What makes this scene even more heartbreaking was that things were gonna change after this. Shigaraki’s mom and grandparents finally stood up to his dad. They were gonna start protecting him. We got a glimpse of what could have been before it was destroyed.
The problem is that they waited too long before reacting. They should have nipped this tragedy in the bud instead of waiting until the end before doing something.
@@Agent-57 But that didn't give him the right to do certain things. In fact, Nao, when she loses her patience with him, also berates him for the fact that they have not been a happy family because of him.
@@lpallad1 It does, its called discipline. Let me guess you are from America where shouting at your kid means Abuse. Well if yes then you ain't seen shit.
@@lpallad1 The people in the comment section don't know jackshit about discipline and parenting. Kotaro only hit Tenko once in his life and he hit him for a reason. He snuck into his study room and took the photo of his deceased mother. Even I would be pissed if someone did that. And he was repressing Tenko because he didn't want to lose his son. Tenko seemed quirkless since his quirk came late. Unlike Deku's mom he didn't support Tenko because he knows what happens to Heroes. He has already lost his family once.
@PedroOrtega1993 No. Dabi, despite Endeavor's sins, was crazy from before. It's not his father's fault that he turns every idea of him into a crazy, self-destructive obsession. No one influenced and corrupted Dabi. He did it all by himself.
@@lpallad1no, ENDEAVOR influenced Toya. Toya thought that to be worthy and loved by his father, he had to beat All Might with his flames. Dabi became a villain by himself, but quit acting like it wasnt Endeavor’s fault when Endeavor himself takes responsibility for it
@@dontbother9473 still haven't answer my question Yes, in some occasions, hugging can protect someone (stabbing, gunshot, etc) This occasion wasn't one of them
I heard a theory that the reason tomura itches is because his quirk makes it so he naturally has very little moisture. then he decays stuff and sucks the moisture out of it untill it turns to dust, which gives him moisture back and relieves his itching
@@thefluffyaj4119 Idk tbh, that's honestly what I assumed, as it makes a lot of sense. Tenko was 5 when his quirk manifested in the way we see now, but that's a year after most kids discover their quirk. And the way his family reacted to his "allergies" gives me the idea that it'd been happening for enough time for them to consult multiple doctors but he wasn't born with them. He only ever itched at home, which is where emotions ran high, and we see that his quirk manifestation was ultimately triggered by a strong sense of hatred. We only really see his scratching when he's agitated, and knowing Shiga that's when he wants to use his quirk the most.
You can't deny Tenko's dad kinda had this coming. I get he felt hurted after Nana abandoned him to fight AFO but he shouldn't have let his frustration out on his kid. He basically dug his own grave.
@@dejonaiburton5284”realised it”? Only when the damage had long since been done. Seriously this f*cker reminds me way too much of Endeavour, the only difference being his family are stronger despite him, he failed to break them and they will be happier once he’s dead. Just a shame the poor dog and sister had to die for Shigaraki to get rid of his sh-thead father 😒😒😒
@@kidprime6863 Even if they helped him it that wouldn't have changed a single thing. His alter would still have appeared out of nowhere. And this kid was fundamentally broken since in the manga he says he was kinda aware of what was going this night on but still intentionally killed them all out of pure hatred. That's not a normal kid's behavior, some people are just like that : born to destroy
@@JoJoboiWav I hear ya. But that doesn't excuse the fact that they did nothing but stand by and watch out of fear of getting beaten themselves. It's that kind of inaction and cowardice that can create villains.
"I'm leaving you so that you can live a life without the danger of getting killed" "Live life and become an asshole who can't get over his issues, got it"
@@animezilla4486 well atleast he didnt hit his son out of anger instead he was stressed by the fact he hept on getting burnt and when he died his brain just died and went full out on todoroki
@@hiimjoe6768 yeah but everytime Dabi snuck out the house to practice his quirk Endeavor blame his wife even start hitting her. At the beginning it was revealed the only reason Endeavor wanted a child was to surpass all might which was pretty messed up
This is not a choice. That quirk is a genocidal weapon, and he has to die. Sadly is not his fault, but theres no redemption for him. Even if he had been "good", he would not have been allowed to live a normal life, or a heroic one. They would have him held, guarded until he made a mistake. His quirk is like having a walking atomic bomb living next door.
i dont think anything could convey the full amazing horror of the manga chapters. however, the anime did it as best they could, and didnt censor it much
Same! I felt so bad for him! At least the mom still loved him and wanted to help him after what she witnessed, but it was so devastating to see them all die! That would traumatize anyone, especially a 5 year old. For me the worst part was the dog’s death and how much I related to Tenko. I lived in an abusive household for years and when I was eleven, I remember looking at the people who were passive and did nothing to stop the abusive and thinking those same words, “I hate them all.” For me, that was the most disturbing part of the episode. Even though I didn’t become a mess murderer, it’s still disturbing!
This flashback was so devastating and amazingly done! His sister was really pretty and she looked so much like Nana! Even though she was a snitch who betrayed him, its still a shame the brother/sister superhero team never happened! I think besides Tenko, the mom suffered the most because she was married to an abuser, watched him hurt her son, tried to stop him, but couldn’t, wasn’t able to stop her son’s suffering, then she watched her daughter die, then was murdered by her own son. It’s so tragic because this episode made his desire to be a hero so similar to Deku, that it’s easy to imagine an alternate timeline where he became a hero and didn’t kill his family. The dad did try to kill him after what he did (even though it was clearly an accident since he was 5, and the kid was clearly traumatized), but the mom, to her credit, seemed like she wanted to help Tenko when she reached out to him, even after what she witnessed. The worst part was the dog’s death. No one can change my mind. For me, the most disturbing part was the fact that I related to Tenko when he said he hated them all. I lived in an abusive household for years and was surrounded by people who were passive like his mom and grandparents and I remember thinking to myself on one of the worst nights that I hated everyone in my family. The fact that I related to Tenko so much is what scares me the most.
Of course it didn’t happen, she was a child and in a ab4s1v3 household, she obviously wouldn’t have kept it a secret if she could have possibly been in danger.
She wasn't a snitch tbh, just naive. But Tenko didn't realize that, he just assumed everyone hated him thus prompted Tenko to develop hatred towards his family, especially his dad.
I love scenes like this where misunderstandings and hurt feelings add up and emotions boil over to create a sudden accidental tragedy. Happens in real life too but usually with weapons
@@ramthiangachhangte3594With her was with a Fake Mask and then the knife [PD: The concept that she was always wearing a fake mask just to hide her true self](Which it wasn't a good or bad thing)
Seriously, Shigaraki's origin story is so incredibly sad. And then to find out about the hands he wears....OMG. I was so devastated and sad for him on so many levels. And then to be taught to give in to his hatred and anger and to see what he is now....man. He is a great villain, but this back story.....so so sad.
As Master Oogway said “One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it.” Nana tried to save her son by giving him up, but she inadvertently turned him into a cruel person and in turn created a broken monster.
@Pedro Ortega It's not Nana's fault. Kotaro is the only one to blame. He could hate his mother but still live a happy life. But instead he chose to wallow in hate and allow that hate to taint every aspect of his life.
@@lpallad1 Well i mean Kotaro SHOULDNT have went down such a dark path but being abandoned by ur parent at such a young age and seeing them save strangers and couldn't even raise u is not a good look. Hes clearly fucked in the head and Nana is a big reason why. Ofc she had her circumstances but even if her reasoning is off good intentions, it was still a cruel act. Evil is sometimes built off good intentions
@@wymg4480 But Kotaro understands perfectly well that his mother loved him and left him alone to protect him. But he also complained about this. Nana's only fault is that she overestimated her son.
@@lpallad1 Overestimated her son? the boy was like 10. throwing ur child away to foster care and getting rid of any relation to them no matter the circumstances will leave them with an emotional scar. No matter how mcuh she tells him "i love u" it isnt enough to fill that hole. Im not saying she made a bad move since it was for the good of her family. But the ending result was inevitable. Kotaro was left with the thought that his own mother chose to save strangers over taking care of him. Its similar to the train track psychology question. Imagine kotaro being on one end of the tracks and then a bunch of innocent civilians on the other. In Kotaros mind, his mother sacrificed him, her own son and closest kin, to save the many. Obviously from a collective and objective perspective she made the correct choice. She succeded as a hero. But she failed as a mother. And now he failed as a father that pushed shigaraki to his breaking point.
What is so sad is that the most dangerous villains in MHA are the ones who were abused by the people who were supposed to protect them and love the most (Shigaraki and Dabi)
Ok so my guy Kotaro is one of the biggest hypocrites I ever saw. He says that heroes are bad because in order to save strangers then they have to hurt their families…but he goes and does the same thing to his own family?! I’m sorry, but what the HELL do you call that?!?
I read somewhere that Shigaraki was quirkless and AFO is the one who gave him the quirk because he wanted to destroy the legacy of All might's predecessor. It's in the manga or smth
@@AthenabadassinthearenaMore precisely AFO After birth Tenko stole his quirk that allowed him to create and destroy (much like Chisaki) and then gave him back his quirk that only allowed him to destroy
I don't feel bad for Kotaro. I understand why he turned out this way and there is a small part of me that feels a little sympathy, especially if he saw Nana continuing her job as a hero after leaving him, but he chose to abuse Tenko and people like him are the worst. I think he's well written but I'll never like him as a person.
Not talkinf anout heroes equals abuse? The kid had every chance to be obedient eat his dinners play with his non hero toys but nah let's murder the whole fam instead completely unjustly. State of society today to excuse murder over a tiny amount of hardship his life was breezy mf.
I was the happiest seeing him get turned to mush, no sympathy for abussive behavior, especially towards family. Yes, he lived a difficult life, and yet he learned nothing of it. Instead of giving his family the life he wished he had, he gave them a life full of trauma. So no, Kotaro had it coming.
@@DafreshcutKotaro did everything he did to his family because deep inside, he was no true man at all. Deep inside, he truly was an immature, selfish, and possessive little kid who chose not to grow up and was simply throwing a temper tantrum all because he didn’t get what he wanted just like any other spoiled-rotten little brat would. Also now that I think about it since you brought this up, it makes me wonder how many other lives Kotaro has ruined since he’s a businessman from what I know. How many innocent people besides his own family has he potentially targeted and has made to be miserable and would he continue to do the same to even more people if he were still alive?
The anime unfortunately cut a possible future reveal from the manga. In the chapter of this flashback, we opened with Tenko's mom apologizing to a mystery man who brought Tenko home. We don't see his face, but his physique suspiciously resembles AFO which makes it almost certain that AFO gave Decay to Tenko to jumpstart the tragedy and the prick might have had a hand in nobody trying to check on the family despite the Shimura house becoming a crater and no hero coming to check on Tenko in a busy street. While it doesn't change the facts that Kotarou was a shit dad and the hero society is heavily flawed, AFO also took away the chance of little Tenko getting a better life as his mom was starting to put her feet down and ready to divorce his father. Something that Shouto's mom couldn't do after four children and being pushed to her limits. There was a chance! Shimura Tenko could have had a more well adjusted childhood. He could have become a hero with his sister. Maybe Kotaro could have had gotten his act together too. But AFO is petty enough that he would twist Nana's family to besmirch her lineage as revenge.
The bad part is kotaro was realizing he was going too far and went outside to apologize to tenko,if afo didn't intervene here then things would have been so different
It’s a lesson to those who would be passive and not try to stop abuse when they see it. Sadly, they are many people who are aware of abusive situations and don’t do anything to stop it.
@@briannalee1998 What do you expect? It’s a ab4s1v3 household, the f4th3r was someone whom was considered the leader of the household, of course the literal child and m0th3r wouldn’t do anything, that’s frightening to witness your own h4sb4nd/f4th3r do such a thing. The s1st3r(not sure if that’s a tr//eR)was a realistic child. (Censored for tr//eR purposes.)
@@arandomladywithabadsleepsc1748 uhm I don’t think saying father or sister would trigger much deep memories with such overwhelming emotions... but ty for at least saving the sensitive. (Sorry I don’t speak English)
Ok. His power came out due to emotions. But even with his dad he didnt want to kill him. He instinctively protected himself the moment his dad hit him with a cane. He didnt even try to kill the sis he thought it was another person’s attack not his😭that’s sad af...
Yeah in real life sons are more likely to resemble their fathers as the Y chromosome stays near identical. It takes a number of generational jumps and cellular division before things get dramatically different. X chromosomes tend to mutate quicker on the other hand.
I’ll be honest, Tomura wasn’t wrong when he thought his family should’ve stepped in and stopped the abuse (that he received from his father). Instead of just standing by, watching it happen and making excuses for his father. If they all, done the right thing by helping and stopping the abuse, most likely Tomura would never have become a villain.
Ya know, whoever did the music in this scene is godsend. It’s a masterpiece. You can easily understand the sentiments they’re trying to deliver, I could feel the dizzying sensation as Shigaraki willingly killed his dad and lost his mind. 😢😢😢
Shigaraki's father is such a pathetic man. He may have been a kid at that time but it should have been obvious that his mother was giving him away to protect from the horrible people she is fighting against that comes with the profession of a hero. She even left a note explaining her reason and showing that she still loved him for heaven's sake, but it seems he never had the mind to actually read it! Despite all those years he has never grown or moved on from it and instead created a household where his family are under his 'rules' and oppression, which is probably why shigaraki's family never stood up against his father, for they too feared him. And instead of trying to talk to his son and show him why he believes that heroes are monsters and is a path of suffering, instead he beat him and leaves him outside to rot despite his allergies. Even when he is inside his allergies go crazy around his father. His father has embedded so much fear within him that he is under a lot of stress for just being within his presence. Shigaraki's father deserved what was coming to him, he practically dug his own graves and refused to see the error of his ways and take account for his mistakes. Shigaraki's family did failed him for never really being there for him, but they were under fear and oppression as well, if things were different, they will probably be there for him ever more. They were even starting to finally stand up for him, but it took so long for them to build the courage, and it was far too late.
@@luis1237 Yeah, an act she should of done a long time ago, but she might've probably been psychologically abused by her husband due to the fear, oppression, and rules that he has established in his household and how aggressive he is to his whole family. Her husband even refuses to listen to her.
What in the actual heck are you on about? Are you for real? Kotaro clearly wasn't some psychopath. He clearly loved his family but let the trauma get to him. Yelling at your kid after they do something they were specifically told not to do is NORMAL. Slapping him was when he went too far, but he obviously felt regret right away and was willing to apologize. It was clearly a one time thing that had not happened previously. His biggest crime was literally being a overally strict and slapping his kid the one time he let his trauma get the best of him. I can't fanthom how out of touch you must be to think he's had it coming. He definitely didn't deserve having his entire family and himself murdered by his youngest son christ.
@@VG_164 "Scolding" your child is normal, but from what I have heard, the way a parent approaches or delivers said scolding defines who they are as a parent and how they affect the well-being of their own children and family. It is clearly hinted in several scenes that Kotaro has punished Shigaraki on several occasions, and each scene shows how much he has been traumatizing his own son, as evident where his allergies grow ever worse and seemingly "flare up" the moment Kotaro slapped him. Shigarki himself said "I Itch when I'm at home" in one scene, if his allergies are indeed caused by stress, then it is evident that Kotaro's established household was a stressful environment for his own son. It is even hinted that Kotaro himself has never properly explained why he doesn't want his son nor his own family to talk about or even associate with heroes at all. Kotaro believed that these punishments were going to be how he will teach his son to reject heroes, and because of this, Shigaraki doesn't know the true reason why his own father has been hurting him, to the point of believing that his own father hates him. In my point of view, this demonstrated how Kotaro's trauma practically defined him, for who he was as a person to his own family and as a father. I saw a household built upon rules, oppression, and fear, that clearly wasn't a positive environment nor the "Happy Family" that Kotaro desired, as stated by his own wife. In that very scene where Kotaro slapped his own son, his entire family watched and were too scared to do anything, his own wife begged him to stop, his own daughter pinning the blame on her brother out of fear of being punished while crying and clinging to her mother. If that wasn't evident of a abusive household run by controlling sociopath who believed what he is doing right for his family without considering how it will affect them? Then what is! Of course, Kotaro did felt regret after hitting his own son, but we were never shown any regret from him when he emotionally traumatized his own son all those previous times he punished him. The very moment Kotaro said "It would've been better if you just hated me", after reading the letter left by her mom, he lost whatever sympathy I had left for him. At that moment, he was nothing but a selfish sociopath in my eyes, that couldn't let go of the past and was willing to harm the very family he desired so he wouldn't have to face it again. If that was the author's intention to sympathize with Shigaraki as a character, then he succeeded, to the point that some would've almost cheered for him when he finally destroyed the very man that was supposed to be his father, yet striped his innocence away and unleashed the spark of hatred that would turn into an inferno, and engulf all of society. Which is what makes it ever more tragic when Shigaraki slaughtered his entire family, even his own mother that tried to reach him. It almost makes you think of what could've been.
Kotaru was truly the worst father that he abused his own son just from the word "Hero"... he didn't just indirectly doomed The whole Hero Society, but his son became the feared Villain because of him. How can Kotaru himself wanted a happy family but he clearly was blinded by unbridle hate towards Heroes including his own mother Nana... truly a horrible father he was but he never realize that he went too far just to proved his point towards Heroes.
Endeavour can at the very least admit that what he did was wrong, but this asshole refused to admit it’s his fault that Tenko went from a sweet and caring boy to a villain
Does anyone else think that Dr. Ojako intentionally gave Tomura/Tenko the Decay quirk so that he would accidentally kill his family in order to drive him closer to All for One? Otherwise it'd be a very strange coincidence for Tomura to be born with a very destructive quirk that would allow for One for All to manipulate him into joining his side
Spoilers AFO was Kotaro's "family friend" and pretty much orchestrated whole thing. He recommended Kotaro to have another kid because his daughter was already too far to twist to the dark side. AFO took Tenko's original quirk factor before it could manifest. There was 1 panel in the manga where Old man in a suit walked Tenko home which was not included in the anime. It was important scene because in that moment when AFO held Tenko's hand, he gave "quirk which originally had properties to dismantle and reassemble material, and took away reassemble factor" and you get where this is going
If you had a terrible past where your mom left you for doing the right thing, don't take it out on someone who didn't deserve to be treated that way. I understand that his dad was angry that his mom left him to save him but there is no need to take it out on your own son. In the end that anger and hatred ended up turning his son into a villain!
Already. Kotaro could be happy even without forgiving his mother. He, on the other hand, hates all heroes in general because he condemns everyone for the sins of one. And in the end he takes out that hatred on those who have nothing to do with it. So what he did is unjustifiable in every sense.
As a kid you want to be the hero is an adult you understand the Villan tomura shigaraki is so relatable in real life situations most of us want to harm people but are reframed by sanity
Honestly shigarakis backstory made me read the manga back then. They didnt need to go this hard with a child that gets hit at home....but they did. Showed me that this is not just another fights over the top and flashy as fuck shonen manga, but the story actually has debt and shows the Part of reality that gets blended out in these types of stories --> fight scenes are cool < violence actually isn't.
He took his son's dream so seriously and personally. I mean he is just a child, his dream prospects can still change. I don't remember how many times my dream changes when I was a child. Also I feel like his quirk was given to him by AFO.
This scene should also be a reminder to those who abuse their kids. Even if you harm them, their bodies will heal, but their minds, forever tarnished to the point they will kill you. Even if you're prepared, you'll never be prepared for when they end you, and you'll have no one to blame but yourselves.
It was the father's own fault that Tenko became a Villain all because of his own hate towards heroes like his mother Nana, Kotaru had a family he wanted but instead letting hate clouded his own safety linked out to All for One... what's worse Kotaru indirectly cause his son into Villainy but in fact he acted like a villain himself but he never realize it or seeing the way he acted until he was murdered by his own son.
Or what Kota would have been if Midoriya didn't save him ← that is only if Muscular attacked. If Muscular doesn't attack. Then that was how Kota would have been if his hatred continued to grow.
You want to know one of the most common factors in serial killers? Its that they were abused as children. Most people arent born bad but are shaped by the cruelities of life. Some push through others break and lash out the only way they know how.
When i read this in the manga seeing his mother not care in how much pain she is or the fact she will die broke my heart she saw the pain in her son’s eyes and still dove into death
This is absolutely spectacular, I’m a fan of MHA, and have been since 2019, and season 5 impressed me, the first part was generally slow and there as no new antagonist introduced or prior antagonist character developments, but from episode 18-25 the story exceeded my expectations, this father may seem horrible, but genuinely speaking I understand why he forced his son to quit his dreams, because his father experienced a harsh reality to what a hero actually is, and doesn’t want his son to experience the same fate and be a man that leaves his family, and I just disagreed with the abuse, but the abuse was more of a sense of scolding, until His father actually hit him with a stick in self defense but that’s because he saw his loved ones die from his sons hands.
The show was honestly average until this backstory Arc at the end of s5 and it got even better from s6 right off the bat until the finale. It’s now honestly one of my fav shows. This backstory is one of the best you’ll see in any media
No however. Kotaro didn't want to protect his son. He simply hates heroes because he is an immature selfish person who condemns everyone for the sins of a few, and in fact instead of talking about the fact that his mother, due to her work as a hero, had had to make difficult and painful choices that led to her death, he imposed himself on his family with hatred, violence, and fear, insulting the memory of his mother. Kotaro constantly wallows in hatred and takes it out on those in his sights every chance he gets. He only knew how to complain about what he didn't have instead of appreciating what he did have. And that's because he's a selfish coward who doesn't understand that you can't have everything in life.
@@forme7078 Boruto hated for a time his dad for being busy and at work all time. This is exactly the same thing here because Kotaro don’t want Tenko to go like his mother being busy and who didn’t give attention to her dear people.
In my opinion, i think everyone in shigaraki family all have their own mistakes. First, Nana abandoned Kotaro to protect him from the AFO, causing Kotaro to grow up and become a family father who doesn't listen to others and is always harsh with his own children (beating Shigaraki while saying that the hero would do hurt your family). Kotaro does not appreciate his happy life (a good wife, 2 good children, perfect parents-in-law) but instead only focuses on what he does not have. But if asked whether he deserved to be killed or not, my answer would be 50/50 (not worthy of being killed because he regretted beating shigaraki, and worthy of being killed because he was beat Shigaraki with an iron rod). Shigaraki's mother and his grandparents were only wrong because they did not stand up strongly and always spoke up for Kotaro even though they knew he was wrong (but in my opinion this is just a small mistake and it can be overlooked). Shigaraki's sister was also wrong because she confessed that Shigaraki saw Nana's photo even though they promised to become heroes together (this isn't even considered a mistake because she was so young). As for Shigaraki, he is a child with psychological problems (as evidenced by the constant scratching of his eyes), he was restrained by his father for a long time (although it was not physically abusive, it is still psychological abuse). Things got worse when Shigaraki's father beat him because of his childhood obsession (it was even shown that Shigaraki's father was someone who refused to grow up to become a father). ). If Shigaraki was just a normal child, everything would be fine, the father just needs to apologize and not do it again, but Shigaraki has extremely dangerous abilities, he accidentally killed his dog, his sister and his mother and grandparents unintentionally, and while his mother ran towards him despite the fact that she had seen Shigaraki accidentally kill her daughter and that she herself would die, Then his father beat him with an iron rod, causing Shigaraki emotions to explode. This is a tragedy of a family, no one is completely innocent, although the fault lies mostly with the father Kotaro (because he is a coward who does not know how to appreciate what he has, existing, selfish and only thinking about himself, brutally disregarding his wife and children, beating his children just because of his past). As for Shigaraki, he was initially innocent, but just because he had such a terrifying ability and mental instability, the shock of personally killing his own relatives, he needed someone to blame and Kotaro was the one. Ironically that Nana left her child to protect him from the AFO but created something even more terrible later.
@@ChaldeaWarmaster If this quirk didn't exist he wouldn't have slaughered his whole family and things wouldn't have changed that's because of his quirk
Yeah, I've got such feels to all members of League if Villains. Most of them are victims of valid society system, kids whose didn't get proper help before they're reach their limit.
Society may bring people down, but the final decision at the climax of that one bad day is up to the victim. Do they hold themselves together or do they inflict their pain onto others? In the end they all made their choice to become criminals and they’ve all dug themselves too deep for redemption. The only justice then is prison without parole.
So Tenko's quirk is basically the opposite of Eri's. He speeds up living organism's aging process to a level that the organism he touches turns to ash/dust (but it doesn't seem to affect bodily liquids, only tissue) ..while Eri turns the aging/development process backwards even up to a point where the organism stops existing. If Shigaraki and Eri had a child, what would his/her quirk be, I wonder? One hand (one side of body) destroys by super-speeding aging while the other one restores an organism to earlier state? That would be wild...
@@absolutemadlad5662 YES BUT TIME FLOWS FORWARD IN MHA AND CHARACTERS AGE, SO one day Eri will be young woman and not 7yo child. My point was that IF Shigaraki's body and mind was rewinded (by Eri, obviously ...heh) to the age before his quirk activated and he was mentally trained to understand and bare the burden of quirk that decomposes organic matter, he could one day marry Eri and their kid would have REALLY INTERESTING QUIRK. Like mini version of the Scar guy from "Fullmetal Alchemist" but without scars and tattoos :-D
@@StarlingKnight something meaningless like that doesn’t need to happen outta nowhere because of mere curiosity isn’t necessary though. We can fantasise what it’d be like if people with such quirks have a child and what the child’s quirk will be like, maybe leave these two alone haha
Me: *Before* "So, this guy was just naturally insane?" Me: *After backstory* "OK, so the DAD drove Shigaraki insane then... makes sense, since this would distort your perception of what a hero and villain is"
@@Athenabadassinthearena Hello? They literally turned a blind eye on a wandering lost child when he needed a helping hand the most and deceived him with sweet lies, all because of his appearance (oh no he looks bloody and messed up let's ignore and leave a 5 years old child alone in the middle of the streets). And that's not all, they even blatantly lied to him by saying eventually someone will, police will, a hero will save him while pushing away their basic responsibilities to help someone in need of saving thanks to their complacency and self interestedness, in the end, not a single hero was there to save him, but ironically the worst big bad of all time reached out to him of all people. Don't you see the issue here? Why are you oversimplifying his backstory and narrowing down to JUST his family when it's the combination and culmination of everything?
@@leeleelee4758 Yeah. Everyone abandoned him. They said the police or heroes would come to save him, but it doesn't change that they could have called them instead of assuming they'd figure it out on their own.
This was the first time in a long time I straight up bawled over an anime. As a dog lover, the part with the dog broke me. My mother (who's a huge anime junkie) asked if I were okay, and told her that I caught up and watched the Shigaraki flashback episode. She immediately understood why my eyes were red, hehe.
Endeavor was just as bad. Shigaraki's problem was that no one could understand his quirk and he had no guidance. That's why he feel such hate towards the society, because they never helped him even though it was not his fault he couldn't control his quirk. Endeavor was a Hero, that's why he raised Todoroki to be a good person to the society, even though he was also a violent parent. Shoto wouldn't become a villian because society always supported his ideals and his powers were not seen as a curse. Meanwhile Tenko was abandoned by society after this because his quirk was dangerous and because no one tried to save him.
@@TheLatiosnlatias02 No however. Shoto was emotionally strong, and his childhood was not as terrible as Shigaraki's, because Shoto was not abused out of cruelty or hatred, but only as part of training. And even if he has real problems, it doesn't change that only Dabi became a criminal, but he was already crazy before that. Endeavor's other children also grew up with a normal mentality. Tenko, on the other hand, was a sweet and sensitive child, and therefore for this reason he was emotionally vulnerable to his father's cruelty. And her sister was a liar and a coward, because she lied to her father about her real intentions, and she also lied to him to save herself from what he would have done with her if she had known that she was involved too. So the whole family was oppressed and subjugated by Kotaro. However, this was not the case for Endeavor. None of them were that lax about what he did.
@@Uknown76 no one does as a kid, especially when it manifests. It didn’t help that emotions can affect quirks and shigaraki was surrounded by nothing but contempt and fear
sometimes a villain didn't want to become one, they never do, they were driven and forced to be one, by someone or something, they never wanted to be one...
NOOOO too sad. He deserved better. I mean from a small age he was groomed, brainwashed and manipulated to hating on the world and forced to wear the limbs of his dead family. It’s too much to blame him at this point. Deku is right it would be wrong to kill him
It's impressive how Tenko turned into such a monster, and he has no chance of changing his mind, he's going to keep going until everyone is dead Congratulations Kotaro, you doomed us all
As a shigaraki fan, no. He is long gone and beyond saving. He’s the best villain of the last decade in anime, but he’s killed far too many as an adult. I would love to see him win at the end but we know in shonen and most media they never do
@@Oakland510 But it doesn't change that even if he has wrong, the reasons that led him to do what he did are understandable. He wants to destroy everything because he only sees the worst in everything and everyone and he thinks that no one deserves to live or exist.
I hate to say this, but while Kotaro shoulders a great burden of Tenko losing his mind, Nana is also guilty in part. Leaving her son in foster care to protect him is absolutely ridiculous, sure it may have been with good intent, but you have to imagine how Kotaro would have felt being abandoned by his mother (also a note explaining her actions would mean jack shit to him since he probably thought she could be lying). There’s a saying and it goes “the pathway to hell is paved with good intentions”
But All For One had already murdered Nana Shimura's husband. If Kotaro had stayed with Nana, it would have been that much easier for All For One to track him down and kill him, too.
Even though she left him that note later they show that despite this she didn't leave without saying goodbye to him in person. And Kotaro KNOWS that the words in that note were sincere. And that shows how rotten he is. By stating that he would have preferred her to hate him, he shows that knowing that her mother loved him despite everything, and that she had gone against her will, for him, instead of being a consolation, is only a reason for further hatred. So the problem is entirely with him, not with his mother.
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What makes this scene even more heartbreaking was that things were gonna change after this. Shigaraki’s mom and grandparents finally stood up to his dad. They were gonna start protecting him. We got a glimpse of what could have been before it was destroyed.
The problem is that they waited too long before reacting. They should have nipped this tragedy in the bud instead of waiting until the end before doing something.
@@lpallad1 You know Kotaro is the head of the family and the one who brings resources.
@@Agent-57 But that didn't give him the right to do certain things. In fact, Nao, when she loses her patience with him, also berates him for the fact that they have not been a happy family because of him.
@@lpallad1 It does, its called discipline. Let me guess you are from America where shouting at your kid means Abuse. Well if yes then you ain't seen shit.
@@lpallad1 The people in the comment section don't know jackshit about discipline and parenting.
Kotaro only hit Tenko once in his life and he hit him for a reason. He snuck into his study room and took the photo of his deceased mother. Even I would be pissed if someone did that. And he was repressing Tenko because he didn't want to lose his son. Tenko seemed quirkless since his quirk came late. Unlike Deku's mom he didn't support Tenko because he knows what happens to Heroes. He has already lost his family once.
Kotaro saying "Heroes will hurt their families" while raising a hand on his son IS ON ANOTHER LEVEL OF HYPOCRISY.
Yeah that's the point.
@PedroOrtega1993fr
@PedroOrtega1993 if anything it’s just a bad parents/family member. That can spawn evil
@PedroOrtega1993 No. Dabi, despite Endeavor's sins, was crazy from before. It's not his father's fault that he turns every idea of him into a crazy, self-destructive obsession. No one influenced and corrupted Dabi. He did it all by himself.
@@lpallad1no, ENDEAVOR influenced Toya. Toya thought that to be worthy and loved by his father, he had to beat All Might with his flames. Dabi became a villain by himself, but quit acting like it wasnt Endeavor’s fault when Endeavor himself takes responsibility for it
What a great mother, even though she knows she'll be dead, she still protected and wanted to hug her child. I feel bad for Shigaraki
How did she protect him ? Lol
She didn't do shit xd
@FireDragon we are not talking about hugging, we are talking about protecting him
@@rMjojo
You lack basic common sense lol
@@dontbother9473 still haven't answer my question
Yes, in some occasions, hugging can protect someone (stabbing, gunshot, etc)
This occasion wasn't one of them
@@rMjojo ur dumb as fuck, are u a fking orphan?
"You cant play hero!"
Tenko: *"Then ill play villian"*
Kotaro: "Wait, that doesn't what I mean!"
BRRRUUUUUUHHH 💀💀🤣🤣
No truer words
Slide 12 😭
This comment aged now like milk.
I heard a theory that the reason tomura itches is because his quirk makes it so he naturally has very little moisture. then he decays stuff and sucks the moisture out of it untill it turns to dust, which gives him moisture back and relieves his itching
I don't think that's a theory, I think that's canon
@@ComettheNightFury oh, where is it confirmed?
@@thefluffyaj4119 Idk tbh, that's honestly what I assumed, as it makes a lot of sense. Tenko was 5 when his quirk manifested in the way we see now, but that's a year after most kids discover their quirk. And the way his family reacted to his "allergies" gives me the idea that it'd been happening for enough time for them to consult multiple doctors but he wasn't born with them. He only ever itched at home, which is where emotions ran high, and we see that his quirk manifestation was ultimately triggered by a strong sense of hatred. We only really see his scratching when he's agitated, and knowing Shiga that's when he wants to use his quirk the most.
You might be onto something...after all quirks have a a scientific explanation
@@Mrempoleon100 Like how Bakugo doesnt just make explosions, he has nitroglycerin sweat that he can detonate on command
You can't deny Tenko's dad kinda had this coming. I get he felt hurted after Nana abandoned him to fight AFO but he shouldn't have let his frustration out on his kid. He basically dug his own grave.
The sad part is after this even he realised he went too far, but it was too late.
Tenko's family dug their own graves by not helping him.
@@dejonaiburton5284”realised it”? Only when the damage had long since been done. Seriously this f*cker reminds me way too much of Endeavour, the only difference being his family are stronger despite him, he failed to break them and they will be happier once he’s dead. Just a shame the poor dog and sister had to die for Shigaraki to get rid of his sh-thead father 😒😒😒
@@kidprime6863 Even if they helped him it that wouldn't have changed a single thing. His alter would still have appeared out of nowhere. And this kid was fundamentally broken since in the manga he says he was kinda aware of what was going this night on but still intentionally killed them all out of pure hatred. That's not a normal kid's behavior, some people are just like that : born to destroy
@@JoJoboiWav I hear ya. But that doesn't excuse the fact that they did nothing but stand by and watch out of fear of getting beaten themselves. It's that kind of inaction and cowardice that can create villains.
It’s sad really. Nana Shimura was just trying to protect her son. But in the end she ended up causing something much worse.
I mean, she didn't expect his son to become such a petty bastard
"I'm leaving you so that you can live a life without the danger of getting killed"
"Live life and become an asshole who can't get over his issues, got it"
@@Dafreshcutso much that her own grandson blame her instead of his father. Cuz the man refuse to grow up and and do his job of being a father
@@Dafreshcutthe saddest thing is the very thing shimura tried to prevent by disappearing, happened to tenko later
@@nickjaxon1317 Real. Kotaro has only himself to blame for what he has become, and is entirely responsible for his actions.
"All it takes is one bad day"
-Joker
@@SlayGangster-pj9rs James Gordon proved otherwise
Cringe
@@noneofthiseverhappened
okay...
Accurate
Inaccurate to the video
And I thought endeavour was worse father, this guy takes it to a whole other level
Trust me Endeavor is still a bad father have you read the Manga
He's way worse than endeavor unlike him he doesn't have a character development!
@@santinobos345 if you look into Endeavors backstory trust me he's in the same level as shigaraki father
@@animezilla4486 well atleast he didnt hit his son out of anger instead he was stressed by the fact he hept on getting burnt and when he died his brain just died and went full out on todoroki
@@hiimjoe6768 yeah but everytime Dabi snuck out the house to practice his quirk Endeavor blame his wife even start hitting her. At the beginning it was revealed the only reason Endeavor wanted a child was to surpass all might which was pretty messed up
People aren't born as a hero or villain
They become what life and people around them lead them to become
All it takes is one bad day
Exactly. There’s way more grey out there than black or white.
Then what about guts from berserk. The things that happened to him will break anyone but he only became an edgy anti hero not a villain
This is not a choice. That quirk is a genocidal weapon, and he has to die. Sadly is not his fault, but theres no redemption for him. Even if he had been "good", he would not have been allowed to live a normal life, or a heroic one. They would have him held, guarded until he made a mistake. His quirk is like having a walking atomic bomb living next door.
Lies. Shigaraki was a villain from the start, just like his pos dad
The anime did this scene perfectly!
Does it make up for the part when he decayed a whole group of people?
@@g1keitorin765 not as gruesome as in the manga to be honest, but they did great!
i dont think anything could convey the full amazing horror of the manga chapters. however, the anime did it as best they could, and didnt censor it much
no shit the beginning part looked like a fan animation
They left out “a man in a suit” bringing Shiggy home. My only gripe since it would obviously be a payoff later.
This episode just made me cry today what he went through was terrible😭😭
Same! I felt so bad for him! At least the mom still loved him and wanted to help him after what she witnessed, but it was so devastating to see them all die! That would traumatize anyone, especially a 5 year old. For me the worst part was the dog’s death and how much I related to Tenko. I lived in an abusive household for years and when I was eleven, I remember looking at the people who were passive and did nothing to stop the abusive and thinking those same words, “I hate them all.” For me, that was the most disturbing part of the episode. Even though I didn’t become a mess murderer, it’s still disturbing!
I only cried at the part of the dog😂😂
I JUST watched it finally after all this time and I need a moment. I'm sitting tried NOT to cry my eyes out😭
Same I don’t feel bad for him at all I just care about the dog 😭
@@spacekitty6568i see we have both stumbled upon this video after watching this specific part of the anime in this specific area in time
This flashback was so devastating and amazingly done! His sister was really pretty and she looked so much like Nana! Even though she was a snitch who betrayed him, its still a shame the brother/sister superhero team never happened! I think besides Tenko, the mom suffered the most because she was married to an abuser, watched him hurt her son, tried to stop him, but couldn’t, wasn’t able to stop her son’s suffering, then she watched her daughter die, then was murdered by her own son. It’s so tragic because this episode made his desire to be a hero so similar to Deku, that it’s easy to imagine an alternate timeline where he became a hero and didn’t kill his family. The dad did try to kill him after what he did (even though it was clearly an accident since he was 5, and the kid was clearly traumatized), but the mom, to her credit, seemed like she wanted to help Tenko when she reached out to him, even after what she witnessed. The worst part was the dog’s death. No one can change my mind. For me, the most disturbing part was the fact that I related to Tenko when he said he hated them all. I lived in an abusive household for years and was surrounded by people who were passive like his mom and grandparents and I remember thinking to myself on one of the worst nights that I hated everyone in my family. The fact that I related to Tenko so much is what scares me the most.
Of course it didn’t happen, she was a child and in a ab4s1v3 household, she obviously wouldn’t have kept it a secret if she could have possibly been in danger.
Dog's death, really
I agree 100% No matter how bad your child hood you should never do the same to your kids you should know better.
She wasn't a snitch tbh, just naive. But Tenko didn't realize that, he just assumed everyone hated him thus prompted Tenko to develop hatred towards his family, especially his dad.
@@LermaBean just bc he assumed his family hated him doesn’t justify his dad beating him.
"I didn't itch anymore"
Sounds satisfying out of context
At 0:53, I just cant stand it when his father starts holding him while he scratching his head. Its really a sad thing to see it 😭😭
What kind of a father would grab there child like that
I love scenes like this where misunderstandings and hurt feelings add up and emotions boil over to create a sudden accidental tragedy. Happens in real life too but usually with weapons
Well for toga it was with a knike
@@ramthiangachhangte3594With her was with a Fake Mask and then the knife
[PD: The concept that she was always wearing a fake mask just to hide her true self](Which it wasn't a good or bad thing)
Seriously, Shigaraki's origin story is so incredibly sad. And then to find out about the hands he wears....OMG. I was so devastated and sad for him on so many levels. And then to be taught to give in to his hatred and anger and to see what he is now....man. He is a great villain, but this back story.....so so sad.
As Master Oogway said “One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it.” Nana tried to save her son by giving him up, but she inadvertently turned him into a cruel person and in turn created a broken monster.
Let's say she saved her son from All for One, but she didn't save him from himself.
@Pedro Ortega It's not Nana's fault. Kotaro is the only one to blame. He could hate his mother but still live a happy life. But instead he chose to wallow in hate and allow that hate to taint every aspect of his life.
@@lpallad1 Well i mean Kotaro SHOULDNT have went down such a dark path but being abandoned by ur parent at such a young age and seeing them save strangers and couldn't even raise u is not a good look. Hes clearly fucked in the head and Nana is a big reason why. Ofc she had her circumstances but even if her reasoning is off good intentions, it was still a cruel act. Evil is sometimes built off good intentions
@@wymg4480 But Kotaro understands perfectly well that his mother loved him and left him alone to protect him. But he also complained about this. Nana's only fault is that she overestimated her son.
@@lpallad1 Overestimated her son? the boy was like 10. throwing ur child away to foster care and getting rid of any relation to them no matter the circumstances will leave them with an emotional scar. No matter how mcuh she tells him "i love u" it isnt enough to fill that hole. Im not saying she made a bad move since it was for the good of her family. But the ending result was inevitable. Kotaro was left with the thought that his own mother chose to save strangers over taking care of him. Its similar to the train track psychology question. Imagine kotaro being on one end of the tracks and then a bunch of innocent civilians on the other. In Kotaros mind, his mother sacrificed him, her own son and closest kin, to save the many. Obviously from a collective and objective perspective she made the correct choice. She succeded as a hero. But she failed as a mother. And now he failed as a father that pushed shigaraki to his breaking point.
What is so sad is that the most dangerous villains in MHA are the ones who were abused by the people who were supposed to protect them and love the most (Shigaraki and Dabi)
That’s why MHA beats other new gen shonen IMO.
AFO: 🗿
Endeavour did try protect Dabi, but he didn't care he rather burn himself to a crisp.
@@Temujin18S It is true. Endeavor did almost nothing to Dabi. he is the one who has always been an obsessive madman deep down.
@@Temujin18S true but he did neglect him and the two other children to focus more on Todoroki. Neglect can be just as bad 😭
Ok so my guy Kotaro is one of the biggest hypocrites I ever saw. He says that heroes are bad because in order to save strangers then they have to hurt their families…but he goes and does the same thing to his own family?! I’m sorry, but what the HELL do you call that?!?
bad parenting
Being delusional
The dad had it coming
That happens in real life all the time though, despising your parents and then raising your kids the same way they raised you
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE! - Gintoki Sakata
”deku wished he had a quirk”
”Shigiraki wished he didn't have one”
I read somewhere that Shigaraki was quirkless and AFO is the one who gave him the quirk because he wanted to destroy the legacy of All might's predecessor. It's in the manga or smth
Talk about a dark reflection
@@Athenabadassinthearenathat's a fan theory, it isn't a thing
@@user-qx1id1dt8x oh sorry
@@AthenabadassinthearenaMore precisely AFO After birth Tenko stole his quirk that allowed him to create and destroy (much like Chisaki) and then gave him back his quirk that only allowed him to destroy
I don't feel bad for Kotaro.
I understand why he turned out this way and there is a small part of me that feels a little sympathy, especially if he saw Nana continuing her job as a hero after leaving him, but he chose to abuse Tenko and people like him are the worst.
I think he's well written but I'll never like him as a person.
Same
Overhaul is also well-written, but of course I hate him for what he did to Eri
Not talkinf anout heroes equals abuse? The kid had every chance to be obedient eat his dinners play with his non hero toys but nah let's murder the whole fam instead completely unjustly. State of society today to excuse murder over a tiny amount of hardship his life was breezy mf.
I was the happiest seeing him get turned to mush, no sympathy for abussive behavior, especially towards family. Yes, he lived a difficult life, and yet he learned nothing of it. Instead of giving his family the life he wished he had, he gave them a life full of trauma. So no, Kotaro had it coming.
@@DafreshcutKotaro did everything he did to his family because deep inside, he was no true man at all. Deep inside, he truly was an immature, selfish, and possessive little kid who chose not to grow up and was simply throwing a temper tantrum all because he didn’t get what he wanted just like any other spoiled-rotten little brat would.
Also now that I think about it since you brought this up, it makes me wonder how many other lives Kotaro has ruined since he’s a businessman from what I know. How many innocent people besides his own family has he potentially targeted and has made to be miserable and would he continue to do the same to even more people if he were still alive?
Bro’s “SHINEI!” WAS PERSONAL
Deadass
The anime unfortunately cut a possible future reveal from the manga. In the chapter of this flashback, we opened with Tenko's mom apologizing to a mystery man who brought Tenko home. We don't see his face, but his physique suspiciously resembles AFO which makes it almost certain that AFO gave Decay to Tenko to jumpstart the tragedy and the prick might have had a hand in nobody trying to check on the family despite the Shimura house becoming a crater and no hero coming to check on Tenko in a busy street. While it doesn't change the facts that Kotarou was a shit dad and the hero society is heavily flawed, AFO also took away the chance of little Tenko getting a better life as his mom was starting to put her feet down and ready to divorce his father. Something that Shouto's mom couldn't do after four children and being pushed to her limits. There was a chance! Shimura Tenko could have had a more well adjusted childhood. He could have become a hero with his sister. Maybe Kotaro could have had gotten his act together too. But AFO is petty enough that he would twist Nana's family to besmirch her lineage as revenge.
Yeah
oh wow
The bad part is kotaro was realizing he was going too far and went outside to apologize to tenko,if afo didn't intervene here then things would have been so different
Contrary to popular doctrine: the reality is that the parent life isn't truly cut out for everyone.
That was so crazy!! I'm sorry for his mom sister and dog! :(
I feel like everyone in his family is at fault for making the thanos of anime
It’s a lesson to those who would be passive and not try to stop abuse when they see it. Sadly, they are many people who are aware of abusive situations and don’t do anything to stop it.
@@briannalee1998 What do you expect? It’s a ab4s1v3 household, the f4th3r was someone whom was considered the leader of the household, of course the literal child and m0th3r wouldn’t do anything, that’s frightening to witness your own h4sb4nd/f4th3r do such a thing. The s1st3r(not sure if that’s a tr//eR)was a realistic child. (Censored for tr//eR purposes.)
@@arandomladywithabadsleepsc1748 uhm I don’t think saying father or sister would trigger much deep memories with such overwhelming emotions... but ty for at least saving the sensitive. (Sorry I don’t speak English)
who kills their family for this stupid reason.
no he made himself the thanos of anime he chose to start killing random people
Ok. His power came out due to emotions. But even with his dad he didnt want to kill him. He instinctively protected himself the moment his dad hit him with a cane. He didnt even try to kill the sis he thought it was another person’s attack not his😭that’s sad af...
nah, he was fully intent on killing the dad
He literally told his dad to die, he had clear intentions of killing his dad.
Bruh his dad was the ONLY one he wanted to kill. The rest, he fucked it up
He did want to kill his father. And tbh, I can't blame for that.
He literally says he wanted to kill his dad then screams "diiieeee"
This so so messed up but satisfying
What’s satisfying about it?
@@g1keitorin765 the father's way of upbringing which backfired on him
@@lipton3120 lol
One of the few characters that looks like his dad and not his mom
Pfft HAHAHA yes
Yeah in real life sons are more likely to resemble their fathers as the Y chromosome stays near identical. It takes a number of generational jumps and cellular division before things get dramatically different. X chromosomes tend to mutate quicker on the other hand.
@@prismod8509
True, but one of my bros looks more like my mom than my dad and my second bro looks like my dad rather than my mom in that order
Bro when he used decay on the dog, i never cried so hard on my life
i cried so hard the dog part got me😭
Poor baby was so abused and hugging the dog so tight
He didn't even know he was using the quirk 😭😭😭
Who cares about the dumb dog when he accidentally killed his whole family including his sister???
I knew it was coming but the scene still managed to punch me in the gut. :/ Poor baby.
@@ThePaganSunwho cares about fictional humans ? for some reason, a dog dying is way more emotional
I’ll be honest, Tomura wasn’t wrong when he thought his family should’ve stepped in and stopped the abuse (that he received from his father).
Instead of just standing by, watching it happen and making excuses for his father.
If they all, done the right thing by helping and stopping the abuse, most likely Tomura would never have become a villain.
Whoever thought MHA will go onto some AOT levels of dark
The scene were he decays his dog, and he just stands there, physically unable to get any words out.... damn
Ya know, whoever did the music in this scene is godsend. It’s a masterpiece. You can easily understand the sentiments they’re trying to deliver, I could feel the dizzying sensation as Shigaraki willingly killed his dad and lost his mind. 😢😢😢
Nana: I hope your life will be full of smiles.
Tomura: I think the fuck not
Lol he don't usually smile but his smile is so cute
@@ramthiangachhangte3594++++
Tenko : SHINEEEEE
Bakugo : ugh.. that 's my line
To defeat your enemy you must understand them, there's not just evil beyond what you see
Shigaraki's father is such a pathetic man. He may have been a kid at that time but it should have been obvious that his mother was giving him away to protect from the horrible people she is fighting against that comes with the profession of a hero. She even left a note explaining her reason and showing that she still loved him for heaven's sake, but it seems he never had the mind to actually read it!
Despite all those years he has never grown or moved on from it and instead created a household where his family are under his 'rules' and oppression, which is probably why shigaraki's family never stood up against his father, for they too feared him. And instead of trying to talk to his son and show him why he believes that heroes are monsters and is a path of suffering, instead he beat him and leaves him outside to rot despite his allergies. Even when he is inside his allergies go crazy around his father. His father has embedded so much fear within him that he is under a lot of stress for just being within his presence.
Shigaraki's father deserved what was coming to him, he practically dug his own graves and refused to see the error of his ways and take account for his mistakes. Shigaraki's family did failed him for never really being there for him, but they were under fear and oppression as well, if things were different, they will probably be there for him ever more. They were even starting to finally stand up for him, but it took so long for them to build the courage, and it was far too late.
maybe his quirk decay was caused because his father's decay of his humanity.
His wife could have just left him
@@luis1237 Yeah, an act she should of done a long time ago, but she might've probably been psychologically abused by her husband due to the fear, oppression, and rules that he has established in his household and how aggressive he is to his whole family.
Her husband even refuses to listen to her.
What in the actual heck are you on about? Are you for real? Kotaro clearly wasn't some psychopath. He clearly loved his family but let the trauma get to him. Yelling at your kid after they do something they were specifically told not to do is NORMAL. Slapping him was when he went too far, but he obviously felt regret right away and was willing to apologize. It was clearly a one time thing that had not happened previously.
His biggest crime was literally being a overally strict and slapping his kid the one time he let his trauma get the best of him. I can't fanthom how out of touch you must be to think he's had it coming. He definitely didn't deserve having his entire family and himself murdered by his youngest son christ.
@@VG_164
"Scolding" your child is normal, but from what I have heard, the way a parent approaches or delivers said scolding defines who they are as a parent and how they affect the well-being of their own children and family. It is clearly hinted in several scenes that Kotaro has punished Shigaraki on several occasions, and each scene shows how much he has been traumatizing his own son, as evident where his allergies grow ever worse and seemingly "flare up" the moment Kotaro slapped him. Shigarki himself said "I Itch when I'm at home" in one scene, if his allergies are indeed caused by stress, then it is evident that Kotaro's established household was a stressful environment for his own son.
It is even hinted that Kotaro himself has never properly explained why he doesn't want his son nor his own family to talk about or even associate with heroes at all. Kotaro believed that these punishments were going to be how he will teach his son to reject heroes, and because of this, Shigaraki doesn't know the true reason why his own father has been hurting him, to the point of believing that his own father hates him.
In my point of view, this demonstrated how Kotaro's trauma practically defined him, for who he was as a person to his own family and as a father. I saw a household built upon rules, oppression, and fear, that clearly wasn't a positive environment nor the "Happy Family" that Kotaro desired, as stated by his own wife.
In that very scene where Kotaro slapped his own son, his entire family watched and were too scared to do anything, his own wife begged him to stop, his own daughter pinning the blame on her brother out of fear of being punished while crying and clinging to her mother. If that wasn't evident of a abusive household run by controlling sociopath who believed what he is doing right for his family without considering how it will affect them? Then what is!
Of course, Kotaro did felt regret after hitting his own son, but we were never shown any regret from him when he emotionally traumatized his own son all those previous times he punished him.
The very moment Kotaro said "It would've been better if you just hated me", after reading the letter left by her mom, he lost whatever sympathy I had left for him. At that moment, he was nothing but a selfish sociopath in my eyes, that couldn't let go of the past and was willing to harm the very family he desired so he wouldn't have to face it again. If that was the author's intention to sympathize with Shigaraki as a character, then he succeeded, to the point that some would've almost cheered for him when he finally destroyed the very man that was supposed to be his father, yet striped his innocence away and unleashed the spark of hatred that would turn into an inferno, and engulf all of society. Which is what makes it ever more tragic when Shigaraki slaughtered his entire family, even his own mother that tried to reach him. It almost makes you think of what could've been.
Kotaru was truly the worst father that he abused his own son just from the word "Hero"... he didn't just indirectly doomed The whole Hero Society, but his son became the feared Villain because of him.
How can Kotaru himself wanted a happy family but he clearly was blinded by unbridle hate towards Heroes including his own mother Nana... truly a horrible father he was but he never realize that he went too far just to proved his point towards Heroes.
And there I thought Endeavour was the one who mistreated Shōto Todoroki, but Kotarō? Is even worse.
Endeavour can at the very least admit that what he did was wrong, but this asshole refused to admit it’s his fault that Tenko went from a sweet and caring boy to a villain
This is my favorite MHA backstory so far
Does anyone else think that Dr. Ojako intentionally gave Tomura/Tenko the Decay quirk so that he would accidentally kill his family in order to drive him closer to All for One?
Otherwise it'd be a very strange coincidence for Tomura to be born with a very destructive quirk that would allow for One for All to manipulate him into joining his side
You were 100 percent roghtthe doc actually altered shigarakis quirk to only destroy without a deactivation
Spoilers
AFO was Kotaro's "family friend" and pretty much orchestrated whole thing. He recommended Kotaro to have another kid because his daughter was already too far to twist to the dark side. AFO took Tenko's original quirk factor before it could manifest. There was 1 panel in the manga where Old man in a suit walked Tenko home which was not included in the anime. It was important scene because in that moment when AFO held Tenko's hand, he gave "quirk which originally had properties to dismantle and reassemble material, and took away reassemble factor" and you get where this is going
If you had a terrible past where your mom left you for doing the right thing, don't take it out on someone who didn't deserve to be treated that way. I understand that his dad was angry that his mom left him to save him but there is no need to take it out on your own son. In the end that anger and hatred ended up turning his son into a villain!
Already. Kotaro could be happy even without forgiving his mother. He, on the other hand, hates all heroes in general because he condemns everyone for the sins of one. And in the end he takes out that hatred on those who have nothing to do with it. So what he did is unjustifiable in every sense.
Seriously though, that SHINEEE! made me think kid bakugou was in the scene somewhere
Hell yeah!
2:39, the best part ever.
when he hold his dog and cried i started crying.. i miss my dog 😭😭
As a kid you want to be the hero is an adult you understand the Villan tomura shigaraki is so relatable in real life situations most of us want to harm people but are reframed by sanity
Imagine holding your dog for comfort only for your them to decay in your hands and become a blood puddle
Thankfully deku saved kota so he didn’t become kotaro who hated heroes for saving a stranger in the end as a sacrifice
Honestly shigarakis backstory made me read the manga back then. They didnt need to go this hard with a child that gets hit at home....but they did.
Showed me that this is not just another fights over the top and flashy as fuck shonen manga, but the story actually has debt and shows the Part of reality that gets blended out in these types of stories --> fight scenes are cool < violence actually isn't.
He took his son's dream so seriously and personally. I mean he is just a child, his dream prospects can still change. I don't remember how many times my dream changes when I was a child. Also I feel like his quirk was given to him by AFO.
congrats you successfully stopped him from becoming a hero, but there's a catch, hes a super deadly villain
This scene should also be a reminder to those who abuse their kids. Even if you harm them, their bodies will heal, but their minds, forever tarnished to the point they will kill you. Even if you're prepared, you'll never be prepared for when they end you, and you'll have no one to blame but yourselves.
It was the father's own fault that Tenko became a Villain all because of his own hate towards heroes like his mother Nana, Kotaru had a family he wanted but instead letting hate clouded his own safety linked out to All for One... what's worse Kotaru indirectly cause his son into Villainy but in fact he acted like a villain himself but he never realize it or seeing the way he acted until he was murdered by his own son.
Wow, this dude made Endeavor look like a saint. And to think this is what Izuku would have been if he gave in his dream...
Or what Kota would have been if Midoriya didn't save him ← that is only if Muscular attacked. If Muscular doesn't attack. Then that was how Kota would have been if his hatred continued to grow.
You want to know one of the most common factors in serial killers? Its that they were abused as children. Most people arent born bad but are shaped by the cruelities of life. Some push through others break and lash out the only way they know how.
This is what made shigaraki my favorite character.
1:19 he looks like Doofenshmirtz!!
His backstory is Heartbreaking 💔🥺
When i read this in the manga seeing his mother not care in how much pain she is or the fact she will die broke my heart she saw the pain in her son’s eyes and still dove into death
What could he do? Or that or let All for one kill her son. Kotaro simply didn't deserve the life his mother gave him.
This is absolutely spectacular, I’m a fan of MHA, and have been since 2019, and season 5 impressed me, the first part was generally slow and there as no new antagonist introduced or prior antagonist character developments, but from episode 18-25 the story exceeded my expectations, this father may seem horrible, but genuinely speaking I understand why he forced his son to quit his dreams, because his father experienced a harsh reality to what a hero actually is, and doesn’t want his son to experience the same fate and be a man that leaves his family, and I just disagreed with the abuse, but the abuse was more of a sense of scolding, until His father actually hit him with a stick in self defense but that’s because he saw his loved ones die from his sons hands.
The show was honestly average until this backstory Arc at the end of s5 and it got even better from s6 right off the bat until the finale. It’s now honestly one of my fav shows. This backstory is one of the best you’ll see in any media
No however. Kotaro didn't want to protect his son. He simply hates heroes because he is an immature selfish person who condemns everyone for the sins of a few, and in fact instead of talking about the fact that his mother, due to her work as a hero, had had to make difficult and painful choices that led to her death, he imposed himself on his family with hatred, violence, and fear, insulting the memory of his mother. Kotaro constantly wallows in hatred and takes it out on those in his sights every chance he gets. He only knew how to complain about what he didn't have instead of appreciating what he did have. And that's because he's a selfish coward who doesn't understand that you can't have everything in life.
They all just loved their families. What a sad ending…😭
I just notice Kotaro is like an adult version of Boruto.
How? Not denying your statement just curious
Forget Boruto! What about Kota?! Imagine if that kid never met Deku, he likely would have turned out just like Kotaro.
@@steffondoyle8071 Exactly
lmao how
@@forme7078 Boruto hated for a time his dad for being busy and at work all time. This is exactly the same thing here because Kotaro don’t want Tenko to go like his mother being busy and who didn’t give attention to her dear people.
How to make a charecter
Is a pure
Silly
Want to be happy
Horikoshi: give then a tragic traumatic and unfixeblea past
This is super crazy to hear this, but... some of the villains came from their past-trauma.
I just wanna hug himmmm😭😭😭
But he will kill me :,)-
Villains are not born,They are created.
In my opinion, i think everyone in shigaraki family all have their own mistakes.
First, Nana abandoned Kotaro to protect him from the AFO, causing Kotaro to grow up and become a family father who doesn't listen to others and is always harsh with his own children (beating Shigaraki while saying that the hero would do hurt your family). Kotaro does not appreciate his happy life (a good wife, 2 good children, perfect parents-in-law) but instead only focuses on what he does not have. But if asked whether he deserved to be killed or not, my answer would be 50/50 (not worthy of being killed because he regretted beating shigaraki, and worthy of being killed because he was beat Shigaraki with an iron rod).
Shigaraki's mother and his grandparents were only wrong because they did not stand up strongly and always spoke up for Kotaro even though they knew he was wrong (but in my opinion this is just a small mistake and it can be overlooked).
Shigaraki's sister was also wrong because she confessed that Shigaraki saw Nana's photo even though they promised to become heroes together (this isn't even considered a mistake because she was so young).
As for Shigaraki, he is a child with psychological problems (as evidenced by the constant scratching of his eyes), he was restrained by his father for a long time (although it was not physically abusive, it is still psychological abuse). Things got worse when Shigaraki's father beat him because of his childhood obsession (it was even shown that Shigaraki's father was someone who refused to grow up to become a father). ). If Shigaraki was just a normal child, everything would be fine, the father just needs to apologize and not do it again, but Shigaraki has extremely dangerous abilities, he accidentally killed his dog, his sister and his mother and grandparents unintentionally, and while his mother ran towards him despite the fact that she had seen Shigaraki accidentally kill her daughter and that she herself would die, Then his father beat him with an iron rod, causing Shigaraki emotions to explode.
This is a tragedy of a family, no one is completely innocent, although the fault lies mostly with the father Kotaro (because he is a coward who does not know how to appreciate what he has, existing, selfish and only thinking about himself, brutally disregarding his wife and children, beating his children just because of his past). As for Shigaraki, he was initially innocent, but just because he had such a terrifying ability and mental instability, the shock of personally killing his own relatives, he needed someone to blame and Kotaro was the one. Ironically that Nana left her child to protect him from the AFO but created something even more terrible later.
Remember, you are never born Hero or a Villain
You are manufactured into one
Tomura's dad should have laughed for what he has created when dying.
Villains arent born... they are made
"When i touched my father i didn't itch anymore" that part was so hard for me i even cried.
The poor dog dude
It didn't know what was happening and tomura didn't mean it either but he definitely meant to kill his dad for what he went through
I feel you brother,i wish the dog would've escaped,he had no fault in all of this,that scene will haunt me for a while
It's actually sad because all of the villains originally wanted to be heroes.
Well that's how shigaraki became a villain because of his quirk
No his father abused him
No. He had a terrible childhood. A Quirk does not define your path.
@@ChaldeaWarmaster If this quirk didn't exist he wouldn't have slaughered his whole family and things wouldn't have changed that's because of his quirk
Maybe if shigaraki was loved, his quirk would deteriorate things slowly.
And as a hero he would need to overcome the fear of hurting others.
I still honestly feel bad for him, even though he’s evil
Yeah, I've got such feels to all members of League if Villains. Most of them are victims of valid society system, kids whose didn't get proper help before they're reach their limit.
Society may bring people down, but the final decision at the climax of that one bad day is up to the victim. Do they hold themselves together or do they inflict their pain onto others? In the end they all made their choice to become criminals and they’ve all dug themselves too deep for redemption. The only justice then is prison without parole.
Who blames him for being evil?
His shitty dad had to bring him to a path of revenge
Kotaro had it coming to be honest and poor Tenko, he deserves so much better. 💔😭
If only Naruto's lecturing skills would reach Tenko...
The persona that Tenko should blame for his pain is his Grandma and Father
So Tenko's quirk is basically the opposite of Eri's.
He speeds up living organism's aging process to a level that the organism he touches turns to ash/dust (but it doesn't seem to affect bodily liquids, only tissue)
..while Eri turns the aging/development process backwards even up to a point where the organism stops existing.
If Shigaraki and Eri had a child, what would his/her quirk be, I wonder?
One hand (one side of body) destroys by super-speeding aging while the other one restores an organism to earlier state?
That would be wild...
ERI IS A GODDAMN CHILD
@@absolutemadlad5662
YES BUT TIME FLOWS FORWARD IN MHA AND CHARACTERS AGE, SO
one day Eri will be young woman and not 7yo child.
My point was that IF Shigaraki's body and mind was rewinded (by Eri, obviously ...heh) to the age before his quirk activated and he was mentally trained to understand and bare the burden of quirk that decomposes organic matter, he could one day marry Eri and their kid would have REALLY INTERESTING QUIRK.
Like mini version of the Scar guy from "Fullmetal Alchemist" but without scars and tattoos :-D
@@StarlingKnight something meaningless like that doesn’t need to happen outta nowhere because of mere curiosity isn’t necessary though. We can fantasise what it’d be like if people with such quirks have a child and what the child’s quirk will be like, maybe leave these two alone haha
Your creepy asf. Shigaraki and Eri having a child ? I doubt your a normal guy in the real world.
Fr man
Me: *Before* "So, this guy was just naturally insane?"
Me: *After backstory* "OK, so the DAD drove Shigaraki insane then... makes sense, since this would distort your perception of what a hero and villain is"
Society* as a whole, not just his dad
@@leeleelee4758what did society do tf, it was his family's fault entirely. The father was the most responsible but others didn't protect him either
@@Athenabadassinthearena Hello? They literally turned a blind eye on a wandering lost child when he needed a helping hand the most and deceived him with sweet lies, all because of his appearance (oh no he looks bloody and messed up let's ignore and leave a 5 years old child alone in the middle of the streets). And that's not all, they even blatantly lied to him by saying eventually someone will, police will, a hero will save him while pushing away their basic responsibilities to help someone in need of saving thanks to their complacency and self interestedness, in the end, not a single hero was there to save him, but ironically the worst big bad of all time reached out to him of all people. Don't you see the issue here? Why are you oversimplifying his backstory and narrowing down to JUST his family when it's the combination and culmination of everything?
@@leeleelee4758 Yeah. Everyone abandoned him. They said the police or heroes would come to save him, but it doesn't change that they could have called them instead of assuming they'd figure it out on their own.
Just like what people said,
Villains are not born,
They are made.
Villains can also be born too.
That's true.
This was the first time in a long time I straight up bawled over an anime. As a dog lover, the part with the dog broke me.
My mother (who's a huge anime junkie) asked if I were okay, and told her that I caught up and watched the Shigaraki flashback episode. She immediately understood why my eyes were red, hehe.
Without a doubt the darkest moment of the entire series and they did not shy away from the violence
Endeavor was just as bad. Shigaraki's problem was that no one could understand his quirk and he had no guidance. That's why he feel such hate towards the society, because they never helped him even though it was not his fault he couldn't control his quirk.
Endeavor was a Hero, that's why he raised Todoroki to be a good person to the society, even though he was also a violent parent. Shoto wouldn't become a villian because society always supported his ideals and his powers were not seen as a curse.
Meanwhile Tenko was abandoned by society after this because his quirk was dangerous and because no one tried to save him.
Endeavor was a bad dad but def can't be compared to shigarakis dad
So it's like Tenko is a shadow version of Shotō Todoroki
@@TheLatiosnlatias02 No however. Shoto was emotionally strong, and his childhood was not as terrible as Shigaraki's, because Shoto was not abused out of cruelty or hatred, but only as part of training. And even if he has real problems, it doesn't change that only Dabi became a criminal, but he was already crazy before that. Endeavor's other children also grew up with a normal mentality. Tenko, on the other hand, was a sweet and sensitive child, and therefore for this reason he was emotionally vulnerable to his father's cruelty. And her sister was a liar and a coward, because she lied to her father about her real intentions, and she also lied to him to save herself from what he would have done with her if she had known that she was involved too. So the whole family was oppressed and subjugated by Kotaro. However, this was not the case for Endeavor. None of them were that lax about what he did.
@@lpallad1
You really nailed it.
Its the absolute peak of art and a legendary story
This made me a shigaraki fan
To this day in 2024, it still always makes my heart break..
I can't believe that Shigaraki could've became a hero
Idk man a hero with the decay quirk how would he fight without killing people?
@@Uknown76 he can control the decay. He could harmlessly remove a cities worth of rubble in seconds and recover everyone
@@StridersBored ah I see so he just didn't have control of decay when he was still a kid?
@@Uknown76 no one does as a kid, especially when it manifests. It didn’t help that emotions can affect quirks and shigaraki was surrounded by nothing but contempt and fear
@@StridersBored makes sense to me
sometimes a villain didn't want to become one, they never do, they were driven and forced to be one, by someone or something, they never wanted to be one...
After Naruto, shigaraki has the saddest childhood. Yes sasuke’s childhood was tragic but shigaraki literally killed his whole house unintentionally.
Mostly, he was pretty willing with his dad
NOOOO too sad. He deserved better. I mean from a small age he was groomed, brainwashed and manipulated to hating on the world and forced to wear the limbs of his dead family. It’s too much to blame him at this point. Deku is right it would be wrong to kill him
It's impressive how Tenko turned into such a monster, and he has no chance of changing his mind, he's going to keep going until everyone is dead
Congratulations Kotaro, you doomed us all
TV Tropes call people like him an “Unwitting Instigator of Doom”
it's even sadder knowing this quirk was actually meant to restore instead of destroying
Both actually
Damn america heard that slap
Bro’s dad is like endeavor but he’s not a hero and less muscular
I always supported him without even knowing why I did
This scene broke me. Of all villains, this one deserves redemption
As a shigaraki fan, no. He is long gone and beyond saving. He’s the best villain of the last decade in anime, but he’s killed far too many as an adult. I would love to see him win at the end but we know in shonen and most media they never do
@@Oakland510 But it doesn't change that even if he has wrong, the reasons that led him to do what he did are understandable. He wants to destroy everything because he only sees the worst in everything and everyone and he thinks that no one deserves to live or exist.
I hate to say this, but while Kotaro shoulders a great burden of Tenko losing his mind, Nana is also guilty in part. Leaving her son in foster care to protect him is absolutely ridiculous, sure it may have been with good intent, but you have to imagine how Kotaro would have felt being abandoned by his mother (also a note explaining her actions would mean jack shit to him since he probably thought she could be lying). There’s a saying and it goes “the pathway to hell is paved with good intentions”
He loved his mother enough to keep her photo and last note around though. If he didn’t keep that photo, his children would have never known
But All For One had already murdered Nana Shimura's husband. If Kotaro had stayed with Nana, it would have been that much easier for All For One to track him down and kill him, too.
Even though she left him that note later they show that despite this she didn't leave without saying goodbye to him in person. And Kotaro KNOWS that the words in that note were sincere. And that shows how rotten he is. By stating that he would have preferred her to hate him, he shows that knowing that her mother loved him despite everything, and that she had gone against her will, for him, instead of being a consolation, is only a reason for further hatred. So the problem is entirely with him, not with his mother.
But he shouldn’t have taken his frustrations and hatred of heroes out on Tenko
This is the darkest backstory I ever saw