@@daa589 So much better, but then the timeline would have been altered and who knows if Apple would have ever gotten anywhere without Jobs's gaslithging.
for about 5 years, but every 7 days you have to resign your apps and you can only have 3 sideloaded apps total (including sidestore/altstore), unless you pay apple $100 a year for a paid developer account, which removes the 3 app limit and increases the resinging period to a year (which you can see in the video at 4:35)
Although I don't have an iPad, seeing the Paperlike ad was one of the few cases where I'm like "that was something good to learn about". I'm pointing this out because 99% of sponsorships are for things where the ad annoys me.
While it leaves out a very useful function, there are fairly legitimate security concerns with some emulators. Although apple mostly just doesn't want recompiling/JIT stuff where you have blocks of writeable+executable memory. Old style interpreting emulators, like mini vmac should be fine as far as that's concerned. The appstore has retroarch, which might even have a mini vmac core.
@@Aeduo Apple's hatred of emulation on iOS isn't technical, it's political. Their security threat model includes saving the user from themselves (and getting paid 30% for it); so they don't want ANY way to get code into an app that they haven't signed off on. Whether that be malicious code that the app developer is sneaking into a hotfix (like imagine how Uber was hiding spyware functionality from App Review, but delivered in the same way Fortnite shipped direct payments) or completely harmless ROM images a user dumped from their old legit Game Boy cartridges. There's two exceptions: - Developer tools (which the App Store guidelines patronizingly call "learn to code" apps), except all the useful entitlements for developer tools are private APIs only Swift Playgrounds is allowed to use, so you really can only ship interpreters - "Retro console emulators", which is only excepted because Apple has competition in the EU now and didn't want everyone to flock to AltStore PAL right away The lack of a useful JIT entitlement is downstream of this political decision. Since there's no legitimate (in Apple's eyes) reason to load code into an app, Apple isn't going to give you an entitlement whose sole purpose is to load code into an app.
First time I can agree to a sponsorship. I use that screen protector for a while now and I just love it! Can recommend it to everyone who needs to use a Apple Pencil.
@@HIDLad001 Here is $100,000 said Tim Cook to Ted Cruz. Remember, the people don't matter. It's the ability for you to make money off them that's important. continued Ted... o we are apple, we know smiled Tim
@@-win-A more comprehensive rewrite: Tim Cook handed over $100,000 to Ted Cruz under the table. Ted smiled and, looking intently at Tim, said "To hell with the consumers. It's your ability to make money off of them that's the most important." Tim nodded and said "Yeah, we know."
No. iOS still blocks JIT compilation at a technical level (the OS doesn't allow you to map memory pages as executable) for anything except browsers or while connected to a Mac for debugging. That essentially blocks emulation of anything more modern than the PS1.
When I was a kid, my mom used a Mac 128k at work and when she would sometimes take us to her office we would sometimes play the Mac versions of Wheel of Fortune (it was pretty goofy but entertaining and has these tinny, bit-crushed applause and spinning wheel sounds that is stuck in my memory for all time) and Breakout-clone "Brickles" (I liked the Mac-y sounds of that version over Arkanoid for some reason). However, I don't think I've ever found those two specific games on classic Mac software archive sites in all my time running vMac, Basilisk, or QEMU setups.
I played a lot of Brickles in elementary school! I have also looked for it and not found much, but it looks like Macintosh Garden has several iterations of it. I haven't tried any yet bc I don't have an emulator set up. We also played a lot of a DOS Wheel of Fortune at home and I well remember the sounds and music. Vanna White was a redhead because of the color palettes available!
"I want to install Mini vMac on my android phone!" "Sure, just download it!" "I'd like to install this on my ios device!" Tim Cook/Apple: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seeing that Macintosh II emulation makes me think of when our warehouse at a multimedia software company had an original MacII (this would have bin mid-late 1990's). It was in really rough shape, but I *still* think I should have tried talking them out of it. Probably could have fixed it by now (presuming I wouldn't have lost it in our house fire some years back)
I've been following you for a long time, way before you started showing up on videos. Keep the shenanigans coming!! Love your content, and nice job pronouncing Jesús in spanish by the way 😊
Emulators on iOS are on the AppStore… Apple has allowed them freely so “apple being strict” isn’t really a thing anymore, this does include apps like UTM for emulating x86 computers and MiniVMac as you’ve shown. Apple I think was forced due to the EU..
@@jasedxyz no, emulators are in the App Store in the US. I have Delta, a GB/GBC/GBA/NDS/N64 emulator by the developer of AltStore on my iPhone. UTM has their SE edition, which lacks JIT, on the App Store, and I've ran Mac OS 9.1 on it with PPC emulation (but it is sloooow). In theory mini vMac could come to the App Store, but it is possible it'd have to rebrand itself to avoid running afoul of any Apple branding guidelines. There's a community port of Sheepshaver to iOS, but it's… pretty jank compared to this. But it might fair better in a submission if it gets polished? For what it's worth, InfiniteMac runs in a browser and is very snappy and functional on iPad. You can add it to your Home Screen to use, albeit a current bug causes incorrect screen resolution in "full screen" mode this way.
@@megatronskneecap then an adb or ps2 to bluetooth adapter ... (im sure there are plenty DIY on ESP32/RPi/Arduino boards as well as commercial products)
@@CaptainSouthbird you can also hook up just a regular USB keyboard (at least if your iPad has a USB c port). I have a keyboard that has a USB c port and i can use it on my iPad air 4 with the included USB c to c cable
you're telling me, that i might finally have a good use for my old ipad mini 2?!? sweeeeet! i have roms already so i dont have to worry about those haha
I just purchased a late model 12" Powerbook G4 1.33GHz. with the 8x Superdrive. Imma clean, restore and max out the RAM (1.25GB) and install an 80GB IDE SSD I have and try to install dual-boot Adélie and MorphOS. Excited to try to make it usefull again. Im not a big Apple/Mac guy but the 12" Powerbook G4 is one of the few machines they built Ive alwayse wanted to own.
Rock Paper Pencil from AstroPad is a much better paper-like protector for iPad. It's magnetic so you can take it on and off and it comes with a replacement tip for the pencil to add to the paper like experience.
The Apple II emulator on the Mac might want to be running on a compact Mac, at original resolution and 1-bit b&w, and an older copy of Macintosh system software. I’ve had this exact same issues with some the really old kings quest games. (I think the OS matters most in the equation, it was something about how the drawing code changed, not sure if it was called QuickDraw pre system 7).
Yeah I posted about that myself elsewhere then I saw you had already posted this. Apple ][ in a Mac is definitely 1 bit only but I used to use ][e’s on green screens so that’s more than enough for me! 😊
That's pretty awesome! I didn't realize that sideloading was that easy either..... is there any way to use that method to force an older (unsigned) iOS perchance? (Asking for a friend ;) )
Wait, I’m running RetroArch on my iPad that I downloaded directly from the App Store and it’s loaded with emulation cores. Something doesn’t make sense.
Would someone be so kind to create a ROM with OutSpoken installed into the system suitcase? Need sighted assistance to drag the extensions into the proper spot. Thank you!
I'd say something "huh duh apple bad, give emulators", but my experience with my experience with personal computer emulators on Android has been terrible. Unusable without an external keyboard and mouse, unless your software can be fully controlled with a joystick. But huh duh apple bad, allow console emulators.
I've got a paper-style(non-branded) screen protector on a Surface, and the parts he says are true, but it's taken on a permanent smudge just from trying to use the eraser end of my pen, my nibs wear out insanely quick, and the screen feels less sensitive. Maybe the fancier ones are better about those things, idk, but there are definitely trade-offs vs tempered glass. Still worth trying if you don't like the feeling of trying to draw on glass.
It's going to become more and more prevalent if we don't demand an end to it right NOW. Of course, if the WEF had their way, you wouldn't even own the computer either.
Tim Apple is en-route to your location 🤣
Just buy your grandma an iPhone.
O no he is bechind his door 😅
"I just want to talk to him"
Tim Apple is like the 1984 guy 😮
@@cheeseydoodooin that sweet southern twang…. No buddy stay back !!
I used miniVmac back in 2012 to make my Galaxy Tab 2 into an old Macintosh, such good times.
"I'm not going to tell you where to get the ROM image from'' proceeds to show exactly where to get it
He said he wouldn't _tell._
_Showing_ is another matter.
The hypocrisy of modern Apple and their old '1984' advert
Apple has lived long enough (and changed enough) to be their own villain.
yeah, big companies don't like staying true to their words
@ainlLeek imagine if woz was the ceo instead
@@daa589 So much better, but then the timeline would have been altered and who knows if Apple would have ever gotten anywhere without Jobs's gaslithging.
Wait, I live under a rock, when did sideloading on an iDevice become that easy? Not that I wanted to but it’s good to know
for about 5 years, but every 7 days you have to resign your apps and you can only have 3 sideloaded apps total (including sidestore/altstore), unless you pay apple $100 a year for a paid developer account, which removes the 3 app limit and increases the resinging period to a year (which you can see in the video at 4:35)
@@Untitled_Pribor oh, it’s the same old dev thing, not that far off from what I knew then, thank you
@@Untitled_Pribor Or I could just not use an Apple device.
@@SenileOtaku I almost got one of those Android portable consoles before emulators on iOS became a thing, they sure look neat
@@Untitled_PriborHaving done this before, I'm familiar with the 7-day limit. Why did Sean's iPad say 365 days?
Although I don't have an iPad, seeing the Paperlike ad was one of the few cases where I'm like "that was something good to learn about". I'm pointing this out because 99% of sponsorships are for things where the ad annoys me.
Apple: No emulation!
Nintendo: Finally, a worthy opponent!
While it leaves out a very useful function, there are fairly legitimate security concerns with some emulators. Although apple mostly just doesn't want recompiling/JIT stuff where you have blocks of writeable+executable memory. Old style interpreting emulators, like mini vmac should be fine as far as that's concerned. The appstore has retroarch, which might even have a mini vmac core.
@@Aeduo And they only allow even that much emulation because they have the EU breathing down their necks.
@@Aeduo Apple's hatred of emulation on iOS isn't technical, it's political. Their security threat model includes saving the user from themselves (and getting paid 30% for it); so they don't want ANY way to get code into an app that they haven't signed off on. Whether that be malicious code that the app developer is sneaking into a hotfix (like imagine how Uber was hiding spyware functionality from App Review, but delivered in the same way Fortnite shipped direct payments) or completely harmless ROM images a user dumped from their old legit Game Boy cartridges.
There's two exceptions:
- Developer tools (which the App Store guidelines patronizingly call "learn to code" apps), except all the useful entitlements for developer tools are private APIs only Swift Playgrounds is allowed to use, so you really can only ship interpreters
- "Retro console emulators", which is only excepted because Apple has competition in the EU now and didn't want everyone to flock to AltStore PAL right away
The lack of a useful JIT entitlement is downstream of this political decision. Since there's no legitimate (in Apple's eyes) reason to load code into an app, Apple isn't going to give you an entitlement whose sole purpose is to load code into an app.
First time I can agree to a sponsorship. I use that screen protector for a while now and I just love it! Can recommend it to everyone who needs to use a Apple Pencil.
Emulating a Macintosh on iOS/iPadOS Can be legit.
yup, you're right
I’m hoping the AltStore becoming “accessible” means it can become even easier and more legit
@@megatronskneecapwhy not side store? it's all on device
@@_lun4r_even on the ipod?
@@a_nicegaming yeah just need ios
In EU, we have basically any emulator available for iPhones.
Because your government actually cares about consumers
Luckily because of the EU we get to use emulators in the US too.
@@HIDLad001 Here is $100,000 said Tim Cook to Ted Cruz. Remember, the people don't matter. It's the ability for you to make money off them that's important. continued Ted... o we are apple, we know smiled Tim
@@-win-A more comprehensive rewrite:
Tim Cook handed over $100,000 to Ted Cruz under the table. Ted smiled and, looking intently at Tim, said "To hell with the consumers. It's your ability to make money off of them that's the most important." Tim nodded and said "Yeah, we know."
No. iOS still blocks JIT compilation at a technical level (the OS doesn't allow you to map memory pages as executable) for anything except browsers or while connected to a Mac for debugging. That essentially blocks emulation of anything more modern than the PS1.
When I was a kid, my mom used a Mac 128k at work and when she would sometimes take us to her office we would sometimes play the Mac versions of Wheel of Fortune (it was pretty goofy but entertaining and has these tinny, bit-crushed applause and spinning wheel sounds that is stuck in my memory for all time) and Breakout-clone "Brickles" (I liked the Mac-y sounds of that version over Arkanoid for some reason). However, I don't think I've ever found those two specific games on classic Mac software archive sites in all my time running vMac, Basilisk, or QEMU setups.
I played a lot of Brickles in elementary school! I have also looked for it and not found much, but it looks like Macintosh Garden has several iterations of it. I haven't tried any yet bc I don't have an emulator set up.
We also played a lot of a DOS Wheel of Fortune at home and I well remember the sounds and music. Vanna White was a redhead because of the color palettes available!
2:13 , Thank you for demonstrating another great use of the floppy disk in today modern mobile world!
"I want to install Mini vMac on my android phone!" "Sure, just download it!"
"I'd like to install this on my ios device!" Tim Cook/Apple: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Android is moving towards the walled garden approach too... Making it harder to enable sideloading
Why does it stay in portrait when landscape on most iPads is comparable to the original CRT aspect ratios? Just curious.
Seeing that Macintosh II emulation makes me think of when our warehouse at a multimedia software company had an original MacII (this would have bin mid-late 1990's). It was in really rough shape, but I *still* think I should have tried talking them out of it. Probably could have fixed it by now (presuming I wouldn't have lost it in our house fire some years back)
I've been following you for a long time, way before you started showing up on videos. Keep the shenanigans coming!! Love your content, and nice job pronouncing Jesús in spanish by the way 😊
Almost sound like you got a stalker, AR... 👀
"ooh, a ring!" ok. i see ya :D. your urge for loot is still strong after so many years.^^
I would love to see paperlike for popular Android devices. That looks awesome.
Now that brought back memories!
Emulators on iOS are on the AppStore…
Apple has allowed them freely so “apple being strict” isn’t really a thing anymore, this does include apps like UTM for emulating x86 computers and MiniVMac as you’ve shown.
Apple I think was forced due to the EU..
i think that only applies to the EU
@@jasedxyz no, emulators are in the App Store in the US. I have Delta, a GB/GBC/GBA/NDS/N64 emulator by the developer of AltStore on my iPhone. UTM has their SE edition, which lacks JIT, on the App Store, and I've ran Mac OS 9.1 on it with PPC emulation (but it is sloooow).
In theory mini vMac could come to the App Store, but it is possible it'd have to rebrand itself to avoid running afoul of any Apple branding guidelines. There's a community port of Sheepshaver to iOS, but it's… pretty jank compared to this. But it might fair better in a submission if it gets polished?
For what it's worth, InfiniteMac runs in a browser and is very snappy and functional on iPad. You can add it to your Home Screen to use, albeit a current bug causes incorrect screen resolution in "full screen" mode this way.
@@jasedxyzno I’m in the US it works fine
@Butterscotch_96 oh nevermind then
Do you need a VPN though?
Fantastic, Sean! You are always doing something cool here!
"Apple is notoriously against emulators on their app stores and iOS platforms. So I installed one anyway."
baller move from the referee
I wonder if you can hook up a keyboard and program vintage mac Apps on this. Always been an interest of mine.
I would imagine a Bluetooth keyboard should work just fine, I don't know why it wouldn't I suppose
@@CaptainSouthbird I’m talking like a vintage Apple PS2 keyboard for the experience
@@megatronskneecap then an adb or ps2 to bluetooth adapter ... (im sure there are plenty DIY on ESP32/RPi/Arduino boards as well as commercial products)
@@IvnSoft Thanks
@@CaptainSouthbird you can also hook up just a regular USB keyboard (at least if your iPad has a USB c port).
I have a keyboard that has a USB c port and i can use it on my iPad air 4 with the included USB c to c cable
you're telling me, that i might finally have a good use for my old ipad mini 2?!? sweeeeet! i have roms already so i dont have to worry about those haha
To be fair apple doesn't want you to install a lot of stuff lol
Anything they can't take a 30% cut from.
I just purchased a late model 12" Powerbook G4 1.33GHz. with the 8x Superdrive.
Imma clean, restore and max out the RAM (1.25GB) and install an 80GB IDE SSD I have and try to install dual-boot Adélie and MorphOS.
Excited to try to make it usefull again.
Im not a big Apple/Mac guy but the 12" Powerbook G4 is one of the few machines they built Ive alwayse wanted to own.
Apple sueing team en route to your location 😅
I had a ping of nostalgia when the Classic Mac booted. Sniff, sniff.
Rock Paper Pencil from AstroPad is a much better paper-like protector for iPad. It's magnetic so you can take it on and off and it comes with a replacement tip for the pencil to add to the paper like experience.
The Apple II emulator on the Mac might want to be running on a compact Mac, at original resolution and 1-bit b&w, and an older copy of Macintosh system software. I’ve had this exact same issues with some the really old kings quest games. (I think the OS matters most in the equation, it was something about how the drawing code changed, not sure if it was called QuickDraw pre system 7).
Yeah I posted about that myself elsewhere then I saw you had already posted this. Apple ][ in a Mac is definitely 1 bit only but I used to use ][e’s on green screens so that’s more than enough for me! 😊
how cool I might have to try that one one of my Ipads !
Nice. If Mac emulation gets speedy enough it could give new life to my ancient abandoned shareware app… or not.
2:30 very art.
I love that Shufflepuck game so much too. That and Stunt Copter.
Cool. I like OSes which let me do what I want with the hardware I paid for.
This is exactly why I subscribe, splendid :D Maybe time to repurpose an old iPad I have kicking about.
In the infinite consistency of Apple emulating consoles is fine but emulating computers is totally illegal. Because why make sense x)
Paper tomato fights.
i would love to see benchmarks of those emulated macs.
I had no idea it was so easy to sideload now.
POV: You live in the EU and you can install Altserver on your iPhone without a Mac.
That's pretty awesome! I didn't realize that sideloading was that easy either..... is there any way to use that method to force an older (unsigned) iOS perchance? (Asking for a friend ;) )
Would be nice if there was a solid emulator capable of Mac OS 9
Wow. Sideloading. Ive never heard of such a thing.
Is the screen protector easy to remove?
Does it have a landscape mode for better fit?
Now get the Apple Keyboard, and make it a overkill Mac II laptop.
i'm almost entirely convinced this was a long winded excuse for you to be bad at original shulfflepuck anywhere. given how much you enjoy it.
Can this be done with the ppc leopard build? Does it run fast enough to play ppc era games?
The Steves would approve
"Apple would like to know your location"
who's this sussy sean character?
actually,apple finally loosened the emulator restriction 😂
awesome drawing
If you have the Xcode project, why not just build to your iPad and skip the side loading step?
Are you related to the Macintosh Librarian ?
Where did you get the Next on Apple shirt?
Tim Apple clone no 338 has been set in motion and will arrive at your location in three days, 9 hours and 23 seconds.
I suspect the II in a Mac issue was color QuickDraw… try it in Mac Plus mode.
You left bubbles while applying screen protector, i see it
Wait, I’m running RetroArch on my iPad that I downloaded directly from the App Store and it’s loaded with emulation cores. Something doesn’t make sense.
Another one of those things that I think nerds would love to show people from the past in the face if time travel was a thing.
Where can I get a DSK file? I am out of ideas looking
video starts at 3:03
Apple now allows emulators in the Appstore.
I enjoy seeing things that Apple doesn't want to exist, exist.
iOS isn't a walled garden, it's a prison cell.
That's why jailbreaks are called jailbreaks.
@MacBack123 Exactly. That's why it's named rooting in Android. You don't break from a prison, you just get Root user access.
Well you can run Windows, Linux, etc, on a Mac so there's that.
@@flickwtchr not Windows anymore. I really hope apple updates boot camp to support Windows ARM edition.
This Christmas, we thank Jesus for saving us from Apple's prison.
Thank you Jesus Alvarez!
Kind of jarring to see a screen recording from a modern OS on this channel.
also a little facial hair goes a long way, outro looks great!
Would someone be so kind to create a ROM with OutSpoken installed into the system suitcase? Need sighted assistance to drag the extensions into the proper spot. Thank you!
Can you use JIT on emulators? Does this mean you can also run Mac OS Sequoia?!
Now, can you emulate something running Haiku?
Apple: Lets make 2024 1984 🔨
Paper texture: tooth
Too few comments, too many views
any chance you can get IOS running on the iPad?
Im shocked that apple hasn't introduced official emulators then charge for them.
Why did you stop the FrogCam??? HE DIDN'T DESERVE THAT #JUSTICEFORTHEFROGCAM!!!
I still have an image, although it's reporting december fifth 4:36 p.m.
Maybe the pi has been... Sampled?
Same. I've kept it on an open tab and checked on it from day to day. The other days after it stopped I didn't notice anything wrong
and if i don’t have the + icon in my apps section?
Apple police OPEN UP!!
How fun!
Didn’t they allow emulators on the app store a few months ago?
Any news on Minivmac’s creator?
The brand loyalty people have for Apple kind of reminds me of Stockholm Syndrome!
I'd say something "huh duh apple bad, give emulators", but my experience with my experience with personal computer emulators on Android has been terrible. Unusable without an external keyboard and mouse, unless your software can be fully controlled with a joystick.
But huh duh apple bad, allow console emulators.
Just leave Apple!
I've got a paper-style(non-branded) screen protector on a Surface, and the parts he says are true, but it's taken on a permanent smudge just from trying to use the eraser end of my pen, my nibs wear out insanely quick, and the screen feels less sensitive. Maybe the fancier ones are better about those things, idk, but there are definitely trade-offs vs tempered glass. Still worth trying if you don't like the feeling of trying to draw on glass.
I think apple is going to get you next time
But can it run THINK C.
Benchmark it😂😂😂
They allow emulators now
LMAO "its pretty easy to find on the internet" literally shows you downloading it from the github
Imagine not being allowed to install the software you want on the computer hardware you own!
It's going to become more and more prevalent if we don't demand an end to it right NOW. Of course, if the WEF had their way, you wouldn't even own the computer either.
Nice
Shuffle Puck? ROGUE? What is this foolishness? Play Nethack like a man. There ain't no amulet of Yendor in those other games.
It's 2024, why do iPads still do that stupid thing where they run some apps at a phone resolution?
now try utm with android x86
Why does this seem a lot like side loading on android its basically the same thing
Did everyone see this one?
th-cam.com/video/Grd_a4oi7qU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=SxO_Yro_c7nL_5DQ
It’s the flat Mac prototype brought to life!