Wow, ABs supporter here and I can't believe the amount of bitching about bullshit here. We were beaten by the best team on the night peoples. The Boks fully deserve the cup and all the plaudits that come with it. Congratulations to the Springboks, well played and much respect to you all.
I’m a south African and if u are an ABs supporter u need to do some work! Siya shud have gotten a red, the ref patronised Ardie with our penalty we got which was WAY WAY WRONG and Eben does not get a yellow card for elbowing an oke in the face!!!! Wow bro u are better than me. I feel we did NOT deserve this cup at all!!!! Barnes ruined everything!!!!
As a South African, i feel very aggrieved. We've done something incredible, and all we've heard from the last three weeks is talk about refs. Yes, there were calls in all those games that went our way. But therwere calls that Saffas would argue went against us. In the end, France, England, and the ABs lost because they missed chances to score. That being said, we missed chances, too. The reality is those three teams were all lost because they did not capitalize. Blame the ref all you want. I know we have in the past. I hope rugby does sort the rules out. They are too complicated to ref in real time. And rugby is a contact sport. Unless a hit is egregiously bad, then it shouldn't be red carded. It's rugby. it's a contact sport. The players know what sport they are playing. Either accept the risks or dont play... I do want to Comend on the ABs players. In defeat, they have been the most gracious i have seen out of anyone. Not like the Enlish 'kants' who ripped their silver medals off their necks the second they walked off. May the relivalry continue to continue. May Razor take you to new levels and the boys' new coach the same.
I don't know why this needs further explanation! South Africa remains the most vocal against match officials. It's just sour grapes and I hope New Zealand finds its head in this as they the ones pushing for law changes to make Union League!
@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb 100% this is not league. It union. People want to see set piece, they want to see the big forwards. It's a game for everyone, the small, fast guys, and the big, strong, slow guys. I do hope the rules become less complicated, but the game fundamentals should not change. It's typically, though. When you are on the top step, the world is going to come for you. It's the reality of all sport.
I agree ABs had a chance even a few but didn't take them. Sure the ref made blunders but you have to play them out of the game by having bigger margins in points. Some of the rule changes don't help the game but they are the rules and you have to create a game plan to accomodate. Congrats SA the effort it took to get you there and finish the job is a lesson ABs need to have a good look at. Does NZ need to change the DNA, nope! Were conditions more favourable to SA maybe. Thats sport, take it on the chin and buy the boys in green a beer.
Boks got zero penalties in the second half. Combine that with no hooker, go figure it took us to defend for 40 mins in order to win. So all of you eating sour grapes can go write your complaints and place them in the suggestion box
Sth Africa can never complain about referees ever again. This year, most decisions went their way, all the way to the World Cup win. Looks like Rassie's little moan last year paid off.
South Africa also had their game plan thrown into turmoil. They had to play without an actual hooker on the field for 78 minutes and 2 yellow cards in the game. Bottom line is both teams had to improvise, adapt, adjust to something unforeseen & only one could prevail as victors.
It's not about ifs and buts. South Africa has had to deal with losses before, when decisions were questionable. Now can those who have lost, do the same? Please. South Africa won the cup! Go Bokke!!! Well done! 🎉
The hooker thing was their own decision -no one else's fault. The injury to Bongi was an accident.I saw Frizzell being push by a Boy and landed on his leg.This was an accident and did not deserve a yellow card. The things that happened weren't Barnes fault. Far too much effected by the TMO.
@@larrytasker7043It was the Sprinboks descision to have only one specialist hooker in the matchday 23. It was Frizzel's descision to try and rip Mbonambi's head of whilst falling on the wrong side of the ruck and landing on his leg. Should have been a red card as Nigel Owens and many other ex refs have said. The Springboks played against the team with the most cards in the tournament (no discipline),without a hooker who went of because of foul play, and still won. ABs simply don't have the Springboks World Cup pedigree. Deal with it. 🏆🏆🏆🏆
The targeting of the lower limb taking a crucial player out of the game in the first few minutes should be the biggest talking point. Taking SA's dominating set plays out of the game so early was a genius move by NZ and almost paid off.
'TARGETTING' the lower limb??? That is 'some accussation' - where's your proof that his fall onto to that limb was deliberate and cynical? Lucky you are not a ref or TMO 🤨🤔
@turangatohiariki3042 SA were down to 14 men for at least 20 minutes and NZ were so close. NZ only have themselves to blame for not closing out that game and taking their chances. These things happen.
South Africans have respect for ABs. At the end they were coming strong and we were willing the clock to move faster. It could have been either side. They are both pretty good even on their bad days.
Wow just wow. Certainly the most level headed kiwi take I heard in the last 8 years. Thanks for your time, understanding and actual knowledge for the laws! Keep keeping us informed!
The boks will likely win 80% of the tournaments from here on out if they continue with these ridiculous woke PC rules. The way its officiated forces teams to play basically the way the boks play which is kick the ball high asf and hope for a penalty, card or general mess. If thats how rugby is now then no thanks. The AB's and NZ rugby need to make a decision now weather we even bother to contest WC's properly because whats the point when the entire things comes down to the whim of a ref or tmo. Its basically a lolly scramble and the boks are the best atm at picking those pieces up and I doubt anyone else is going to catch them.
@@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb See you simply dont get it. Nobody is going to want to watch or play this game with these ridiculous rules. Enjoy your failing game. I'll take my money elsewhere. Blowed if im spending thousands to fly across the world to watch a tournament when theres a 99.9% chance your team gets knocked out by ridiculous crap totally out of their control.
@@JohanVanDerPoel Because thats the way you almost have to play under the current officiating and rules. If you try run it in your own half your going to get penalized constantly and put under pressure. Theres no advantage to being the team playing running rugby so rugby at the top level has devolved into this ridiculous kicking for mistakes, penalties and cards contest. And the boks are the best at that. End of story. I dont see anyone except England beating them at this style of game at world cups if england get their chit together. The game longterm is going to suffer for this. Im not paying thousands of dollars to fly overseas and watch this crap thats for sure.
@@mikecahill3989 yea this is true, every Bok supporter would have preferred to win against 15 men, especially the ABs. WR needs to sort this silly red card BS out. Send the man off but at least replace him and punish the offender afterwards with a one match ban.
Congratulations SA, you did enough in the end. Gutted for our boys, but no complaints about the result. Our discipline cost us in the end. It's hard enough beating you with 15 boys on the park, let alone 14. Until we meet again...
Just a note to all complaining about the ref. In the final all cards were because of TMO referals. Most of them 3 to 4 stages of play later. After the review the TMO, linesman and ref made a call based on consensus on application if rules and fitted penalty. Kudos to the ref for a job well done.
As a South African I’m telling u wrong!!! Not the most important one!! Our penalty which earned us 3 points which Old Barnes admitted was HIS MISTAKE!!!!! Let’s be honest at least!!!!!
@@Quadruple8888At last a Bokke with integrity. I knew there had to be at least one out there. Reading some of the Bokke comments on the various threads it is understandable why your country has so many issues. Well done on your WC win.
Now we know how South Africa felt when Bryce cheated them out of a cup and got nominated as NZ referee that year. You got to live with the reality you create and support yourself. Dont be surprised when the snake ends up eating its own tail.
Thanks for admitting "we didn't play well". Such respect. Thank you. We're having to deal with lots of whining. When SA lost to Aus after the Bryce debacle, we got over it and we are now four times champions. And as for Cane, life is more than sport. Really, he's OK.
@@philsterthephilster should coulda would. Our third string hooked blah blah blah. Had we played better in round one against Ireland we would have played better 😆
Hi Martin I am a South African living in New Zealand for more than twenty year's and you the first radio commentator in New Zealand that has not been an arrogant all black supporter as you've had my favorite commentator justin marshall who is honestly the only kiwi to call the all blacks out if they not great and that's the reason I think that his not on the sky commentary because when you listen to the current you might as well go watch the game at there house and that to me is not an unbiased view so thank you Mr Devlin and to you Justin Marshall you make the game great please keep up the good work ps if you do end up reading this please tell Justin Marshall that we south africans appreciate his honesty
Not enough attention being paid to the impact of Frizell taking out Mbonambi. That cost SA more than the ABs as they had to play 77mins with a reserve hooker when they were clearly planning for a forward/set piece dominated game. That went out the window 3mins in and I can't recall the Boks being awarded a single scrum or maul penalty in this game, yet they managed to adapt and dig deep. I take nothing away from the ABs but give everything to the Boks for achieving the nearly impossible. Come home safely boys, we'll be waiting with shear admiration.
I still don't understand why we didn't bring in a specialist hooker when Malcolm Marx got injured. Bongi put in a colossal effort this world cup! Our lineouts were abysmal for most of the tournament, I don't blame Bongi or Deon (Im pretty sure his stats are worse than Bongi) exclusively, but we've fallen a long way in that department! Either way. Go Bokke!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
AB fan. That was sloppy/lazy from Frizell, he can do so much better there for sure and he is bloody lucky he didn't end Mbomnabi career. Boks are deserved champions, The better Team won. Don't listen to the sore losers. We'll see you again soon
Much respect to Fozzy, him and this current crop of AB’s came so close in a game of fine margins, but I fear this coming Scott Robinson-era. I hope Rassie stays on at the Boks so that this clash of two inspiring coaches and teams and nations may continue!
I think the ABs are going to do an Australia, the SA team they played in the final were battered and bruised from the 1st match to the last Only Romania was an easy one even Tonga injured players. ABs were playing a hospital ward and still lost. ABs had a Limousine ride to the final. Also the ref killed Ireland Ireland shdve already diapatched them.
I think the razor era could be great. He’s innovative and I’m looking forward to that. I think this era of rugby has never looked so enticing for attacking rugby. I see this defences styled rugby can be cut to pieces by a pure attacking team like the abs who holds the ball and can go phase after phase. Generally you’re only going to get carded on defence anyways so limit your time doing it.
Kolisis tackle and Canes tackle can't be compared Kolisi made contact on the chest and Seveas whip lash hit the top of his head that tackle had nothing wrong Cane hit the guy full frontal to the head.... Cane maybe a yellow but Frisell was a red card with a 10 week ban...from the side,of neck role,off feet, falling with his weight on the player and malitiously causing an injury in the first 2 min.
Thanks for excellent programmes during RWC Martin.Will remain subscribe as I am interested in NZ overall.Best defending team v best attacking team.Could have gone either way.Expect Razor to bdo big things.❤ and respect from🇿🇦
Rassie signed an extension on his contract till 2025 with the option to extend to 2027. SA will have a huge talent drain after this WC as their players are oldish. SA are also notorious for dipping after a WC victory, so they need him to steady the ship and get the new talent through.
I think this is a bit overplayed. Only Vermeulen, Fourie are out an out retiring. 6-7 of the others have at least 2 years left. All the 29-31 year olds have another 4 years left barring injuries but might not cope with playing 3 weeks in a row. But certainly squad will need at least ~10 new faces by 2027. With smart coaching making a powerful defence of the next RWC is entirely possible.
NZ lost not because of the ref but because they did not convert their opportunities into points. They had more than enough opportunities to win the game.
Now the AB's know what the French might have felt in 2011, losing a final by one point is tough to take. So many "what ifs" in this final, both teams missed try scoring chances. Losing Bongi Mbonambi after a couple minutes was exactly Boks worst fear and that's what made the game so close. I believe in those conditions the Boks would likely have had greater set piece dominance had their hooker stayed on the field. Because the guts, defence and intensity from Boks would still have been a factor in the game.
Chris mentioned that it will be nice to have russie to help england but russie did try to help england by naming their squad to face boks in the semis but borthwick thought it was another russie mind games and do it his own way and lost by one point
I was a bad supporter. I chucked down the remote here in Spain after cane was sent off. Went to the pub. Had a few beers. Turned the tele back on expecting a blow out. Only losing by one point with that red is a great effort.
You've got that right... for Springboks it was the refusal to be beaten... This was victory thru defence... Springboks put 12 points on the board in 30 minutes and then defended those points with their life... Springboks had more motivation to win this world cup... It was a master plan/goal that was conceived by Rassie and team in 2018
Even though cane saw red, if it really was serious why wasn’t a HIA assessment imposed on the SA player…. I accept the red but the inconsistencies with this games insane!!!!
...yeah I don't accept the red cards at all, there has to be a better way. Red cards only for the worst possible plays, eye gouging, head stomping etc, all of which has largely gone from the game now anyway. The game has been spoiled by fear of being sent off.
@@cspace1234nz look canes shot was high, but a mitigating factor of the springbok stepping and changing his height prior to contact was ignored. I wish there was another angle to see if cane made contact with his left arm before that right shoulder. But it’s done, I just hope an orange card rule comes out, ie dangerous high tackle player in bin 20min, then he’s subbed out of the whole game as a punishment to the high tackler and not the team or fans. Plus match suspension…
@@exatorian3468 ...unfortunately the players are now motivaated by the avoidance of cards rather than innovative and creative play. It's a game created by a committee and it'll only get worse from here.
You say that, but the reason we have the rule is to prevent a player being seriously hurt, and missing the rest of the Tournament. Pieter-Steph Du Toit made countless tackles during the game, and none were dangerous.
This was neutral and objective commentary based on facts.This is like a fresh breeze compared to most commentators who give one-sided views and hammer the referee!
What a pleasure it is listening to this. Impartial, considered, true. Not like the incredible amount of crap currently swirling around the internet about what was an epic tussle.
agree only one winner no place for heroic second bests. I only remember the england team that won the WC can remember the other ones that got to the final. This NZ team will long be forgotten sad but that is sport.
New Zealand should of buried us with that performance, you didn't. Discipline was a huge factor and New Zealand knows it. You didn't take your chances and South Africa never took the opportunities we created. Let rugby be the winner gents!
Shannon knew exactly what he was doing. He moved his arm to maximize the damage. He deserved a red and they were lenient on him but then they couldn't let Sams go. Discipline has been our issue for the past 18 months. Smh
Shannon was very lucky, to me he knew exactly what he was doing. He fell on bongis leg and just stayed there…. Our line out was non existent with fourie and yet we still won! Amazing
In terms of several replays the TMO was correct everytime. The AB's played 40m more with 14 players than the Boks. A red of 50 minutes game time and yellow vs 2 yellows = 60 less 40 = 40. The Bok discipline during the tournament caused them to give away less cards.In the quarter round they received their first yellow.This was obviously a strong focus in their preparation.Teams must obviously plan in terms of the laws in the game.Did the Bok coach coached this better? Nevertheless World Rugby should find an answer as spectators would like to see 15 vs 15. Cards should not be an "additional" player which can win or lose a game.
AB need to be happy that they came this far because from the beginning of WC i was never convinced by this AB team#said with respect, im sorry to tel you the truth .#coach RasNaber and Team
The only thing that lost the game for NZ was the unsuccessful conversion. Taking attempts at penalty goals would have given a totally different game of action. For example the Kolbe yellow card would never had happened because there is no way that that part of play could occur.
And the penalty awarded to us which Ardie questioned and the ref admitted he was at fault but did not bother to overturn! He rather says (for the whole world to see) SORRY! What a joke!!!!!
I love the bunker, lets be honest I would prefer the right call because it was checked by the bunker than have the ref being the target because he just did not see something.
These NZ fans are so terrible I hope they never win another match and go the way of Australia because they were never taught how to be gracious in defeat I guess that's what winning too much does to you . They are saying the game is so awful and terrible to watch except if they won by 1 point they would not be having any of those disgusting conversations . Rugby will never be ' good enough ' until they win, as long as they are losing the game is just not right in their eyes and they should be ignored because if we listened to them the changes wouldn't stop , we do not want to let their thugs run rampant injuring players deliberately , we do not want rugby union to turn into rugby league .
@jdb9388 League is still league, pass take the tackle, pass take the tackle. Union the ball is always alive until the whistle blows. Unfortunately it blows too often in Union.
Everyone in NZ raving about how the AB looked like the better team but they don’t realise that the Bok strategy is to play without the ball. We win by defence
May I ask all those rugby gurus who are upset/angry/disappointed with the refereeing decisions made during the 2023 RWC, where they were a year ago ? Did they agree are criticise Mr. ‘Rassie’ Erasmus’ comments regarding the N. Hemisphere referees ??? Exactly. Now sit down and STFU. 🤫
It was good game allblacks got nothing to be ashamed off it was just key moments and the biggest thing is you had changes. Good to see the coach of the Allblacks going out on a high making the World cup final when everyone had written him off.
I'm worried for the game. Death threats and the crowd booing refs and players alike. Every team think they should have won and the list goes on. I love this sport and we should as supporters be mindful of how we treat each other. The banter is always good and part of the tradition but the superiority complex and arrogance witnessed the last couple of weeks goes beyond me. Look at our players and management for a lesson in humility, this in all probability won us the title for a forth time. We believed we could win, we didn't believe we were better. Let that sink in.
As a proud South African, I'll say thank you Martin for acknowledging that the Boks are deserved World Champions. Lets not lower ourselves to refs and cards. We all know that applies to all teams. The odds were stacked against South Africa and we delivered, three weekends in a row. We have immense respect for the ABs who will always be the benchmark regarding respect and values. Boks have learned and grown. Rugby is religion in South Africa. We always believe.
Totally agree Martin. Unfortunately, it's not the first time an AB team, with all due respect, has choked at a WC competition. 2nd place is definitely achievement and an improvement from 3rd place at RWC 2019. E tu Aotearoa, hold your heads up high and be proud of our All Blacks. A phenomenal 90% defensive effort from the Springboks was the catalyst for the victory therefore, congratulations SA and thank you for one of the best nail-biting finals in rugby history...
They did not choke.The Boks defence was amazing and the TMO was wrong at least once.They were totally incorrect ruling Aarons try out. Don't forget the ABs scored the only try in the game ( arguably 2 tries). The only team to ever score a try against the Boks in a final. That isn't choking is it
@@larrytasker7043 it was definitely your typical CHOKE, it rarely happens but, it does happen unfortunately. Ritchie Mo'unga and Jordie Barrett, two of the best goal kickers, didn't have enough ice in the veins when it was required
NZ won a world cup 9-8 against France with RichieM completely offside in front of the post in the final minute. The SA ref should absolutely have penalized him.
@@anthonymokootherock1362 Mate, clearly you didn't understand why I wrote my comment and my meaning. I thought you would have read between the lines. It's clear to me now that I need to explain in depth, why I copied your statement and made alterations. I wrote it because I felt your statement is silly and childish. By doing what I did I was hoping that you would understand that and think again about posting anything remotely of that nature. Because your comment and similar comments, comes across that maybe the SB fans aren't entirely convinced that the victory against the AB's was legit and more of a hollow one, and if the AB's were at full strength the SB may been staring at defeat of a mammoth proportion. As far your other statement about SB winning WC, no argument here buddy, just not sure if the SB fans can rightly call the SB the greatest team in history, as stated by mark below.
Did the better team on the night won on SA last 3 matches? I always said that it is my hope that refereeing decisions don't determine the outcomes of matches. Rest my case.
This was an epic World cup...extremely well organised by France...brilliant, kudos to the FFR. Onto the tournament itself...This was a final that we have all been waiting for from a SA/NZ perspective. As a spectacle it was not a great match BUT it was final after all. New Zealand gave it their all and for them there was very small margins between winning and losing. South Africa came in to the final after massively hard matches in the group matches AND in the knockout phases. Before the final, because of this we were not given a big chance of winning. Have a look at this; Scotland (huge); Romania (easy); Ireland(lost - huge); Tonga (physical); France (huge 1 point); England (huge 1 point); NZ. Despite the schedule, South Africa withstood everything that was thrown at them and WON..We are deserving winners and I believe that very few nations would be able to do what we did. We played the opponent in front of us every time...we asked for no quarter and gave nothing in return. We are the champions!
Why is no one talking about the horrible Frizell yellow card? That was the worst call of the match. The TMO said it was an accident, so that wasn't a yellow and it wasn't even a penalty.
Congrats SA. TMO and cards for me are destroying the game. It’s a contact sport. And yellow for deliberate knock on is just OTT. It’s killing the e game. AB’s did amazing.
I do think cane was unlucky, and no blame there, But the tmo... Was interfering. The Aaron Smith try went through 5 phases before being called back. Tmo is only allowed to go back 2 phases.
JUst look at the way Kane set up, compared to Kolesi, If you set up like that , you are , going to get red cards as the margin for error is way too small, He is not the only one who tackles like thgis, Owen Farrel and Kriel, for example,do the same thing and run the same risk, Absolutely correct decisions!
Keep on complaining and not giving the Bokke what they deserve, it fuels us South Africans, now the Bokke will make a hat-trick out of this, 3 in a row, just to prove a point. So, by all means, carry on.
Kiwi have. Canes tackle going by book was100% a red. Kolis was a yellow. But Eban was a yellow for lazy running back and a yellow/red for leading with forearm/elbow to head in tackle. If we have to protect attacking players from getting hits to the head. We also have to protect defending tacklers getting hit in the head from elbows to the head. But that's not the reason we lost. The bar i was watching everyone was screaming at tv when Jordie kicked to the corner instead of taking the easy 3 points that would made it 14-12. Everyone knows in tight games you got to take the points. Especially if it puts you in the lead in the final.
The ball went backwards after Etzebeth hit it and that is not illegal. You see it all the time except the ball is usually high in the air when players knock it back . Learn the laws
Regardless if you’re a South African supporter or an all blacks supporter, it’s very disappointing that the referring has played such a role here and it’s what everyone’s talking about. This game will forever be marred by it unfortunately.
Once and for all people must start to grasp the reality that the ref does'n''t make the final call when it's a referral, it's an independent decision from officials designated in the bunker system. Until it is addressed by world rugby people should zip it, specially former players.
I don’t believe sam canes so called decision was even a decision knowing what’s at stake. It’s a reflex and most of these head clashes are happening in the forwards when there’s no time to think but only time to react. Ok we do need to protect the players. But at the same time I think we all want 15 on 15. I’m pretty sure that’s what the punter wants and if they don’t get it they start to get frustrated and start to follow other sports.
Sorry to say but Sam also high tackeled Jessy early in the game and got away with it!Go look The AB got two penalties and dicided to go for touch Wrong choice?
Arrogance cost the ABs. They had opportunities to take shots at goal and win. They didn’t. They went for the corner and didn’t take the points. It’s a final. Take the points always. Arrogance.
Normally such great commentary from you marty. Such a shame you decide to spend more time talking about the ref, then the incredible achievement the Springboks have achieved.
You have to stop obsessing about the old game. This is not 1980 or 2000 its 2023. This is what defines international World Cup test rugby. If you don’t like it Martin - go watch League and leave Union alone. You cannot force everyone to play the way the All Blacks do. Go watch Portugal, they play a whole different style to SA, NZ and England. Everyone outside NZ is sick and tired of the ‘Expansive Game’ bull dust. So childish
ABs brought the intensity and the grit, sadly not good enough. The Razr era will define the next AB generation, the North have caught up and can now compete with the SH giants...Hard luck but ABs will be back. Well done to SA, they say defences win matches-and the attack by how much. NZ beat Ireland on the basis of a phenomenal def performance, 14 man vs the Boks was an impossible task that the Men in Black almost won.
...the last 4 years have been a horror stories and one reasonable game against the Irish (who were always going to choke anyway) along with a bunch of Sevens-style easy wins, does not forgive what NZ Rugby and their incompetent coach have put both the outstanding players and the fans through. The board needs to be down the road with the coach, a new board with a winning coach will start the rebuild back to the All Black's once high standards of excellence and leadership in international rugby innovation they were previously known and feared for. Runner-up should never be good enough, not ever !
I never expected them to get past the quarter final. I was just so pleased they beat Ireland. Cane is an idiot and I'm glad he and foster are gone. Four more years.
He was never my hero. I was one of the few that refused to buy the bullshit. All these so called fans chopping and changing between disliking him and loving him, it was a joke to watch. And now the silly fool has cost us the final. Good riddance to him and foster. And I'm glad I stuck to my opinion.@@CouncilofOneElectronic
South Africa were always going to win this RWC, Ireland were always going to choke, France will never win a RWC, England are just England. Likewise, the All Blacks were never going to win under the incompetent coach and it was highly predictable that their final would be defined by cards. NZ Rugby has a lot to answer for, it has been a horror nightmare 4 years and we can only look forward to a proper coach, a winning coach, rebuilding the once mighty All Blacks who were previously the innovators of world rugby and were feared for their once high standards of excellence, something this clown coach couldn't possibly know anything about. Good riddance and I think a lot of Kiwis might start watching the rugby again, myself included. Congratulations South Africa, well done, deserved winners.
I predict there will be two referees on the field before long, looking at both sides of scrums, rucks and mauls, line outs and anything else. The game will go the way of American football and the beauty of free running rugby will be lost forever
Cane a red card and Kolisi a yellow card. No complaints from me. Frizzell took the Bok hooker out of the game with foul play. So it evens up. The ABs had their chances to win and didn't take them so good on the Boks.
@@nepiahemopo1702 Frizzel had Bongi around the neck for a roll and then fell on his knee. Players are not supposed to go off their feet in a ruck, it's an illegal clean out to roll a player round the neck using your own body weight with a deliberate fall. Reckless and dangerous foul play. Could have been a red card in my opinion.
Wow, ABs supporter here and I can't believe the amount of bitching about bullshit here.
We were beaten by the best team on the night peoples. The Boks fully deserve the cup and all the plaudits that come with it. Congratulations to the Springboks, well played and much respect to you all.
I’m a south African and if u are an ABs supporter u need to do some work! Siya shud have gotten a red, the ref patronised Ardie with our penalty we got which was WAY WAY WRONG and Eben does not get a yellow card for elbowing an oke in the face!!!! Wow bro u are better than me. I feel we did NOT deserve this cup at all!!!! Barnes ruined everything!!!!
@@Quadruple8888The rugby World Cup was won by the better team. There is no other way than what happens at the time.
@@Quadruple8888 Agreed. The ref and tMO did alot to help SA get the win. Rugby was robbed. I was disappointed to watch the sport go this way.
Rare comment - well done!
rubbish 15 on 14 for most of the game and couldn't even score a try the most boring side in rugby
As a South African, i feel very aggrieved. We've done something incredible, and all we've heard from the last three weeks is talk about refs. Yes, there were calls in all those games that went our way. But therwere calls that Saffas would argue went against us. In the end, France, England, and the ABs lost because they missed chances to score. That being said, we missed chances, too. The reality is those three teams were all lost because they did not capitalize. Blame the ref all you want. I know we have in the past.
I hope rugby does sort the rules out. They are too complicated to ref in real time. And rugby is a contact sport. Unless a hit is egregiously bad, then it shouldn't be red carded. It's rugby. it's a contact sport. The players know what sport they are playing. Either accept the risks or dont play...
I do want to Comend on the ABs players. In defeat, they have been the most gracious i have seen out of anyone. Not like the Enlish 'kants' who ripped their silver medals off their necks the second they walked off. May the relivalry continue to continue. May Razor take you to new levels and the boys' new coach the same.
I don't know why this needs further explanation! South Africa remains the most vocal against match officials. It's just sour grapes and I hope New Zealand finds its head in this as they the ones pushing for law changes to make Union League!
@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb 100% this is not league. It union. People want to see set piece, they want to see the big forwards. It's a game for everyone, the small, fast guys, and the big, strong, slow guys. I do hope the rules become less complicated, but the game fundamentals should not change.
It's typically, though. When you are on the top step, the world is going to come for you. It's the reality of all sport.
I agree ABs had a chance even a few but didn't take them. Sure the ref made blunders but you have to play them out of the game by having bigger margins in points. Some of the rule changes don't help the game but they are the rules and you have to create a game plan to accomodate.
Congrats SA the effort it took to get you there and finish the job is a lesson ABs need to have a good look at.
Does NZ need to change the DNA, nope!
Were conditions more favourable to SA maybe.
Thats sport, take it on the chin and buy the boys in green a beer.
Boks got zero penalties in the second half. Combine that with no hooker, go figure it took us to defend for 40 mins in order to win. So all of you eating sour grapes can go write your complaints and place them in the suggestion box
Sth Africa can never complain about referees ever again. This year, most decisions went their way, all the way to the World Cup win.
Looks like Rassie's little moan last year paid off.
South Africa also had their game plan thrown into turmoil. They had to play without an actual hooker on the field for 78 minutes and 2 yellow cards in the game. Bottom line is both teams had to improvise, adapt, adjust to something unforeseen & only one could prevail as victors.
The flank playing hookers Was a hooker for about 10 years, then moved to flank😮 12:41
It's not about ifs and buts. South Africa has had to deal with losses before, when decisions were questionable. Now can those who have lost, do the same? Please. South Africa won the cup! Go Bokke!!! Well done! 🎉
The hooker thing was their own decision -no one else's fault. The injury to Bongi was an accident.I saw Frizzell being push by a Boy and landed on his leg.This was an accident and did not deserve a yellow card. The things that happened weren't Barnes fault. Far too much effected by the TMO.
@@larrytasker7043It was the Sprinboks descision to have only one specialist hooker in the matchday 23. It was Frizzel's descision to try and rip Mbonambi's head of whilst falling on the wrong side of the ruck and landing on his leg. Should have been a red card as Nigel Owens and many other ex refs have said. The Springboks played against the team with the most cards in the tournament (no discipline),without a hooker who went of because of foul play, and still won. ABs simply don't have the Springboks World Cup pedigree. Deal with it. 🏆🏆🏆🏆
The targeting of the lower limb taking a crucial player out of the game in the first few minutes should be the biggest talking point. Taking SA's dominating set plays out of the game so early was a genius move by NZ and almost paid off.
So very true
Clearly wasn't targeted. Mistakes happen and you can see it wasn't intentional. Enough with the conspiracy theories SA
Complete horseshit, he didn't target anything. That was in no way an intentional act to remove a player from the field.
'TARGETTING' the lower limb??? That is 'some accussation' - where's your proof that his fall onto to that limb was deliberate and cynical? Lucky you are not a ref or TMO 🤨🤔
Shouldn’t have chanced a 7:1 split then if you believed this was possible
I agree, had we got those conversions over it might be a different story, but kudos SA well done!!
No red card or the free ardie point he gave SA
@@turangatohiariki3042 LOL
NZ should of buried us with that performance, you didn't... Move on
@@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb Buried with your 15 player's & 2 colonial ref's..OWN IT
@turangatohiariki3042 SA were down to 14 men for at least 20 minutes and NZ were so close. NZ only have themselves to blame for not closing out that game and taking their chances. These things happen.
South Africans have respect for ABs. At the end they were coming strong and we were willing the clock to move faster. It could have been either side. They are both pretty good even on their bad days.
ABs have a discipline issue, acknowledge it, deal with it and you will be a better team for it.
Wow just wow. Certainly the most level headed kiwi take I heard in the last 8 years. Thanks for your time, understanding and actual knowledge for the laws! Keep keeping us informed!
Yes, thanks Martin. SA are the deserved winners. We had an amazing tournament but the boks are just an incredible team
The boks will likely win 80% of the tournaments from here on out if they continue with these ridiculous woke PC rules. The way its officiated forces teams to play basically the way the boks play which is kick the ball high asf and hope for a penalty, card or general mess. If thats how rugby is now then no thanks. The AB's and NZ rugby need to make a decision now weather we even bother to contest WC's properly because whats the point when the entire things comes down to the whim of a ref or tmo. Its basically a lolly scramble and the boks are the best atm at picking those pieces up and I doubt anyone else is going to catch them.
Same rules for everyone, noone told New Zealand to play the game it does. World Cup rugby is different to test matches and we saw this at Twickenham
@@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb See you simply dont get it. Nobody is going to want to watch or play this game with these ridiculous rules. Enjoy your failing game. I'll take my money elsewhere. Blowed if im spending thousands to fly across the world to watch a tournament when theres a 99.9% chance your team gets knocked out by ridiculous crap totally out of their control.
AB's kick more than the Boks. Go look at the stats.
@@JohanVanDerPoel Because thats the way you almost have to play under the current officiating and rules. If you try run it in your own half your going to get penalized constantly and put under pressure. Theres no advantage to being the team playing running rugby so rugby at the top level has devolved into this ridiculous kicking for mistakes, penalties and cards contest. And the boks are the best at that. End of story. I dont see anyone except England beating them at this style of game at world cups if england get their chit together. The game longterm is going to suffer for this. Im not paying thousands of dollars to fly overseas and watch this crap thats for sure.
now we know how France felt in 2011
...not really, France have never won a RWC, by then NZ had won two
and 2023..and england felt/feels lol
Fair play but it isn't your first time
Our favorite opponents, it was tight... Too tight.... ABs were resilient... So proud of our boys
You should be. Your boys were heroic in that 2nd half
As a springbok supporter it doesn’t feel like a victory we can overly celebrate , it was hardly emphatic playing against 14 men
@@mikecahill3989 yea this is true, every Bok supporter would have preferred to win against 15 men, especially the ABs. WR needs to sort this silly red card BS out. Send the man off but at least replace him and punish the offender afterwards with a one match ban.
Congratulations SA, you did enough in the end. Gutted for our boys, but no complaints about the result. Our discipline cost us in the end. It's hard enough beating you with 15 boys on the park, let alone 14. Until we meet again...
Just a note to all complaining about the ref. In the final all cards were because of TMO referals. Most of them 3 to 4 stages of play later. After the review the TMO, linesman and ref made a call based on consensus on application if rules and fitted penalty.
Kudos to the ref for a job well done.
Exactly
As a South African I’m telling u wrong!!! Not the most important one!! Our penalty which earned us 3 points which Old Barnes admitted was HIS MISTAKE!!!!!
Let’s be honest at least!!!!!
@Protea8888 I am referring to cards issued
@@Quadruple8888At last a Bokke with integrity. I knew there had to be at least one out there. Reading some of the Bokke comments on the various threads it is understandable why your country has so many issues. Well done on your WC win.
Now we know how South Africa felt when Bryce cheated them out of a cup and got nominated as NZ referee that year. You got to live with the reality you create and support yourself. Dont be surprised when the snake ends up eating its own tail.
Bryce Lawrence did nothing wrong saffa
Barnes did everything right, except fir Kolbe's tellow and the forward try.
@@Charlie-uz8vb Yeah right Kiwi.
Some say bokke is still rolling around on the turf for cards
@@Charlie-uz8vb😂
And the nz try wasn’t a try. They gave it because they’d disallowed the other. Forward pass and knock on would be called 9/10 times in other games.
When they show it in Birds Eye view it’s clear the ball was thrown backwards and bounced forwards
Bird's eye view? It comes down to hand position and you know this! That was forward all day long
@@hamishharkness5176Not a forward pass but a knock on. Once the ball leaves the hands, touches the ground and goes forward, is that not a knock on?
@@hvr8463 not if you drop it backwards which he did
@@hamishharkness5176that ball was so clearly lost forward 😂😂
Thanks for admitting "we didn't play well". Such respect. Thank you. We're having to deal with lots of whining. When SA lost to Aus after the Bryce debacle, we got over it and we are now four times champions. And as for Cane, life is more than sport. Really, he's OK.
Always always always get your kicks right. Always always take the points on offer.
The only certainty along with death and taxes.
@@Bokgatnot really
@@ShiNooBi1986 yes really.
@@Bokgat Had NZ landed the two missed kicks and taken the penalty kicks and not the corner. They would be the 4X world champions now.
@@philsterthephilster should coulda would. Our third string hooked blah blah blah. Had we played better in round one against Ireland we would have played better 😆
South Africa becomes the first country to reach 4 World Champion Trophies. Congratulations Springboks.
Hi Martin I am a South African living in New Zealand for more than twenty year's and you the first radio commentator in New Zealand that has not been an arrogant all black supporter as you've had my favorite commentator justin marshall who is honestly the only kiwi to call the all blacks out if they not great and that's the reason I think that his not on the sky commentary because when you listen to the current you might as well go watch the game at there house and that to me is not an unbiased view so thank you Mr Devlin and to you Justin Marshall you make the game great please keep up the good work ps if you do end up reading this please tell Justin Marshall that we south africans appreciate his honesty
Not enough attention being paid to the impact of Frizell taking out Mbonambi. That cost SA more than the ABs as they had to play 77mins with a reserve hooker when they were clearly planning for a forward/set piece dominated game. That went out the window 3mins in and I can't recall the Boks being awarded a single scrum or maul penalty in this game, yet they managed to adapt and dig deep. I take nothing away from the ABs but give everything to the Boks for achieving the nearly impossible. Come home safely boys, we'll be waiting with shear admiration.
Well sad, go Bokke!
Accident
I still don't understand why we didn't bring in a specialist hooker when Malcolm Marx got injured.
Bongi put in a colossal effort this world cup!
Our lineouts were abysmal for most of the tournament, I don't blame Bongi or Deon (Im pretty sure his stats are worse than Bongi) exclusively, but we've fallen a long way in that department!
Either way.
Go Bokke!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@nielvanderwalt1965 Never said it wasn't
AB fan. That was sloppy/lazy from Frizell, he can do so much better there for sure and he is bloody lucky he didn't end Mbomnabi career.
Boks are deserved champions, The better Team won.
Don't listen to the sore losers. We'll see you again soon
Much respect to Fozzy, him and this current crop of AB’s came so close in a game of fine margins, but I fear this coming Scott Robinson-era. I hope Rassie stays on at the Boks so that this clash of two inspiring coaches and teams and nations may continue!
I think the ABs are going to do an Australia, the SA team they played in the final were battered and bruised from the 1st match to the last Only Romania was an easy one even Tonga injured players.
ABs were playing a hospital ward and still lost. ABs had a Limousine ride to the final. Also the ref killed Ireland Ireland shdve already diapatched them.
Why would you fear Robinson's coming era? Do you not remember Fosters record with the All Blacks over the past four years?
@@Broughiehe just means he thinks Razor is a great coach and the ABs will become even harder to beat
I think the razor era could be great. He’s innovative and I’m looking forward to that. I think this era of rugby has never looked so enticing for attacking rugby. I see this defences styled rugby can be cut to pieces by a pure attacking team like the abs who holds the ball and can go phase after phase. Generally you’re only going to get carded on defence anyways so limit your time doing it.
Kolisis tackle and Canes tackle can't be compared Kolisi made contact on the chest and Seveas whip lash hit the top of his head that tackle had nothing wrong Cane hit the guy full frontal to the head.... Cane maybe a yellow but Frisell was a red card with a 10 week ban...from the side,of neck role,off feet, falling with his weight on the player and malitiously causing an injury in the first 2 min.
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Did this dude just say kolisi made contact with the chest lol? It was head on head on every TMO angle..
Frizzel landed on the leg? Get outta here haha he was oblivious to where he was landing.
@HerbalTee29 it was malicious intent to sit on his leg. 😂 Rules stipulate the dangers sitting can cause.😂😂 It has be STAMPED out! 😂😂😂
Frizzell's card was a joke. Shouldn't have even been a penalty. Players land on each other and injuries happen. It wasn't malicious.
14 men for about 33 minuts, other than that, there was the same amount of players for each Team on the field.
14 vs 15 means nothing right? What are u smoking.
The Fact that you kept kicking to the corner and not take the penalty punt at goal says alot
Thanks for excellent programmes during RWC Martin.Will remain subscribe as I am interested in NZ overall.Best defending team v best attacking team.Could have gone either way.Expect Razor to bdo big things.❤ and respect from🇿🇦
BEST NZ Rugby Show!! Thanks
Rassie signed an extension on his contract till 2025 with the option to extend to 2027. SA will have a huge talent drain after this WC as their players are oldish. SA are also notorious for dipping after a WC victory, so they need him to steady the ship and get the new talent through.
I think this is a bit overplayed. Only Vermeulen, Fourie are out an out retiring. 6-7 of the others have at least 2 years left. All the 29-31 year olds have another 4 years left barring injuries but might not cope with playing 3 weeks in a row. But certainly squad will need at least ~10 new faces by 2027. With smart coaching making a powerful defence of the next RWC is entirely possible.
NZ lost not because of the ref but because they did not convert their opportunities into points. They had more than enough opportunities to win the game.
Now the AB's know what the French might have felt in 2011, losing a final by one point is tough to take. So many "what ifs" in this final, both teams missed try scoring chances. Losing Bongi Mbonambi after a couple minutes was exactly Boks worst fear and that's what made the game so close. I believe in those conditions the Boks would likely have had greater set piece dominance had their hooker stayed on the field. Because the guts, defence and intensity from Boks would still have been a factor in the game.
Chris mentioned that it will be nice to have russie to help england but russie did try to help england by naming their squad to face boks in the semis but borthwick thought it was another russie mind games and do it his own way and lost by one point
The draw was actually the best draw ever
It produced amazing matches
Boks - 4 cups from 8 attempts - greatest record in sport!
Live impartial podcasts. Even if some of us don’t agree some of what’s being said. Good job Marshy
I was a bad supporter. I chucked down the remote here in Spain after cane was sent off. Went to the pub. Had a few beers. Turned the tele back on expecting a blow out. Only losing by one point with that red is a great effort.
You've got that right... for Springboks it was the refusal to be beaten... This was victory thru defence... Springboks put 12 points on the board in 30 minutes and then defended those points with their life... Springboks had more motivation to win this world cup... It was a master plan/goal that was conceived by Rassie and team in 2018
Even though cane saw red, if it really was serious why wasn’t a HIA assessment imposed on the SA player…. I accept the red but the inconsistencies with this games insane!!!!
...yeah I don't accept the red cards at all, there has to be a better way. Red cards only for the worst possible plays, eye gouging, head stomping etc, all of which has largely gone from the game now anyway. The game has been spoiled by fear of being sent off.
@@cspace1234nz look canes shot was high, but a mitigating factor of the springbok stepping and changing his height prior to contact was ignored. I wish there was another angle to see if cane made contact with his left arm before that right shoulder. But it’s done, I just hope an orange card rule comes out, ie dangerous high tackle player in bin 20min, then he’s subbed out of the whole game as a punishment to the high tackler and not the team or fans. Plus match suspension…
@@exatorian3468 ...unfortunately the players are now motivaated by the avoidance of cards rather than innovative and creative play. It's a game created by a committee and it'll only get worse from here.
@@cspace1234nz it’s a shame the way the games gone. But hopefully this games a catalyst for positive change…
You say that, but the reason we have the rule is to prevent a player being seriously hurt, and missing the rest of the Tournament. Pieter-Steph Du Toit made countless tackles during the game, and none were dangerous.
This was neutral and objective commentary based on facts.This is like a fresh breeze compared to most commentators who give one-sided views and hammer the referee!
What a pleasure it is listening to this. Impartial, considered, true. Not like the incredible amount of crap currently swirling around the internet about what was an epic tussle.
The winner deserves it Martin. There is no “who deserves it better”. That’s a defective thought pattern.
Wayne Barnes was fine. Couple kicks missed. Few knock ons. Just did not quite click. A lot to do with Boks physical game.
History says Springboks 2023 champions...
Meh, have it. We want rugby back.
That's what we South Africans remember we are Champions.
@@HerbalTee29your version of rugby or ours?
@@NemoNiemand497 Herbal so delusional he thinks rugby can only be played the NZ way.
agree only one winner no place for heroic second bests. I only remember the england team that won the WC can remember the other ones that got to the final. This NZ team will long be forgotten sad but that is sport.
New Zealand should of buried us with that performance, you didn't. Discipline was a huge factor and New Zealand knows it. You didn't take your chances and South Africa never took the opportunities we created. Let rugby be the winner gents!
Shannon knew exactly what he was doing. He moved his arm to maximize the damage. He deserved a red and they were lenient on him but then they couldn't let Sams go. Discipline has been our issue for the past 18 months. Smh
Time for your meds.
Thats not true
Shannon was very lucky, to me he knew exactly what he was doing. He fell on bongis leg and just stayed there…. Our line out was non existent with fourie and yet we still won! Amazing
@@jsdutoit85 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In terms of several replays the TMO was correct everytime.
The AB's played 40m more with 14 players than the Boks.
A red of 50 minutes game time and yellow vs 2 yellows = 60 less 40 = 40.
The Bok discipline during the tournament caused them to give away less cards.In the quarter round they received their first yellow.This was obviously a strong focus in their preparation.Teams must obviously plan in terms of the laws in the game.Did the Bok coach coached this better?
Nevertheless World Rugby should find an answer as spectators would like to see 15 vs 15. Cards should not be an "additional" player which can win or lose a game.
I can neither confirm nor deny that the name of the assistant tmo was "Susie"
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Was that a try or went the ball forward
AB need to be happy that they came this far because from the beginning of WC i was never convinced by this AB team#said with respect, im sorry to tel you the truth .#coach RasNaber and Team
The only thing that lost the game for NZ was the unsuccessful conversion. Taking attempts at penalty goals would have given a totally different game of action. For example the Kolbe yellow card would never had happened because there is no way that that part of play could occur.
And the penalty awarded to us which Ardie questioned and the ref admitted he was at fault but did not bother to overturn!
He rather says (for the whole world to see) SORRY!
What a joke!!!!!
Yea but those factors are not the only thing. We both know the biggest factor was the red card.
I love the bunker, lets be honest I would prefer the right call because it was checked by the bunker than have the ref being the target because he just did not see something.
These NZ fans are so terrible I hope they never win another match and go the way of Australia because they were never taught how to be gracious in defeat I guess that's what winning too much does to you . They are saying the game is so awful and terrible to watch except if they won by 1 point they would not be having any of those disgusting conversations . Rugby will never be ' good enough ' until they win, as long as they are losing the game is just not right in their eyes and they should be ignored because if we listened to them the changes wouldn't stop , we do not want to let their thugs run rampant injuring players deliberately , we do not want rugby union to turn into rugby league .
Need a tissue bud?
Rugby league is better
has less BS
Union has become a joke
@jdb9388 League is still league, pass take the tackle, pass take the tackle. Union the ball is always alive until the whistle blows. Unfortunately it blows too often in Union.
NZ rugby crowds will be at an all time low next year an absolute ghost town,R.I.P NZ Rugby ⚰ ☠
Everyone in NZ raving about how the AB looked like the better team but they don’t realise that the Bok strategy is to play without the ball. We win by defence
Should have won ?Could have ? Would have ? but didn't....S A won but .....they had The Right Coach, The Right Tactics , and the Right Players
Sa was well on top of the game and relaxed when AB had 14 men , allowing them back into the game.
Everyone complained when tech was not being used. Now everyone complains that it is
May I ask all those rugby gurus who are upset/angry/disappointed with the refereeing decisions made during the 2023 RWC, where they were a year ago ?
Did they agree are criticise Mr. ‘Rassie’ Erasmus’ comments regarding the N. Hemisphere referees ???
Exactly. Now sit down and STFU. 🤫
It was good game allblacks got nothing to be ashamed off it was just key moments and the biggest thing is you had changes. Good to see the coach of the Allblacks going out on a high making the World cup final when everyone had written him off.
I'm worried for the game. Death threats and the crowd booing refs and players alike. Every team think they should have won and the list goes on. I love this sport and we should as supporters be mindful of how we treat each other. The banter is always good and part of the tradition but the superiority complex and arrogance witnessed the last couple of weeks goes beyond me. Look at our players and management for a lesson in humility, this in all probability won us the title for a forth time. We believed we could win, we didn't believe we were better. Let that sink in.
Socialist mindset that has infected Europe. Entitlement reigns.
As a proud South African, I'll say thank you Martin for acknowledging that the Boks are deserved World Champions. Lets not lower ourselves to refs and cards. We all know that applies to all teams. The odds were stacked against South Africa and we delivered, three weekends in a row. We have immense respect for the ABs who will always be the benchmark regarding respect and values. Boks have learned and grown. Rugby is religion in South Africa. We always believe.
The cards and calls ruined the game. Lack of inconsistency. Ruined the whole game.
How many minutes did SA play with 14 men themselves? Not like they played with 15 the whole game
20 minutes 😂
Still should be acknowledged.
Kolisi was penalized (3 points) for exactly the same play as Savea. He was absolutely legal with hands on the ball.
Totally agree Martin. Unfortunately, it's not the first time an AB team, with all due respect, has choked at a WC competition. 2nd place is definitely achievement and an improvement from 3rd place at RWC 2019. E tu Aotearoa, hold your heads up high and be proud of our All Blacks.
A phenomenal 90% defensive effort from the Springboks was the catalyst for the victory therefore, congratulations SA and thank you for one of the best nail-biting finals in rugby history...
They did not choke.The Boks defence was amazing and the TMO was wrong at least once.They were totally incorrect ruling Aarons try out. Don't forget the ABs scored the only try in the game ( arguably 2 tries). The only team to ever score a try against the Boks in a final. That isn't choking is it
@@larrytasker7043 it was definitely your typical CHOKE, it rarely happens but, it does happen unfortunately. Ritchie Mo'unga and Jordie Barrett, two of the best goal kickers, didn't have enough ice in the veins when it was required
NZ won a world cup 9-8 against France with RichieM completely offside in front of the post in the final minute. The SA ref should absolutely have penalized him.
And a scrum that was going backwards and still Joubert wouldn't give a penalty against the ABs
I don't think TMO decisions can go that far back
Some Kiwis are arrogant because they always think they the best but when they don't win they will make a lot of excuses. Get over it.
Some Saffas are arrogant because they think they are the best, but when they don't win they make a lot of excuses. Enjoy your win.
@@Fletcher806saffas win world cups,they don't lose finals it seems.
@@Fletcher806South Africa greatest rugby nation
@@anthonymokootherock1362
Mate, clearly you didn't understand why I wrote my comment and my meaning. I thought you would have read between the lines. It's clear to me now that I need to explain in depth, why I copied your statement and made alterations.
I wrote it because I felt your statement is silly and childish. By doing what I did I was hoping that you would understand that and think again about posting anything remotely of that nature. Because your comment and similar comments, comes across that maybe the SB fans aren't entirely convinced that the victory against the AB's was legit and more of a hollow one, and if the AB's were at full strength the SB may been staring at defeat of a mammoth proportion.
As far your other statement about SB winning WC, no argument here buddy, just not sure if the SB fans can rightly call the SB the greatest team in history, as stated by mark below.
Did the better team on the night won on SA last 3 matches? I always said that it is my hope that refereeing decisions don't determine the outcomes of matches. Rest my case.
The better team won 2023 RWC for the 4th time. If your country was better why didn't you win? Sour grapes make me vinegar! Go Bokke!
This was an epic World cup...extremely well organised by France...brilliant, kudos to the FFR. Onto the tournament itself...This was a final that we have all been waiting for from a SA/NZ perspective. As a spectacle it was not a great match BUT it was final after all. New Zealand gave it their all and for them there was very small margins between winning and losing. South Africa came in to the final after massively hard matches in the group matches AND in the knockout phases. Before the final, because of this we were not given a big chance of winning. Have a look at this; Scotland (huge); Romania (easy); Ireland(lost - huge); Tonga (physical); France (huge 1 point); England (huge 1 point); NZ. Despite the schedule, South Africa withstood everything that was thrown at them and WON..We are deserving winners and I believe that very few nations would be able to do what we did. We played the opponent in front of us every time...we asked for no quarter and gave nothing in return. We are the champions!
Disagree that it wasnt a great spectacle. People that except a running amd passing exhibition need to appreciate the other parts of the game.
Why is no one talking about the horrible Frizell yellow card? That was the worst call of the match. The TMO said it was an accident, so that wasn't a yellow and it wasn't even a penalty.
Congrats SA.
TMO and cards for me are destroying the game.
It’s a contact sport.
And yellow for deliberate knock on is just OTT.
It’s killing the e game.
AB’s did amazing.
I do think cane was unlucky, and no blame there,
But the tmo...
Was interfering.
The Aaron Smith try went through 5 phases before being called back.
Tmo is only allowed to go back 2 phases.
I don't mind the TMO, as long as the right decision is being made.
New Zealand are incredible. As a South African, I wish Sam Kane had only been awarded a yellow. But it is actually just a game.
The officiating was disgraceful. Yes Sth Africa played well, but we all know to our core the officiating and rules are destroying the game.
As a South African I think the officiating was on point. Go Bokke!
Well said. If the shoe was on the other foot. Saffas would be crying foul.
The way the game is being referred is killing the game.
@@jacobjacob4139offcourse you will
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Well then I hoped that you backed Rassie taking on World Rugby regarding the refereeing during the Lions series.
JUst look at the way Kane set up, compared to Kolesi, If you set up like that , you are , going to get red cards as the margin for error is way too small, He is not the only one who tackles like thgis, Owen Farrel and Kriel, for example,do the same thing and run the same risk, Absolutely correct decisions!
Keep on complaining and not giving the Bokke what they deserve, it fuels us South Africans, now the Bokke will make a hat-trick out of this, 3 in a row, just to prove a point. So, by all means, carry on.
Kiwi have. Canes tackle going by book was100% a red. Kolis was a yellow. But Eban was a yellow for lazy running back and a yellow/red for leading with forearm/elbow to head in tackle. If we have to protect attacking players from getting hits to the head. We also have to protect defending tacklers getting hit in the head from elbows to the head. But that's not the reason we lost. The bar i was watching everyone was screaming at tv when Jordie kicked to the corner instead of taking the easy 3 points that would made it 14-12. Everyone knows in tight games you got to take the points. Especially if it puts you in the lead in the final.
Not many people talking about Barrett’s try being from a forward pass.
The ball went backwards after Etzebeth hit it and that is not illegal. You see it all the time except the ball is usually high in the air when players knock it back . Learn the laws
You can’t compare how a back tackles compared to a forward. Back has a shit load more time to get in the right position
We got our Cap's back. Forever!
There's always a what if. Springboks also had 2 yellow cards = 20 minutes.
Regardless if you’re a South African supporter or an all blacks supporter, it’s very disappointing that the referring has played such a role here and it’s what everyone’s talking about. This game will forever be marred by it unfortunately.
Once and for all people must start to grasp the reality that the ref does'n''t make the final call when it's a referral, it's an independent decision from officials designated in the bunker system. Until it is addressed by world rugby people should zip it, specially former players.
If NZ won, Barnes would have been a good referee and the team brilliant
Ireland are going to have to find some saffas and NZs to put in the team help them get further. 😅
Was another team playing
I don’t believe sam canes so called decision was even a decision knowing what’s at stake. It’s a reflex and most of these head clashes are happening in the forwards when there’s no time to think but only time to react. Ok we do need to protect the players. But at the same time I think we all want 15 on 15. I’m pretty sure that’s what the punter wants and if they don’t get it they start to get frustrated and start to follow other sports.
Sorry to say but Sam also high tackeled Jessy early in the game and got away with it!Go look The AB got two penalties and dicided to go for touch Wrong choice?
Arrogance cost the ABs. They had opportunities to take shots at goal and win. They didn’t. They went for the corner and didn’t take the points. It’s a final. Take the points always. Arrogance.
Frizelle #professional faul play ▶️ didn't work!
If we had to pick anyone to favour other than BOKS it would be the AB's.
Rugby is the beautiful game.
So sad that a red card gets so much attention when Wayne Barnes has taken so much emotional abuse .
Normally such great commentary from you marty. Such a shame you decide to spend more time talking about the ref, then the incredible achievement the Springboks have achieved.
You have to stop obsessing about the old game. This is not 1980 or 2000 its 2023. This is what defines international World Cup test rugby. If you don’t like it Martin - go watch League and leave Union alone. You cannot force everyone to play the way the All Blacks do. Go watch Portugal, they play a whole different style to SA, NZ and England. Everyone outside NZ is sick and tired of the ‘Expansive Game’ bull dust. So childish
You NZ supports that criticise the Boks game but we won four World Cups using the same game plan so ya we are here now
ABs brought the intensity and the grit, sadly not good enough. The Razr era will define the next AB generation, the North have caught up and can now compete with the SH giants...Hard luck but ABs will be back. Well done to SA, they say defences win matches-and the attack by how much. NZ beat Ireland on the basis of a phenomenal def performance, 14 man vs the Boks was an impossible task that the Men in Black almost won.
AB'S brought nothing in the first 40 but cards and penalties.
...the last 4 years have been a horror stories and one reasonable game against the Irish (who were always going to choke anyway) along with a bunch of Sevens-style easy wins, does not forgive what NZ Rugby and their incompetent coach have put both the outstanding players and the fans through. The board needs to be down the road with the coach, a new board with a winning coach will start the rebuild back to the All Black's once high standards of excellence and leadership in international rugby innovation they were previously known and feared for. Runner-up should never be good enough, not ever !
Excellent comment. particularly the last lines.@@cspace1234nz
@@Marius_vanderLubbeboks earned only 3 of their points. They created nothing for 80minutes
I never expected them to get past the quarter final. I was just so pleased they beat Ireland. Cane is an idiot and I'm glad he and foster are gone. Four more years.
Cane went from zero to hero in the Ireland game and then back to zero again in the final. He is finished.
He was never my hero. I was one of the few that refused to buy the bullshit. All these so called fans chopping and changing between disliking him and loving him, it was a joke to watch. And now the silly fool has cost us the final. Good riddance to him and foster. And I'm glad I stuck to my opinion.@@CouncilofOneElectronic
I can say in all honesty even if the abs scored that penalty...sa would have won we have it in our DNA
South Africa were always going to win this RWC, Ireland were always going to choke, France will never win a RWC, England are just England. Likewise, the All Blacks were never going to win under the incompetent coach and it was highly predictable that their final would be defined by cards. NZ Rugby has a lot to answer for, it has been a horror nightmare 4 years and we can only look forward to a proper coach, a winning coach, rebuilding the once mighty All Blacks who were previously the innovators of world rugby and were feared for their once high standards of excellence, something this clown coach couldn't possibly know anything about. Good riddance and I think a lot of Kiwis might start watching the rugby again, myself included. Congratulations South Africa, well done, deserved winners.
I predict there will be two referees on the field before long, looking at both sides of scrums, rucks and mauls, line outs and anything else. The game will go the way of American football and the beauty of free running rugby will be lost forever
Cane a red card and Kolisi a yellow card. No complaints from me. Frizzell took the Bok hooker out of the game with foul play. So it evens up. The ABs had their chances to win and didn't take them so good on the Boks.
Not only does one need to tackle correctly, we must also watch how we fall.😂. Give this chap leotards!😂😂
@@nepiahemopo1702 Frizzel had Bongi around the neck for a roll and then fell on his knee. Players are not supposed to go off their feet in a ruck, it's an illegal clean out to roll a player round the neck using your own body weight with a deliberate fall. Reckless and dangerous foul play. Could have been a red card in my opinion.
Frizel was lucky.@@edwardmurray2139
Frizell illegally injured a player out of the game. I don't hear many ABs fans and critics mentioning this.@@nepiahemopo1702