I’ve spent the past 10 years working as an engineering recruiter for FAANG companies and smaller companies and I can tell you that companies can and will pass up on people in order to find the talent that hits their bar. They do not do on the job training. They even pass up on people with industry and job specific experience IF they don’t hit their hiring bar. They will not hire someone who isn’t ready to hit the ground running in a role.
I smile at this being a "new concept" since 25 years ago this is exactly how my career in IT software engineering was built. Illinois State University had an accelerated 10-12 week intensive certificate program custom designed in conjunction with some local corporations needing to fill skilled programmer positions. Graduates were immediately hired by the companies as work-ready employees and the certification program was paid by the companies. It was a win-win-win for all involved.
Also, the thing is…. it’s all new there schooling. It sounds great and all, but is it going to be credible in the job market? is it going to be acceptable like the Ivy League schools? Hmmm…🤔
@@ig4091not going to beat ivy league graduate with intern/co-op experience. It is possible to land a job especially a college certificate tech course with dedication, smart decision and learning the material very well. Some states are goin statewide certification tech programs in community College which land them a entry level job position especially in my state (Massachusetts).
Coming from someone who works in tech, what these guys are talking about is a fantasy. You will rarely see a data science or cybersecurity job that doesn’t require a degree. Likewise, you will be hard-pressed to find a someone who started out in tech without a degree at $80k. I completely agree that these types of jobs don’t need a degree, but you will not start off making $80k. Developers do tend to make more than people who work in IT (yes they’re different) but they’re not starting off without a degree, or even with a degree, making $80k.
I work in cyber security currently. I just recently got this job and I do not have a 4 year degree. I make around 120k not including benefits. All I have is IT experience and certifications. So yes, you don't need a degree for a cyber security job.
@@AkiraShima2828 as I said, they don’t need a degree, and your point is valid. But you also didn’t start in cyber security, and you didn’t start making $120k. The lie that these two sell is that you can graduate these types of programs with no professional experience and start off making $80-150k/year.
I don't even know why it takes that much courage to sit down with your kids and tell them this. My kids are too young at the moment, but this is the direction I hope they go. If they want a career. I have two girls and they both say they want to be moms and wives at the moment.
Reading all the comments here of people who actually work in the field call BS on this boot camp Kens been pedaling for eons is really telling. Ken famously always says he doesn’t read the comments but perhaps he should. Because I see him speak on this and think.. you don’t know anything about tech bro stop portraying it as easy to get into. Skill and talent is still needed.. your not gonna walk in and make 150k as an amateur.
These boot camps are the ground floor of foundational awareness not even foundational knowledge. I wish people were more transparent about the difference and the additional work beyond these boot camps required to know your first role.
The traditional view of work is that one can obtain training in high school, trade school or college and then you have a job. I am In IT, and the new paradigm, for more jobs, is continuous education. College should focus more on how to learn,critical thinking skills, theory. Cybersecurity would be on the end of most continuous educational updates, moves to the cloud may limit that growth. It will morph, into researching fraud kits on the dark web and how to defend against such tactics. University education should be theoretical, that base will accelerate applied learning in multiple areas. Set theory is still set theory regardless of the tools used to explore data.
I think Bethel Tech is a great idea--instead of the high cost of a University education, but...one needs to see the writing on the wall of H1B Visa Workers and automation that will replace all those going into cyber security, engineering, programming, etc--it's a global hustle and nothing is guaranteed.
I sure would like to know where these guys are getting hired for $80,000 a year or more. I've been in I.T. 20 years and I see nothing but companies that lowball prospects.
There univesity and college IT certificate programs from career centers and from college they learn the material well within 6 to 12 months. Land a IT or tech job. Even cheaper compare to mos5 bootcamps.
I reached out to my old employer and offered my services with the new company I work with ....am i overthinking it? I was just trying to do good and network and help everyone but scared now the old small buisness employer /owner will get jealous and try to sabatogge my new job. Not possible if we are in good terms right?
Well some of the additional challenges to obtaining employment via this method is the relationship or networking tree. Your resume will not get pass the "bots" when you apply as they automatically reject certain demographics and experience. I think there needs to be an investigation on the parameters programmed into these "bots" on the immediate rejection criteria and look for discrimination based on the equal opportunity laws! Therefore unless you know someone at the hiring company, you probably wont get an interview, let alone the job. So the formula for employment is Trade or tech skills + be any denomination other than White male + social network connections at the hiring company + disguising your resume from demographics and factors that weed out your resume. Ken you need a segment on this!
If he’s interested in getting into cybersecurity, he should try getting a help desk job out of high school. This will kickstart his track of getting into cybersecurity, which usually requires years of professional experience in IT or development.
Dam 😂 idk why but I sensed that was probably the case. Having a solid degree in the field will obviously always top a program like BethalTech. I’m not bashing them but downplaying the fact that anyone with a degree will always get hired over you if it came down to it is silly.
With million shortage of employees, does Coleman still prognosticate the dumbass assertions of the death of remote work? He does not read these so he will not respond
SPOILER ALERT! This is just a means for Ken to pay the bills. I'm over a decade in tech, interviewed hundreds of people, let me tell you... the chances of finding someone skilled enough without a degree, coming from a bootcamp, or tech program, and who outshines the other candidates is 0.X%. Let me translate: not even 1 in 100 is capable of this performance. The few exceptions, are outliers and could outsmart me IN ANY FIELD. These are just special people that can do whatever they put their mind too. No, you random reader are not one of them. So, yeah, keep endorsing fantasies! :) This mentality goes hand in hand with all the genders being thrown around.
Say it louder for those in the back. I hate hearing people who don’t work in tech preach about how easy you can get into tech with just a boot camp or some certification program. Book knowledge is useful, but it doesn’t qualify you for a 6-figure job. Experience does.
I’ve spent the past 10 years working as an engineering recruiter for FAANG companies and smaller companies and I can tell you that companies can and will pass up on people in order to find the talent that hits their bar. They do not do on the job training. They even pass up on people with industry and job specific experience IF they don’t hit their hiring bar. They will not hire someone who isn’t ready to hit the ground running in a role.
I smile at this being a "new concept" since 25 years ago this is exactly how my career in IT software engineering was built. Illinois State University had an accelerated 10-12 week intensive certificate program custom designed in conjunction with some local corporations needing to fill skilled programmer positions. Graduates were immediately hired by the companies as work-ready employees and the certification program was paid by the companies. It was a win-win-win for all involved.
Also, the thing is….
it’s all new there schooling. It sounds great and all, but is it going to be credible in the job market?
is it going to be acceptable like the Ivy League schools?
Hmmm…🤔
@@ig4091not going to beat ivy league graduate with intern/co-op experience. It is possible to land a job especially a college certificate tech course with dedication, smart decision and learning the material very well. Some states are goin statewide certification tech programs in community College which land them a entry level job position especially in my state (Massachusetts).
I was a FANG engineer and recently did a job change. They are greatly exaggerating how desperate employers are to bring in tech talent.
Coming from someone who works in tech, what these guys are talking about is a fantasy. You will rarely see a data science or cybersecurity job that doesn’t require a degree. Likewise, you will be hard-pressed to find a someone who started out in tech without a degree at $80k. I completely agree that these types of jobs don’t need a degree, but you will not start off making $80k. Developers do tend to make more than people who work in IT (yes they’re different) but they’re not starting off without a degree, or even with a degree, making $80k.
I work in cyber security currently. I just recently got this job and I do not have a 4 year degree. I make around 120k not including benefits. All I have is IT experience and certifications. So yes, you don't need a degree for a cyber security job.
@@AkiraShima2828 as I said, they don’t need a degree, and your point is valid. But you also didn’t start in cyber security, and you didn’t start making $120k. The lie that these two sell is that you can graduate these types of programs with no professional experience and start off making $80-150k/year.
I just got my first job in cybersecurity after 10 months of training. Almost finished with my degree and accepted a job for $90k as an IT auditor.
@@FishHuntGrowBuild Congrats!
I don't even know why it takes that much courage to sit down with your kids and tell them this. My kids are too young at the moment, but this is the direction I hope they go. If they want a career. I have two girls and they both say they want to be moms and wives at the moment.
Reading all the comments here of people who actually work in the field call BS on this boot camp Kens been pedaling for eons is really telling. Ken famously always says he doesn’t read the comments but perhaps he should. Because I see him speak on this and think.. you don’t know anything about tech bro stop portraying it as easy to get into. Skill and talent is still needed.. your not gonna walk in and make 150k as an amateur.
These boot camps are the ground floor of foundational awareness not even foundational knowledge. I wish people were more transparent about the difference and the additional work beyond these boot camps required to know your first role.
The job market is oversaturated for developers and engineers. I guess this is a good sales pitch. Where are the employers that support your claims?
Also, HB1Visa Workers are rarely discussed
The traditional view of work is that one can obtain training in high school, trade school or college and then you have a job. I am In IT, and the new paradigm, for more jobs, is continuous education. College should focus more on how to learn,critical thinking skills, theory. Cybersecurity would be on the end of most continuous educational updates, moves to the cloud may limit that growth. It will morph, into researching fraud kits on the dark web and how to defend against such tactics. University education should be theoretical, that base will accelerate applied learning in multiple areas. Set theory is still set theory regardless of the tools used to explore data.
I think Bethel Tech is a great idea--instead of the high cost of a University education, but...one needs to see the writing on the wall of H1B Visa Workers and automation that will replace all those going into cyber security, engineering, programming, etc--it's a global hustle and nothing is guaranteed.
I sure would like to know where these guys are getting hired for $80,000 a year or more. I've been in I.T. 20 years and I see nothing but companies that lowball prospects.
There univesity and college IT certificate programs from career centers and from college they learn the material well within 6 to 12 months. Land a IT or tech job. Even cheaper compare to mos5 bootcamps.
Indeed! More cyber security training is key.
I reached out to my old employer and offered my services with the new company I work with ....am i overthinking it? I was just trying to do good and network and help everyone but scared now the old small buisness employer /owner will get jealous and try to sabatogge my new job. Not possible if we are in good terms right?
I thought infomercials were dead.
Well some of the additional challenges to obtaining employment via this method is the relationship or networking tree. Your resume will not get pass the "bots" when you apply as they automatically reject certain demographics and experience. I think there needs to be an investigation on the parameters programmed into these "bots" on the immediate rejection criteria and look for discrimination based on the equal opportunity laws! Therefore unless you know someone at the hiring company, you probably wont get an interview, let alone the job. So the formula for employment is Trade or tech skills + be any denomination other than White male + social network connections at the hiring company + disguising your resume from demographics and factors that weed out your resume. Ken you need a segment on this!
Can't wait to show this to my high school age son who wants to go into cyber security.
If he’s interested in getting into cybersecurity, he should try getting a help desk job out of high school. This will kickstart his track of getting into cybersecurity, which usually requires years of professional experience in IT or development.
@@maxpendley4357or any entry level IT job available.
18 minute commercial for a garbage school.
I always had my doubts each time he’s pedaled this schools name, why’s it bad it thoroughly wanna know ?
Can a blind guy do any of this?
How blind ? You have to be able to spend hours looking at screens and interpreting information from them.
Dont listen to this fool. If you put Bethel Tech on your resume and try applying to a top tech firm they would just laugh at you.
Dam 😂 idk why but I sensed that was probably the case. Having a solid degree in the field will obviously always top a program like BethalTech. I’m not bashing them but downplaying the fact that anyone with a degree will always get hired over you if it came down to it is silly.
I really like the new betheltech model.
This is a long Bethel-Tech commercial
With million shortage of employees, does Coleman still prognosticate the dumbass assertions of the death of remote work? He does not read these so he will not respond
What is sysadmin/coding ? Haha
I mean most blue collar jobs are low pay
Entry level yes, but stay in a decade and you’ve caught up if not exceeded the income of degreed employees.
Mike Rowe is the new "Buffet".
At least no student debt.
@@brightpage1020 Not in my experience.
Blue collars make more than white collars where I live
SPOILER ALERT! This is just a means for Ken to pay the bills. I'm over a decade in tech, interviewed hundreds of people, let me tell you... the chances of finding someone skilled enough without a degree, coming from a bootcamp, or tech program, and who outshines the other candidates is 0.X%. Let me translate: not even 1 in 100 is capable of this performance. The few exceptions, are outliers and could outsmart me IN ANY FIELD. These are just special people that can do whatever they put their mind too. No, you random reader are not one of them. So, yeah, keep endorsing fantasies! :) This mentality goes hand in hand with all the genders being thrown around.
Say it louder for those in the back. I hate hearing people who don’t work in tech preach about how easy you can get into tech with just a boot camp or some certification program. Book knowledge is useful, but it doesn’t qualify you for a 6-figure job. Experience does.
KENI - TELL US HOW MUCH YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO PIMP THIS COMPANY. 💸💸💸