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- Genji is one of the strongest flankers in Overwatch. In this video I give some tips and pointers to a Diamond player on how to utilize his role effectively.
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I definitely agree with the main point of the video of not focusing tanks as Genji and healers are definitely the #1 priority - but I also find that tanks are great for farming ult too.
Especially Roadhog & Rein who are easy to hit and because Genji's ult can be fairly easier to get than others, getting ult for the first team fight can be really beneficial (while the backhand argument is damaging ranks causes healers to get their support ults)...awesome vid and I hope it helps fellow Genji mains out there!
This video is so much better than unit losts. You watch the gameplay before making the video and analyze the players weaknesses. Really cool!
ρυηρυη Yeah all Unit Lost does is focus on positioning. Skyline focuses on macro and micro gameplay.
And, here's a nutty concept, Sky often logs into game and sets up mock scenarios to illustrate his points. It's almost like... he's really putting effort into critiquing and helping players that watch his video!
tbh Stylosa does not give the best advice in overwatch. Hes a good player otherwise he wouldnt be in GM but his general advice he gives in his videos are either poor or aimed at people a lot lower level than the demographic skyline is aiming at.
Someone else who is really good for vod reviews if you dont mind them being a bit longer is One Amongst Many. doesnt upload often but is very smart and gives great advice.
Skyline is probably the best out there for advice though followed by overatch dojo and OAM
ρυηρυη -- Unit lost doesn't really know a lot about strategy, he's just using Overwatch as his way to make content and money.
Liofa If he didnt know anything about strategy, he wouldnt be a grand master player
He isnt on the same levels as pros, i will give most people that.
Hell, some diamond and master players play better then him.
But he is an okay player.
He just
A. Suck with critiquing.
B. Gives meh to bad advice for heroes he doesnt play much.
As a low master genji main, I can say this tutorial is REALLY informative for diamond players! GJ Skyline
WEi I play on my all account for dps, and I must say, people are oblivious to genjis and tracers flanking. Like people in plat only focus on what's in front of them.
As a Grandmaster Genji main. I agree,, this tutorial is SUPER informative, even for a lot of master Genji's. I do feel however that in a tutorial like this a bit more character mechanics explanation could have been done in the beginning or as a bonus.
For example: As Genji with ult, you often use the Slash/Dash combo, This player could have used this in his last ult aswell, would have been a helpfull tip in my humble opinion. Same goes for, when to use left or right mouse button & last but not least, canceling animations (IE: Wall climbing will sheating the sword).
Once again, good video however, keep it up!
Wow, you reviewed this much faster than I anticipated!
Thanks for the tips, I figured Target Priority was a huge point.
There are some things that, I guess just don't cross my mind. I've only just recently started playing Genji in competitive even though he's my most played hero, simply because I don't feel I can make as big an impact with him as I could on, say, soldier, in that kind of setting. I've always just stuck with my team, probably stems from playing a majority of Comp with Lucio. Thank you again! Hopefully after a few more games I can iron out these issues and really play my role correctly.
Hey there Aresaka, I've been commenting some Genji "tips" and I feel like they might be helpfull for you aswell so coppied my posts for you
Tip for you: At the start of the video when you were behind the enemy, DO NOT poke the enemy tanks (as Skyline mentioned) if you're in a good flanking position, dont let the enemy know where you are by poking them with neglectable damage. Try to *sneak* behind the enemy supports and go for that instant kill on them! (Right mouse to the face and dash).
Tips specifically for (THE OTHER GUY) (even though I havent seen you play): Go for resets on the supports as stated in this video, wait for the right oppertunity and go in for a quick kill and get out. Focus firing on Genji is VERY important as is on every DPS but untill you're ready to pounce on that support focus the hero's your team are focussing.
As a Grandmaster Genji main. I agree,, this tutorial is SUPER informative, even for a lot of master Genji's. I do feel however that in a tutorial like this a bit more character mechanics explanation could have been done in the beginning or as a bonus.
For example: As Genji with ult, you often use the Slash/Dash combo, This player could have used this in his last ult aswell, would have been a helpfull tip in my humble opinion. Same goes for, when to use left or right mouse button & last but not least, canceling animations (IE: Wall climbing will sheating the sword).
Once again, good video however, keep it up!
Another thing for you my man, when you dash up for a dragonblade, kinda try to take a breath, and actually look at where your enemies are, and stay calm and focus. i am guilty of often dashing up, getting stressed and just dash towards someone and forgetting where the rest are, and die.
Yeah this is something I've been trying to fix personally. It seems like as soon as I dash in with Dragonblade I lose all game sense. It's not as bad as it used to be, but can be much improved. I'll try slowing down and taking a breath, thank you :D
Heres a single tip for dragon blades, when you get a strike with a dragon blade, dash to cancel the animation, then strike again, that's 290 damage happening quicker than 240, you'll get way better blades especially when you can just strike/ dash sub 170 health enemies
No Zenyatta's were harmed in the making of this video
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you were so close to 10 minutes sky! go for that extra revenue my man no problem
I'll take this as divine permission
to bad you had to sell your dog :( could have filled those last 25 seconds with ducky cam
Do it Sky, you're the best. Also, I miss the old song, but understand you probably wanted to play something different.
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eucoliptus Yeah Ikt you're the best sky! Keep up the good work!
Great video, very informative!
One minor point: I'm not a big fan of the white transition screen. It's too bright after the normally quite dark ingame footage for me and it lacks a certain... I don't know... professional look, I guess. I think transition animations are a good idea, but this one needs some improvements. Like just the blue semi-transparent Skyline logo without the white background and a more fancy background instead. Like a blurry version of the new footage, or some stock video footage 3D animation with your logo on top, or maybe you or a some fan can come up with a really cool looking custom animation.
Just a "fade to black" -> "black to the new footage" animation would work as well in my opinion, but if you want to use a fancy transition animation, it should also look really professional because it draws attention to itself more than an unobtrusive "here comes a new scene" fade to black or similar quick transition.
Aquatic Hamster I appreciate the work he put into the logo but just transitioning by splitting the video diagonally like the logo would work way better imo
This video helped me a lot figuring out how to play Genji effectively. I had a nice Ana kill using your exact advice of going under Winston towards the support. Worked great!
want to find a stream of genji flanking to learn, then found this gem. Thanks!
I really wanted to see an ult guide for genji. I know the basics like slash swing and swing at an angle to maximize the hitbox, dash resetting etc. I see players slashing through wrecking everyone while I get caught in awkward places swinging and not hitting anyone and eventually dying.
I disagree completely with 1:45 re. ignoring the Winston. At that moment the Winston had to be focussed otherwise he would have killed the supports or at least Ana. the genji did 58% of damage and helped greatly in killing the Winston and thus saving the supports. Genji can do a ton a burst damage to Winston close up something many commentators ignore.
Despite what Skyline said ignoring the Winston is the WRONG thing to do in that situation. Otherwise good analysis lol
I'm the Winston in the vid for sky's practice dummy hi mom!!!
**SPOILER** Hey Sky, will you be reviewing the S2 Apex Final ? If so I'd be curious about what adjustments you noticed from Lunatic Hai to come back against Runaway.
Yes, in fact I have the first map's review uploading already!
Awesome looking forward to watching! Big fan of your work
My body is ready
Oh Skyline I remember in one video you said TheWarOwl was your senpai, now everytime I hear you say "our hero" it definitely reminds me of him!
I'm a Genji main whos playing in gold and I had much problems in knowing how to position in the game. But I think I learned something and I hope It'll help me in future. Thank you for this video. I really appreciate it.👍🏻
Loving the new transition from clips
Yo sender of this clip, you know there are hotkeys for Ult and such. For MY ULT IS READY, press Z. Like don't do 7:01 in a fight.
Also pro tip, (maybe idk i like it) is that I have my Option wheel bound to my mouse side button instead of c or v or whatever it is normally. I also put my Push to talk on there as well. Easier than other buttons for me.
Oh my. As a genji main, you have literally just fixed all of my problems. Wow
I like the transition.
At 7:25 the 1v1 against the genji, 2 things 1) Genji is a projectile type hero, so tracing him 100% all the time will most likely be misses and 2) Even if you where a hitscan hero, when 1v1 a tracer or a genji its beter to prediction shot/aim where they gonna be instead of aiming at them where they are now (this is more from my personal experience if you're a trace god so be it)
I advice to drill pre-aiming in your default skill set since it will help a lot with this issue, after you master this you dont have to think much about it and all you have to do is mostly flicks which is (what some people say, which I disagree) just muscle memory
Flicks are muscle memory, not even room for disagreement on that.
Skyline, could you give a bit of advice for aiming drills with Genji?
A tip that my t500 friend told me is: if you can, swift strike through their team. It gets you a lot ult. Only use it when you know you will get a kill or an easy escape
While everything you say is true, in the context of what he's doing I question whether it's applicable.
For example, the opening where he shoots the Winston and Dva: he's not actually "focusing" tanks in that instance. He's shooting for ult charge, because there is no squishy in his immediate location.
Second, when he shoots the Winston, you tell him he should go for enemy supports who are unprotected. But who will protect his own supports? His Ana nades the Winston and by punishing his solo leap they quickly polish him off.
In short, I don't disagree with what you say, but I don't think it's very applicable to this vlod. But I am not a high ranked player myself. I do have a lot of experience on the character and watching the decision making of pro players.
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Really enjoy your videos man!
Wow thanks so much for pointing out that you should be dashing downward to get closer to your target i was very confused as to what i was doing wrong with that
Two things I think you need to make aware in this video is dont always be looking to dive into their backline as genji. You touched on it when talking about the winston diving in and that being his chance to go after the back line (I also feel like he was actually playing well going after the winston at this point. The winston had dived his supports and got anti healed. So if the whole team focusing the winston would go down quick and he was saving his supports) .
As you get higher in ranks as genji its all about picking fights. FInd some high ground that lets you constantly re-position and spam tanks for a fast blade get some shots at supports and wait for an opportunity to dive into the back and ruin their day. If you constantly just go straight for a dive in the backline from the get go it wont work. If they have 2 healers and a dps shielding them most of the time youre gonna have a bad time.
Pick fights you know your skill can win or sometimes pick fights that you know you will survive for a while maybe not getting picks but annoy the hell out of that ana and solder/mcree whatever so they are not helping in the team fight letting your team 5v4 the enemy you then escape.
I would agree with your first sentence, but in the case shown the Winston had dived into their entire team, all by himself. Genji doesnt do much damage to armor or tanks anyway, so he didn't need to contribute to the Winston kill - his team had it handled. While that Winston left ALL his supports, they were basically easy pickings for a Genji who, at the very least, could single-handedly keep both supports tied up for days, during which time they aren't healing their team. It's a heat-of-the-moment decision (and one I prolly would mess up more often than not myself), but it's one he should focus on making second nature. Just my two cents though.
to be fair he did get 58 fire for the kill so he dealt a significant amount of damage to the winston
Fair enough. I wouldn't feel comfortable relying on that unfortunately.
loving the transitions
Hey I really like heroes with high skill ceilings so I want to become a good genji as well. Videos like this definetely help a lot, Thank you!
I feel like I am this genji, even though I don't feel like that has always been the case. I've just regressed so much as Genji, probably because the tank meta was so bad, and I just haven't put the time on him since. thank you for this.
Nice analysis, thanks!
Where can I send links if I would like my gameplay reviewed? I'm a mid masters support player aiming for GM next season, so I would love to get some feedback from you on my gameplay.
IDK if you still read comments. Just wanted to let you know that this video really helped me a lot as a new overwatch 2 player.
Really made me realize the mistakes I make.
was waiting so long for this lol
Lol I try to get behind people all the time on Genji, but I suck so hard I can't hit anyone from there and eventually the whole enemy team notices me and I go down.
Good to know about the dash techniques and target prioritization though.
Woah the comments so positive this channel is great
Really enjoyed the video!
what is that song at the end, it isn't JJD Adventure BTW
Yeah good work on the video sky! But, I would like to ask if u could do a video like this but on tracer. I can maybe send u in a video I just don't know where to :/
0:40 cool animation!
Do one on pharah, really curious what you have to say about that :)
Most difficult thing about playing Genji in my experience is aiming his finicky projectiles. Any advice for aiming with him?
Peter Horton thanks
Go in the practice range and try to get only head shots on the moving targets. It helps you get an approximate sense of how much lead you need for a given distance.
Really like how you used “we” instead of “he”. Feels more personal.
can i focus tanks when convenient as tracer, considering they die pretty quick?
That poor Zenyatta, how could you! He was just casually walking by....floating by!
JJ Yi RIP :(
Love these!
If you dash while standing, look at the ground. You will stop at the exact point you are looking at.
Awesome video!
honestly im gonna have to disagree with you on the part where u say not to focus tanks. Not to say that you should always be shooting tanks, but they are a good source of ult charge. Also on the part where winston dived his healers, I think that it was right to try to peel for his healers instead of attacking the enemy ones. idk, maybe its just playstyle differences
You didn't talk about him wasting deflect and using it too late
This helps much! 👍
His dashes could use some work. He could have easily dashed to reset his dash and then dashed out at times.
What rank are u skyline?
T500 season 1 and 3, currently idling around at ~4200
Skyline any tips to get out of 3800ish?
You need to be more consistent if you have problems getting into gm. Always do warm up games before playing, don't play if you are so tilted that you blame everyone for when you make a mistake. And as always, stay positive.
I always advocate voice communicate because it can balance out some of your own and your teammates mistakes/weaknesses but there are people who do not communicate.
I am gm in eu, I main support and flex as tank (rein zarya) or dps (soldier).
any tips for getting out of Plat?
I climbed out of plat as support literally only by having a cheery tone the entire time and not really focusing my mind on whats going on with my team. After you enter diamond though and the mid-high part of diamond you'll want to start focusing on your team a little more as support. Only because right around there (At least as far as I found) you stop being able to consistently kill the flankers on you, so you have to do some musical chairs around your tanks and enviroment.
Remember when Genji had a bleeding effect...
Where can I submit a vod?
great vid
seems like this guys biggest problem is simply aim. I catch myself doing the same mistakes on Genji; going for tanks simply because I can't hit the smaller targets but want some kind of value
I dont like how you dashed at the zen, if there were more there you lose dash and get urself stuck if u dont kill the zen. but if its just the zen its fine but still i wouldnt use dash unless its getting u the kill for the instant dash away if needed
i feel if you play genji like this you definitely should not be playing him. please watch and re-watch this video all genji mains.
Fantastic Orc you should play hog or dva with that playstyle
Do you mean if you don't play like this, you shouldn't be playing Genji?
bigbluemoonshark exactly!!!
Genji here but can't get outta that high diamond/lowwy masters-ish zone been trying to do most of these genji specifics any tips?
Coppied my comment for you so you can read the "tips" I gave that are pretty helpfull things to think about while in game.
Tips specifically for you (even though I havent seen you play): Go for resets on the supports as stated in this video, wait for the right oppertunity and go in for a quick kill and get out. Focus firing on Genji is VERY important *as is on every DPS* but untill you're ready to pounce on that support focus the hero's your team are focussing.
As a Grandmaster Genji main. I agree,, this tutorial is SUPER informative, even for a lot of master Genji's. I do feel however that in a tutorial like this a bit more character mechanics explanation could have been done in the beginning or as a bonus.
For example: As Genji with ult, you often use the Slash/Dash combo, This player could have used this in his last ult aswell, would have been a helpfull tip in my humble opinion. Same goes for, when to use left or right mouse button & last but not least, canceling animations (IE: Wall climbing will sheating the sword).
Once again, good video however, keep it up!
omh sky im in top 500 and i took your tip and just walked behind with torb and carried.
If you're not playing Genji like a flanker and just spamming shurikens into the Rein shield, it's an awful hero pick because, McCree, Soldier, Roadhog and even more heros are better at this frontal role.
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Did this Genji swear off killing supports? lul. he needs to kill healers more.
Whats the music at the end?
JJD - Adventure (it's in the description btw :) )
My heart aches. Too much Zenyatta abuse.
Dps should be first priority before mercy
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Tip for the video when you dash throw someone and you know you can't turn around in half a sec and punch them don't it wastes time when you could be throwing ninja stars
I've been playing with my friends and they always get ult first even though we push at the same time and playing genji
any universal tips for getting ult faster?
Non Johns might be a shit tip but i tend to use the tanks as an ult charge tool (especially orisa) but by that you also feed their healers ult so yeah dont know if you should be doing that at any point.
like davfab said, use tanks as ult charge tools. sure you feed the enemy supports too but genjis ult out weights it in most cases imo
since genji is a 3 star hero, his ult takes longer to load
why only 360p tho
Triple Time it's still rendering, it should be HD in a minute or 2
Triple Time because you are to early
is that ginger?
MrMezo47 Just another Genji player with Parkinsons.
This is such a sad example of the typical genji players
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So... the tips are... what now? All I got fro this was:
1.) Don't attack Tanks
2.) Attack Supports
3.) Flank
4.) Initiate with flanks
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I need healing.
D.va is really easy to kill as Genji tho
Wow this guy plays like me. And he’s in diamond, But the only different is my aim. But if I had better aim I would be in diamond!
It is... possible to play genji behind your Rein shield but... not gud! You as Genji have access to so many sweet angles to abuse to poke and get some Ult charge, and so many Ways to harass. Get behind them, get to there sides, whatever! But Use the god damn movement!
dont know why he was even on genji. their team needed a main dps really bad, and genji was getting countered really hard.
I am serching an overwatch team to play competetively. I am right now exactly 3500. Just right me a PM. Europe - PC
liema. this is the wrong place to find ppl to play with. Try a discord server or some other place for a lfg
I am serching an overwatch team to play competetively. I am right now exactly 3500. Just right me a PM
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You should say your platform so you don't confuse people.
pc? what region? What roles do you play?
Hopefully someone sends in an Orisa because I'm an orisa main xP
Tanks are good for ult charge.
I am 100% against this genji should be farming off tanks for ult constantly unless there is a clear opening
Winston jumped, so there was an opening. Also, by being sneaky, Genji can create openings by making picks himself.
Tsundoku Why farm off tanks when You can farm off the mercy is spawn?
Tsundoku you should be flanking ofc
buuut i dont need to flank if u can team whipe every team fight
Third. Sweet. This is early
It kinda annoys me when people play high skill characters when they may not have the actual knowledge to do so, for example, this person struggles with target priority, and as a dps, a role that has a lot of responsibility, it's far from ideal. Personally, I feel like this is a big issue with many dps players, they take on a role that they think they do well as, but may in fact not do great. Please keep in mind I'm speaking generally, not just in this persons case, and so I do not mean any offence towards this player, I just find it slightly annoying to play with people who struggle with this type of thing at such a rank as diamond.
If I was to give a tip to anyone who wants to play dps, aiming isn't the most crucial thing, and it can be less time consuming to learn positioning and target priority for a higher reward. I'm only low/mid diamond, with the accuracy of one, but I think I understand pretty much all of the knowledge there is to know about the game, other than the occasional ridiculous Mei wall flank (of course, I don't claim to be a fountain of knowledge, I just know my stuff). I do my research, and I heavily suggest that people do the same before going into comp, it certainly helped me climb, it may very well do the same for you.
I have a friend who is mid plat, who tries to main Genji, and he doesn't seem to realize that what's holding him back is not knowledge. He actually knows what he's meant to do, but he doesn't do it properly, he'll try to flank, but he won't do anything after flanking, then it pretty much becomes a 5v6. I don't know about his mechanical skill, because the footage he sent me was crap quality, but I think if he executed the knowledge he knows, and becomes aware of his surrounding in-game, he would do a lot better. The only problem with him is that he never switches, because he thinks he 'carries', but I don't think he does, because he barely ever kills healers, resulting in a rez after his ult, then a lost team fight, and potentially game. It's all about target priority. if you're in bronze and you kill the healers, you'll probably win... I think... then again, at that rank, you may be better off killing the dps, as the healers be not be great at healing.
'It kinda annoys me when people try to learn a character/increase their skill.'
If you're learning a character, don't do it in comp. You'll be a detriment to your team.
Many heros play fairly differently outside of comp than in (somewhat dependent on mmr). A balance of drills, other modes, and comp is necessary to learn a hero.
Exactly, it's best to train your accuracy in the training room or against a friend in a custom game, as you don't hold anyone back, and as for the rest, like positioning, you can do the same in a custom game, you can learn projectile speeds in a training room, and as for tactics on characters, you learn that from either videos, friends, or qp, it's not rocket science. Besides, you'll learn slower in comp if anything, because you'll die more, because the enemy team will actually try to win, and if you're not familiar with a flanker, then you die before you learn or improve anything against a semi-decent team.
It's not like you can learn very much on your own, tactics that people use in Overwatch were 'founded' by the player-base over time, for example, target prioritization, you don't learn that in-game just by playing comp, you get it gradually through better teamates suggesting targets, or by looking up tips for improvement.
Also, did you read my comment, I said I was speaking generally, as in, dps's that take on responsibility they can't handle annoys me. How does that not make sense for a diamond player, who should know the basics of engaging? It's not like I was trying to insult this player, in fact, I even said "keep in mind I'm speaking generally, not just in this persons case, and so I do not mean any offence towards this player", it's just annoying that he picks dps when he can't really contribute to the team, and kind of weighs it down.
+Kelson Ball That's true to an extent, I'm mainly playing the devil's advocate here, but don't you think that you can refine your accuracy, tactics, and routes in other places than comp just as effectively? It's not hard to start a custom game. Also, it's unfair to drag down a team with a character you may not be very effective with when the other 5 of your team are fighting for rank.
The biggest fault of this genji was that when mercy healled him he said Thanks.
He should be saying Need Healling, when full HP, when damaged and after healled!
He's in diamond and doesn't know to target healers... i'm in gold and know how to. I just have teammates that can't clean up.
Andrew Lanning Knowing "how" to do something and actually being able to do it is completely different dude.
Andrew Lanning if you don't kill the healers or who ever you're diving it's not berry useful genji should be used to clean up not solo their healers
I can't move my aim fast enough to use Dragon Blade effectively, it always does minimal damage.