QUIT Ubiquiti?! These WAPs are EnGenius! - Part 2

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  • @Level1Techs
    @Level1Techs  4 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Wendell:
    I've been a little forlorn with Ubiquiti stuff lately (especially for high-end home/soho stuff) so I thought I'd get EnGenius a try. They're Senao hardware with EnGenius special sauce and branding. I am very impressed with the hardware, so far, but the software has a bit to go. Full review of the ECW120, ECW240 and PoE+ switch ECS1112FP and PoE++ switch ECS2512FP coming soon.
    Hello everyone! This is part 2 of the POE video we did recently.
    It goes through installation, known bugs, and tips.
    Let me know your thoughts :) ~Editor Amber

    • @100radsbar
      @100radsbar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I use Fritz!Box 7590, 2 FritzWLAN 1750 repaters, and one 3000 Repeater in Mesh, and i have no issues covering my house (basement, ground floor, and first floor. Each floor, including the basement is approx 95 square meter. I bundle the 2.4Ghz, and 5 Ghz in one SSID, and the devices figure out whether to use either one, often going to 2.4 Ghz when you move out of reach of 5 Ghz. I have approx. a little over 900-950 square meter property where my house stands. I have no issues getting WiFi coverage in my garden. On average my Wifi has 500-600 Mbit/s which is 5x times my internet connection (100Mbit/s Fiber). Handover between the devices is as far as I can tell pretty seamless.

    • @UberArchangel
      @UberArchangel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      When did you get a Nessy shirt?

    • @ig33ku
      @ig33ku 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Forgot to turn on the aircon?

    • @cdoublejj
      @cdoublejj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      cloud based????? why not look at say netgear insight as well? they have competitevley price switches and APs. hell netgears has switches HALF the cost of ubiq when looking at PoE+ AND 10G uplinks! hell TP link has STRAIGHT clone Unifi with decent prices! grant it i buy all my unifi used for decent prices if i i hunt. D link, netgear and tp link units have been running fine for me. no heavy use on their management though.

    • @cdoublejj
      @cdoublejj 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      THIS IS WHY I SUBSCRIBE!!!!

  • @MrSidiox
    @MrSidiox 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    The very reason I do like Ubiquiti is because I can run the controller in my own network and it can enroll new APs without any internet. I wouldn't want my APs internet controlled!

  • @brunosalezze
    @brunosalezze 4 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    I understand Wendell's points but EnGenious has some deal breakers for me:
    1 - Cloud register per AP - This is nothing eco friendly, only generates e-wate, destroys the second hand market and resell value. I like to keep an ap for 2-3 years and upgrade it.
    2 - WTF you cant stop the device to keep trying to update? In unifi, if a update doesn't work, you can always 'dont try again', and if the current firmware is unstable, just roll back!
    3 - Beta channel by default is not acceptable for a production env.
    4 - If isn't broken, dont upgrade the firmware, unless is stable LTS or you dont care about you can risk your network stability atm.
    The controller update that Ubiquiti pushed a month ago was BETA, not RC or Stable, anyone who upgrades to this versions could expect ir.
    I'm not a Ubiquiti defender, I have problems with the lack of focus and some broken products as well but they grew kinda too fast and started trying too many things. The current stuff in EA I find interesting to look forward.

    • @jpw5996
      @jpw5996 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rollback isnt that uncomplicated and i didnt realize that update was beta... Now im suffering from disconnects with my ac ap pros

    • @Geopirate3
      @Geopirate3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jpw5996 You can roll back. The cloud situation with this really turns me off though. Unifi isn't great, but as long as you stick to stable updates of their APs you are fine. I'm still looking at a unifi pow switch because I'll never light up more than 3 or 4 poe devices.

    • @brunosalezze
      @brunosalezze 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Geopirate3 The switches and APs are really solid, Routers I dont like and neither use it. But with just aps and switches you can manage your network really well through the controller.

    • @Gaming_Biker
      @Gaming_Biker 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Brad Smith For my application, the USG-PRO-4 works fine & will continue to be my router until I put more time into learning pfSense. I like how solid the Unifi switches & APs are built, but I'm not a fan of being used as a beta tester, so I update LTS firmware when I need to & I won't ever buy Ubiquiti equipment as they drop. The Dream Machine Pro is one of a few examples of why. I'll look into EnGenius, but not totally sold yet.

    • @EduardoReyesDPM
      @EduardoReyesDPM 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Gaming_Biker I bought a unifi router once... Didn't offer a simple way to clone the Mac address for a cable modem and sent it right back... Pfsense for the last few years no regrets

  • @alexatkin
    @alexatkin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +499

    Am I the only person who DOESN'T want my LAN to be cloud controlled? The only time I want my WAP going online is for firmware updates.

    • @NobleHays
      @NobleHays 4 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      I don't even want it pulling the update. You're local controller should push to APs, the APs themselves should never phone home

    • @kcocgibkcusuoy
      @kcocgibkcusuoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      Same here. Really not happy with the direction of this stuff. UniFi is borderline, but at least you can have a controller on-prem (for now, at least). But, stuff like EnGenius, Meraki, Verkada (cameras, but, same thing)... All MUST phone home and get nerfed or lose all functionality if they lose connection with the mother ship. Gross.

    • @alangarde2928
      @alangarde2928 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      They do seem to have an on-prem managed version, EnSky Pro, with a VM or hardware device to manage them. It'd be interesting to know how stand-alone it is.

    • @kcocgibkcusuoy
      @kcocgibkcusuoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alangarde2928 dang it. I missed that during my initial poke around their website.

    • @nukedathlonman
      @nukedathlonman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      No your def. not the only one - I don't either. I'm a firm believer that certain things don't belong on a remote cloud (esp. networking configuration information) - it's asking for too much trouble.

  • @TeckieWeckie
    @TeckieWeckie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +240

    WAP has been ruined for me.

    • @rednammoc
      @rednammoc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      They had to drown so many poor kittens to do so...

    • @pkt1213
      @pkt1213 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I wouldn't have know what you meant before yesterday. 3 minutes of my life wasted.

    • @WafflesOinc
      @WafflesOinc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@pkt1213 I’m sorry for your eyes and ears

    • @breakupgoogle
      @breakupgoogle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      i still have a mop and bucket ready

    • @Gaming_Biker
      @Gaming_Biker 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pkt1213 It wasn't yesterday for me, but same.

  • @dangerousmythbuster
    @dangerousmythbuster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Can I host my own controller with EnGenius? I'd rather not depend on the manufacturer's cloud services for my equipment. At least with a controller I host, I can control what versions I'm running on all the equipment. Because of that, I wasn't affected by Ubiquiti's recent mistake that was the version 6 release. My controllers are still on version 5.

  • @Dexter55999
    @Dexter55999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've got ubiquiti ac pro and ac lr in my house (with the ac lr-6 on the way) and have no complaints.

  • @rush2489
    @rush2489 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I use ruckus APs and switches at home. Lath and plaster home as well, a single R730 gets coverage everywhere. Their antennas are amazing.
    Their unleashed product is great even for medium sized businesses. I deploy them all over.
    Also not happy with ubiquity at the moment, we are trying out fortinet aps recently, time will tell if they are good.

  • @nadpro16
    @nadpro16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I think its funny I just replaced my EnGenius with Ubiquity because EnGenius was giving me to many issues....lol

    • @jay-uo2bi
      @jay-uo2bi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Ubiquiti has been perfect for me. Never had any issues. Just a couple times AC Pro needed a restart and that's it.

    • @levielbers8585
      @levielbers8585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      got lots of trouble on new products of ubiquiti. Quality is not as good as it was in early years. EnGenius cloud solution just blows my mind after 6 months of adoption

    • @marksapollo
      @marksapollo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@levielbers8585 Me too and I only have an AP point and a UDM and I've ditched it to go back to my Google WiFi! But I only use it at home.

  • @SuperTimeStretch
    @SuperTimeStretch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    As someone that uses both professionally, I have to say there's no competition. Ubiquiti does everything better and lasts longer. Engenius WAPs last a year, if that.

    • @1Vaudevillian1
      @1Vaudevillian1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      engenius waps I have installed all have lasted years. Hell I got 2 at hope that are 6 years old and still trucking along. But yes you will run into the odd lemon.

    • @killabandit
      @killabandit 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Umm no. And lots of buggy issues with ubi

  • @madspaz77098
    @madspaz77098 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    So engenius hosts the api gateway and gets your utilization info? No to keen on that... Can you host the gateway yourself?

    • @jay-uo2bi
      @jay-uo2bi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And?

    • @halo64654
      @halo64654 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jay-uo2bi What do you mean "And"?

    • @ADKAdmin
      @ADKAdmin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The alternative to their API is their EzMaster controller software or their cloud key solution

    • @cdoublejj
      @cdoublejj 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ADKAdminreally!? is it like unifi or tp link omada?

  • @Tb0n3
    @Tb0n3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    It doesn't seem like there's a lot of info around Mikrotik. Have you considered doing a series on them, or comparing their capabilities to other brands?

    • @oldschool1079
      @oldschool1079 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      yes, Mikrotik while not so user-friendly in the beginning and has some steep learning curve, is actually one of those best bang for the buck products, be it for home, Soho, or mid-size company network product. I hated learning everything I needed to set up the everything i wanted out of it, but once you do, you never look back, especially if you want a rock-solid product with enterprise features that usually cost arm and a leg as Wendell pointed out *cough Cisco cough*

    • @wiziek
      @wiziek 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@oldschool1079 Lol midsize company, you must be thinking about rather small scale. Mikrotik is budget product, just like Ubiquiti.

    • @aalvarez711
      @aalvarez711 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      +1 for Mikrotik

    • @nachtschatt3n
      @nachtschatt3n 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      - 1 for Mikrotik I only had bad experiences with them.

    • @nachtschatt3n
      @nachtschatt3n 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@emeraldbonsai The Mikrotik switches with SwOS really have some problems with STP/VLAN usw and the bug are not fixed for years. Out of the 10 routers I used 3 of them were crashing without any reason after a week.

  • @vincei4252
    @vincei4252 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Calling home? No thanks.

  • @walterwhite2270
    @walterwhite2270 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude...thank you for this episode. About 5 years ago a network buddy and I worked together on doing a couple of small office upgrades on switches and wireless. He recommended the Engenius AP and I have used them exclusively since. I have done a 2.5 acre compound with solid concrete walls with a main house/basement and a huge dance hall and used all the Engenius AP and it has worked very well. I have other who swear by Ubiquiti but all I hear is complaints from the users (yes it could be the installation that is causing problems). Again thanks for doing this video. I like Engenius products and I am getting ready to redo my house with POE, Cameras and AP....
    One last thing. Glad to hear someone else say that they want a faster backbone than what most people put in. They don't realize how nice it is to transfer files between systems at higher speeds. I even looked for switches that had a huge backbone speed between ports so I could transfer files between devices on the same switch without bogging it down.

  • @alphabanks
    @alphabanks 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We deploy Ubiquiti AC Pro's in office and warehouse environments. Note I stated industrial warehouse environments where it's hot, cold, and dusty. We have zero problems with the gear performance is great.

  • @ApexOT
    @ApexOT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Solid info. I'm still holding off upgrading my APs till wifi6 becomes more standard on end devices.

    • @colinpye1430
      @colinpye1430 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’ve been seeing too much politics lately. I first read that as Wife 6!

    • @bayareanewman1566
      @bayareanewman1566 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@colinpye1430 hey leave Melania out of this! .... okay okay I’ll see myself out 😂

  • @xlUIblisUlx
    @xlUIblisUlx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Disillusioned, not disenfranchised. Love the content!

    • @ruagod
      @ruagod 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or disenchanted, perhaps?

  • @user-cm3wd5hk1p
    @user-cm3wd5hk1p 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have some speed/connection issues with my Ubiquiti AP in the house. My outdoor one works great. My Router in the main house is just the ER-X while I have an EdgeSwitch 8-150 in the GarOffice for my Outdoor POE powered AP and all my devices in there.(couple printers, couple computers, Streaming boxes, etc.). After watching this I am tempted to stay on the UI Router and Switch and get the EnGenius AP for the house to test it out.

  • @Zomby_Woof
    @Zomby_Woof 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Won't go through lathe & plaster?
    Thats why I bought my first engenius radios back about 10 years ago.
    I had a site where an additional building was added, and we needed connectivity.
    A VPN meant going through Comcast limited upload.
    Dsl was the only other option.
    Couldn't put an antenna on the roof.
    Couldn't trench.
    No Los through building windows.
    Ended up getting a pair of 1000mw ap's in bridge mode with sector antennas.
    Shot bridge link out the window of one building through a brick wall into the other.
    Got about 48mbit across the link on 802.11g.

  • @gtwannabe2
    @gtwannabe2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Unifi doesn't manage client handoff between APs; all roaming decisions are made by the client device. The Unifi APs also don't do active RF monitoring and just select a free channel on startup. Enterprise APs like my Aruba IAP-325s at the office have both of those features. But they also cost 8x more than a Unifi AP. A newer laptop with a decent (aka Intel) AC/AX WiFi card will roam just fine on Unifi but old/crappy WiFi devices may have trouble.

  • @loganedmonds7125
    @loganedmonds7125 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I recently moved a client from older EnGenius APs to Ubiquiti. The VLAN tagging for guest wifi networks seemed to be much easier to implement for Ubiquiti as when I tired to implement it on the older Engenius models it would not tag correctly. It could just be a difference in generations though as the EnGenius AP's were 5+ years old. I'll have to keep an eye on it for the future. Thanks Wendell!

  • @mick3yoroz586
    @mick3yoroz586 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve been rocking my ubiquiti AP and security gateway for almost two years, zero issues. Rock solid!

  • @altmindo
    @altmindo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "cloud managed" is a guarantee that the device will be dead at some point. and standalone devices live faaaar past their eol dates.

  • @JaytheP
    @JaytheP 4 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Lmao we all know Wendell is a master of WAPs

  • @MADBONE0
    @MADBONE0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Currently learning about CCNA WiFi networking and RADUS server at TAFE
    This just made my day :D

  • @Kocken87
    @Kocken87 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Small quick tip on terminating RJ45 for everyone. Pull the TP's out slightly out so that when you correct for length and push the plug on, the jacket slides neatly inside and gets locked at the back of the plug. Easy and makes it want to twist and kink less with the added rigidity from the jacket.

  • @Robuster82
    @Robuster82 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cisco does provide innovation in wireless products with location services. These cheaper suppliers don’t offer these extended services - especially where location services is important.

  • @johncnorris
    @johncnorris 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wendell: "Cisco, I mean, they know what they are doing..."
    Me 3/4 of the way through a Cisco bridge call when the network engineer states, "It's the end of my shift and I will be passing you to an overseas support center": Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

    • @MikeDawson1
      @MikeDawson1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      did you at least get to hear Opus Number 1 during the transfer?

    • @johncnorris
      @johncnorris 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MikeDawson1 - It's the tech version of being Rick Rolled!

    • @btschaegg
      @btschaegg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That statement confuses me, too. I mean it feels like not a single week goes by without yet another hard coded Cisco password or some other vulnerability. I seriously doubt that they know what they're doing.

  • @davidg4512
    @davidg4512 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    What about the "on-premise" access points and not their cloud managed?

    • @davidg4512
      @davidg4512 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @aussiebear22 looks like a cloudkey. The question is, how far can it scale?

  • @bgreene65g
    @bgreene65g 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a networking professional. I have removed alot!!! Of those junk enguinus ap's and installed Unifi. No roaming issues, no random drops.

    • @novice46
      @novice46 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What equipment would be your recommendation for bridging 600Mbps over 1 mile with few tree tops in the middle of the path? Thanks

  • @rdmclark
    @rdmclark 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I cant stand having cloud management, then thy go away or thy charge for cloud management you have a brick. I been looking at Ruckus Unleashed gear

  • @jamesmcmahonii8433
    @jamesmcmahonii8433 4 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @tld8102
    @tld8102 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the design on your shirt. Its very subtle and low key.
    Unless it's sweat.

  • @Pabula
    @Pabula 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We need this type of videos to continue, like a series testing network gear, specially Access Points with mesh and handouts.
    I like Ubiquiti a lot, but i also think they are sleeping in their laurels, while others might be getting better. Try to ask for samples of the following
    - TP-Link Deco X90 (or X60)
    - Aruba AP-515
    - ASUS - ZenWiFi AX
    - Cisco Catalyst 9115AXI-B
    - NETGEAR Orbi Whole Home Tri-Band Mesh WiFi 6 System

  • @abdulsadiq8873
    @abdulsadiq8873 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    2020, the year that redefined WAP.

  • @michaelhanson5773
    @michaelhanson5773 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:08 confused me a bit. You said 2.5Gbit uplink while your mouse pointers are pointing to the 2.4GHz and 5GHz frequency indicators on the AP. Does the AP actually have a link indicator to show 1Gbit/2.5Gbit links?

  • @StephanLiebenberg
    @StephanLiebenberg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Man our Ubiquity system just randomly started dropping its access points from the mesh, no change on our end, save for the firmware update. So frustrating.

  • @boltonjulian646
    @boltonjulian646 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My ubiquiti cloudkey can't recover from a crash last week. All configurations and logs are gone. The cloud solution might be worth a try. I guess EnGenius Cloud should also support redudancy and high availability?

    • @pierrelynstrong9081
      @pierrelynstrong9081 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, talked to their support yesterday, redudancy and HA are basic for cloud service.

    • @livolsen4061
      @livolsen4061 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's exactly what I'm worry about. Controller hardware won't sustain forever.

  • @Mr.Leeroy
    @Mr.Leeroy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Level1Techs 2020: Cloud-crippled network equipment
    TekSyndicate 2020 (in alternate universe): build your own x86 Linux Access Point using spare hardware and HostAPd
    What the heck, Wendell?

  • @samwong9494
    @samwong9494 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I got a Cloudkey Gen 2+ and it runs pretty damn hot. Heat likely killed the backup battery. One update caused the rackmount kit to corrupt the database and it reset to factory, emmc and SD card (with my config backups) wiped. My RPi controller worked better. Only reason I even got this was due to Unifi Video being replaced by Unifi Protect and the latter currently (likely won't ever) does not allow you to run your own hardware.
    Ubiquiti needs to stop expanding their product lineup and focus on making their core products better first. Mikrotik is looking like a much better solution right now if they continue emulating Google's graveyard.

    • @Wahinies
      @Wahinies 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nearly all UI products run hot. They are also sensitive to power fluctuations. The founder that left Apple basically brought thermal and power regulation ideals with him. I am only in love with the UAPs and bridges, none of the other UI products.

    • @samwong9494
      @samwong9494 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Wahinies Yeah I've had good experience with their APs, esp with the UAP-AC and later models. Only complain is that rubber coating they use on some models; it melts and dust sticks on it.

  • @theshadowduke
    @theshadowduke 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like tp-link WAP because I don't need a separate controller or one of their routers. I can log into the WAP itself or run the controller software off a server. APs don't phone home unless I want them to check for firmware.

  • @stranger7968
    @stranger7968 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    13:47 that was probably a very painful experience. Arranging wires in the correct order and then crimping them all in the air above head.

    • @CR-ke6pz
      @CR-ke6pz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah, my thoughts that moment: how the f*ck is he doing that this fast?

    • @glennburton1536
      @glennburton1536 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CR-ke6pz I would guess EZ-RJ45 (and some slick video edits :-) ). Strip and poke through and a single crimp and cut.

  • @jay-uo2bi
    @jay-uo2bi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ubiquiti Wifi 6 aps comming soon, starting at 99usd. Aircube is for WISP clients.

  • @axeman3d
    @axeman3d 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I got stung by the AP-AC Pro's. Installed dozens in a corporate HQ and then 6 months later they were no longer supported on the controllers! Screwed.

  • @arimcbrown
    @arimcbrown 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Wendell: Just wondering, what kind of controller do you use? I've eliminated my UCK and switched to a docker container running on a mini server/NUC, and it's much more responsive.

    • @tin2001
      @tin2001 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've always just used a Debian container with the repo added. Never really got excited by the cloud key idea.

    • @arimcbrown
      @arimcbrown 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tin2001 it’s called cloud, but you can keep it all local though. Also, it mitigates the roaming and personally i love the centralized configuration. Also, for those prices & support, I wouldn’t call them home-tier gear. All the meshed stuff basically is though. Still have the old UCK laying around, but since I have a NUC running it has the compute power of at least 10 rbp’s... together with Docker... Great stuff 🙂

  • @CatStroller
    @CatStroller 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I tried an Engenius AP at home back around 2012 and had nothing but problems. Had to reboot it at least once a week, but 8 years is at least 2 eternities in IT, so I'd be willing to try them again if they don't force you to use their cloud.

  • @SoundOfWaveform
    @SoundOfWaveform 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Funny that you make this I actually just upgraded my home to a pair of EnGenius EWS357AP a week ago. I went with the on prem APs with their ezMaster controller since I am highly skeptical of cloud solutions but they have been reliable with good performance so far. Nice to see them get some attention.

  • @Odyseja2011
    @Odyseja2011 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ubiquiti for sure slept on their own success for awhile. USG is one of such products that should get an upgrade unless you run it with less then 100 Mb uplink.

    • @anasel-mahdi2185
      @anasel-mahdi2185 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      An upgrade to the USG is currently in the works it’s called UXG Pro and in early access

  • @mjmeans7983
    @mjmeans7983 ปีที่แล้ว

    What was the problem that SFP modules solved (that couldn't be solved with lower cost options) other than a way to nickel and dime people by making them pay for extra adapters?

  • @mikebarber1
    @mikebarber1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've go Aruba IAP-315's in my house. They automatically form a cluster on a local network and all share the same config. One AP is elected to be the controller so there is nothing in the cloud to worry about. If the controlling AP goes offline another will be elected to become the controller.
    I haven't had any issues with handoffs between AP's and they can be purchased from sites like eBay for not insane prices.

    • @xerr0n
      @xerr0n 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      have those as well, like the clustering too, but they seem to be limited compared with my mikrotik setup.
      i also haven't found the channel width choice menu on arubas, its a bit of a mystery for me right now....

    • @yulis005
      @yulis005 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ive been using aruba iap315 & iap225 as AP with mikrotik rb3011 as firewall router. moved out from ubiquiti environment. no regret at all as aruba + mikrotik pair have been excellent!

  • @AdamMuhle
    @AdamMuhle 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can't you just use the mounting ring as a drill template even if you aren't going to use the ring? From the video, the holes look to be on the same diameter as the slots but it's hard to tell for certain.

  • @colinpye1430
    @colinpye1430 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Multi part video, okay. Different names for the parts and no links to the others? Bad puppy!

  • @magoostus
    @magoostus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I own no ubiquity gear but all of my encounters with ubiquity gear has been failures. It's nice to know of other good options out there

  • @oomblik
    @oomblik 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We upgraded the entire network with MIKROTIK, best decision. Cant beat there value for money. Enterprise functionality and performance at retail/residential price. Needs a bit of getting used to RouterOS but lots of support resources on web and youtube.

  • @thowd11
    @thowd11 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im buying these. I have had some issues in my house with Ubiquiti and have been looking for a change.

  • @NikitaLab
    @NikitaLab 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ruckus Unleashed is showing a lot of potential especially with the switch management that they've added to it.

  • @nvxwax1785
    @nvxwax1785 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a full unifi stack and have had no problems but I do not like the cloud connection they are going to, I have a udm pro and I was very let down with the cloud part, I'm looking I to mikrotik for a revamp of my setup, glad I did not already start upgrading to the new line of unifi switches

  • @DocNo27
    @DocNo27 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm sticking with my own firewalls with pfsense/opnsense still too. I've yet to find anyone who can match - and absolutely not the UBNT USG's - the newest UXG Pro doesn't even support config.json - at least with the config.json hacking around you could make the USGs somewhat serviceable. Releasing newer products with less functionality. Brilliant.

    • @christopherfoote3395
      @christopherfoote3395 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. If Ubiquity ever makes a real firewall that would be icing on the cake. The UDM is a step in the right direction but it still is lacking.

  • @OtnerNaut
    @OtnerNaut 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    13:25
    We're reaching Steve Ballmer levels! Get this man a towel!

  • @marnez390
    @marnez390 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So for the non It person lol I'm sick of the consumer wifi garbage routers for my home with several wireless devices and one HD connected to my router for personal file streaming. Someone told me get a prosumer router. I typed it and it brought me here. I clearly see this is not at my level of knowledge. I know nothing about these access points etc, but I do want a better more reliable wifi router. What would you recommend?

  • @Mil-Keeway
    @Mil-Keeway 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:33 I've had that issue before on some trash consumer AP (we were a poor startup), AFAIK it was an issue with the AP thinking it knew better what the subnet mask was and limiting our /21 down to /24... so some devices received their data (our servers on static, low, easy to remember IPs) and some others with long-term dynamic DHCP leases (we had fleets of raspberry pis) the AP didn't know where to send, since it didn't have its ARP/routing table or whatever built up correctly. Switched to Mikrotik and everything was great after that.

  • @LanceThumping
    @LanceThumping 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm running 2 Unifi AP-AC-Lites on running along the spine of the house and they've been working well for me so far.
    I've managed to avoid too many software issues by lagging on my upgrades :P But if the EnGenius software is better I'm curious because the Unifi Controller software is pretty good already.
    Is the EAP1300 comparable or a straight upgrade because I think it's around the same price bracket as what I paid for my WAPs awhile back.

  • @kylecostlow1
    @kylecostlow1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had unexplainable wifi dropouts that I attribute to my Engenius AP's. I setup a secondary wifi network with Unifi AP's and switched my users to it, and the problem stopped. They were from 2016 so maybe the new stuff is better, or maybe I just have some lemons.

  • @AgentLokVokun
    @AgentLokVokun 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like my Unifi gear. I have a HD Nano + ER-X + Rpi w/ mgmt server on it.
    Only moderate complaint is wanting 2.5GbE backbone for local backups. Literally nothing from Unifi is 2.5 GbE+PoE. And 10GbE is $40+/port.
    For a small time homelabber I might go with the QNAP unmanaged switch (QNAP QSW-1105-5T) to fix that. If I was doing it all over again I'd totally look at EnGenius.

  • @sandsquid
    @sandsquid 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's Ubiquiti's apparent connection drops that's frustrating. It sometimes sends me on a troubleshooting wild goose chase. I hope their stuff calms down soon but right now it's still an issue.

  • @senzelian
    @senzelian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video!
    Do you have any experience with Aruba / HP networking gear? I've seen that they got a lot of different hardware for sale and a lot of it seems quite affordable, but its equally confusing.

  • @Gastell0
    @Gastell0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They all really need to start supporting IoT gateway in their AP's, EnOcean, Zigbee, Z-Wave, what else is also there?
    Aruba supports EnOcean already, which is great since it covers all possible home automation cases.

  • @samuelschwager
    @samuelschwager 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "the future of ... stuff" Wendell is such a poet!

  • @WhitmanEntertainment
    @WhitmanEntertainment 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Wendell, you mentioned Ruckus in this video which I am curious about, how would you say their system handles compared to Ubiquiti and EnGenius?

  • @jammetortiz808
    @jammetortiz808 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just use OpenWRT-able devices at home. 802.11k/v/r has been perfect and 802.11s (wireless mesh) werks fine. even has WPA3.

  • @SumGuyV5
    @SumGuyV5 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    802.11AX is nice but were is my AF and AH. I need to connect to my wifi from my secret concrete bunker or be connect to my network when I am out scavenging in the wasteland.

  • @not12listen
    @not12listen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The question that needs to be addressed: which device(s) offer DFS compliance?
    In a apartment type situation, having a WAP without DFS is a recipe significant lag/delay.

  • @chrispedrick1
    @chrispedrick1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is reminding me of Open Mesh. Great in idea and simplicity for setup but hardware had 20%-30% failure rate for me. After 15 locations with multiple AP's per site, it was a deal breaker. No money in going back to site to replace what was recently installed on warranty repair.

  • @Walterz930
    @Walterz930 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video I have just started my ubiquity network at my partners house now looking at doing it at my place but won’t be for a little while cos of work situation then with getting scammed on eBay ordering a access ubiquity home router and it coming bricked and eBay won’t do anything as the eBay seller has closed there account so with nothing coming in I can not do it at the moment

  • @BrianThomas
    @BrianThomas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:27 It's funny. You say that you don't need the AP's unless you have 50 people in your house, but with a lot of IOT devices that are WIFI enabled. It's almost just as having 50 people in your house.

  • @jensenmoller7372
    @jensenmoller7372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Anyone tired of running on-prem controller and experience hardware or firmware crash like me? Meraki is too expansive for me. This one looks like a good alternative.

    • @semgossen1728
      @semgossen1728 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Got 5 EnGenius Cloud APs running in my office. Man, once you go cloud, you never go back.

    • @joyadamson5660
      @joyadamson5660 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Used to enjoy unifi controller but suffers a lot in recent update.

    • @brunoivan2888
      @brunoivan2888 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here. It's like NAS vs google drive. Of course you can spend a lot of time to maintain your own controller. However, cloud would always be more efficient and easier to use.

    • @kylebutler5924
      @kylebutler5924 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      True. Cloud management is more robust and secure today.

    • @branmaas329
      @branmaas329 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That damn 6.0.20 version of unifi almost killed me. Laughs in EnGenius Cloud here.

  • @christopherbarron8730
    @christopherbarron8730 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How's TP Link? I needed a WAP that has a DHCP server built-in. I know that sounds really weird; just buy a router dummy. But I needed the dish reflector style directional antenna and a WAP is a nice package for me and the right cost.

    • @TonnyCassidy
      @TonnyCassidy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      never go tp link, 98%disappointment, the only thing that works okay is their dumb switch which i still use here, the router and ap is just a garbage

  • @sambergin6225
    @sambergin6225 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just found your channel, thanks! We’re an MSP that has used Meraki exclusively up to this point. I’m curious about 2 things with enGenius:
    1. Do you worry at all about their business model if they’re not charging any sort of ongoing subscription?
    2. Have you had any experience with enGenius firewalls? Do they even make them?
    I’m currently testing Zyxel Nebula. They offer a full stack (firewall, switches, APs). Really trying to get the Meraki-like consistency and simplicity in the cloud dashboard of a lower priced product line.

  • @ParanoidMarvinMk2
    @ParanoidMarvinMk2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Any comments on TP-Link equipment as another alternative?

    • @tarfeef_4268
      @tarfeef_4268 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In standalone mode, I've had great success. But that's a pretty boring use case. Range was notably excellent though (EAP245 AC1750)

  • @oldschool1079
    @oldschool1079 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    everybody should hire Wendell as the consultant because they need that *What are you doing* guy from making crap products. Great video as always. Give us moar of this stuff.

  • @brbubba
    @brbubba 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! Ubiquiti went to crud. Every new update would just degrade performance or something else would break. Ran their cloud controller on a Ubuntu server and they never updated software to work with the latest packages. They didn't want anyone using their controller without buying a hardware controller. Tons and tons of issues during a migration. Just never ending problems across the board. Flashed my Ubiquiti APs to openwrt and removed their controller from my network, never looked back. Oh and I also had their gateway which would lock up every couple weeks due to thermal issues. Threw that away too.
    Only thing I wish Engenius hardware had was the second ethernet port that bridged the incoming line.

  • @TomMorris1
    @TomMorris1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ruckus unleashed might be a good option to try as well, as it doesn't have a cloud dependency AFAIK.

  • @ferrisr
    @ferrisr 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Speaking to your point on the switch rebooting during firmware upgrades - does that actually kill the PoE layer? I know my Ubiquiti switches leave PoE up while rebooting for firmware updates. So the APs will lose connectivity, but not power, so if they're in the middle of installing an already-downloaded firmware, no worries.

  • @YaFunklord
    @YaFunklord 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you combine engenius + ubiquiti products with OpenWRT, avoid the condescending configuration software and also have better handoff?

  • @comfysofa1549
    @comfysofa1549 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ive taken a punt and bought an ecw120. Ive started running a pfsense router to learn on. I just read through the comments and i do agree with the cloud argument but thought id give the 2 cents....
    First and foremost i think although i cant confirm that you can actually log in and administer these locally...i can go to the ap's webpage and theres a username and password....earlier when i was messing around with it i did a full reboot and killed the power to the lan port and when it was initializing it came up with another name (i didnt make a note but) i think thats the local admin username....ill post back on that one...
    I am impressed (cloud interface arguments aside) its got really good range (at the top of a 4 storey house and my sons phone still picks up a signal in the basement....weak but it does it. Ive ordered another one to go in the basement and face upwards....that should give me 100% coverage. Ive never heard of them before (i was about to buy a ubquiti) but didnt like fact of having to buy a cloud key.

  • @ejueju
    @ejueju 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    MikroTik is a lot more hands on. It doesn't have these pretty web dashboards with "smart" firewall etc, you have to know what you are doing. No cloud management. It hase CapsMan for central wifi ap management, a bit ruff around edges, but you can do a lot. RouterOS runs on almost all they're devices with same capabilities. Fearlly frequent software updates, with chage-logs, you do get bugs like with everybody else. New products sometime are not weary stable with existing software version, also similar to other vendors.

  • @ASpec360
    @ASpec360 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video came at just the right time, as I've been shopping around for a Ubiquiti/Unify system lately to improve my household wifi. Very useful information, and gives me a better idea of alternatives 👍

    • @christopherfoote3395
      @christopherfoote3395 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Go with Ubiquity. I've installed both Ubiquity and EnGenius in multiple locations for clients and also manage the networks for them. As far as Wifi hand off and coverage I'm calling BS on that. The difference is that you have more configuration options and features for Ubiquity compared to EnGenius. Yeah you just plug and play Ubiquity but to get an optimal experience with multiple access points you have to tune it. I have all Ubiquity in my house now. I've had EnGenius and SonicWall Firewall along with their access points previously.

  • @danielgillett4215
    @danielgillett4215 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, can I use the Engenius WAPS with our exsisting Ubiquity POE+ switch? I currenty have the Unifi Cloud Key Gen 2 controller and AP AC-Pro and have nothing but issues, I have updated the firmware and have issues with DHCP and I'm tired of rebooting these over and over...

  • @soorajy4181
    @soorajy4181 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it really ubiquity or unifi..?

  • @keyboard_g
    @keyboard_g 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Disappointed in the Ubiquity DreamMachine Pro having software issues and a lame internal switch that can’t band ports together. I have home asus routers from a decade ago that can do that.
    But hey, UI Doorbells!

  • @notsure7874
    @notsure7874 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They do give you a template. That plastic ring. No need to print on cardboard.

  • @droidchevere
    @droidchevere 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So I bought two EWS377AP after watching this video . One of them only connects at 1/100 link speeds with the switch . The other does full 1gbps . I’ve had to reset settings on the one that doesn’t keep the 1gbps link . Both are on the latest firmware. I was wondering if there was an easy fix . It seems like I can get the one to connect at 1gbps until it’s unplugged and then I have to try again with the factory rest and restring default settings .

  • @Solkre82
    @Solkre82 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So if their cloud service is completely down, you can still manage locally with CLI and WebGUI. Would you consider the product under these conditions only?

  • @createanddestroy
    @createanddestroy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about Aruba AP's? We deploy these frequently, without physical controller (virtual controller on the AP's themselves) and with physical controllers ... No cloud blabla needed. Switches without decent cli are just worthless imho.

  • @dustinkrejci6142
    @dustinkrejci6142 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What would be recommendations for an ultra dense WiFi for a wisp setup in a Internet as a service format with the ap outside?
    Think a fair setting but as as a wisp in second world countries as the customer primary home internet service in the slums.
    So network hardware recommendations. 10 GB backbone is a must in my wisp setup.

  • @hillppari
    @hillppari 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats with those amazon links? Redirects to wrong products

  • @raresmalene5569
    @raresmalene5569 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    would you be willing to do a router overview as well?

  • @nellermann
    @nellermann 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    used a lot of EnGenius for a few years, then the business partners thought they were smart by using Unifi a couple of years ago. The EnGenus APs I used were always rock solid. Unifi experience varies greatly based on each firmware update. Will never deploy Unifi APs in deployments of 12 to 24 APs ever again. handoffs have never been great especially since MS Teams and Zoom have become so popular. Have been happy with our Ruckus deployments, but now I want to go look at EnGenius again especially with muit-gig capabilities now to compare against real enterprise products.

  • @ICCERTD
    @ICCERTD 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hate to be the one that has to point this out but.. lol the plastic ring you're holding in your hand for the access point is the template.

  • @GldisAter
    @GldisAter 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ubiquiti, Engenius, Meraki. Shall we add more contestants? How about TPLink's enterprise gear? Open Mesh? ASUS AIMesh?