What you heard at the beginning is what's called found music, objects not usually used to create music (sirens, kazoos, bird whistles, saws, etc) and music concrete or recorded sounds for music. At the beginning the band would pick a word or words and Zappa would conduct them making them say the word slow, fast, staccato, high, low. Zappa was truly one of a kind
This version is from the 1982 european tour...right up to the end of the "Blowjob/Bidet" section. At this point it cuts to 1971 flo and eddie band... Ian Underwood on sax and then Zappa playing a telecaster lent to him by a music store in england... because his equipment was burnt in a fire the other day...one of Frank's more unusual solo's on guitar. Then... after the solo it cuts back to the 1982 european tour.
King Kong is a vehicle for jamming; there are probably hundreds to choose from and this is just 1 of many that Zappa released officially. Some great solos here
COMMENT 1: Despite a slow start, there's lots of improv to cherish here - the 1971 portion contains one of Frank's most unusual/refreshing solos [complete with quotes from then-unfinished tunes], the 1982 portion, besides the flashback to the mid-Yellow Snow-incident, has another example of Frank-as-director challenging Tommy Mars as if he were a Crystal Maze contestant. It's just that, well... There are literally a thousand King Kongs to choose from - and if you were making a King Kong to-do list, this album-track wouldn't be nearly as high up the priority list as ... Stockholm 1967 ("the real Ian Underwood!"), BBC TV 1968 ("starring Don as Dr Jekyll and as himself"), Boston Ark 1969 (the medley, with both Gardners soaring), San Fran 1970 ("by George, he's got it!"), Paris 1970 (a whole lotta Jean-Luc), or even the Jazz Noise Here version (with Bruce's tantrum and Kurt's climaxes)
What a great show and a great tune this was... "The ARK" a live 1969 album recorded in Boston has a great version of "King-Kong" much different than this one. Starts off with Uncle Meat. Really Raw + Dirty sound.
COMMENT 2: The issue with Lennon is that when Lennon released his mix/edit of the Fillmore jam (on the bonus disc of Some Time In New York City) he didn't credit King Kong as a track, and consequently only gave Zappa credit/royalties for the Scumbag portion (which, incidentally, he also "spoiled" by submerging Howard's adlibbed lyrics). But it is probably the result of record-company interference, at least in part. Because even if he failed to recognise the inclusion of King Kong as a discrete "tune" , the handwritten notes on the inner sleeve of STiNYC have confusing timings/credits which indicate that Lennon was planning to release a different edit of the event from the one that's actually on the album!
@@Royale_with_Cheeze You're overlooking the whole issue with the handwritting track timings on the inner sleeve which clash with the actual disc. Based on those, insomuch as they can be imagined to ever make any sense, "Jamrag (Lennon/Ono)" is the hand-signal transition into King Kong., and "Scumbag (Lennon/Ono/Zappa)" encompasses a bit of Say Please, the theme statement, the Aawk jam, Scumbag, and a portion of Small Eternity.
Please explain what Zappa "borrowed" from Iron Man and be specific otherwise that's just like your opinion man th-cam.com/video/FZQj6uBPK6c/w-d-xo.html
@@itconqueredtheworldsmith4053 Listen to Iron Man. Same basic melody as King Kong. Only differences are once the Mothers get into the total improvisation sections.
@@nathanherkowitz764 Oh if you didn't notice I put the link to Iron man in my reply and No it's not even close you are either tone deaf or a complete musical illiterate or both
King Kong was written in 1965 or 1966... it was taught to the Mothers of Invention in 1967 or early 1968. Since then... it has been played by almost EVERY version of Zappa live touring bands. This is the Steve Vai touring band. This is not the version that John Lennon (or somebody in Lennon's entourage) "Stole" from Zappa...if you're interested... that version is right here... th-cam.com/video/T2LTFtm67EA/w-d-xo.html The melody which represents the "head" of this song which is now considered a Jazz standard and is found in many "fake books" of Jazz players all over the world, can be heard at 1:32 of John Lennon's and Yoko Ono's..."Jamrag"
Great song but this isnt the correct version with lennon. This version is from the rainbow theater the night Zappa got pushed off the stage and almost died. The one with Lennon is from his performance at the filmore east you can tell by all of Yokos screaming in it lol. I've seen a few interviews with Zappa and it sounds like it was a record studio move more so then Lennon's.
John Lennon stole?! What BS! Lennon got the titles wrong and gave Zappa credit for a different song. People have been spinning a web of tall tales on a lot of different events lately.
Yes John Lennon stole and didn't give credit to the Zappa song King Kong ,as Some Time in New York City, the vocals of Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan had been removed, and Zappa did not receive writing credit for "King Kong", which was wrongly identified on this release as "Jamrag".He and Lennon had also agreed that each would release their own version of the performance, but Zappa was legally prevented from issuing his version, which did not appear until the release of Playground Psychotics in 1992. Frank Zappa's version of the live recordings captured on side four of Some Time in New York City was released in 1992 on Frank Zappa's album Playground Psychotics.These mixes/edits make Zappa and his band more prominent in the mix (most notably in the song "Scumbag" where Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan's vocals are audible) than they had been on Some Time in New York City.In some cases the songs were given new titles: "Say Please" and "Aaawk" are edited from "Jamrag" (a longer piece on Some Time in New York City), and "Aü" is retitled "A Small Eternity With Yoko Ono". This remixed/remastered edition, issued on a single disc, omits much of the live material with Zappa (though it is available in a different mix/edit on Zappa's Playground Psychotics) and includes "Listen, the Snow Is Falling" & "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" as bonus tracks. Some of the track times, notably for "We're All Water" and "Don't Worry Kyoko", differ from those on the original vinyl LPs.
@@itconqueredtheworldsmith4053 Again, you're regurgitating the same story. Lennon didn't steal Zappa. You just want an excuse to shit on a celebrity and because you're not alone in this desire, you feel comfortable in numbers. There truly is so many of this attitude all around. It doesn't make you right. It only makes you look ignorant.
@@marcribe6483 Saying a thing is so doesn't make it so , if the shoe fits wear it .Go ahead use some facts to back up your assertions that John Lennon didn't steal a Zappa song and rerelease it under a different name ((because he did) the song King Kong is on the album and there are no credits given and the Name of the song was changed ) .In order for John Lennon to legally release a cover song by any artist on an album he would have had to secure a Mechanical License , by securing a compulsory mechanical license which is required by law as part of the 1909 Copyright Act - and compensating the rights holder for their work ,But JOHN LENNON NEVER DID THAT !!! Btw you said this "There truly is so many of this attitude all around" and that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever , honestly who says " so many of this " ?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA A COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE
@@marcribe6483 Frank Zappa revealing that John Lennon stole his copy written song isn't "a story" it's verbatim out of Frank Zappa's mouth NOT A STORY so DEAL WITH IT .
What you heard at the beginning is what's called found music, objects not usually used to create music (sirens, kazoos, bird whistles, saws, etc) and music concrete or recorded sounds for music. At the beginning the band would pick a word or words and Zappa would conduct them making them say the word slow, fast, staccato, high, low. Zappa was truly one of a kind
This version is from the 1982 european tour...right up to the end of the "Blowjob/Bidet" section.
At this point it cuts to 1971 flo and eddie band... Ian Underwood on sax and then Zappa playing a telecaster lent to him by a music store in england... because his equipment was burnt in a fire the other day...one of Frank's more unusual solo's on guitar. Then... after the solo it cuts back to the 1982 european tour.
My mind will be snapping like a rubber band for the next three days...................................addictive big time.
Fantastic live, and one more fantastic guitar solo...Viva Zappa !
Awesome music , i enjoyed it very much !! Great Zappa 👍👌 Thank you so much RORY 🤗🌹
If you want to hear John & Yoko with Zappa you need to listen to Disc 6, Tracks 1 through 5 of the box set "The Mothers 1971"
King Kong is a vehicle for jamming; there are probably hundreds to choose from and this is just 1 of many that Zappa released officially. Some great solos here
Look for the newer extended release of the Fillmore East LP. It contains the set that Lennon did with the Mothers. There is Video of it as well.
Moooooo-aaaaaah !
It' desperatly a case of....
Arf Arf Arf
COMMENT 1: Despite a slow start, there's lots of improv to cherish here - the 1971 portion contains one of Frank's most unusual/refreshing solos [complete with quotes from then-unfinished tunes], the 1982 portion, besides the flashback to the mid-Yellow Snow-incident, has another example of Frank-as-director challenging Tommy Mars as if he were a Crystal Maze contestant. It's just that, well...
There are literally a thousand King Kongs to choose from - and if you were making a King Kong to-do list, this album-track wouldn't be nearly as high up the priority list as ...
Stockholm 1967 ("the real Ian Underwood!"), BBC TV 1968 ("starring Don as Dr Jekyll and as himself"), Boston Ark 1969 (the medley, with both Gardners soaring), San Fran 1970 ("by George, he's got it!"), Paris 1970 (a whole lotta Jean-Luc), or even the Jazz Noise Here version (with Bruce's tantrum and Kurt's climaxes)
IMO King Kong got better as FZ aquired better players so I would suggest any King Kong after '69.
What a great show and a great tune this was...
"The ARK" a live 1969 album recorded in Boston has a great version of "King-Kong" much different than this one. Starts off with Uncle Meat. Really Raw + Dirty sound.
He may have stolen his song unfortunately he could not take his talent Love ya Frank
COMMENT 2: The issue with Lennon is that when Lennon released his mix/edit of the Fillmore jam (on the bonus disc of Some Time In New York City) he didn't credit King Kong as a track, and consequently only gave Zappa credit/royalties for the Scumbag portion (which, incidentally, he also "spoiled" by submerging Howard's adlibbed lyrics). But it is probably the result of record-company interference, at least in part. Because even if he failed to recognise the inclusion of King Kong as a discrete "tune" , the handwritten notes on the inner sleeve of STiNYC have confusing timings/credits which indicate that Lennon was planning to release a different edit of the event from the one that's actually on the album!
@@Royale_with_Cheeze You're overlooking the whole issue with the handwritting track timings on the inner sleeve which clash with the actual disc. Based on those, insomuch as they can be imagined to ever make any sense, "Jamrag (Lennon/Ono)" is the hand-signal transition into King Kong., and "Scumbag (Lennon/Ono/Zappa)" encompasses a bit of Say Please, the theme statement, the Aawk jam, Scumbag, and a portion of Small Eternity.
Reggae version;)
Zappa probably "borrowed" much of it from Eric Dolphy's Iron Man.
Please explain what Zappa "borrowed" from Iron Man and be specific otherwise that's just like your opinion man th-cam.com/video/FZQj6uBPK6c/w-d-xo.html
@@itconqueredtheworldsmith4053 Listen to Iron Man. Same basic melody as King Kong. Only differences are once the Mothers get into the total improvisation sections.
@@nathanherkowitz764 Oh if you didn't notice I put the link to Iron man in my reply and No it's not even close you are either tone deaf or a complete musical illiterate or both
btw I'll make a video and show you just what an tone deaf musical illiterate you are for saying that
@@nathanherkowitz764 HAHAHAHAHHAHA Dolphy is 9 minutes of improve HAHAHAHAHAHA you're a maroon
King Kong was written in 1965 or 1966... it was taught to the Mothers of Invention in 1967 or early 1968.
Since then... it has been played by almost EVERY version of Zappa live touring bands.
This is the Steve Vai touring band. This is not the version that John Lennon (or somebody in Lennon's entourage) "Stole" from Zappa...if you're interested... that version is right here...
th-cam.com/video/T2LTFtm67EA/w-d-xo.html
The melody which represents the "head" of this song which is now considered a Jazz standard and is found in many "fake books" of Jazz players all over the world, can be heard at 1:32 of John Lennon's and Yoko Ono's..."Jamrag"
Great song but this isnt the correct version with lennon. This version is from the rainbow theater the night Zappa got pushed off the stage and almost died. The one with Lennon is from his performance at the filmore east you can tell by all of Yokos screaming in it lol. I've seen a few interviews with Zappa and it sounds like it was a record studio move more so then Lennon's.
nope, this version is from a 1980’s show
John Lennon ?
John Lennon stole?! What BS! Lennon got the titles wrong and gave Zappa credit for a different song. People have been spinning a web of tall tales on a lot of different events lately.
Yes John Lennon stole and didn't give credit to the Zappa song King Kong ,as Some Time in New York City, the vocals of Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan had been removed, and Zappa did not receive writing credit for "King Kong", which was wrongly identified on this release as "Jamrag".He and Lennon had also agreed that each would release their own version of the performance, but Zappa was legally prevented from issuing his version, which did not appear until the release of Playground Psychotics in 1992. Frank Zappa's version of the live recordings captured on side four of Some Time in New York City was released in 1992 on Frank Zappa's album Playground Psychotics.These mixes/edits make Zappa and his band more prominent in the mix (most notably in the song "Scumbag" where Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan's vocals are audible) than they had been on Some Time in New York City.In some cases the songs were given new titles: "Say Please" and "Aaawk" are edited from "Jamrag" (a longer piece on Some Time in New York City), and "Aü" is retitled "A Small Eternity With Yoko Ono". This remixed/remastered edition, issued on a single disc, omits much of the live material with Zappa (though it is available in a different mix/edit on Zappa's Playground Psychotics) and includes "Listen, the Snow Is Falling" & "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" as bonus tracks. Some of the track times, notably for "We're All Water" and "Don't Worry Kyoko", differ from those on the original vinyl LPs.
@@itconqueredtheworldsmith4053 Again, you're regurgitating the same story. Lennon didn't steal Zappa. You just want an excuse to shit on a celebrity and because you're not alone in this desire, you feel comfortable in numbers. There truly is so many of this attitude all around. It doesn't make you right. It only makes you look ignorant.
@@marcribe6483 Saying a thing is so doesn't make it so , if the shoe fits wear it .Go ahead use some facts to back up your assertions that John Lennon didn't steal a Zappa song and rerelease it under a different name ((because he did) the song King Kong is on the album and there are no credits given and the Name of the song was changed ) .In order for John Lennon to legally release a cover song by any artist on an album he would have had to secure a Mechanical License , by securing a compulsory mechanical license which is required by law as part of the 1909 Copyright Act - and compensating the rights holder for their work ,But JOHN LENNON NEVER DID THAT !!! Btw you said this "There truly is so many of this attitude all around" and that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever , honestly who says " so many of this " ?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA A COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE
@@marcribe6483 Btw don't forget to address the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM too ! I can't wait to hear you're explanation of that !
@@marcribe6483 Frank Zappa revealing that John Lennon stole his copy written song isn't "a story" it's verbatim out of Frank Zappa's mouth NOT A STORY so DEAL WITH IT .