In the first several dozen historical games I played as Germany throughout my time playing HOI4, Italy would always try to take Scotland, wakes, northern England, Canada, India, Australia, and Norway, for whatever reason.
it was funny how in the DLC version, Germany finally lost the war, then immediately tried to invade around Poland again. It's like the Allies turned around and Germany immediately went around for a second go at it.
@@Alpffine of course they are. In reality the Soviets would have starved to death without allied supplies. In the game i easily manage to defeat the germans on my own, without any support on any but the highest difficulty (also it would be completely gamebreaking to make the Soviets even stronger. Where would be the point in playing the axis if you cant even defeat the soviets but still have to deal with the allies.)
@@El_Presidente_5337 lend lease accounted for 4% of Soviet production (not counting the products produced before the war). Soviet citizens also collected valuables comparable to the volume of lend lease into funds to help the front.
Funny that them are both not historically correct, in a way or the another. (However the "All DLCs" was the most wrong.) P.S.: I was never going to expect so much likes, thank you...?
Its just historical focus tree wise. The strength of the nations is more made for balance reasons and not historical reasons. Also every historical game is extremely different. You cant expect it to be an exact representation of ww2, being a game.
In every fucking game weird shit happens like Germany not going around the maginot but through Italy or Italy naval invading Normandy while Germany is pushing through the maginot because the French moved their armies to garrison Africa
No? Otherwise it would be completely impossible for germany to win. also a competent udssr player will have no problem against an ai germany. against human players...well you need to cooperate with the allies like it happend historically
@@drdestrukt1367 uh no? You cant just look at the military aspect. Without allied supplies they would have just starved and surrendered after a few months
Can someone explain to me what was happening in Norway between Germany(i presume) and Italy in all dlc? How was the ai taking territory from each other
In my ongoing US game, the Allies are getting pulverized in Africa, we’ve finally managed to throw the Axis out of Northeastern Canada, the USSR capitulated, and my focusing on the Pacific until now has led to me ERASING the Japanese Navy.
@@thecatfather857 the sense of my comment is perfectly rappresented by your game. The soviets, if not played, are too weak. They always collapse if the allies doesn’t invade europe
You people need to realize that noone would play germany if your only job is to loose. If you want a completely historical experience, watch a movie. But for people like me who mostly plays germany in multiplayer its already extremely frustrating because the soviets alone are an overpowered pain in the ass if playerd by a competent player.....But you still gotta fight the allies as well
@@andrefasching1332 I am talking AI not players. It's not to lose. It's so it makes sense, especially when you play on historical, yet Germany 99% of the time either wins or pushes the soviets so far that they barely recover(and on best days they reach Poland before allies take over germany), it should have more outcomes bruh. And if you want better balance for multi(completely irrelevant), then make rules or mods lol.
@@Workingatm just because you dont have any friends to play with dont call multiplayer irrelevant. Quite a lot play the game MP And not. it does not make sense to make an already hard germany game impossible. It would take out the fun of both nations. -Germany because why should i waste hours if my only job is to loose. -Soviets Whats the point if its easy to win. I play them because its a challenge Maybe just try the game on a harder difficulty. The soviets gets extremely op pretty fast on the higher ones. But dont turn them into a Second USA. We need better balancing. Not the contrary. The game is still meant to make fun and give us the abiltiy to conquer the world no matter if we play Germany, Portugal or Tibet. i could be a dick and just say git Gud but il just cite you "if you want better historical accuracy, make rules or mods"
@@andrefasching1332 lol giant L. I play multi, and? Multi(especially "competitive") is not the main content, and you don't always wanna play majors, I am talking about AI vs AI scenarios. Changing the difficulty won't change that. I am pretty sure changing the AI to do more appropriate things for the soviets(and perhaps the Germans to focus more on dday since they oftenly get annihilated by it) would be good enough, but you're making a deal out of it xD
@@Workingatm ah yes . Multiplayer is not the main content but Ai vs Ai is i remember all the times i clicked the "dont play, just watch" button and waited for 7 hours until the game was over. Also you should really check your grasp on logic Russia having a hard time=needs a fix Allies breaking the germans neck with D-Day like in reality because germany just does not have enough troops for two fronts= germany needs a fix. Also whats with the "lol" and "giant L" bullshit? Are you a kid or some self proclaimed "hardcore Gamer" kind of guy or what is your problem?
i hate how despite the No Step Back DLC, Germany still always takes moscow and isn't pushed back in 44/45 if the soviets capitulated after losing leningrad, stalingrad, and moscow then Germany would always win
@Duplizapper was commie and went after, what i assume, were liberated or supervised states in its core territory. German AI is very aggressive if the ideology lets it and it has reason.
What's up with this absurdly competent Italy in both your games? I literally can't leave Italy alone for 5 seconds without seeing a popup that Rome has fallen to like Greece or something.
Чел, тут как когда, у меня Германия очень часто тупит, строит вместо танков пехоту и посылает ее в лобовую на линию мажино. Хотя с последними патчами это исправили. А ии с СССР не справляется, слишком сложная для компьютера задача - подготовиться к войне и при этом адекватно пройти сталинские чистки не расстреляв в них все командование. У меня получалось несколько раз, как итог, в самом худшем сценарии немцы у меня даже Минск не взяли, а в наилучшем были разбиты в приграничных боях и я прям как в пропоганде" бил противника малой кровью на его же территории. Имба в этой игре - игрок. Поэтому если знаешь как играть - советский союз наваливает ого-го, в лейте ему вообще равных нет.
@@Alex-Romul США лёгкая страна, гораздо легче чем СССР, она просто большая, и контролить сложно, но это человеку, компу пофиг. Страна с кучей фабрик и ресов, ещё и на другом континенте.
How is No DLCs more historically accurate kind of. Also all I feel like some DLCs did was make the AI more annoying w/ naval invasions in the fact they will naval invade random places consistantly
I really liked the randomness without any dlc because it would always be a toss up in the spanish civil war but now with all the dlc nationalist spain always wins :(
I strongly very strongly recommend using the World Ablaze mod. The game is awful without it installed and excellent with it installed. Most importantly, it can actually be quite challenging unlike the unmodded game.
Что с ДЛС, что без ДЛЯ, игра не соответствует истории, и по факту с момента войны с Францией, Франция была фактически не слабее Нацисткой Германии, а тут просто не Франция, а кусок говна, я хочу чтобы силы Германии были сбалансированны, для более реалистичной картинки.
@@ДокторКто-х3л да не в этом суть, ИИ не может нормально с паранойей Сталина справиться, это игроку трудно сделать, а компу так вообще. Поэтому он всегда к 1941 с жёсткими дебаффами на армию и без половины командования приходит.
Yeah but do you have the free updates? Some free updates gave new technologies. Armies and Trees. Example Finland and Italy. They win agaisnt many other who dont have such charity.
Как достучаться до парадокс,что бы они сделали советский союз сильнее?Я в каждой игре вижу как СССР отдают Москву, Ленинград,Сталинград.Советский союз очень слаб и меня это расстраивает.
Enough is enough, all I want is for the Germans to win, even if it's just once. Why is it that when they are always going to win, suddenly allies come and enter Berlin?
Technically all nations go historical without DLC, with the notable exception of France and Poland which can go some historical routes (both can do a basic form of the four primary ideologies), America can intervene or not and Japan can go monarchist or stay fascist. Everything else is not going to change even if historical is turned off.
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all dlc: unrealistic
no dlc: unrealistic
Real
The reason is because he is a stupid ai
“I fear no man, but that thing”
Italian Norway
“It scares me”
Thichslavia
My first full game of vanilla Hoi4, Japan got part of Wales at the end of the war, creating the Welsh Shogunate. I think this was historical mode too.
@@forgemetal9289at least someone recognizes the Welsh as a nation
In the first several dozen historical games I played as Germany throughout my time playing HOI4, Italy would always try to take Scotland, wakes, northern England, Canada, India, Australia, and Norway, for whatever reason.
@@SomeoneOnTheInternet855never heard of her
it was funny how in the DLC version, Germany finally lost the war, then immediately tried to invade around Poland again. It's like the Allies turned around and Germany immediately went around for a second go at it.
Ngl Germany seems to be programmed to invade Poland, lol
Operation Unthinkable. Nuff Said.
Third go actually
Like the Napoleon after the first war
Playing Napoleon
Italy in All DLC: I am weak...
Italy in no DLC: UNLIMITTED POWER
Romania in no DLC: Hah, amateur
i feel its the other way around
Wait for italy rework lol
then it caps to italy
bro did we even watch the same video? in no dlc, yugoslavia wasn't conquered, and it actually conquered the italian peninsula and survived til the end
I love how in the "no dlc" part Italy is literally destroying everyone in Africa
Hela Safari
But they fail to beat Yugoslavia
@@piercecowley255 maybe because Yugoslavia attacked them on surprise
@@JiafeiProducts6969 but all, after an k itial attack, italy should have been able to mobilise and push them back
@@piercecowley255 yeah like Idk what happend
And again, Germany nearly defeats the Soviets, and falls only because the Allies occupy all of it after D-Day. It's non-historical
They need to make Soviet victory hinge on trucks.
Like in real life.
Soviet Union in histoical should be able to 1v1 Germany at least. They are never able to every single game.
@@Alpffine of course they are. In reality the Soviets would have starved to death without allied supplies.
In the game i easily manage to defeat the germans on my own, without any support on any but the highest difficulty
(also it would be completely gamebreaking to make the Soviets even stronger. Where would be the point in playing the axis if you cant even defeat the soviets but still have to deal with the allies.)
Not gonna lie, NSB did the Soviets dirty in so many ways
Actually it is the right version, cause even stupied AI on the Soviet Union save its soldiers much more, than it was in real life.
VE day in 1948… Paradox really needs to teach the Soviet AI how to rebuild and start pushing back the Germans by 1943
Yeah
Idk man in mine the soviets kill germany by 1944
Might be a lack of American land lease and too many lost factories before they could be transferred to the Ural.
But that's just a theory.
@@El_Presidente_5337 A game theory!
@@El_Presidente_5337 lend lease accounted for 4% of Soviet production (not counting the products produced before the war). Soviet citizens also collected valuables comparable to the volume of lend lease into funds to help the front.
no matter whether you have the dlc or not, the AI was always butcher peace conferences
I really love switzerland gameplay in both versions
Funny that them are both not historically correct, in a way or the another. (However the "All DLCs" was the most wrong.)
P.S.: I was never going to expect so much likes, thank you...?
Its just historical focus tree wise. The strength of the nations is more made for balance reasons and not historical reasons. Also every historical game is extremely different. You cant expect it to be an exact representation of ww2, being a game.
@@nein236 Alright, seems fair
*cough cough* Italian norway *cough cough*
Yeah germany needs to attack Denmark and norway before they attack the benelux
@@nein236 Yes. But the game should demonstrate a least a relatable what if feeling.
In every fucking game weird shit happens like Germany not going around the maginot but through Italy or Italy naval invading Normandy while Germany is pushing through the maginot because the French moved their armies to garrison Africa
Technically speaking germany did go around maginot
From the other side
2:45 no dlc ussr accidentally take a little bite
Italian Norway Italian Norway
Yugoslavia taking over Italy made me chuckle
as a no dlc player, this is very accurate excluding the part where I play germany and loose ww2
Same
I think USSR need a fix because his always been crush hardly by Germany
No? Otherwise it would be completely impossible for germany to win.
also a competent udssr player will have no problem against an ai germany. against human players...well you need to cooperate with the allies like it happend historically
@@andrefasching1332 i assume they mean the a.i needs to be fixed
ai needs to be fixed not the country. if you play it right the soviets can absolutely be strong
@@andrefasching1332 historically the udssr basically defeated germany on its own.
@@drdestrukt1367 uh no? You cant just look at the military aspect. Without allied supplies they would have just starved and surrendered after a few months
2:37 Gotta love DLC Democratic German beeing like "Ooooh... Round 2!"
Can someone explain to me what was happening in Norway between Germany(i presume) and Italy in all dlc? How was the ai taking territory from each other
An occupied state can be passed to a different nation within your faction in order to free up men.
the allies navally invaded norway and italy was the one who retook it so they owned the provinces
Why in every hoi4 game the soviets in 1945 are collapsing While the allies are marching into berlin? Also in historical game.
Murica
@@Falsealarm. america doesn't do shit
Because the Allies are too over powered and need a nerf, and the Soviet AI needs a rework.
In my ongoing US game, the Allies are getting pulverized in Africa, we’ve finally managed to throw the Axis out of Northeastern Canada, the USSR capitulated, and my focusing on the Pacific until now has led to me ERASING the Japanese Navy.
@@thecatfather857 the sense of my comment is perfectly rappresented by your game. The soviets, if not played, are too weak. They always collapse if the allies doesn’t invade europe
thats why you would better to use road to 56, its more historically accurate, and has more national focuses thanhoi4 with dlc
2:28 All DLC Germany tried to go for a round 2 😭
And yet afterwards europe is still a mess
Как говорил великий человек:
"Шо то хуйня, шо это хуйня."
The USSR never makes a comeback like irl.
Fix when?
You people need to realize that noone would play germany if your only job is to loose.
If you want a completely historical experience, watch a movie. But for people like me who mostly plays germany in multiplayer its already extremely frustrating because the soviets alone are an overpowered pain in the ass if playerd by a competent player.....But you still gotta fight the allies as well
@@andrefasching1332 I am talking AI not players. It's not to lose. It's so it makes sense, especially when you play on historical, yet Germany 99% of the time either wins or pushes the soviets so far that they barely recover(and on best days they reach Poland before allies take over germany), it should have more outcomes bruh. And if you want better balance for multi(completely irrelevant), then make rules or mods lol.
@@Workingatm just because you dont have any friends to play with dont call multiplayer irrelevant. Quite a lot play the game MP
And not. it does not make sense to make an already hard germany game impossible. It would take out the fun of both nations.
-Germany because why should i waste hours if my only job is to loose.
-Soviets Whats the point if its easy to win. I play them because its a challenge
Maybe just try the game on a harder difficulty. The soviets gets extremely op pretty fast on the higher ones. But dont turn them into a Second USA.
We need better balancing. Not the contrary. The game is still meant to make fun and give us the abiltiy to conquer the world no matter if we play Germany, Portugal or Tibet.
i could be a dick and just say git Gud but il just cite you "if you want better historical accuracy, make rules or mods"
@@andrefasching1332 lol giant L. I play multi, and? Multi(especially "competitive") is not the main content, and you don't always wanna play majors, I am talking about AI vs AI scenarios. Changing the difficulty won't change that. I am pretty sure changing the AI to do more appropriate things for the soviets(and perhaps the Germans to focus more on dday since they oftenly get annihilated by it) would be good enough, but you're making a deal out of it xD
@@Workingatm ah yes . Multiplayer is not the main content but Ai vs Ai is
i remember all the times i clicked the "dont play, just watch" button and waited for 7 hours until the game was over.
Also you should really check your grasp on logic
Russia having a hard time=needs a fix
Allies breaking the germans neck with D-Day like in reality because germany just does not have enough troops for two fronts= germany needs a fix.
Also whats with the "lol" and "giant L" bullshit? Are you a kid or some self proclaimed "hardcore Gamer" kind of guy or what is your problem?
i hate how despite the No Step Back DLC, Germany still always takes moscow and isn't pushed back in 44/45
if the soviets capitulated after losing leningrad, stalingrad, and moscow then Germany would always win
To be fair no DLC Germany would have collapsed faster if it wasn't for Vichy France being the D-Day-Master
italia la nerfearon horrible :v
ahora se parece mas al real :v
bro the fucking border gore at all dlc oh my god why
BBA does its thing
Both sides have something in common though: Why I'm a fortface.
No matter if they landed, they'll never get past by forts I just planted :)
Both. Soviet is a weak. Alliance is too strong.
Oh my, what was that peace deal at the end of all dlc gameplay...
@Duplizapper was commie and went after, what i assume, were liberated or supervised states in its core territory. German AI is very aggressive if the ideology lets it and it has reason.
there was no peace deal from what i could tell
Germany lost to the allies twice in the DLC map
What's up with this absurdly competent Italy in both your games? I literally can't leave Italy alone for 5 seconds without seeing a popup that Rome has fallen to like Greece or something.
DLCなしとありではこんなにアフリカ戦線の状況違うんだ(´-ω-`)
はい、そうですね！
in no dlc Yugoslavia was literlly the only one left in mainland Europe and kind of like a super power who did something 💀
With or without it every match ends up ending in anarchy
italy when i play united kingdom
пиздатые границы
So, with no DLC everyone is a little tougher?
За столько лет ИИ так и не научился делить территории.
И да, СССР в этой игре ослаблено сильно.
Очень неисторично он себя чувствует.
Чел, тут как когда, у меня Германия очень часто тупит, строит вместо танков пехоту и посылает ее в лобовую на линию мажино. Хотя с последними патчами это исправили. А ии с СССР не справляется, слишком сложная для компьютера задача - подготовиться к войне и при этом адекватно пройти сталинские чистки не расстреляв в них все командование.
У меня получалось несколько раз, как итог, в самом худшем сценарии немцы у меня даже Минск не взяли, а в наилучшем были разбиты в приграничных боях и я прям как в пропоганде" бил противника малой кровью на его же территории. Имба в этой игре - игрок. Поэтому если знаешь как играть - советский союз наваливает ого-го, в лейте ему вообще равных нет.
@@kingslayer2981 с США он вполне справляется. А там своих фишек хватает. А ИИ СССР очень тупой.
@@Alex-Romul я имел ввиду ИИ сссра не справляется с управлением СССР.
@@kingslayer2981 Ну а у США справляется, хотя страна не легче в управление.
@@Alex-Romul США лёгкая страна, гораздо легче чем СССР, она просто большая, и контролить сложно, но это человеку, компу пофиг. Страна с кучей фабрик и ресов, ещё и на другом континенте.
Хойка без длс совсем другая и скучная игра
honestly the no dlc timeline is my favorite
I love how Italy kept invading Ireland and than losing than winning than losing again
Funny how the start of 1940 No DLC is more realistic
The no dlc was much more historical and a less bad peace treaty lol
How is No DLCs more historically accurate kind of. Also all I feel like some DLCs did was make the AI more annoying w/ naval invasions in the fact they will naval invade random places consistantly
do yourself a favor and get a mod that deactivates random naval invasions for AI
@@zero.Identity PLEASE GIVE LINK!!!
All dlc is non historical mode 2
Peace conference mechanics suсk. This is one of the main reasons why hoi4 is so boring to play without mods. And DLCs don't help at all.
why does it take no dlc germany longer to take france than with all dlc like there is no dlc buffs germany right?
The problem with Africa in no dlc hoi4 is that Vichy France will come in from Syria because they immediately join the war.
But México has a civil war no?
Germans win
I really liked the randomness without any dlc because it would always be a toss up in the spanish civil war but now with all the dlc nationalist spain always wins :(
I strongly very strongly recommend using the World Ablaze mod. The game is awful without it installed and excellent with it installed. Most importantly, it can actually be quite challenging unlike the unmodded game.
I love the dlc that lets itlay get norway, very historically accurate
Что с ДЛС, что без ДЛЯ, игра не соответствует истории, и по факту с момента войны с Францией, Франция была фактически не слабее Нацисткой Германии, а тут просто не Франция, а кусок говна, я хочу чтобы силы Германии были сбалансированны, для более реалистичной картинки.
USSR shoulda been punished for annexing poland and the baltics
Я не понимаю.Как не СССР взял Берлин.Ведь историчности известно что Берлин взял СССР
Виноват туповатый ИИ советов
Всего-то нужно сделать чтоб на историческом фокусе ИИ держал оборону пока союзники не приплывут ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ДокторКто-х3л да не в этом суть, ИИ не может нормально с паранойей Сталина справиться, это игроку трудно сделать, а компу так вообще.
Поэтому он всегда к 1941 с жёсткими дебаффами на армию и без половины командования приходит.
@@kingslayer2981 эт да перемудрили с сомнительной механикой
Its still Cancer.
Переделывай
Hoi4 v1.0 vs modern hoi4 with dlc
yo where tf is lenningrad
above Estonia to the right
@@tsarnickolai I didn't mean in literally
@@tsarnickolai 🤓🤓
@@tsarnickolai Above it on the map
@@tsarnickolai that's the cringiest response you could've made
Does it really make a difference if you play with a dlc or not?
it shouldve ended in 1945 tho
How does you make the map look flag like that, I really like it.
I have only played hoi4 with no dlc the struggle is real
Yeah but do you have the free updates?
Some free updates gave new technologies. Armies and Trees. Example Finland and Italy.
They win agaisnt many other who dont have such charity.
No matter the circumstance, abandoning operation sea lion is always a mistake.
how tf did germany capitulate on no dlc version? The allies didn't have Vienna, nor Berlin nor Frankfurt.
Hi so if you have fun with no dlc pls give a like but if you like game with dlc pls leave answers below my comment❤
“it’s unhistorical” ITS A GAME THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE MOSTLY UNHISTORICAL THATS THE POINT
You would be right if this gameplay wasnt on *historical* ai
The only thing I dislike is how often turkey gets involved. They shouldn't if historical focuses are on.
Italian Norway just bugged me
Poor Turkiye 🥲🥲
The Crimean psychopath was locked up one-on-one with the German army
What not having no step back does to a mf
Yugoslavia doesn't need no DLC, he can take on the whole world 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
Как достучаться до парадокс,что бы они сделали советский союз сильнее?Я в каждой игре вижу как СССР отдают Москву, Ленинград,Сталинград.Советский союз очень слаб и меня это расстраивает.
germany with DLC: ROUND 2 I DIDNT HEAR NO BELL!
I honestly think HOI ai wants the HRE splitting to happen, but on the entire world
Without DLC: WW2 Simulator game.
With DLC:What if WW2 Simulator game.
Option 3 pirate DLC
and yet both are still GODLY unrealistic.
Noth very unrealistic
Why is germany so much weaker in dlc version?
Both are bordergore
Enough is enough, all I want is for the Germans to win, even if it's just once. Why is it that when they are always going to win, suddenly allies come and enter Berlin?
Но в Берлин вошли советы, а не союзники
@@danwooden3635 in the game usually the first allies enter Berlin but are given to the soviets by treaty
@@yusufemircnd I've only ever had 1 historical game as the allies where the yalta conference event even fires.
Pov: Switzerland
Border gore is so disgusting
Why does the german reich always have to lose :(
TH-cam community guidelines
Because they were fucking evil and had the entire world against them?
Was this with historical or non historical ai
Technically all nations go historical without DLC, with the notable exception of France and Poland which can go some historical routes (both can do a basic form of the four primary ideologies), America can intervene or not and Japan can go monarchist or stay fascist.
Everything else is not going to change even if historical is turned off.
Greece with no dlc is straight up eating Italy
Таки в чём разница?
Who doesnt know about the Italian invasion of norway.
Still waiting for Liechententeins available on HOI4
Switzerland😶😴😑😐
Но что изменилось?
how did crimea survived for 7 years in non dlc one
I appreciate how similar they are. DLCs just chance some mechanics but don't adjust the core game.
why do the anarchist only uprise with the dlcs? i thought they were a major part in the civil war
because they are a DLC addition