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- New A/T 3 Toyo Open Country was proven and tested as I worked along side Toyo test engineers to come up with one of the best new A/T's on the market! I spent over two years testing and evaluating the current Toyo A/T 2 at test tracks, to help come up with improvements and target settings to create an all around absolutely dialed in A/T 3. We tested this tire along side 7 of the top tier brands and the Toyo did exceptionally well. If you are considering purchasing a new A/T, then this should be a top pick. Am I a little bias? Absolutely, but it works in my professional opinion as a development test driver.
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Hey I know this video is old now and I’d like to let you know. Having had the AT2’s and now having the AT3’s on my FJ Cruiser they’ve both been awesome set of tires. Out of my AT2’s we got almost 90k miles and then switching to the AT3’s they’re now going on 50k still going strong I’m gonna get another set soon. Only complaint if you can call it that is they’re starting to dry rot otherwise they’ve been great tires on and off road. We’ve used both sets for off-roading & never had any issues. Great set of tires TOYO. Keep up the great work!
Glad you are enjoying your AT3's and your FJ. Back in the day, I was the lucky one who drove the first pre-production (prototype) through the Rubicon in 2006, before the launch in 2007. Best rig ever IMO. Anyway, I would recommend that you rotate often and when it comes to dry rot, I have also encountered this condition. Not ideal but keeping them conditioned and out of the elements is best if you can. I would also give the RT Trail a try next time. I liked them a bit better after testing the two. Cheers Joe
I like the fact that that it's an AT tire with an aggressive looking sidewall. That was the reason why chose the R/T over the A/T2 because i liked the sidewall better. Now that my R/T's are about spent, i'm getting the A/T3's
I ended up buying these today! Looking forward to it!
Just had a set of 285/70/17s installed on my '18 3.5 EcoBeast with a 2.5" level. This video helped with the decision between these and two competitor brands. Cheers!
Richard - Glad to hear someone got something out of the info. FYI I have about 25k on a set now and I would strongly advise rotating under 5k. They will tend to get some mild noise if you don’t. Keep them rotated and you will love them. 🤙
Great Content Joe!
TrailBuilt Off-Road thank you👍
I just got a set for my jeep Cherokee XJ, I am very satisfied, quiet on road and great off road
Did you go with the P-Metric?
I had a set of AT/2's mounted on a 2010 Ford F150 and they were good, but you did get some road noise. I just recently got a set of AT/3's mounted on a 2015 RAM 2500 and I absolutely love them! They're quiet and they give you great traction! When I got them mounted, the guys at the tire shop were talking about when they would get their set! Thanks Mike!! 😉
I would suggest rotating often to keep the noise level down. I have 25k on mine and that is the trick! 🤙
Joe, thanks for your review and recommendation. I outfitted my '15 Grand Cherokee with the new Toyo AT3's and am very happy with the tire's performance. I have 6000 miles on the tires in 60 days. A bit more road noise than my stock Michelin Tour all-season's but surprisingly little increase - a good trade-off and impressive tread design from Toyo. Nice compliant ride over bumps and potholes (I live in Cleveland), good grip in the wet, and able to handle standing water on highway (drove through several heavy rainstorms that caused flooding) without hydroplaning. I have not tried them in the snow yet. I will update as I put on additional miles, but so far, these are a winner! Several positive comments about aggressive tread and looks of tire on vehicle from buddies. Wife has not mentioned any tire noise (after 3000 mile trip to FL and back) - the true test! Keep up the good work.
That is great! You are spot on when it comes to what I tested . Snow performance was better than many competitor brands and has the 3PMSF rating. Agree on the noise. I have them on my 4Runner and just a touch loud at times
How good were they on snow,slush and ice???
I have only run the At3’s briefly during the winter as i have a dedicated set of Blizzaks for Cleveland winters. My limited experience with them in snow was that they are great in snow, only average on ice. But not “scary” on ice like some tires
@@tmiller3164 Much appreciated,I bet those Blizzacks perform extremely well on snow and ice huh???
I just bought a set or the AT3's in 305/ 45 22, for my 2019 Ram 1500 longhorn with air suspension. PERFECT FIT, AND LOOkS AWESOME!! The AT3's changed the look of my truck, much more TOUGH LOOKING now.
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Right on
Joe I first want to say how Informative you are on all the Questions and that you answer them, THANKS for your time and knowledge! BEST Video on TH-cam. I pretty much got my answer I think from reading all the feedback I live in Iowa I hunt a lot and travel the back gravel roads I don't go off road to much and I'm in the snow 3 Months out off the year I was In-between the Toyo A/T3 And the KO2's But I am going with the A/T3's Unless you think something different I have a 2020 Ram 1500 3.5 inch lift. THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. Subscribed !!!!!!!!!!
Really appreciate it! I figured I have the info. why not share it! I am a huge BFG fan and raced for them for over 10 years. They make great products and if you asked me if the K02 was better off road in rocks etc I would say YES it is better then the Toyo AT3. However, if you look at both tires overall in several settings then the AT3 out performs over the BFG IMO. You may find some small pros like stopping distance for example etc. but overall the tire that scored close to the top in almost every category I tested was the AT3
@@sanddrifterjb Thank you Sir !
WOW I'm glad I watched this I just traded in my 2016 RAM that I had Falkens on. When I traded it the tires still had tread left and they had 82,000 miles on them. I was going to just go get another set thinking they would be the same. But I know from your comments on another video that Falken is not the tire from a few years ago and that's to bad. My 2021 RAM came stock with Falkens on from the factory but I am about to go bigger so I guess I will give these Toyo's a hard look. THANKS JOE!!
Cool Doug, glad to be of help. Yeah I was disappointed as well to see the Falken drop down the ranks due to a running change. I just happed to question my previous year data at the test track and compared an older (same spec date) to a newer one and massive difference in performance. Unfortunately it’s not uncommon for companies to save a buck! Same goes with your bag a chips. They just keep getting more air in them. lol Have a good weekend! 🤙
I had 2 pair of AT2 got ridiculous mileage out of them in PA, I didn’t care for the minor shake at 75 but figured I’ll try these out!
Coming Thursday
I've had mine for a month now..on my Honda Ridgeline..255 50 20.. very sturdy and surefooted feel..I never had an all terrain..only HT's.. but this one is similar to an HT.. with way more strength...good job TOYO!!
David Hollingsworth always good to hear that you like them so far. You have a pretty low profile with less sidewall on those 20’s. I am glad the ride comfort and noise are close to the HT’s. I didn’t get a chance to test that size and appreciate the feedback.
And they feel stronger than the 245 65 17 HT's..that was OEM.
Wow, talk about a responsive web presence! Just as I did with my old Jeep, I’ve been reading for literal days in order to narrow down a new tire choice for my Land Cruiser 80. Multiple forums have been very helpful as well as other reviews, but your TH-cam comment replies alone are perhaps the best thing I have come across. Much appreciated.
I’m in the market for an AT like so many others. My main concern is winter performance for Southeast Alaska, but still want something with a design that does well enough off road, hence not looking at a milder looking/more winter specific tire. It doesn’t typically get super cold here like up north, but weather is very harsh, and thus road surface conditions too. Heavy snow usually with high moisture content, heavy slush, rutted snow/slush, and often slick surface below, occasional black ice.
My other main consideration is affect on mileage, granted the 80 is poor regardless. I understand why you can’t/don’t necessarily test for that here, but any thoughts on rolling resistance and impact of weight? I will be coming off an old set of less than desirably worn Duratracs from the PO and know what I currently average... will be getting the same size (LT315/75r16) and AT3 is listed at nearly the same weight (65lb). The other tire I really like but worry about adding even more weight is the wildpeak AT3W (72lb), and it sounds like that may be the most comparable to the Toyo in winter performance based on what I’m seeing here.
Before finding your comments here, I was stuck between the grabber ATX and Cooper XLT, the latter of which I’m concerned won’t have quite the winter performance I’m hoping for. Based on what I have found in your responses to others, it “feels” like this Toyo AT3 might be the best combination for me. I’m not really concerned about the other categories as any of the obvious options would be fine for my use, but good to know it ranks pretty well all around. Pardon the long question, I inherited my long-windedness from my mom, hah... any response is greatly appreciated.
Well, first I have to say the 80 is a sweet 4WD! So as for snow performance, like I said in my comments, the AT3 Toyo and Wildpeak both scored well and at the top of the list. However, after recently finding out that Falken seemed to have made a running production compound change, the overall performance went way down. I would pass on the Falken. The Toyo did great in snow testing, but the temps we tested were in the teens and not below. If you experience -20 etc. I don't know how much better or worse the AT3 Toyo will perform. I really do like how linear this tire is in the snow for smooth slow, confident transitions during lane changes. I have also heard that people who have purchased the Toyo are seeing slightly better MPG. This tire has some of the best "run-out" balance numbers compared to other competitors. The Toyo products use very little weight for balancing which is very noticeable when it comes to vibration. I think you will like the Toyo Open Country AT3 LT on your 80 much more over the Goodyear that is for sure......
You are the man… that’s what I was hoping for. Very interesting with the Falken change.
My previous experience with a tire in this category is the KO2 and old Toyo AT2. Truthfully, both of them served my needs just fine and I enjoyed them with no issues, but I’m aware of commonly reported shortcomings. I can only imagine the AT3 will improve upon all of it. Thanks so much!
And yessir... I certainly love my 80. It’s a joy to drive every time.
@@spenserrr Glad to help. Reach out anytime!
Awesome review Joe. I just ordered a set of AT3, 37's for my new F350.
Nice! I think you will really like them. My neighbor has had a set on his Ram 3500 and absolutely loves them. Just rotate frequently. Hope you are doing well.. Cheers
Thanks Joe, I’ve been running Toyo exclusively on my 2003 Duramax and love them, I’m due for some new one ones, I’m gonna try these out. I hope they handle the sharp rocks in Williams a little better, I have had some rock punctures in the AT/II...
Chad- I think you will really like them. The LT has a great aggressive look and just super well rounded for most areas. I tested in the F350 and we focused on front to rear balance. Straight line stability for those long drives also improved from a control-ability side. Reach out if you have any questions. Take care
What size are you running? I've got a 2009 Duramax with 35s. I'm considering going up to 37 Toyos this winter
Edy Coyote I have 35s on mine.
@@elcoyote9410 During our testing we ran a LT265/70R17 on a FORD F-250 and a P265/70R17 on the F-150. The 265 is close to a 32" and I thought it looked small for the big F-250. It depends how you plan to use your truck. If you are towing a lot and more highway then I personally would go with the 35". If you are more overland, then the 37" may be your better choice. I find that bigger tire (more weight) tends to be more difficult to stop especially in snow, the 37" will also be more delayed in yaw with more deflection so things to consider.
I am pumped about my appointment at discount tire this coming Saturday morning!
295/60r/20 AT3’s getting mounted on factory wheels
2021 Tundra Platinum 4wd with 3/2 readylift
Thank you for your video! You have an awesome job. Got to admit, I’m pretty jealous!
Brian - Thanks buddy! Great package ....rotate often to eliminate noise as you start putting miles on them. Reach out if you ever have any questions! Cheers...
You wont regret it best tires ive ever owned
Hi Joe, I appreciate your objective take on all this and am glad I found a review that I can actually use. I live in CO and will be getting new tires for my f150 before winter comes. I drive a long way for work and with the strange weather we get, need to be able to power through anything without getting stuck. I do a decent amount of hunting as well in the high country and farm roads and want a tire that I can count on there too. The A/T segment seems perfect to me from a functional standpoint and they can look really great as well on a pervious truck I had the Toyo AT II and really liked them except for what seemed like them being a little slick on wet roads and ice. I am going to go with the LT since we tow a bit and was also going to go up to a 275/70R18.
I am trying to decide between these new Toyo's III, the Cooper AT3 XLT, Goodyear Ultra Terrains and prior to reading some of your comments, the Falken. Looks like I should now avoid the Falkens. The local tire guy suggested I look at the new Hankook AT2, but I am not sure I'm a fan. I do a fair amount of reading and my own research but you have the first hand experience and I would love to hear your thoughts on these different options and how they compare and even where fall disappointingly short. Thank you in advance for your time and knowledge.
Thanks for the kind words. The ATII did not have the 3PMSF cert like the new AT3 Toyo does. It is much better tire all around but snow and wet it's considerably better IMO . I was not impressed at all from the Hankook on dry and dirt but snow was actually very good. Same goes with the Goodyear. did decent in snow but other areas not so much. as for the Cooper, I am a fan of this tire and it preformed really well in most areas (except snow). It all comes down to what your high priorities are....I guess in the end, the Toyo AT3 just did most things well and that is why I like it for an all around solid performer.. Hope that helps
@jartlamb I was wondering if you made a decision what persuaded it the most. I'm deciding between these and the Discoverer a/t xlt as well. I like the looks of these and I'm quite sure they're better off road. I'm 95% on road and want something that will last. Hard to find much info on these since they're still pretty new. I have OC at2's and they seem to wear pretty fast. They were on my truck when i bought it, so not sure how many miles on them.
By far the best tires I’ve owned.. Toyo up their game with these AT3’s
Michael Anthony Mendoza glad to hear that. Thank you for sharing. We put a lot of work trying to get the best out of them.
JOE BACAL Thanks Joe.. I knew there was something about these tires I had to see for myself.. 👍🏼
I’m gonna get them for my ram ... I have the duratracs and I like them for off-road but man they are to noisy on road
@@idontcaresapo8233 waste of gas too
Definitely my next set of all-terrains will be A/T 3's. Liked n subscribed.
Hi Joe, thanks for sharing all this information! It's so difficult to find side-by-side comparisons of AT tires, so your knowledge is invaluable. I'm wondering if you have any experience with the General Grabber AT/x ? I'm looking for a set of AT tires for my 2010 Toyota Tundra. Usage will be a mix of highway, forest service fire roads, and maybe a few more difficult trails, in all weather conditions. Thanks!
Austin - The General Tire ATX is a solid choice. I did some initial work with General on the AT and worked on the X3 MT when it came out.
@@sanddrifterjb Good to hear, thanks for the advice!
i appreciate this great review on them. im going to order them for my 2020 ram rebel.
Darth Nickula nice🤙
Looking at these for an F-150 max tow. The rear end has a shimmy when towing heavy or high profile trailers on the OEM tires. I’m leaning towards the LT in load range C over the P-metric to get a stiffer sidewall. But why is the LT 9 pounds heavier and rates for about 200 pounds less load? What is the recommendation?
Great information and I subscribed. I appreciate the detail and honesty around the performance, and in the future I’ll be watching to see your opinions on other tires, as well. My new ‘21 Bronco will come equipped with the Goodyear 315/70R17’’s and this AT3 looks like a good replacement at some point in time.
Thank you and very cool on your Bronco purchase. They look so cool and are taking the lead in the Off-Road market with such innovative and well though through technology integrated into this rig! The OEM Goodyear tires I am sure will be very good coming from the OEM matching up well with this product.
Enjoy!
Hey Tom- I wanted to let you know that I recently tested the new Bronco Wildtrak for a day in the rocks. I have to say you will be very pleased with this rig, although it sounds like they have been delayed a bit longer? Anyway, after seeing and testing in person, I think I would mount up some 37's BFG KM3's. The Goodyear is a good looking and great OEM tire out of the box, so use it up first then upgrade!
@@sanddrifterjb Joe, can’t thank you enough for the review and feedback! I’ve definitely been watching some tire reviews and that’s the way I found your channel. Yours is great because of your expertise as a driver and tester in the real world. My first big trip in ‘’22 after getting my Badlands some time this fall (hopefully.....my order is in and Ford is supposed to send me an estimated build and ship date in late May) will be to Moab and I hope those Goodyear’s are up to the task. If not they’ll be gone and I’ll definitely take your recommendation on the BFG’s when I replace them. Great to have your suggestion and many thanks again, Joe.
@@tomcaldwell5914 Anytime Tom, reach out anytime always love to help🤙
Cant wait to get these for my next set
I have had a set now for almost 6 months on my 4Runner and I still like that they don’t have that increased rubber hardness feel or uneven wear.
G’day Joe, thank you for the awesome review, no hype, all substance, much appreciated! I am currently torn between Nitto Ridge Grappler and Toyo OC AT3. I know they are both meet my needs off road. If it’s not unfair to ask, could you please provide your opinion for best on road handling in wet and dry between the Nitto Ridge Grappler and Toyo AT3?
Hey Matt- Sounds like you are from Down under! So the Nitto Ridge Grappler is a tire I have tested, just not recently doing a back to back comparison with the Toyo AT3. I won't make up info. and tell you what you want to hear, so I can only give you my best guess on where the two stack up. As you know Toyo and Nitto are basically the same company so many of the same manufacturing and test standards will be similar. As for just a cosmetic comparison, the Nitto's are a bit more aggressive and are not 3PMSF certified. The Nitto also has a much different water evacuation design which IMO is not as ideal to the AT3. Plus since the AT3 has a 3PMSF certification the compounds are most likely going to also improve your wet performance. When it comes to noise the Nitto is pretty noisy from my vague testing and I would bet that it won't be better than the AT3 in that area. Dry on-road handling the AT3 scored very well and the Nitto again IMO would really have to have something special to bump it down.
I wish I could give you more concrete information but this is the best I can do with not doing a direct test. Also, I think the Nitto won't wear as uniformed as the Toyo and they become a bit hard over time going through the 4 seasons. My good friend has them and this is what he has experienced.
Good luck!
@@sanddrifterjb wow, thank you much for such a prompt and detailed reply Joe, I truly appreciate it! This is extremely helpful info as I was deadset on one or the other. It definitely sounds like the AT3 is the most ideal of the two for my location and driving needs. Have a great arvo mate!
@@MattJonesISOHEALTHBJJ Anytime! all good buddy take care
I'm running 35s now. This winter I'll be purchasing new tires. I'll be buying these Toyos. Any advice going from 35s to 37s on a 2009 GMC 2500 Duramax? Thanks
You stated some good key points that I look for in a tire. Switching over from KO2's now. Fingers crossed they are a good choice. Ram 3500 mega cab 4x4 works hard and tows heavy. LT285/75 R18
Glen - I am not in sales nor do I gain anything from Toyo. I just test tires and I think you will see the improvements over the K02's. Rotate often to keep the road noise at a minimum and if you happen to get in the snow, the AT3 is night and day better! Cheers..
Great vid! I like it having the three peak snowflake icon living in Colorado. These tires look good too. I’ll put you on the spot if you can answer, this tire or the Falken Wildpeak AT3. That’s my current top choice once things open up enough where I can get to where I can use them. 2018 Tacoma off-road.
ElevationEveryWeekend thanks just still trying to figure all this stuff out! I think the look is great on the Toyo. However I am a big fan of the Falken look too! Both tires perform really well and either choice is better than many other brands. The Falken and Open Country went back and forth on many categories. Hope that helps and reach out when ever you want more info.
The Falken at3w thread is so similar to the AT3s that I am almost certain Toyo used it as a benchmark when engineering these. The Falkens came out 3-4 years ago, and they were dirt cheap and the best performing. Now, the Falkens have caught up in price where they are more than equivalent Nittos and toyos.
@@bcatz454 I guess you could say they look similar if you’re half blind.
@@Icutmetal not sure what you're seeing but its the same block placement and thread pattern. You're not seeing the S blocks on both of em huh?
@@bcatz454 Nope; look completely different.
How would you rate these tires to the Wrangler Duratracs? I drive a 2017 Tahoe with the Z71 Package which came with the vehicle OEM. Would it be an upgrade or should I just stick with the Duratracs? Thanks for your input.
Cool Video!
Hi Joe, thanks for the review. I’m currently running Michelin LTX AT2’s on my Trd Toyota Tundra. They’re nearing the end of their life. How do the Toyo’s compare to the Michelins? Most of my driving is on pavement, but I do spend a fair amount of time on forest roads during the hunting season. Snow and ice traction is important to me as I’m on the icy, snow covered lakes every weekend during ice fishing season. Which tires were the top snow and ice performers? I’d also like to hear your opinion on whether I should run the passenger tires or try the LT with the C load rating. Thank you!
Darren- The Michelin tires are very good for sure, but they are not as aggressive as the Toyo from a cosmetic side. I would run the P-Metric if you don't plan to tow or haul heavy loads, otherwise go with an LT. As for wet and snow performance, the Michelin is going to give you more overall grip IMO. However the Toyo will out shine on dirt roads. The Michelin is also more of a street tire and will give you better MPG most likely as well as a bit lower overall road noise. The Toyo however is very good in snow and was on the higher end of the 8 tires tested. Really either would meet your expectation. You will pay more for a Michelin and you will get a more aggressive A/T with a Toyo
Thanks for the feedback!
Great feedback and review; there’s not a lot of feedback on these yet, and videos like this are what other reviewers should aspire to. Lots of opinion-based chatter, but rarely any legitimate head to head testing to back up their statements. It would be nice to know which competitors you were referring & comparing these to, but I completely understand why that’s not a great idea.
I appreciate the feedback and I also agree that, even though many are "talking" about tires on other channels, I would say you can't really say BEST TIRE unless you have tested them properly. I also realize many may have access to tires but may not have testing evaluation training or test track availability. As for the 7 competitors I was referring to, I plan to do some individual stand alone videos on many of them. It will be a similar format so you will see the PRO's and CON's from my actual testing. I will also share my honest professional opinion.
JOE BACAL Thanks for your response. I know there are a lot of good choices out there and it’s probably splitting hairs in some categories. I’m really interested in them for my 2500HD diesel; what’s important to me is snowy road performance (I’ve also been to W.Yellowstone), wet road performance in heavy rain, towing stability, along with reasonable noise and tread life.
JOE BACAL So I’ve sort of narrowed my choice down to the AT3, General Grabber ATX, Falken AT3W, and KO2. I’ve got 265/60R20’s now, and will be going up to 275/65R20.
I’ve read comments and your responses suggesting that the AT3 is comparable to the KO2 & AT3W; not sure if you’ve tested the ATX.
For a guy in Ohio with a 2500 Diesel that tows snowmobile trailers on and off road thru Michigan & out west, tows boats locally, and general all around use, how would you rate my choices for a relatively quiet all terrain that wears decent and kicks butt in snow?
@@Icutmetal Great options for sure! OK, as for the ATX General, I actually started testing that tire for General after I finished development on the X3 MT. During my testing of the ATX, they pulled me off the project since my main General contact had transferred to Germany, so I never finished and haven't tested the final product. I do remember that they were pretty good up until that point. As for the K02 , Toyo AT3 and Falken AT3W go, from what you plan to do with it I would not go BFG. They were not ideal in the snow and the ride comfort was really firm! Controlability was also an issue .... The Falken AT3W is a fantastic tire and one of my all time favorites, but snow performance was below the new Toyo AT3. I might go with the Falken 1st but it sounds like you want low road noise and good snow performance so it looks like the Toyo did better after checking my data that I am looking at for you in those specific areas....both great choices!
Hey Joe, have been a big fan since your "Where the Rubber Meets the Road" tire review with Scott Brady in the October 2014 Expedition Portal! BEST tire shootout EVER!! Had a set of those Cooper AT3s from that review on my ’06 Ford Expedition for last 5 years. Am about to replace those with either the Toyo AT3s (love that you worked with Toyo on those) or the Dueler Revo3s from Bridgestone. Do you have any general recommendation on the AT3 vs the Revo3, specifically as it relates to dry, wet, and light deep snow handling and braking? Thanks!!
Hey Mark- Thanks a bunch and glad you took my advice back on those Cooper's. They still make a great tire, but the competition has leveled up and so they have been bumped a bit down on the list! To answer your question, I have zero experience with the Bridgestone Revo3's. I however love the Bridgestone tires and I worked closely with them for many years on the Toyota side and the OEM tires. So what I am telling you is I can't say the Toyo will be an all around better tire then the Revo3's but I can tell you that you will most definitely like the AT3's. I have them on my personal 4 Runner and really like them. I also have a set of the BFG K02's on another vehicle and it is like night and day! I am a big BFG fan but not ideal in many categories.... I would say go with the AT3. That would be my all around best pick!
Excellent review and your response to comments! I have a Defender 110, with 31X10.5X15, Currently Kumo Road Ventures. I mostly Street and highway drive as I live in a city, and the trails are about 1.5-2hrs out. My priorities are: 1) Low road-noise, 2) Dry performance, 3) Wet performance 4) Off-road performance, 5) Comfort, but it is a Defender soo lol.
I initially was looking at General AT/Xs based on TireRack, but now I am looking at the Toyo AT3, Falkin Wildpeak AT3/W also. You already talked me out of the KO2s lol. Any advice would be appreciated.
VannGulick90 love the Defender’s I had a 90 for awhile and did all of my technical rock crawl training in them. I think getting rid of the Ventures is a good idea and to answer your questions and what you want out of a tire, I probably would go with 1st pick Cooper Discoverer AT3 XLT. They look good for a AT tire but tested in the top 5 or less in all categories. I think they are going to be the quietest with the Falken not to fat off. The Toyo is a great tire and is quiet, just not as quiet as these two. When it comes to dry performance all 3 of these tires tested well but the Toyo was the leader. Mostly for confidence and predictability during limit conditions. As for Wet again all 3 did very well. Off road the Falken is pretty hard to beat but the Toyo was better for overshoot on a dirt road. The Cooper was not great but acceptable. The Cooper and Falken will have the best ride comfort. Anyway, I hope that helps with making a good decision. I wish I still had my 90. Enjoy your Defender. 🤘
@@sanddrifterjb Thanks so much for the response!
Hi Joe! Great review…just ordered these & putting on my lifted Suzuki AWD SX4 Matching “S” symbols lol but seriously looking fwd to these tires.
Awesome! I am sure you will like them a lot. Cheers!
On my top 3 list for 8" snow in the Northwest. My AS Revo Dueller are great on pavement but terrible in snow!
Hi Joe, Appreciate the active engagement in the comments. Many of your comments imply P metric tires for a vehicle such as a Tacoma are the better choice. Subjectively, ride quality is the biggest factor in that recommendation. Given the same size tire, what objective things do you give up between P metric and LT? For example, an LT brakes x% longer distance, has x% less lateral grip, etc. I know - horribly impossible question. I have been interested in a skinny 235/85R16 which are only LT E rated. Wondering what I will be "giving up" if I make that selection. Thanks.
Appreciate the kind words, to answer your question going with an LT vs a P-Metric both essentially are very similar in compounds etc. The LT or light truck is designed for more load and are stronger when it comes to sidewalk etc. What you give up is ride comfort since you have to run much higher PSI in LT tires per the manufacture. We did see some minor differences when it came to subjective and objective testing but averaged it self out between the two for the most part. Many people go LT on Tacoma’s and still really like them. I am just suggesting P-Metric since they are designed for a lighter vehicle and carry less weight. Hope that helps on your purchase
Thanks for the review. How would you rank them in quietness and comfort in dry highway driving, relative to competitors. I don’t encounter much snow and you covered wet performance on your video. I’m 95% on road so almost tempted to keep my stock tires.
Absolutely, When it came to being quiet the Toyo A/T III was mid pack. Had some competitors above and below. The Ride was just a bit better on the scale and well damped and round with low frequency vibration. If I were you , and from what you are saying on how you plan to utilize your vehicle, then the OEM tire is what I would keep. The OE tires are developed for your vehicle and I always say, unless you are looking for an upgraded "look" or plan to use off-road, snow etc. then maybe it's time to consider a tire that fits your needs.. I normally also use up my OEM tires, then when I need new tires I upgrade....hope that helps!
JOE BACAL thanks. Also just saw your video on how to get tire info. Super helpful!
@@leenestle Appreciate it!
@@sanddrifterjb Ha ha, so funny to hear that even you use up your OEM. I thought I was just being a cheapskate! That said, when you upgrade - Wow is that 2nd set better.
Great informative video, I was skeptical about this brand, did my own research, couldn't find any info worth wild ..
I'm kind of weird about tires on my service truck, anyway nice marketing ..
I'll have the tire dealer put 4 of these guys on tomorrow.
I can tell you I work with many tire brands out there and some are not great due to poor or "cheap" rubber compounds, or design etc. I don't work for Toyo as an employee but am hired as a consultant to find real world driving issues and how to improve these findings like we did from the AT2 to the AT3. I also really like many of their products on commercial vehicles and for towing. Thank you for the kind words...
Hi Joe, just subscribed to your channel and watched the Confused about buying tires video. Love the ratings on the Toyo site, really answered the questions I had and also helped me determine which categories are most important to me when looking for a new tire. Coming from BFG KO2s, I am looking at the Toyo AT3s as my next tire for my 5th gen 4runner. How is the durability against chips and chunking on high speed gravel/rocky type terrain vs the RT? Also, will there be an RT2 in the near future? I feel like the AT3's are more on the RT side of things.
beez33 Thank you for the kind words and appreciate you subscribing to my channel. I also have BFG’s and they are a good tire but really suffer a bit on noise and ride comfort compared to the Toyo AT3. When it comes to the RT’s I personally haven’t tested them but are a bit more aggressive from a tread design to the AT3. I also am sure the compounds are much different. I currently have a P-Metric set of the AT3’s on my 4 Runner and I really like them. I can’t say for certain how they hold up on high speed gravel roads etc. Toyo does a lot of durability testing so I think they are easily as good as BFG. I have another car with K02’s on it and drive both often. Huge difference in road for sure when it comes to noise. I used to race for BFG and love their products, however I like the Toyo’s much better.
@@sanddrifterjb again thanks for the information Joe!
beez33 Anytime! Take care🤙
I'm loving my Toyo AT3's in 35/12.50/R17!!! 2 months in now with a couple thousand miles already, tested on the rugged Arizona terrain.
Blackwater Lotus good to hear! That is my home town and where I tested the tires!
@@sanddrifterjb awesome, I went through Table Mesa a week or two after I bought em. They did well.
Blackwater Lotus I am in Anthem. Lol. The rocks there are really sharp. Tire placement is critical.
@@sanddrifterjb indeed, made it through no problem
How is the on road performance.. like noise? I’m sure that off-road they are amazing
Do you have an opinion on the Continental Terrain Contact AT? I do mostly roadway driving so even though I like the look of the ATIII and Toyo's reputation, I am a bit worried about how it would last with that aggressive pattern on there. Do you have any insight? Thanks.
Nick C check out m.tirerack.com/tires/ratings-review.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=TerrainContact+A%2FT&fromTireDetail=true
I didn’t test that tire in my recent line-up but the Tire Rack does a great similar test that may give you the information you are looking for. I did test the Michelin and it was very good in almost all categories due to its less aggressive design. Lacks a bit off road though. Hope that is helpful. IMO Continental makes great tires and is a top tier brand for sure.
Had a set installed on my 2020 Dodge Durango today. They are P-metric. I was looking for an all weather tire to replace the awful Bridgestone 422 tires from the factory. The AT3 is more durable than factory Bridgestones. But has less road noise from rough pavement and a smoother ride. I live in Lancaster, CA. My handling test track is Godde Hill rd. Which has severe elevation changes, with curves that kill people. The AT3's worked very well. My preferred brand of tire is still another brand. But the AT3 is much better than the Toyo AT2 or the HT. They don't slip at all on a hard turn from a stop. When I got the tires installed, the temperature was below freezing. The tires were reasonably pliable. There were only 3 brands that offered a 3PMS tire in a size for my Durango on the stock rim. And based on my 48 years of driving experience. I am confident these tires will perform very well.
Nice to hear that you so far like the performance and ride etc. I grew up in Valencia so not to far from you. I rode at LACR back in the day! I think you will find the 3PMSF certification is noticeable way over the non AT2. 👌
Love these tires just bought a set for my 4Runner
Any noise on the 4runner so far?
how are they 2 yrs later?
Thanks for the video
Looking forward to the release in Europe and to see what size we can get
Hi Joe. I’m looking at the Toyo Open Country AT3 vs. the Nitto Terra Grappler G2 for my 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 Hemi. I live in CO and frequently drive the mountain highways but I’m probably 85-90% on road and 10-15% off-road. My main concerns are road handling/traction in wet and snowy conditions, noise and smoothness while driving, and the life of the tread. Durability and off-road performance are other considerations. Do I sacrifice anything with the G2’s that the AT3 offers?
Justin- Thanks for reaching out and great question. As you know Nitto is owned by Toyo and have very similar manufacturing processes. Both tires are great choices and personally I like the Toyo brand a bit better but that is 100% just a personal preference. When it comes to directly comparing the AT3 and G2 , they both are 3PMSF certified which helps in CO. They also have similar rubber compounds and design features. One thing I like and feel is a bit better from a tread design stand point is, the outer tread blocks are more aggressive on the LT AT3 and look much better IMO. This design will improve holding effort in off road situations. In the end both are great choices and very similar over all. Hope that helps
Just subscribed - this was beyond informative, and to be answering questions? A total godsend.
Which brings me to a question!
Once upon a time I had a Ram Rebel (gen1), It had stock Toyo AT2s. Skipping a long story, when it seemed to get rainy AND cold, those tires slipped way too much for my tastes. As a non-expert that "read some things once or twice" I had suspected it was due to the rubber compound vs the cold.
I went to BFG KO2s, loved them. "Mushy" sidewalls, but they the grip was more than adequate for my tastes in the conditions I drove it.
Years later, Gen 2 rebel, stock Duratracs. I think these tires are better than some give them credit for! Though the "weak sidewall" rumors scare me some.
I'm thinking I would like to one day move from these 33.2in tires, to a lift and 34.3in tires.
Goal: a larger than stock tire, with a 3 Mountpeak rating, and avoiding ruining the MPG.
I've assumed the best foot forward would be:
1) Keep some rake on the vehicle for payload, and I'm thinking there's an aerodynamic effect as well. It was designed with that rake after all!
2) 34.3in tires that are in the narrower 11in width range, vs 35x12.5 range - less tire to move.
3) A lighter tire if possible
4) A treadpattern that is "less aggressive" offroad wise, in a tradeoff for less rolling resistance on road.
I was looking hard at the Falken AT3Ws, but the stat sheet says they are heavy!
The KO2 doesn't exist in this size.
I saw the Toyo AT3s, but I felt a little burned by the wet performance of the AT2s.
After seeing this video, which has been unbelievably well timed, direct, and informative - I'm actually thinking this might be the tire for me.
Verymuch like the performance of the Falkens, but they appear to be somewhat lighter.
What are your thoughts?
Would the Toyo AT3 have a touch better MPG on road than the Falken AT3W due to lighter weight?
For MPG purposes, would it be a better idea to run 34.3x11.6s instead of 35x125s?
Am I missing a tire I need to be strongly considering?
Thank you for thoughts, and answering everyone's questions!
JP- I thank you for the kind words.....so here is a little background when I tested the AT2 during the early development of the AT3. The AT2 did well but did have areas we could improve and wet performance was one of them. Toyo changed the compounds and tread design on the AT3 to improve wet and even snow performance over the AT2's which we were able to do. As for the Falken's go, I was a huge fan of this AT3W tire up until last month where I heard that they have changed their compounds on a running change which has noticeably "cheapened" the tire. I tested the previous (before change) and the new change and it is like night and day! they tested last in almost every category! before the production change they where my number #1 pick Anyway, My top pick for wet was the Cooper, 2nd was AT3 Toyo and 3rd was the BFG K02. This was mainly for lateral grip in wet conditions on the test track. As for wet stopping objective data, these tires dropped down the list and was just average for the shortest stopping distance. I have been hearing good MPG numbers for the Toyo and I can 100% honestly tell you that the Open Country AT3 will out perform the Falken and k02 in wet handling! I hope this is helpful! I don't get kick backs or anything so I am really just sharing what I learned on the track!
@@sanddrifterjb
Thank for the reply!
Looks like the AT3 are the presumptive nominee. Lateral grip in the rain + snow performance are high on my wants
That's awful about the falkens, I got the impression that their rubber mix was basically the secret sauce that made it a concensus good pick. Undoing that is downright sad
J P cool! Glad to be able to throw in my 2 cents.
@@sanddrifterjb will do!
@@sanddrifterjb so I did get a set of the AT3s! The road performance vs the duratracs, it feels like a racecar by comparison. The lateral grip on dry pavement is very, very nice. I had a feeling the roadmanners would be good but wow! Didnt get to drive it yet in the rain, cant comment on wet performance
Thusfar at least while new they make no noise under 40mph, they are suuuper quiet. It does pick up at 50-70mph, nothing out of the ordinary for an A/T, I'll be interested to see about the sound after breaking in
Overall thusfar, week 1? Very pleased, glad I got them! They have a classic look too, it's an all business look
Hey Joe. I’m looking to upgrade to 35’s on my tacoma and these have some great options. It’s my fault driver but I head to Moab and Colorado to crawl at least a few times a year and do short trips around the northwest. I don’t want to lose the traction offroad I’ve enjoyed so far from ridge grapplers or KO2’s but if the difference is marginal I would seriously consider these at3’s. Can you shed some light on how you think these would compare in rock crawling Moab/Colorado situations? Thanks!
Brian Faris I have spent a lot of time in Moab and Colorado over the years testing, so I can shed some light on this subject. First off, the K02 is a great tire in these locations as well as the Nitto’s. The LT AT3 is not as aggressive as the Nitto but when it comes to grip I think you will find that the AT3 will do very well. If you run into some wet conditions on the slick rock, even better. A lot of technical rock crawling is driver dependent. I have taken OEM tires through areas most would not believe so to answer your question if you decided to go with the AT3, I think you will be happy but most of all you will get a very well rounded tire , quieter and even improve MPG as a bonus.
JOE BACAL awesome thanks so much for the quick response. I’m that’s great to hear. I’m between their 35/11.5 and the Kenda Klever R/T 35/10.5 just having trouble deciding between the two.
Hi Joe. Thanks for sharing all of this information with us consumers. I’m looking at the P-metric version of this tire for summer use on our ‘13 LX570. Use case is 95% pavement with the balance on gravel roads and no towing. Do you think I would be better served by these OC AT3’s over something like BFG’s new trail terrain T/A or similar “trail” tires?
Glad you found what you were looking for. As for the LX570 goes, I have a lot of miles in that 200 series. Amazing vehicle. Anyways, I would absolutely go with the AT3 Toyo over the BFG. I tested both in comparison and, although I raced for BFG for years and love the brand, they are not ideal when it comes to the K02. Not sure on the new Trail Terrain? The K02 are great the first 6 months then they start to really change. They get hard and noisy. The AT3 is IMO a better all around tire, especially from a pattern noise side. As for the AT3, as long as you rotate often they will wear well and stay quiet! hope that helps. I would also probably go with the LT since the LX isn't the lightest SUV on the market. The LT looks a way better from the larger side wall lugs then the P-Metric too. Cheers
@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for the detailed reply Joe! We 200-owners are very fortunate to have a professional driver who also reviews/develops tires and races our platform! You're an incredible resource for us. You and I are 100% on the same page about the superior looks of the LT-metric over the P-metric, but I was concerned about a harsh ride with the LT since they are going to be mounted on the OEM 20" rims. Sizing will be 275/60 (33.0" dia.), please let me know if that changes anything with your recommended load rating. Thanks!
@@0kkin Thank you for the kind words. I feel after testing both the P-Metric and LT, I don’t think you will notice much if any between the two unless you did a back to back comparison. Even then it’s minimal at best. If your asking what I would do and running the OEM wheel? I would still run the LT, but that is my personal preference. I like the look of the LT much more and would be ok for any minor trade off’s. The RT is also a good choice if you are looking for a bit more aggressive tire below the M/T. All valid points, I think if the 200 was any lighter I might agree more towards the P-Metric. Again totally what I personally would do. Reach out anytime if you have any 200 questions 😎
@@sanddrifterjb Perfect! Thanks for all your help Joe. I'll definitely reach out if I have other questions. Cheers!
Hi Joe! I have a 2020 Land Rover Defender and I'm considering the AT III vs Nitto Terra Grappler G2. 70% of my driving will be on-road, but I do plan spending a fair amount of time on desert trails here in SoCal. For my truck what are your thoughts?
Steve- Very cool! I had a 90 for awhile and trained with the Camel Trophy guys to learn off-road technical driving... I am also familiar with many trails in So Cal. I grew up in Valencia. As for picking the best tire for your vehicle, the A/T's are the way to go. You also probably want a pretty quiet ride since that vehicle is so nice inside! Both the Toyo and Nitto are great picks. Toyo owns Nitto so basically you are getting similar tires in many ways. The good thing about both of these tires is that they use the same manufacturing process which is one of the best in the industry. Tire Run-Out or "roundness" is superior and requires little weight to balance. This is great for wear over time and less rotations and vertical vibration. To answer your question however, I like the Toyo better since it's their latest and greatest! Plus not only does the Toyo AT3 work better in the snow due to the 3PMSF certification (Nitto does not) for your Big Bear or Mammoth trips, they look much better IMO. The noise factor will also be lower with the Toyo. I would not get the LT unless you plan to tow with it. Stick with the P-Metric. I hope this helps and reach out anytime!
In Canada (alberta) they don’t sell AT3 (currently) but have AT2 All weather with snow flake. I just installed a/w on my 17 Ram Rebel. Factory size. I head to mountains 🏔 as season pass holder for skiing ⛷ and hope these are as good if not better than Duratracs (loved) which I have owned 3 sets of.
I got these mainly because of low road noise, longevity and hoping fuel ⛽️ economy is same as the factory AT2. I was able to peak at just over 1000km on 100 litre tank with a hemi! Averaging 850km mixed driving. Get out and find some POW !!
Thanks for the video and info. Really informative. I have a 2020 Ram 1500 laramie crew cab with OEM 22's. Just bought 20 x 9 - 0 offset. I have a 2" Mopar lift and looking at these. Just confused on size. Do you suggest 305/50R20 IN THE XL OR LT295/55R20. THE WEIGHT DIFFERENCE SEEMS BIG TO ME. I WANT A GOOD WET DRIVING TIRE KINDA QUIET. DO NOT GO OFF ROAD, MAINLY HIGHWAY AND CITY. I DO HAVE A DOUBLE JET SKI TRAILER THAT I DROP AT A RAMP THAT GETS ROUGH AT SEASONS END. THANKS FOR ANY SUGGESTIONS.
Good question, I think you have to consider the "look" you are going for and like you mentioned the load requirements. You probably could get away with the 305/50R20 on load ratings with the XL just towing a jet ski trailer, but if you intend to throw more weight on it , then I would lean toward the LT. Your best bet is to confirm specs with a local Toyo Tire dealer in your area.
@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for the quick response. Right now that is the extent of the towing. Don't plan on any more than that. Love the look of the tire. What do you think about the big difference in weight between the 2 sizes. Also is there a noticeable difference in the comfort of the ride between the LT and XL ? I've never bought different wheels and tires before. It is really good now even with the 22's.
Thanks again
@@richiecapuccino9853 Here is my 2 cents .... I don't think you will see a difference in the weight between sizes. When it comes to ride comfort, we did see some small differences in ride comfort feel overall from the P-Metric to the LT, but not enough to change my evaluation rating. I can tell you that you will absolutely see a difference in ride comfort from the OE tire that comes on your vehicle changing to any A/T. If you have never changed your tire and wheels from OE to aftermarket and are concerned about ride, then you maybe surprised that their are some negatives in that area in comparison. However, you get more positives including a more aggressive look then your current set-up.
@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for thee input. Much appreciated.
can the AT3 fit a jeep wrangler Rubicon with 16 inch wheels? this was great informative video thanks for all the information.
Thanks for the kind words! I would go to www.toyotires.com. They have all of the specs and sizes there. 🤙
Great info Joe, thank you. Really appreciate insight from someone with credentials on these topics, vs the typical youtube “experts” haha.
Do you have any experience or insight on the Firestone Destination XT? I love the low weight and aggressive siping on that tire. Curious how it stacks up to the Toyo AT3.
Matt - Thank you for the kind words. I don't have any test time with the XT. It was not one of the other competitors that we included during development. I would suggest checking out the Tire Rack site. They may have some good data on them. Also, Consumer Reports do a pretty good job when it comes to ratings. Hope that helps.. Joe
Thanks for getting back to me@@sanddrifterjb ! Have you had any experience with the Cooper Discoverer AT3 XLT?
@@mdtwyne I have tested the Cooper AT3 but not XLT version. Cooper makes a fantastic AT I would recommend all day long
Great content! Awesome review! I am actually debating between this tire and the wrangler duratrac. I live in Louisiana so I think I will encounter more mud. What are your thought? Keep up the good work!
P.S. Do you have driving classes?
Thank you! Still new at this TH-cam channel stuff but working at it! As for my 2 cents on what tire would I choose? I do like both but on looks alone, I have to go with the Duratrac. It is more aggressive looking and will perform better in MUD due to the tread blocks which sounds like an important factor for you. Here is a quick list of areas the Goodyear did well comparing against 7 competitors-
OFF-ROAD - Rank / #1
DRY STOPPING DISTANCE- Rank / lower 3, not ideal
WET STOPPING DISTANCE- Rank / mid pack
RIDE COMFORT- Rank / #1
DRY HANDLING- Rank / lower 3, not ideal
STEERING FEEL- Rank / top 3
WET HANDLING- Rank / dead last
SNOW PERFORMANCE- Rank / good overall
I hope this is helpful. I don't really do any type of driver training anymore, except for fire depts. in off-road conditions and recovery. What are you looking for? I know instructors all over the country for both on and off-road.
@@sanddrifterjb mainly wanting some off road training in the future i am planning to move out to Colorado (west slope around ouray) and will be working for the forest service and i have some experience (been up engineer pass and imogene and several around that area) but would just like to get better training.
I wouldn't mind taking some on road classes either.
@@sequoia4567 I can point you in the right direction. I know a few amazing off road instructors who taught me over the years out of Grand junction if you are interested.
@@sanddrifterjb I definently would be that sounds like an amazing opertunity. Thank you!
Also the tire compariosn that you referenced where would one go to look at that. I was wondering how the toyo at3 compared.
Sequoia 45 o would reach out to Bill Burke @ 4Wheeling America. He is a former US Camel driver and absolutely the best instructor in the country when it comes to technical driving and recovery. Also, as for the actual data on all of the tires that I tested, I am not sharing it. I will answer questions that are related though.
Hi joe. Have you had any experience with the Firestone xt. Toyo at3s aren’t available in Canada until sometime next year unfortunately. Curious if the xt is even in the same league
John- I personally haven't had a chance to evaluate the X/T as of yet, but I have tested many of the Bridgestone / Firestone products over the years and really do like them. The Firestone X/T is absolutely comparable to the Toyo AT3 and they both have the 3PMSF which is a must in your neck of the woods! Keep in mind that just because it has this certification, this cert does not include a lateral grip test. I find this odd and not really a 100% true test to claim that any tire with a 3PMSF is "ideal" in the snow. I tested many tires with this certification and some without the 3PMSF in snow conditions performing lateral grip maneuvers and some were way off the mark! Just wanted to add this small tid bit of information. Some may disagree but data is data ......Anyway, I think you will probably be pretty happy with the X/T regardless. Bridgesone / Firestone do their homework on the development side! The side by side pic looks very similar as well when it comes to siping and design functionality. Hope that helps
@@sanddrifterjb The one thing that makes me wonder about the XT is how much lighter it is compared with other tires.
Joe, what do you know about the Toyo CT; does it offer any advantage over the AT3?
I have not had the opportunity to test the CT comparing it to the AT3, but the main differences are the CT is more of a commercial grade tire that may perform better on the durability side as well as in colder climates. It is set up for studs and may be a bit quieter than the AT3 overall. I feel the AT3 will out perform the CT in off-road conditions on a design side. This is the best I can do with out to a back to back. Hope that is helpful
Joe, this is the best review on these tires I've seen. Thanks! Do you have any experience with the Yokohama Geolandar G015 compared to the Toyo AT3? I need to replace the G015 we're currently running on our Subaru Outback in 235/65R17 for 3 season duty (with Nokian studs for winter). I'm trying to decide if we should stick with the less aggressive G015 or step up to the AT3. Snow performance, wet performance, and gas mileage are biggest factors (in that order). Also, does the siping on the AT3 go the full tread depth?
Thanks for the kind words! I do have experience with the Yokohama G015 compared to the AT3. The G015 was one of the competitors I tested and it did well for the most part. I would go with the P-Metric and not LT which you have listed. Just wanted to throw that important info. in there for the type of vehicle you are driving. I have a modified CrossTrek and love it! To answer your direct questions see below:
Snow Performance -
AT3 was better in every category over the G015
Wet Handling Performance-
G015 was better than AT3
Wet Stopping Objective Data-
AT3 had a shorter stopping distance 60 to 0 compared to the G015
MPG-
I don't have this data since this is something I don't normally test for at the track
Siping depth-
It looks like the siping depth varies from full to quarter, as they have a few different design cuts on the blocks. That may be a question for corporate to fully answer.
I hope this is helpful and good luck with your decision.
@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for the detailed response. Very, very helpful!
I'll contact Toyo corporate re siping -- not full depth might disqualify these for me. Pretty sure the G015 is full depth in most if not all the blocks, as evidenced by my worn tires.
I'm a little unsure what you mean by the size I listed is LT ... I was pretty sure the 235/65R17 size is P metric for both tires, but I'll definitely double check before purchasing.
Would you put the AT3 on your Crosstrek?
auvgeek you are correct on your listing of the P-Metric. I was not trying to confuse you but wanted to make sure that was your direction. I wish I had a better answer for the siping which is really important in your location. Hopefully you can confirm the depth. As for running the AT3 on my Crosstrek. I would most definitely 👍
auvgeek Let is know what you find out about siping depth, if you don’t mind!
Spenser I will see what Toyo engineers say
How are they in a lo pro 225/55/18? I’m hoping to get rid of some harshness on my Crosstrek
I can tell you I own a 19’ cross trek with BFG K02’s with 17” tires. They are pretty low pro so I have first hand experience at least on the BFG’s. They are not ideal for harshness and deflection. Way to stiff IMO. I also have some Toyo AT3’s P metric on my 4Runner and they are so much better in many ways. I would say you will like the AT3’s in p metric with a lower profile tire. I still get a little noise on the highway but much better overall on ride.
About to pull the trigger on a 2020/2021 F-350 SRW 6.7 STD Bed. Going to have the Carli 2.5/3.5 Pintop Suspension (the works) installed. Looking at the Toyo AT3. The goal in doing the suspension and tires is to improve on/off road handling. I want it to track true on straights and throughout turns. I don’t want to be constantly making steering corrections because the tires or suspension are not tuned to the vehicle. I also don’t want any dead spots or slack in the steering feel. I like “predictability” along with a smooth and quiet ride.
Most of my driving is highway miles. AZ to UT to ID to MT or AZ to TX. The off payment driving is mostly forest service, logging, ranch roads that can be a mix of harsh washboard to sand to hard pack. Since spring and fall is mostly spent in MT wet and snow/ice is common. Some of the roads I travel have shot rock (blasted granite) which can be very sharp. Also AZ where I’m based has a few cactus. I don’t haul heavy but do tow 10k to 15k bumper pull toy hauler. Typical fishing/hunting trip is 4 guys (1,000 lbs), gear in truck bed (500-1,000 lbs), and 1,000 to 1,500 tongue weight.
So my tire questions are... 18” vs 20”? 35” vs 37”? Looks are secondary to performance/feel. E (10 ply) vs F (12 ply)? Thinking E rated are fine and afraid F rated will be stiff/harsh?
Priority is able to safely handle the weight, predictable handling on dry/wet/snow, track true (sports car handling in an 8,000 lb truck), quiet smooth ride.
Before I read all the comments I was sold on the Toyo AT3. I’ve had the Nitto TG G3 and viewed moving to the Toyo AT3 as an improvement in grip and better winter driving capabilities. However, in one of your comments it looked like the Faulken scored #1 in many categories and the AT3 was in the #3 position in only one category and off the board in others. So, given the info I’ve listed... Is Toyo or Faulken a better choice. Someone mentioned “Roundness” which you translated to “run out”. I have had issues with finding wheel and tire combinations that balance out with low weight in the past. How do these two manufacturers ranks from that standpoint?
Thanks! I really enjoyed watching the high speed runs in the Super Duty! Next time maybe some air!?!
Sounds like you like trucks!
Anyway, you have a lot here so I will do my best to answer......
First off, why are you going with the Pintop vs the Back country? The Pintop seems to be more aggressive off-road and from what I am reading maybe not necessary. The AT3 Toyo should improve on /off-road performance, but as soon as you change the suspension set up, tire etc. you really are just guessing when it comes to pro's and con's. I can tell you that King and Fox both make great products and I am sure the Carli components are also pretty decent. I think the Carli parts are a bit overpriced for what you get but that's my opinion. I can also tell you that Carli isn't testing every tire combination with there suspensions so, although you may see improvements in some areas, you may see losses in other areas. You are saying you want good straightline stability? Well when you change the tire, wheel specs and suspension the sensitivity and or controlability will also change...... just can't answer how much and what direction. If you speak to Carli and they say (without testing properly that truck with the suspension upgrade and the Toy AT3?) your exact specs will improve?.... I call BS. In some areas sure but no way can they be certain without a test like I do. Always give and take when it comes to aftermarket components. Ford spends a lot of $$$$ and manpower on their suspension development so keep that in mind. Anyway, moving onto the suspension and tires being "tuned" to you vehicle? Again, hopefully Carli did their homework in this area but I would be very surprised if you get more directness out of your steering at center. We call this yaw delay and if the front and rear suspension isn't matched or (lots of tire deflection) comes into play you will have a delayed or a wide "V" not matching your steering input. So when going around a corner you again may experience not ideal handling since you are installing a lift and depending on how the low speed damping is tuned and sway bars etc. you really don't know what you are getting in the end. I am not trying to be negative in anyway, since upgrades like King etc. work amazing, but they only work amazing when the package is all dialed in. I live here in AZ and tested the AT3 here at the test track. The AT3 worked well in these conditions. I also like how well it did compared to others in snow etc. You asked about tire size. Well that is pretty subjective, but your ride comfort will most likely improve with an 18" over a 20". However your handling will get tighter and sharper with a 20" simply due to tire deflection and especially since these trucks are so heavy. I had a F350 crew cab long bed 6.7 and installed a set of Methods and BFG K02's on 20" wheels a few years back. I was actually pretty happy with it and added a leveling kit similar to the Carli. It worked well for me for what I was using it for down in Baja. 37's are pretty big for towing and how you plan to use your truck. I would personally stick with a 35". E rating will be fine, again from what you are describing to me. You can do the math on the max load ratings per side for each tire in needed.
So speaking about the Falken tire, this is a sensitive issue for me now since the Falken I tested was , yes really good and ranked #1 in most categories I tested. However, I recently learned that Falken has changed their production run and changed some compound features making it "cheaper" for them to build. This change (I tested) was very noticeable from a previous version and so for that reason I would not purchase a Falken AT3W. Again my opinion. Let's talk "runout" or roundness...... The Toyo and Nitto brand tires are probably one of the best when it comes to adding balancing weight to a tire. BFG is probably the worst from my experience. This comes down to the method and build process. Toyo does a great job IMO.
I hope this is helpful and the only "big air" I get is in a Trophy Truck!! with 4.5" triple bypass shocks! Something to think about is you don't really need external reservoir shocks unless you plan to do a lot of washboard surfaces, or lots of bumps over a long period of time. The monotube design work well for shorter bursts but do get hot and fade once you reach there peak... Good luck in the new truck!
JOE BACAL thanks for your reply. All very helpful. Will stick with 35” AT3 on 20s. Also like Method wheels. They have some HD versions that will do the job. For me, deciding on suspension upgrades is always a complex process. Too many choices and new technology. I’ve been down this road before (96 F-350 CC, Excursion, Toyota with Icon Suspension). I’m just starting the research process on upgrade options for the current gen SD. Right now King and Carli’s custom valved King Shocks are at the top of the list. I had great luck with Icon on the Toyota. I just can’t find any recent reviews of Icon on current gen SD. Thanks again for your very detailed response to my laundry list of questions. Cheers
Trout Hunter no problem. Feel free to run by other questions not related to tires if need be. I personally am not an ICON fan. I have tested a lot of suspension kits over the years. Lots of good stuff out there. Good luck.
Putting these on my 2016 Tacoma SR5 4x4, getting the 265/75r16 in the SL rating .. only 41lbs each, better for my 4 banger. These ATIII's sound like great tires
You will be happy with them!
Hey how have they been working for you? I just ordered the same tire, have always ran LT but went SL this time. Keep reading that SL tires will blow up as soon as you hit a trail..
@@christophercashin3125 very happy with them so far, they are still quiet and they performed well over winter. Have not had them on any trails so far but i don't know why someone would say they will blow as soon as you hit the trails
Hi Joe, I've got a 2019 Ram 1500 new body style with the factory 22 inch wheels which are 9 inches wide. My truck came with 285/45R22 XL tires that are not very aggressive looking. I've installed a leveling kit and would like to install an all terrain tire to complete the look. I don't want to go too big, so I was thinking about a 33 inch tire. I really like that the Open County 3 has the 3 Peak rating since I live in Ohio and we do get snow from time to time. With my wheels would you recommend the 33x12.50R22LT or the 305/45R22 XL tires?
So your 285/45R22 OEM tire compared to the 305/45R22 is
Is 32.1” to a 32.8” difference in dia.
Width is 11.2” to 12” the 33x12.50 is measured at 33” where the 305 is at 32.8”. The 33” is also .5” wider. These are not big changes but you just need to make sure if you go bigger you won’t have any rubbing. My background is more on the actual testing side then fitment area. I just would do the math and make sure a 305 and or the 33” will work. It also depends on the look you want. Offsets are also important to know how your wheel is mounted to the hub. I would suggest talking with Discount Tire or a local tire store just to be safe.
@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for the quick reply. I've been researching in the Ram Forums and I'm pretty sure that they will not rub. My main concern is that the 305/45R22 has an approved rim with of 9.5 to 11.5 and mine are only 9.0. I think that the 305/45R22 will be a lighter and smoother riding tire than the 33x12.50, but the approved rim width has me worried. Would there be an issue mounting the 305/45R22 on a 9.0 wheel? Thanks again.
cdub11121 looks like a 9” maybe pushing it with the 305? You can check Toyo’s web site to see if it falls in the window. Also many shops like Discount won’t mount a tire if the wheel specs are not correct. Just an FYI
Do any of the AT3 tires have a 3 ply sidewall? I've been considering the 37x12.5R18 Load E for our Truck Camper. But concerned about off road durability (especially aired down) regarding sidewall strength. Thanks!
E is a 10 ply and if you air down, depending on how loaded down your camper is? you should be fine. I would assume your speed is low aired down.
@@sanddrifterjb Correct it's 10 ply. But is the sidewall 2 ply or 3 ply? Most AT tires have 2 ply sidewalls. Sidewall thickness is very important for off road durability especially aired down.
@@TruckCamper I’m surprised the question was misunderstood. I’ve been wondering the same thing.
Great info.. i ordered 4 yesterday 265/70r17 with a set of slingshot level 8 wheels.. How do you think theyll look on stock suspension on a 03 Tundra?
Nice! I think they will look a bit more aggressive then the OEM M+S tire with an aftermarket wheel. Keep them rotated as often as you can to prevent increasing road noise over time.
@@sanddrifterjb Will do! Thanks for your reply.
Joe Bacal, great video! If I could get your opinion. I have a 2015 Chevy Colorado Z71. I drive 90% Hwy, the rest is gravel or mud, hunting and fishing. Never got stuck in my 245/70R17 Toyo AT2's, got over 80,000 on my first set. Got over 85,000 on my current set. But cant find AT2's anymore from my local dealers. Do you think it is probable the AT3's might have the same Hwy to Offroad wear. I drive about 50,000 a year on average.
Bill - I would check with your local dealer on wear mileage for the AT3. My focus was on tire performance rather than wear longevity. I can tell you that the AT3 is better than the AT2 in several categories. From what you are doing from a driving side, you will be very pleased moving into the AT3.
I have them for my Rubicon. Just checking out the reviews. I'm not going to put them on until Nov.
Great choice! - If you have a set, I would suggest you make sure they are in a climate controlled area if you don't plan to mount until Nov.... If they get hot in the summer months, especially exposed to the elements, rubber doesn't do well and isn't really ideal for many reasons..
@@sanddrifterjb Ok thank you. I have them in my basement
@@sanddrifterjb Thanks Joe that's good to know. I'm in the NW and was considering putting them on a MaxxHaul Tire Dolly with a weatherproof cover. They'd be outside but our temperatures are mild, rarely in the 80s in summer and not too many freezing nights. Would you just not do it or do you think that will mitigate some of the effects. I'm planning on having one set of tire for October/Nov to April May (good in wet & snow) & a set of MTs for summer here in the PNW (probably KM3s). I'm putting the Toyo AT3 on our 4Runner which drives across the West between KC & Seattle with lots of time in CO & UT. I love the 3Peak Rating. We've run ATII on 3 different trucks (Pathfinder & Jeeps) and have been very happy with them - man do they wear well. I think they do pretty decent in snow too so I'm really excited about the ATIII upgrade.
Ordered some to replace the Ridge Grapplers I just destroyed.
Great video! I would like your opinion on buying tires for my 2007 F350 4x4 DRW truck. I carry a 3800 lbs truck camper in the bed and I go off-road with it occasionally. I also go off-road without the camper on many more occasions. I travel a lot in the winter to winter destinations like the UP in Michigan and to the mountains of Colorado and further out west so winter traction is somewhat important to me a couple of times per year when hauling the camper. I currently have BFG KO2s on my truck but I am needing a new set. The tires have been great with no complaints regarding winter traction or off-road capability and toughness. I have 40k on them with 5/32" left and I just punctured a front tire out at a haz bin dump site running over something I could not identify. I almost bought the Continental TerrainContact tires last time but they were still new and reviews were sparse so I bought the BFGs. I like the ride comfort and wet handling ratings (we get lots of rain in KY) of the Conti's but they lack in the snow traction department. So, now comes the Toyo AT3s. I have always considered putting the Toyo M-55 on my DRW truck just for toughness and for carrying a lot of weight but the noise factor has made me apprehensive and the the price point (although probably worth it) is pretty high compared to other tires. I like the 3PMS rating on the M-55s but I wanted to see if you did any heavy loaded testing with the AT3. I am wondering about the tire squirm with a lot of weight not knowing how stiff the sidewall is. My duals will mitigate a lot of that, if any exists. Do you have a go to tire for a truck that carries weight like mine? I have peeked at the Open Country CT tire but it does not come in my 245/75R17 size. I know the Open Country RT gets good ratings, too. What advice do you have for me?
Hugh Redmon thank you for the kind words. I fully understand your needs especially when it comes to heavy loads. I have done a lot of limit testing over the years and squirm can be very uneasy. The M-55 is very tough / expensive but proven. I don’t think the AT3 LT would be my first choice. I think they are tough but not as tough as the RT, especially on sidewall stiffness. This should be a major decision maker over other categories if weight is a concern. I haven’t tested the RT on the track so comparing handling, snow etc might be difficult for me to give you an accurate back to back. I know many friends who absolutely love the RT. I think it’s a good balance from the M-55 to the AT3. That is what I probably would suggest honestly. If noise is an issue you have to decide what you are willing to give up. Lots of trade off’s and finding a tire that meets all of your requirements can be challenging. I hope this is helpful and feel free to run more questions by me if needed. 👍
I’m debating between the Nitto Ridge Grapplers LT 285/65R20 and the Toyo A/T 3 in LT 285/60R20. They will be going on my F150 which has a 2.5” leveling kit. Wondering what your thoughts are? I am 98% highway, some off-roading during hunting season. Thanks for sharing.
Grey Wolf67 basically same brand, like BFG and Michelin. I used to test with Nitto on occasion and I was impressed with some of their tires. Here is an interesting fact, they both use a manufacturing process to get really good run-out numbers. This method helps with less balance weights compared to other competitors. Back to answering your question, I wouldn’t run the LT’s unless you plan to tow or put more weight in the bed. They are more designed for the F-250/competitors overall. I wish that I can say I have direct test data comparing these two but I can only speak for the Toyo AT3. The P-Metric meets your needs and may even come in a bit lower on cost? Hope that helps. 👍
JOE BACAL That helps a lot. Man, I appreciate your response and feedback. Thank you very much. I will go with the P-Metric sizes. I only occasionally use it to haul anything and don’t tow anything heavy. Thanks again. Take care
@@aqua.scape69 You bet! Anytime ...
Joe can you tell me what size AT 3 tires were on the Blue F150 and if it had a lift kit it suspension kit? My son just bought these and he loves them.
Yeah no problem, I used the P-Metric 265/70R17. The F-150 was 100% stock no changes at all except we ran the Method Wheel and Toyo Tire
@@sanddrifterjb I was planning on a P-Metric 275/70R17 Toyo ATIII for our 2018 4Runner that runs between KC & Seattle but hits CO & UT trails for a month or more a year. Tangential question, for my modified '02 Pathfinder, which is a PNW weekend camping/off-road day trip truck, I was planning BFG KM3 for the summer season but I was thinking 10" (like 255/75R17) instead of the ubiquitous 12". Several experienced "overlanders" feel skinnies give them more contact patch and I've often been glad I'm skinny, never wished my wheels were thicker for getting through obstacles. I'd me interested in your opinion of 10" v 12" in both AT & MT
What’s the ride quality with these? I am thinking of getting 5 C rated 285/70R17’s. Mostly highway but we get some rain and light off roading. Just curious as to the road noise.
Ride comfort is above average after testing 7 other competitors. It had a a nice round well damped clean feel. Road noise is also good in comparison. I have a set of the BFG K02’s on one of my vehicles and a set of the AT3’s on another. Night and day in comparison. I love BFG’s but they are firm and loud. Hope that helps
Hi Joe- do you have any feedback on the General Grabber ATX; and if so, how do they compare with the Toyo AT3’s? I e read thru most of not all of these comments and don’t recall seeing any from you regarding that tire.
The ATX is a solid tire. I worked on the development of the X3 MT some years back, so I have some experience with the engineering team. Great group and I like the General brand. The ATX is a mid pack tire that does many things well but was not a top 5 in my testing when it came to an overall performer. The AT3 out performed the ATX in almost every category I evaluated. Hope that helps
@@sanddrifterjb Thank you for replying; I appreciate it! They seem to be priced accordingly based on your opinions and for the most part get great reviews; especially in snow, which is an area of importance to me. I’ve read comparisons of it vs the KO2 (which it resembles in my opinion) where people have said that it excels in areas where some complain that the KO2 lacks (more siping for improved wet/snow performance).
@@Icutmetal Not a fan of the BFG in snow It was extremely harsh and very non linear during lane changes... ATX was better IMO in snow overall
Hi Joe I have 2013 Tundra looking at the Grabber atx because they are studable. I live in the Poconos and have to drive 70 miles each way. Sometimes on icy night driving. What do you think of those. Or compare the at3 or goodyear was looking at the falken until I been reading what use said? Thanks for video it was very informative
Thank you for the kind words. I would look at a 3PMSF cert like the Nitto G2 or AT3 Toyo. I didn’t like the duratrac on average. Stay away from the Falken. I really liked it but they changed it to be garbage. I would look at the G2 or AT3. Imo
@@sanddrifterjb what do you think of the general grabber?
I’m interested in how the AT3 compare with General’s ATX as well, which seem to be getting great overall reviews- especially in snow. They also cost a fair amount less.
I bought some for my discovery sport, love them.... a little noisier than the regular tires on the streets but way better off roading
I had the originals tires which are the pirelli scorpion verse all season plus
"Verde"
Glad you like them!
We tested against 7 other A/T's but used the current Toyo AT2 as are baseline to beat. We were able to be a bit quieter over the AT2 but their were a few competitors that was a bit better on the noise side. The Toyo AT3 was a great all around tire which was higher than most out of all categories tested. The LTX's are quiet but more of an on road tire as you mentioned and not great off road or aggressive looking... Sorry for the late response, I must have missed it!!
@J Thank you! Much appreciated 😎
I like that they have a size that fits under my crosstreck.
I also have a 19' Crosstrek that I did some mods too. Just make sure you get the P-Metric
Hey Joe. I’m sold on the AT III’s, but I have a serious question. I have a 14 Touareg TDI which I’ll be taking off-road. 2 inch lift. Bash plates etc. I’m concerned p-metric tires won’t withstand as serious threats to puncture, slashing and destructive abuse as an LT tire. Thoughts or advice ? Thanks, John
The LT outer blocks are more aggressive than the P-Metric and will perform a bit better off road IMO. You can go with the LT’s but you will need to run higher tire pressure and your ride quality will not be as good. You don’t have the curb weight to deflect the tire like you would on a P.
They work, just some trade Off’s to consider
Just got some new 285/70/17 at 3 to replace the at2 and i hope they are good in the rain because the at2 sucked bad in the rain but was amazing other than that.
I agree the AT2 did suck in wet and snow. The AT3 is much better 👌
I've been running Toyo tires on all my cars for years and still do. Now, I want a set of A/TIII and while they do produce the exact size I need, they don't sell them in Europe. In fact the importer of Toyo in Denmark told me this morning, June 2024, that Toyo just shut down their factory in Europe... He said that Toyo are in fact pulling out of the European market. So bad news.
Falken doesn't make their proper A/T in my size so I am left with the many year old BFG K02 as the new K03 is also not made in my size...
Come on Toyo, I've been using tons of your tires for years and years. Get back in Europe and sell us some good tires!
If you Toyo read this, you can talk to the Danish importer of Toyo, and they will know who I am, and have my contact details, in case you want to sell me the good stuff.
Until then, I am pretty disappointed over Toyo's moves.
Cheers.
I am curious about the new at3. I drive a diesel dually ( Ram 3500's until my 2019 Ford F450. ( just sold it) I have tried the ST Maxx, BFG Ko2 and lastly the toyo m55 on the ford. I mostly use my truck for towing 18,000#s but occasionally empty. I drive in all conditions in NE Ohio, travel to Michigan UP, and Ontario in winter. Want a better riding tire for the normal driving. What would you recommend. Sincerely, Lee
Lee- Great question and my next door neighbor has a 2020 RAM 3500 and tows a lot. He asked this exact question and decided to give the LT Toyo AT3 a try. He absolutely loves the look and ride comfort overall. He mentioned that he gets less lateral movement with his large RV trailer and straightline stability is also improved over the OEM tire. I can tell you that wet and snow is very good when I tested them on an F-250 in these conditions. I am a big BFG fan and raced for them for years. However, they are very noisy and get hard (harsh) over time and don't do well from seasonal cold to hot transitions from a rubber compound side. I think you will be pretty happy with this tire in the conditions you are describing .
Very tempted to try these out on a 2019 4Runner TRD Off Road. I do mild off-roading... do you recommend LT or P? The only reason I'm apprehensive of LT is decreasing MPG, noisie/rougher ride and worse handling due to tire weight. I feel like P can hand my needs well? Or are the sidewalls significantly stronger on the LT version, and would that help with rocks hitting the sidewalls, especially when aired down?
I can tell you that if you plan to do mild off-roading then I would go with the p-metric's. They are designed for less weight and do improve MPG. Keep in mind that I also suggest not airing down much if any. The sidewall stiffness as well as the outer lug grip design is a bit more mild compared to the LT spec. I have done a lot of wheeling and yes, the p-metric will be less strong than the LT, especially if you drop the pressure down significantly. I personally don't air down if I am doing mild stuff, maybe a bit to get better ride but if you stay on top of the rocks and pick good lines, you will get much less flats or damage to the sidewall. You have valid points, I hope this is helpful!
@@sanddrifterjb This is very helpful indeed, thanks for the reply. I did have a hunch that I should not air down much (maybe 20 lowest, down from the 32 PSI default specs). But I can see where airing down can be helpful.
Speaking of relatives, what do you consider an acceptable amount of airing down on the P spec? Assuming that the vehicle spec is 32 PSI. The 4Runner weights below 5k lbs.
Also helpful to know the outer log grip is different on these! Had not seen that on the interwebs...As a side note, I wish there were more accurate photos of this new product on Toyo's website at least for each size.
Rethinking it, 25 PSI is probably the lowest I'd go... I'm not very brave in the middle of nowhere. :-)
Morteza Karimzadeh honestly, unless you have a way to air up after you go off road, I wouldn’t. I have tested on some very hard trails during my TRD development days and we never aired down. Does it help, sure but with out a bead lock wheel or if you go under 20psi in deep sand you may pull a bead turning hard with some speed. Always trade off’s to when airing down. You will lose a bit of ground clearance. In the end, my tip is always roll over the rocks and not around them. Take your time and pick good lines. I have 2 Runners. Love them!
@@sanddrifterjb @JOE BACAL Right, I do have a decent air compressor, so no problem there.
Your point about clearance is well taken, I tend to not lift the vehicle.
And you know, I always do try to climb the rocks, but much easier said than done, especially when sliding side ways :-)
Also cool to know TRD testing was done without airing down.
I just ordered some at3's in 35x11.5-17's. I currently run two sets of tires on my jeep 255/80-17 Falken at3w and ST Maxx's in 315/70-17 both do really well but the Coopers tend to get really loud after 10,000 miles for some reason even tho the tread is completely even. I have had several sets and all of them have done it right about 10K miles. The Falkens have stayed quiet so I am hoping the AT3's are quiet as well. One thing I am a little leary on is the photos of the AT3's have wimpy looking sidewalls. I have run a lot of Toyo in extreme size and they have one side of the side wall that is more aggressive I am hoping the AT3 is the same way but Toyo does not mention it so probably not. I like that the 35x11.5 is C rated as I run them on a rubicon 4 door.
jeff dobie nice! The LT AT3 Toyo has a more aggressive side wall closer to the Falken. The P metric is not as raised or aggressive just so you know the difference.
@@sanddrifterjb well apparently the Toyo at3's I ordered are on national backorder with no ETA.bummer. I wish the Falken AT3w in 35's were C rated....
@@jeffdobie9070 That's a bummer. I am seeing many things hard to get due to the Covid delay...
@@sanddrifterjb I ended finding them at tirebuyer.com Mine are on the way but they said the Toyo in 35x11.5-17 are in low supply right now altho they said they still had them thru out their 120 warehouses.
Looking at switching to these tires on my '21 Ranger Tremor, any comments on the Toyo AT3 vs the General Grabber ATx? Will be going from LT265/70/17 to LT275/70/17. Ironically the Toyo weigh the same as the smaller General on the Tremor which is a plus for me. I do tow a 19' single axle travel trailer too though. Appreciate any thoughts on the comparison.
I can tell you either tire choice is a good pick. I helped develop the General X3 MT when they launched and spent some time with there AT's at Conti's proving ground. Great all around tire IMO and easily as good as the Toyo AT3. Hope that helps.. Cheers
@@sanddrifterjb appreciate the info, thanks!
Hey Joe, just ordered an A/T 3 for a full size spare for now. Is the A/T 3 a 3 ply sidewall cannot find info anywhere
Kelly Abelmann Kelly- I just asked my Toyo Tire engineer to confirm. Here is his comment. “Both 2 and 3 ply depending on the size and the need for it. All specs, including ply construction is on our website”.
I hope that helps👍
@@sanddrifterjb I went with a 35x12.50x17 10ply for my PowerWagon and living and spending most my time in the Rocky Mountain west try to get as tough a tire as possible. Really enjoyed video
Kelly Abelmann I really appreciate it! Glad you liked my video. Still trying to figure that TH-cam channel stuff out. Lol. I have spent some time over the years wheelin’ in your parts so I get it! Enjoy🤘
Hello Mr. Bacal -
I enjoyed your frank comments on the AT III. I have a 2017 Ram 1500 4x4 Crew Cab Ecodiesel. It’s a daily driver / commuter. My stock Goodyear Eagle RSAs are toast after just 32k miles (and I am a stickler for maintenance). At any rate, I’m considering going with a Carli Commuter 2.0 Suspension in order to improve overall ride quality and I’m considering the AT IIIs in 295/60/20 (P-metric). I would like to maintain a fairly quiet and composed ride, increase my wet roadway handling and have a semi-aggressive outward appearance. Will the AT IIIs be my best choice, sir? Thank you.
Robert Haven I appreciate the kind words. Let me look at my data and do some comparisons so I can give you my best answer.
JOE BACAL Thank you, sir. I look forward to the info.
@@roberthaven3340 After looking at my data and what seems to be important to you, below is a top 3 list of tires on how they performed in comparison. I can tell you that you will be hard pressed to find all areas in one tire. You have trade off's like the aggressive lugs and outer appearance. The Toyo AT3's in P-Metric may not meet your expectations on a cosmetic outer look since they are a bit more mild than the LT version. However, the Toyo is a pretty quiet smooth overall tire. Ranked 1-3
Ride Comfort - 1) Falken AT3W
2) Hankook Dynapro
3) Michelin LTX
Quietness - 1) Michelin LTX
2) Yokohama AT
3) Toyo AT3
Frequency Vibration - 1) Falken AT3W
2) Hankook Dynapro
3) Michelin LTX
Wet Handling - 1) Michelin LTX
2) Falken AT3W
3) Yokohama AT
Semi Aggressive Sidewall- 1) Falken AT3W
2) GY Duratrac
3) BFG K02
I am thinking you may be most happy with the Falken according to my data? and your requirements in a tire. I am not sure how they compare on tread wear numbers. I hope this is somewhat helpful.
Thank you, Mr. Bacal. I’ll look into the Falken.
One last clarifying question, sir...
Are you in reference to the Michelin LTX Defender or the LTX AT2?
How do these perform in mud and sand compared to the nitto ridge grapler?
I have not tested the Toyo AT3 to the Nitto, but IMO the Nitto is a bit more aggressive. This may help with better performance in the mud, but in sand both tires with good wheel spin will work well. In my testing over the years, I found that A/T's out perform M/T's in areas like sand and even hard packed dirt roads, ice and low snow levels. Probably more info. then your asking but thought I would share.
Hi Joe,
Any experience testing Continental TerrainContact AT? I won’t be doing much off roading or need to deal with snow. I live in FL so wet traction is very important for me. I am seeing mixed reviews on Toyo OC AT3 for wet traction & road noise
Hey Mike - I Don't have any direct comparison data for the Conti's but I do think they make a great tire. I spent many days on their test track in Texas, so I have high confidence in there products. As for the the Toyo AT3's, I can tell you that the AT3 did exceptionally well in wet conditions compared to 7 other AT's I tested. I am not sure who you want to listen to when it comes to reviews but if your reviewers are not testing on a test proving ground then I would take that info. with a grain of salt. Their is a lot that goes into tire evaluation and consistency from a driver and surfaces or vehicles cannot change. Also, I have a set of the AT3's on my 4Runner and I started to get some road noise. I rotated the tires and that helped a ton. I recommend rotating AT's often for this reason. Not sure this is helpful but that is what I can share with you. Cheers
@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for your reply! I placed my order on 295/60/20 Toyo OC AT3 with Discount Tire today!
Hey Joe,
I’ll be in the market soon to replace my Nitto RG on 2019 Ram 1500. Was Falken AT4W & Toyo AT3. Just saw some Maxxis Razr AT811 online. Any experience with testing them & if so how did they stack up compared to Toyo AT3?
Haven't spent anytime in the Maxxis. I have tested with them in the past and they are another company that makes decent products. The Falken "was" a great tire but would not recommend them now. You can read previous comments that I get into more detail on that subject. The Toyo AT3 is a solid pick and ranks in the top 3 out of 7 A/T's I tested.
@@sanddrifterjb Thanks. Curious, what were the other top two you tested?
@@mikepaul4184 lol he wont say i bet....i bet it was wildpeak3 and ko2 or mt baja
@@AA-ih6kt I went with Falken Wildpeak AT3W to replace my Toyo AT3. Happy with them, especially in this Florida rain
LOVE MINE ON THE OUTBACK 2015
I’m torn between the Toyo AT3’s and Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT’s. The MT’s are 9lbs heavier per tire and I’m wondering if there would be a noticeable difference in mpg 275/65/R20 on F250?
I don't have any experience with the MT brand but 9lbs is noticeable, especially if their is any runout.
How does Geolandar G015 measure up with the Toyo AT3 and Falken Wildpeak AT3W in terms of performance and ride comfort and noise? What would choose as a daily driver? Thanks!
In my testing, the Yokohama was not as good as the AT3 or Falken in almost all categories and average in wet/dry stopping distance. The biggest issue I had with the Yokohama's was simply the non-linear yaw response 2 stage condition. This tire is not matched and becomes a handful quickly under limit conditions. The noise and ride comfort also was not as good as either the AT3 or Falken. I am a big Yokohama fan and almost every tire I test from them seem to do well. I was very surprised on how this Geolander performed overall and was not impressed when it was compared to 7 leading A/T competitors. To answer your question on a daily driver I would need to know where you plan to drive, vehicle and common surfaces you are exposed to for me to make that choice. I hope this is helpful.
@@sanddrifterjb Appreciate for taking the time! Thanks for the helpful advice! It would be a new Jimny, mostly city driving, paved roads with some having a gold mine of potholes and road cracks.
@@markantonioalcid5640 I would go with the Toyo AT3, especially since I just heard of production issues with the Falken AT3W's yesterday! Can't get into that but I think you will be pretty pleased with the overall performance from Toyo.
@@sanddrifterjb Great! Thanks for you valuable advice! Keep up the great content!
Hi joe. I have a 2014 ram 1500 and am curious if the p rated toyo at3 with the extra sipes will be better for icy hard pack winter driving compared to the Lt at3
John- I don’t believe the tread is any different or sipping from a P-Metric to a LT. I tested both and the only visual difference that I picked up on was the side tread blocks. The LT’s are raised a bit more for more bite!
This AT3 as you can see in my data in the video scored high in winter conditions!
@@sanddrifterjb ok thanks joe. The pics on there website show about twice as many sipes on the p series but must not be made that way
John macqueen I would have to confirm this with Toyo HQ. I would be surprised if they where different. This would be something I would need to be aware of during testing. Don’t remember any differences besides the outer raised tread blocks
Hi. Looks like there's 2 version of toyo oc at3 for 265 60 18. One has speed rating of H while the other is T. I'm guessing there will be a performance difference between the two?
which tire ranks best for (1) hydroplane resistance, (2) wet stopping, and (3) ride comfort/noise between AT III and Falken AT3W? Thanks.
If you would have asked me 6 months ago I would have said Falken in all areas is a better tire then the Toyo AT3, however Falken recently did a running production change and the tire rubber compounds are now "cheaper" The testing I did was way off the mark on the Falken and it was not even close to the Toyo AT3 now. I even double checked this finding with an older pre-change AT3W set, and yep completely different. It's crazy to me how companies like Falken can build great products and then change them to be garbage! I loved them and they were amazing in almost every category before.... don't waste your money now..... The Toyo is absolutely the way to go in comparison.
@@sanddrifterjb I've heard same thing recently, sad news since I was about to buy a set and the AT3 isn't available in Canada 😒
@@sanddrifterjb that's crazy about the Falkens! I own a late model 4Runner, and I'm looking for tires. Most of the Toyota guys tell me to go with the Falkens. But that's pretty disappointing seeing that they cheaped out on the quality of the tire, because I've noticed over the past few months the price seems to have risen dramatically on the P rated size for my 4Runner. The Falken was touted as a great value, though it seems like they've lost most of their value advantage.
I'm leaning toward the Toyo AT3 or The BFG ko2, though from your testing it seems like the Toyo would probably be the better fit, though to be quite honest I much prefer the look of the BFG. I kind of feel like Toyo missed the mark with the sidewall design, they should have benchmarked the KO2 or the Falken for a more aggressive look.
I also wish the Toyo was available in a load range C in my size, because the KO2 is one of the few tires available in a 265/70/17 C rating.
So as far as the load range, the Toyo is so far available in either the P or E rating in the size that I need. For a 4Runner that will eventually see some off-road use, would I be better off going with the E rating over the P?
I live in New England, and while I don't do a lot of off-roading yet, I plan on getting further into it. We do get snow and a lot of rain here, so performance in the wet is important.
@@trailrunnah8886 I can tell you we did do a comparison with the BFG K02 and although the BFG scored well in the rocks it suffered in other areas. It was one of the worst in the snow when it came to being extremely firm and harsh. I am a big BFG fan and love the brand but the tire is just average in many categories we tested. Yes, more aggressive is a good direction but if you look at the Toyo AT3, it is more aggressive on the sidewall in the LT spec. They make a P-Metric spec for the 265 but it is even less aggressive on the side wall tread design. The AT3 did way better on a noise side than the K02 and also is great in snow and wet IMO
@@sanddrifterjb thank you for the info, I really appreciate the quick reply! One more question, I saw that the 255/ 80 /17 AT3 is an E Rated tire, but it's only 50 lb which is only a few more pounds than a C-rated 265 BFG. 255/80 size is 33.1 x 10.0, vs 31.6 x 10.5 for the 265.
Do you think the E rating would be overkill in a 4Runner? I'm now thinking I may go that 255 80 route in order to get a larger tire that's not necessarily that much heavier.
I am mostly stock, not all overloaded with steel bumpers and a roof-top tent and all that stuff haha.
I am sold on the tread of the AT3, I love the look of the S shape in the middle. Reminds me of the old Suzuki logo haha.
Hi Joe
Just bought a new 2020 3L Silverado diesel. Have 2.5” lift and buying 275x70R18.
Live in Canada and go throw all type of conditions specially snow. My 2 choices are
Falken WildPeak AT3W
Or
Toyo AT3
I know you’ve reviews both and sponsored by Toyo but what’s your honest opinion. What’s the overal better tire? Yes snow included, Canada we get ton of snow.
steve melo Steve - sounds like a very nice ride! I am actually not sponsored by Toyo just have been contracted to test for them. I have only raced for BFG so they were a sponsor for many years. What I am getting at is I don’t lean any particular way and I will only give you my honest opinion based on actual test data.
Both of these tires are solid picks, however after learning of a production running change on the Falken’s, I would now not recommend that spec. The AT3W has now different rubber compounds and during our testing I couldn’t understand when I tested the AT3W’s many months before, they were by far the best all around in almost every category. Then during my 2nd round of testing they were suddenly way off the mark and one of the worst tires tested against 7 others. We then confirmed new and older spec back to back and I was was correct on my evaluation conclusion. Anyway, long story but I would go with the Toyo for that reason. If the Falken wouldn’t have changed then I would have said Falken is best for your conditions. I hope that helps.
@@sanddrifterjb it helps yes and no. Thanks for your quick response. You do an amazing job on these reviews.
Truck runs amazing and getting 7.5L to 100km hyway driving. Trucks unreal, love it so far.
As for tires I just called all over the place. Actually even called Alberta since I’m in British Columbia. No one in Canada can get Toyo AT3, seems to be only in US right now. Talk about a buzz kill.
Falkens however I can purchase. Funny how you say different rubber compound effected tire performance. I noticed in 275x65R18 it comes in 3 different ratings.
Load range P- Standard
Load Range C
Load Range E.
Now saying that the different loads in tire and ratings maybe could have affected the performance second time around for you?
Now that I can’t get Toyo AT3 in Canada and you say stay away from Falken I’m kind of screwed now. 2 best tires I recommend in my option now out of the equation. Back to square 1 at nothing :(
@@outyxt800 That is kind of a bummer. To answer your question on compounds, I tested the same LT E rated on both so I am 100% doing a back to back comparison. Plus I have an inside source that confirmed the production change at Falken. They are making the tire "cheaper" now and many who have purchased this tire in the past (old good spec) will now get the (new "cheaper" spec). Falken will deny I am sure but that is cost cutting at it's best! really not cool IMO. The Cooper and Goodyear tested well in the snow might be another option for you? Feel free to reach out on a tire that you are interested in and I can see if I have any test data on them.
@@sanddrifterjb ok so I just picked up some Cooper Discovery LT275x65R18 and studded them. I wanted 1 tire do all however I really want those Toyo AT3 for summer. Slapped those winter tires on the stock 18” rims and use that this winter. Hopefully that gives enough time for those Toyo AT3 to come into Canada next year. Hopefully they are in and I’ll take those with some nice new rims as well. I looked at BFG T/A ko2 and Grapplers A/TX. I don’t know about you but the grapplers have more tread depth and the siping on the tread are deeper on the grapplers then BFG. Also the tread gap on the grapplers are a smitch wider as well. I like that as it will give a tad more traction off road over tighter tread with less knobs/siping. I don’t know what all the praise is over this BFG T/A KO2 but seeing it beside the General Grapplers A/TX I’d take the grapplers all day every day. Another Bonus is you could also stud the grapplers.
Another tire I hear all the time is the good year duratrac. Seeing it first hand as well very disappointed with them. The siping is like couple mm deep. Once tread wears past that this tire is pretty much useless in the snow. How it has a 3 peak mountain Symbol on them boggles my mind. More of a entry level mud tire then all season lol.
Got my hands on the Falken wild peak at3w and I really like that tires looks. It’s tempting however hearing what you said about them I may just go for the Grapplers A/TX. I had grapplers at2 and really liked them. Hoping the new updated one is even better. What you think?
@@outyxt800 That is a lot to digest but first I agree on the BFG K02 I love BFG and they put me in the top box in Baja many times, however I am not sold in the A/T market. They tested well in some areas and really fell of the mark in others. Snow performance was not my favorite overall. As for the General, I actually helped develop the M/T X3 and it out performed BFG in several areas. I like General and think they make a good tire. I also like the fact that they are connected to Continental and that also is a top respected brand. I personally haven't had a chance to test the AT/X but I wouldn't hesitate to give them a try. I also think it is a smart move to keep the 18's on a Cooper for snow. I love the Coppers!
I run the ATII's size LT285 70/R17 on an E350 Quigley 4x4 & have about 35-37k miles on them with 9/32 tread(new is 16.3 as per Toyo website). What would be the difference for me to upgrade to these? Are these more aggressive like the MT's? Mine are mostly highways queens and then snow for the winter. Are these still in the same category as the ATII's? Do they wear better than the ATII's? Louder on the highway than ATII'S? - Thanks in advance.
If you look at my data in the video I do a direct comparison with the AT2 compared to the AT3. I listed many gains and improvements over the AT2's. They are a bit more aggressive, especially on the side wall blocks over the 2's. The AT3's are not as aggressive as the MT's but are a 3PMSF certified tire so they do well in snow conditions. The AT2 was not a certified snow tire. The AT3 is the next gen AT2. I had AT2's and now have AT3's on my 4 Runner. I actually like the 3 better for wear and road noise as I also mention this in my video during my testing.
@@sanddrifterjb Appreciate the response back. =) Yeah sorry got sidetracked, just watched the video, very well put together & we'll now I know I'll be buying the ATIII's hahah. I really love my ATII's just by the shoulders and sidewalls they are starting to crack like dryrot, the tread is still fine just the age of them is about 6 years old.
AT3 rocks in the mud and snow up here above the arctic circle in Inuvik
One Happy Customer : )
Glad to hear you like them..... stay warm!
I’ve been looking at AT3s to replace my KO2s on Jeep JLU diesel but I’m very intrigued by the new RT Trails. What are you thoughts on the those?
I recently tested with Toyo at the Test track evaluating the AT3 to the RT Trail. Toyo keeps improving and I think I found my new favorite tire. The tread design and overall performance was even that much better IMO with the RT Trails 👍
Pavement / Dirt / Wet handling and Ride Comfort scored well.
@@sanddrifterjb thanks for the quick reply. I plan to look at both.
@@sanddrifterjb I was a little concerned about the few extra pounds that the RT Trails weigh over the AT3s for the 35s but I’m thinking with the torque of my diesel engine, it shouldn’t an issue. The RTs seem to be less weight than many other ATs or Hybrid brands and I like the D range instead of E.
@@richardmoore2003 Agree. As a test driver even for me, the tire extra weight is very difficult to feel. If I was racing, then I take it more serious.
@@richardmoore2003 Anytime, Good luck 😎
I'm looking at a set for my FJ Cruiser -- size would be 265/75R16 -- I would prefer a Load Range C but you can really only find that in the Duratracs at that size. In my case would you recommend the SL version or the LT Load Range E?
tself77 well here is one way to look at it. The P-Metric will look a touch different on the outer sidewall blocks. (not as large and aggressive as the LT) Also how tricked out is your FJ? Do you have bumpers, winch, roof top tent etc? Will you be towing? If this is the case you may consider the LT. The FJ is my favorite 👍 I have had four of them!
@@sanddrifterjb 2 weeks later I'm still debating it haha. My FJ is going to be kept stock for the most part. I use it in remote real estate appraisal logging a lot of miles. So mpg and overall drivetrain wear is important and I pay a lot of attention to weight for that reason. However I love the look and meatier tread/sidewall of the LT. I'm seeing 41 lbs for the P Metric and 50lbs for the LT Load E....seems like they would have a big market for a LT Load C around 45lbs for Toyota 4x4s in that stock size. Thanks again. Enjoying your videos!
@@tself77 Thank you for the kind words....... Don't take this to seriously but I would say after owning 4 FJ's and being on the FJ development team, you may want to sell it if you are that concerned about weight and MPG being that important to you. I am joking of course, but I think the FJ never really looked good out of the box with the OE tires. I prefer the A/T or M/T. I see your point with weight, but this rig is not a Prius and the aerodynamics alone is an up hill battle. Trade off's for sure just my two cents and nothing will compare to the OE M+S tire when it comes to MPG. The OE tire does very well and I have taken that tire through the Baja 1000 race course many times without an issue. Keep the OEM tires unless you really see a need and don't mind taking a small hit on MPG changing to an A/T.
@@sanddrifterjb Point taken haha. So long as I'm not subjecting myself to a horrible ride quality I think I'll go with the LT version. I've been getting 19-20mpg stock so if I get 18-19 with LT tires no big deal.
tself77 if you have any FJ questions feel free to reach out! Dig those things! Have built up plenty and can tell you what parts to run. 👍