly offended by Nix’s best stance not being speed
Wu shangalang my love😍
Defense over Speed for Arcadia?
DID YOU JUST SAY "KOYI"?! 0:40
Hi
Hi
sentinel dex
No
As a Brynn main I find speed to be the better stance
Prolly the worst of them all tbh
the goat
personally i think defence is better for gnash
HEY Swirft is Ezio Defense true knowledge or are you bamboozling me again
does dexterity just not matter?
I use strenght with zariel
nah, loki needs more dex.
Finally
and asuri?
you should add time stamps maybe
Hownto use it?
What about Imugi ?
Speed
I will NEVER give low defense characters defense, just feels pointless to me
3 to 4 makes a difference but as long as you dont go 2 do whatever
5 defense is a bit thing to have, so many legends are not played especially in 2s because they lack defense
is there orion bc i didn't see it ??
There is
Also I didn’t say but overall good video 😂 no actual hate just disagree on one thing
imugi?
The best
Why gnash strength?
Because it's his best stance
😭
Wat abt yumiko
I watched again and found her
Wrong, thatch needs 2 defence.
Real Cassidy mains know 9 dex is the best way to go
Maybe the most fun but not most consistent
diane based?
Where is ragnir ??
In the video
Dex is useless??
u didint say volkov
Are you blind
How to get stances???? I only have base stance for everything
leveling up the legend
@@bobo-yi6sf thanks, i realised that after commenting it, but i was new to the game so i didnt really know what and how to do
arcadia second and i already disagree :d
4 speed cannot run gangy u need 5 speed
Go argue with Boomie not me 2000 elo peaker
Diana base whattttttttttttttt
Either base or strength, Boomie runs strength iirc
@@SwirftI remember a video of his from a while ago (bow guide?) where he says to run speed on diana, and imo that's still the best stance
@@greenstar0257 You're right just asked him he runs speed, base is also good tho for sure
Diana BASEEED????????????????????????????????????????????????? BAAASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDD??????
Diana has 2 two fast weapons, based?, speed stance hellooooo
All my life I have played Sidra with either defense or Dex which might be the reason im stuck on gold (4 years stuck)
Dex on Sidra sounds like wanting to lose on purpose
Use either base or the one that takes away from dext since it's useless
@@Swirft me who plays sidra with dex: well guess i just suck
Dónde kor
Bro speedran this vid wtf
Thatch isn't dex, list is invalid (jk)
He doesn’t need dex stance
@@captain-h20__99 that's why I put jk at the end, also it's fun to use cuz you can hit dlight nsig true on blasters one more time
@@nano_cup makes sense
idk what to say tbh
Then dont comment
@@swagdudearcidon LOL