Many Saints was the worst fucking thing I’ve ever seen. An affront to the memory of Gandolfini. The son has a physical resemblance and that all. He sucks as an actor.
@@jsilva4847 Tony heard the shot when Corrado shot him because it wasn't a kill shot. Bobby heard it because he didn't get shot in the head. My theory is that Tony got shot in the head, thats why he didn't hear anything.
Tony died. Every time the door bell rings the camera switches to Tony's point of view, seeing the world through his eyes. At the final ring, the audience saw the first twenty seconds of Tony being dead... He never heard or saw a thing. I'm also fairly certain it was the "Member's Only guy" who shot him and I'm pretty sure Meadow was about to break the news to her family that she was pregnant.
It also goes in line with when Tony and Bobby Bacala are out on the boat and they talk about being hit, Bobby says something like "You don't even know it when it happens". Along those lines.
@@hockyjocky4 exactly! That’s one major reason I’m convinced too. David was so specific about any tiny detail like that.... he’d never put it in if it didn’t mean something.
Don’t forget the orange cat in the back wall of the restaurant and the death house from his dream in mayhem on the wall as members only guy walks to the restroom.
No he didn't die. He could have. That's literally the whole POINT of the ending. The final episode (again) brings up the idea from Tony that big mobsters end up either dead or in prison. So the last episode brings up a possibility of Tony going to jail (Carlo testifying) and Tony being shot (the last scene in the diner). But the last episode, after all this time, also brings up another possibility. When Tony finally talks to Junior again after all that time, he realizes that there are worse fates than death or jail. The whole point of the Sopranos ending is to create a "Schrödinger's cat" situation, where Tony isn't dead or alive. We simply don't know. If David Chase wanted Tony to die, he would've made that the ending (it was originally his plan to just have Tony die on screen). The last scene isn't about whether Tony lived or died. It's about what's really important in life, the little moments. Do they have to spell it out for you people? I mean come on. These themes are present in all 6 seasons of the show. And here people are arguing about Tony died or not. IT'S NOT RELEVANT. Sopranos was always much larger than that. Way more philosophical. "You probably don't even hear it when it happens right" This line by Bobby is just meant to set up the possibility of Tony dying in the finale. It doesn't mean that he 100% died and there's no question about it. Also, did no one get the hint from Bobby's death scene? The fact that Bobby not only heard the shots and looked right into the eyes of his murderer, but then is also conscious to feel multiple bullets hit him before he dies. Takes almost a whole damn magazine to take him out. "You probably don't even hear it" yeah, right. If you're really lucky, maybe.
I think the point is that the Sopranos was so huge that the fade to black was more for us. We as watchers always want more but eventually it will always come to a close. When he said he wanted to rip it away it was from us not tony. Thats why he never wants to be clear about if he dies or not because thats not the point. The point is the end will come, whether your ready or not.
true. it's interesting that over time people have almost taken the opposite view, wishing that GoT had ended earlier etc. whereas back then they wanted so much more that this ending was meant for them, and pissed them off accordingly.
There were 3 or 4 scenes in the last episode where 3 things happened in sequence. A bell rings. You see Tony. You then see what Tony sees. I don't remember them all but one was the bell on a small boat. And in the end, the bell over the door rings. You see Tony. Then you see nothing. Because Tony doesn't see anything anymore.
Also the bell on the door ringing at the end reminds me of John Donne's line "Ask not for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee" -- which could represent TS's impending death and funeral as well.
The Sopranos actually had more depth and layers of meaning then I realized. Even Tony dream about Big Pussy betraying him was giving hints that there were others who were going to betray him.
He did. I originally hated the ending but I appreciated it as time went on. And yes, I watched the episode on my old, small TV and I smacked the shit out of it when the screen went black.
If you can't make everyone happy with the ending (and any ending would have been a disappointment to many) , at least make them think about it and discuss it for years on end. That way they all have their own ending in mind.
At first I was baffled. Now it chills me. That black silence was the ultimate Noir ending to a Noir series. It seems almost gentle, but it's an absolute violation.
@@wadewilson8011 people have interest and constantly rewatch the ending, Chrissy said hell is like watching your own death over and over,also when he walks in the dinner he sees himself at the table.
@@thetechlibrarian interesting mind sharing more of this theory it’s sounds incredibly plausible with only this one example i would love to see if there’s more too it
3 a clock, "never hear it coming" mentioned and shown over and over, first image on last episode = Tony in a coffin as in a wake, weird atmosphere at the last sit down with NY where agreed to hit Phil (wacked in front of his family and he also never hear it coming), the last scene with the POV and many more hints that point out he's done. People are still in denial. Chase will never admit this and you cannot take all that he has said at face value. The fact that Chase admitted that he first thought about screen goes to black and Tony wacked by NY will be the close admission from him. But many people still are in the phase of denial.
@@belak1551 Nonsense. It was 'originally' planned to be a death scene, but then he said he changed his mind. That's why he referred to it as "that" death scene.
Fun fact This is a call back to almost every murder in the series. Because NORMALLY when a mob guy dies in the series their family is told "no one knows what happened" and it's a pain Tony has inflicted upon so many of his friends and family The silence says so much. What happened to Adriana? She ran off with another guy. She's happy How about Ralph? Don't know Tony's dog? He went to go live on a farm The ambiguity you feel is a hint that he got killed
It's really nothing to over analyze about this. Yall know what happened. Tony got wacked while having his last supper with his family. He knew his days were numbered and was tired of living his life in fear and paranoia. This is why he had his last talk with Paulie about taking over the crew. Tony gets to take one final look at his daughter as she walks in and boom !!! They left it black because out of respect for his legacy they didn't want to show his brains getting splattered all over the table. End of story. Either way it was a brilliant ending.
I respectfully disagree with you on that, it's ambiguous as to Tony's fate. It's heavily implied that he got clipped. We the audience are left to our own conclusions due to the fade to black screen. We saw a lot of bodies throughout the six seasons and we never saw Tony drop. David Chase has been vague about his true ending. Either way, it's one of, if not the best show ever.
@@pinehawk9600 He was referring to another take that was was shot that wasn't used where Tony got whacked. Chase was notorious for filming multiple endings or death scenes.
Not me. Tony was the absolute worst and most of the familys tragedies where linked to him in some sense Him dying was really the best thing for medow, aj and carmella
@@TotalTech2. hahah what. Father getting brains blown out in front of you is better for them? Hell why don’t the feds think of that more often when relocating families!
I always go back to the scene in which Patsy warns Gloria to stay away from Tony and his family. He tells her that if she doesn't, the last face she sees on this earth will be his, not Tony's. "It won't be cinematic," he says. That may be what Chase had in mind when he has Tony look up and see Meadow just before the end; of the series, if not the end of his life. In the final scene, we learn the truth. Death is not cinematic. It's just a cut to black.
What really made me sad and gave me chills is realizing that Junior outlived so many people and probably doesn’t even remember them….being all alone and probably doesn’t realize it.
13 years later and I still search for videos about that final scene. And I'm just one of millions that do the same thing. How many of you were pulling for Tony to not die at the end? He's charismatic, for sure. But why root for him (based on his actions)?
I like to call it the Protagonist Sydrome. You root with whatever the protagonist does, solely because you see the story from their perspective. I wouldnt cook meth, but i rooted for walt because he was the one the story focused on. Now if BB was done from the POV of a cop, I would root for the cop.
Seen a video somewhere, Tony was the first network star to commit cold blooded murder. The executives were outside themselves not to air the "college" episode. David Chase stuck to his guns (pardon the pun) and aired it anyways.
The new movie coming out has me watching the series again. I’m on season 2 episode 8. I’m also watching every video about the last episode. I saw a great one earlier today, where that girl Ant Jr met in that psych ward, Rhiannon. And her pic was in Butch’s hair salon , so there’s that connection there. That whole scene similarities between That Scene in Godfather where Michael kills the cop and other monster. Both killers went to the bathroom, etc Either way, it’s my fav show!!
I should also add that the diner itself is symbolic. It is no longer Vesuvio where one night they found shelter from the storm. It's more of a Twilight Zone situation...
People that don’t like the ending did not get he clues. His daughter being late was a clue cause she would have blocked the view of the shooter. Every time the bell rings We see Tony face and what he sees 1st 2 was random people the 3rd was wife the 4th person they showed was his killer who was in front of his son so why would they show dude first over his son? It’s cause he’s more important in that scene.He sits down kinda nervous knowing he’s Rey kill a man and front his family. He goes to bathroom so he cAn be on Tony’s blind side (3oclock) position the 5th time the bell rings is when his daughter comes in and he see darkness cause that’s when he gets killed. Clue his son who was there said his father favorite scene in from The Godfather when dude comes out the bathroom to kill and that’s exactly how he died. We ain’t have to see it to know it. When Tony came out his coma it was bright white his daughter was the first face he saw and when he dies his daughter was the last face before the blackness.
It is sooooo obvious that Tony gets shot in the final scene. They kept showing the obvious “mob looking” guy in the members only jacket. The last time being when he goes to the bathroom and the men’s room door has a clear, unobstructed line directly to where Tony was sitting. Maybe he was Eugene’s brother and he wanted payback for Eugene committing suicide cause Tony didn’t okay the relocation to Florida. In the scene where Eugene hangs himself, he is not wearing his members only jacket. Maybe he took Eugene’s jacket and wore it when he shot Tony as a ironic eff you to Tony and thus getting payback for his brother. And lastly, the best scene in Godfather when Michael Corleone gets the gun from the bathroom and comes out and shoots the guy responsible for shooting his father. Almost identical and that scene in The Godfather is coincidentally Tony’s favorite scene in the film
Fully agreed. Tony died in that restaurant. 'Tell Tony three 'o clock....' et al hints are all there. Chase probably spared the audience by not showing the very next scene, which would not be pretty..... for the fam & all.
When a show ends and that character is no longer played it is very much like a death. Or it is not a death, and Tony is immortal through rewatching the series. We don't really need to know the exact nature of the character's fate in much the same way that Seinfeld ends. It is what it is.
That's exactly why the jukebox song list was shown in detail. It's "Any Way You Want It -- Don't Stop Believing". People who push their own objective "proof" as to what happened to Tony miss the whole point of the ending.
Come on. That whole season was sprinkled with little clues, especially the finale. It's true, you can literally come up with your own conclusion because you never actually see it (and that's a clue in of itself that was foreshadowed). But I have little doubt David intentionally framed it to be his death scene. Tony forgot about "3 o'clock", because he forgot to watch his or he might of noticed members only coming out of the restroom, positioned to his right.
@@johnlunz8710 Originally, yes. But then he said he changed his mind. Now it will forever be "Anyway You Want It". You think he died? Then you're right -- for you.
Paul West I personally think that Chase was trying to save face at that point, considering his reaction when he realized he said it was a death scene, I think chase always thought that tony would die at the end but it is possible to see it differently too.
My only confusion is when he looked up in the final shot, he would be facing the door. Members only would be coming from the bathroom, I don’t think tony would orient his body that was to face him. Tony does look afraid though.
Yes...in a previous episode, when fishing on the lake with Tony, Bobby talked about the last thing a victim hears is a bell / ring. Hence, the door chime when Tony's daughter enters the restaurant.
I really enjoyed the final episode of The Sopranos. I can’t believe some people hated it or couldn’t work out what happened. The way I saw it, the shifty Members Only jacket guy whacked Tony when he exited he bathroom
I think most people agree. But the main question is by who? He made peace with NY. To the point that they gave up Leotardo. My best guess is that Carmine was behind it, or the Russians orchestrated the whole thing. What are your thoughts?... I enjoy different theories.
@@christopherconicella4285 I think it was Butchie...he saw an opportunity for a power play and got Tony to let his guard down by giving him the ok to deal with Phil.
@@camilocienfuegos2866 But Butchie was never viewed as the main guy and was down on the pecking order. Also it was shown that he was loyal until he gave up Phil.
There are so many callbacks and hints, all the way back to AJ saying Tony’s favorite scene of The Godfather was Micheal going to the bathroom and coming out shooting, just like the guy did in the bathroom and with Christopher saying “3 o’clock”
Patsy set Tony up, so many clues, his twin brother getting whacked, his son would have known where Tony was as he was dating Meadow, and the scene of Patsy and his wife in Tony’s house both admiring it the same way Janice did with Johnny Sack’s before taking it.
Rhiannon was the one who got inside the Sopranos family. This guy on TH-cam explains it and his conclusion is brilliant. Tony was liquidated like Phil in front of his family.
Remember the "3 o'clock warning" after Christopher's clinical death? It wasn't about time... it was about direction. Tony's shooter- the 'members only' jacket guy, was on Tony's 3 o'clock when he exited the restroom and shot him...
Your dead pan joke delivery makes what are easily the smartest, most well thought out Sopranos videos on YT even better. The Noah joke had me laughing my ass off.
I just read a detailed take on another video that agrees with what you said, and when the facts are all laid out, it's equally believable that he had a panic attack, as it is that he was shot.
Until I saw the ending I had hopes of it actually being ambiguous but when I actually saw it I got depressed for a couple of days because having watched the whole show and how the writers tell the story, I had no doubt in my mind that Tony got killed whether they showed it or not
Not only did he die but this is his hell. It's like Christopher told him he has to relive his final moments forever. Tony will forever walk into that diner, sit down with his family, fiddle around with the juke box, look around with a heavy sense of paranoia and then got shot. Then it all restarts he walks into that diner, sits down with his family...
I think that David Chase purposely did things in a way so that the audience could come to the conclusion that Tony was murdered in the finale scene, but left things open-ended enough so that if he wanted to bring back The Sopranos one day with James Gandolfini as Tony, he could do so without having to ret-con anything that happened in the series. I think that's why Chase always gave either non-definitive or conflicting statements about the ending and that before Gandolfini passed away, here was a definite possibility of some kind of reboot, so they didnt want to definitely kill off Tony at the end, but still put in enough clues and foreshadowing so that the viewer could say "For sure this is what happened at the end."
We see Members Only go back to the bathroom, a reference to the scene in The Godfather that we know is Tony's favorite. A.J. tries to act based on that information when he goes to stab Junior for shooting his father, and he fails miserably. When Tony comes to confront him, he says, "A.J., it's just a movie. You gotta grow up." It's about the most emotional scene between Tony and his son. So, connecting those two moments - The Sopranos is just a TV show. Tony isn't killed. Tony isn't alive. Tony never was alive nor is anyone else on the show. David Chase spent the better part of a decade bringing these fictional characters to life, while the viewing public reacted to them in ways that were truly horrifying to him. No matter how depraved and despicable he wrote them, people would still wallow in the filth and ask for more brutality. I think A.J. is a stand in for America and for the show's audience. Selfish, stupid, vain, suckling on the teat of crimes large and small for his petty luxuries, aimless and self-centered. I interpret the ending as Chase's way of saying, life will end; you are mortal; all these trappings that we sin so mightily for are going to vanish in an instant. You gotta grow up, people.
While I know people lean toward the "he died" answer. I prefer just not knowing. The whole point of the ending is that we'll never see what happens to Tony because he himself won't see it coming
I read through some comments that there was a scene in last seasons where Tony & Christopher stumble through a cafe a see him work there. They were debating whether to kill him or not but them discovered the Russian guy has gone little slow and dumb after that shot to the head so Tony & Christopher just left him. Scene was later deleted from the final cut.
I never understood why Chase thought it was so stupid that fans would expect some resolution to that storyline. It's not like Valery was just some random guy, he was closely connected to the head of the Russian mob in NJ!
Did people really want the series to end either with Tony's murder or end on a happy note with the family eating onion rings together or Tony going to prison? No matter what the ending was, seems the majority of people would have hated it. Might as well end it with a controversial abrupt nothingness that fans will still talk about for 30+ years after it aired. Brilliant, when you think about it. Let fans continue to speculate.
I don’t know about this it’s been bugging me all day. Just finished the series today. I don’t think tony is stupid enough to get clipped like that. He was even onto the guy who was watching him.
every explanation except the simplest one--that he died--sounds pretentious, and makes hash out of every detail that you pick up on when watching the last season for the thousandth time. I must have watched this shit twice a year for the past ten years, and each time the logic of the last three episodes shapes up to an unavoidable conclusion: that NY colluded with dissatisfied elements in Jersey to have Tony whacked. The only thing that obscures this is that we are drawn more and more into Tony's own blinkered POV as the season grows
The cut to black could’ve even been a hint that his current life as he knew it was over, & realizing his family means to much to him, he flips on his associates & has to go into witness protection program.
Tony got wacked. The whole set of the scene guides us to this conclusion : we're not following Tony or the family dinner but a more global scene, following a different dynamic, where we can feel drama is coming, and where focus is put on all of the protagonists of the scene, as if all of them are about to experience something, and be part of what will turn out to be a crime scene. Meadow makes it just in time to witness it, no more sound or image for Tony
Tony was not whacked, WE were. I don’t know how people still get this wrong, even after David Chase specifically said that Tony wasn’t whacked. The last shot isn’t from Tony’s perspective. It is from OUR perspective. We are looking at Tony, and he is looking up at the door. Bobby said at the beginning of the season, “I bet you don’t even hear the shot, when it happens.” He’s correct. The person who was whacked (the audience) never heard a thing. We know this, because the show creators fought like hell for there to be no end credits (since if the audience is killed, they’d never see them). They lost that battle because of SAG regulations, so the best they could do was have a significant delay in the form of a black screen before the credits. The last killing was David Chase’s hit on the viewers. The Member’s Only guy whacked US. It was perfect
@@christopherknox That makes no sense at all. Cause we all know we didn't die. We're here posting. Chase slipped up and called it a "death scene" and when confronted with it he froze and responded "fuck you" to the interviewer because he was caught. His first response wasn't to say it was misinterpreted... his first response was frozen shock to the point of telling the interviewer "fuck you" for getting that out of me. All he did was confirm what we all knew, Tony was killed when it went to black. That was his POV, not ours.
I hated the ending initially, but now I think producer David Chase was a freakin genius. Chase really hammered home the message that as a mafia/gang member, the price you pay for a life of money, power, and violence is always having to look over your shoulder. For 6 seasons, Tony enjoyed a life of luxury, power, intimidation, and brutal violence. But that lifestyle is not without a price. You either end up in jail (see Johnny Sack) or you have to be ever vigilant in public that you might get clipped. Here, all it took was one moment of complacency with Tony enjoying a nice dinner with his family; he overlooked a very average looking guy in a Members Only jacket for just a moment, and it all came crashing to an end.
I agree but also it could have meant that he was just paranoid at that point and we the audience felt that. Which was awesome. Like you said he's always looking behind his shoulder. I think the cut scene was tony purgatory or his personal hell. He will never ever be comfortable in life. Always wondering will it happen today?tomorrow? So no matter the amount of sex,money,food, or whatever his life sucks.
To those saying Tony deserved to live/die: "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends" -Gandalf
"Don't stop believing, hold on to that feeling..." Ya, the clue is right there. Everyone missed it but me. Tony lives. The song lyrics literally tells us what to do. We should not stop believing. But, then again, Tony dies. Remember that scene at the Japanese sushi place Tony and Carmela goes to? Nori Sushi, the scene where he eats alone. Mafia terminology for 'greed'. He pops pieces of fish in his mouth. Mafia symbolism for burial place. As in "he sleeps with the fishes". MINCHIA!! Tony, eats alone, dining on sushi, (not baccala), reaches for his chest, symbolism for "greedy portly general who lost his balls". BTW...minchia, the Sicilian slang term for "poos-y".
I just got finished watching the series for the first time, and I think I love the ending. The way I see it, the suggestion is that the life he chose will always have one more threat around the corner, despite how vigilant he is. At least four possible assassins come into the diner, with none of them taking the obvious shot. Any one of them might do it, or none of them. And even as he is surrounded by family and everything he claims to want, and so many threats around all of them, he won't stop until it cuts to black. I don't think he died on that night (if for no other reason than a hit wouldn't make logical sense- who would have known to catch him in that diner?) but his lifestyle will get him there and he kind of knows that.
Every single thing David Chase did, was very intentional, including NOT showing him die. I think Chase was essentially leaving it totally up to the viewer to decide what they wanted to believe. For those that think he was assassinated, Chase left about 10 billion obvious clues that could make you certain that he died. For those that think he just had dinner and then life went on for the Sopranos, Chase left you that option as well since we don't see Tony die. All this time, we've been fooled into thinking it HAS to be one or the other. But it's almost obvious that it's the exact opposite. Instead, it's both or neither or whatever you take away from it individually.
Last comment I'll make on any video or article of the Sopranos but I always thought different theories that he was probably killed but MAYBE he wasn't killed (even at times hoping he wasn't killed even though it was a tv show). Of late I've come to the conclusion that he was killed and Paulie and Patsy were in on it. Makes sense as close as Meadow had become to Jason and as close as Patsy was to his son Jason that she told Jason she was going out to that diner at night with her family and Jason unknowingly told his dad in conversation that Meadow was going out with her family or Carmela in conversation told Patsy's wife that they were going out to dinner and where etc... and he gave the info up. I can't help but notice now looking at Paulie that that LAST LOOK he gave Tony was a look of "sorry it had to come to this". That peace meeting or as we thought who was there? Butchie Little Carmine and Paulie, all three of them had control at that point about what moves were going to be made or cancelled regarding the NY NJ war. Notice EVERYTIME in the past when people in Tony's crew decided not to turn on him what stopped them? It was NEVER about Tony being too good a guy or too effective a leader or any supportive friend like loyalty to him, it was ALWAYS about the fact that it would be too problematic at the time to take him out. At this point with a major RICO case against him imminent, his crew severely weakened between the NY NJ mob war fallout and tension regarding his RICO case coming up, it was frankly arguable that the BEST thing they could do was to take him out and start a new arrangement between NJ and NY. The last season in 2007 was basically about everything tumbling down regarding Tony and his crew and the NY crew and the beginning of life as new adults between AJ and Meadow (even with the tumultuous turns AJ went through in the final season). Probably because of his iconic status, the criminal humor and charismatic nuance when I saw the show back then I liked Tony Soprano as a character but I now realize that his ending was the only ending fitting for someone who was like him. Nonetheless it was one of the best shows ever.
That's a really good comment. I like how you bring in little Carmine. The entire series Carmine's dialog is off, softly focusing on on clear insight till his final walk with Tony to Phil's house. The sit down where he mentions Rusty, the talk about happiness at the golf club. With Patsy, Butchy, and Paulie the dynamics are just as conflicting. Either way, whatever a viewer sees, it's very rare a ending can bring so many dynamics together and still be so ambiguous. The show itself is quite misleading because it paints itself as a gangster film on the surface, however, it's core is a primal psychological battle with ethics and morals to survive. Viewers night not relate to being an actual gangster, but they can definitely relate to the trails of survival in America.
The last scene is clearly a dream, because that's the only time we ever see Tony's POV, is when he's dreaming. At one point, he even seems to be looking at himself. The loud music is from his clock radio. Tony is 100 percent aware of the dangers of eating out, and he knows the gun in the toilet trick from the Godfather. His dreams foreshadow and warn him of danger. Maybe he gets assassinated exactly how the dream shows, maybe he is killed in his sleep by Anthony's friend, maybe he has a stroke in his sleep. We'll never know.
My thought is when Tony looked up at the door seeing Meadow come in, that could be about the time the members only guy came out of the bathroom from Tonys right side and shot him in the head. Just a thought.
Reason for the controversial Sopranos ending goes back to the 1960's hit show The Fugitive. It had a definitive ending and when it was sold into syndication, it bombed in the ratings. Everyone knew how it ended. HBO sold The Sopranos into syndication to another cable company for 2.5 million an episode for a total of 200 million dollars. It was a record for syndication sales. I thought Chase had to guarantee to HBO syndication ratings. Therefore no definitive ending. Tony lives forever. Very few successful TV series have definitive endings. The networks have learned - It hurts syndication sales. Its not good for business.
I still want someone to explain to me the practical nuts-and-bolts of how Tony would've been killed instead of more of the same 'ol symbolic, potentially teased and foreshadowed clues that the writers sprinkled in all throughout Season 6 that everyone cites, yet may not not mean anything at all. I still want to know, "How the hell could the Brooklyn crew have actually pulled it off if they did kill Tony?!" It simply doesn't add up. The one thing everyone always overlooks is why the Sopranos were even at the restaurant in the first place. It wasn't planned. The original plan was for a family dinner at home where Carmella would cook Manicotti, but *she had to cancel at the last minute* when she received an unexpected call about something at one of her real estate homes that demanded her immediate attention. How the hell would Brooklyn have even had the time to know where Tony would be eating that night- so far in advance that they had time to plant a gun in the restroom for the Members Only guy to use later when Tony arrives? It's impossible! Tony was the most meticulous wiseguy of them all. He always knew when he was being followed, and he was thorough in checking his phones for bugs. He especially would've been careful now that Carlo flipped. The possibility that he would suddenly become careless now in the last hour of his life is infintesimal. Compounding this is the fact of where Tony had just came from before he arrived at Holston's restaurant. He was visiting Junior in the nursing home. That was his last stop. Everyone knew Tony loathed Junior after the shooting, so the idea that Brooklyn had guys stationed at the nursing home in case he drops by to visit his senile uncle for the first time in years would've been an idea off the table entirely. They don't have the time and resources to have guys sitting at a nursing home just in case. If mob hitmen really were staking out the institution and followed Tony to Holston's from the nursing home, it removes the possibility of planting a gun in the restaurant in advance since they're the ones following him. Furthermore, if you're actually with Brooklyn and shooting Tony is your assignment, why wait until he gets inside the restaurant first? It'd be far easier to just pull up beside him at a red light and unload into Tony, and then just drive off without anyone seeing who shot him. Which leads us now to the most overlooked characteristic of all. For 6+ years we'd seen how mob hitmen operated. Dressed in dark jumpsuits, caps, and shades, they would walk straight in and shoot their targets. They'd drop their guns, and leave immediately afterwards. They would've never stopped by the bar to chat up the waitress and order something first- in full view of surveillance cameras, by the way -before killing their target. That isn't how they operate. Perhaps the only rule that each of the families still adhered to throughout this series was the oath of not involving wives and children. This is important to know because the guy in the Members Only jacket would've had time to shoot Tony before Carmella, AJ, and Meadow came inside to join him. It makes no sense for a hitman to wait for everyone to be seated first. None whatsoever. Lastly, the war was over by that point. It was settled. The suggestion that Brooklyn would've been sooooo enraged to avenge Phil's death because his wife and grandchild had to witness Phil getting killed is ridiculous. Brooklyn had already given Tony permission to hit Phil. I don't believe the manner in which Jersey chose to whack Phil would've ruffled so many feathers amongst Brooklyn's leadership that Phil's death now has to be avenged. That theory doesn't hold water. Brooklyn was just as ready to move on from Phil as Jersey was. They'd all talked about how Phil was dragging them down, losing sight of what his true priorities should've been as boss. It was no longer about making sure everyone in the Brooklyn crew was earning money, but all about Phil's greed and petty revenge where he made sure he still got his cut each week no matter what. I know this was a long one, but I hope you made it this far to see where I'm coming from here. I simply don't see a practical way for Tony to be killed at the restaurant at the end. It's not just extremely inconsistent and illogical within the fictional universe itself, it would also violate the laws of physics and rewrite the orders of time and space altogether for Brooklyn to be able to see the future so far in advance to be able to kill Tony at a restaurant that even he, Tony himself, didn't know he'd be eating at just an hour earlier!
The "hits" on this show never made sense. Particularly when Tony clipped that guy on a boating port next to a interstate bridge in broad daylight. But it's my head cannon that the vipers biker gang called the hit
Tony was killed. The screen going black is him instantly dying after being shot by the Members Only guy. That’s what happens when you die - no heaven, no hell....just black. Life, then no life. There are clues throughout the entire last season. Like David Chase said - it’s all there on the screen. I always felt it was poignant that Paulie was the only main character (beside Tony’s family) to survive. He survived because he was old school, strong, superstitious and street smart.
Paulie only survived because they felt he was unimportant and not in line to become boss. They whacked Tony cause he was the boss and Bobby and Sil cause they expected them to become the immediate boss after Tony.
I watched the entire show last week and i must say, the end didn't give me the idea he died there. I do understand it being possible with the guy coming back from the restroom and shooting him in the head and the screen going black because thats the end of Tony, but thats not what i got from it while watching. Pretty good end tho, anything could have happened and people can imagine whatever they want. You can make whatever story you want, but this is where the show ends.
If Tony did die in the last episode it was honestly probably the best for everyone in the family in the long run...despite being traumatic the way it went down in front of them. If Tony had went to prison after Carlo testified then the same thing would happen to the family financially that happened to Johnny Sack when he was arrested. If Tony was killed then Carmela would get the house and she and the kids would get the money he presumably had stashed away. They could carve out their own future and Tony wouldn't have to spend his life in prison. Tony was never really incarcerated long term before. I'm sure he wouldn't enjoy life in prison after living the comfy lifestyle he had been leading.
Tony 100000000% was killed in the final scene. With everything he had going on, Phil being whacked, the war with New York, there is ZERO chance Tony was gonna survive that, they were on his ass. His fate finally caught up to him
@@bobby.m136 he didn’t hide it in the bathroom.. just him going in and out is enough of a reference to that scene specially since it was mentioned to be Tony’s favorite scene
Remember in 6b episode 3 when Tony was saved from going into by his daughters voice saying “Don’t leave us daddy” isn’t it fitting she’s the last person he saw
The episode was called MADE IN AMERICA. Clue. The man with the baseball cap who walks in to the restaurant is played by Robert Patrick - who played the poor guy that lost his sports store due to his gambling way back in season 2 (or 3 maybe). On his cap it says "Made in America". Notice we are never shown his face properly. All the other atmospherics were a diversion. He shoots Tony. Honestly, there'd be no irony if it were just some random guy for a million reasons you could guess. So, all the theories in this video are valid but the clue was slapping everyone in the face. The title of the episode and the baseball cap. Go look if you don't believe me. This was revealed years ago. And honestly, if fits perfectly. Karma.
Tony knew he was coming for him when walking out of the bathroom. Tony kills him. Tony is sent to prison for decades via self defense murder + associates testifying against him. "The Sopranos" as we knew them are gone,blacked out,and will never be again.
Anyone else think that the reason screen goes black is cause Tony Jr. (viewer POV ) got shot instead of Tony Sr. ? Remember,Meadow enters and the bell rings which could have distracted the shooter therefore once again saving Tony Sr.
@@markdornan7247 I'm just saying what if Anthony Soprano Sr. lived but Anthony Jr. got shot instead? That way the debate on whether Tony lived or died can live on
Even if he wasn't whacked, he's probably going to prison because Carlo flipped on him. And even if he didn't go to prison, he's still gonna live the rest of his life in fear.
Could’ve meant it was the end of his life as a mobster because they attempted to whack him in the restaurant, failed, & led to Tony flipping on all of his former associates due to the betrayal. Who knows? Maybe his daughter Meadow walked in, saw the hitman coming out of the bathroom pulling out a gun, & maybe she had a gun & shot the hitman. 🤷♂️
Spooky thing is in the episode “Members Only” Tony was shot by his uncle in the same exact shirt that he had on in the restaurant. Even more spooky Eugene who wears a Members Only jacket shoot and kills a man in a restaurant. The dude who people think killed Tony had a Members Only jacket on in a restaurant same as Eugene.
Gothamlover 69 they did it to leave us guessing and ain’t want to end the show by our favorite bad guy getting killed in front his family me as a fan I would have wanted revenge and would have been mad if the show ended like that
I don’t believe Tony died, and never have thought that since it was aired back in 07. Although I believe David Chase has recently come out and confirmed Tony died, I think he said this to appease fans who have wanted a definitive answer from him since this aired. The whole scene is a view point to Tony’s daily life of living in paranoia as a mob boss. Where even going for a family dinner is fought with danger. We’ve seen Tony and his family sit down for meals at restaurants throughout the show, but they’ve always been at familiar places like Artie’s restaurant. This was a restaurant they had dined at before, but it was the first time we have seen this. The unfamiliar location adds to our tension too. Every one who walks through the door, walks past to the restroom is a potential threat to Tony. It’s second nature for him to suspect any stranger as a threat. The final scene is Meadow rushing through the door after being late. This sudden rush of the door opening startles Tony..and that’s where it obviously cuts out.
First time Ive seen anyone feel the same way I do about the ending. I dont think he got wacked. Its exactly as you said, the paranoia and all. The final scene could almost have been designed with the intent to make us feel like Tony feels throughout everyday life. Then it fades to black because the story is over. Viewers can either interpret it as he dies or he continues to live. Maybe he goes to prison, maybe he doesnt. Thing is, everything has to end eventually.
@@THEBIRDMAN9412 Yes, totally agree. I also think David Chase added a number of scenes throughout season 6 that kept us guessing as to their meaning. Another example will be when Silvio strangled Burt Gervasi for wanting to switch sides to New York during the war. As he’s lying dead on his floor, there is a close up of his white slip on shoes. There similar to the ones that Paulie also wears. The meaning of this was to suggest that Paulie could also betray Tony and the jersey leadership and switch sides. Which given his actions in season 4 trying to get close to Carmine through Johnny Sack was a real possibility. But this obviously never transpired. But anyway I’ve always liked the ending and as you mentioned it’s just to emphasise everything comes to an end..for us as viewers anyway. Realistically I imagine Tony would have lost his trial and gone to prison.
The most tragic part about the scene is that Meadow probably witnessed not just her father get killed but brother and mother too. I really don't think the hitman would have stopped at Tony sadly. But yeah Tony definitely died. Probably two shots to the face and or chest. AJ and his mother next to him in shock. AJ gets shot next followed by Carmela. These ones are quicker and not necessary kill shots but at such close range you can imagine. As for Meadow. She either lived because she hid or escaped or simply because the hitman had no idea she was part of the family.
@@jimmy7434 Well the series history of hits in the show. 90% of the time innocent bystanders or body guards were killed just because. On top of this AJ would have been the most likely person to attack said hitman after his fathers death. So to avoid this AJ was most definitely killed. Also being Tonys main successor. Can't get revenge if the main crew is dead and at this point it basically is. Another huge hint is the fact that each member of family who is sitting at the table eats an onion ring. Almost like a last supper kind of thing. All but Meadow because she wasn't at the table. Tony even comments "Oh I ordered something for the table." Meaning the food but the key word is ordered. How many hits has Tony ordered in the past? Meaning the possible order was "Take out everyone at the table." Which i'm sure the initial surprise was even the family because Tony mentions they're not supposed to touch family. Yet I think the fact that he said that earlier in the episode signifies they did. On top of all that. By also killing AJ and Carmela takes out the possibility of anyone identifying the set up girl. Who was the only other person at the house who over heard they were going to be at the diner? Rhiannon. She was in on it. They took advantage of AJ's weakness to get close to the family.
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In 2021 Chase did come out amd say he was killed by the members only guy
Many Saints was the worst fucking thing I’ve ever seen. An affront to the memory of Gandolfini.
The son has a physical resemblance and that all. He sucks as an actor.
Chris came back to life as Cleaver and took revenge
Did you come up with this comment?
He reached his Arc.
"Sun T Zu" inspired him.
You never had the makings of a varsity joke teller.
@@6thfloor33 lol
He was the cat
Bobby 'Bacala' Baccalieri: I mean, our line of work, it's always out there. You probably don't even hear it when it happens, right?
Bobby certainly heard it and saw it. Tony definitely heard the shot when his uncle shot him.
@@jsilva4847 Tony heard the shot when Corrado shot him because it wasn't a kill shot. Bobby heard it because he didn't get shot in the head. My theory is that Tony got shot in the head, thats why he didn't hear anything.
Yes Chase highlighted this scene in the final episode. I think it’s pretty obvious Tony got killed. Everything went black.
Well he probably got shot in the head and died instantly
Tony died of a heart attack. They kept saying throughout the show that Tony was going to die of a heart attack by the time he was 50.
Tony died. Every time the door bell rings the camera switches to Tony's point of view, seeing the world through his eyes. At the final ring, the audience saw the first twenty seconds of Tony being dead... He never heard or saw a thing.
I'm also fairly certain it was the "Member's Only guy" who shot him and I'm pretty sure Meadow was about to break the news to her family that she was pregnant.
It also goes in line with when Tony and Bobby Bacala are out on the boat and they talk about being hit, Bobby says something like "You don't even know it when it happens". Along those lines.
@@hockyjocky4 exactly! That’s one major reason I’m convinced too. David was so specific about any tiny detail like that.... he’d never put it in if it didn’t mean something.
Or, nothing happened. And Tony remains paranoid for the rest of his life.
Don’t forget the orange cat in the back wall of the restaurant and the death house from his dream in mayhem on the wall as members only guy walks to the restroom.
No he didn't die. He could have. That's literally the whole POINT of the ending. The final episode (again) brings up the idea from Tony that big mobsters end up either dead or in prison. So the last episode brings up a possibility of Tony going to jail (Carlo testifying) and Tony being shot (the last scene in the diner). But the last episode, after all this time, also brings up another possibility. When Tony finally talks to Junior again after all that time, he realizes that there are worse fates than death or jail. The whole point of the Sopranos ending is to create a "Schrödinger's cat" situation, where Tony isn't dead or alive. We simply don't know. If David Chase wanted Tony to die, he would've made that the ending (it was originally his plan to just have Tony die on screen). The last scene isn't about whether Tony lived or died. It's about what's really important in life, the little moments. Do they have to spell it out for you people? I mean come on. These themes are present in all 6 seasons of the show. And here people are arguing about Tony died or not. IT'S NOT RELEVANT. Sopranos was always much larger than that. Way more philosophical.
"You probably don't even hear it when it happens right"
This line by Bobby is just meant to set up the possibility of Tony dying in the finale. It doesn't mean that he 100% died and there's no question about it. Also, did no one get the hint from Bobby's death scene? The fact that Bobby not only heard the shots and looked right into the eyes of his murderer, but then is also conscious to feel multiple bullets hit him before he dies. Takes almost a whole damn magazine to take him out. "You probably don't even hear it" yeah, right. If you're really lucky, maybe.
He finally realized that he didn’t have the makings of a varsity athlete,
The mural on the wall of the restaurant has Bloomfield high school varsity football players on it. Tony has to relive his death over and over
How fucking original.
I think the point is that the Sopranos was so huge that the fade to black was more for us. We as watchers always want more but eventually it will always come to a close. When he said he wanted to rip it away it was from us not tony. Thats why he never wants to be clear about if he dies or not because thats not the point. The point is the end will come, whether your ready or not.
That's a great point. I still believe he died though
Until we see him with our own eyes he is neither alive nor dead…
Thats a cut* to black. It's abrupt. A fade to black is where it gently eases into the darkness.
true. it's interesting that over time people have almost taken the opposite view, wishing that GoT had ended earlier etc. whereas back then they wanted so much more that this ending was meant for them, and pissed them off accordingly.
It is supposed to be let to interpretation, but there are many clues that show he actually was killed.
There were 3 or 4 scenes in the last episode where 3 things happened in sequence. A bell rings. You see Tony. You then see what Tony sees. I don't remember them all but one was the bell on a small boat. And in the end, the bell over the door rings. You see Tony. Then you see nothing. Because Tony doesn't see anything anymore.
Chris says 300 to tony after he comes out his coma
Also the bell on the door ringing at the end reminds me of John Donne's line "Ask not for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee" -- which could represent TS's impending death and funeral as well.
Maybe, maybe not. It's filmed the way it is to create the possibility of his death. Not to confirm it.
Yeah Tony had his last panic attack.
AJ "i'll try and remember the good times"
Tony : "what?"
AJ : "isnt that what you said?"
he did in the ending of season 1
That shit was sad. Maybe there is hope for AJ. Also I love your pfp
The Sopranos actually had more depth and layers of meaning then I realized. Even Tony dream about Big Pussy betraying him was giving hints that there were others who were going to betray him.
It will be fun to watch the series again in 10 years and take note of all the little things I missed before.
He did. I originally hated the ending but I appreciated it as time went on. And yes, I watched the episode on my old, small TV and I smacked the shit out of it when the screen went black.
Hated the ending too, until I realised how brilliant it is.
I also thought my tv crapped out.
LMAO
Well said. Also at the time I thought the entire family was murdered. Until I saw it after the DVD release.
So the TV needed a adjustment
I hated the way it ended when I was younger. But now I consider it great almost artsy! Great way to close out a great show.
If you can't make everyone happy with the ending (and any ending would have been a disappointment to many) , at least make them think about it and discuss it for years on end. That way they all have their own ending in mind.
@@JoeBlow-fp5ng Brilliantly put 💯
At first I was baffled. Now it chills me. That black silence was the ultimate Noir ending to a Noir series. It seems almost gentle, but it's an absolute violation.
@nathanielhellerstein5871 Yup, made me do a loud, eggy fart the first time I saw it.
It must be a great ending if we are still talking about it 14 years later, I imagine that is all they wanted
You're only talking about a 14 years later because it was a subject of this video. 🙄🤦♂️
@@wadewilson8011 people have interest and constantly rewatch the ending, Chrissy said hell is like watching your own death over and over,also when he walks in the dinner he sees himself at the table.
@@wadewilson8011 Well why do you think people are still making videos about it?
@@thetechlibrarian interesting mind sharing more of this theory it’s sounds incredibly plausible with only this one example i would love to see if there’s more too it
@@wadewilson8011 Sharp as a cue-ball
3 a clock, "never hear it coming" mentioned and shown over and over, first image on last episode = Tony in a coffin as in a wake, weird atmosphere at the last sit down with NY where agreed to hit Phil (wacked in front of his family and he also never hear it coming), the last scene with the POV and many more hints that point out he's done. People are still in denial. Chase will never admit this and you cannot take all that he has said at face value. The fact that Chase admitted that he first thought about screen goes to black and Tony wacked by NY will be the close admission from him. But many people still are in the phase of denial.
He definitely got whacked. But by whom?!?!🤔
He did admit it. The article just came out a few months ago. He referred to that scene as a “death scene.” So it’s official now that Tony was killed
@@belak1551 Nonsense. It was 'originally' planned to be a death scene, but then he said he changed his mind. That's why he referred to it as "that" death scene.
@@belak1551 that death scene was suposoed 2 happen 2 years sonner by jhonny sack,it was expl in video
@@Jalapablo he’s called it a “death scene” accidentally multiple times.
Fun fact This is a call back to almost every murder in the series.
Because NORMALLY when a mob guy dies in the series their family is told "no one knows what happened" and it's a pain Tony has inflicted upon so many of his friends and family
The silence says so much.
What happened to Adriana? She ran off with another guy. She's happy
How about Ralph? Don't know
Tony's dog? He went to go live on a farm
The ambiguity you feel is a hint that he got killed
This is gone be a very public hit with dozens of witnesses
It's really nothing to over analyze about this. Yall know what happened. Tony got wacked while having his last supper with his family. He knew his days were numbered and was tired of living his life in fear and paranoia. This is why he had his last talk with Paulie about taking over the crew. Tony gets to take one final look at his daughter as she walks in and boom !!! They left it black because out of respect for his legacy they didn't want to show his brains getting splattered all over the table. End of story. Either way it was a brilliant ending.
Boom!!!! Darkness came & Tony was dead!!!
if it was simply out of respect then the director would clearly state that Tony died.
I respectfully disagree with you on that, it's ambiguous as to Tony's fate. It's heavily implied that he got clipped. We the audience are left to our own conclusions due to the fade to black screen. We saw a lot of bodies throughout the six seasons and we never saw Tony drop. David Chase has been vague about his true ending. Either way, it's one of, if not the best show ever.
@@calfaro530 chase slipped once and called it the death scene
@@pinehawk9600 He was referring to another take that was was shot that wasn't used where Tony got whacked. Chase was notorious for filming multiple endings or death scenes.
Notice it's the 86th song on the jukebox, he got 86'd
The finale was the 86th episode of the show.
@@stevenstuart152 apparently all that is coincidence, which i don't buy
@@starwarsroo2448 nmnhnn yeeaaahhhh, "coincidence"..... RrrrrriiiiIiiiIiiIiiiIIIighttttttt
'86 was an incredible year!
The song was k4 not 86
What made me the saddest is the reaction of his family to see their worst nightmare come to life 😔
Yep. AJ was happy for a moment
Not me. Tony was the absolute worst and most of the familys tragedies where linked to him in some sense
Him dying was really the best thing for medow, aj and carmella
@@TotalTech2. shut up
@@TotalTech2. hahah what. Father getting brains blown out in front of you is better for them? Hell why don’t the feds think of that more often when relocating families!
Similar to Phil's wife, watching her husband die violently.
I always go back to the scene in which Patsy warns Gloria to stay away from Tony and his family. He tells her that if she doesn't, the last face she sees on this earth will be his, not Tony's. "It won't be cinematic," he says. That may be what Chase had in mind when he has Tony look up and see Meadow just before the end; of the series, if not the end of his life. In the final scene, we learn the truth. Death is not cinematic. It's just a cut to black.
Deep quote and could be true, death isn't cinematic but just a cut to black
What really made me sad and gave me chills is realizing that Junior outlived so many people and probably doesn’t even remember them….being all alone and probably doesn’t realize it.
The fact that Junior's actor has actually outlived many much younger cast members in real life is a very uncanny parallel.
@@HOTD108_ True!
13 years later and I still search for videos about that final scene. And I'm just one of millions that do the same thing. How many of you were pulling for Tony to not die at the end? He's charismatic, for sure. But why root for him (based on his actions)?
Interesting contradiction isn’t it?
I like to call it the Protagonist Sydrome. You root with whatever the protagonist does, solely because you see the story from their perspective. I wouldnt cook meth, but i rooted for walt because he was the one the story focused on. Now if BB was done from the POV of a cop, I would root for the cop.
That’s what made him such a great character
Seen a video somewhere, Tony was the first network star to commit cold blooded murder. The executives were outside themselves not to air the "college" episode. David Chase stuck to his guns (pardon the pun) and aired it anyways.
The new movie coming out has me watching the series again. I’m on season 2 episode 8.
I’m also watching every video about the last episode.
I saw a great one earlier today, where that girl Ant Jr met in that psych ward, Rhiannon. And her pic was in Butch’s hair salon , so there’s that connection there. That whole scene similarities between That Scene in Godfather where Michael kills the cop and other monster. Both killers went to the bathroom, etc
Either way, it’s my fav show!!
I should also add that the diner itself is symbolic. It is no longer Vesuvio where one night they found shelter from the storm. It's more of a Twilight Zone situation...
People that don’t like the ending did not get he clues. His daughter being late was a clue cause she would have blocked the view of the shooter. Every time the bell rings We see Tony face and what he sees 1st 2 was random people the 3rd was wife the 4th person they showed was his killer who was in front of his son so why would they show dude first over his son? It’s cause he’s more important in that scene.He sits down kinda nervous knowing he’s Rey kill a man and front his family. He goes to bathroom so he cAn be on Tony’s blind side (3oclock) position the 5th time the bell rings is when his daughter comes in and he see darkness cause that’s when he gets killed. Clue his son who was there said his father favorite scene in from The Godfather when dude comes out the bathroom to kill and that’s exactly how he died. We ain’t have to see it to know it. When Tony came out his coma it was bright white his daughter was the first face he saw and when he dies his daughter was the last face before the blackness.
Best explanation and theory! 👏🏽👏🏽
Your opinion is wrong lol
also the the hitman was also one of Hesh's drivers or hitmen. he was shown in season 4 driving a red convertable...at that pig place/sandwich shop.
@@mattholt9065 episode name?
@@50rads what's the correct answer then debby downer...
It is sooooo obvious that Tony gets shot in the final scene. They kept showing the obvious “mob looking” guy in the members only jacket. The last time being when he goes to the bathroom and the men’s room door has a clear, unobstructed line directly to where Tony was sitting. Maybe he was Eugene’s brother and he wanted payback for Eugene committing suicide cause Tony didn’t okay the relocation to Florida. In the scene where Eugene hangs himself, he is not wearing his members only jacket. Maybe he took Eugene’s jacket and wore it when he shot Tony as a ironic eff you to Tony and thus getting payback for his brother. And lastly, the best scene in Godfather when Michael Corleone gets the gun from the bathroom and comes out and shoots the guy responsible for shooting his father. Almost identical and that scene in The Godfather is coincidentally Tony’s favorite scene in the film
Fully agreed. Tony died in that restaurant. 'Tell Tony three 'o clock....' et al hints are all there. Chase probably spared the audience by not showing the very next scene, which would not be pretty..... for the fam & all.
When a show ends and that character is no longer played it is very much like a death. Or it is not a death, and Tony is immortal through rewatching the series. We don't really need to know the exact nature of the character's fate in much the same way that Seinfeld ends. It is what it is.
I tell myself that Tony is alright . He isn't dead . His life just goes on and on. I feel comfortable withthis
Exactly!
The feeling is Mutual...,
That's exactly why the jukebox song list was shown in detail. It's "Any Way You Want It -- Don't Stop Believing". People who push their own objective "proof" as to what happened to Tony miss the whole point of the ending.
What...you must got a shine box for a brain
life goes on...in jail
he either was gonna die or incarcerated because of the rico case
He’s dead
Come on. That whole season was sprinkled with little clues, especially the finale. It's true, you can literally come up with your own conclusion because you never actually see it (and that's a clue in of itself that was foreshadowed). But I have little doubt David intentionally framed it to be his death scene. Tony forgot about "3 o'clock", because he forgot to watch his or he might of noticed members only coming out of the restroom, positioned to his right.
I agree, chase also said itself that the final scene is Tony’s death scene
@@johnlunz8710 Originally, yes. But then he said he changed his mind. Now it will forever be "Anyway You Want It". You think he died? Then you're right -- for you.
Paul West I personally think that Chase was trying to save face at that point, considering his reaction when he realized he said it was a death scene, I think chase always thought that tony would die at the end but it is possible to see it differently too.
I wonder if tony killed Christofer at 3am
My only confusion is when he looked up in the final shot, he would be facing the door. Members only would be coming from the bathroom, I don’t think tony would orient his body that was to face him. Tony does look afraid though.
You missed a MAJOR quote from Chase:
When James Gandolfini died Chase was quoted as saying, "Since James is gone, then I guess Tony is dead."
I just watched an interview with David Chase he said Tony did not die!!!
@@vinniemutschler4735 link?
@@vinniemutschler4735 Link to interview?
@@vinniemutschler4735 link
It was Chases' creation, a figment of his imagination. He loved it and didn't want it to end, so he didn't. Cut to black.
Yes...in a previous episode, when fishing on the lake with Tony, Bobby talked about the last thing a victim hears is a bell / ring. Hence, the door chime when Tony's daughter enters the restaurant.
I thought Bobby says “You probably don’t hear it when it happens”
Tony replied “ask your friend in there on the wall”
I really enjoyed the final episode of The Sopranos.
I can’t believe some people hated it or couldn’t work out what happened.
The way I saw it, the shifty Members Only jacket guy whacked Tony when he exited he bathroom
I think most people agree. But the main question is by who? He made peace with NY. To the point that they gave up Leotardo. My best guess is that Carmine was behind it, or the Russians orchestrated the whole thing. What are your thoughts?... I enjoy different theories.
Christopher Conicella I would guess Patsy because of the beef with his son selling drugs
@@christopherconicella4285 I think it was Butchie...he saw an opportunity for a power play and got Tony to let his guard down by giving him the ok to deal with Phil.
@@camilocienfuegos2866 But Butchie was never viewed as the main guy and was down on the pecking order. Also it was shown that he was loyal until he gave up Phil.
donny bravo yeah I think Patsy probably paid MOG to whack Tony because the beef with his son caught selling drugs
It wasn't the fade to black that got me. It was the silence. Pretty clear on my first viewing what happened.
Exactly! It didn't immediately roll to credits... There's was like, 10 seconds. Chase has already gone on record, saying its all there
Yea he's alive
It wasn't a "fade" to black. It was a "cut" to black.
There are so many callbacks and hints, all the way back to AJ saying Tony’s favorite scene of The Godfather was Micheal going to the bathroom and coming out shooting, just like the guy did in the bathroom and with Christopher saying “3 o’clock”
Patsy set Tony up, so many clues, his twin brother getting whacked, his son would have known where Tony was as he was dating Meadow, and the scene of Patsy and his wife in Tony’s house both admiring it the same way Janice did with Johnny Sack’s before taking it.
also phil got murked infront of his family, so retaliation would be in the same fashion i assume.
AJs girlfriend tipped off NY where Tony would be
Rhiannon was the one who got inside the Sopranos family.
This guy on TH-cam explains it and his conclusion is brilliant.
Tony was liquidated like Phil in front of his family.
Remember the "3 o'clock warning" after Christopher's clinical death? It wasn't about time... it was about direction. Tony's shooter- the 'members only' jacket guy, was on Tony's 3 o'clock when he exited the restroom and shot him...
Your dead pan joke delivery makes what are easily the smartest, most well thought out Sopranos videos on YT even better. The Noah joke had me laughing my ass off.
If people are still confused about this over a decade later they just don’t understand foreshadowing and aren’t good at thinking.
Tony just simply passed out as he has been doing the entire series
Nope, he never just blacked out when he passed out all those times. He got shot 3 O'clock, he's dead.
@@adrianramirez8882 creator and cast says the ending is just a simple ending. Fans are making up some eccentric ending to compensate for that.
@@xCestLaVie1 I mean its definitly not a simple ending its an ending that doesn't tell us how the story actually ends
I just read a detailed take on another video that agrees with what you said, and when the facts are all laid out, it's equally believable that he had a panic attack, as it is that he was shot.
@@BeeHatGuy can you tell where I'd really like to read and believe that
I think Eugenes wife had Tony killed by a friend at the members only club he presumably frequented.
Until I saw the ending I had hopes of it actually being ambiguous but when I actually saw it I got depressed for a couple of days because having watched the whole show and how the writers tell the story, I had no doubt in my mind that Tony got killed whether they showed it or not
Not only did he die but this is his hell. It's like Christopher told him he has to relive his final moments forever. Tony will forever walk into that diner, sit down with his family, fiddle around with the juke box, look around with a heavy sense of paranoia and then got shot. Then it all restarts he walks into that diner, sits down with his family...
That's some eerie shit 😆
I think that David Chase purposely did things in a way so that the audience could come to the conclusion that Tony was murdered in the finale scene, but left things open-ended enough so that if he wanted to bring back The Sopranos one day with James Gandolfini as Tony, he could do so without having to ret-con anything that happened in the series. I think that's why Chase always gave either non-definitive or conflicting statements about the ending and that before Gandolfini passed away, here was a definite possibility of some kind of reboot, so they didnt want to definitely kill off Tony at the end, but still put in enough clues and foreshadowing so that the viewer could say "For sure this is what happened at the end."
We see Members Only go back to the bathroom, a reference to the scene in The Godfather that we know is Tony's favorite. A.J. tries to act based on that information when he goes to stab Junior for shooting his father, and he fails miserably. When Tony comes to confront him, he says, "A.J., it's just a movie. You gotta grow up." It's about the most emotional scene between Tony and his son. So, connecting those two moments - The Sopranos is just a TV show. Tony isn't killed. Tony isn't alive. Tony never was alive nor is anyone else on the show. David Chase spent the better part of a decade bringing these fictional characters to life, while the viewing public reacted to them in ways that were truly horrifying to him. No matter how depraved and despicable he wrote them, people would still wallow in the filth and ask for more brutality.
I think A.J. is a stand in for America and for the show's audience. Selfish, stupid, vain, suckling on the teat of crimes large and small for his petty luxuries, aimless and self-centered. I interpret the ending as Chase's way of saying, life will end; you are mortal; all these trappings that we sin so mightily for are going to vanish in an instant. You gotta grow up, people.
While I know people lean toward the "he died" answer. I prefer just not knowing. The whole point of the ending is that we'll never see what happens to Tony because he himself won't see it coming
Noah punched his lights out!? 😂
David Chase is a brilliant director and writer and I believe The Sopranos had a fitting ending to a glorious show
Lol Noah
Chase is a complete and total prick though, for how he treats Soprano fans. A brilliant creator, but a smug douchebag of the highest order.
What's more important is what happened to Victor (the interior decorator) in Pine Barrens.
His house looked like shit 💩
I read through some comments that there was a scene in last seasons where Tony & Christopher stumble through a cafe a see him work there. They were debating whether to kill him or not but them discovered the Russian guy has gone little slow and dumb after that shot to the head so Tony & Christopher just left him. Scene was later deleted from the final cut.
I never understood why Chase thought it was so stupid that fans would expect some resolution to that storyline. It's not like Valery was just some random guy, he was closely connected to the head of the Russian mob in NJ!
@@camilocienfuegos2866 If i recall correctly chase cut it out because some russian fans were sending in death threats.
Valerie was the guys name. 🤦🏾♂️
Did people really want the series to end either with Tony's murder or end on a happy note with the family eating onion rings together or Tony going to prison? No matter what the ending was, seems the majority of people would have hated it. Might as well end it with a controversial abrupt nothingness that fans will still talk about for 30+ years after it aired. Brilliant, when you think about it. Let fans continue to speculate.
I don’t know about this it’s been bugging me all day. Just finished the series today. I don’t think tony is stupid enough to get clipped like that. He was even onto the guy who was watching him.
"It won't be cinematic" - Patsy Parisi
every explanation except the simplest one--that he died--sounds pretentious, and makes hash out of every detail that you pick up on when watching the last season for the thousandth time. I must have watched this shit twice a year for the past ten years, and each time the logic of the last three episodes shapes up to an unavoidable conclusion: that NY colluded with dissatisfied elements in Jersey to have Tony whacked. The only thing that obscures this is that we are drawn more and more into Tony's own blinkered POV as the season grows
I think the bartender from The Bing killed Tony.
The cut to black could’ve even been a hint that his current life as he knew it was over, & realizing his family means to much to him, he flips on his associates & has to go into witness protection program.
Tony got wacked. The whole set of the scene guides us to this conclusion : we're not following Tony or the family dinner but a more global scene, following a different dynamic, where we can feel drama is coming, and where focus is put on all of the protagonists of the scene, as if all of them are about to experience something, and be part of what will turn out to be a crime scene. Meadow makes it just in time to witness it, no more sound or image for Tony
Chase is so butthurt that his ending didn't land the way he intended.
The look of fear and concern on Camellas face hinting something sinister was going down , also played a part albeit a small one
"Well, apart from that Mrs Soprano, did you enjoy your meal?"
Tony was not whacked, WE were. I don’t know how people still get this wrong, even after David Chase specifically said that Tony wasn’t whacked. The last shot isn’t from Tony’s perspective. It is from OUR perspective. We are looking at Tony, and he is looking up at the door. Bobby said at the beginning of the season, “I bet you don’t even hear the shot, when it happens.” He’s correct. The person who was whacked (the audience) never heard a thing.
We know this, because the show creators fought like hell for there to be no end credits (since if the audience is killed, they’d never see them). They lost that battle because of SAG regulations, so the best they could do was have a significant delay in the form of a black screen before the credits.
The last killing was David Chase’s hit on the viewers. The Member’s Only guy whacked US. It was perfect
The shot after the door bell rings was always from Tony’s POV throughout the scene
Recently David Chase accidentally admitted and called it a "death scene". Tony was killed
It WAS a death scene; it was OUR death scene. Tony did not die.
@@christopherknox LOL. Of course he did. They went out of their way to make sure of that
@@christopherknox That makes no sense at all. Cause we all know we didn't die. We're here posting. Chase slipped up and called it a "death scene" and when confronted with it he froze and responded "fuck you" to the interviewer because he was caught. His first response wasn't to say it was misinterpreted... his first response was frozen shock to the point of telling the interviewer "fuck you" for getting that out of me. All he did was confirm what we all knew, Tony was killed when it went to black. That was his POV, not ours.
I hated the ending initially, but now I think producer David Chase was a freakin genius. Chase really hammered home the message that as a mafia/gang member, the price you pay for a life of money, power, and violence is always having to look over your shoulder. For 6 seasons, Tony enjoyed a life of luxury, power, intimidation, and brutal violence. But that lifestyle is not without a price. You either end up in jail (see Johnny Sack) or you have to be ever vigilant in public that you might get clipped. Here, all it took was one moment of complacency with Tony enjoying a nice dinner with his family; he overlooked a very average looking guy in a Members Only jacket for just a moment, and it all came crashing to an end.
I agree but also it could have meant that he was just paranoid at that point and we the audience felt that. Which was awesome. Like you said he's always looking behind his shoulder. I think the cut scene was tony purgatory or his personal hell. He will never ever be comfortable in life. Always wondering will it happen today?tomorrow? So no matter the amount of sex,money,food, or whatever his life sucks.
I just finished the show at 2:45 am and the only peace and closure I got was when Phil got whacked💯
I'm not gonna lie I felt like I died. Just total black
To those saying Tony deserved to live/die:
"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends"
-Gandalf
Haha, cool ;)
"Don't stop believing, hold on to that feeling..."
Ya, the clue is right there. Everyone missed it but me. Tony lives. The song lyrics literally tells us what to do. We should not stop believing.
But, then again, Tony dies. Remember that scene at the Japanese sushi place Tony and Carmela goes to? Nori Sushi, the scene where he eats alone.
Mafia terminology for 'greed'. He pops pieces of fish in his mouth. Mafia symbolism for burial place. As in "he sleeps with the fishes". MINCHIA!!
Tony, eats alone, dining on sushi, (not baccala), reaches for his chest, symbolism for "greedy portly general who lost his balls".
BTW...minchia, the Sicilian slang term for "poos-y".
I just got finished watching the series for the first time, and I think I love the ending. The way I see it, the suggestion is that the life he chose will always have one more threat around the corner, despite how vigilant he is. At least four possible assassins come into the diner, with none of them taking the obvious shot. Any one of them might do it, or none of them. And even as he is surrounded by family and everything he claims to want, and so many threats around all of them, he won't stop until it cuts to black.
I don't think he died on that night (if for no other reason than a hit wouldn't make logical sense- who would have known to catch him in that diner?) but his lifestyle will get him there and he kind of knows that.
Every single thing David Chase did, was very intentional, including NOT showing him die. I think Chase was essentially leaving it totally up to the viewer to decide what they wanted to believe. For those that think he was assassinated, Chase left about 10 billion obvious clues that could make you certain that he died. For those that think he just had dinner and then life went on for the Sopranos, Chase left you that option as well since we don't see Tony die. All this time, we've been fooled into thinking it HAS to be one or the other. But it's almost obvious that it's the exact opposite. Instead, it's both or neither or whatever you take away from it individually.
My take was that while the current threat with Phill was resolved, Tony's life would always be in peril given his status as a Mob boss.
Plot twist: the camera ran out of battery and Chase had an idea
Last comment I'll make on any video or article of the Sopranos but I always thought different theories that he was probably killed but MAYBE he wasn't killed (even at times hoping he wasn't killed even though it was a tv show). Of late I've come to the conclusion that he was killed and Paulie and Patsy were in on it. Makes sense as close as Meadow had become to Jason and as close as Patsy was to his son Jason that she told Jason she was going out to that diner at night with her family and Jason unknowingly told his dad in conversation that Meadow was going out with her family or Carmela in conversation told Patsy's wife that they were going out to dinner and where etc... and he gave the info up. I can't help but notice now looking at Paulie that that LAST LOOK he gave Tony was a look of "sorry it had to come to this". That peace meeting or as we thought who was there? Butchie Little Carmine and Paulie, all three of them had control at that point about what moves were going to be made or cancelled regarding the NY NJ war. Notice EVERYTIME in the past when people in Tony's crew decided not to turn on him what stopped them? It was NEVER about Tony being too good a guy or too effective a leader or any supportive friend like loyalty to him, it was ALWAYS about the fact that it would be too problematic at the time to take him out. At this point with a major RICO case against him imminent, his crew severely weakened between the NY NJ mob war fallout and tension regarding his RICO case coming up, it was frankly arguable that the BEST thing they could do was to take him out and start a new arrangement between NJ and NY. The last season in 2007 was basically about everything tumbling down regarding Tony and his crew and the NY crew and the beginning of life as new adults between AJ and Meadow (even with the tumultuous turns AJ went through in the final season). Probably because of his iconic status, the criminal humor and charismatic nuance when I saw the show back then I liked Tony Soprano as a character but I now realize that his ending was the only ending fitting for someone who was like him. Nonetheless it was one of the best shows ever.
That's a really good comment. I like how you bring in little Carmine. The entire series Carmine's dialog is off, softly focusing on on clear insight till his final walk with Tony to Phil's house. The sit down where he mentions Rusty, the talk about happiness at the golf club. With Patsy, Butchy, and Paulie the dynamics are just as conflicting. Either way, whatever a viewer sees, it's very rare a ending can bring so many dynamics together and still be so ambiguous. The show itself is quite misleading because it paints itself as a gangster film on the surface, however, it's core is a primal psychological battle with ethics and morals to survive. Viewers night not relate to being an actual gangster, but they can definitely relate to the trails of survival in America.
That is the strangest pronunciation of "Seinfeld" I've ever heard.
Chase even slipped and called it "the death scene." He died. Patsy and/or Paulie set him up with the short guy. That's why the "truce" was so easy.
AJs girlfriend tipped off NY where tony would be eating
@kane H paulie killed Tony?
@kane H how did he set him up
The last scene is clearly a dream, because that's the only time we ever see Tony's POV, is when he's dreaming. At one point, he even seems to be looking at himself. The loud music is from his clock radio.
Tony is 100 percent aware of the dangers of eating out, and he knows the gun in the toilet trick from the Godfather. His dreams foreshadow and warn him of danger.
Maybe he gets assassinated exactly how the dream shows, maybe he is killed in his sleep by Anthony's friend, maybe he has a stroke in his sleep. We'll never know.
You are clearly very slow and rode a short bus
My thought is when Tony looked up at the door seeing Meadow come in, that could be about the time the members only guy came out of the bathroom from Tonys right side and shot him in the head. Just a thought.
Reason for the controversial Sopranos ending goes back to the 1960's hit show The Fugitive. It had a definitive ending and when it was sold into syndication, it bombed in the ratings. Everyone knew how it ended. HBO sold The Sopranos into syndication to another cable company for 2.5 million an episode for a total of 200 million dollars. It was a record for syndication sales. I thought Chase had
to guarantee to HBO syndication ratings. Therefore no definitive ending. Tony lives forever. Very few successful TV series have definitive endings. The networks have learned - It hurts syndication sales. Its not good for business.
Got a blue moon in his eye...
“Rhiannon rings like a bell through the night…”
I still want someone to explain to me the practical nuts-and-bolts of how Tony would've been killed instead of more of the same 'ol symbolic, potentially teased and foreshadowed clues that the writers sprinkled in all throughout Season 6 that everyone cites, yet may not not mean anything at all. I still want to know, "How the hell could the Brooklyn crew have actually pulled it off if they did kill Tony?!" It simply doesn't add up.
The one thing everyone always overlooks is why the Sopranos were even at the restaurant in the first place. It wasn't planned. The original plan was for a family dinner at home where Carmella would cook Manicotti, but *she had to cancel at the last minute* when she received an unexpected call about something at one of her real estate homes that demanded her immediate attention. How the hell would Brooklyn have even had the time to know where Tony would be eating that night- so far in advance that they had time to plant a gun in the restroom for the Members Only guy to use later when Tony arrives? It's impossible!
Tony was the most meticulous wiseguy of them all. He always knew when he was being followed, and he was thorough in checking his phones for bugs. He especially would've been careful now that Carlo flipped. The possibility that he would suddenly become careless now in the last hour of his life is infintesimal. Compounding this is the fact of where Tony had just came from before he arrived at Holston's restaurant.
He was visiting Junior in the nursing home. That was his last stop. Everyone knew Tony loathed Junior after the shooting, so the idea that Brooklyn had guys stationed at the nursing home in case he drops by to visit his senile uncle for the first time in years would've been an idea off the table entirely. They don't have the time and resources to have guys sitting at a nursing home just in case. If mob hitmen really were staking out the institution and followed Tony to Holston's from the nursing home, it removes the possibility of planting a gun in the restaurant in advance since they're the ones following him. Furthermore, if you're actually with Brooklyn and shooting Tony is your assignment, why wait until he gets inside the restaurant first? It'd be far easier to just pull up beside him at a red light and unload into Tony, and then just drive off without anyone seeing who shot him.
Which leads us now to the most overlooked characteristic of all. For 6+ years we'd seen how mob hitmen operated. Dressed in dark jumpsuits, caps, and shades, they would walk straight in and shoot their targets. They'd drop their guns, and leave immediately afterwards. They would've never stopped by the bar to chat up the waitress and order something first- in full view of surveillance cameras, by the way -before killing their target. That isn't how they operate.
Perhaps the only rule that each of the families still adhered to throughout this series was the oath of not involving wives and children. This is important to know because the guy in the Members Only jacket would've had time to shoot Tony before Carmella, AJ, and Meadow came inside to join him. It makes no sense for a hitman to wait for everyone to be seated first. None whatsoever.
Lastly, the war was over by that point. It was settled. The suggestion that Brooklyn would've been sooooo enraged to avenge Phil's death because his wife and grandchild had to witness Phil getting killed is ridiculous. Brooklyn had already given Tony permission to hit Phil. I don't believe the manner in which Jersey chose to whack Phil would've ruffled so many feathers amongst Brooklyn's leadership that Phil's death now has to be avenged. That theory doesn't hold water. Brooklyn was just as ready to move on from Phil as Jersey was. They'd all talked about how Phil was dragging them down, losing sight of what his true priorities should've been as boss. It was no longer about making sure everyone in the Brooklyn crew was earning money, but all about Phil's greed and petty revenge where he made sure he still got his cut each week no matter what.
I know this was a long one, but I hope you made it this far to see where I'm coming from here. I simply don't see a practical way for Tony to be killed at the restaurant at the end. It's not just extremely inconsistent and illogical within the fictional universe itself, it would also violate the laws of physics and rewrite the orders of time and space altogether for Brooklyn to be able to see the future so far in advance to be able to kill Tony at a restaurant that even he, Tony himself, didn't know he'd be eating at just an hour earlier!
The "hits" on this show never made sense. Particularly when Tony clipped that guy on a boating port next to a interstate bridge in broad daylight. But it's my head cannon that the vipers biker gang called the hit
Tony was killed. The screen going black is him instantly dying after being shot by the Members Only guy. That’s what happens when you die - no heaven, no hell....just black. Life, then no life. There are clues throughout the entire last season. Like David Chase said - it’s all there on the screen. I always felt it was poignant that Paulie was the only main character (beside Tony’s family) to survive. He survived because he was old school, strong, superstitious and street smart.
Paulie did have the makings of a varsity mobster
Paulie only survived because they felt he was unimportant and not in line to become boss. They whacked Tony cause he was the boss and Bobby and Sil cause they expected them to become the immediate boss after Tony.
I watched the entire show last week and i must say, the end didn't give me the idea he died there.
I do understand it being possible with the guy coming back from the restroom and shooting him in the head and the screen going black because thats the end of Tony, but thats not what i got from it while watching.
Pretty good end tho, anything could have happened and people can imagine whatever they want.
You can make whatever story you want, but this is where the show ends.
I think we were wacked.
If Tony did die in the last episode it was honestly probably the best for everyone in the family in the long run...despite being traumatic the way it went down in front of them.
If Tony had went to prison after Carlo testified then the same thing would happen to the family financially that happened to Johnny Sack when he was arrested.
If Tony was killed then Carmela would get the house and she and the kids would get the money he presumably had stashed away.
They could carve out their own future and Tony wouldn't have to spend his life in prison. Tony was never really incarcerated long term before. I'm sure he wouldn't enjoy life in prison after living the comfy lifestyle he had been leading.
He did get murdered and he didn’t get murdered. Both scenarios must be true if either is, until you actually see the ending.
Just finished the show. The ending couldn’t have been better
Yeah it could have. If we actually saw what happened
Over the years i have come to love the ending. It was jarring at first but its a brilliant ending.
David Chase looks a cross between Scorsese and Pesci
I never agreed more.
I always thought he looked like Steve Buscemi and Mr. Burns.
The sopranos is the greatest show of of all time
He obviously got whacked
I agree ☝🏻
Cavemanjim278
My sister is rewatching it and keeps telling me not to spoil it. Lol she already watched it.
Except for Breaking Bad.
Tony 100000000% was killed in the final scene. With everything he had going on, Phil being whacked, the war with New York, there is ZERO chance Tony was gonna survive that, they were on his ass. His fate finally caught up to him
I would like to see more Sopranos videos
I have many more planned. Stay tuned!
Me too
@@CineRanter awesome! You're the only one cover gangster movie and shows.
The CineRanter lets go I’m ready
@@CineRanter just make sure ya envelope to uncle paulie ain't light , my friend
The clues are all there if you look for them, from the album cover designs to the backwards tracks on certain songs. Tony is the walrus.
He's alive and well. Living with Michael Jackson, Elvis and Tupac. They pick on him for having no musical talent. Really sad actually.
Fuck u
Well neither did pukepac
@@deansley174 Which just tells me you know not a fucking thing about Tupac.
Poor Junior, lost his boss status then . Lost freedom then he even lost his dentures 😢😭
It was Tonys favorite scene in the Godfather when Michael goes into the bathroom comes out and whacks those guys.
The only problem with that is members only guy would have no reason to hide a gun in the bathroom, no one was gonna be searching him at the door
@@bobby.m136 he didn’t hide it in the bathroom.. just him going in and out is enough of a reference to that scene specially since it was mentioned to be Tony’s favorite scene
David Chase paying homage
Remember in 6b episode 3 when Tony was saved from going into by his daughters voice saying “Don’t leave us daddy” isn’t it fitting she’s the last person he saw
He didn't get to see her. That one last joy was ripped away from him.
The episode was called MADE IN AMERICA. Clue. The man with the baseball cap who walks in to the restaurant is played by Robert Patrick - who played the poor guy that lost his sports store due to his gambling way back in season 2 (or 3 maybe). On his cap it says "Made in America". Notice we are never shown his face properly. All the other atmospherics were a diversion. He shoots Tony. Honestly, there'd be no irony if it were just some random guy for a million reasons you could guess. So, all the theories in this video are valid but the clue was slapping everyone in the face. The title of the episode and the baseball cap. Go look if you don't believe me. This was revealed years ago. And honestly, if fits perfectly. Karma.
i like this theory, or he paid the other guy to pull the trigger and wanted to witness it?
Robert Patrick did not play the MEMBERS ONLY guy.
It was Robert Patrick you wally
Tony knew he was coming for him when walking out of the bathroom.
Tony kills him.
Tony is sent to prison for decades via self defense murder + associates testifying against him.
"The Sopranos" as we knew them are gone,blacked out,and will never be again.
Schrodinger's onion ring.
Underrated comment
Anyone else think that the reason screen goes black is cause Tony Jr. (viewer POV ) got shot instead of Tony Sr. ? Remember,Meadow enters and the bell rings which could have distracted the shooter therefore once again saving Tony Sr.
@@markdornan7247 I'm just saying what if Anthony Soprano Sr. lived but Anthony Jr. got shot instead? That way the debate on whether Tony lived or died can live on
member's only crew:
lou dimaggio
eugene pontecorvo
lupertazzi hitman who shot sil
lupertazzi hitman who shot tony
Eugene (as Members Only) shot and killed Teddy Spirodakis. T.S. eh? eh?
Even if he wasn't whacked, he's probably going to prison because Carlo flipped on him. And even if he didn't go to prison, he's still gonna live the rest of his life in fear.
Tony was the man I Wiil always love this show the sopranos
Could’ve meant it was the end of his life as a mobster because they attempted to whack him in the restaurant, failed, & led to Tony flipping on all of his former associates due to the betrayal. Who knows? Maybe his daughter Meadow walked in, saw the hitman coming out of the bathroom pulling out a gun, & maybe she had a gun & shot the hitman. 🤷♂️
Spooky thing is in the episode “Members Only” Tony was shot by his uncle in the same exact shirt that he had on in the restaurant. Even more spooky Eugene who wears a Members Only jacket shoot and kills a man in a restaurant. The dude who people think killed Tony had a Members Only jacket on in a restaurant same as Eugene.
Gothamlover 69 they did it to leave us guessing and ain’t want to end the show by our favorite bad guy getting killed in front his family me as a fan I would have wanted revenge and would have been mad if the show ended like that
@Gothamlover 69 vito was recast as guy buying begels when cris gets mad, so it can all be coincidance
I don’t believe Tony died, and never have thought that since it was aired back in 07. Although I believe David Chase has recently come out and confirmed Tony died, I think he said this to appease fans who have wanted a definitive answer from him since this aired.
The whole scene is a view point to Tony’s daily life of living in paranoia as a mob boss. Where even going for a family dinner is fought with danger. We’ve seen Tony and his family sit down for meals at restaurants throughout the show, but they’ve always been at familiar places like Artie’s restaurant. This was a restaurant they had dined at before, but it was the first time we have seen this. The unfamiliar location adds to our tension too. Every one who walks through the door, walks past to the restroom is a potential threat to Tony. It’s second nature for him to suspect any stranger as a threat. The final scene is Meadow rushing through the door after being late. This sudden rush of the door opening startles Tony..and that’s where it obviously cuts out.
First time Ive seen anyone feel the same way I do about the ending. I dont think he got wacked. Its exactly as you said, the paranoia and all. The final scene could almost have been designed with the intent to make us feel like Tony feels throughout everyday life. Then it fades to black because the story is over. Viewers can either interpret it as he dies or he continues to live. Maybe he goes to prison, maybe he doesnt. Thing is, everything has to end eventually.
@@THEBIRDMAN9412 Yes, totally agree. I also think David Chase added a number of scenes throughout season 6 that kept us guessing as to their meaning.
Another example will be when Silvio strangled Burt Gervasi for wanting to switch sides to New York during the war. As he’s lying dead on his floor, there is a close up of his white slip on shoes. There similar to the ones that Paulie also wears. The meaning of this was to suggest that Paulie could also betray Tony and the jersey leadership and switch sides. Which given his actions in season 4 trying to get close to Carmine through Johnny Sack was a real possibility. But this obviously never transpired.
But anyway I’ve always liked the ending and as you mentioned it’s just to emphasise everything comes to an end..for us as viewers anyway. Realistically I imagine Tony would have lost his trial and gone to prison.
The most tragic part about the scene is that Meadow probably witnessed not just her father get killed but brother and mother too. I really don't think the hitman would have stopped at Tony sadly.
But yeah Tony definitely died. Probably two shots to the face and or chest. AJ and his mother next to him in shock. AJ gets shot next followed by Carmela. These ones are quicker and not necessary kill shots but at such close range you can imagine. As for Meadow. She either lived because she hid or escaped or simply because the hitman had no idea she was part of the family.
No, the families are always off limits.
@@jimmy7434 Well the series history of hits in the show. 90% of the time innocent bystanders or body guards were killed just because. On top of this AJ would have been the most likely person to attack said hitman after his fathers death. So to avoid this AJ was most definitely killed. Also being Tonys main successor. Can't get revenge if the main crew is dead and at this point it basically is. Another huge hint is the fact that each member of family who is sitting at the table eats an onion ring. Almost like a last supper kind of thing. All but Meadow because she wasn't at the table. Tony even comments "Oh I ordered something for the table." Meaning the food but the key word is ordered. How many hits has Tony ordered in the past? Meaning the possible order was "Take out everyone at the table." Which i'm sure the initial surprise was even the family because Tony mentions they're not supposed to touch family. Yet I think the fact that he said that earlier in the episode signifies they did.
On top of all that. By also killing AJ and Carmela takes out the possibility of anyone identifying the set up girl. Who was the only other person at the house who over heard they were going to be at the diner? Rhiannon. She was in on it. They took advantage of AJ's weakness to get close to the family.