TRUE LIES 4K Blu-ray Review : The incomprehensible restoration
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- Here's full breakdown of the #4k #bluray of #jamescameron 's #truelies in #dolbyvision #dolbyatmos
With a comparison of the new 4K #UHD HDR restoration with the old Spanish Blu ray version, streaming version and much more
0:00 Introduction
0:37 Technical features
02:43 Contents
03:09 Image analysis
20:03 Audio analysis
21:31 Conclusion
Thanks to @davidfakrikian, founder of @dvdvision, for his help and insights into the history of these versions.
Go to dvdvision
www.dvdvision.fr
In order to preserve the original content of this edition, this video is brought to you in #4KHDR.
Thanks to @TrinnovAudio for allowing me to perform this test with their Object Analyzer.
here is the link for dvdvision
www.dvdvision.fr
link to Asterix and Obelix : mission Cleopatra the restoration
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Hardware used for this test
➡️ Video :
- Sony 83a90j TV
- LG 32EP950-B HDR monitor
- Panasonic DMP-UB900 Blu Ray player
- Sony VPL-VW290ES projector
➡️ Audio :
- System 5.1.4
- Marantz SR-7015 amplifier
- Trinnov Altitude 32 amplifier
- Klipsch RP-500SA II Atmos speakers
- Focal Chorus 726 speakers
➡️ Software :
DaVinci Resolve 18.5
Nobe Omniscope
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It genuinely looks like they've taken that Hulu HD 2022 version and run it through Topaz Video Enhance AI.
This is the most in depth movie review ever. You are 100% right about that missed focus theory. They tried to fix it in post but failed miserably. When I watched infamous spanish bluray I haven't notice most of missed focus shots. Maybe this movie shouldn't be watched in 4K.
Thanks a lot
It’s still totally enjoyable in 4k
Finally someone who KNOWs the tech and is reviewing UHD Blu-rays. Your video is so good, it us unbelievable. I can understand how painful would it have been for you to put together this video. I hope you get all subs and love you deserve. Thank you!
Thanks a lot
Feel free to share I ve got so few views 😉
This chanel is so good as if it was ai suplemented
@@nuznikas thank you very much
Excellent video. It amazes me how this one got approved. I think it's one of the worst restorations I've seen. The raised black is so bad it's a struggle for me to watch it. Some restoration expert reviewed this at 10 out 10 for video. You know who I mean. That's just sad, and embarrassing. Some people just don't get it. Glad you posted this video, and thanks for all the hard work.
It's an absolutely amazing restoration. Looks fantastic.
Thanks, love you guys
@@Revolver1981 Did you see the comparison to the blu-ray? It's washed out, A.I.-oil-painted, and has blown-out white levels. What's so fantastic about it?
@@Selrisitai Blown out white levels? What the hell does that mean? People like you are very irritating. Normal people don't notice every little detail. The picture quality looks amazing.
@@Revolver1981 It means the image is so bright that there's lost detail in the bright areas. For instance, explosions/flames are just flat white lights instead of, y'know, complex shades or orange.
If you don't even know what you're talking about, how on earth do you feel so confident saying that the "picture quality looks amazing"?
Your qualification is that you're a "normal person," e.g., a laymen, e.g., you don't know what you're talking about?
Then enjoy watching the DVD and let us people who _care_ about picture quality discuss the actual issues with the image, or are you going to go to a museum and explain to everyone how good the paintings are when you don't know anything about art?
This is probably the best video you've ever put out, thank you for being so thorough. What a strange situation. I've heard a rumour from another channel that the negative was in quite poor shape, which could potentially begin to explain the odd inconsistencies, but they've gone way overboard with the artificial sharpening.
Well I saw that too. But we will never know. People working on theses projects sign NDA and it’s absolutely forbidden to talk about what is done. It’s like secret defense. If anything leak I be very surprised
That’s why I take with a lot of precaution the statement of some people revealing that kind of informations
I don’t trust that channel
Great work! The best review I have seen so far!
Thanks a lot do not hesitate to share 🙏
Yeah this is a crazy deep dive on the movie. I was impressed
Another FANTASTIC analysis. Keep them coming!
thanks a lot
There is a fairly decent 35mm.1080p.Cinema.DTS.v1.0 scan around that is probably my favourite version of the film yet. It's quite blown out in the highlights but the blacks are super deep - might just be the scan though. I love the colours in that version, they're closer to the DVD but even more dramatic, makes the new release look faded
These reviews are superb! One can easily see that so much research and care have gone into them, and way more than your next in-line critical reviewer! Thank you for all the hard work! I hope you rest up well and keep them coming!
Thanks a lot, yes Cameron Killed me 😁
These in depth looks at the transfers of 4k blu rays is your niche: great work
Thanks that’s very kind
@@LELABODEJAY of course, I highly recommend you pace yourself on these and stick to titles that are popular among enthusiast. It seems like you’ve been doing this but don’t want you to get burnt out since they clearly take lot of work to make
As always, excellent. Thank you 🙏
thanks 🙂
Fantastic analysis. Great technical depth and knowledge. It's a shame what we've gotten here, in many ways, but after all these decades I'm at the same time grateful we finally have them.
Fantastic analysis! As a layman, it seems like the focus problem presented less of an issue on older versions with lower definitions. However, in 4K the issue was very noticeable. And it appears as though they've tried to alter a wide range of scenes to make the focus issue less jarring. Yet it's still there.
thanks for your kind and interesting comments. I think they are quite embarrassed with this one and there is magical solution
You know what makes misplaced focus more agreeable? Film grain. Because the grain is always present and sharp, no matter where the lens focus gets lost. So removing grain because of focus problems is the dumbest solution.
@@bened22 Totally agree: they actually made it worse by using DNR.
Amazing work!Could explain a lot!
True Lies is such an entertaining movie with great action. Cameron with Arnold was gold.
Totally agree
Thank you for this!!
Shocking transfer. They will not be getting my money. Such a great in-depth analysis by you yet again. Loving the channel.
It's a great transfer.
Thanks, that's your choice. thanks for your support
@@Revolver1981 Did you not watch the video? Did you not see the washed-out image, blown-out highlights and A.I. oil-painted hair?
@@Selrisitai It's a great transfer. Same with Terminator 2. Both look incredible in 4K and HDR.
Exceptionnel, merci Jay !!!!!!!
Great analysis!
Engagement for engagement gods.
Seriously though, kudos for making that review after all.
Thanks 🙏
Meilleur test du 4K disponible sur le Web. Bravo.
Merci 🙏
6:27 Tom Arnold's face looks like it's made of chewed leather in the 4k
This was a hugely disappointing 4K release for me. Couldn't wait to ditch my non-anamorphic Fox DVD and then, this - a waxy image, with degraded color and really overwhelming white levels that just made everything look cartoonish. Looks nothing like what I remember in the theater. Saw it on opening night and remember being utterly blown away by the visuals. This 4K just felt wanting in virtually all aspects.
I wonder if there was an issue with the cameras while filming, perhaps it looked in proper focus in the viewfinder but somehow wasn't actually in focus when it went on film? Or maybe whoever was behind the camera needs some glasses? That is really weird to me to have so many shots slightly out of focus. Also, could they have possibly not used an original super 35mm or 70mm print? Maybe they used a bad print before doing the cleaning up work? Great job on noticing that! Really good video!
Thanks, that could be an answer, but when you shoot you generally make dailies moreover when you have such jet plan, you ensure everything is ok. They should have noticed during the shooting theorically
@@LELABODEJAY It's just a weird thing to me to have scenes ever so slightly out of focus. It then makes sense that any AI cleanup work would have issues trying to sharpen people's faces if it is lacking the original definition of that person because it's not focused on their face. This was a really awesome video you did, I learned a lot! But I also think now I have more questions then answers now too! 🤣
I always noticed the car behind Paxton being in focus and not him and a couple others over the years but I never knew it was that many shots when you list them all.
Pretty good content!
As someone that uses Ai video tools quite a lot I definitely think it was used here but not to the extent people think.
Most of the shots look like traditional DNR with some sharpening and other techniques applied liberally on top.
But there are a few that scream AI to me namely at 6:27
If you look at his face in UHD you can see some crosshatched wrinkle patterns on his cheek along with some vein like structures on his chin, not visible in the Hulu version.
You can also see some faint diagonal lines around his eyes.
And note how pores around his mouth & chin are completely scrubbed whilst becoming more obvious on his neck, temple and forehead.
These are clear Ai artefacts, additional detail being added that clearly wasn't there in the source and detail being scrubbed in an adaptive manner.
That's the main way to tell the difference between Ai and older techniques, is new detail being created or is it just old detail being scrubbed.
It makes sense they'd do it this way. Ai isn't ready for primetime, some shots will look magnificent whilst others display obvious errors so a mix of techniques is still necessary.
Unfortunately they didn't screen the results well enough and some obvious errors snuck through.
However at the end of the day Ai is not the movies main issue, it's those older methods that are destroying the picture.
That shot looks way better in previous releases
@@thischannelisdeleted Oh absolutely.
And the artifacts are so obvious, the fact they weren't caught shows a real lack of care.
@@MsMarco6 Are you familiar with the Spanish blu-ray? It’s a rough transfer but overall a better experience for me. I also think the 5.1 hits harder than the Atmos.
What about the hair? In most of the shots the hair looks like oil paint.
@@Selrisitai That's explained by DNR.
If you erase film grain there's nothing underneath so the algorithm has to fill in with surrounding material, blurring the area and creating an impressionistic look.
Ai meanwhile doesnt have that problem especially not with hair.
It's trained on video of real hair and so can fill in the blanks with plausible detail leaving the hair looking more detailed than in the source video.
So the oil painting like look is more evidence of non Ai techniques.
Ai artefacts in hair would be things like strange patterns in the hair or strands that weren't there originally.
I do agree the explosions do run too bright. The smoke or the orange of the fire is barely visible. As a matter of fact the image quality of the entire movie is almost too bright.
After watching this review and your Aliens review, I have a theory about the lack of HDR.
While it is unknown what AI software was used at Park Road to enhance the films, the only consumer software I know of that can do this is Topaz Video Enhance AI. Topaz notably can only enhance SDR video because the models were not trained on HDR footage.
While they may be using some other machine learning software other than Topaz, it likely has a similar limitation due to a lack of training data.
Therefore, my theory is that all of these new Cameron remasters are SDR color grades wrapped in HDR containers because they had to work with SDR when doing the AI image enhancement.
I love your observation about the soft focus and the enhancements being done to hide it. I haven’t had a chance to watch this in high definition yet, but I will look out for the soft focus.
All they'd have to do is edit the SDR image first, then grade it for HDR afterward. I assume that'd be standard procedure.
Absolutly brilliant work for this Video, what a scandal for one of my favorite Movies..
Thanks a lot
@@LELABODEJAY I’m so interested in the open matte version, where could I find it?? Thank you
6:27 and 15:50 alone should tell you whether you should buy or skip this UHD release ... What a pitty.
pity*
Hey I first looked at your review, what is very professional made and I´m totally agreed what you´re saying about the transfer , if it was out of focus at the time you can´t get any better even on 4K . But never the less I bought anyway this afternoon because it can´t be worser than the dvd and I´m a big fan of the movie and need the 4k to play on my 4k laserprojector on my big screen . Thank you for the review greetings from Belgium
Thanks a lot
Regards from France 😉
Yes. Its James Cameron. He is such a perfectionist, anything out of focus was probably for a reason
Yes .
Yes there is always a reason, that's what I try to make people understand and not judge or condamn too quickly
This is why I stick with standard blu-ray !
Personally, I'm not as concerned with individual scene focus issues. I went from a DVD to a 4k Blu-ray and I notice a big difference and I just really enjoy the movie for the action and comedic parts. As an aside, I ordered my Abyss 4K on March 12th and I just got it yesterday and haven't had time to watch it yet. Titanic on 4k (IMO) is awesome.
Same about having gone from DVD to 4k so that alone is an improvement. I loved the abyss 4k and the Aliens 4k transfer didn't bother me. I haven't gotten Titanic yet so I don't know how much Cameron messed with that movie
DOES SOMEBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET THE OPEN MATTE VERSION these Days????? Thank you
Excellent analysis. I was wondering what the reasoning was behind some of the tinkering. It wasn’t to scrub grain because the grain’s still there, in some scenes exacerbated by the tinkering. The explanation that mistakes were made in hitting focal points correctly makes a lot of sense. And the highlight clipping annoyed me as well. It’s an odd release, for sure, but not entirely a travesty. A good 60% of the movie looked ok and I enjoyed watching it. Interesting that the Hulu version looks better…
Keep up the great work!
Bon jour!
I’ve been binge watching your videos and greatly appreciate and respect the huge amount of effort and expertise you put into your reviews.
I am really impressed with the image analysis portions 20:00 and what speakers are firing to position objects around the room. Very cool! The question I have is two part;
One, do you have video or know of video that visualizes Atmos played through a 5.1.2 system? I have the space/equipment/wife approval to convert my 5.1 system to 5.1.2 Atmos by installing two in-ceiling speakers and it would be interesting to see what happens with the object processing.
Two, do you think 5.1.2 is worth it, or would I be happier forgoing Atmos altogether? Going to 4 ceiling speakers is not an option due to space and my new receiver only supporting either 7.1 or 5.1.2.
Hello tanks à lot
I did not test with 5.1.2 the viewer object. But atmos is designed to adapt to your environment so object will follow
Yes you will enjoy atmos even with 2 speakers but it all depends on size of your room and placement
I am not the best person to ask on that
Oh no, not my boy James Cameron... I think he just got excited with the power of AI and wanted to get the most out of the scan. I can clearly see the AI struggling with the distant faces, as well as the face textures, which are mistaken by noise and then smoothed out, so you get that very non-homogeneous picture. The focus problem is probably the AI not being able to track all the faces properly, which cause some to get sharpened, and some don't. Funny enough, if the master was too degraded, maybe scanning the D-VHS version to digital could've have turned out better, who knows.
My d theater copy of this is never going to actually get replaced is it :/
watched last night and yeah too clean was my first tough cant say i am happy but still best what can be bought but was hoping more =,(
Well put together. Nice work
I assume the clipped highlights is a mastering or workflow error… maybe something that was caused by a malfunctioning plugin… i actually experienced something like that… hard clipping can only be caused by such an issue…
but that this was approved is puzzling… this kind of mastering error should have been caught…
Exactly… errors occurs but qc is there normally to avoid such things
Don’t know why this happens
i think i‘ll keep my spanish blu ray then… and stay away from that clipped garbage…
these cameron restorations save me a lot of money… so far i bought exactly 0 of these…
i‘ll get the abyss though because i got no HD version of this… only dvd so thats probably good enough to upgrade…
@@gregorpfueller6659 the clipping on the Spanish version is worst
on my 120” 2:35:1 screen it looks fantastic
Thanks 🙏
the only thing that I really noticed as weird looking was Jamie Lee Curtis' face throughout the movie. It looks like she was CGI'd into the movie
The Lowry master (the old Amazon and Disney+ prints) does not suffers from Cameron's overprocessed video image. This should have released earlier on the Blu instead of an AI upscaled mess. And it deserves to be rescanned into actual 4K, not godawful AI upscaling placed as "restoration" and DNR at the same time.
Thank you ! Comment for the TH-cam algorithm. Could you please do a review in your style of Terminator 2 4K HDR versus Terminator 2 3D Blu-ray? The 3D Blu-ray even if you strip the amazing 3D and watch in 2D is less processed and without teal and orange, and there is no comparison to 3D Blu-ray nowhere in the internet. I discovered it by accident doing my own side by side 4K vs 3D.
I talked about it in my video on the abyss
These 4 videos were so much work to do don’t know if I have the strength to deep dive into t2
This video really makes me sad, if one of the "pioneer" directors is treating his legacy and masterpieces like that how should anyone care?
Absolutely insane that James Cameron made the worst 4K again! T2 is now in 4th place.
1. True Lies
2. Bourne Identity
3. Aliens
4. T2
It seems that the 35 mm negative is fubar my favorite movie fan-freaking-tastic ! I really hope the new transfer of t2 ain't like this ......
T2's 2017 transfer is stunning .
@@natalieportmanfan1817 my condolences
@@natalieportmanfan1817🤣🤣🤣
A very useful and informative video but the irony of someone questioning the choice to use A.I video processing via an A.I audio narration where every 5th word is inaccurately pronounced will not be lost on many!
Thanks for your feedback
I’m French and all my videos are in French. I make this English version to share the content. I’m not fluent and it’s very complex for me to record in English. Try to make a video in French on such complex topics
I don’t like Ai but that’s the only way that I found to make this accessible
Channel is free not monetised
Sorry if it’s not perfect
Regards
This is another example of why 4K remasters are not always better.
I am lucky in that i have this film in all the various media that it was released in
including the Laserdisc DTS which was released in 1998, this for me shows this film
at it's best with few of the issues highlighted in this review.
I am rapidly loosing faith in 4K releases of older films, they are making a mess of them
Plains.Trains & Automobiles is another example of how to ruin a good film.
sorry to say that, it's an IA voice record no ?
Unfortunately yes
I am French and it’s to complicated and time consuming for me to record in English
@@LELABODEJAY quick answer, merci pour cette vidéo, aucun souci, la voix est assez monotone mais le contenu est de qualité et au niveau professionnel l'audio n'est pas un problème
@@empGaming_Music_Movies merci 🙏
Well the other releases were the best the films have ever looked especially Titanic, but this is all thats going to be with this release and it's a world better than dvd so I'm going to get it and whatever I'll let you guys pick it apart and bitch. I'm just going to enjoy having it
Twin Flicks is an example on how to not to a 4K review.
I've got 70-year-old eyes and ears. This was an absolute pleasure to watch last weekend with friends. Could it have been better? Of course it could. The ATMOS track made it worth the upgrade for me.
It's clear that the negative was fine, they just weren't happy with out of focus shots in 4K, and decided they could fix them but instead made it much worse. Let this be an example to other studios doing 4K remasters. Even out of focus those shots look better than ever before, so why butcher it with AI and try to add information that isn't present? And how does this get an HDR/Dolby Vision stamping with such terrible blacks, and highlights. Shame... If they did this movie the right way, it would have been fine.
Our narrator here is not real right? AI voice
Yes sorry for that
I m French. Some of my older video were dubbed by me but it’s too painful and time wasting for such a bad result. That’s why I prefer this method event if I don’t like it
@@LELABODEJAY No apologies necessary. I've gone back to your old stuff and realized. I could understand your English. 😀
I caved and bought The Abyss 4K because I was desperate to own a copy of the movie. True Lies and Aliens on the other hand is a hard pass.
Prior to owning the 4K UHD Blu Ray of True Lies, it was the old R1 DVD for me. Now I have the 4K UHD, I cant go back. I'm glad I skipped that Spanish Blu Ray too.
James Cameron..... George Lucas 2.0 lol
Are you capable of enjoying movies or is your condition a curse and stealer of joy?
I am totally capable of enjoying it and took a great pleasure with this one
Best regards
Is your assumption that we critical people have never seen a movie with a good transfer? I can give you a list. It's pretty long.
Purists will prefer the spanish blu-ray even if it's crap . 😂😂
I know, everybody is free to enjoy what they want
Please get someone to do your narration instead of shit ai
Sure, send me the money
I will pay someone to do it
AI voice, and I'm out
Are you deliberately mispronouncing words or is this more AI generated BS.
Hello, I am French, and I want to share this content but don't speak well English and it's quite hard to record on such complex topics. I gave up and use AI voices, Sorry if it's not perfect
Thank you for this!