How Should We Remember Pervez Musharraf? For Kargil or Coming Closest to Resolving Kashmir?
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Was Pervez Musharraf a man of contradictions? A military dictator who twice imposed a state of emergency but also permitted a free press and readily accepted tough interviews? A moderate Muslim who allegedly enjoyed a glass of whisky but also said he was the biggest supporter of the militant LET? The architect of Kargil as Army Chief but also the President who came closer than ever before to a solution of the Kashmir issue? A usurper who’s bloodless coup was popularly welcomed but who then transformed into a despised president who was forced to resign to avoid impeachment? Get the answers from the Editor-in-chief of The Friday Times and the former caretaker chief minister of Pakistan’s Punjab province, Najam Sethi. - บันเทิง
Excellent episode. Good discussion between two veterans of the subcontinent
One of them is definitely corrupt like Sharif
Excellent articulation by Najam Sethi ! Balanced, Great Summary of an era and very professional !
“Risk-taker, bold” are polite words to describe a reckless character who risked lives of his own men to chase ‘a place in history’, then changing tack in hopes of ‘a Nobel Peace Prize’. Ended up as a pitiful figure. Citizens deserve better.
Musharraf opened up the media space in Pakistan because he saw that the Indian media had helped nationalism/patriotism to surge during the Kargil War.
That’s totally incorrect. He did not need an independent media to achieve such an aim. In fact This aim would have been much easier to achieve with a state controlled media. So It was not done out of some imitation of India. He did it as he was a liberal and he hoped that by appeasing and engaging the media in this manner that they would remain on his side and help prolong his rule
he might have been a decent man in an indecent job.
@@wkhan5 musharraf the liberal? didnt he open some 50,000 madrassahs in sindh, which general bajwa talked about as a permanent liability
@@abhi739 eh no he did not. He attempted to make sure that madrassas were being legally registered and not running without authorization.
@@wkhan5 weird. wasnt the qadri tujey salam movement rising right then, which eventually led to the tlp guys,
Informed or not informed
Our CHILDREN'S DIED
IT IS UNFORGETTABLE AND UNFORGIVABLE 🙏🙏🙏
Super interview. Thapar interviewing Sethi, can't have a better show.
Couldn't agree more, two brilliant analytical journalists unafraid to ask the tough questions and stand their ground. A dying breed for sure.
Being a kid of 00’s I vividly remember the decade of Musharraf
Me too
Great conversation. Both very senior journalists. This is true journalism. Even though both the journalists are from enemy countries, see the respect they display for each other and speak the truth
Najam sethi Saab will be happy to see Karan in Cricketers sweater...
Absolutely fascinating interview and discussion ❤️
Discussion was about your brother musharraf. It has to be interesting you know. Your blood and Dna is spoiled
@@ravijeeverma876 OK! What ever 😊
@@mohsinafzaal7159 are u a pakistani or you are pakistani living in India on kafir tax money ?
@@ravijeeverma876 I am a human being living on this earth - Love is my religion and every heart is my temple 🙏
@@mohsinafzaal7159 just shut up you pakistani lover .
Sold out journalism can't be better than this Guy
Good subject. Appreciated.
This interview is more properly the exemplification of what impartial journalism should be. Finally an interview that indeed is a cornerstone of journalistic ethics from the sub-continent, in the past it has always been jingoism, sabre-rattling and incendiary reporting to appease the patriotic masses of both sides. The arguments presented from both venerable journalists were unbiased, balanced, objective, open-minded, avoiding favouring one side over another. The choice of words from the lexicon was impeccable as well. I commend the efforts of ‘The Wire’, Mr Karan Thappar and Mr Najam Sethi to have abided by the highest standards of ethical journalism while presenting their arguments. Media outlets from India , Pakistan and the world should learn such standards this discussion had to offer. It was indeed a breath of fresh air. Touche!
Wonderful interview... Questions were sharp and the answers were brilliant and honest. Thanks Gentlemen!!
Mr Najaf Sethi is very candid and forthcoming.He didn’t mince words in criticising the government and military establishment.Hatts off to you 😊
Amazing conversation between two knowledgeable and highly respectable figures. Free, frank and so lively.
To be remembered as the General who sent in his soldiers to fight India and then refused to take back their dead bodies. Cowardly behaviour.
He truly deserved the Death Sentence given by the Pakistani Supreme Court
The majority of Pakistani generals are cowards and duplicitous. Supporting the US and hiding Osama
What a wonderful interview by Karan with Najam!! This is the stuff our 'sickular' journalism is made of!!
Absolutely, irrelevance is the theme.
Ya Allah Sab Ko Hidayat Dey Ham Sab Ko Bhy Ameen Sumah Ameen
Delightful and unusual interview. Najam Sethi comes across as a very interesting person. A person who is very much in the know of things. Being Ali Sethi's father makes him even more likeable. It shows that people from both sides of the subcontinent are lost twins separated "at birth". It's a tragedy that the line was drawn thru the subcontinent especially thru the Punjab.
Hope things change in our lifetime and cordial relations and travel is restored.
*Not only Punjab, but many many many pashtoon are till today separated from their cosines, tribes, villages. The saddest tragedy is that they used Pashtoon against PAshtoons and created enmity in them.
Mush is one like many generals who carried Kashmir in his heart.Like all generals he thought whatever he did was good for Pakistan!!!! . Whisky is tonic for pakistani generals ! Had they not been over drinking Pakistani foreign policy would have been a lot realistic!
Musharraf, A hero or a villain ?
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Since the inception, whole Pakistan has been in state of "PASOORI", as rightly sang on the same topic by Nazam Sethi's son Ali Sethi. General Musharaff was not an exception.
some people say we're same,,,,but we aren't..... India is an ancient civilization with colorful culture and rich heritage,,,,,, and they are just islamic zombies who are pretending to be Arabs Turk or Punjabi.... they are Just an extension of Punjab,, apart from Punjab and Muslims,,,,rest 90% india have no religious, cultural connection with Pak...
Even today, India has a great status in world forums and it's there on every important fields top rankings,,,,, and they are failed state,
Najam*
But other points r correct.
Kargil war was not caused by Pak. It was caused by Indian army failing to protect its land. They allowed hundreds of Kms to be taken by Pak without firing a shot so they, sensibly, took it. Smart move that almost succeeded.
For this, at least 5 generals of India should have been sacked but alas!
There are certain sins that are unpardonable!! Kargil was one such sin by Musharraf! Whether Thapar or Congressis forgive him, god never will and neither will the families of all those who lost their lives defending the icy heights of our beloved nation! Jai Hind!
Yet God will forgive Modi who murdered Civilians or Rajiv Gandhi whose goons openly murdered Sikhs in 1984.
Musharraf was still a soldier of an enemy country....he was fighting a war not killing unarmed civilians.
Those Jawans you speak of were prepared for War
I don’t think Congressis or Thapar have forgiven Pakistan for Kargil…. Merely, Thapar Interviewing!
As for Congress- they fought 3 wars with Pakistan, winning every time….that doesn’t look soft on Pakistan.
@Critic224 like you won in 1947 ? That's why you lost 30% of Kashmir ?
Like you won in 1965 where you failed to take Lahore ? Or like you won in Kargil where you were unable to take the heights until Pakistani soldiers fell back due to International pressure
Yes because he made india neal down in kargil
@Tanwir Zafar we are hostile states brother. Your government has done nothing to break the status quo, hence we are always at war. Both parties cannot trust each other and so it shall remain.
Many PARENTS LOST THERE CHILDREN IN KARGIL WAR
WHICH WAS THRUSTED UPON US 🙏
thank you for very good wire interview by both of you
Thank you Karan Thaper for this interview. Even Shady Sahib was mostly on the sound ground.
Mr sethi is impressive speaker
Sir, it's always a great pleasure listening to Najam Sethi Sir.
No mention of Lal masjid? Probably the single most important even in Musharraf’s tenure. You need to up your game Karan.
A very fascinating interview.
Incredible
Bhutto's suggestion to Ayub was in mid sixties unlike Musharraf's suggestion to Nawaz Sharif was made in 1999, that proved that Nawaz Sharif agreed to it without giving it a due rethink.
Resolving kashmir? A man who had to run away from his country solving another? Funny.
Yes politicians don't remain powerful all the time. Look at Lal Krishna Advani, from being power Home minister n deputy prime minister to a no body.
@Doctor Mafia Even assuming he had resolved what if the following Head of govt and military consider the treaty is against their country's interest?
@@sm9214 sure but he was a military dictator. He was head of military as well as govt.
@Doctor Mafia suppose the next chief says the former chief's commitments who ran away won't be implemented?
@Doctor Mafia Muslims themselves fought against our CAA.
It implies that they aren't safe in Muslim countries themselves.
Then why surrender our Muslim brethren to Pak?
Now I wonder whether Karan has any sense at all left not to pose this Incisive Question.
Great intervie! Thanks Karan!
Hi Karan, Disappointed with the questions you asked......Should have asked how Musharraf used to eat mangoes - with a knife or choos ke? Did he keep a batua? Woh thakte kyoon nahin thay? Did he use to take some tonic? We have become accustomed to those kinds of questions!
Are u a pakistani
He cant afford every1 cheerfully telling him dosti bani rahe.
Indians should listen to this very very carefully.
INDIANS never actually took back Kargil, it was Pakistani soldiers who retreated due to the PM's pressure.
Mr Khurshid Mahmood Kasuri was one of the best FM s of Pakistan. Kiran Thapar should read his book on relationship with India. Najam Sethi should read Mr KM Kasuri s book.
Najam Sethi is an international level scholar
How are these "tough times" exactly ? Is it because you no longer get to drive diplomats to Prime Minister's house ?
Hi Karan, many thanks for bringing Najam! He will bat well on any sticky wicket!
Very Candid Interview
Great Karan & his program as always!
I don't known but the wounds inflected by him on indian will never be forgiven so it might sound harsh but no sympathy for him from India
Very nice
Excellent Interview.
Fugitive who escaped DEATH PENALTY
is being shown as Martyr
Inko inhi ka Mubarak 😀😀😀😀
Owesome
Such a wonderful orator Sethi is
Let's beg money in the name of support.
Gen Musharraf was the best administrator that Pakistan had after partition. Being born in Delhi might have been an issue.
His family, esp his mother was a cultured educated urdu speaking lady from Delhi. This was a common trait in all pre partition families, esp, ladies who grew up in India where they thrived and grew upon a multicultural society and thus contributed to early Pakistan. Subsequent years the illiterates and chavinistic religious hordes took over along with the army. Decline began
Inadvertent black humour on the part of Karan Thapar, wearing a cricket sweater(or which looks like one) given the India - Pak Asia Cup imbroglio,of which Najam Sethi happens to be part of in his capacity as the head of the PCB.
As a pawn...as a politician in a power game.
"All are rascals"
The last years of the Millennium were tough on India be it the Hijackking or Kargil
💯
"False consciousness." If only a Muslim knew that he was born with no conscience. A conscience that is related to intelligence in a Darwinian sense. An outstanding show!
Kashmir has already been resolved mr. Thapar, only pok has left
Exactly, Galwan is part of China now.
Indians should learn from this interview.
Musharraf was ALWAYS sincere in creating a good relationship with India !
Sure he did Kargil but Pakistan then was a hostile nation and he was a soldier.
We should remember Musharraf as love child of Wire and darling of your chief editor who has nothing else to talk but her community.
Hamare Loktantrik Desh Bharat mein Sanvidhan ke Anusar Loktantra aur Loktantrik Moolyon ki Raksha Honee Chahiye.---- AJAM, Buxar, Bihar.
Aur teri mughaliya musalmina ammi khala behen betiyan ki halala chudai teri 6 saala chudakad Ammi randi hazrat Ayesha Zainab Fatima ki fati chutallah aur ghazi haji namazi gaandallah ki tarah keval Sanjay aur Dubey se naahi balki mere 🍆 ho Akbar se doggy style namaz me 5 Baar hoone chahiye ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool ajam 😂😂😂
Najam Sethi very well described the tenure of General Musharraf. well done Mr. Sethi
Raheel Sharif was not one to plead with Nawaz Sharif ref Musharraf! He must have ordered Nawaz Sharif to do the necessary! Najam Sethi is a big fan of Nawaz Sharifs Ofcourse he will do his best always to make him look good 😊
It takes two to tango and both Mr Thapar and Mr Sethu are in their elements while discussing Mr Musharraf ...a fascinating person who has impacted and shaped our times
An excellent interview by 2 doyens of their journalistic professions
"coming close to resolving Kashmir" ... That's a great joke.
He was nothing more than a third rate general who got beating in Himalayan hights, and left his soldiers to die as he or his rogue terror sponsoring country did not want to take responsibility of their actions.
Wonder Why INDIA even engaged in ANY way with Musharraf knowing How Musharraf wanted to harm INDIA 🇮🇳 ALWAYS 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰
Un Judgeon Key Larkiuon Ko Qayamat Tak Chodien Jin Hon Ney Musharaf Sahab Ko Mot Key Saza Sunaay They
Karan sir you are really asset for journalism,same is najam.
Thapar is wonderful and only one. Can you read the comments Mr. Thapar?
Pakistani economy in 1999 was 65 billion dollars. Under Musharraf, it more than doubled in size, with debt to GDP reducing from 65 percent to 25 percent. So, even if the Americans gave 25 billion dollars, how on earth did it achieve these results? Sethi's maths does not work. The fact is, even before 9/11, Paks main economic indicators were improving. Then after 9/11, as sanctions eased and Pak was able to reschedule it's loans, genuine economic policies resulted in the boosting of Pak economy. Sethi offers gross disinformation.
Best is
That Such people are never remembered
By remembering naach people we give credence to their ill deeds
Just forget them
Mr.Karan, with respect Mr. Sethi has never spoken the truth, whenever he gets an opportunity to gain anything, he is the first to become friends with whoever is in "charge". Nothing personal against him, but a man not to be trusted at all.
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Certain person no need to remember because those were harmed the society
The closest India and Pakistan were just before Kargil war when Vajpayee went to Pakistan. Musharraf broke what was to be a new beginning.
General Musharraf will always be remembered for the great things he did.
Pls identify are you a Paki or Indian
Musharaf was a great leader. Perhaps at par with jinnah. He should be honored at least posthumously now.
isnt it the conflict of interest? he is current PCB chair,how can he give you an interview.
Where dissent is virtually
Anti National.
It's a facade of democracy..
Call it Elected Autocracy
Partial Democracy
It's the time to change them, jockers can't be brought to tables
Karan why don’t you do an episode on “ How should we remember Gen. PN Thapar the general responsible for 1962 debacle. Gather some courage.
Kargil Vijay diwas 🙏🙏🙏
Hamid predicted contempt of court of PM in my opinion he is totally wrong because of 2 facts 1-SC decision is only short order they have not issurd detailed orde 2-They ordered ECP to ho;d the elections not the PN
Can someone enlighten us as to what became the stumbling block in signing the Agra Summit of 2001
islam
@22:30 But then same voices (pre Kargil) understandably all over Pak TV from the Satta (Ruling Party) - rile up for Kashmir just from this weekend?
Brilliant interview with deep reaserach and bunch of knowledge, both of these gentlemen are full of respect , gratitude and compassion with good analysis and interpretation. Loved to watch the conversation, no hue and cry, simply the standards of journalism with excellence and quality...
Musharaf always listene to rational voices
Karan sir ye Pakistani log bahut hi akalmand hai
Aab Musharraf ko PAKISTANE AZAM BANAYENGE 😀😀😀😀😀😀
Pervez Musharraf was yet another 3rd world leader in a long line of leaders whose mind was shaped by colonial educators to see their own people and culture as subhuman, to see the themselves as the exceptional savior that will forcefully reforge their own society in the image of the great white father.
An despite all of his successes, the result was a country and society more dysfunctional than ever before.
History will not be kind to Musharraf, and he knew it. He turned his back on his country, his religion, his supporters, his Army, all for 15 minutes of accolades from the west. That is why he never returned.
Being a country's leader is hard. You can not reforge existing societies to idealized systems of governance. This is not the mitary where you break down a persons id to reforge it into a automaton. COAS are simply not up to the task of leading Nations.
Sir
Should interview Adanis cfo
Why would anyone remember a dictator crook? Even pakistanis may not want to
He shud b remembered as bagodey gernail who imposed Marshall law became dictator and imposed war of kargil on 1000s of NLI jawans who has no return plan for them..
"He left a complicated legacy full of contradictions" sums up both Musharraf and every Pakistani head of state in the nation's history. (Except Benazir because she wasn't a "he"!)
2 Gentlemen News Journalist, No Shouting. Wish all Indian Pakistanis follow them on how to do journalism.
Karab thapar is a jewel in journalism in india but I wish you had more like him. Pakistan does have many like him though. Can we say sane for arnab goswami and many alike shouting and raising hysterua, sensationalise and gingoism.?
Don't get me wrong, Pakistan too has a few bad journalists but Indian media has greater share of yellow journalists.
Interesting interview, but I ha e a point to guest, why he said pak army was ready to withdraw in Kargil which is not a fact if it is then give ua a proof ( at least it was not in media)
Second pak never accepted that the intruders are regular army men, pqk said they r Mujahideen and they don't have control, which proves my first point.
Just ridiculous to even discuss this. These things are why wire has a bad rep. Why the hell should we remember him?
Musharraf was a greatest leader Pakistan had produced
General Musharraf was a hero!!!!
He created great relationship with India...not sure why Indians forget that.
If he was so bad why did the BJP welcome him so much ? Were they stupid ?
SoB, had blood of so many Indians during Kargil. I wanted to go after him every time I saw him on Fox beating t he drum for War-on-Terror tune back then for Jr-Darth Vader era
Very fine and nice interview between two wise and matured personalities of the two friendly cum enemy countries politically.