I was surprised at the low number of subscr.ibers... But then I went on the homepage and I was even more surprised to find out this was the 13th video that this channel put out and it was the 1st to be more than a couple of minutes long and with this type of content. I'm not an expert, but due to these parameters the quality of this video is actually amazing. I wonder if they had previous experience, because this is pretty impressive.
I'm not Chinese but i love to learn about it's culture and history. Well, anything Asian I'm always very interested to learn about. I find the cultures fascinating. This was surprisingly a good watch 👍🏼 well done
I mean the Jiangnan area was a economic and cultural center of China from Song dynasty onwards, but the city of Shanghai itself and the cities that came before it probably wasn't of any special significance.
nanjing was more important back then, during the 3 kingdom period, it was known as jianye and was the capital of the wu kingdom, during the song dynasty, it was the capital of the ming before they moved it to beijing
Oh wow, now I get the backstory of the sizable Hakka Cantonese population who emigrated to Jamaica hundreds of years ago and stayed..Love this and them so much, although I’m in Maui over 20 years now I’m still fascinated with various asiatic histories. I find you all so creative, funny and beautiful.
NBA player Kyle Anderson has a jamaican background and his mother side was from Shenzhen Guangdong, he is now "returning" to China and play basketball in Chinese league now.
Hakka is not Cantonese, both Hakka and Cantonese are Han Chinese or Han Chinese mixed baiyue. Cantonese language was old Han Chinese, same as Hakka but from different period of the Chinese dynasty. Mandarin is a language that heavily influence by non Chinese language when they were in power such as Mongol and Manchu language.
@@johnny5584Yeah agreed. Cantonese is so Chinese it still has the traditional writing system unlike Mandarin which abandoned Chinese characters to the point where you can no longer decipher the meaning via the radicals.
@niceboke there's no such people called "madarin", it is only the name of a dialect that based off many Chinese dialects primarily from the northern and western part of China. Mandarin was chosen to be the official dialect simply because it is easier to learn and was already in use for many parts of China at the time. Canton is not the only province that has a very different dialect. There's some kind of dialect in every province, many of them contained some elements of what you called ancient Chinese. Base on genetic makeup, all han Chinese are highly homogeneous, so you are right about Canton people being Chinese, but also the same for everyone else in China😊. Comparing Cantonese and Chinese is like comparing Californian and American, they are not on the same category.
Cantonese people are very proud of Han culture, they have made many films on this topic, they have influenced the national spirit throughout China so they were merged into China in 1997, just as they wanted. . . How wonderful! 🙂
I am not sure how this video appeared in my recommended but I love this! Such a great history lesson. My mom is Cambodian but my dad is Chinese but was raised in Cambodia… he speaks Teochew but I think it’s called Chaozhou in mandarin. I tend to speak more about my Cambodian heritage but it’s great learning about my Chinese background. GREAT video!
I recall the Chinese in Thailand, that on average tend to be the more affluent in the country I’ve been told, speak the Teochew dialect. Not sure if the Teochew Chinese were the ones to make early inroads into Malaysia, Myanmar & Indonesia, and if Teochew is the same dialect as, or closely related to, the Hokkien dialect that is employed in the ‘Singlish’ dialect?
@scottmcintire8634 Teochew is a Southern Min Language, so yes it's closely related to Hokkien (Minnan). And Hokkien was the lingua franca of Chinese traders and workers throughout Southeast Asia back in the days of western colonisation (mainly British in this case) before Cantonese was popular.
@scottmcintire8634 And yes, the Chinese in Thailand have assimilated into the local culture long before others in neighbouring countries, and the reason is really not so hard to understand. The main one is religion, they are mostly Buddhists so there are no issues, second is good government policies that made them assimilate, unlike in malaysia or indonesia, Thai people are generally more friendly/accepting and not that discriminative towards people of other races.
@@madcat97I think you mean other ethnicities, chinese and thai is both Asian（asian race）. Mostly tho , chinese with thai citizenship and in thailand since at least several or more generations mostly dont identify as chinese neither do most of ppl here who are Thai/chinese mixed （ includes anybody in my family that is either full or half chinese）. Anyways, about ethnic backround i doubt that nowadays , that most people are ‘pure, of just one ethnicity anymore. Especially not southeast asia. Migration has been gping on since generations, and southeast asia is one pf the regions on earth that is already heavily “asian mixed” （ mainly with south, southeast and east asian *mainly chinese* mixed）hence why some of us dont have just one specific appeareance. But ingeneral , yes , southeast asia or at least most of the countries volks there are more open to mix with other people from theyr nearby countries unlike japan and korea who are still heavily homogenic. My family in thailand is mainly south chinese and thai but some also have some vietnamese lao and south asian （indian） roots.
@mxd-1990asn Yes, that's what I meant, the Chinese in Thailand have already fully assimilated into Thai culture and mixed with the locals and don't identify as "Chinese" anymore but instead as Thai. I think it's a good thing though. Although some might think they lost their original identity.
Thank you for mentioning the Opium war. I was born in Hong Kong and we were taught that the opium war was started by India....Thank you for speaking the truth! British was the one to import opium war because British could not repay the debt from the tea trade. According to the International Laws, Hong Kong and Kowloon were not supposed to be part of British colony. That was the reason why British returned Hong Kong colony back to China in 1997. For this reason, we should respect the current integrity of the United Kingdom....Now, let Hong Kong be part of China and the people there need time to enjoy peace!
Overseas born chinese, my great grandfather ended up emigrating bc of the roaming triads extorting money. Thanks for this great coverage of the history of the Cantonese. I wish more of our family's personal history in China was passed down, but at least I can salvage a bit of info here. Cheers ❤
Roaming triad? My ass! Who are you trying to fool? I can guess your great grandfather is from 98-100 years ago. 2 causes of why our ancestor leaving china : Civil war or mass poverty. My great grandfather, a farmer migrated around 1930. which is the obvious messed up situation going on the nation
@@didierduplantier8359Hong Kong in turn got to where it is today from the influx of refugees fleeing Communists from the mainland. Notably, Shanghai bankers brought their investments and knowhow that made HK into an international center of finance.
@@MrSchtickyrice There was no Shanghai prior to 19th century. The international trading center was in Canton (十三行). After Canton trading center was burnt down during the Second Opium, merchants in Canton moved to Shanghai to jump start Shanghai. After communists took over China, they came back to their homes.
That was truly enlightening. There is very little information about Cantonese and their history online. Thank you for making this video and sharing the knowledge. Fantastic!
There are some but not in English,Cantonese tribe and other Chinese minorities were part of the southeast Asian family before Han people had migrated then got mixed and civilized,that’s why we share similar tone with other languages like Vietnamese Because they were just tribes so not much history left to be honest,and history was written by the rulers.
Not very accurate. Cantonese are also Han Chinese. But 'China' 'Jinna' 'Cathay' 'Cathai' 'Zhing Guo' 'Han Guo' 'Tang Guo' is not one country. There is a central region that is effectively under the central government which is the emperor (imperial court). The pereferial regions are reasonable autonomous. At times, especially when the emperor is weak, some regions even do not recognise the central government. Some attempt to form their own kingdoms. Thus the so called Chinese Empire is large, but the real power is effectively welded over a smaller central region which is towards the East.
As a Cantonese myself, I feel this kind of video is trying to spread the misinformation that separates us Cantonese from Chinese identity (trying to divide the Chinese?) lmao. Here is the historical fact: Cantonese are descendants of Sinitic Chinese (Hua Xia people) mixed with Baiyue Chinese (many different tribes and ethnic groups, not one same tribe) to later form Han Chinese when the Han Empire was established. It was so powerful and golden age that we still prefer that identity (along with Tang Chinese) even now.
You sir just earned a like and subscribe. I usually never do any of those, but I like your content. Very detailed, informative, and funny. Love the Jones GOAT nod
As an overseas Chinese and a Cantonese no less, its very interesting to finally see a westerner who knows a thing or two about China's history. Keep it up.
That's been proven to be fake. Wittnesses from western diplomats as well as student leaders saw no massacre in the square. You have been lied to. @hirotakasugi4891
lol. Some people love to ease Kra-Dai people from existence, starting with history, so they would pretend to be Yue. While Thai and Lao history trying to make themselves native to the lands they live in. I don't think Kra-Dai people were the original inhabitant of Lingnan area either since they migrated from Chu, Wu and Yue state during Spring and AUtumn and Warring States period. She people, a sub-group of Hmong-Mien people are said to be the original inhabitant of Guangdong, before the Yue people invaded and founded Minyue state there.😅
@@SuryanChandra Northern Vietnam, largely Guangxi, part of Yunnan and Guangdong were inhabited by mostly the large Zhuang Bouyei people. Today, being the number 1 largest minority in China, they mostly concentrated in Guangxi and many parts of northern Vietnam. The one Hmong-Mien remnants are the She people of Guangdong. Most of them have been largely Sinicized.
@@niamtxiv I think that Kra-Dai people came from Zhejiang and Fujian area. They should be closer to Austronesian people in Taiwan and the Philippines but then they came to assimilate the natives of Lingnan area, most likely Austro-asiatic people, especially the Zhuang that would be the largest and most widespread of Kra-Dai people.Tai people had words for rice and dry field from Austro-asiatic languages, and words for wet-rice field from Austronesian languages, probably due to them having to switch to the new rice variety and adopt dry rice technology from the natives. The area of Northern Vietnam, especially the Red River Delta were inhabited by Austro-asiatic people, until the Dongson period (probably after Chu annexed Yue) where Kra-Dai people started to populate the area.
Yue is a bunch of multiple Tribes, dont act as if the Louyue people in Nothern Vietnam are the same Yue that get annexed by Chu. If we truely talking Northen Vietnam then the annextion only happened way later after Qin, Zhou Tuo did it. Not the Chu. Before that, since borders werent something anyone use to prevent every ethnics to migrate, why should the Baiyue only start migrating South after the Chu annexed Yue? make no sense. Every Ethnics of Everytribe in ancient time are free to move everywhere before the idea of invaders appear in the area@@SuryanChandra
@@vietnamcuongthinh0711 Li people separated from the rest of Kra-Dai and came down to Lingnan area way earlier before Luoyue existed. Luoyue might have been the Li people, or maybe another group of Kra-Dai who came down to conquer them. Even Zhuang people were not united until the Chinese government decided to make up the ethnic group by lumping them all into one giant group.
As a first generation Taiwanese American who doesn't know much about our family history past 2 generations, this was a great video to watch. Thank you for the time and energy that was invested into this project. Looking forward to check out others in your library.
Wow as a Cantonese and Thai speaker I often wondered why there’s so many similarities between the 2 languages…. Now I know there share some common roots in the Yue!! Fantastic video filling in some gaps in my Cantonese HK history…. Loved it.
Dai people is one of the baiyue tribes..modern thais ancestors came from yunnan dai people of dali kingdom during the fall of southern song dynasty from mongols invasion into China. Zhuang people in guangxi is a member of the dai family too. Thais Dai Zhuang and many others are dialectic different under the kra dai language group. Yue cantonese absorbed some words & vocabularies from the baiyue into yue cantonese language.
Thank you so much for this. I’ve been binging a lot on Vietnamese history to try to better piece together it’s origin. Your video did a tremendous amount in building the overall puzzle piece of my understanding and expanding my knowledge and appreciation for history
This is misleading, Western propaganda that created to divide Chinese. I am a Cantonese staying in Singapore. I have done a DNA TEST & my result shows that my Genetic is CONSISTENT with the majority of HAN CHINESE who consisted of a mixture of Northern & Southern Chinese in different Percentage - which is not very significant. Unless you are talking about CANTONESE FROM VIETNAM, then they probably have MIXTURE OF VIETNAMESE DNA who are NOT CHINESE. But my DNA result as a CANTONESE does not show I have DNA from the VIETNAM region
I am not a Chinese but my understanding of the mentioned history is extensive. Besides a few glitches here and there, this was an amazingly well made video. Keep it going, son. You’re great.
Proud of my cantonese/southern Chinese heritage. During ww2 southern regions were where most Chinese troops were recruited form because of their natural tendency to be good soldiers. Coincidentally, it was from Southern China and Cantonese region that the two major parties of modern China was created that swept across China and dominated all the rebellious warlords.
Nothing to be proud about. Cantonese has probly the most cuck culture and history in the world only after that of the Phillipines. Look at Hongcuck mentality compare to the rest of China. Cantonese were the first to emigrate to West enmass and Westernized but still fail for hundred of years because of subservient cuck mentality ingrained in culture. They even turn around to discriminate their own fellow Chinese while sucking western feets. I have more respect for the Chinese for their self pride and self reliance against foreign powers than any Cantoncuck.
This… is an interesting interpretation lol. The only time a major southern Chinese imperial regime had ever had success incorporating the north was the founding of the Ming Dynasty. Southern China otherwise had always been in a state oscillating between strictly defensive/self-preserving stance and outright capitulation to northern regimes. Occasional northward military campaigns did occur but if this was sports, the overall record is a losing record.
@@ZhangK71 The Southern lands were mostly undeveloped compared to the North for most of history and the regions remained largely autonomous despite being formally added to the various dynasties. The population in Southern China is also much smaller compared to the denser Northern China since that’s where most dynasties are built on. You control Northern China and you control all of China. So it was natural for the well developed regions up north to establish as a state that incorporates the South as part of their territory. But later in history once the Southern regions are developed, the dynamics of power and influence started shifting down south when Ming made their last stand against the Manchus while all of Northern China got conquered so easily. Southern Chinese regions have always been rebellious nonstop all the way to the Second World War. Once they finally developed into a worthy regional power of their own they immediately subjugated all of China into what is now the current regime. Both the CCP and KMT were the two entities that dominated Chinese politics since the 1900s.
@@Jake-dh9qk The demographic _and_ economic center of mass in China has been solidly in the Yangtze-delta / southeast (though, yes, granted, not the far south) since about the Tang days. This exactly proves my point: the south has had the people and the money and the food and “industries”, but it clearly did not have military supremacy. My contention is that southern Chinese are clearly not noticeably “better fighters”, as you claim. Yes, both the Communists and Nationalists arose from the south (actually, militarily the Commies’ first bases of operations were more central China… but I’m nitpicking), but clearly this occurred well after the Ming Dynasty and more importantly after the proliferation of firearms and artillery. I have zero combat experience or prowess, but could easily kill any unarmed person with a gun-it’s not exactly impressive.
I am Hakka speaking Chinese living in the United States. I have ancestral ties to the Guang Xi area and Northern Vietnam. Thanks for the history. Learned some stuff from watching this video.
Hakka's original homeland was mainly the northern part of China. They shifted south to avoid political turmoil in various dynasties in northern regions thus derived the name Hakka which means visitor. You can google search in Chinese, and you will get a better understanding than the history of China told by a Westerner.
@@Cubs3344i think he knows that. even in english wikipedia the history is pretty much the same, there is no cross-bias between the history in both languages from official sources
The region of Canton (Guangzhou / Yue / Nanyue) has been part of China for over 2,000 years, since its annexation by the Qin Dynasty. However, the region was relatively less Sinicized than the north, until the Southern Jin to Tang Dynasties ~1,500 years ago, first due to the northern population fleeing south from the northern invasions, and then due to much increased maritime trade with southern Asia. Edit: replaced 'developed' with 'Sinicized'. Also, an interesting fact is that Chinatowns worldwide are often called '唐人街', literally the 'street of the Tang people', because many of the earliest Chinese migrants outside of China were Cantonese due to their naval and entrepreneurial spirit, and the Cantonese referred to themselves as the 'people of the Tang Dynasty'.
i believe i learned the vietnamese are also included in the same bunch, zhao tuo just one day drew a red line and said everything on this side is now nanyue aka vietnam lol or yuenan if you want to get technical. you can get by with cantonese in vietnam these days, i've been to hanoi and it was literally as if i was in canton lol
My ancestors fled from there during the Qin Dynasty,they didn't want to be forced labourers, they settled in Northeastern India and today we are proud of our heritage.
I'm from Guangzhou, Taishanese actually, and lemme tell yah my dudes of the internet...our ancestors have always been outcasts to the ruling north, always looked down upon, and outright just put off on the side, unless they needed money, troops, or something else. Even up to now, not much has changed, as most if not all the ruling politicians are northerners, which is extremely funny as it was a southerner who was responsible for starting the revolution in China from imperial and foreign rule, Doctor Sun Yat-Sen. Another funny note is that Cantonese food is the most popular Chinese cuisine around the world, and it is so because most of the first immigrants to go around the world were from Guangzhou. Hell, Dim Sum is our thing you know..but the North will ALWAYS down play Cantonese people, our history before Dynastic rule, and our humongous contribution to the foreign Chinese population, culture, and influence around the world. *shakes fists at the north* Damn northern dogs! lol
You're missing the point here. Most of Taishanese were farmers and uneducated in the old days. Long story short, many educated ones came back to China and built the country. Guangzhou has been very important to China. China will protect Guangzhou at any cost. China gave up HK for 100yrs to save Canton city when the Brits were at the gate of the Canton city. If China didn't sign the treaty, the Brits would blast Canton city to the ground. Nowadays, Chinese can move and live anywhere in the country. One day, Taishanese will hold offices in the capital in the future.
Mao was a southerner from Hunan. Most of the founding fathers of the Chinese Revolution are southerners, including Marshal Ye Jianying (Yip), a Hakka from Guangdong.
When I did martial arts in my 20's, I studied choy li fut, which is the system that anti-Qing Yuet militants used in combat against Imperial forces. This video puts that period of Chinese history nicely into perspective, great video about a pivotal but underrated cradle of civilization.
Nei Ho, Si Hing, I, too, studied Choi Lei Fut with Grand Master Lei Kwoon Hung and traveled to Guang Dong where I met and married a woman of the old Tang family, and lived in Bai Yun, Guangzhou. There is constant discovery of ancient sites and artifacts of the Nan Yue, and if you should have the fortune to visit, there is the Tomb of the Nan Yue king and the 'Disneyworld' he built for the entertainment of his herd of pet Turtles near the center of the old Town. All preserved and open to the public. The Cantonese are a remarkable, enduring statement to humanity, and there is more throughout the Provence like Fo Shan and the ancient caves and shrine of the Sky King, an important site to CLF practioners where you can see if your chi will make the water dance. Fook y Wan, Si Hing!
Hey, this has been my favorite History video I’ve seen about this particular subject, so I was very surprised to see that this is in fact your first long-form video. You did a great job, would love to see more from you, but take your time because however long it took you to make this was clearly worth it. 🎉
It's pseudo-history without any basis in historical fact. The Cantonese are the descendants of waves of migrants from the north, not of indigenous tribes.
Fantastic video. I know a lot of history and watch videos like this for mindless entertainment or to refresh my memory, but generally turn them off after 5 minutes.. This is the first time I felt really absorbed into a video like this. Really good presentation... From start to finish it's entertaining and has great pacing. you have a good sense of humor without becoming overly silly, and solid information is presented concisely yet thoroughly. A lot struggle with this.. either information is bloated, or too sparse. You have a talent for this, subbed!
Interesting and informative video but I have issues with your chart. Note that the Wu-Min and Chu languages are non-Chinese origin languages but were basically Sinicized languages belonging to the non-Chinese groups related to the Bai Yueh tribes (Wu, Min and Chu peoples). Many of them were Austronesian or Austro Asiatic peoples, not Han people (Sino-Tibetan/Tibeto-Burman). You are in effect saying that Cantonese and Mandarin are the 'direct descendants' of the original Chinese language. What happened to the Shang-Zhou language's descendants? There is a missing link here.
Cantonese IS the first language of China. After the five barbarian tribes invaded north China and ate the people up there, the refugees that managed to get away set up their new base in Jianye (Mo Ling, same city Sun Quan and Zhou Yu ruled from). From Jian Ye, you had access to Jiaozhi which is where Hong Kong is today. It is thanks to Sun Quan’s forces in 200 AD that southern China was ready to live in and operate as though in Luo Yang.
Interesting, studying history is always the first step to understanding where and how things got to were they are today, like studying someone past to know who they are today, the past always affects the future….
Great video, love to see positive videos about the Cantonese people. Vietnam and Laos were classified as yue peoples by the chinese. The zhuang also have kept their identity as yue people too. I speak as someone from roots from northern Vietnam, guangxi, and guangdong, I appreciate the coverage. We are business savvy and pragmatic rather than dogmatic. Also culturally conservative and uptight
A side note: It is widely assumed Baiyue was Austro-Asiatic because the shared name/character of yue/viet/越/粵. This is a bit stretched because, as the video put it, it is just an exonymous cover term by the Chinese. Many substratum words in Southern Sinitic languages are found to be Tai. And the only phonetic record of Baiyue language in 越人歌 (Song of Yue) have been demonstrated to be Old Tai. So although it is undeniable that proto-Viet people consisted part of Baiyue, clearly proto-Tai people were also part of it.
You are right. Old Tai is definately part of Baiyue. The logic of assuming Baiyue was Austro-Asiatic is quite lame, like: Vietnam is viet > viet is a part of Baiyue > Vietnamese is Austroasiatic > Baiyue is Austroasiatic.....
Baiyue is a general for many ethnic tribes, Austro-Asiatic were never in Guangdong (Tai) but Vietnam's Red River Delta, aka Dong Song civilization. This content creator is propagating Vietnamese nationalist narrative.
Baiyue probably spoke proto-Tai, not strictly Tai. But it is also possible that they spoke other languages belonging to Austroneasian and Austroasiatic too, as genetic clues left by current Chinese populations in the South.
I'm not from the UK so this video is the first time I've seen boris Johnson offering tea and I keep forgetting that is actually how he talks anytime I see comedians impersonating him
vietnamese are a made up ethnicity, the "kinh" are primarily ethnically Khmer like alot of their culture is Khmer too like the black pajama farmer clothing what they call "Khăn rằn" is a copy of the Khmer "Krama", while they are culturally influenced by China through China's domination like their holidays Tet which is the copy of Chinese New Year and 50% of their vocabulary is Chinese while the remaining has Mon Khmer origin influence, the rest of vietnam is populated by the montagnard, Lao and Hmong. vietnamese have nothing to do with Baiyue they only knew about the Baiyue people was under Dai Viet during the 13th century almost 2,000 years after Baiyue existed and they only discovered it after reading Chinese legends and folklore, before that they had no idea about it because they were mostly under the Champa, Khmer kingdoms while the north of modern day vietnam was inhabited by the modern day Tai Kadai peoples which are not vietic.
@@alexzhangdragonn3438 In ancient times, Vietnam was driven to the South by China. On the way south, Vietnamese invaded Champa (Central Vietnam) and a part of Cambodia (South Vietnam). From the beginning, the origin of the Vietnamese people had nothing to do with the Champa and Cambodian people. Therefore, those who mixed with the indigenous people would have darker skin. That is why most Vietnamese people in the North of Vietnam have lighter skin than those in the Central and South. Vietnamese has no Khmer root at all. Vietnamese is considered invader to Khmer people. It’s very insulting to Khmer people when you give a completely wrong information like that. Originally, Vietnamese race is got nothing to do with Khmer, Champa and Chinese race. Of course nobody could stop them to marry each other when they live in the same country. As a matter fact, China did beat up next door and much weaker country like Vietnam brutally for thousand years of slavery and massacre. If France had not colonized Vietnam at that time, Vietnam could have been enslaved by China much longer. When the West conquered Asia, China would no longer be the ruler and would have fallen into the status of being ruled like Vietnam at that time . That is why China hates the West very much up until now. Because of the West, China lost its upper hand. Imagine if France and the West had never been in Asia, what would be the fate of Vietnam today? >>> Of course, writing Chinese characters and speaking Chinese. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Just lucky for Vietnam and for me too >> since I do not want to learn Chinese characters at all. 🤪
@@SunnyLongNguyen người miền trung và người miền nam không lai tạp với người champa nhé , vẫn là kinh di cư từ thời nguyễn , nếu cho bạn lấy dân tộc thiểu số khác văn hoad bạn có chịu không , miền trung nắng nhiều hơn mưa , chó ăn sỏi gà ăn đá thì nước da bị cháy nắng nhiều , miền nam lại là thời tiết nhiệt đới , thả người miền bắc vào sống miền nam 1 thời gian xem , sẽ không có sự khác biệt về da vẻ , người miền nam và trung ra bắc sống thì cũng sẽ trắng thôi
If a British actor like Russell Crowe can play in a movie to celebrate the glory of the Roman Empire. Then the Cantonese can do the same. "People should know when they are conqureed"- Gladiator
It's pseudo-history without any basis in historical fact. The Cantonese are the descendants of waves of migrants from the north, not of indigenous tribes.
Love your work. Laughed over but impressed with your effort in narrating in English with a Cantonese accent and another with an English accent! Well done 😂😅❤🎉❤ Cheers from the USA 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
most Chinese are not Chinese before they were conquered and assimilated to Chinese culture😅，including northern Chinese，my hometown was called huai yi 淮夷 huai barbarian 3000yrs ago even though it's in central china.😅 Shan dong山东 was called 东夷 east barbarian maybe 4000yrs ago even though it was Confucius' hometown.😅
This is misleading, Western propaganda that created to divide Chinese. I am a Cantonese staying in Singapore. I have done a DNA TEST & my result shows that my Genetic is CONSISTENT with the majority of HAN CHINESE who consisted of a mixture of Northern & Southern Chinese in different Percentage - which is not very significant. My DNA result also does not show I have DNA from the VIETNAM region
Not very accurate. I am an active Hakka. I speak Hakka since birth. I understand only some Cantonese, Mandarin and Hokkien. I am a very active Hakka. I eat Hakka food. I mix with Hakkas. I frequent Hakka shops. I frequent Hakka restaurants. I frequent Hakka areas. So I am reasonably verse in Chinese affairs and the Chinese mind. I am also very aware of a very bad and negative section of Chinese who we term 'zou gou' or 'runaway dog'. The history China is full of them. But that is another topic. ......
This is a pretty good video. But I am not sure why the author skipped over the Tang's period history, which was the first time a Cantonese became the Chinese prime minister (Zhang Jiuling). The maritime Silk Road also started there. And the first imperial highway (16 ft wide) was finally constructed to connect Canton area with China Proper.
same here bud .. am 4th gen diaspora .. English spkg/my vestigial Cantonese embarrassing. The vid explains somewhat my (previously unexplainable) disdain 4 the Nthn Han & Mandarins
well, NYC has 3-4 Chinatowns now. Flushing was settled in the 70s by a lot of Taiwanese. They tended to be educated and wealthier (lawyers, engineers, etc). Sunset park in Brooklyn is the other big one, a lot of the mainlanders from the 90s and on went there. Chinatown in NYC still has Cantonese people but nowadays more.. white people because everyone wants to live in Manhattan which is very expensive.
@@grilledflatbread4692 flushing was settled by everybody. Personally, im from kissena blvd and im indian. My school was basically the UN. I am almost certain we had at least 1 student from every region on earth.
@@grilledflatbread4692 on the same block, you could get cantonese dumplings, taiwanese hotpot, korean bbq, japanese sushi, szechuan stir fry, vietnamese pho, thai pad thai, indonesian satays, and a hotdog from sabrito.
Great video. This has similarities with ancient Indian history too. Though it is proved by genetics and archeaology that almost all people in Indian subcontinent are blood related. That is 65% of us are a mix of people from Sintastha Culture (From Russia - Ukraine & Kazhaksthan Steppes) & Indus Valley Civilization.(Mix Of Zagrosian Iranian Hunters & Ancient Ancestral South Indians) Plus we have BMAC blood too. North Easterners have more Sino Tibetan blood. Both Northerners and Southerners have small amounts of Sino Tibetan and Ancient North Siberian DNA too. (Only 5 % - 10%) During the Mahajanapadha period, people living below south of Vindhya ranges (except Asmaka which was situated on Eastern Maharashtra and Telengana) east of Magadha, west of Gandhara and north of Kapilavasthu and Kashmeera kingdoms were called Mlechchas. (uncouth, filthy barbarians, no refined culture, not civilzed enough to fit on the standards of Aryavartha.) Funny thing is that all the ancient Southern and Eastern kingdoms like Chola, Chera, Pandyas, Ays, Mushikas, Kodava, Nasika, Sinhala, Kalinga, Telenga, Andhra, Satavahana, Vanga, Pragjyothishpura kingdoms were established by royal clans from Aryavartha. They become Mlecha kingdoms because they didnot bring Brahmins to purify the lands and mixed heavily with locals violating endogamy rules as prescribed by Laws Of Manu. Brahmins began to migrate to these places only when Emperor Ashoka of Magadha made Buddhism a compulsory religion. These terrorist Buddhist monks began to forcibly convert people in mass. Brahmins got harassed too. Last phase of Sangam period (100 B.C) witnessed migration of Poorva Shikha Brahmins in Pandyan Kingdom. Apara Shikha Brahmins came along with Pallavas to destroy Kalabras and Chalukyas for good. We came to Tamilnadu in 7th century A.D. Pallavas worked under Satavahanas of Asmaka kingdom. They spoke Sanskrit and Maharashtri Prakrit in their early ruling lands. After making Kancheepuram as their capital they began to use Tamil as their official language. Brahmin dominance in South Indian administration, judiciary, land holdings, arts, music and drama were on a full swing diring Pallava and Medieval Chola Period. Maritime relations between South East Asia and South India opened new doors of opportunity to spread Hinduism and Buddhism. Pallavas were the first rulers in South India to built amazing temple structures. They introduced Pallava Grantha script still used in Tamilnadu and SE Asian countries like Laos, Thailand, Cambodia and Indonesia. Today we cannot imagine a prosperous India or China without modern cities which fall mostly on south of the country. Once mlecha lands now billion dollar making mega cities which account for 40% of wealth. Eg: Mumbai, Pune, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Kolkata, Vizag, Chennai, Kochi, Hongkong, Shanghai, Macau, Guanzhou etc. 👍
For a summarised recap of history Thumbs Up thousands of years in a few minutes Well done. I'm sure that I'm disturbed by aspects of reality but whoever said swallowing disorder was easy. Me can say that Han word for love is identical to Turkiye for Mother I truly wonder how much more
This was beautifully done! I am not Chinese but I did live in China, Japan and Taiwan and have a fondness for SE Asia. I knew this history from school but the details of the Yue culture was definitely explained here. Keep making more bro. China is awesome!
Before there were “Cantonese” what are the Guangdong/ Cantonese people? Who are the people live there? Let’s go back to Qin Dynasties and Han Dynasties. What does the people in Guangdong / Cantonese speak? Is not Cantonese. It’s a Yue language. Of course there are multiple Yue Tribes from Fujian to Northern Vietnam. These Yue majority of start moving South until they stop in Northern Vietnam and bacame Vietnamese today. Then Vietnam expand further South and took over Champa and part of Khmer empire. Vietnam is the last stand for the Yue people and tribes. Vietnamese are the ancient language of all Yue people including ancient Cantonese and Teochow and other Baiyue people. Today Cantonese is a mixture of Han Chinese and ancient Cantonese(Yue). Mandarin a modern language with Han Chinese and a mixture of Northerners from the Mongol and more influence from Manchuria. Tang Dynasties have a mixture of Mongol tribes but Tang Dynasties are the golden agar of Chinese empire and Vietnam was part of it from Qin Dynasties through the Tang Dynasties. Also shortly part of the Ming Dynasties. The Ming Dynasties are the worst to Vietnamese because it’s took thousands of years of Vietnam/Baiyue history and artifacts. It erase Vietnam and want to sinicize the Yue/Viet last frontier but after 20+ yeara the viet able to break free and independent.
Wow! This video is packed with history, dates, names, color commentary and dope-isms. 👲🏻 👏👏👏🤝 Well done sir! Reeeespect for the effort and time that must have gone into this! Instant subscribe and like! We love it!
Man! You are so knowledgeable on China’s history. I am a US citizen today. But I think my history and my ancestor’s history may fall into the timeline somewhere on how we eluded the Han Chinese into South East Asia. Primarily Northern Vietnam and Laos. Then eventually to the US. Thank you for educating us.
As a long student of China, I found this video very informative and well put together. It even included info that I had not learned much about during my BA in Asian Studies, especially the gradual siniciation of the Yue area, and the connection between Yue and Vietnam (although I noticed that the people and language in Hainan seem very much like Vietnamese). One minor point of contention, on the other hand, is the attempt to equate the "Chinese brother of Jesus" with Hitler. Trying to raise a revolt against the harsh and long hated foreign rulers of China bears no similarity with Hitler's anti-Semitism, concentration camps, and scape goatism combined with smoke and mirror distraction.
there is many common words in the vocabulary of Cantonese and Vietnamese. However, Viet language has a different grammar structure. Moreover, unlike Korean, Japanese or Thai which use the same numbering words from China, Viet has different numbering words that not related to any language in the world
I am a Hongkonger and I am quite shocked when I found this video. Thank you so much to spend so much effort and thank you so much for having interest in our tribe. It is true that we were called South barbarian in the past as you mentioned. We love foul language wholeheatedly 😂. It is very interesting that you include that old woman speech. She spoke foul language in the Legislation council while making her testimony. She was cursing someone cold-hearted to the elderly 😂. I want to point out that 咩 in no way to express surprise. In fact it is equivalent to "what". When we say 咩事， that means what's the matter". When we say 咩鬼（ghost), that means "what's up". But it is true that 咩 represents that noise made by the goats. I love this video, let me say thank you again.
I got into watching ancestry testing reactions for awhile. I've seen several Cantonese people disappointed to discover that they have SE Asian DNA. It baffles me because isn't that a large part of what gives Cantonese culture their distinctive flavor?
@@achtungbaby2009 your comment says much about you wanting to be superior, prestigious... Unfortunately, real history is in your way of feeling as such therefore you want to white-washing thousands years of history to feed your ego, to mend your glassheart.
Baiyue were not all Austro-asiatic speakers, the southern ones yes, northern ones are mostly Kra-Dai speakers, one of their descendants are the northern Tai people called Zhuang in Guangxi.
It's pseudo-history without any basis in historical fact. The Cantonese are the descendants of waves of migrants from the north, not of indigenous tribes.
I hardly watch videos about history, BUT, this video is so comprehensive and interesting that attracts me to watch from the beginning to the very end. You told me so much than what I learn myself, and I am a Cantonese. Thank you for your research and hard work.
It's China's intention to eliminate ethnic cultures in these regions to create unity throughout china. Kids these days in guangzhou dont even speak cantonese anymore unless taught by the parents. In school they are only taught mandarin. In Guangzhou also many old cultural buildings are getting demolished. In the next few generations the cantonese culture will be no more
Canton is not only the homeland for the Cantonese (Yue) but also the Hakka (客家) people, and Teochew/Teoswa (潮州/潮汕） I am joyful to have descended from this province, currently living in Singapore. I am from the Teoswa clan, and I am happy that this region and its people are getting recognition!
you are wrong, Canton isn't the homeland for the Hakka people, Hakka people typically migrate from northern provinces to the southern part of China during various dynasties when the northern part of China was in political turmoil thus the name 客家 (visitor) derive from there.
As someone who has studied history and have lived in Chengdu, China, I have to say even after just 5 minutes in, this is an excellent and well researched video!
Before there were “Cantonese” what are the Guangdong/ Cantonese people? Who are the people live there? Let’s go back to Qin Dynasties and Han Dynasties. What does the people in Guangdong / Cantonese speak? Is not Cantonese. It’s a Yue language. Of course there are multiple Yue Tribes from Fujian to Northern Vietnam. These Yue majority of start moving South until they stop in Northern Vietnam and bacame Vietnamese today. Then Vietnam expand further South and took over Champa and part of Khmer empire. Vietnam is the last stand for the Yue people and tribes. Vietnamese are the ancient language of all Yue people including ancient Cantonese and Teochow and other Baiyue people. Today Cantonese is a mixture of Han Chinese and ancient Cantonese(Yue). Mandarin a modern language with Han Chinese and a mixture of Northerners from the Mongol and more influence from Manchuria. Tang Dynasties have a mixture of Mongol tribes but Tang Dynasties are the golden agar of Chinese empire and Vietnam was part of it from Qin Dynasties through the Tang Dynasties. Also shortly part of the Ming Dynasties. The Ming Dynasties are the worst to Vietnamese because it’s took thousands of years of Vietnam/Baiyue history and artifacts. It erase Vietnam and want to sinicize the Yue/Viet last frontier but after 20+ yeara the viet able to break free and independent.
vietnamese are a made up ethnicity, the "kinh" are primarily ethnically Khmer like alot of their culture is Khmer too like the black pajama farmer clothing what they call "Khăn rằn" is a copy of the Khmer "Krama", while they are culturally influenced by China through China's domination like their holidays Tet which is the copy of Chinese New Year and 50% of their vocabulary is Chinese while the remaining has Mon Khmer origin influence, the rest of vietnam is populated by the montagnard, Lao and Hmong. vietnamese have nothing to do with Baiyue they only knew about the Baiyue people was under Dai Viet during the 13th century almost 2,000 years after Baiyue existed and they only discovered it after reading Chinese legends and folklore, before that they had no idea about it because they were mostly under the Champa, Khmer kingdoms while the north of modern day vietnam was inhabited by the modern day Tai Kadai peoples which are not vietic.
vietnamese are a made up ethnicity, the "kinh" are primarily ethnically Khmer like alot of their culture is Khmer too like the black pajama farmer clothing what they call "Khăn rằn" is a copy of the Khmer "Krama", while they are culturally influenced by China through China's domination like their holidays Tet which is the copy of Chinese New Year and 50% of their vocabulary is Chinese while the remaining has Mon Khmer origin influence, the rest of vietnam is populated by the montagnard, Lao and Hmong. vietnamese have nothing to do with Baiyue they only knew about the Baiyue people was under Dai Viet during the 13th century almost 2,000 years after Baiyue existed and they only discovered it after reading Chinese legends and folklore, before that they had no idea about it because they were mostly under the Champa, Khmer kingdoms while the north of modern day vietnam was inhabited by the modern day Tai Kadai peoples which are not vietic.
@@alexzhangdragonn3438 In ancient times, Vietnam was driven to the South by China. On the way south, Vietnamese invaded Champa (Central Vietnam) and a part of Cambodia (South Vietnam). From the beginning, the origin of the Vietnamese people had nothing to do with the Champa and Cambodian people. Therefore, those who mixed with the indigenous people would have darker skin. That is why most Vietnamese people in the North of Vietnam have lighter skin than those in the Central and South.
I am a Cantonese, I have my DNA test done & my results shows i am very Han Chinese with mixture comparable with other Han Chinese (variations percentage of Northern & southern Chinese)
Many native of south east asian came from southern china thousand year ago which spread all over archipelego in south east asia. Malayu, minangkabo ,filipina siam , champa indochina connected to southern china culturally and customs are similiar before some ethnic malay , archipelego converted into islam
If you consider Taiwan as South China, then yes. They were the starting point of the austronesian expansion all the way to Hawaii. But if you are thinking Mainland China, then no.
@@syke76 You do not understand diversity of china.. Southern china was the main ethnic for all tribes which spread all over pacific archipilego then they form new small kingdom with their head- native ..it is same like mongol consist of many sub-tribes which they spread all over central asia today
You can't really call Chinese "Han" before the Han dynasty. They are the people of the Huaxia, and the central power is Zhongguo. Also, Cantonese is absolutely a Sino-Tibetan language. Its pronunciation of words is far more similar to Han Dynasty court language than Mandarin. Mandarin has been influienced greatly from the Mongol/Manchu languages.
this is bullshit propaganda disproven by literally any academic studying the issue, guangzhou or canton in ancient times were literally swamps and forests filled with barbarians the court sends their criminals to not different from how the british used australia. Su dongpo one of the most famous chinese poet and politician in the song dynasty which was way after han and the tang dynasties famously said cantonese people looked like monkeys and spoke like birds, thats the equivalent of a country's prime minister not understanding a village. How the fuck can cantonese be the court speak?
 No, Mandarin is linguistically a late comer influenced by Manchurian and Mongolian invasions that ruled the Yuan and Qing dynasties. Cantonese evolved from Middle Chinese 中古漢語 spoken during the Tang Dynasty, which is why Tang poems such as the ones made by Li Bai rhyme way better in Cantonese than in Mandarin. Minnan dialect from Fujian province evolved from Ancient Chinese 上古漢語。Cantonese is very much like Classical Chinese. To walk in Mandarin is 走，but in Cantonese, it’s 行 (haang4). To eat in Mandaron is 吃，but in Cantonese, it’s 食 (sik6). To drink in Mandarin is 喝，but in Cantonese, it’s 飲 (yum2). Japanese went to China many times with many envoy missions, but they adopted the Tang Dynasty culture the most, so basically even Japanese kanji keep the ancient Classical Chinese words, such as 寢 for sleep, 食 for eat, 行 for walk, 飲 for drink, etc, the same as Cantonese. I am fluent in Cantonese and Mandarin, and I find Japanese onyomi pronunciations way closer to Cantonese than Mandarin, so if a Japanese wants to learn Chinese, they will have an easier time learning Cantonese than Mandarin because we share more similarities due to the fact that both evolved from Middle Chinese spoken during the Tang Dynasty 唐朝。
It's pseudo-history without any basis in historical fact. The Cantonese are the descendants of waves of migrants from the north, not of indigenous tribes.
Yea. Welcome to the real world. In the past, relatively few people could get their ideas (whether crazy or well researched) published. So there was a bias towards quality (bias but NO guarantee). Today, as you said it's easy to get your stuff out there. So the burden is definitely much more on the reader/viewer. I would opine that as a consumer of much history (and language and genetics and politics), this video is of better quality, interestingly produced and well researched (aside from one major omission of the Tang dynasty and its impact on Southern China's "prestige" factor).
I would point out that Austroasiatics really seem to not have taken too well to life on the coasts and seas for whatever reason with Vietnamese as the rare exception. I think one of the more interesting findings of modern science regarding this is that those in Lingnan (Guangdong, Guangxi, N. Vietnam) were actually originally genetically Kra-Dais and Austronesians that underwent language shifts to Vietnamese, Cantonese, etc. For example, Cantonese like many other southern Han languages exhibit a significant Kra-Dai substratum. Any scientific genetics papers on southern China current or old can verify this. Nonetheless, there's something not necessarily in the languages of these groups, but moreso in their culture, knowledge and biological DNA that allowed them to thrive and prosper on the coasts and seas.
What makes you come to that conclusion? Cambodians did quite well with the Angkor Wat civilization and only declined after invasions from This and Vietnamese. Modern Burmese and Thai people if today also have significant native Austroasiatic Mon substratum.
@@MrSchtickyrice Oh yeah forgot Cambodians. They also have some major Austronesian-Tai lineage that exceeds their Austroasiatic one genetically. This type of Austronesian-Tai genetic closeness isn't seen (for example in f3 outgroup statistics) in the "pure" Austroasiatics that are more inland such as Htin Mal, etc.
@@MrSchtickyrice Also, Cambodians aren't typically characterized as a seafaring empire, I think. They seem mostly land based at least compared to Austronesians who btw also have a claim to Funan (a precursor to the Khmer Empire and one of the first Indianized kingdoms in mainland southeast Asia if not the first).
You mentioned that Canton is located at the edge of China, but has played very important part in China history. Now I think, England is at the edge of Europe. It also has a big influence. Maybe being at the edge has an advantage.
It's pseudo-history without any basis in historical fact. The Cantonese are the descendants of waves of migrants from the north, not of indigenous tribes.
No, I am fluent in Cantonese and Mandarin. The 粵 for Cantonese was a later change of character to replace the former 越。 越 Yue as in the Bai Yue people, means 「south of the Yangtze River」. Jiangsu and Zhejiang provinces were previously called Wu Yue 吳越，as in the conflict of Wu and Yue States 吳越之戰 during the Spring-Autumn and Warring States Periods 春秋戰國時期。Fujian province right below was called Min Yue 閩越。Guangdong and northern part of Vietnam was called Nan Yue 南越（Nam Viet in Vietnamese)。The Nanyue Kingdom founded by Zhao Tuo, the Qin Dynasty general, had its capital in Guangzhou 廣州where I was born, previously known as Panyu 番禺。Rice noodles were invented at that time, when the Qin Dynasty soldiers who conquered all the way to the south missed noodles from the north, so they ground up the rice plentiful in the wet south to make rice noodles. Rice noodles 粉 is pronounced as fen in Mandarin, fun in Cantonese, and pho in Vietnamese. So pho really isn’t Vietnamese but more like Cantonese invented by the Chinese who conquered them. Zhao Tuo 趙佗 the Qin Dynasty general who founded the Nanyue Kingdom 南越古國 with the capital in Guangzhou was also the founder of the Zhao Dynasty of Vietnam, called Trieu Dynasty. Zhao Tuo (mandarin pronunciation) is pronounced as Trieu Da in Vietnamese. Vietnam just reversed the characters of Nam Viet (Nan Yue) to become Viet Nam (Yue Nan). My husband is fromZhejiang province. They still enjoy Zhejiang opera called Yue opera 越劇，the character for the Yue people, whereas my parents from Guangzhou enjoy also Yue opera (Cantonese opera) but with the new character 粵 replacing the former 越， to distinguish the two provinces. If you visit Guangzhou, you should visit the Nanyue Kingdom Mausoleum 南越王墓博物館，which was a mausoleum for the grandson of Zhao Tuo, called Zhao Mo 趙默，who succeeded his grandfather to become the second king of the Nanyue Kingdom. Sun Yat Sen is the Cantonese pronunciation. He had many names. When he traveled to Japan to seek help for his Revolution, he was given the name Nakayama Sho 中山樵、 Zhongshan Jiao in Mandarin, which is why the name Zhongshan 中山 came to be used for him. Where he was born was renamed from Cui Heng village 翠亨村 to Zhongshan city 中山市。He and the Song family, all being Christians, came to help overthrow the Qing Dynasty. Song Qingling (Soong Chingling) 宋慶齡 became Madame Sun Yat Sen, and her younger sister Song Meiling became Madame Chiang Kai Shek. Chiang Kai Shek is the Cantonese pronunciation. The Mandarin pronunciation of his name is Jiang Jie Shi 蔣介石。The Song family was all Christian, with the patriarch Charlie Soong being a Christian missionary. Incidentally, since I have also studied French, Latin and Japanese before, the word 「Canton」 is actually the French pronunciation for Cantonese pronunciation of Guangdong 廣東。 「An」 is pronounced as 「ong 「 in French, as in 「throng」, and 「on」 is pronounced as 「own」. So Canton pronounced the French way, sounds like the Cantonese pronunciation of Guangdong 廣東。 Cantonese were also the ones who went all over the world, including to Europe and USA, and all over Asia such as Japan, southeast Asia, bringing Cantonese cuisine all over the world. The railways in USA and Canada were built by the emigrating Cantonese settlers. San Francisco was nicknamed the 「Old Gold Mountains」 舊金山 due to the gold rush. Incidentally, the Manchurian hairstyle (long braid with half shaven head) forced onto the Chinese during the Manchu-ruled Qing Dynasty, is mistaken often as 「Chinese style」. The Han Chinese actually resisted this ugly Manchurian style when the Manchus first came to conquer. But they were so brutal that the Chinese either had to lose their head or they had to adopt this hairstyle. So don’t think that ugly hairstyle as 「Chinese」. It’s more like Manchurian. The Chinese dynastic styles have been adopted into the Sinospheric cultures such as Japan, Korea and Vietnam. Tang Dynasty culture is well kept in Japan, while the Ming Dynasty style is well kept in Korea.
Btw, if you get a chance, read about the history of the conflict between the Wu state 吳國 (modern Jiangsu province) and the Yue state 越國 (modern Zhejiang province). There was famous story of Sun Tzu 孫子, the famous military strategist who penned the Art of War of Sun Tzu 孫子兵法 training the concubines, and how the Yue king Goujian 越王勾踐 was defeated in the conflict between Wu and Yue, but was spared his life by the Wu king Fuchai 夫差, and Goujian remembered his humiliation and remained disciplined to take revenge by daily tasting bile laying on hay in stables 臥薪嘗膽, and eventually took revenge against the Wu state by defeating Fuchai. The story of Xi Shi 西施、 one of the four Chinese legendary beauties, who was used by King Yue Goujian to entice Wu king Fuchai, resulting in his eventual defeat, was also very famous. When I visited Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces (my husband and sister-in-law’s ancestral homes), these stories were told us by the tourist guides. Interesting, modern China was also founded by the Yue descendants. Dr. Sun Yat Sen 孫逸仙（孫中山） who overthrew the Manchu-ruled Qing Dynasty 清朝 in the Xinhai Revolution in 1911 to found the Republic of China, with the capital in Nanjing, was a Nan Yue descendant born in Cui Heng village 翠亨村 of Guangdong province. His protege generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek (Cantonese romanization for 蔣介石， pronounced as Jiang Jieshi in Mandarin), was a descendant of the Wu Yue from Zhenjiang province. The Nanman 南蠻 or southern barbarians of China (the Bai Yue people), especially from Guangdong province, were the ones who saved modern China and the ones who spread Chinese culture all over the world by immigrating all over the world (USA as during the Gold Rush and helped USA build its railroads, Southeast Asia, Japan as in bringing the Chinese lamian 拉麵 to the Chinatown in Yokohama, formerly called Chuka Soba 中華そば (Chinese noodles), and now straight called 「Japanese ramen」). Despite China closing off during the Ming Dynasty through the Qing Dynasty, the port in Guangzhou, the former Nanyue Kingdom capital, remained open throughout, which is what makes Cantonese cuisine so famous worldwide as it incorporates elements of cooking from other foreign nations.
@@Hoo88846how can you say the southern barbarians were the ones that did this and that when it's already been thousands of years of migrations and intermixing? They are not ethnically different than other Chinese
@@Ash-vv8zg Well, technically they are still living in the south. Although there are intermarriage, you cannot deny that they still refer to themselves as Cantonese. Yes, Guangzhou, my birthplace, is part of China, but we still call ourselves Cantonese. Just because you have Egyptians who have intermarried with others, but if they still live in Egypt, then yes, they are still Egyptians. We Cantonese are still called the Yue people.
I was astounded when I glanced at the like count while watching this. This is a fantastically made video! Well done!
Thank you sir!
it's a mere drop in the ocean of eyeballs.
@@soppyfrogproductions6276please do west China, east and others
@@soppyfrogproductions6276what would happen if the canton region was not under chins in the past?
I was surprised at the low number of subscr.ibers...
But then I went on the homepage and I was even more surprised to find out this was the 13th video that this channel put out and it was the 1st to be more than a couple of minutes long and with this type of content.
I'm not an expert, but due to these parameters the quality of this video is actually amazing. I wonder if they had previous experience, because this is pretty impressive.
I'm not Chinese but i love to learn about it's culture and history. Well, anything Asian I'm always very interested to learn about. I find the cultures fascinating.
This was surprisingly a good watch 👍🏼 well done
Shanghai was never historically of any importance at all, it has only become important from the mid-19th century.
I mean the Jiangnan area was a economic and cultural center of China from Song dynasty onwards, but the city of Shanghai itself and the cities that came before it probably wasn't of any special significance.
@@yidminselaks Thus the video was misleading.
That’s all of America too lol. Doesn’t matter how short the history. Only matters what’s up now
nanjing was more important back then, during the 3 kingdom period, it was known as jianye and was the capital of the wu kingdom, during the song dynasty, it was the capital of the ming before they moved it to beijing
Shanghai was under sea, chinese not mermaid.
You have done an amazing job with this informative and interesting video.
Oh wow, now I get the backstory of the sizable Hakka Cantonese population who emigrated to Jamaica hundreds of years ago and stayed..Love this and them so much, although I’m in Maui over 20 years now I’m still fascinated with various asiatic histories. I find you all so creative, funny and beautiful.
Hskkas not related to Cantonese
@@paullai1583 I stand corrected. Pardon me I’m here to learn.
NBA player Kyle Anderson has a jamaican background and his mother side was from Shenzhen Guangdong, he is now "returning" to China and play basketball in Chinese league now.
@@paullai1583the Hakka migrated to the south of China from the north
Taiwan was settled by Hokkien chinese also
You gotta love chinese history and how you can say that a province “was only incorporated 1000 years ago” and it makes perfect sense
Hakka is not Cantonese, both Hakka and Cantonese are Han Chinese or Han Chinese mixed baiyue. Cantonese language was old Han Chinese, same as Hakka but from different period of the Chinese dynasty. Mandarin is a language that heavily influence by non Chinese language when they were in power such as Mongol and Manchu language.
Thank you for clarifying. I hate people trying to say cantonese is NOT chinese. If anything, cantonese is MORE chinese than mandarin.
@@johnny5584Yeah agreed. Cantonese is so Chinese it still has the traditional writing system unlike Mandarin which abandoned Chinese characters to the point where you can no longer decipher the meaning via the radicals.
@@chingompiew1 Wrong, many Chinese characters in Cantonese are created to match their pronunciation，Taiwan uses authentic traditional Chinese
Wrong, the phonological books of the Tang Dynasty recorded four tones（切韵）, and now Cantonese has six tones，Even the basic number of tones is different
@niceboke there's no such people called "madarin", it is only the name of a dialect that based off many Chinese dialects primarily from the northern and western part of China. Mandarin was chosen to be the official dialect simply because it is easier to learn and was already in use for many parts of China at the time. Canton is not the only province that has a very different dialect. There's some kind of dialect in every province, many of them contained some elements of what you called ancient Chinese. Base on genetic makeup, all han Chinese are highly homogeneous, so you are right about Canton people being Chinese, but also the same for everyone else in China😊. Comparing Cantonese and Chinese is like comparing Californian and American, they are not on the same category.
Cantonese people are very proud of Han culture, they have made many films on this topic, they have influenced the national spirit throughout China so they were merged into China in 1997, just as they wanted. . . How wonderful! 🙂
I am not sure how this video appeared in my recommended but I love this! Such a great history lesson. My mom is Cambodian but my dad is Chinese but was raised in Cambodia… he speaks Teochew but I think it’s called Chaozhou in mandarin. I tend to speak more about my Cambodian heritage but it’s great learning about my Chinese background. GREAT video!
I recall the Chinese in Thailand, that on average tend to be the more affluent in the country I’ve been told, speak the Teochew dialect. Not sure if the Teochew Chinese were the ones to make early inroads into Malaysia, Myanmar & Indonesia, and if Teochew is the same dialect as, or closely related to, the Hokkien dialect that is employed in the ‘Singlish’ dialect?
@scottmcintire8634 Teochew is a Southern Min Language, so yes it's closely related to Hokkien (Minnan). And Hokkien was the lingua franca of Chinese traders and workers throughout Southeast Asia back in the days of western colonisation (mainly British in this case) before Cantonese was popular.
@scottmcintire8634 And yes, the Chinese in Thailand have assimilated into the local culture long before others in neighbouring countries, and the reason is really not so hard to understand. The main one is religion, they are mostly Buddhists so there are no issues, second is good government policies that made them assimilate, unlike in malaysia or indonesia, Thai people are generally more friendly/accepting and not that discriminative towards people of other races.
@@madcat97I think you mean other ethnicities, chinese and thai is both Asian（asian race）. Mostly tho , chinese with thai citizenship and in thailand since at least several or more generations mostly dont identify as chinese neither do most of ppl here who are Thai/chinese mixed （ includes anybody in my family that is either full or half chinese）. Anyways, about ethnic backround i doubt that nowadays , that most people are ‘pure, of just one ethnicity anymore. Especially not southeast asia. Migration has been gping on since generations, and southeast asia is one pf the regions on earth that is already heavily “asian mixed” （ mainly with south, southeast and east asian *mainly chinese* mixed）hence why some of us dont have just one specific appeareance.
But ingeneral , yes , southeast asia or at least most of the countries volks there are more open to mix with other people from theyr nearby countries unlike japan and korea who are still heavily homogenic. My family in thailand is mainly south chinese and thai but some also have some vietnamese lao and south asian （indian） roots.
@mxd-1990asn Yes, that's what I meant, the Chinese in Thailand have already fully assimilated into Thai culture and mixed with the locals and don't identify as "Chinese" anymore but instead as Thai. I think it's a good thing though. Although some might think they lost their original identity.
I always tell those who don't know. The world knows China because of The Cantonese! Great video.
Thank you for mentioning the Opium war. I was born in Hong Kong and we were taught that the opium war was started by India....Thank you for speaking the truth! British was the one to import opium war because British could not repay the debt from the tea trade. According to the International Laws, Hong Kong and Kowloon were not supposed to be part of British colony. That was the reason why British returned Hong Kong colony back to China in 1997. For this reason, we should respect the current integrity of the United Kingdom....Now, let Hong Kong be part of China and the people there need time to enjoy peace!
Overseas born chinese, my great grandfather ended up emigrating bc of the roaming triads extorting money. Thanks for this great coverage of the history of the Cantonese. I wish more of our family's personal history in China was passed down, but at least I can salvage a bit of info here. Cheers ❤
Cantonese should not consider themselves as Chinese.
assuming this is true
@@JimmyHandtrixxindeed 😅😅😅
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Roaming triad? My ass! Who are you trying to fool? I can guess your great grandfather is from 98-100 years ago. 2 causes of why our ancestor leaving china : Civil war or mass poverty. My great grandfather, a farmer migrated around 1930. which is the obvious messed up situation going on the nation
Interesting video , coming from a mainly thai/ chinese mixed family in thailand with few fam members who also have some vietnamese etc ethnic roots.
This video made me so proud of my Cantonese roots, awesome job man! Crazy to think that Guangdong is the most productive province of China as well.
Guangdong got to where it is today is from all the investments by the people of Hong Kong after China opened up.
@@didierduplantier8359HK is part of the canton right? Same ethnic.
@@rambutans5857你们这些华人对民族一点概念都没有
@@didierduplantier8359Hong Kong in turn got to where it is today from the influx of refugees fleeing Communists from the mainland. Notably, Shanghai bankers brought their investments and knowhow that made HK into an international center of finance.
@@MrSchtickyrice There was no Shanghai prior to 19th century. The international trading center was in Canton (十三行). After Canton trading center was burnt down during the Second Opium, merchants in Canton moved to Shanghai to jump start Shanghai. After communists took over China, they came back to their homes.
That was truly enlightening. There is very little information about Cantonese and their history online. Thank you for making this video and sharing the knowledge. Fantastic!
Thank you too!
There are some but not in English,Cantonese tribe and other Chinese minorities were part of the southeast Asian family before Han people had migrated then got mixed and civilized,that’s why we share similar tone with other languages like Vietnamese
Because they were just tribes so not much history left to be honest,and history was written by the rulers.
they dont want you to know. i'm sure this video is banned somewhere
Not very accurate.
Cantonese are also Han Chinese.
But 'China' 'Jinna' 'Cathay' 'Cathai' 'Zhing Guo' 'Han Guo' 'Tang Guo' is not one country. There is a central region that is effectively under the central government which is the emperor (imperial court). The pereferial regions are reasonable autonomous. At times, especially when the emperor is weak, some regions even do not recognise the central government. Some attempt to form their own kingdoms. Thus the so called Chinese Empire is large, but the real power is effectively welded over a smaller central region which is towards the East.
As a Cantonese myself, I feel this kind of video is trying to spread the misinformation that separates us Cantonese from Chinese identity (trying to divide the Chinese?) lmao. Here is the historical fact: Cantonese are descendants of Sinitic Chinese (Hua Xia people) mixed with Baiyue Chinese (many different tribes and ethnic groups, not one same tribe) to later form Han Chinese when the Han Empire was established. It was so powerful and golden age that we still prefer that identity (along with Tang Chinese) even now.
You sir just earned a like and subscribe. I usually never do any of those, but I like your content. Very detailed, informative, and funny. Love the Jones GOAT nod
Much appreciated, sir🤜
As an overseas Chinese and a Cantonese no less, its very interesting to finally see a westerner who knows a thing or two about China's history. Keep it up.
You should know better.
聽口音就知道是個華人，注意發音小細節。台式英語。
1984 Tiananmen Square Massacre.
That's been proven to be fake. Wittnesses from western diplomats as well as student leaders saw no massacre in the square. You have been lied to. @hirotakasugi4891
@@hirotakasugi4891 hiroshima
Thank you for the history of Canton and China. It is what it is now. History is a treasure time that we can learn from.
your pronunciation of Chinese is perfect
The Yue people are today Zhuang, Sui, Dong, Bouyei people of China. As ethnic Miao, we still call them Yue people.
lol. Some people love to ease Kra-Dai people from existence, starting with history, so they would pretend to be Yue. While Thai and Lao history trying to make themselves native to the lands they live in. I don't think Kra-Dai people were the original inhabitant of Lingnan area either since they migrated from Chu, Wu and Yue state during Spring and AUtumn and Warring States period. She people, a sub-group of Hmong-Mien people are said to be the original inhabitant of Guangdong, before the Yue people invaded and founded Minyue state there.😅
@@SuryanChandra Northern Vietnam, largely Guangxi, part of Yunnan and Guangdong were inhabited by mostly the large Zhuang Bouyei people. Today, being the number 1 largest minority in China, they mostly concentrated in Guangxi and many parts of northern Vietnam. The one Hmong-Mien remnants are the She people of Guangdong. Most of them have been largely Sinicized.
@@niamtxiv I think that Kra-Dai people came from Zhejiang and Fujian area. They should be closer to Austronesian people in Taiwan and the Philippines but then they came to assimilate the natives of Lingnan area, most likely Austro-asiatic people, especially the Zhuang that would be the largest and most widespread of Kra-Dai people.Tai people had words for rice and dry field from Austro-asiatic languages, and words for wet-rice field from Austronesian languages, probably due to them having to switch to the new rice variety and adopt dry rice technology from the natives.
The area of Northern Vietnam, especially the Red River Delta were inhabited by Austro-asiatic people, until the Dongson period (probably after Chu annexed Yue) where Kra-Dai people started to populate the area.
Yue is a bunch of multiple Tribes, dont act as if the Louyue people in Nothern Vietnam are the same Yue that get annexed by Chu.
If we truely talking Northen Vietnam then the annextion only happened way later after Qin, Zhou Tuo did it. Not the Chu.
Before that, since borders werent something anyone use to prevent every ethnics to migrate, why should the Baiyue only start migrating South after the Chu annexed Yue? make no sense.
Every Ethnics of Everytribe in ancient time are free to move everywhere before the idea of invaders appear in the area@@SuryanChandra
@@vietnamcuongthinh0711 Li people separated from the rest of Kra-Dai and came down to Lingnan area way earlier before Luoyue existed. Luoyue might have been the Li people, or maybe another group of Kra-Dai who came down to conquer them. Even Zhuang people were not united until the Chinese government decided to make up the ethnic group by lumping them all into one giant group.
As a first generation Taiwanese American who doesn't know much about our family history past 2 generations, this was a great video to watch. Thank you for the time and energy that was invested into this project. Looking forward to check out others in your library.
I sure Taiwan has its own unique history before and during its occupation by the mainland nationalists. The Chinese history is just too much.
lost your roots & heritage become a yellow banana.
没有所谓的台裔
@@rupulstilskintaiwan history is almost simillar to the chinese history. Unless if u conaider the aborigines history.
Wow as a Cantonese and Thai speaker I often wondered why there’s so many similarities between the 2 languages…. Now I know there share some common roots in the Yue!! Fantastic video filling in some gaps in my Cantonese HK history…. Loved it.
Dai people is one of the baiyue tribes..modern thais ancestors came from yunnan dai people of dali kingdom during the fall of southern song dynasty from mongols invasion into China. Zhuang people in guangxi is a member of the dai family too. Thais Dai Zhuang and many others are dialectic different under the kra dai language group. Yue cantonese absorbed some words & vocabularies from the baiyue into yue cantonese language.
Thank you so much for this. I’ve been binging a lot on Vietnamese history to try to better piece together it’s origin. Your video did a tremendous amount in building the overall puzzle piece of my understanding and expanding my knowledge and appreciation for history
This is misleading, Western propaganda that created to divide Chinese.
I am a Cantonese staying in Singapore. I have done a DNA TEST & my result shows that my Genetic is CONSISTENT with the majority of HAN CHINESE who consisted of a mixture of Northern & Southern Chinese in different Percentage - which is not very significant.
Unless you are talking about CANTONESE FROM VIETNAM, then they probably have MIXTURE OF VIETNAMESE DNA who are NOT CHINESE.
But my DNA result as a CANTONESE does not show I have DNA from the VIETNAM region
I am not a Chinese but my understanding of the mentioned history is extensive.
Besides a few glitches here and there, this was an amazingly well made video.
Keep it going, son. You’re great.
Proud of my cantonese/southern Chinese heritage. During ww2 southern regions were where most Chinese troops were recruited form because of their natural tendency to be good soldiers. Coincidentally, it was from Southern China and Cantonese region that the two major parties of modern China was created that swept across China and dominated all the rebellious warlords.
They were recruited from southern regions because the south was by and large not being occupied by the Japanese.
Nothing to be proud about. Cantonese has probly the most cuck culture and history in the world only after that of the Phillipines. Look at Hongcuck mentality compare to the rest of China. Cantonese were the first to emigrate to West enmass and Westernized but still fail for hundred of years because of subservient cuck mentality ingrained in culture. They even turn around to discriminate their own fellow Chinese while sucking western feets. I have more respect for the Chinese for their self pride and self reliance against foreign powers than any Cantoncuck.
This… is an interesting interpretation lol. The only time a major southern Chinese imperial regime had ever had success incorporating the north was the founding of the Ming Dynasty. Southern China otherwise had always been in a state oscillating between strictly defensive/self-preserving stance and outright capitulation to northern regimes. Occasional northward military campaigns did occur but if this was sports, the overall record is a losing record.
@@ZhangK71 The Southern lands were mostly undeveloped compared to the North for most of history and the regions remained largely autonomous despite being formally added to the various dynasties. The population in Southern China is also much smaller compared to the denser Northern China since that’s where most dynasties are built on. You control Northern China and you control all of China.
So it was natural for the well developed regions up north to establish as a state that incorporates the South as part of their territory.
But later in history once the Southern regions are developed, the dynamics of power and influence started shifting down south when Ming made their last stand against the Manchus while all of Northern China got conquered so easily. Southern Chinese regions have always been rebellious nonstop all the way to the Second World War. Once they finally developed into a worthy regional power of their own they immediately subjugated all of China into what is now the current regime. Both the CCP and KMT were the two entities that dominated Chinese politics since the 1900s.
@@Jake-dh9qk The demographic _and_ economic center of mass in China has been solidly in the Yangtze-delta / southeast (though, yes, granted, not the far south) since about the Tang days. This exactly proves my point: the south has had the people and the money and the food and “industries”, but it clearly did not have military supremacy.
My contention is that southern Chinese are clearly not noticeably “better fighters”, as you claim. Yes, both the Communists and Nationalists arose from the south (actually, militarily the Commies’ first bases of operations were more central China… but I’m nitpicking), but clearly this occurred well after the Ming Dynasty and more importantly after the proliferation of firearms and artillery. I have zero combat experience or prowess, but could easily kill any unarmed person with a gun-it’s not exactly impressive.
I am Hakka speaking Chinese living in the United States. I have ancestral ties to the Guang Xi area and Northern Vietnam. Thanks for the history. Learned some stuff from watching this video.
Hakka's original homeland was mainly the northern part of China. They shifted south to avoid political turmoil in various dynasties in northern regions thus derived the name Hakka which means visitor. You can google search in Chinese, and you will get a better understanding than the history of China told by a Westerner.
Hakka are migration people. They are everywhere but their origins are northern.
@@MrMannyhw From research and belief, the original hakka people came from Henan and Shanxi provinces
@@Cubs3344i think he knows that. even in english wikipedia the history is pretty much the same, there is no cross-bias between the history in both languages from official sources
The region of Canton (Guangzhou / Yue / Nanyue) has been part of China for over 2,000 years, since its annexation by the Qin Dynasty. However, the region was relatively less Sinicized than the north, until the Southern Jin to Tang Dynasties ~1,500 years ago, first due to the northern population fleeing south from the northern invasions, and then due to much increased maritime trade with southern Asia.
Edit: replaced 'developed' with 'Sinicized'. Also, an interesting fact is that Chinatowns worldwide are often called '唐人街', literally the 'street of the Tang people', because many of the earliest Chinese migrants outside of China were Cantonese due to their naval and entrepreneurial spirit, and the Cantonese referred to themselves as the 'people of the Tang Dynasty'.
Not just the cantonese, all southern Chinese are Tang people.
i believe i learned the vietnamese are also included in the same bunch, zhao tuo just one day drew a red line and said everything on this side is now nanyue aka vietnam lol or yuenan if you want to get technical. you can get by with cantonese in vietnam these days, i've been to hanoi and it was literally as if i was in canton lol
Oh yeah, no wonder we always identify as Tong Yen/Tang Ren here in the south east of Malaya too.
My ancestors fled from there during the Qin Dynasty,they didn't want to be forced labourers, they settled in Northeastern India and today we are proud of our heritage.
@thisnthat7760 are you naga?
Champa was known as Lam Yap in Cantonese language while ancient Vietnamese ancestor labeled Champa as Lam Ap around 100 B.C.
I'm from Guangzhou, Taishanese actually, and lemme tell yah my dudes of the internet...our ancestors have always been outcasts to the ruling north, always looked down upon, and outright just put off on the side, unless they needed money, troops, or something else. Even up to now, not much has changed, as most if not all the ruling politicians are northerners, which is extremely funny as it was a southerner who was responsible for starting the revolution in China from imperial and foreign rule, Doctor Sun Yat-Sen. Another funny note is that Cantonese food is the most popular Chinese cuisine around the world, and it is so because most of the first immigrants to go around the world were from Guangzhou. Hell, Dim Sum is our thing you know..but the North will ALWAYS down play Cantonese people, our history before Dynastic rule, and our humongous contribution to the foreign Chinese population, culture, and influence around the world. *shakes fists at the north* Damn northern dogs! lol
You're missing the point here. Most of Taishanese were farmers and uneducated in the old days. Long story short, many educated ones came back to China and built the country. Guangzhou has been very important to China. China will protect Guangzhou at any cost. China gave up HK for 100yrs to save Canton city when the Brits were at the gate of the Canton city. If China didn't sign the treaty, the Brits would blast Canton city to the ground. Nowadays, Chinese can move and live anywhere in the country. One day, Taishanese will hold offices in the capital in the future.
Mao was a southerner from Hunan. Most of the founding fathers of the Chinese Revolution are southerners, including Marshal Ye Jianying (Yip), a Hakka from Guangdong.
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Of all the Yue clans. The kinh people (current Viet-Namese) fought with great loss to keep our independent.
But your people had a bad reputation abroad, why? Like in the US early days？
An unforgettable history of Cantonese 👍🏿
When I did martial arts in my 20's, I studied choy li fut, which is the system that anti-Qing Yuet militants used in combat against Imperial forces. This video puts that period of Chinese history nicely into perspective, great video about a pivotal but underrated cradle of civilization.
Virtually all Chinese martial arts schools had anti Qing roots and by virtue were secret societies.
Nei Ho, Si Hing, I, too, studied Choi Lei Fut with Grand Master Lei Kwoon Hung and traveled to Guang Dong where I met and married a woman of the old Tang family, and lived in Bai Yun, Guangzhou. There is constant discovery of ancient sites and artifacts of the Nan Yue, and if you should have the fortune to visit, there is the Tomb of the Nan Yue king and the 'Disneyworld' he built for the entertainment of his herd of pet Turtles near the center of the old Town. All preserved and open to the public. The Cantonese are a remarkable, enduring statement to humanity, and there is more throughout the Provence like Fo Shan and the ancient caves and shrine of the Sky King, an important site to CLF practioners where you can see if your chi will make the water dance. Fook y Wan, Si Hing!
No you misunderstand it.
Herevwe are talking about the first dynasty of China, Qin 秦，
You are talking about the last dynasty of China Qing 清
Thank you for telling this stories on TH-cam!
Hey, this has been my favorite History video I’ve seen about this particular subject, so I was very surprised to see that this is in fact your first long-form video. You did a great job, would love to see more from you, but take your time because however long it took you to make this was clearly worth it. 🎉
Thanks for the support friend! Really appreciate the kind words. More to come🙏🙏🙏
It's pseudo-history without any basis in historical fact. The Cantonese are the descendants of waves of migrants from the north, not of indigenous tribes.
This video is chefs kiss🤌🏽 Bravo
Fantastic video. I know a lot of history and watch videos like this for mindless entertainment or to refresh my memory, but generally turn them off after 5 minutes.. This is the first time I felt really absorbed into a video like this. Really good presentation... From start to finish it's entertaining and has great pacing. you have a good sense of humor without becoming overly silly, and solid information is presented concisely yet thoroughly. A lot struggle with this.. either information is bloated, or too sparse. You have a talent for this, subbed!
Thank you very much🥹
Interesting and informative video but I have issues with your chart. Note that the Wu-Min and Chu languages are non-Chinese origin languages but were basically Sinicized languages belonging to the non-Chinese groups related to the Bai Yueh tribes (Wu, Min and Chu peoples). Many of them were Austronesian or Austro Asiatic peoples, not Han people (Sino-Tibetan/Tibeto-Burman). You are in effect saying that Cantonese and Mandarin are the 'direct descendants' of the original Chinese language. What happened to the Shang-Zhou language's descendants? There is a missing link here.
the old chinese poem sound much smooth in cantonese than in mandarin. the word and phase in it still using in our daily dialog
Cantonese IS the first language of China. After the five barbarian tribes invaded north China and ate the people up there, the refugees that managed to get away set up their new base in Jianye (Mo Ling, same city Sun Quan and Zhou Yu ruled from). From Jian Ye, you had access to Jiaozhi which is where Hong Kong is today. It is thanks to Sun Quan’s forces in 200 AD that southern China was ready to live in and operate as though in Luo Yang.
Interesting, studying history is always the first step to understanding where and how things got to were they are today, like studying someone past to know who they are today, the past always affects the future….
Great video, love to see positive videos about the Cantonese people. Vietnam and Laos were classified as yue peoples by the chinese. The zhuang also have kept their identity as yue people too. I speak as someone from roots from northern Vietnam, guangxi, and guangdong, I appreciate the coverage. We are business savvy and pragmatic rather than dogmatic. Also culturally conservative and uptight
I only recently learned that Vietnam (越南) is basically the same word as the 200BC Nanyue (南越） kingdom in Canton. Fascinating.
@@rffg781seriously? Lol. That's actually in our history book. One of our original names was Nam Viet.
@@churrothiev8387 we are definitely NOT taught that in the Guangdong area..... :)
Why dont you use lao people at those land those lao root relate each other.. clearly untill in thailand myanmar india too.
How up and how tight?😂
A side note: It is widely assumed Baiyue was Austro-Asiatic because the shared name/character of yue/viet/越/粵. This is a bit stretched because, as the video put it, it is just an exonymous cover term by the Chinese.
Many substratum words in Southern Sinitic languages are found to be Tai. And the only phonetic record of Baiyue language in 越人歌 (Song of Yue) have been demonstrated to be Old Tai. So although it is undeniable that proto-Viet people consisted part of Baiyue, clearly proto-Tai people were also part of it.
The reference to the 越人歌:
Zhengzhang. 1991. Decipherment of Yue-Ren-Ge (Song of the Yue boatman)
You are right. Old Tai is definately part of Baiyue. The logic of assuming Baiyue was Austro-Asiatic is quite lame, like: Vietnam is viet > viet is a part of Baiyue > Vietnamese is Austroasiatic > Baiyue is Austroasiatic.....
Baiyue is a general for many ethnic tribes, Austro-Asiatic were never in Guangdong (Tai) but Vietnam's Red River Delta, aka Dong Song civilization. This content creator is propagating Vietnamese nationalist narrative.
I always know we Chinese have proto Tai blood 🩸 south have more
Baiyue probably spoke proto-Tai, not strictly Tai. But it is also possible that they spoke other languages belonging to Austroneasian and Austroasiatic too, as genetic clues left by current Chinese populations in the South.
I'm not from the UK so this video is the first time I've seen boris Johnson offering tea and I keep forgetting that is actually how he talks anytime I see comedians impersonating him
The Cantonese language is still known today in Chinese as 粵语, the Yuet language. Even car plates in Guangzhou has the word 粵 on them.
It is because the Province of Gwong Tung has a short name of 粵。
Thank you for your informative video, I'm part Cantonese and we just traveled to Vietnam, no wonder the language similarities are stark.
I am vietnamese,I learn Cantonese in 1 years instead of learning English for 30 years but still have trouble in speaking English.
vietnamese are a made up ethnicity, the "kinh" are primarily ethnically Khmer like alot of their culture is Khmer too like the black pajama farmer clothing what they call "Khăn rằn" is a copy of the Khmer "Krama", while they are culturally influenced by China through China's domination like their holidays Tet which is the copy of Chinese New Year and 50% of their vocabulary is Chinese while the remaining has Mon Khmer origin influence, the rest of vietnam is populated by the montagnard, Lao and Hmong. vietnamese have nothing to do with Baiyue they only knew about the Baiyue people was under Dai Viet during the 13th century almost 2,000 years after Baiyue existed and they only discovered it after reading Chinese legends and folklore, before that they had no idea about it because they were mostly under the Champa, Khmer kingdoms while the north of modern day vietnam was inhabited by the modern day Tai Kadai peoples which are not vietic.
@@alexzhangdragonn3438
In ancient times, Vietnam was driven to the South by China. On the way south, Vietnamese invaded Champa (Central Vietnam) and a part of Cambodia (South Vietnam). From the beginning, the origin of the Vietnamese people had nothing to do with the Champa and Cambodian people. Therefore, those who mixed with the indigenous people would have darker skin. That is why most Vietnamese people in the North of Vietnam have lighter skin than those in the Central and South.
Vietnamese has no Khmer root at all. Vietnamese is considered invader to Khmer people. It’s very insulting to Khmer people when you give a completely wrong information like that.
Originally, Vietnamese race is got nothing to do with Khmer, Champa and Chinese race. Of course nobody could stop them to marry each other when they live in the same country.
As a matter fact, China did beat up next door and much weaker country like Vietnam brutally for thousand years of slavery and massacre.
If France had not colonized Vietnam at that time, Vietnam could have been enslaved by China much longer. When the West conquered Asia, China would no longer be the ruler and would have fallen into the status of being ruled like Vietnam at that time . That is why China hates the West very much up until now.
Because of the West, China lost its upper hand.
Imagine if France and the West had never been in Asia, what would be the fate of Vietnam today? >>>
Of course, writing Chinese characters and speaking Chinese.
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Just lucky for Vietnam and for me too >> since I do not want to learn Chinese characters at all. 🤪
@@SunnyLongNguyen nobody cares
@@SunnyLongNguyen người miền trung và người miền nam không lai tạp với người champa nhé , vẫn là kinh di cư từ thời nguyễn , nếu cho bạn lấy dân tộc thiểu số khác văn hoad bạn có chịu không , miền trung nắng nhiều hơn mưa , chó ăn sỏi gà ăn đá thì nước da bị cháy nắng nhiều , miền nam lại là thời tiết nhiệt đới , thả người miền bắc vào sống miền nam 1 thời gian xem , sẽ không có sự khác biệt về da vẻ , người miền nam và trung ra bắc sống thì cũng sẽ trắng thôi
Awesome documentary! It's great to learn more about my Cantonese heritage and history!
An valuable gem of Chinese history ! ... 👍
If a British actor like Russell Crowe can play in a movie to celebrate the glory of the Roman Empire. Then the Cantonese can do the same. "People should know when they are conqureed"- Gladiator
Cantonese don't give a shit about roman
he's Australian
so a white man can play malcom X ?
Fantastic. I have been vaguely aware that the Han "took over" the south, but this really makes it clear what happened.
Thank you!
@@soppyfrogproductions6276more on this please
It's pseudo-history without any basis in historical fact. The Cantonese are the descendants of waves of migrants from the north, not of indigenous tribes.
@@soppyfrogproductions6276或许你不知道现在的南方汉人只有极少数原住民，绝大多数南方汉人都是从北方迁徙而来的
This is as good as anything done by 'regular' TV! Good job!
Love your work. Laughed over but impressed with your effort in narrating in English with a Cantonese accent and another with an English accent! Well done 😂😅❤🎉❤
Cheers from the USA 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Thank you, this is very important to us Cantonese, although we may not be the ordinary Canton Tribe
most Chinese are not Chinese before they were conquered and assimilated to Chinese culture😅，including northern Chinese，my hometown was called huai yi 淮夷 huai barbarian 3000yrs ago even though it's in central china.😅 Shan dong山东 was called 东夷 east barbarian maybe 4000yrs ago even though it was Confucius' hometown.😅
China is just another India，with a common "language"and writing system，just like Latin American counties
It is also the region's proximity to HK why it prospered.
My family is from Guangdong. Thank you for the history lesson.
This is misleading, Western propaganda that created to divide Chinese.
I am a Cantonese staying in Singapore. I have done a DNA TEST & my result shows that my Genetic is CONSISTENT with the majority of HAN CHINESE who consisted of a mixture of Northern & Southern Chinese in different Percentage - which is not very significant.
My DNA result also does not show I have DNA from the VIETNAM region
Not very accurate.
I am an active Hakka. I speak Hakka since birth. I understand only some Cantonese, Mandarin and Hokkien. I am a very active Hakka. I eat Hakka food. I mix with Hakkas. I frequent Hakka shops. I frequent Hakka restaurants. I frequent Hakka areas. So I am reasonably verse in Chinese affairs and the Chinese mind. I am also very aware of a very bad and negative section of Chinese who we term 'zou gou' or 'runaway dog'. The history China is full of them. But that is another topic. ......
This is a pretty good video. But I am not sure why the author skipped over the Tang's period history, which was the first time a Cantonese became the Chinese prime minister (Zhang Jiuling). The maritime Silk Road also started there. And the first imperial highway (16 ft wide) was finally constructed to connect Canton area with China Proper.
Probably wasn’t a funny enough moment in history
@@JoseFarfan😂
who is to say he didn't made this sheet up?
He compared the boxers to Nazis, what do u expect? He is driving a certain narrative
@@brainwashington1332 mother trucker is re-writing history. US, UK, Japan, Taiwan are doing that.
A Cantonese here that accidentially stumbled upon this video, well done, much better than expected! Subscribed!
same here bud .. am 4th gen diaspora .. English spkg/my vestigial Cantonese embarrassing. The vid explains somewhat my (previously unexplainable) disdain 4 the Nthn Han & Mandarins
Yay, a video on Cantonese heritage!
Baiyue were Kra-Dai speaking people not Austroasiatic.Today the largest non-Han minority groups in China are Zhuang{Tai speaking people).
Theo nghiên cứu thì bị đồng hoá về ngôn ngữ
Great video
Chinatown in nyc was mostly cantonese for a long time. Not sure now.
well, NYC has 3-4 Chinatowns now. Flushing was settled in the 70s by a lot of Taiwanese. They tended to be educated and wealthier (lawyers, engineers, etc). Sunset park in Brooklyn is the other big one, a lot of the mainlanders from the 90s and on went there. Chinatown in NYC still has Cantonese people but nowadays more.. white people because everyone wants to live in Manhattan which is very expensive.
@@grilledflatbread4692 flushing was settled by everybody. Personally, im from kissena blvd and im indian. My school was basically the UN. I am almost certain we had at least 1 student from every region on earth.
@@grilledflatbread4692 on the same block, you could get cantonese dumplings, taiwanese hotpot, korean bbq, japanese sushi, szechuan stir fry, vietnamese pho, thai pad thai, indonesian satays, and a hotdog from sabrito.
Great job .. so much info it needs a 2nd watch
Great video. This has similarities with ancient Indian history too. Though it is proved by genetics and archeaology that almost all people in Indian subcontinent are blood related. That is 65% of us are a mix of people from Sintastha Culture (From Russia - Ukraine & Kazhaksthan Steppes) & Indus Valley Civilization.(Mix Of Zagrosian Iranian Hunters & Ancient Ancestral South Indians) Plus we have BMAC blood too. North Easterners have more Sino Tibetan blood. Both Northerners and Southerners have small amounts of Sino Tibetan and Ancient North Siberian DNA too. (Only 5 % - 10%)
During the Mahajanapadha period, people living below south of Vindhya ranges (except Asmaka which was situated on Eastern Maharashtra and Telengana) east of Magadha, west of Gandhara and north of Kapilavasthu and Kashmeera kingdoms were called Mlechchas. (uncouth, filthy barbarians, no refined culture, not civilzed enough to fit on the standards of Aryavartha.)
Funny thing is that all the ancient Southern and Eastern kingdoms like Chola, Chera, Pandyas, Ays, Mushikas, Kodava, Nasika, Sinhala, Kalinga, Telenga, Andhra, Satavahana, Vanga, Pragjyothishpura kingdoms were established by royal clans from Aryavartha. They become Mlecha kingdoms because they didnot bring Brahmins to purify the lands and mixed heavily with locals violating endogamy rules as prescribed by Laws Of Manu. Brahmins began to migrate to these places only when Emperor Ashoka of Magadha made Buddhism a compulsory religion. These terrorist Buddhist monks began to forcibly convert people in mass. Brahmins got harassed too. Last phase of Sangam period (100 B.C) witnessed migration of Poorva Shikha Brahmins in Pandyan Kingdom. Apara Shikha Brahmins came along with Pallavas to destroy Kalabras and Chalukyas for good. We came to Tamilnadu in 7th century A.D. Pallavas worked under Satavahanas of Asmaka kingdom. They spoke Sanskrit and Maharashtri Prakrit in their early ruling lands. After making Kancheepuram as their capital they began to use Tamil as their official language. Brahmin dominance in South Indian administration, judiciary, land holdings, arts, music and drama were on a full swing diring Pallava and Medieval Chola Period. Maritime relations between South East Asia and South India opened new doors of opportunity to spread Hinduism and Buddhism. Pallavas were the first rulers in South India to built amazing temple structures. They introduced Pallava Grantha script still used in Tamilnadu and SE Asian countries like Laos, Thailand, Cambodia and Indonesia.
Today we cannot imagine a prosperous India or China without modern cities which fall mostly on south of the country. Once mlecha lands now billion dollar making mega cities which account for 40% of wealth. Eg: Mumbai, Pune, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Kolkata, Vizag, Chennai, Kochi, Hongkong, Shanghai, Macau, Guanzhou etc. 👍
Great information. Thank you
For a summarised recap of history Thumbs Up thousands of years in a few minutes Well done. I'm sure that I'm disturbed by aspects of reality but whoever said swallowing disorder was easy.
Me can say that Han word for love is identical to Turkiye for Mother I truly wonder how much more
This was beautifully done! I am not Chinese but I did live in China, Japan and Taiwan and have a fondness for SE Asia. I knew this history from school but the details of the Yue culture was definitely explained here. Keep making more bro. China is awesome!
Before there were “Cantonese” what are the Guangdong/ Cantonese people? Who are the people live there? Let’s go back to Qin Dynasties and Han Dynasties. What does the people in Guangdong / Cantonese speak? Is not Cantonese. It’s a Yue language. Of course there are multiple Yue Tribes from Fujian to Northern Vietnam. These Yue majority of start moving South until they stop in Northern Vietnam and bacame Vietnamese today. Then Vietnam expand further South and took over Champa and part of Khmer empire. Vietnam is the last stand for the Yue people and tribes. Vietnamese are the ancient language of all Yue people including ancient Cantonese and Teochow and other Baiyue people. Today Cantonese is a mixture of Han Chinese and ancient Cantonese(Yue). Mandarin a modern language with Han Chinese and a mixture of Northerners from the Mongol and more influence from Manchuria.
Tang Dynasties have a mixture of Mongol tribes but Tang Dynasties are the golden agar of Chinese empire and Vietnam was part of it from Qin Dynasties through the Tang Dynasties. Also shortly part of the Ming Dynasties. The Ming Dynasties are the worst to Vietnamese because it’s took thousands of years of Vietnam/Baiyue history and artifacts. It erase Vietnam and want to sinicize the Yue/Viet last frontier but after 20+ yeara the viet able to break free and independent.
@@johngtranVietnam is a Chinese province more than 1000 years old, Vietnamese culture derives from Chinese culture 👌
如果再去中国，我可以陪你一起去探索。I think China has more and more opportunities.
Chinese is not an ethnicity glad you show this
Wdym Chinese isn't an ethnicity? Han Chinese is absolutely an ethnic group.
@@MrAnthero7 There are 56 Chinese ethnicities. Han is one of them.
@@sudonim7552😅😅😅😅
@@sudonim7552 those 56 ethnic have Han blood due to centuries of assimilation.
White race has no history. Or maybe only Barbaric history , glad you know it.
Fun fact about zhao tuo the martial king of nan Yue is that he was the most long lived emperor in Chinese history to an age of 103.
This was so good that made me proud of where i came from
Wow! This video is packed with history, dates, names, color commentary and dope-isms. 👲🏻 👏👏👏🤝 Well done sir! Reeeespect for the effort and time that must have gone into this! Instant subscribe and like! We love it!
Your comment is very much appreciated🙏🙏🙏
Man! You are so knowledgeable on China’s history. I am a US citizen today. But I think my history and my ancestor’s history may fall into the timeline somewhere on how we eluded the Han Chinese into South East Asia. Primarily Northern Vietnam and Laos. Then eventually to the US.
Thank you for educating us.
As a long student of China, I found this video very informative and well put together. It even included info that I had not learned much about during my BA in Asian Studies, especially the gradual siniciation of the Yue area, and the connection between Yue and Vietnam (although I noticed that the people and language in Hainan seem very much like Vietnamese). One minor point of contention, on the other hand, is the attempt to equate the "Chinese brother of Jesus" with Hitler. Trying to raise a revolt against the harsh and long hated foreign rulers of China bears no similarity with Hitler's anti-Semitism, concentration camps, and scape goatism combined with smoke and mirror distraction.
there is many common words in the vocabulary of Cantonese and Vietnamese. However, Viet language has a different grammar structure. Moreover, unlike Korean, Japanese or Thai which use the same numbering words from China, Viet has different numbering words that not related to any language in the world
Language of indigenous in Hainan is Kra-dai family language.
Lol leave it up to a foreign animal like you to think Chinese are christians😂
I am a Hongkonger and I am quite shocked when I found this video. Thank you so much to spend so much effort and thank you so much for having interest in our tribe. It is true that we were called South barbarian in the past as you mentioned. We love foul language wholeheatedly 😂. It is very interesting that you include that old woman speech. She spoke foul language in the Legislation council while making her testimony. She was cursing someone cold-hearted to the elderly 😂. I want to point out that 咩 in no way to express surprise. In fact it is equivalent to "what". When we say 咩事， that means what's the matter". When we say 咩鬼（ghost), that means "what's up". But it is true that 咩 represents that noise made by the goats. I love this video, let me say thank you again.
I think the actual honkongers are the Han colonizers, not the natives....
@@nathan_408 it is actually a mix
Mixed for two thousand years and then called themselves hongkonger
@@User-357dgjkitdvkkoohgj some hkers think they are special. but actually not. He are just citizens of Hk, China. Mostly Cantonese Han Chinese.
I got into watching ancestry testing reactions for awhile. I've seen several Cantonese people disappointed to discover that they have SE Asian DNA. It baffles me because isn't that a large part of what gives Cantonese culture their distinctive flavor?
因为我们不喜欢东南亚猴子，我们是汉族，父系血统是汉人😅
having more han original dna is more prestigious than having some % of se asians dna.
@@achtungbaby2009 your comment says much about you wanting to be superior, prestigious... Unfortunately, real history is in your way of feeling as such therefore you want to white-washing thousands years of history to feed your ego, to mend your glassheart.
Look at Hong Kong’s ppl’s faces. They look nothing like northerners. They look like Vietnamese lol
@@achtungbaby2009
😂 Little Pink talking 😂
Holy cow! Excellent video man, really brilliant!
Baiyue were not all Austro-asiatic speakers, the southern ones yes, northern ones are mostly Kra-Dai speakers, one of their descendants are the northern Tai people called Zhuang in Guangxi.
viets will love to claim all yue as viets.
I only speak a little Cantonese and know very little history. This video was very educational and entertaining.
It's pseudo-history without any basis in historical fact. The Cantonese are the descendants of waves of migrants from the north, not of indigenous tribes.
Well done with some quirks.
I hardly watch videos about history, BUT, this video is so comprehensive and interesting that attracts me to watch from the beginning to the very end. You told me so much than what I learn myself, and I am a Cantonese. Thank you for your research and hard work.
If you choose to believe any of these, please do some fact check from libraries ...
Lol at the British accent part, well done
I knew all the facts you presented, but now I see them differently because of this video. History makes more sense now.
Very interesting to get insight on the Cantonese people because my grandfather was from there.
This was such a great video. I had no idea Canton had such an impact.
It's China's intention to eliminate ethnic cultures in these regions to create unity throughout china. Kids these days in guangzhou dont even speak cantonese anymore unless taught by the parents. In school they are only taught mandarin.
In Guangzhou also many old cultural buildings are getting demolished. In the next few generations the cantonese culture will be no more
Thank you for covering this, from a Cantonese!
Canton is not only the homeland for the Cantonese (Yue) but also the Hakka (客家) people, and Teochew/Teoswa (潮州/潮汕）
I am joyful to have descended from this province, currently living in Singapore. I am from the Teoswa clan, and I am happy that this region and its people are getting recognition!
I'm pretty sure Teochew has origins from Southern Min (闽南) - which would be in modern day Fujian. It shares a lot of similarities to 闽南话
@@Munkihokkien and dejiew have always sounded similar to me
you are wrong, Canton isn't the homeland for the Hakka people, Hakka people typically migrate from northern provinces to the southern part of China during various dynasties when the northern part of China was in political turmoil thus the name 客家 (visitor) derive from there.
Gaginang 😊❤
@@hingzai6689 ji gei yan/ga gi nang doesn’t promote hatred and war. Channel isn’t ga gi nang.
very very well done and accurate
I learned all about this from playing the Furious Wild expansion for Total War Three Kingdoms.
As someone who has studied history and have lived in Chengdu, China, I have to say even after just 5 minutes in, this is an excellent and well researched video!
Before there were “Cantonese” what are the Guangdong/ Cantonese people? Who are the people live there? Let’s go back to Qin Dynasties and Han Dynasties. What does the people in Guangdong / Cantonese speak? Is not Cantonese. It’s a Yue language. Of course there are multiple Yue Tribes from Fujian to Northern Vietnam. These Yue majority of start moving South until they stop in Northern Vietnam and bacame Vietnamese today. Then Vietnam expand further South and took over Champa and part of Khmer empire. Vietnam is the last stand for the Yue people and tribes. Vietnamese are the ancient language of all Yue people including ancient Cantonese and Teochow and other Baiyue people. Today Cantonese is a mixture of Han Chinese and ancient Cantonese(Yue). Mandarin a modern language with Han Chinese and a mixture of Northerners from the Mongol and more influence from Manchuria.
Tang Dynasties have a mixture of Mongol tribes but Tang Dynasties are the golden agar of Chinese empire and Vietnam was part of it from Qin Dynasties through the Tang Dynasties. Also shortly part of the Ming Dynasties. The Ming Dynasties are the worst to Vietnamese because it’s took thousands of years of Vietnam/Baiyue history and artifacts. It erase Vietnam and want to sinicize the Yue/Viet last frontier but after 20+ yeara the viet able to break free and independent.
Love Cantonese from Vietnam (Ou Yue and Luo Yue)
While they hate you the most and find you disgusting
vietnamese are a made up ethnicity, the "kinh" are primarily ethnically Khmer like alot of their culture is Khmer too like the black pajama farmer clothing what they call "Khăn rằn" is a copy of the Khmer "Krama", while they are culturally influenced by China through China's domination like their holidays Tet which is the copy of Chinese New Year and 50% of their vocabulary is Chinese while the remaining has Mon Khmer origin influence, the rest of vietnam is populated by the montagnard, Lao and Hmong. vietnamese have nothing to do with Baiyue they only knew about the Baiyue people was under Dai Viet during the 13th century almost 2,000 years after Baiyue existed and they only discovered it after reading Chinese legends and folklore, before that they had no idea about it because they were mostly under the Champa, Khmer kingdoms while the north of modern day vietnam was inhabited by the modern day Tai Kadai peoples which are not vietic.
vietnamese are a made up ethnicity, the "kinh" are primarily ethnically Khmer like alot of their culture is Khmer too like the black pajama farmer clothing what they call "Khăn rằn" is a copy of the Khmer "Krama", while they are culturally influenced by China through China's domination like their holidays Tet which is the copy of Chinese New Year and 50% of their vocabulary is Chinese while the remaining has Mon Khmer origin influence, the rest of vietnam is populated by the montagnard, Lao and Hmong. vietnamese have nothing to do with Baiyue they only knew about the Baiyue people was under Dai Viet during the 13th century almost 2,000 years after Baiyue existed and they only discovered it after reading Chinese legends and folklore, before that they had no idea about it because they were mostly under the Champa, Khmer kingdoms while the north of modern day vietnam was inhabited by the modern day Tai Kadai peoples which are not vietic.
@@alexzhangdragonn3438 In ancient times, Vietnam was driven to the South by China. On the way south, Vietnamese invaded Champa (Central Vietnam) and a part of Cambodia (South Vietnam). From the beginning, the origin of the Vietnamese people had nothing to do with the Champa and Cambodian people. Therefore, those who mixed with the indigenous people would have darker skin. That is why most Vietnamese people in the North of Vietnam have lighter skin than those in the Central and South.
@@alexzhangdragonn3438 Are you Chinese living in Vietnam? If you don't know anything about Vietnamese history, don't talk nonsense!
Thank you for making this video.
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I am a Cantonese, I have my DNA test done & my results shows i am very Han Chinese with mixture comparable with other Han Chinese (variations percentage of Northern & southern Chinese)
Thank you for the amazing history no one knows about
Many native of south east asian came from southern china thousand year ago which spread all over archipelego in south east asia.
Malayu, minangkabo ,filipina siam , champa indochina connected to southern china culturally and customs are similiar before some ethnic malay , archipelego converted into islam
If you consider Taiwan as South China, then yes. They were the starting point of the austronesian expansion all the way to Hawaii. But if you are thinking Mainland China, then no.
@@syke76
You do not understand diversity of china..
Southern china was the main ethnic for all tribes which spread all over pacific archipilego then they form new small kingdom with their head- native ..it is same like mongol consist of many sub-tribes which they spread all over central asia today
@@shashajoe10 there is scientific data on this. Maybe do some research.
You can't really call Chinese "Han" before the Han dynasty. They are the people of the Huaxia, and the central power is Zhongguo. Also, Cantonese is absolutely a Sino-Tibetan language. Its pronunciation of words is far more similar to Han Dynasty court language than Mandarin. Mandarin has been influienced greatly from the Mongol/Manchu languages.
I read somewhere that Cantonese is actually what ancient Chinese sounded more like compared with Mandarin
this is bullshit propaganda disproven by literally any academic studying the issue, guangzhou or canton in ancient times were literally swamps and forests filled with barbarians the court sends their criminals to not different from how the british used australia. Su dongpo one of the most famous chinese poet and politician in the song dynasty which was way after han and the tang dynasties famously said cantonese people looked like monkeys and spoke like birds, thats the equivalent of a country's prime minister not understanding a village. How the fuck can cantonese be the court speak?
to say Mandarin has been "greatly influenced" by the Mongol/Manchu languages is an understatement. IT IS the descendant of Mongol/Manchu language.
Mandarin was directly decendant from middle Chinese. Cantonese was not the first.
 No, Mandarin is linguistically a late comer influenced by Manchurian and Mongolian invasions that ruled the Yuan and Qing dynasties. Cantonese evolved from Middle Chinese 中古漢語 spoken during the Tang Dynasty, which is why Tang poems such as the ones made by Li Bai rhyme way better in Cantonese than in Mandarin. Minnan dialect from Fujian province evolved from Ancient Chinese 上古漢語。Cantonese is very much like Classical Chinese. To walk in Mandarin is 走，but in Cantonese, it’s 行 (haang4). To eat in Mandaron is 吃，but in Cantonese, it’s 食 (sik6). To drink in Mandarin is 喝，but in Cantonese, it’s 飲 (yum2). Japanese went to China many times with many envoy missions, but they adopted the Tang Dynasty culture the most, so basically even Japanese kanji keep the ancient Classical Chinese words, such as 寢 for sleep, 食 for eat, 行 for walk, 飲 for drink, etc, the same as Cantonese. I am fluent in Cantonese and Mandarin, and I find Japanese onyomi pronunciations way closer to Cantonese than Mandarin, so if a Japanese wants to learn Chinese, they will have an easier time learning Cantonese than Mandarin because we share more similarities due to the fact that both evolved from Middle Chinese spoken during the Tang Dynasty 唐朝。
The goat part just killed me....Great video!
The problem with youtube is that everyone will make a different video and you don't who is giving reliable information.
Social Media Platforms are the tool of the US to distort the world history to their advantage.
True.
It's pseudo-history without any basis in historical fact. The Cantonese are the descendants of waves of migrants from the north, not of indigenous tribes.
Yea. Welcome to the real world. In the past, relatively few people could get their ideas (whether crazy or well researched) published. So there was a bias towards quality (bias but NO guarantee). Today, as you said it's easy to get your stuff out there. So the burden is definitely much more on the reader/viewer. I would opine that as a consumer of much history (and language and genetics and politics), this video is of better quality, interestingly produced and well researched (aside from one major omission of the Tang dynasty and its impact on Southern China's "prestige" factor).
I would point out that Austroasiatics really seem to not have taken too well to life on the coasts and seas for whatever reason with Vietnamese as the rare exception. I think one of the more interesting findings of modern science regarding this is that those in Lingnan (Guangdong, Guangxi, N. Vietnam) were actually originally genetically Kra-Dais and Austronesians that underwent language shifts to Vietnamese, Cantonese, etc. For example, Cantonese like many other southern Han languages exhibit a significant Kra-Dai substratum. Any scientific genetics papers on southern China current or old can verify this. Nonetheless, there's something not necessarily in the languages of these groups, but moreso in their culture, knowledge and biological DNA that allowed them to thrive and prosper on the coasts and seas.
What makes you come to that conclusion? Cambodians did quite well with the Angkor Wat civilization and only declined after invasions from This and Vietnamese. Modern Burmese and Thai people if today also have significant native Austroasiatic Mon substratum.
@@MrSchtickyrice Oh yeah forgot Cambodians. They also have some major Austronesian-Tai lineage that exceeds their Austroasiatic one genetically. This type of Austronesian-Tai genetic closeness isn't seen (for example in f3 outgroup statistics) in the "pure" Austroasiatics that are more inland such as Htin Mal, etc.
@@MrSchtickyrice Also, Cambodians aren't typically characterized as a seafaring empire, I think. They seem mostly land based at least compared to Austronesians who btw also have a claim to Funan (a precursor to the Khmer Empire and one of the first Indianized kingdoms in mainland southeast Asia if not the first).
Good video about Vietnamese ancient territory.
You mentioned that Canton is located at the edge of China, but has played very important part in China history. Now I think, England is at the edge of Europe. It also has a big influence. Maybe being at the edge has an advantage.
You made this whole history video fun to watch! Keep up the good work!
It's pseudo-history without any basis in historical fact. The Cantonese are the descendants of waves of migrants from the north, not of indigenous tribes.
Astute & prescient historical analysis!
No, I am fluent in Cantonese and Mandarin. The 粵 for Cantonese was a later change of character to replace the former 越。 越 Yue as in the Bai Yue people, means 「south of the Yangtze River」. Jiangsu and Zhejiang provinces were previously called Wu Yue 吳越，as in the conflict of Wu and Yue States 吳越之戰 during the Spring-Autumn and Warring States Periods 春秋戰國時期。Fujian province right below was called Min Yue 閩越。Guangdong and northern part of Vietnam was called Nan Yue 南越（Nam Viet in Vietnamese)。The Nanyue Kingdom founded by Zhao Tuo, the Qin Dynasty general, had its capital in Guangzhou 廣州where I was born, previously known as Panyu 番禺。Rice noodles were invented at that time, when the Qin Dynasty soldiers who conquered all the way to the south missed noodles from the north, so they ground up the rice plentiful in the wet south to make rice noodles. Rice noodles 粉 is pronounced as fen in Mandarin, fun in Cantonese, and pho in Vietnamese. So pho really isn’t Vietnamese but more like Cantonese invented by the Chinese who conquered them. Zhao Tuo 趙佗 the Qin Dynasty general who founded the Nanyue Kingdom 南越古國 with the capital in Guangzhou was also the founder of the Zhao Dynasty of Vietnam, called Trieu Dynasty. Zhao Tuo (mandarin pronunciation) is pronounced as Trieu Da in Vietnamese. Vietnam just reversed the characters of Nam Viet (Nan Yue) to become Viet Nam (Yue Nan). My husband is fromZhejiang province. They still enjoy Zhejiang opera called Yue opera 越劇，the character for the Yue people, whereas my parents from Guangzhou enjoy also Yue opera (Cantonese opera) but with the new character 粵 replacing the former 越， to distinguish the two provinces. If you visit Guangzhou, you should visit the Nanyue Kingdom Mausoleum 南越王墓博物館，which was a mausoleum for the grandson of Zhao Tuo, called Zhao Mo 趙默，who succeeded his grandfather to become the second king of the Nanyue Kingdom.
Sun Yat Sen is the Cantonese pronunciation. He had many names. When he traveled to Japan to seek help for his Revolution, he was given the name Nakayama Sho 中山樵、 Zhongshan Jiao in Mandarin, which is why the name Zhongshan 中山 came to be used for him. Where he was born was renamed from Cui Heng village 翠亨村 to Zhongshan city 中山市。He and the Song family, all being Christians, came to help overthrow the Qing Dynasty. Song Qingling (Soong Chingling) 宋慶齡 became Madame Sun Yat Sen, and her younger sister Song Meiling became Madame Chiang Kai Shek. Chiang Kai Shek is the Cantonese pronunciation. The Mandarin pronunciation of his name is Jiang Jie Shi 蔣介石。The Song family was all Christian, with the patriarch Charlie Soong being a Christian missionary.
Incidentally, since I have also studied French, Latin and Japanese before, the word 「Canton」 is actually the French pronunciation for Cantonese pronunciation of Guangdong 廣東。 「An」 is pronounced as 「ong 「 in French, as in 「throng」, and 「on」 is pronounced as 「own」. So Canton pronounced the French way, sounds like the Cantonese pronunciation of Guangdong 廣東。 Cantonese were also the ones who went all over the world, including to Europe and USA, and all over Asia such as Japan, southeast Asia, bringing Cantonese cuisine all over the world. The railways in USA and Canada were built by the emigrating Cantonese settlers. San Francisco was nicknamed the 「Old Gold Mountains」 舊金山 due to the gold rush. Incidentally, the Manchurian hairstyle (long braid with half shaven head) forced onto the Chinese during the Manchu-ruled Qing Dynasty, is mistaken often as 「Chinese style」. The Han Chinese actually resisted this ugly Manchurian style when the Manchus first came to conquer. But they were so brutal that the Chinese either had to lose their head or they had to adopt this hairstyle. So don’t think that ugly hairstyle as 「Chinese」. It’s more like Manchurian. The Chinese dynastic styles have been adopted into the Sinospheric cultures such as Japan, Korea and Vietnam. Tang Dynasty culture is well kept in Japan, while the Ming Dynasty style is well kept in Korea.
Btw, if you get a chance, read about the history of the conflict between the Wu state 吳國 (modern Jiangsu province) and the Yue state 越國 (modern Zhejiang province). There was famous story of Sun Tzu 孫子, the famous military strategist who penned the Art of War of Sun Tzu 孫子兵法 training the concubines, and how the Yue king Goujian 越王勾踐 was defeated in the conflict between Wu and Yue, but was spared his life by the Wu king Fuchai 夫差, and Goujian remembered his humiliation and remained disciplined to take revenge by daily tasting bile laying on hay in stables 臥薪嘗膽, and eventually took revenge against the Wu state by defeating Fuchai. The story of Xi Shi 西施、 one of the four Chinese legendary beauties, who was used by King Yue Goujian to entice Wu king Fuchai, resulting in his eventual defeat, was also very famous. When I visited Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces (my husband and sister-in-law’s ancestral homes), these stories were told us by the tourist guides. Interesting, modern China was also founded by the Yue descendants. Dr. Sun Yat Sen 孫逸仙（孫中山） who overthrew the Manchu-ruled Qing Dynasty 清朝 in the Xinhai Revolution in 1911 to found the Republic of China, with the capital in Nanjing, was a Nan Yue descendant born in Cui Heng village 翠亨村 of Guangdong province. His protege generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek (Cantonese romanization for 蔣介石， pronounced as Jiang Jieshi in Mandarin), was a descendant of the Wu Yue from Zhenjiang province. The Nanman 南蠻 or southern barbarians of China (the Bai Yue people), especially from Guangdong province, were the ones who saved modern China and the ones who spread Chinese culture all over the world by immigrating all over the world (USA as during the Gold Rush and helped USA build its railroads, Southeast Asia, Japan as in bringing the Chinese lamian 拉麵 to the Chinatown in Yokohama, formerly called Chuka Soba 中華そば (Chinese noodles), and now straight called 「Japanese ramen」). Despite China closing off during the Ming Dynasty through the Qing Dynasty, the port in Guangzhou, the former Nanyue Kingdom capital, remained open throughout, which is what makes Cantonese cuisine so famous worldwide as it incorporates elements of cooking from other foreign nations.
Dude, the comments section is not for essays.
@@mjokffsgfjs where’s your freedom of speech? Who tells you comment sections cannot post long informative posts?
@@Hoo88846how can you say the southern barbarians were the ones that did this and that when it's already been thousands of years of migrations and intermixing? They are not ethnically different than other Chinese
@@Ash-vv8zg Well, technically they are still living in the south. Although there are intermarriage, you cannot deny that they still refer to themselves as Cantonese. Yes, Guangzhou, my birthplace, is part of China, but we still call ourselves Cantonese. Just because you have Egyptians who have intermarried with others, but if they still live in Egypt, then yes, they are still Egyptians. We Cantonese are still called the Yue people.